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GR A LINES 1-6 13-18 25-30
GR B LINES 7-12 19-24 31-36
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1-2-3
5-8-13 recovery B2B wins OR Till +
BR 100
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Target 20%. Keep your target/goals simple , let the BR build steady
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Whats the exact bet selection here?
Quote from: Willie on Nov 28, 09:04 PM 2016
Whats the exact bet selection here?
Willie
Simply betting against a three line repeat
So
A B A .....your first bet is group B ..if win stop if loss your next bet is group A etc...
Away from my PC for most of today ,only on my mobile , will do more testing when I can
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BR 121. Carrying on from yesterday going to Compound daily
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Hi Roulettedevil,
Just want to thank you for posting this method. As you say: keep it simple. I do not want to tempt fate and call it the HG but I have back checked Dublinbet live spins over a period of 6 months and not found it wanting. I am using +1/-! (my fav. prog) and it is working out. (Not tried RNG)
I have glanced at betting against spin 3 previous every spin and it looks promising too but each to their own as they say.
Keep up the good (winning) work. :) :) :) I am liking this alot!!!
Good luck,
Brian
Brian
Thanks for the compliment, I really do believe in my streets systems I would never play RNG though I just don't trust them anymore, I once played bet voyager , and went from â,¬24 to over â,¬ 1200 playing a 3 in a bed system, the next day I nearly lost the lot, I smelt a rat and quickly withdrew my remaining money!!
Keep winning , just remember win a % then stop.
I'll keep testing but it has not failed using any spin data from various sources.
RD....a.k.a John
One question, when you write EV what do you mean with that?
Is that the evaluation 3 line that you bet against the next time?
Keep up the good work!
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on Nov 30, 10:15 AM 2016
One question, when you write EV what do you mean with that?
Is that the evaluation 3 line that you bet against the next time?
Keep up the good work!
- Tuddilue
Simply means even for that line, no loss, no gain.
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Nov 28, 12:43 PM 201631 A A B +3 118
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How much you bet per spin? Do you use any progression? I ask because you went from 118 to 100 in 3 bets and then back to 115 in 3 bets
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Nov 30, 12:24 PM 2016
How much you bet per spin? Do you use any progression? I ask because you went from 118 to 100 in 3 bets and then back to 115 in 3 bets
See first post for the progression i use
118 >100 i lost all 3 first bets 1-2-3 x3 =18
the next recovery step i won 5 +15
i would then drop back to 3, im always looking for b2b wins
Aha it's even, know I see thanks.
I wonder if you can write the units you are betting on in one example as well?
For example after the letter line:
A B A -1 -2 -3
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on Nov 30, 02:52 PM 2016
Aha it's even, know I see thanks.
I wonder if you can write the units you are betting on in one example as well?
For example after the letter line:
A B A -1 -2 -3
- Tuddilue
yes , i'll do that when i download tomorrows spins from Mortagon step by step
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Nov 30, 04:15 PM 2016
yes , i'll do that when i download tomorrows spins from Mortagon step by step
Good looking forward it!
Will start testing after that. So I understand the progression correctly.
I think I understand it but always good to see it in print.
- Tuddilue
Dragonara Casino
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Step by step guide
BR 145 Compound from yesterday
Target 20%
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Option here to either go back to 1-2-3 or attack for B2B wins
Let's attack
So my next bet is 3 units -1 on a win
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I've ignored the zero as I'd already won
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Attack or start
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Always play to your target Not beyond
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Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 01, 03:29 AM 2016
Dragonara Casino
Europe/Malta time (04:00 - 07:25)
Step by step guide
BR 145 Compound from yesterday
Target 20%
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17 B A B. First three ds against these
Using 1-2-3
OOps that should have been B A A not B A B
Didn't effect the result though
Thanks for the informative description. Now we sees the progression as well.
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on Dec 01, 03:59 AM 2016
Thanks for the informative description. Now we sees the progression as well.
- Tuddilue
Your very welcome
Obviously for LIVE wheels only , not for RNG ,why would you?
GR A LINES 1-6 13-18 25-30
GR B LINES 7-12 19-24 31-36
3 Line matrix
1-2-3
5-8-13 recovery B2B wins OR Till +
B2B = back 2 bets??
Thanks
Quote from: blueman on Dec 01, 05:38 AM 2016
GR A LINES 1-6 13-18 25-30
GR B LINES 7-12 19-24 31-36
3 Line matrix
1-2-3
5-8-13 recovery B2B wins OR Till +
If playing aggressive back 2 back wins ....or if conservative till new high
B2B = back 2 bets??
