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Title: double dozen progressions
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 16, 08:38 AM 2017
Thought I'd open a new thread to talk about this double dozen
progression stuff. I think we get 1,3,9 or 1,3,9 27.

But has anyone worked with and had any success with the +1
after a loss thing?  I toyed with the thing that said "+1 till you recoup".

As Bleep emphasized in the other thread, there is also sitting out losses,
which I recommend. But I haven't dug into the math on this thing.

RG I know this is your bag. And I also like DD.

So any ideas or stories of experiences?

Another angle, I think, is not +1 EVERY spin as an old original suggested.
But I don't know.

Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: RouletteGhost on Feb 16, 08:39 AM 2017
Motto likes +1 -1 on DD

The problem for me is I need a ton of money to do this my casino minimums are 10 to 15

If I had $1 airball that would be different
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 16, 12:48 PM 2017
Thanks. I haven't really taken it for a test drive money wise.

I feel your pain on the table mins.  It has ALWAYS been a factor in considering
tie viability of a method just like casino distance and other things have. Like it
may be worth going further for lower limits.  Or if you have something that
tends to be more flat bet.

The bottom line becomes, "do I believe in this enough, and how much will I throw at it".

One thing that sticks in my craw about NLE is step 5 on a D'alenbert is 15 units. step 10
is 45.  So in my thick head I think in terms of $100 bank. I need to know how far it will
take me, and I'm stuck there. For now.  Bleep has indirectly shown me that that's foolish.
4-6 units becomes his mid point.  But with NLE2, it sounds a bit less volatile.

Anyway in terms of the DD, as long as you sit out losing streaks, the +1 does seem to have
some strength in keeping up, and hoping for the win streak. I'm just not sure if it should
be controlled.

Maybe the +/- 1 is the best for now.  A lot safer than 3 shots at 1,3,9
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Mar 05, 08:56 AM 2017
Mogul,
How about trying the gr8player progression on the double dozens:

1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2, etc.

Or if that's too pedestrian for you, you can try the shortened gr8player version:

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2, etc.

I have never tried the above myself, but some people have claimed that you can weather losing streaks better with the above progression.
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: bleep24 on Mar 05, 10:45 AM 2017
I have not found Gr8    (5/6/7 length) to be any good with DD`s. 1 3 9 27 burns you (unless you are extremely lucky) but it will get you next time.

I have seen a progression mentioned in this form saying only bet after a win.  Has any member seen this (or played it) and if so what`s it all about?

Like most members I like DD`s.  It is 2 v 1 so I have flat bet hoping to get a few units in front and then pack up.  It has worked quite a few times but you are just relying on luck and is not really recommended.


Bleep
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: cogger on Mar 13, 11:55 AM 2018
I use 3 double streets with a +1u on each when lost, -1u on each when won. However if  you encounter 8 losses in a row i'd increase by 2u and down 2 when won, then resume -1u down when back to you BR you had at 8 losses.

8 losses requires 36 units x 3 double streets =112 units , if you exhaust 112  press to 2u or set stop/loss limits and try again, If you get in to too deep have a look at your bank roll, you may be still ahead overall and just reset back to 1u
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: cogger on Mar 13, 12:01 PM 2018
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 05, 10:45 AM 2017
I have not found Gr8    (5/6/7 length) to be any good with DD`s. 1 3 9 27 burns you (unless you are extremely lucky) but it will get you next time.

I have seen a progression mentioned in this form saying only bet after a win.  Has any member seen this (or played it) and if so what`s it all about?

Like most members I like DD`s.  It is 2 v 1 so I have flat bet hoping to get a few units in front and then pack up.  It has worked quite a few times but you are just relying on luck and is not really recommended.


Bleep
I have down so flat betting them and pressed up 1u only after 3 wins in a row, as your wins increase you can increase your press. Do the math, it insures some profit if lost. I got up to 74 units on each once before it bite me
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 13, 01:03 PM 2018
If you have a very solid bet selection for two dozens and want to make some good profit try this :

1
2.5
6.25
15.625
Etc
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Thanatos on Mar 14, 05:54 PM 2018
What i took from the 100+ page grassroots thread about double dozen betting was that in 3 spins you win the first 2 bets a lot. Like only once in 25-30 spins you actually get into the situation where you loose 3 bets in a row (using the grassroots "patternbreaker" kinda system where you bet against a unique pattern like 123, 312, 213 etc. Conclusion: so why bet a third expensive time if you loose the previous 2 bets? instead just keep betting 1, 3 continually & should you loose the 2 previous, that wait for a virtual bet. If you havnt the patience for the 1, 3 grind, then instead do 1,3 then 2, 6, then 3,9 and revert back one step once in profit and/or win. One way or the other double dozen will always feel very 3 step forward and then 2 backwards again & again.

With a win chance higher than 50% statistics also suggest that you should reverse your betting. Aka bet 3, 1 instead of  1,3. Again taking the grassroots stats, like in 30 spins (10 sets of 3) you win like on first bet in 5-6 sets, you win on 3-4 sets  on second bet and 1 one set you get to 3rd bet (win/loss). Of cause its grindy too and you can argue doing 3, 2 or just flatbetting or ladder again.
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: sugtips on Mar 15, 08:04 AM 2018
Quote from: Thanatos on Mar 14, 05:54 PM 2018
What i took from the 100+ page grassroots thread about double dozen betting was that in 3 spins you win the first 2 bets a lot. Like only once in 25-30 spins you actually get into the situation where you loose 3 bets in a row (using the grassroots "patternbreaker" kinda system where you bet against a unique pattern like 123, 312, 213 etc. Conclusion: so why bet a third expensive time if you loose the previous 2 bets? instead just keep betting 1, 3 continually & should you loose the 2 previous, that wait for a virtual bet. If you havnt the patience for the 1, 3 grind, then instead do 1,3 then 2, 6, then 3,9 and revert back one step once in profit and/or win. One way or the other double dozen will always feel very 3 step forward and then 2 backwards again & again.

