Did not want to clutter colbster's, Are there really 37 possible outcomes? like i have done :lol:, sorry colbster ;).
So,
Riddle Of The Trot.
Can you see the trot on the sheet?
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After 15th spin it slows down, but at 40th and 60th everything comes to Winkel-Notto's calculations.
So what do you do to help your self to see this thing called the trot.
What is the trot? To me it's how when starting there's all 37 pockets to hit, so this is the start of your Riddle of the trot. So what do you do?
Collect many games where you can see how many of the 37 have hit.
Over time you will get to see some interesting figures reveal them selves.
I'll move on.
What do i know, probably to Mogul fcuk all.
But to the rest of you,this is what i've found.
There seems to be a constant value in spins 11-40, 15.7- 15.8 non-hit will show.
How does this help?
After lots of posts in KTF, i came across countback, a simple thing in its self, just add the round down 15 to the revealed value of spins 1-10.
So on todays game, which had the value 9/10, which by the way is the biggest value of 1st 10 spins in the average documents, i'd expect to see 24 non-hits,hit by spin 39/40.
You can see this on the sheet
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The flatbet in You aint go to believe it, you can see on the sheet, the 9,13 and 7 are just 3 extra spins, that i did not want to put on a new sheet, can you see this Mogul
Quote from: NextYear on Jan 02, 06:31 AM 2017
After 15th spin it slows down, but at 40th and 60th everything comes to Winkel-Notto's calculations.
Excellent Nextyear, someone who's taking all this in :thumbsup:
Helps with the game already played.
But after spin 10 you've placed countback, so your brain should now be turning over some thoughts about the trot.
What are Winkels reference points, 13,25,37, on some posted sheets you can see a small w. Anything else, yes, the law of the third. Various pieces have been posted on this showing that 23,24,25, non-hit are the usual suspects to have come at spin 37.
Anything else to help? What about averages for non-hit to appear, again posted in the 300 document is the info, free of charge :lol:
So all this is buzzing around in your head.
On to the game.
At spin 13 if you're just watching, winkels point is down, countabck shows those 3 non-hit are fast. As we've decided to not KTF and missed 3 wins to the value of +27, better to carry on watching, don't want to be betting hit once that could still grow by non-hit,hitting. What is the average for spins 11-20, 7 non-hit? well with only 3 come as said better to watch.
spin14 is repeat.
What do we know about the 13 th non-hit. Well you know from the document that upto the 19th non-hit, they average to hit in 2 spins. But the 13th should/could appear at spins 7/8, so i'd wait to see if the average of 2 went down, but you can seee its in, but no money has been spent, so good, still time to get a win.
So what would you do now, remember we've only had 5 possible spins in which to bet.
Anyone going to give some thought as to what we do next, thinking over the info we know of, will it be go for repeats or wait.
Can you here curve fitting :lol:
If I am to be careful, I'll just watch till 20th spin.
If I am gambling, I'll go for that repeats after 15th spin...
Okay but we can see,if we could not, then u'd say 13th came 3/4 spins to early,so again wait to see if 14th will miss for the average 2 spins, remembering the average of 7,+2 in spins 11-20,we're at 4 non-hit.
Now you've seen the average of 2 spins miss, so think still only 4 have come, we have 3 spins in which we could see the 14th, 5 non-hit is what we should get if 15 in 30 is 5,5,5, me i'd wait 2 more spins, get to 19th and if 14th is not in the countback shows it should/could appear at 20th spin.
So now we are at 19th and 14th could have hit, is still due to hit according to countback, if like me you have a clipboard and know that the 14th's max is 7 spins from the 300 document, that means theres potentially 3 more spins till it might and i say might,as it could increase its max. So we bet the 24 0x's and lose. Now this is a nothing bet if we just go to 2 units, so this is gambling time,on the FOBT i'd have to go to 3 units as would the B+M, but you can see we would win, 24+72=96, return 108.
Although we've won is it enough to walk, reset?
You see the trot slowed like Nextyear said, with the score for 11-20 at 4,-1 the win of the 14th has it nearly showing a normal trot again. As we've watched, we see waiting got us the win, from knowledge gained.
Now you must be thinking 14th has come, countback shows spins 29/30 could/should have the 19th in? what are the non-hit doing up to the 19th non-hit? they average to hit in 2 spins. So there's potentially 5 more to come, favorable odds to me, with the 15th due next spin, why not wait, if it comes so what you are up anyway, but you see its a repeat, its too early to WTF?
Well if you'd waited the 15th is late, so now is decision time, its late the average is 2 spins, why not go for it, you'd win.
15th has now hit where we could have seen 16th, be better to wait and see what happens with 16th, its in but if it had missed then average 2 would have been there.
Countback is showing the trot is right on time, so i'd wait, the ? is how many, but we can see the results, but i would have waited for the result of 25th spin a Winkel reference point. Seeing 17th is in i'd definetly wait to see if the 18th hits, which it does.
Now i'd be thinking WTF, Old Celtic would be talking to me now, but i would not bet just the hit once, i would bet all 18 with 1 unit, lose, i'd rebet the 18 plus the new non-hit making it 19 with 2 units, win. As the 19th is early and we won with the repeat at 2 units, i'd rebet the 19 with 1 unit, win.
I'd definetly stop.
I posted this sheet in basics topic. You can see waiting and watching the riddle of the trot. The red stuff is after posted, Devil street sys
last posted on here 19:03 pm, now 19:50, driven down the town and back did the riddle of the trot +7.25 in 25 minuets.
Last few bets was good when the 22nd non-hit came i thought no got to repeat is well in front, so i thought i'd bet the last 19, leave off 7,21,36 but as there repeating in there own groups of 10 spins, i'd better bet all 22, well another non-hit, so rebet include the new number,so bet 23 with 2 units,win, its the 36 just as well used those extra 3 numbers, rebet the 23 with 1 unit,win out the door +7.25
Could have left plus 4.5 after spin 18, but watched.
Thank you and goodnight, the darts are going to start soon, MVG
Over at 6 dices Turbo gave it like it is, so look forward to some comment.
Mvg, Mvg,MVG , MMMMMMVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Hi, Will the rock
Now i've been over the hospital this afternoon with the wife, so did not take the clipboard with me as i thought get no time, but yes found some time.
But whilst in the waiting room can't believe what i'm reading in Aint go to believe it, Winkel i understand your frustration.
So heres the 2 slips i used, +40 units, the abcd is devil street sys, but made more with non-hit and going for the repeat.
Hmmmm ?????
Glad you got your priorities right Notto.
Reminds me of the time I fist pumped 'yeessss' at a funeral whilst following updates on the Ashes - Stuart Broad decimated the Oz
Today jackpot#'s only 55 spins
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Knock knock
Whose there
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Heres the riddle laid out. The expected trott of 5,5,5 at the top. Actual count at bottom, usual average 7,5,3. And good old countback.
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From countback,with 1st 10, 9/10, countback shows LOTT would expect 23 to show at spin 37. 21st has come on time, now you have 4 spins to go for 37th spin, so if you decided to watch, what are you looking for? its average of 3 spins to hit, the ? is, whats its max to hit, of the 366 games, next 5 spins accounts for 93.71% of spins and 6 spins = 95.90%, its max is 16
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heres the value of spins, 8 times 6 spins, 1 time 16 spins.
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If this was on the FOBT having waited 3 spins i could bet for next 7 spins, getting me to 10 spins that has happened 1 time. Do you ignore the times it took 15,16 spins, saying its a rarity?
No doubt i'm showing the % wrong, butyou can see the spins taken to hit.
Knock knock
Whose there, answer, no fcuker
Now all that fancy thinking shite out the way.
In the building document of 400 games, last night just flat betting, but you see only aired for 109 minuets, so only 55 spins.
But in the doc unlike Mort where we use remaining 9, here i use remaining 12. last night for no thinking +23, flat bet spins 46 to 55
Notto - One question for you.
Why wait for non hitting 9 spins and waste your precious time. I have done some tests on picking numbers 7, 14, 16, 18, 21, 23, 27, 32, 36, even last night's 55 spins aired and start betting from spin 1 itself. Flat bet and take off the number that hits going 8 numbers, 7 numbers upto 4 numbers. What do you think?
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 05, 09:02 AM 2017
Notto - One question for you.
Why wait for non hitting 9 spins and waste your precious time. I have done some tests on picking numbers 7, 14, 16, 18, 21, 23, 27, 32, 36, even last night's 55 spins aired and start betting from spin 1 itself. Flat bet and take off the number that hits going 8 numbers, 7 numbers upto 4 numbers. What do you think?
Big respect to you, like Winkel and a couple more who post.
Well from experiance the 9 numbers you suggest are a random 9#'s, you'll comeback if that statement is wrong :thumbsup: So what i have found is, that betting the random 9 which are not like the remaining 9 from the starting 37, has missed for 34 spins, where as the remaining 9 from the starting 37 have missed for only, 16 spins, jackpot 247.
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Here on FOBT 23 spins
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So why does the randomly selected 9 miss for 34 spins against only 23 on FOBT, rng.
As some brains are looking in and probably the boffins for the bookies and casino's ( programmers) should we carry on giving them free info to use against us.
the 229 is the actual games played when spins get that far, ie; longer airtime.
the 29 is the 1st of the remaining 9 meaning 28 have come.
16 is its max
3.9 avg to hit
total spins 1141
the sum 1141*9=10269 flat bet
292*36=10512 return =+234
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 05, 10:04 AM 2017you suggest are a random 9#'s
Depends on how you look at. But these are numbers that are spaced 3 spaces to each other from the wheel.
12,14,16,18,21,23,32,34,36
Seems bit of an old Mr J method, as go past one of the 9, another is coming along, but that idea tanked, so 3 spaces apart ?
So do you want me to look at those spins, using this placement?
Do you remember in KTF, i had RG give his 10 #'s, then when jackpot had 10 gone, i compared those aginst the playing 37, both ways lost.
Now the wheel is what you play against, the carpet/mat is to lay your bet. Now as we have seen the cycle of 37 spins,produces 24,0x's pretty consistently, so if the 1st 10 spins of cycle 37 have no repeat,leaves 27 to come, whats to say your randomly selected #'s are those that could miss in the remaing 27 spins.
Is there a right way? just clutch 9 out the air, or wait for the remaining 9. Just that data at the moment shows waiting for the 9 is winning
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Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 05, 11:45 AM 2017Just that data at the moment shows waiting for the 9 is winning
Thanks for the explanation Mr. hammer. Understood.
your are most welcome :thumbsup:, thanks again for the tester
This is showing what i tried yesterday, playing for a repeat in 10 spins, on bookies FOBT's. Using £100 Bank roll, using lowest unit of .20p as max bet would be at 3*.20p=.60p per #.
On this sheet is two methods.
1. Is to just watch the trot develop and using countback, decide if a bet is favourable ?
2. In red is betting upto 7#'s with 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3.
2.1 It could be played in blocks of 10 spins, stop if a repeat happens and wait out the rest of the spins, as 9/10 is more comman than 7/10,8/10, 10/10. This assumption is from ef-bet, jackpot247 and live wheel spins posted in real roulette spins. But here i played in red for a repeat, if win,just started with the repeat number, remember i'm not in the blocks of 10 spins.
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As you see i'm minus 92 which is £18.40 down on starting bankroll, it's for .20p unit. At spin 32, -216 (-43.2)
Now if we forget the stupid idea of 1 repeat in 10 spins and was to have just watch the trot, even with the disastrous start, at spin 28 would be a whole £1 or .20p in profit, so watching the trot is better than betting for repeats only.
As the game is balanced at spin 28, 19 non-hit have come and as countback shows,this way is still with bankroll in a new high, (you might laugh but its still better than the repeat method).
So as balanced just watch.
Now you can see i would have decided to bet for a repeat of the 20 1x's, why ?, the 15 non-hit that average to come in spin 11-40, usually come as 7,5,3, and you see its 3,7, we're at 10,+0, so 5 more non-hit could come, and as you see theres the 1st one, -20units, so what does WTF have you do, plus the unit,win.
But as you see betting for this 1 repeat in 10 spins is a disaster, at spin 32,-216
To be continued
So we know just watching countback helped in betting the non-hit and then for a repeat,ending with profit, unlike the 1 repeat in 10 spins.
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But do you see the 4 blocks are not exactly following what ef-bet and other data show, here its 10/10, 9/10, 9/10, 10/10, 50/50 where as it usually 70/30
Little bit for Riddle of the Trot, countback spot on, whats avg for 60 spins,30.5, so close.
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You'll see a yellow cell now, any one see why ?
But 60 spins done, nearly half Bankroll gone (500*.20)
So even blocks of 10 spins are not great for a repeat, but the red shows its a disaster for a repeat also in its 10 spins.
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You can see 10/10 is pretty dominant, the repeat of 1 in 10 not happening in either way. Br not good.
Now look at that countback, 9,+4, look how fast the 0x's and where should be if a balanced game, but then this is RNG.
Fast game for 0x's, 1 more in next 10 and its 15 in 30 spins, so should not more repeats happen as so many non-hits have come and getting less pockets to find
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As for the repeat of 1 in10 spins, i had said i'll have 100 spins and see how this goes on rng, by the look of it a disaster
Now that line less pockets to find well don't worry i've seen this on air ball many times, so one should not assume anything in roulette
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Got the yellow cell yet? I'll let you know it got me out of trouble on the next spin,
This is how it should be.
I shouldhave done this yesterday when it was fresh on what i'd done. Because we're getting a lot of 10 /10, but 9/10 is comman, as its won on #17, i stopped and see out the spins, but how i was pissed as if i'd stuck to the previous bets and would have won on the #17 again. As you see now i'm in the blocks of 10 spins and its, yes 10/10, and you see its -427 units, somewhere i'd bet an extra 13 units, but the funny part is i only had £6 left to cover the 7#'s, so spin 21 is the last bet, if lose,Br gone.But it wins as Zero comes, so Br is £21.60
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now i'm on track, lose another 92 units, so its goodbye to the1 in 10 repeat idea, just back to watch the trot, with the BR so small and to getback to level BR is going to be a grind.
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So the Zero saved a wipeout, but still lost in spins 21-30,so as said gave it up, now its just watch and as so many non-hit have come, cant make a decision, so by spin 40, its 28,+5 but what about the yellow cell, whats been happening( some might say its a pattern) well the 10/10's have repeated in next 10 spins, so thats it will bet in spins 41-50 that those previous 10 repeat, nice against my better judgement its cover with £1 units, win +26 Br is looking better.
Now thoughts are to spin 60 whats the usuall outcome 30.5 non-hit, whats the avg spin for 29th non-hit, 4 spins, i've won with the repeat of #28, next spin is repeat, so i'm going to really play with fire here, its possible it might come, so again dont like using £1 units as this will get to max bet of £100 to quickly, there it is, win +27 Br on the up.
So its wait again see whats happening. As you see 30,31 crazy small amount of pockets to find but this alg says these are how the wheel could play
Now i'm as bored doing this as you are reading it. So what happens is run out of time, but get BR back to within £12.60,so better to just watch.
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Here spins 11-20 get BR looking good, still giving 10/10
told ya 11-20 get the br lookin good
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Now KTF tells me after 5 non-hits came to stop, but looking above its 9,+4 so against what i like i carry on as we can +1/-1, but even on the repeat i changed my mind and just rebet.
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DONT FORGET ITS RNG kNOW THE AVG TO HIT AND MAX TO HIT :thumbsup:
Now we've seen how one go on FOBT went, admittedly its only the 1st go. But here is J247 airball for today.
