Evening All,
The odds of 8 numbers not showing for 58 spins is 1,350,00 to 1!
I ran some RNG tests years ago with 1 millions spins, maybe 30 odds time! Soo 30 millions spins and only once or twice it ever pasted 58 spins. Don't think I have saw it last 60!
If we wait 25 spins to get our 8 unhit numbers then bet them 8 numbers for 33 spins one should hit.
Can anyone run a RNG simulation with any 8 numbers and see how far it goes without any of the 8 numbers hitting!?
Thanks
Great idea but the progression would be a problem being able to handle 33 spins and not go into 100 of units drawdown....worth a think about this one though...
A shame we arnt all millionaires without any table limits then i think the casinos would have a problem :thumbsup:
Well that's the thing...the high progression and table limits BUT...
I only need £200 bankroll.
And only looking to profit from 9p to £1 per win!
For a human with would become very boring everyday for 12 hours.
But how about a BOT!?
Small profit over 24 hours!
My main aim is to confirm what my testing years ago showed, no set of any 8 numbers go beyond 60 spins without of them showing.
I actually tested it on 2 x Corner bets over 60 spins but I guess it will show the same result.
Can anyone run the simulation for me!?
Thanks
Statistically interesting approach but won't work in long run with bot as you intend. I can mention 2 things
1) You are not playing against 8 numbers not to show for 60 spins. You are playing against a statistical probability of an event to happen. So if you stick to the same numbers or if you change any number per spin, you would have the same chance of winning or losing. Even if you waited for 25 spins as trigger as you specify there would be still a bet against statistics to happen and not against these specific 8 numbers not to show.
TL/DR feel free to bet on any 8 numbers per spin and no need to wait for trigger. Just start at once.
2) The progression you want to be made to bet 8 numbers for 60 spins is HUGE. 60-spins negative progression is dangerous. Not to mention that not ANY casino would let you use so long progression on their table limits. Not even starting at bet voyager 0.01 as base unit will be enough.
Bet Voyager is bot friendly as far as I know but even there MIN = 0.01 and MAX for quad bet (Supposing you play 2 Quads to cover your 8 numbers) is 400 (or 40.000 units depth) This is not enough. This covers you up to 45 step progression.
On the excel you can see the units needed to bet per Quad in 2 quads per spin for your progression. It starts smoothly as all progressions and in step 45 you have to bet 31.737 units per quad (63474 units in total) to get back 1 unit. You bet 634 euros to get 0.01 cent back. It's plain dangerous.
Feel free to use the excel for any testings of yours. It covers up to step 45 of your needed progression. You won't be able to play it else where beside BetVoyager or some other EVEN smaller micro casinos that I have mentioned in older posts of mine.
PS: Welcome to the forum :)
Excel 2.0
I added also the progression for straight up as you wanted instead of quads. It's better to use quads though in my opinion. They turn to be much cheaper and reach a bit deeper in the progression within the table limits. The first set of numbers is the progression for quads and the second set of numbers is the progression for straight ups. Cheers! :thumbsup:
you guys are wasting your time. Sorry to crash your party. It's not gonna work.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 25, 09:25 PM 2017you guys are wasting your time. Sorry to crash your party. It's not gonna work.
Agree. It's the first thing I mentioned but I thought I could give the bets on the progression asked :thumbsup:
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 25, 09:25 PM 2017
you guys are wasting your time. Sorry to crash your party. It's not gonna work.
I do agree time is being wasted here
Iggiv why don't you share how you play
I did. I said try this you did not even pay attention. But i am not gonna spend all my life here with all the details sorry. I have lack of sleep even without it
Thanks for the comments guys!
Still interested in too see if 8 numbers can go passed 60 spins without showing.
Can anyone run that simulation!?
Thanks
almost anything is possible. the question is "how often". Some things you won't see in your lifetime. Some things you won't see unless you play every day. It can be very individual. One can be 'lucky' to catch this a few times, another one can't.
