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Title: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 07:12 AM 2016
OI, maybe one of my best martingale systems ever?...so far, so good! Drawdowns seems to be within a reasonable limit. Lady Luck? This is a tweak of the "Double Dragon" system. It looks like it's a 2/3 bet but in reality it's a 50/50 bet.

Procedure: Pick one side, first hit H/L, (and stay with that side) now, bet the 2 "other" unhit Doublestreets within that same particular H/L hit (each H/L consists of 3 Doublestreets!) Also bet 1u on dozen 1 or 3 (the opposite of what you're betting the DS on!). Spin until hit (until one of the 2 DS hit) no progression when the dozen bet hit! The dozen bet will give money back only! Progression; double bets for each loss. WHEN hit, reset progression to 1u and adjust the DS bet (the 2 "other" unhit Doublestreets within that same particular H/L are bet!)  Also bet 1u on dozen 1 or 3 (the opposite of what you're betting the DS on!).

Hope that's clear (sry for my bad english!) :S

an example;

Number 3 hits (DS 1/6) now DS 7/12 and DS 13/18 are bet. 1u is also bet on DOZ 3 (25/36)
Let's say DS 7/12 hits--Reset progression to 1u and now the DS bets are adjusted; DS 1/6 & DS 13/18 are bet! Also the same 1u on DOZ 3

Bankroll; 100u playing with 1u bets, 500u playing with 5u bets.

First tests was played with 5u bets (stoploss -500u, wingoal +500u)

3/3 Games won

Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 08:22 AM 2016
4/4 Games won (This chart!!!!)  :ooh: :ooh:
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 10:14 AM 2016
5/5 Games won (still looking good!!)
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 10, 11:15 AM 2016
 :love:
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 11:48 AM 2016
6/6 Games won (Well, i be damned!!)  :ooh: :ooh: Still waiting for my first loss...
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: 777 on Dec 10, 11:56 AM 2016
i have had a bust but 5 wins out of 6.  Live spin wiesbaden.

looks very good not many big DD :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 10, 12:01 PM 2016
Good job sir

Top notch
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 12:09 PM 2016
Quote from: 777 on Dec 10, 11:56 AM 2016
i have had a bust but 5 wins out of 6.  Live spin wiesbaden.

looks very good not many big DD :thumbsup:

Thanks for testing! <3
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 12:10 PM 2016
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 10, 12:01 PM 2016
Good job sir

Top notch

Thanks RG, still we need more tests! It seems to be too good to be true, we'll see how long it will last!  ^-^
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 12:29 PM 2016
7/7 Games won  O0
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 01:18 PM 2016
8/8 Games won
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 01:44 PM 2016
9/10 Games won  :thumbsup:  8)

Had my first loss (phew!) that was a thriller!... Still good so far!...  >:D
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 10, 08:28 PM 2016

its still a good looking bet-thanks Ignatus
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 10:14 PM 2016
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 10, 08:28 PM 2016
its still a good looking bet-thanks Ignatus

Thanks, i don't think this one will fall into oblivion, atleast not for me! I will keep testing, and i hope you can do the same also to see how far this one can go, im still thinking 9/10 was a very good result, but that may also aswell be luck??... in normal cases a 70-80% winrate is good enough, for me, nice if winrate should be higher than that!...  :)
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 10, 10:28 PM 2016
tested two sets and both won the 500 with very little downdraft
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 10:35 PM 2016
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 10, 10:28 PM 2016
tested two sets and both won the 500 with very little downdraft

Great!  ^-^ Thanks for testing!!
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 10:36 PM 2016
10/11 Games won  8)
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 11:17 PM 2016
11/12 Games won
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 10, 11:29 PM 2016
1 more, it made the 500   ,, Im 3 for 3
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 11:37 PM 2016
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 10, 11:29 PM 2016
1 more, it made the 500   ,, Im 3 for 3

You play RNG or Live?
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 10, 11:40 PM 2016
13/15 Games won ~87% winrate

Had my second loss, we'll see now it starts to crystallize...
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 10, 11:51 PM 2016
was playing semi live on the game attached to this forum to get a feel for it
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 12:14 AM 2016
14/20 Games won

5 sessions from hell, well, my luck turned, this wasn't the grail i was hoping for..  :-\ but still a ~70% winrate, i could live with that- if you consider losing ~2-3 times out of 10 sessions, still it's profitable

calculating wins/losses

losses 6*500= -3000u
wins 14*500= +7000u

Total= +4000u
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 11, 01:13 PM 2016
did two more this morning and won both! so 5 out of 5 ----even if it runs bad  6 wins 4 losses  its a winner w the ease of play
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 01:36 PM 2016
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 11, 01:13 PM 2016
did two more this morning and won both! so 5 out of 5 ----even if it runs bad  6 wins 4 losses  its a winner w the ease of play