Thanks
Lol sorry forgot to reply
B2b means back 2 back wins if attacking,
+ new high if being a bit conservative
Today-BVNZ roulette
1 game win 20u/BR 100 (approximately 40 spins)
2 game win 20u/BR 100 (approximately 40 spins)
3 game loss 1-2-3/5-8-13 progresion (96u) (approximately 40 spins)
Roulettedevil, which system rather play : streets or lines?
google english, sorry!
Quote from: blueman on Dec 01, 11:29 AM 2016
Today-BVNZ roulette
1 game win 20u/BR 100 (approximately 40 spins)
2 game win 20u/BR 100 (approximately 40 spins)
3 game loss 1-2-3/5-8-13 progresion (96u) (approximately 40 spins)
Roulettedevil, which system rather play : streets or lines?
google english, sorry!
Hi
Sorry don't understand what your saying, did you play three games and lost the 3rd??
If so why didn't you stop after the first win game 1?
Any system fails if played too long!
Play for a % like I keep saying.......
Did you play live roulette or is the bet voyager????
Both streets and lines are equally good
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 01, 12:17 PM 2016
Hi
Sorry don't understand what your saying, did you play three games and lost the 3rd?? yes
If so why didn't you stop after the first win game 1? I'm 1 game - 10h today, 2 game 12h today, 3 game 16h today.
Any system fails if played too long! I know, this is a test - play money.
Play for a % like I keep saying.......
Did you play live roulette or is the bet voyager???? Betvoyager -RNG :lol:
Both streets and lines are equally good - perhaps better to play street?
Thanks!
Do NOT play RNG!! ...All my systems are tested daily with live spins,
Nice one Roulettedevil ;)
Pop'ed into my head that this strategy has a lot in common with the Grassroots dozen strategies & also uses some of the best tactics as well. In Grassroots we also bet against the last 3 hit dozen dont repeat in the next 3 dozen .. aka that dozen 1,2,3 just hit then we play against it hitting again, because 123123 happening is fairly uncommon. The logic behind selecting to bet against a pattern consisting of unique dozens .. like 123, 321, 231 and not repeated dozens like 112, 322, 111, 223 was a belief in that the wheel isnt fair short term .. aka to hit exactly 123123123 would be very "fair" or "matematically even over time" and would probably be the outcome the very first time if you where to program a very basic RNG yourself. However on a real wheel with with a dealer with sweaty hands, seeing a "perfect" 123123 should be uncommon to rare. Not that the wheel isnt "even" but it ususally happen more over longterm & rarely directly "in your face" shortterm.
Guerrilla tactics: however choosing the right pattern to bet on was discussed a lot. Like some swore to 312 & some to 123 and perhaps one was better on a US wheel & one on a EU wheel etc. In the end the idea to continually change the pattern between the 6 unique sets was also found working.
Your strategy: matching 3 lines into 2 sets & betting that the set changes made me think of a EC bet (aka like Red/black) at first, but then apply "the best of grassroots" by ordering in 3 set bets dosnt repeat in the next 3 continually (so its "Guerrilla" too) is quite brilliant. One of the drawbacks of grassroots is that its somewhat slow (waiting for a unique to happen) and costly (betting 2 dozens all the time for a small win) .. but as the "devils lines" is more EC like its a cheaper bet, higher winnings while being a faster game. Only downside (if you can call it that) i can see is that there is much less variation when only having Set A & Set B so betting against the previous 3 is more dangerous.
Ideas: Not really much i would chance & it clearly works as it is now. But if one where to be cheeky, one could suggest perhaps betting against the previous 4 or even 5 hit sets. This would require a higher more expensive progression of cause (but i guess it would still be cheaper than the grassroots scary expensive double dozen progression). Then again im a firm believer in sticking to tiny progression. Also i really cant see playing against a "unique" set of 3 has any meaning when the variation is little. Aka betting against ABA,ABA happening more than say BBB, BBB or AAB, AAB is probably pointless.
perhaps easier progression? Maybe Guetting?
Thunder Pants
I've used a longer line in the past 6 line in fact.
1-2-3-5-8
To be honest unless you change the MM it'd really no different.
The way the two groups are split means even if one particular dozen or high/low is dominant your chances of winning do not change, I'll keep testing as is at the moment will the moment come when it fails? Probably but until then let's keep it going
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BR 175. Compound from yesterday
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Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 02, 03:14 AM 2016
Thunder Pants
I've used a longer line in the past 6 line in fact.