Not sure about this exact approach but as of mathematical/statistical perspective this is interesting.
Quote from: Gzgzbee on Jan 25, 04:34 PM 2017The odds of 8 numbers not showing for 58 spins is 1,350,00 to 1!
How you reached at this result?
What I can think of is:
Odds of 8 numbers not showing for 58 spins(european): 29^58/37^58 =7.301E-07 (or else 0.0000007301 or else )
So every 1 spin this will happen 0.0000007301 times. In other words. It will happen statistically 1 time every 1,369,671 spins. Is this what you also reached? You just rounded it to 1,350,000 to 1?
Can someone with knowledge on maths verify my calculations or point me out any mistake?
PS: I suppose this chance is the same whether we stick to the same 8 numbers per spin or we randomly pick any 8 per spin, right?
BellagioOwner - your maths is correct!! and yes i did round down for ease!
Like i said I tested that over many 1 million RNG spins and not once did it pass 60 spins!
Can any one run this to see if they get the same results!??
I am running it on a site. Not sure of its integrity to be honest but so far it is at 2.6 M and the longest recorded is 60. Once. Eventhough I have reached 65 on PaddyPower on just 3rd trial. Sometime the inevitable will probably happen. All we don't know in systems is when and how rare :thumbsup:
Betting 8 numbers for 33 spins ? ? ? ?
Really?
And how are you gonna do that ?
Btw the more you test the more spins it will go. 60 now... 65 next week. ...etc....
Just checked the progression!
Starting with 1p for 35 progression requires a bank of just under £1000! Max bet per number on a table with 1p bets is £25!
The last bet would be £25.71 (0.71p over). Not an issue!
We can actually wait to track till 29 spins to get our 8 unhit numbers.
29 Spin Wait + 35 spin progression = 64 progression!
Statistically thats 5,907,972 : 1.
@BellagioOwner
Thanks for testing! where are you testing if you dont mind me asking?
Keep me posting!
Quote from: Gzgzbee on Jan 26, 03:16 PM 201729 Spin Wait + 35 spin progression = 64 progression!
Statistically thats 5,907,972 : 1.
I believe that this partially is an opinion arising from Gambler's Fallacy and they will say that wheel has no memory etc etc. Meaning that the 29 spin wait won't have an actual impact and that 35 step progression is just 35 step progression with or without waiting spins before as this will not change the odds of the future spins. I partially agree but also thinking to start a similar thread about Fallacy to see some points of view
Quote from: Gzgzbee on Jan 26, 03:21 PM 2017Thanks for testing! where are you testing if you dont mind me asking?
testmystrategy.com I don't fully trust the site to be honest but for plain testing of "limits of roulette and randomness" it is useful for some million spins. Just don't base any testing for real money systems on it. Only for theoretical and researching purposes as first step
Quote from: Gzgzbee on Jan 26, 03:16 PM 2017
Just checked the progression!
Starting with 1p for 35 progression requires a bank of just under £1000! Max bet per number on a table with 1p bets is £25!
The last bet would be £25.71 (0.71p over). Not an issue!
We can actually wait to track till 29 spins to get our 8 unhit numbers.
29 Spin Wait + 35 spin progression = 64 progression!
Statistically thats 5,907,972 : 1.
Ok...now let's say you start to play...and you bust that 1000£ (which will happen)....
How long will it take to recover from that? (Hoping not another bust comes because the busts doesn't come exactly as the stats say)....
But the point I am making is...yes the system will one day lose, but every time you start playing (from MY spin 1) i know the odds of me losing is 5,000,00 to 1! Based on a 64 progression! Yes when u get to 63 spins without a winner...I know the odds are not 5 millions to 1 and is 3:1!!
We all know roulette can be beaten with a crazy progression and a massive bank roll...with no table limits! FACT!