You're right, i don't think i can beat a 70% winrate, (strange as it seems), but that's enough to make a profit, if you have the right monemanagement!  :thumbsup:

Thanks for testing! <3
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 11, 01:52 PM 2016
I have a gut feeling this could stay higher like maybe 75-80% . and I may test it straight with a dalembert  or something
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 02:02 PM 2016
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 11, 01:52 PM 2016
I have a gut feeling this could stay higher like maybe 75-80% . and I may test it straight with a dalembert  or something

Any ideas are welcome, if another progression could change the odds, i don't know(?) (I doubt it) hitrate is still the same, but if you feel like testing it further, go ahead! I will follow, and perhaps i can do more testings also, it all depends on the forum members interest in this one,..you're my inspiration  :)
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 11, 06:43 PM 2016
did 2 more with dalembert up 1 on loss down 1 on win , both won 500 units  ---lucky so far but its really a fun good little bet I will continue trying some if it continues I might play this one in a casino
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 11, 07:14 PM 2016
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 10, 11:51 PM 2016
was playing semi live on the game attached to this forum to get a feel for it
I do not think its live spins from other players, more software, well thats my opinion
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 11, 07:36 PM 2016
very well could be but I can test various ways
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 10:38 PM 2016
15/21 Games won

I tested this +1/-1 progression,(and reset when reach a new high) and it seems to work very good! I imagine drawdowns be less with this kind of progression..(?)

Thanks Tomla!  :)
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 11:31 PM 2016
17/26 Games won

No luck with this progression. i can't improve the stats sry  :-[
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 11, 11:56 PM 2016
Just something I like about the bet I will take a day off but I still like the bet or variations of it--- if it doesnt work c'est la vie
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Still on Dec 12, 02:55 AM 2016
Quote from: ignatus on Dec 11, 12:14 AM 2016
14/20 Games won

5 sessions from hell, well, my luck turned, this wasn't the grail i was hoping for..  :-\ but still a ~70% winrate, i could live with that- if you consider losing ~2-3 times out of 10 sessions, still it's profitable

calculating wins/losses

losses 6*500= -3000u
wins 14*500= +7000u

Total= +4000u

Actually, given the way martingales tank, the losses are not stopped at exactly 500.  Actual tally might be breakeven. 

So yah, +1/-1 would be a better way to test.
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 13, 04:54 PM 2016
did 10 more sessions won 8 to 500 lost 2 to -500
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: ignatus on Dec 13, 11:56 PM 2016
OK, let's calculate on this one! 17/26 Games won= That's a ~65% winrate

So! Let's say we play with 1u bets, that would be;

Total investment 26*100= 2600u
Total losses 9*100= -900u
Total winnings 17*100= +1700u

Total= +800u

Total= 800/2600= That's a +31% Return of investment

NOT BAD!!  >:D
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 21, 10:41 PM 2016
this is a perfectly legitimate way of playing
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 22, 09:52 PM 2016
played this flat betting and came out well ahead but I didnt track it--I will next time
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: denzie on Dec 23, 04:58 PM 2016
Quote from: ignatus on Dec 10, 07:12 AM 2016
OI, maybe one of my best martingale systems ever?...

:o

::)
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 24, 12:10 AM 2016
the way its set up its an even money bet---he does the same on his new one---your forcing a situation but doing it slower ---I give ignatus kudos in a  big
way--im still studying
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 24, 12:15 AM 2016
I play d'alembert but whatever as a martingale --plus 500 or minus 500---Its valid ! I have no probs losing 500 twice in 10 tries---its 5 marty shots interrupted by the break even bets--which stretch
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 24, 01:46 AM 2016
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 10, 10:28 PM 2016
tested two sets and both won the 500 with very little downdraft
roughly how many spins Tomla
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 24, 02:38 AM 2016
about 65 ---and i didnt record it but it helped me understand it ---your pushing into what you want
Title: Re: Optical Illusion
Post by: mogul397 on Dec 26, 03:47 PM 2016
Just looking this over.  My thinking is that I need $5 for an outside bet even
though inside is 50 cents. So I could do this with $500. Not a crazy requirement.

Have done NO testing. But once again, what I see/feel is that some sort of stop loss
is needed. Either a stop "loss" or a stop "play". If you stopped playing during some
of those pronounced drawdowns, then maybe that would help.

Also, not for nothin', I've been looking/playing with EC's but playing the "event" that
just happened.  EG for "red-red" on the last 2, there is no change, so you bet red.
If it was red/black, it is a change, so bet red for another change.  This catches all
short or long runs of red of black and chops.  Doubles is the enemy. Just a thought.
Flat bet so far.