1-2-3-5-8
To be honest unless you change the MM it'd really no different.
The way the two groups are split means even if one particular dozen or high/low is dominant your chances of winning do not change, I'll keep testing as is at the moment will the moment come when it fails? Probably but until then let's keep it going
Ah yes. I did wonder if there was a particular reason for choosing the lines in those set patterns. Always wondered if there is anything to gain from staying clear of the predetermined EC bets. Aka why dosnt the wheel have a simple Red & Black half, but instead is spread out in the pattern it is today. Not thinking of the potential cheat way of cause as having half a wheel being 1 colour would mean it would be much easier for people to predetermin ball exit both as a player or as a "dirty" dealer. What im think of is if it adds variation to the game, aka you often hear player say "aww did you see how it hit my number first but in the last second spun into the next number". That probably wouldnt happen if the wheel was simply parted in 2 halves. Thus is there a point in choosing your own "half" manually of the wheel as in this strategy we play against the same happening again. As the wheel is now the ball can hit any area of the wheel & get 20 Black in a row followed by 15 Red, because black & Red is all over the place, but if you choose your own half of the wheel i cant recall the dealer at my local wheel hitting the same half for 20 times in a row ever. Not saying it cant happen though. Anyways, your selection of lines make a lot of sense too & clearly works. And thankfully does take into account the quite scary sleeping/cold line/dozen too.
"death pattern": aka AAA, BBB, AAA, BBB or ABB, BAA, ABB, BAA etc. Probably will turn up in longterm play so its worth looking out for. That you havnt run into one yet is a good sign though. Of cause its hard to tell too and even if you run into a AAA, BBB who knows if skipping a bet would doom you instead of saving you instead.
You could always wait for two/three lines
I.e
A A B
A A B
A
For instance then play ,all my testing as been aggressive,so maybe a bit more conservative play would be advisable.
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Changed this from 3 line to 5 line
I think will produce better results
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oh nice session. Using 5 numbers in every set does look to be much better than 3. A little crazy that it never went beyond the 3rd bet in every line though. Still, probably was just luck as sooner or later the "killer pattern" does happen. However with 5 in a set it really should be quite rare so that the many smaller wins should outnumber a full loss.
Quote from: Thunder Pants on Dec 05, 06:13 PM 2016
oh nice session. Using 5 numbers in every set does look to be much better than 3. A little crazy that it never went beyond the 3rd bet in every line though. Still, probably was just luck as sooner or later the "killer pattern" does happen. However with 5 in a set it really should be quite rare so that the many smaller wins should outnumber a full loss.
Totally agree with Thunder Pants.
One question that I got was. If you start using 5 why don't use 6 instead?
I mean you progression is up to 6 steps?
1-2-3-5-8-13
-Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on Dec 06, 01:34 AM 2016Totally agree with Thunder Pants.
One question that I got was. If you start using 5 why don't use 6 instead?
I mean you progression is up to 6 steps?
1-2-3-5-8-13
-Tuddilue
It wouldn't be a six step progression it would be 5 1-2-3-5-8
Not sure if I would use a recovery progression, probably keep at 8 ...-1 on win till in +
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 06, 02:28 AM 2016
It wouldn't be a six step progression it would be 5 1-2-3-5-8
Not sure if I would use a recovery progression, probably keep at 8 ...-1 on win till in +
Yes maybe that is to high. I just saw your first post and then you have up to 6 steps.
But I totally agree that that can be to high to recover.
So 5 steps should be good.
But so far you have not reach there yet :smile:
But you will :yawn:
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on Dec 06, 03:11 AM 2016
Yes maybe that is to high. I just saw your first post and then you have up to 6 steps.
But I totally agree that that can be to high to recover.
So 5 steps should be good.
But so far you have not reach there yet :smile:
But you will :yawn:
- Tuddilue
Yes but when I do I'll be so far in profit I won't notice :smile:
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 06, 03:53 AM 2016
Yes but when I do I'll be so far in profit I won't notice :smile:
Hehe yes that is the plan. It always happens sometimes. But that doesn't matter if you already is in profit O0
- Tuddilue
Betvoyager no zero - RNG
Europe/Malta time (11:00 - 11:15)
5 line
After that shit last night (initially 8 times RB - the first 16 numbers) now this (the first 17 numbers)? Luckily today play money!!! >:(
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F.cking Martingale is big no, nooooo........... We need another progression?