How many people have seen 50 blacks in a row before!!? It's not impossible as its always a 50/50 change...the wheel doesn't remember! But no one in the forum would have seen that!
If we all could play and only lose based on seeing 50 blacks...we'd all be winners.
Soo trying to out run the wheel is not such a crazy idea!
this progression approach is unrealistic. Think how you gonna bet 25 bucks to get 1 c of profit. Only one crash will take all the money you made for many many days. It is not worth it. Waist of time.
Think what Steve said many times. Accuracy or predictions. You should concentrate not on how many spins you need the cold numbers to come up but rather think which numbers may come at the moment more likely than others
It would take me about a year or more to do that. I know its not impossible but it would take a lot of time to do it. I cannot play 24 hours a day because its boring and would just play other game to make me entertained.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 26, 03:35 PM 2017
How long will it take to recover from that? (Hoping not another bust comes because the busts doesn't come exactly as the stats say)....
Precisely -- the above question should be asked of all negative progressions. But, most people (including, strangely, some of the veterans on this forum) forget to ask themselves the above question before embarking on a typical negative progression expedition.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 09, 04:59 PM 2017
Precisely -- the above question should be asked of all negative progressions. But, most people (including, strangely, some of the veterans on this forum) forget to ask themselves the above question before embarking on a typical negative progression expedition.
Well, I did try the 1,3,9 once and lost. On grass roots. And it only took 10-20 spins.
I lost about $120. Sometimes you have to jump in to get closure.
But the problem I have with is isn't the progression. It is the limited exposure in terms
of attempts. The leverage is on the wrong side. You REALLY have to be accurate, or lose.
And it always leaves you with the question of why not try a parlay?
Mogul I've went through a ton of love spins and zumma, of course
You losing grassroots in 10 to 20 minutes is definitely a rarity
if it was me I would have went hard and heavy after the loss!
RG I TOTALLY understand what you're saying. It may be a weak link in my brain.
I went with my $150 or whatever expecting to make a few units on whatever basis.
I wasn't ready to do what you say. And I was a little surprises, but not heartbroken.
As I might have said before, when I go "all in", that's what I'm there for. Even many
years ago when I bought in for $1K at a craps table. Played (parlay) up to an $800
bet. Didn't really win but didn't get my ass or anything handed to me.
But here's an example of my life for you. Most people need many random examples of
my life and how things work out. You see some gambling stories.
Yesterday we were in Lowes looking at plumbing fixtures. There was a small question.
I saw a woman at the desk and said, "Special assistance in the plumbing department".
She looked at me and said, "I'm not in plumbing". But then, almost immediately, took her
vest off and said, "This is my last day" and was ACTUALLY done.
You like odds. What are the "chances"? 60 years of that and, I can't predict or make them up,
but I hit those odds all the time. After I package many stories in that light, people begin
to see, believe,and understand.
The same thing happens with medical stuff, but I won't go into it. My readings and vitals are
jus food for conversation. Takes nurses a while to "get it".
Gzgzbee,
I dont think waiting for 29 numbers to appear will make the progression work as we see with these stats at link:://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/law-of-the-third-stats/
As we can see after 37 spins there can already be 29 numbers left but it can take 74+ more spins before there are 30 numbers hit.
Dont forget that the original testing was for 2 corners. Perhaps due to the geometric configuration of the 2 corners they are hit within 60 spins as 8 single numbers can sleep for 111 spins
37 spin cycle:
15 1
16 12
17 202
18 1417
19 6020
20 18309
21 41304
22 73951
23 98780
24 102814
25 80164
26 47276
27 20934
28 6706
29 1685
30 349
31 35
32 5
74 spin cycle:
25 46
26 304
27 1898
28 7536
29 22123
30 50675
31 88059
32 114050
33 107055
34 69801
35 29634
36 7735
37 1011
111 spin cycle:
29 31
30 181
31 1407
32 7570
33 29508
34 83849
35 151889
36 155781
37 69674
148 spin cycle: