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Title: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 03:11 PM 2017
This one has not been tested enough, but from one lucky session, there is yet hope? I gave it up once i had a bad session, but maybe its worth another try? its based on the most common spin on the live wheel, calculating on how many pockets away the next spin will be, and i've seen this ALOT, that's why i created this system,(it's an idea i had for a long time) and my guess/what *I* have seen is that the most common next spin is about ~12 pockets away. STEVE says from his website that the most common spin is 14 pockets away, so my guess is then somewhat accurate.(?) Time will tell, if this is true or just imagination.

Procedure: For each spin, bet 2 five number sectors, with their centre exactly 12 pockets away on each side of the current number.

Progression: -none- FLATBET

KEYNUMBERS: (2 numbers 12 steps away on each side of the current number to bet with 2 5 numbers sectors, that function all roulette tables have!)

Step 12 (Keynumbers) European Wheel
============================
0=13,14
1=3,27
2=7,10
3=1,6
4=8,18
5=7,25
6=3,33
7=2,5
8=4,22
9=15,30
10=2,29
11=15,31
12=16,17
13=0,20
14=0,36
15=9,11
16=12,34
17=12,24
18=4,23
19=22,30
20=13,26
21=23,29
22=8,19
23=18,21
24=17,28
25=5,28
26=20,27
27=1,26
28=24,25
29=10,21
30=9,19
31=11,32
32=31,36
33=6,35
34=16,35
35=33,34
36=14,32

(First test was played with 1u bets)
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 04:17 PM 2017
First sessions...
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: Normy2000 on Jan 20, 04:19 PM 2017
You wanna test long term?
I'll save you time.  8)

Put this blue text in Rx as a system...


system "ignatius step12"
// coded by: nOrMy20o0
method "main"
begin
    while starting a new session
    begin
        Put 2 to the Neighbor count
        Load Single Wheel
        exit
    end
    copy last number to record "last number" layout
    Locate Number Right 11 gaps of Last Number to record "Right Neighbor 1" Layout
    Locate Number Left  11 gaps of Last Number to record "Left Neighbor 1" Layout
    copy neighbors of record "Right Neighbor 1" layout to record "2 neighbors" layout
    copy neighbors of record "Left Neighbor 1" layout to record "3 neighbors" layout
    put 1 unit on record "Right Neighbor 1" layout
    put 1 unit on record "Left Neighbor 1" layout
    put 1 unit on record "2 neighbors" layout list
    put 1 unit on record "3 neighbors" layout list
end



Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: Normy2000 on Jan 20, 04:28 PM 2017
A quick Dublinbet 2k test...
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 04:32 PM 2017
Quote from: Normy2000 on Jan 20, 04:19 PM 2017You wanna test long term?
I'll save you time.  8)

Put this blue text in Rx as a system...

Thanks alot! <3 :)
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 04:34 PM 2017
Quote from: Normy2000 on Jan 20, 04:28 PM 2017
A quick Dublinbet 2k test...

Yes, that's bad. (But it's a 10numbers bet, that won't win longterm, i know!) But im thinking a low wingoal, ~50-100u. Then perhaps it would work, i do a few short sessions and we'll see.

Thanks
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 04:52 PM 2017
First 10 sessions tests; playing with a 50u wingoal we have 7/10 wins,
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 20, 05:06 PM 2017
Quote from: Normy2000 on Jan 20, 04:28 PM 2017
A quick Dublinbet 2k test...

Normie this is a little bit misleading because if you sat at the table at any point on that chart you would've had an upward trend it all depends on your stop loss of one goal we know the long-term the graph will have a downward trend that's called the house edge
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 05:06 PM 2017
Second 10 sessions tests; playing with a 40-50u wingoal we have 8/10 wins,

That's 15/20 Games won so far, and that's a 75% winrate, FLATBET. I wouldn't say that is so bad (?)
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 20, 05:18 PM 2017
Any method tested over 2000 spoons will have a downward trend that is the house edge to make the system good you have to have a win go and stop loss
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 05:24 PM 2017
Third 10 sessions tests; playing with a 40-50u wingoal we have 8/10 wins,

That's 23/30 Games won so far, and that's a 77% winrate, FLATBET. I wouldn't say that is so bad (?)

I think these stats are clear and will not change much, usually a failing system won't make it through 20 sessions, this has won through 30 sessions. And in my experience that's a winner.

i don't have the energy/time to do more testings right now, perhaps later or tomorrow.

But thanks again normy for the code  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 06:19 PM 2017
Normy; I have an idea- can you change the code to be a two *3 numbers sectors* (instead of 2 5 numbers sectors?), and see if that would improve anything?

Thanks
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: Normy2000 on Jan 20, 06:20 PM 2017
No problem,

If you wanna try 14 away, as Steeve think, replace the 11 by 13 in these 2 lines...

    Locate Number Right 11 gaps of Last Number to record "Right Neighbor 1" Layout
    Locate Number Left  11 gaps of Last Number to record "Left Neighbor 1" Layout

Cheers, Normand
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: Normy2000 on Jan 20, 06:22 PM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 20, 06:19 PM 2017Normy; I have an idea- can you change the code to be a two *3 numbers sectors* (instead of 2 5 numbers sectors?), and see if that would improve anything?
Sure, just replace the 2 by 1 in the following line:
           Put 2 to the Neighbor count

Normy
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 06:26 PM 2017
Thanks! <3
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 08:15 PM 2017
I now tested about 30 sessions with the new bet (3 neighbours), both my way and steves way. and it seems steves way preform better... steves way is a steady 7/10 (or occasionally bad runs 5-6/10), while my bet was a steady 6/10 (or worse)... still i must test again the old bet with 5 neighbours, with steves bet, because with my bet with 5 neighbours won ~7/10. Furthermore it all depends on moneymanagement and what stoploss and wingoal you have, i tried this time with wingoal +100u, stoploss -200. But with a 7/10 win that will not be a high profit. so i must still figure a better wingoal and stoploss,.. i think i don't go further than +50u....
Title: Re: Step 12
Post by: ignatus on Jan 20, 09:49 PM 2017
I experimented with this bet in all kinds of ways, trying to change the bet position, but still it could never get better than 7/10 (in the best cases) many times it was 5/10 and 6/10.....and that is not good enough. sorry to say, yet another failure.... :-[ why? because playing this way you need a stoploss at -100u with a 50u wingoal and the losses will outweight the winnings, I even tried betting the way i heard Ken was betting and that WAS wait for 1 win (whenever bankroll is positive)--> QUIT. that was working fine, until you reached your stoploss, (again) at 100u. so the total balance was negative in the end....so, i can't make any sense out of this bet. sorry