RNG
WHY??
You will lose
I know, but......? The debate on this issue continues - fair or not? I do not know? A betvoyager has also Fairness Control. :question:
Quote from: blueman on Dec 06, 11:00 AM 2016
I know, but......? The debate on this issue continues - fair or not? I do not know? A betvoyager has also Fairness Control. :question:
if you must play bet voyager, see my post at
[url]link:://betselection.cc/even-chance-8/bv-0-01c-holy-grail//url]
or play 3 in a bed, i went from 24 euro to over 1200 euro before
nearly "losing the lot"
:sad2:
Hi all,
I was playing Wm. Hill live last night. I was playing a different system but I checked this one and it went to 4 steps then it lost 5 steps and 2 on next series before winning. LLLW= LLLLLLW=== so it can have a losing streak. Do not know what prog. would overcome these streaks.
+1/-1 might work but it could be a long drag.
Bleep24
Roulettedevil -thanks, looks interesting and I will try, but this part of I (or play 3 in a bed, i went from 24 euro to over 1200 euro before
nearly "losing the lot")did not understand the best? :thumbsup:
When I was crazy and I didn't know better :wink:
I used to play bet voyager all the time, I played 3 in a bed as I called it..
Or probably neighbours as others call it.
Simply play the last number hit and it's neighbour either side, up to 18 numbers in total, you'll be amazed how many repeats you get, again if you do play, don't for too long!
Try it in practice
:thumbsup:
Quote from: blueman on Dec 06, 05:38 AM 2016
Betvoyager no zero - RNG
Europe/Malta time (11:00 - 11:15)
5 line
After that shit last night (initially 8 times RB - the first 16 numbers) now this (the first 17 numbers)? Luckily today play money!!! >:(
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F.cking Martingale is big no, nooooo........... We need another progression?
This is actually a really good example why you should NEVER play RNG with real money. Only in RNG does something like that happen instantly. You can argue that the math is wrong of cause with 7 times of half a chance is roughly 0,8% of loosing. Even if you just see it as 7 chances single flips of a coin where we loose if it hits our exact 7 pre-selected sets. Also dont forget that we keep changing the predetermined sets & also plays in groups of 5 thus getting the 7 out of sync with the group dosnt count. Sure some of this could be argued if it has a effect. But if you ever attempt to simply get 7 "heads" in a row with a real coin then better go grab some snacks & put on a movie or 2 as well. Yes it could happen right away, but it really shouldnt. Still cant believe my local tax goverment organisation allow such RNG casino sites around.
Why do people still play RNG?,....is it because it's simply quicker to play ?
Can't be a money thing because you can play plenty of live wheels with min table value 0.10p, good one is betfair.
RNG is not roulette
It's a an online computer game designed by companies for casino profit
It is not roulette. Never was never will be
Had a 3 hour session yesterday playing this a bit randomly with 5 & 4 length set/groups & it worked ok, a lot of small wins & 2 losses, but still make a 40-45%-ish profit overall. However one thing struck me after playing & something that seem to be confirmed by the listed sessions: there really arnt many long streaks when betting like this? Like the longest streak i noticed was just 7x A's in a row?
This bring me back to my early EC betting days of betting Red & Black & either betting one colour or follow the colour and whatnot. However however you play you always has to watch out for those long "killer streaks" of 12 reds in a row that will bleed your bankroll dry if you try Martingale-ing or that 15 long RBRBRBRBRBRBRBR that you didnt expect & happen way too often. A little surpriced i didnt see something like this with the A & B sets.
It could just be a luck of cause & our data samples so far is fairly small or even be wheel dependant .. but it does follow the logic behind the set selection (physical area & real human dealer for maximum variation) & betting on set changing (and not set streaking). If it "holds water" then it does open the door for some larger quicker betting like wait for 3 or 4 of a set to repeat (like BBB or AAAA) and start a even safer (or larger?) bet progression .
Hi Thunder Pants,
How I agree with you. I never seem to encounter these massive long streaks that people talk about (Are they only RNG or dodgy casinos) so yes we can use this observation to our advantage. If you do encounter a RFH and it is only once in a zillion spins you should still be well, well in profit. I only play live: yes it is slower but if you are confident that it is honest then you can play some systems to win.
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for those playing this variation on these lines, just looking for one repeat, wait for change
i use 1-2-3-5 prog, tweak to your own preference.
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