I've done no work on these yet, but the 1st 4 spins, be a great start for 1 repeat in 10 spins using 7#'s
Thats the easy bit done. KTF spin 38,+75, Ktf 1st profit spin 33,+2. Flatbet remaing 8, +12 spin 59
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The usual, a repeat in 1st 10, 7/10
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Well 10/10 there but nothing like on the FOBT
I just love how 60 spins has that avg of 30.5
See sent this on the day.
Quote from: nottophammer on June 16, 2017, 12:44:28 PM
Top man :thumbsup:
I've been on the fobt this morning, betting 1 to 7 numbers and then bet if not in with 2,2 and on 10th spin 3, well its nothing like MPR, or live wheel spins posted.
played with £100 at .20p chips, Now i'm laughing here as it's last £6 and it covers the 7#'s, shit or bust time, well it wins £21.60 of the £100, only on meter. So i leave that alone and watch still getting 10/10, but here is the knowledge part, we've spoke of, will the 10/10 repeat in 11-20, looking at the sheet they hit 1st or second spin on previous blocks of 10/10, so now this group of 10/10 has cost so i just bet them 10#'s at £1 unit straight in, profit, carried on betting the non-hit and oh yeah at some point put another £20 in, but the non-hits came good got back to £107.40, had to come out as mrs hair do done, but a good lesson all the same.
Keep at it, will all come good
But the replies 27-37, done the next day and not fresh and from a scruffy sheet, but its the £6 i like
The sheet from opening reply.
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From where you get this spins?
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Aug 12, 04:10 AM 2017
From where you get this spins?
Airball, on jackpot247 aired on sky channel 178, been recording since 23/12/15, never missed a show.
Doctor Sudoku
Well this you might as well not bother looking at :lol:
Yesterday 65 minutes using .25p units +31.25
85 spins in total, but its watching the 1 Trotity trot, trotity trot in 3 games, perhaps like Winkel with his multiple trackers.
CLUE doc in total 85 spins
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Before you give your vote would you like a spin by spin evaluation of this trot :lol:
This should be in 10 against 10, RG's topic, where sissors shows it lost, but lets not clogg it up,
So here are 60 spins showing countback, does it need an explanation?
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So what are you looking at as it seems some don't get it.
What you see are checkpoints for non-hit. Here we see that an avg of 15.7 came in spins 11-40, to do this add 15 rounded down from 15.7 to the non-hit that came in spins 1-10, then you'll see how many of the 15 non-hits came by spin 40.
Now if you accept the avg of 15,0x's in spins 11-40, think about it, hot numbers/repeats, you're expecting 15 repeats from the 30 spins, but dont forget the 0x's from spins 1-10 all potential repeats. Is method WTF not catching the repeats in spins 21-30, to help see this add countback to the record sheet.
In the reply above spins 1-10 it had 9,0x's, add the avg of 15, means 24 non-hit could show by spin 40, and as you can see it got 24,0x's by spin 40, in fact they came fast as countback shows. If you rounded down 29.75, 0x's for 60 spins, there at spin 60 is 29,0x's.
Mr Taotie would stat to bet remaining 9,8,7,6,5 and wins 1st spin :thumbsup: ROTT :smile:
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Now whilst wait for the hospital to be done, i visit corals and w.hill +80 units just watching the trot.
If you want i'll post the sheets, but why do i need, i know its truth, just learn ROTT, just explained it in KTF
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See countback add 15 to the 9 non-hit from 1st 10 spins 15+9=24
Is 15 in Andre file in topic Solving the "Holy Grail" Flatbet Secrets/Together we are stronger! The avg for spins 11-40 and also 29 for 60 spins.
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Got bored with just doing repeats so i just watched the Riddle Of The Trot, easy :lol:
Notto,
Can you explain how this works?
Ok GZ
If you look in like maestro said, 2nd reply theres part of collected data for non-hit numbers, the column for the 26th non-hit means betting last or remaining 12#'s from the starting 37.
We're not worried about like maestro said, because we're just watching the spins from spin1, but i dont attempt any bets untill 10 spins have come.
Now lets assume the 25th has hit, you have two options 1. bet for 4 spins as the avg to hit is (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/08/temp_157334.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GDNTF) i always round up as this figure is below .5 math would have you round it down. The known max at this point in time is 27 spins and has happened once.
option 2 would be too wait 4 spins to see if it misses the avg to hit, if it does how many times can you bet those 12 remaining? well i could bet for 9 spins in bookies, so if waited 4 spins, the 12 remaining could be bet for 9 spins getting to spin 13, which means by waiting you might have lost 4 times.
Something else is how fast have the previous non-hit, hit. Now you need countback for that and accept the avg for spins 11-40 where bets become available on non-hit or repeats, by decisions you make as the spins go along.
Here is the avg to hit for upto the 19th non-hit, they avg to hit in 2 spins, on the R-Sim pic you can see no bets for 10 spins, then i win spins 11 and 12, lose spins 13 and win on spin 14, the avg to hit. I win upto the 18th spin and then bet no more till spin 25,which is betting for a repeat as the 24th spin was the 20th non-hit, so the non-hit have come fast, to fast, it should not really come in untill spin 33/34 to countback, so i bet for next 3 spins the 20 non-hit that are now the 20,1X's and win 3 times, i now stop as the 21st non-hit has missed its avg to hit, the 21st hit on spin 29, now as its still way infront thats the no-hit, i bet the 21;1x's and win twice, i bet again and lose, i add the extra 1x and double the bet and lose, i add the 1x and plus 1 again the units to 3 on each and win, i rebet all again and down chip by 1 unit and win
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i posted above as it might time out.
It was still bet for repeats as the non-hit where infront to countback.
Here is the sheet the red is an earlier game that wins.
The R-sim is the black its a bit messy but you can see the workings just about. The reason you see 13;+3 is countback has spins 21-30; showing that the 18th non-hit should really came here, not the 21st which should or could have come at spin 35/36, you get the idea.
Any more just ask.(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/08/temp_372759.jpg) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GDp3i)
GZ or anyone cares to see ROTT
Go to roulette- simulator, look in High score list, the games are on p22 under name of KTF rank 214
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Just played these at R-SIM, its like a game of chess gets you thinking, make decision, remember the non-hit avg.
Both games 8/10 so if you know of countback at 39/40 should or could see 23 non-hit have come.
Are you following 100 days of mort, what does it avg at spin 60, answer 29 non-hit i'd round it to 30 so half the 60 spins would be non-hit,1st game has 30 at spin 52, other 28 at spin 57, made some units so why carry on, just reset.
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poluvolo, Gzgzbee
Above is a picture of the TROT.
How do i get to see the trot, overtime i built up a data base of games, these 60 spin+ games eventually gave me all 37 non-hit #'s averages, we're not talking 100 games, we're using data from 100's.
Now these averages have gradually been slowing down,
1; The average to hit has not changed in 100's of games
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It starts with non-hit 5 upto 37, non-hit 37 is 0; ok, reason #5 is the start is most games start 9/10, games seldom have 5 repeats in 1st 10 spins.
Now look at the avg to hit from non-hit 7 upto non-hit 19, we dont get 1 point something spins, so round it up, becomes 2; 2 spins is average to hit.
So above the 10th non-hit came on spin 10, the 11th non-hit came on spin 12, which is the average to hit 2 spins. We'll carry on, the 16th non-hit we'll discuss later, the 18th hit the average to hit, ok with this.
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Now lets look at max spins for non-hit numbers.
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Now these change, obviously at the start of building the data base the max spins kept changing, but now the data is of a large volume these max spins hardly change, you can't say never as extremes do change.
So non-hit 16 should or should i say hits on average in 2 spins, but we can see here it missed the average to hit, so if you are just watching and recording these spins, seeing its missed its average to hit, it is decision time to think about whether to start betting these 22 remaining numbers, so what is the present known max spins to hit, answer 7 spins, so how many spins with a progression could you bet these remaining 22 numbers, me i could bet for 4 spins in the bookies, so if 7 is known max, i'd say i'll wait 3 spins and then start to bet, and of course it wins, by waiting for 3 spins, my 4 chances to bet would get me to 7th spin, to be ultra safe, as i could only bet 4 times i could wait 4 spins and then bet, but here it came in on its 4th spin, so here you can see why having known averages helps to see the trot.
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So the above two posts are giving a view on the trot, but the best way to see the actual trot is to use countback.
Now what you members have to remember is i'm working on 40 spins, not the math 37 spins, where people get the Law of the third, but do not worry as countback will show at spin 37/38 if LOTT is going to be correct in saying 24 non-hit numbers will hit in 37 spins and as you can see the 24th non-hit has come within 37 spins, so LOTT was right,
But where should or lets say could those 24 non-hit numbers hit.
Add countback, been told before by me, so here we go again, what is the 1st 10 spins answer 10/10, so from Known data i know on average in spins 11-40, 30 spins that on average 15 non-hit come.
So you write on the sheet at 2 spins intervals like on the above sheet in the grey shadeing.
Here we can see the assumed positions of the 15 non-hit numbers to come (10+15=25) and 25 non-hit have come.
Theres more but is it worth me showing?
It’s worth showing more to me if anything very interesting stuff...I downloaded the sheet at ktf but not read through the whole topic...
but to me the figures don’t add up on balance side and it only tells you what to bet after the number is inputted
But it’s self explanatory I suppose
But maybe I’m reading balance wrong
But carry on here as I have been looking through some of your sheets to see what excactly happens with 12 numbers unhit onwards
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Ok 6th
so this tracker shows the starting 37 non-hit. It was supplied by Pri to see if like i said jut betting the non-hit from spin 11 can make £50/+50 just using a +1/-1 progression, which on most occassions it does.
On todays #'s posted by Mortagon it makes +62 at spin 19, but wouldn't you stopped at spin 18 just 2 units short.
so the 12 remaining start at spin 30, way to early, so a fast game for non-hit.
If you accept from average data i have that spins 11-40, which is 30 spins that 15 non-hit hits could or should show by spins 39/40, so today is 8/10, (8+15=23) so looking at the non-hit count column you can seeat spin 40; 29 of the starting 37 have hit. just look at the checkpoint box spins 31-40; 29, non-hit, it should say 29, +6 meaning 21non-hit numbers came in those 30 spins, 6 more than the expected 15.
I'll post up the countback sheet so you and others can see how fast they came.
Thanks notty...I always notice each sheet does show profit everytime at some point
6th
its a nice piece of excel/coding.
On my excel sheet the non-hit column sits at column D. If you want to flat bet non-hits look to this column, on todays #'s from Mort, spin 3 is 35 non-hit, and win, next it shows 34 to be bet, so each cell is showing the value of flat bet.
So if you scroll down its showing on task bar the cost of flat betting, something Falkor could not grasp.
As you have this tracker, if you scroll down the non-hit count column from spin 3 to spin 95 the task bar shows, sum 1022, as you can see all non-hit have hit, so betting from spin 3 betting the remaining 35 non-hit you have bet every non-hit and would have won 35 times, so 35*36=1260, take the return value away from bet total +238
But this does not happen every game, so don't get carried away :thumbsup:
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small example, above is how the non-hit are taking to hit,
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Now the non-hit count column, flat bet, task bar shows value is 108 units out
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Now you can see the wins, 4 in total, 4 wins full return 144 less 108, +36
without breaking it down, does flatbet win here
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If yes then wouldn't it win othertimes with a progression? you'll need to know max spin for each non-hit
Soo notto....the big question!?
How much have you won with this system?
Quote from: Gzgzbee on Mar 10, 04:11 PM 2018How much have you won with this system?
How is watching how the 37 non-hit hit, a system. Decision on when to bet are made from understanding the collected data, data you do not have, unless you have started to collect 60spin or more spin games, to give you averages for non-hits.
No trot is the same, or it would be easy to read and not fail. Have you ever tried GUT, tried making the decision on whether the crossing is going to cross.
Earlier in, is it simple mode on roulette-simulator, 40 spins had 31 of the starting 37 non-hit, hit. So KTF could not fail with such a hit rate, better than any i've seen on MPR, and thats saying something, for spins that are stitched together like Maestro says.
Now if you have read GUT, Winkel has a bank roll that he has made and has not had to use the original BR.
So like Winkel i have 2 BR's of £200, in the bookies that is RNG, i have never had to use the 2nd BR as the averages are so solid, by this i mean that from the rng bookies games i have collected over the years that the max to hit have or seldom change, the average to hit and this is a bold statement, do not change.
How much won no idea, but it is win £12/15 move to another shop, if win is in corals next shop must not be corals as the stream of numbers that i have won on, could still be in the next corals, so better to be in a different supplier.
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Here you are 8 games earlier today. +504.
If you have read i always use a .25p unit, so not to get to max bet of £100.00;
504 divided by 8 = £63.00 now divide 63 by 4 for the value of .25p units = 15.75 per game. So you move to another shop, as i don't want to meet the RFH
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Cleared games, win +67 for £1.00 unit, so for .25p unit be + 16.75, just by using average
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Thats enough for me
8 more games since last reply
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As said in bookies be .25p units, win around £12/15 move on, above a £1 unit
same as shitty Mpr... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: maestro on Mar 11, 10:14 AM 2018
same as shitty Mpr... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
almost, don't crash thou, but it seems to easy to win if betting non-hits
Notto,
What bank I needed to play KTE?
GZGZBEE
1st can you read the green tracker sheets
no probs, where do i find it!?
Bottom of page 80 in KTF topic.
You can place spins and see how it goes before trying KTF in B+M, or bookies. If you play in bookies i recommend you use a .25p unit to stop reaching max bet of £100
Find the game on home screen that allows increments of .25p, some go 1 increment at a time to a £1, then it jumps to £2 avoid this game.
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Remember this is just watching the TROT.
The losing game had
spins 1-10; 8/10
11-20; 7;+2
21-30; 14;+4
31-40; 25;+2 (8+15=23) so +2
60 30/60
bump :)
No, just advancing the topic.
So look at 100 days of Mort there you'll see what the average for non-hits in spins 11-40, now you are part way to winning.
All you need to know now is how many non-hit usually hit in spins 11-20, then how many hit in spins 21-30 and finally how many hit in spins 31-40
Where is the largest group of non-hit after spin 10,
i'll leave it there
Anyone seen Steve :twisted:
Quotei'll leave it there
Anyone seen Steve :twisted:
i guess..bare in mind is only guess...i think he is joining real spins on piece of toilet paper wanted to make sure there are not too many repeaters :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Steve is Just like the weather here in Holland. One day you Have great Sunny weather, the other day it's training Cats and dogs. :twisted:
last two replies
10/10 :thumbsup:
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Steve :yawn:
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If you look in 100 days of Mort you'll see the averages,
After 1st 10 spins, you now potentially know that 15 non-hit are coming.
11-20; what should hit, the larger group. Here you see KTF or like some idiot calls it KFC made the target.
21-30; the game should slow the non-hit here, if 15 non-hit are to hit, what would the distribution be? 5,5,5,
31-40 could see 15 non-hits here and repeats are expected and 15 came.
So it was 9/10; 9+15=24
11-20; so a fair distribution is 5,5,5; and here at spin 20 its 9,+4; where would countback have the 18th non-hit; hit, spins 27,28
21-30 So the game has too bring the non-hit back in line
31-40 with 4 more needed to get the 15, repeats need to be watched and what are the avgerage to hit for non-hit at this time in the game, the non-hit should hit within 3 spins, so the 16 to bet is for you to decide, how many spins could you bet with a prog, something you need to know
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18 spins target reached,
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so a fair distribution is 5,5,5; for spins 11-40 but it usually comes 7,5,3
11-20; 8,+3 the larger group at work
21-30; 13,+3 so the fair 5 repeats and non-hits
31-40; spin 35 14th non-hit with 3 spins to find the 15th non-hit by spin 40, to give the usual 15 non-hits in 30 spins
So you see the averages are fine, you need to get the averages of where you play
About the trott,
if a cycle starts with many repeaters, is it most likely the situation to catch back towards the average, to swing back below average or to remain above expectation? Or opposite: if a cycle starts with very little repeaters, say first in 15, would it remain slow?
Or put differently: do standard deviation level 2 or 3 tend to normalize or stay? If move back to normal, how long could it stay at extreme situations?
Any observations about this?
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NEXTYEAR KTF still good :thumbsup:
You know what this is about, 1-5-25-50
Numbers from MPR +440
bump :)
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These spins are blueprints in ayk tracker.
Now whats hard about the trot.
You wait 10 spins.
You now know its 8/10, so add the 15 non-hit to the 8, so you expect 23 non-hit at spins 39/40.
So if you read posted replies, you expect 7 non-hit in spins 11-20, so you watch, whats the average for non-hit up to the 19 th non-hit, its average is 2 spins.
So you've already seen 2 repeats of the expected 3 repeats, what would you now do?
If you bet spins 13 you have won. If you carry on watching there not missing their average to hit.
So what happens in 21-30 it should be a 50/50 of non-hit and repeats, with so many non-hit coming consecutively aren't repeats going to happen
In a few weeks i'll have some data that will show you the 15 non-hit in spins 11-40 is perfect.
I don't care what general-million is going to say, but i'll say this find your own way, by all means use the forum, treat it as a library, see if replies can back up what's being posted, but don't waist your time on millions of spins, if thats the case go get a fucking phone form Steve
Jono
Do you get typical days; where a game is much the same?
I mean; like this.
You collect your opening 10 spins. Now you know the number of non-hit to bet. By 17th spin you’re plus on bank roll.
Now what’s next? Do you reset? Or do you calculate the R1’s from the 20 spins?
Jono; do you bet the R1’s to go R2? Over; the next, 10 spin’s. Are you looking at whether; each block of 10 spins are giving the common; repeat of 1 number.
Here are today’s numbers for J247.
So let’s summarise so far.
You’ve won on the non-hit’s; you’ve also won betting R1 to go R2; not once but twice. The game is not finished; the 15 non-hit expected; have hit by spin 36. Now you wait out the spins till 40th spin. What is the score at 40th spin? You can see it ends 25 non-hits over the 40 spins.
So now what? What is the average score for 60 spins; Notto shows it’s around 29.8 non-hits, so rounded up it would be 30 non-hit over 60 spins.
How you going to work those 20 spins? Well; one way is to break the 20 by the 5 expected non-hits. So you give yourself 4 spins per non-hit.
Here is decision time; do you bet for 4 spins or wait 4 spins? Personally I’d wait. See if it has hit by the 4th spin; if it has missed it’s late to its average to hit. Now quick think; how many times can you bet 12 numbers? On the FOBT’s with max bet, 9 times; so this would account for 13 spins.
You can see if you sat out those 4 spins and then start to bet you have won with the number 3.
Now you sit out till spin 48, wanting the non-hit to be late to the divided 4 spin ratio. You can see number 1 has hit; so now you wait till spin 52, where we expect to see the 28th non-hit. But you can see the non-hit have blasted in No: 7-2-26: game over.
Let’s look at Big Bro Ben’s 80% for repeat in blocks of 10 spins. I personally find its 70% plus in the block of 10. So over 100 spins I’d expect to see 7 wins to 3 losses.
We got from today’s game 81 spins. You can see its 6-2: Betting would be 1-1-1-2-2-2 new high
So there’s more way’s to play than just random.
Jono; having just read back for mistakes, there’s one observation missed, but this is what you’d be up against. When we’re waiting the start of the 4 spin ratio; what happened for the last 4 spins in the 40 spin section? Non-hit 26 had missed for 4 spins, so it’s already later to average to hit. But at this stage of the game, it’s better to use caution, as the game is at 0x v 1x +>1x’s
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Hi Notto
This is all great information. I’m going to study this thread closely over the next couple of days.
Notto, I’m currently playing KTF in its simplest form. That is, following your instructions precisely.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 12, 05:02 AM 2018Do you get typical days; where a game is much the same?
I mean; like this.
You collect your opening 10 spins. Now you know the number of non-hit to bet. By 17th spin you’re plus on bank roll.
True â€" I find this all the time! This morning I recorded game number 86 and this was a very typical game. The first 10 spins contained two repeats 8/10, meaning my first bet was for 29 un-hit numbers. Please see the attached table. I had six spins with the repeat occurring on the fourth spin. I had two more wins and cashed out at spin #sixteen with a profit of 29 units. I would class this as a very typical game.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 12, 05:02 AM 2018Now what’s next? Do you reset? Or do you calculate the R1’s from the 20 spins?
Jono; do you bet the R1’s to go R2? Over; the next, 10 spin’s. Are you looking at whether; each block of 10 spins are giving the common; repeat of 1 number.
I haven't been doing this Notto. As I said, I'm keeping everything very simple. However I will be studying all of the information you have been supplying. When I have my head around it, I will put it into practice. I think its great that you are sharing all of this information. It would obviously help if I knew a little bit about GUT too...
The good thing about KTF is that it isn't complicated (simple but effective), however, as you are showing, with a little bit of knowledge you can obviously increase the strike rate.
Amazing stuff Notto and thanks for all the help. It is appreciated.
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Might as well go in here; conclusion is for the deluded.
Time and time again you see this; the checkpoint box shows how the average to hit is an illusion.
The illusion for spins 1-10; that shows 9/10 is the most common event.
Then the blocks; 11-20: 21-30: 31-40: That should give the even distribution of 5-5-5; but shows more like 7-5-3; but it just an illusion for the deluded like me.
Now if you’ve bothered looking at non-hit time tables; you’d know that after 19th non-hit has happened, the 1/37 trot carries on, so here you see 20th is late. But shouldn’t that of happened? When you can see 25 spins of 1/37 and only 6 repeats; you know repeats show more often as 1-3-5-7; so should the non-hit not now slow down, as at 30th you should really have had 9 repeats. So this is why you should watch the trot of the 1/37 spins.
Always look from the non-hit side; if you know the time table, you would know they average to hit in 2 spins up to the 19th, then 3 spins up to the 26th and 4 spins up to the 30th, which would have you at around spin 59/60.
Gzgzbee if you tape or watched J247 today here is the opening 10 spins
I'm with you Notto. It's working for me....
Can you read the trot?
You need reference points. Best for that is countback.
There's a KTF time.
Then a WTF time?
Then there is definitely a watch time. Where if you can read the trot; you can bet, for non-hits or repeats.
Pichost gone, so, you'll have to study.
WTF
Like Celtic show, +100
Gizmo; is trying to get you to read random.
Riddle Of The Trot; with countback shows you where the non-hits could show in the 60 spins.
You need to have referance points. GUT gives you points.
Jan 2017 started this. It all come from study and data on non-hits.
Time table for non-hits are posted.
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FORGET VADDIS
NOTTOPHAMMER IS THE REAL DEAL
Hello Notto. I think this is a very interesting topic. I went back to the beginning to read this, but all of the pictures and examples were missing so I did not have anything to reference.
Would it be possible for you to explain what you are doing in your most recent posts? Have you also come up with a spreadsheet or a program to track and chart your play? - Thanks Notto.
search for the KTF thread its all in there
Holy roller
KTF; is all about betting for non-hits.
I started as far back as maybe 2008 on non-hits. I wrote on betting slips groups of 10 spins. No thought to a cycle of 37 spins.
Now as I’d maybe have 4 slips with say 150 plus spins, I started seeing, in the groups of 10 spins there could be a repeat. So, I made a excel sheet and pretty limited as no excel skills.
It was all RNG spins from FOBT’s in UK bookmakers.
Okay in real roulette spins you’ll see the non-hit time tables. Now one of them is 10’330 live spins posted by General gormless or AKA, Snowman, Dr sir, sir anyone, there’s too many to list. But these spins give the average for repeats as 1-3-5-7 & 30. 16 repeats in 40 spins; see I didn’t use 37 spin cycle.
Anyway the 1-3-5-7; 16 repeats show in all non-hit time tables. Even the FOBT’s.
Knowing that 16 repeats is an average is useful.
Now you must know of Law of the third or as gormless calls it law of the turd. That average of 24 in 37 is what you can see is average in the 40 spins. If 16 repeats are the average in 40 the other spins are 24 non-hits.
There is something called countback, found in KTF topic. It shows where you could see the expected 15 non-hits in spins 11-40.
Like in GUT; by Winkel, you have to study how the stream is evolving or the TROT, that gormless mocks.
So, 1-10 more times than not has 1 repeat, that’s your reference. Gut has reference point 13, could have 2 repeats. You see you need to know how the larger group performs and when does the stream favour 50/50, non-hit or repeats and then the larger group is the one hits, less non-hits; a reversal to the start.
Below is from are there really 37 outcomes, by colbster.
(Number on left is number of unique numbers and next number is how many times a spin cycle had exactly that many unique numbers in the test)
37 spin cycle:
15 1
16 12
17 202
18 1417
19 6020
20 18309
21 41304
22 73951
23 98780
24 102814 Is this LOTT?
25 80164
26 47276
27 20934
28 6706
29 1685
30 349
31 35
32 5
Another poster from same topic.
This is a test I did in November. I tested over 1 million single zero RNG spins and got this:
2 3210
3 6251
4 9017
5 10906
6 12398
7 12852
8 12454 Is this Vaddi?
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9 11478
10 10007
11 8619
12 6845
13 5243
14 3857
15 2730
16 1816
17 1128
18 687
19 355
20 246
21 96
22 61
23 29
24 16
25 5
26 3
27 0
28 0
29 0
30 0
31 0
32 0
33 0
34 0
35 0
36 0
The most unique numbers in a row was 25 (The 26 means it hit on the 26th spin, so 25 unique numbers in a row) and this happened only 3 times.
Now you should be able to see how the stream or trot starts.
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Are you seriously trying to recycle that KFC/KTF crap? :xd: :xd: :twisted: :xd: :xd:
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Hey Nottophammer,
I am trying to understand your system. Based on your response to Holy Roller, this is how I understand it.
The law of the 3rd says that in 37 spins, 1/3 or 12 numbers will not show up, and you want to bet on the numbers that only hit once? And what you are saying is that by spin 40 you should have 16 repeats instead of 12. So if you bet the 12 numbers that came up only once by spin 37, then it should hit twice by spin 40?
Also, you said "betting slips groups". What does slips mean?
Also, you said "betting slips groups". What does slips mean?
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I think... what he means is he was writing the numbers that came up on slips of paper... or basically a piece of paper.
Free roulette.
The post at May 06, 06:43 AM 2021; talking of the 10’330 supplied live spins by the General; who should be known as General gormless, ask Turbo why.
He posts pics of KFC, because he knows that the 1-3-5-7 & 30 for repeats is correct. He doesn’t like someone showing how live spins or a stream show. Especially when he supplied the spins.
May 04, 07:02 AM 2021
The posted pic shows a sheet with countback. We’re in the topic Riddle of the TROT; it’s all about the stream of 60 spins and how non-hits arrive. At spin 19 I bet 12 units. The bet was for a number that had hit once to repeat and it did. See you have to watch the stream and my decision was to bet for a repeat.
You don’t have to bet just non-hits. Look at countback and see where the 15th non-hit should or could have hit. The non-hits are fast and a term Winkel said, is they need to slow down. To do this you need repeats.
Look how the spins 11-20 finished; 7, +2. +2 means there was 2 more non-hits than the expected 5. But repeats are at 5, where we could have had 1-3=4.
Now spins 21-30; you’d expect to see 5 repeats, 1-3-5=9. This would be WTF time, it’s getting towards a 50/50 for non-hit and repeats. So, WTF is bet the hit once. But you see repeats are happening, but the 1st 2 repeats in this section are R2, so you’d be losing.
You see at spin 21, it’s showing 1; I bet all remaining non-hits and won. Then it was just watch, No-Bet, nb. Then you see I bet on spin 25 that the hit once would repeat and won.
If you look at graph, you’ll see I’m not betting every spin, like in KTF where you bet every spin for just non-hit with +1/-1. You see I’ve learnt to watch and track the speed of the non-hits.
After spin 40, I’ve placed X in those 20 spins; where we need 9 more non-hit to get to the repeats of 1-3-5-7-30. I won at spin 41 as I was betting for non-hit, with 4 units.
Okay, up to the 26th non-hit they average to hit in 3 spins. The X at spin 40, is where the 22nd non-hit should have hit, but I won next spin. So, now it’s just watch to see if the 23rd hits at X, spin 43 and it misses. Great so, now I start to bet and win 2 spins later. Now we want to see if the 24th hits on spin 46 and it did, to early for me. I now wait to see if the 25th will hit on its average to hit of 3 spins and it missed. I now start to bet and win. The 26th hits very next spin and on time. Now I have to wait to see if the 27th will hit at spin 56; it missed. Start to bet and win.
Spin 60 is where I’d hope the 28th would miss. But you can see the last 4 spins are all non-hits.
Another way to try and bet for the non-hit in spins 41-60 is divide the 20 spins by the number of non-hits needed to get to 30. In this case every 2.22 spins.
What if there was only 5 to find, you would say every 4 spins for a non-hit?
After the 26th non-hit the average to hit is 4 spins.
General gormless would be looking for the wobbly wheel; TWAT
Correct Holy roller, slips they write their bets on; the paper is free.
Time machine :o
Do you have to bet all the time?
#25 but it's early in the stream
Above 16 repeats in 40 spins.
nottophammer,
You are one of the few people who seem to be interested in repeat numbers. Do you know how to run a python program?
Quote from: FreeRoulette on May 08, 11:13 PM 2021
nottophammer,
You are one of the few people who seem to be interested in repeat numbers. Do you know how to run a python program?
I wrote a python program that show results like this. Maybe someone can help me analyze results and determine how to bet given a certain situation. This is a sample of results.
In a million trials of 38 spins, this is the result
Trials: 1000000
15 numbers came up 3 times = 0.0%
1 : Counter({4: 2, 5: 1})
2 : Counter({4: 1, 3: 1, 5: 1})
3 : Counter({2: 2, 4: 1})
4 : Counter({2: 2, 4: 1})
5 : Counter({1: 1, 2: 1})
6 : Counter({1: 1})
16 numbers came up 21 times = 0.0%
1 : Counter({4: 11, 5: 6, 6: 3, 3: 1})
2 : Counter({5: 7, 3: 4, 4: 4, 6: 4, 7: 2})
3 : Counter({4: 8, 3: 7, 5: 3, 8: 1, 2: 1, 1: 1})
4 : Counter({3: 9, 2: 6, 1: 3})
5 : Counter({1: 6, 2: 6})
6 : Counter({1: 1})
17 numbers came up 160 times = 0.02%
1 : Counter({6: 54, 5: 39, 7: 24, 4: 21, 3: 12, 8: 5, 9: 4, 2: 1})
2 : Counter({5: 30, 4: 29, 6: 29, 7: 20, 3: 19, 8: 12, 2: 10, 9: 9, 10: 2})
3 : Counter({4: 36, 2: 30, 5: 29, 3: 26, 1: 12, 6: 12, 7: 9, 8: 2})
4 : Counter({1: 60, 2: 44, 3: 21, 4: 12, 5: 1})
5 : Counter({1: 70, 2: 16, 3: 1})
6 : Counter({1: 18})
7 : Counter({1: 4})
18 numbers came up 1205 times = 0.12%
1 : Counter({6: 331, 7: 326, 5: 188, 8: 187, 9: 74, 4: 66, 3: 17, 10: 13, 2: 2, 11: 1})
2 : Counter({6: 238, 5: 227, 7: 216, 4: 144, 8: 126, 3: 97, 9: 76, 10: 29, 2: 27, 11: 15, 1: 4, 12: 3, 13: 3})
3 : Counter({3: 295, 4: 267, 2: 206, 5: 180, 1: 119, 6: 76, 7: 30, 8: 2})
4 : Counter({1: 443, 2: 369, 3: 174, 4: 20, 5: 4})
5 : Counter({1: 422, 2: 65, 3: 2})
6 : Counter({1: 159, 2: 6})
7 : Counter({1: 30})
8 : Counter({1: 10})
19 numbers came up 5629 times = 0.56%
1 : Counter({8: 1502, 7: 1482, 9: 917, 6: 881, 10: 343, 5: 335, 4: 88, 11: 65, 3: 12, 12: 3, 13: 1})
2 : Counter({6: 1044, 7: 980, 5: 925, 8: 771, 4: 602, 9: 488, 3: 302, 10: 231, 2: 107, 11: 100, 12: 39, 1: 18, 13: 16, 14: 3})
3 : Counter({3: 1423, 4: 1259, 2: 1122, 5: 792, 1: 497, 6: 318, 7: 109, 8: 15, 9: 1})
4 : Counter({1: 2254, 2: 1604, 3: 514, 4: 63, 5: 1})
5 : Counter({1: 1687, 2: 211, 3: 7})
6 : Counter({1: 463, 2: 7})
7 : Counter({1: 91})
8 : Counter({1: 14})
9 : Counter({1: 3})
20 numbers came up 19387 times = 1.94%
1 : Counter({9: 5354, 8: 4879, 10: 3569, 7: 2718, 11: 1411, 6: 931, 12: 296, 5: 156, 13: 47, 4: 23, 14: 2, 3: 1})
2 : Counter({6: 3605, 7: 3572, 5: 2828, 8: 2743, 4: 1814, 9: 1792, 10: 1092, 3: 910, 11: 434, 2: 295, 12: 166, 1: 63, 13: 42, 14: 22, 15: 2, 16: 1})
3 : Counter({3: 4995, 4: 4482, 2: 3891, 5: 2474, 1: 1923, 6: 979, 7: 229, 8: 20})
4 : Counter({1: 8265, 2: 4742, 3: 1204, 4: 110, 5: 1})
5 : Counter({1: 4853, 2: 385, 3: 9})
6 : Counter({1: 1281, 2: 2})
7 : Counter({1: 171})
8 : Counter({1: 24})
9 : Counter({1: 1})
21 numbers came up 52014 times = 5.2%
1 : Counter({10: 14680, 9: 12500, 11: 10534, 8: 6299, 12: 4480, 7: 1855, 13: 1162, 6: 308, 14: 171, 5: 15, 15: 10})
2 : Counter({7: 9541, 6: 8984, 8: 7975, 5: 6977, 9: 5883, 4: 4215, 10: 3136, 3: 1867, 11: 1861, 2: 636, 12: 465, 13: 302, 1: 118, 14: 27, 15: 15})
3 : Counter({3: 14511, 2: 11853, 4: 11141, 1: 5631, 5: 5624, 6: 1783, 7: 248, 8: 10})
4 : Counter({1: 22989, 2: 10380, 3: 1888, 4: 116, 5: 2})
5 : Counter({1: 10576, 2: 590, 3: 8})
6 : Counter({1: 2195, 2: 8})
7 : Counter({1: 306})
8 : Counter({1: 36})
9 : Counter({1: 8})
22 numbers came up 107312 times = 10.73%
1 : Counter({11: 30943, 12: 24861, 10: 23022, 13: 11918, 9: 9929, 14: 3414, 8: 2344, 15: 528, 7: 287, 16: 52, 6: 12, 17: 2})
2 : Counter({7: 18795, 8: 18483, 6: 18413, 5: 13039, 9: 11368, 10: 8999, 4: 7845, 3: 3309, 11: 2955, 12: 2229, 2: 1103, 14: 287, 13: 243, 1: 219, 16: 12})
3 : Counter({3: 30357, 2: 27009, 4: 21388, 1: 13943, 5: 9188, 6: 2073, 7: 166, 8: 2})
4 : Counter({1: 46654, 2: 16627, 3: 2074, 4: 67, 5: 2})
5 : Counter({1: 17086, 2: 660, 3: 3})
6 : Counter({1: 3024, 2: 5})
7 : Counter({1: 418})
8 : Counter({1: 56})
23 numbers came up 169024 times = 16.9%
1 : Counter({12: 48157, 13: 44779, 11: 29470, 14: 24842, 10: 10368, 15: 7991, 9: 1742, 16: 1428, 17: 124, 8: 119, 18: 4})
2 : Counter({7: 33193, 6: 26155, 9: 25072, 8: 24504, 5: 20596, 4: 11238, 11: 9797, 10: 9060, 3: 4812, 13: 1742, 2: 1359, 12: 1069, 1: 288, 15: 119})
3 : Counter({3: 48524, 2: 48162, 4: 29199, 1: 25909, 5: 9495, 6: 1415, 7: 54})
4 : Counter({1: 70134, 2: 18728, 3: 1593, 4: 28})
5 : Counter({1: 20447, 2: 466, 3: 1})
6 : Counter({1: 3171, 2: 6})
7 : Counter({1: 382})
8 : Counter({1: 43})
9 : Counter({1: 4})
24 numbers came up 204754 times = 20.48%
1 : Counter({14: 61142, 13: 53637, 15: 39476, 12: 25582, 16: 14673, 11: 6262, 17: 3078, 10: 553, 18: 338, 19: 13})
2 : Counter({8: 42387, 6: 36395, 7: 32113, 10: 23527, 5: 21838, 9: 17775, 4: 13496, 12: 6262, 3: 5382, 11: 3107, 2: 1606, 14: 553, 1: 286})
3 : Counter({2: 64132, 3: 56946, 1: 38879, 4: 27762, 5: 6480, 6: 513, 7: 8})
4 : Counter({1: 78132, 2: 15048, 3: 791, 4: 6})
5 : Counter({1: 18034, 2: 289, 3: 1})
6 : Counter({1: 2387, 2: 2})
7 : Counter({1: 268})
8 : Counter({1: 19})
9 : Counter({1: 2})
25 numbers came up 190224 times = 19.02%
1 : Counter({15: 59611, 16: 48014, 14: 40115, 17: 21411, 13: 13349, 18: 5305, 12: 1668, 19: 701, 20: 50})
2 : Counter({7: 43916, 9: 36362, 6: 26050, 5: 24315, 8: 21349, 11: 13349, 4: 11073, 10: 5197, 3: 5179, 13: 1668, 2: 1461, 1: 282})
3 : Counter({2: 65119, 3: 47746, 1: 44671, 4: 17495, 5: 2569, 6: 89})
4 : Counter({1: 63809, 2: 8714, 3: 290, 4: 3})
5 : Counter({1: 12055, 2: 107})
6 : Counter({1: 1375})
7 : Counter({1: 112})
8 : Counter({1: 7})
9 : Counter({1: 1})
26 numbers came up 135644 times = 13.56%
1 : Counter({17: 42387, 16: 39623, 18: 23798, 15: 18362, 19: 7161, 14: 3103, 20: 1130, 21: 79, 22: 1})
2 : Counter({8: 35172, 6: 29266, 10: 18362, 7: 16186, 5: 13132, 4: 10161, 9: 5621, 3: 3312, 12: 3103, 2: 1106, 1: 202})
3 : Counter({2: 48248, 1: 39030, 3: 28298, 4: 7288, 5: 593, 6: 10})
4 : Counter({1: 37943, 2: 3509, 3: 48})
5 : Counter({1: 5897, 2: 21})
6 : Counter({1: 556})
7 : Counter({1: 47})
8 : Counter({1: 4})
27 numbers came up 73741 times = 7.37%
1 : Counter({18: 25681, 19: 19218, 17: 16174, 20: 7393, 16: 3690, 21: 1433, 22: 144, 23: 8})
2 : Counter({7: 22336, 9: 16174, 5: 12107, 6: 8078, 4: 4183, 8: 3987, 11: 3690, 3: 2489, 2: 566, 1: 119})
3 : Counter({2: 26040, 1: 25561, 3: 11088, 4: 1823, 5: 67})
4 : Counter({1: 16637, 2: 994, 3: 9})
5 : Counter({1: 2046, 2: 4})
6 : Counter({1: 196})
7 : Counter({1: 13})
28 numbers came up 29627 times = 2.96%
1 : Counter({20: 10420, 19: 9201, 21: 5483, 18: 2941, 22: 1374, 23: 198, 24: 10})
2 : Counter({8: 9201, 6: 8832, 4: 3084, 10: 2941, 5: 2519, 7: 1831, 3: 788, 2: 374, 1: 48})
3 : Counter({1: 11993, 2: 9385, 3: 2783, 4: 262, 5: 7})
4 : Counter({1: 5152, 2: 206})
5 : Counter({1: 518})
6 : Counter({1: 36})
7 : Counter({1: 3})
29 numbers came up 8872 times = 0.89%
1 : Counter({21: 3442, 22: 2778, 20: 1521, 23: 972, 24: 151, 25: 8})
2 : Counter({7: 3442, 5: 2269, 9: 1521, 6: 559, 4: 500, 3: 479, 2: 76, 1: 26})
3 : Counter({1: 3977, 2: 2294, 3: 426, 4: 21})
4 : Counter({1: 1128, 2: 23})
5 : Counter({1: 85})
6 : Counter({1: 7})
30 numbers came up 2046 times = 0.2%
1 : Counter({23: 921, 22: 519, 24: 480, 25: 113, 26: 11, 27: 2})
2 : Counter({6: 921, 8: 519, 4: 382, 5: 105, 3: 81, 2: 32, 1: 5})
3 : Counter({1: 1004, 2: 379, 3: 25, 4: 1})
4 : Counter({1: 190, 2: 5})
5 : Counter({1: 8})
6 : Counter({1: 1})
7 : Counter({1: 1})
31 numbers came up 298 times = 0.03%
1 : Counter({24: 131, 25: 118, 26: 44, 27: 5})
2 : Counter({7: 131, 5: 118, 3: 34, 4: 11, 2: 3, 1: 1})
3 : Counter({1: 121, 2: 33, 3: 1})
4 : Counter({1: 14})
5 : Counter({1: 1})
32 numbers came up 35 times = 0.0%
1 : Counter({26: 28, 27: 4, 28: 3})
2 : Counter({6: 28, 4: 4, 3: 2, 2: 1})
3 : Counter({1: 4, 2: 1})
4 : Counter({1: 2})
33 numbers came up 4 times = 0.0%
1 : Counter({28: 3, 29: 1})
2 : Counter({5: 3, 3: 1})
3 : Counter({1: 1})
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One situation could go like this. You are sitting on spin 37 and 23 numbers came up with 18 numbers hitting only once (this is very unlikely). So if a new number hit on spin 38, that would make 25 numbers with 19 numbers, which is also very rare. So it would be more likely that one of the single hit numbers will hit again to drive it closer to the more common 12 single hit numbers in 23.
Another situation is that 24 and 25 numbers have a higher percentage, so they are like a magnet. So, if you are sitting on 26 numbers on spin 37 and there are 17 numbers that hit once, then if next spin hit one of those single numbers, it would move the single hit numbers away from the prime 17 number position, but on the other hand, if a new number came up, it would go to 27 numbers, which only has a 7.37% chance to come up. So in this situation, it could be more likely that a number that hit more than once will hit again.
What do you think?
Can you ROTT?
In this thread is a conversation with Priyanka about 9 random numbers. It's on page 2.
Are the 37 numbers or pockets random?
As they hit the remaining non-hits take longer to hit. Their average to hit gets bigger.
The range is 2 spins up to the 19th non-hit and then goes 3 spins up to the 26th and 4 spins up to the 30th non-hit.
If you go to the real roulette spins section; there you'll see the non-hit time tables.
It seems strange to think that each non-hit has an average to hit that changes as you get further in to the stream of 1/37 spins.
The 1-3-5-7=16 repeats over 40 spins; how can you relate the non-hits average to hit against the known average for repeats.
Dave M-D
Just some waffle on the stream of the touted, its a 1/37 spin.
Then learn how these 1/37 spins progress to 60 spins not millions of spins. If you do millions of spins you must see that the starting non-hits do what Turbo's clicks do.
The starting 37; decay or should I say deplete.
A Winkel quote to me in GUT and should be to all of you; how did you get to this decision? It was how many non-hit, have hit, so, is a bet for repeat available? or reverse it, is there a bet for non-hit.
I don't teach only show what's happening in 60 spins.
We can't see how many spins, but if go to their game page you can see how many spins.
So, as not to be curve fitting for the biggest aka; the General i'll find a game with 60 spins or more.
perfect 60 spins.
60 spins is all you need to learn. Yes many games need to be studied to get Herby's " gamblers intelligence"
RFMAX
Vaddi is a gon-na.
Just use 1-3-5-7 Herbies gamblers intelligence
It's all about the 1-3-5-7
If you don't know what ROTT stands for, answer is riddle of the trot.
Next post is an excellent piece of work by luck of the Irish
What happens after 7 spins.
This is a test I did in November. I tested over 1 million single zero RNG spins and got this:
2 3210
3 6251
4 9017
5 10906
6 12398
7 12852 7 consecutive, then repeat
8 12454
9 11478
10 10007 10 spins usually has at least 1 repeat
11 8619
12 6845
13 5243
14 3857
15 2730
16 1816
17 1128
18 687
19 355
20 246
21 96
22 61
23 29
24 16
25 5
26 3
27 0
28 0
29 0
30 0
31 0
32 0
33 0
34 0
35 0
36 0
The most unique numbers in a row was 25 (The 26 means it hit on the 26th spin, so 25 unique numbers in a row) and this happened only 3 times.
Another great piece of work next
Here are some great stats from a poster called Teorulte
I thought they were relevant to Colbsters post
I ran about 500 000 cycles of 37 spins and came up with the following:
(Number on left is number of unique numbers and next number is how many times a spin cycle had exactly that many unique numbers in the test)
37 spin cycle:
15 1
16 12
17 202
18 1417
19 6020
20 18309
21 41304
22 73951
23 98780
24 102814
25 80164
26 47276
27 20934
28 6706
29 1685
30 349
31 35
32 5
The next post is about 1-3-5-7 and even 30 repeats at 60 spins. 10 games a day. Short, but what did the data above give you? Todays 10 games, half are Vaddi? The other get stretched, like the data shows. So, do you understand Priyank’s checkpoints, where 1-3-5-7&30 came from.
Shaun, LOTI
50 games understanding how 40 spins or as Winkel calls it, the TROT; something the General doesn't understand.
Those 40 spins usually give repeats 1-3-5-7
50 games no triggers like Taotie shite,
as you can see, by 20th spin we could have had 4 repeats; 1-3, in red. But we end -4. What does, the data posted earlier show? Repeats consecutives?
This pic of 2 betting slips is from Jan 2017. Reply 13 on page 1.
5 years on; the average for repeats of 1-3-5-7=16 at 40 spins was showing back in 2017.
2 repeats in 1-10
4 repeats in 11-20
3 repeats in 21-30; So, 9 repeats in 30 spins. So, repeats were spot on.
And this was even on RNG.
In red is the expected number of repeats. Read the stream. Work with the larger group, can you see? At spin 17 what is the expected average to hit for non-hits; Do you have any idea?
Forgot you'll need to see