With a win chance higher than 50% statistics also suggest that you should reverse your betting. Aka bet 3, 1 instead of  1,3. Again taking the grassroots stats, like in 30 spins (10 sets of 3) you win like on first bet in 5-6 sets, you win on 3-4 sets  on second bet and 1 one set you get to 3rd bet (win/loss). Of cause its grindy too and you can argue doing 3, 2 or just flatbetting or ladder again.

Thanks God and Good Morning All.

Thank you Thanatos and DoctorSudoku.

You guys has sorted out one of my biggest challenge.

thanks a lot. God Bless you.
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 15, 08:29 AM 2018
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 05, 08:56 AM 2017
Mogul,
How about trying the gr8player progression on the double dozens:

1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2, etc.

Or if that's too pedestrian for you, you can try the shortened gr8player version:

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2, etc.

I have never tried the above myself, but some people have claimed that you can weather losing streaks better with the above progression.
DR
i bet every spin on dd once and did ok,using +1/-1 but what turned it was parlying the win.  worked a treat on MPR, but dont now, strange
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 15, 01:31 PM 2018
Don't know if lucky but hey, some results:

flat betting on last 2 dozens.  If a dozen repeats, one unit on it only.

I read in another forum this kind of calculation:
How many spins before to hit a dozen?  37/36, around 1.
How many spins before to hit 2 dozens?  37/36+37/24, so around 2,57 spins.
How many spins before to hit 3 dozens? 37/36+37/24+37/12, so around 5,65 spins.

Would it make sense to bet the 2 repeating doz instead of the 2 unhit?
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 15, 02:00 PM 2018
After 400:
must have been luck...

Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 15, 02:50 PM 2018
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Bigbroben
On the above you can see i have set the Bank to 1000 just like the dodgy MPR. What i'm doing is betting double dozen, the dozen that hits, is not bet next bet.
Like MPR i'm using 10 units on each. The bet grew at times because of parlays, you can see i had a high of 130 at spin15, the parlay to me helps, and at spin 47 i'm back at the previous high and dropped to 1 units of 10 again, you see at spin 54 high of +200.

Now if the bankroll was well higher i would have carried on parlaying down to 10 units again, spin 54 would have had 30 units, but as BR is still small, had to drop to 10 units.
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 15, 03:38 PM 2018
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Cant wait to use bigger unit, but build slowly
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 15, 03:39 PM 2018
Bleep remember a player TTTKA well that was using this method
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 15, 03:52 PM 2018
Notto, I'm not sure I understand what you did.

So you bet on the 2 unhits?

Parlay: you rebet all profits or a portion of it?
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 15, 04:23 PM 2018
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See dont be tempted to use bigger unit till BR has grown, rode this little run out by not using a bigger unit, i'm still trying for a bigger BR.
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 15, 04:28 PM 2018
True,

I tried a d'Alembert +1/-1 with dbdoz: results were a little higher but it's not worth going any higher than betting 4 on every dozen.

Even full recovery down to 1 brings lower than previous high.  It is more efficient when around 1/1, 2/2, 3/3.  I'll give it a shot and show.

Parlaying with dd doesn't seem to be good either, unless going 2/2, 2/2, 2/2, then 3/3, 3/3, 3/3, ... 
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 15, 04:35 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 15, 03:52 PM 2018So you bet on the 2 unhits?

Parlay: you rebet all profits or a portion of it?

Yes double dozen bet.

If lose +1 the bet, if lose again +1 again, now when you win parlay the win, depending what your BR is keep parlaying your way backdown to the base unit(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/15/temp_344566.jpg) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GB4Q0)

# span is on left, prog beside shown for a single, but just double so #19 at bottom is 8 but would have 16 out.

Now #31 i'm back to where the last high is, so here is a decision to be made do i carry on parlaying hoping to get to base unit of 10 or just re-set to the base unit ? if carry on parlays and get back to base units of 10 the BR will have grown
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 15, 04:50 PM 2018
Sure there must be a way to profit from ddoz, but I don't like the exposition to zero or to the unbet dozen.  Not my favorite game.

I did work though on a single dozen tracker which was doing good.  Simply bet on the hottest dozen.  An alembert progression until new high is feasible.

I'll post in another topic.

The point was: maybe there are better chances when betting on the last 2 dozen than the 2 unhits.  Flat betting was positive, but profit can melt so quickly  after a few losses!

Time will tell, or surely someone has studied it thoroughly...
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 15, 05:54 PM 2018
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Doubled the BR, but i'd say still to early to up the unit look how many spins #1 spot has had
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another 6000 to go :smile:
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 15, 08:07 PM 2018
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New high, parlay keeps you in the game
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Mar 15, 10:12 PM 2018
Nottop,
This is interesting. Normally for double dozens and double columns, increasing your bets on a loss is a recipe for disaster.

But maybe injecting a parlay (of sorts) into the progression mix may nudge things in a positive direction. Please keep us updated with your tests. 

:thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 16, 05:41 AM 2018
Doc i just spent about 30 mins typing and closed the game at R-Sim by accident, comeback tried to get game back and all typing gone, so i can't go on with R-Sim and lost all typing
Got to go hospital for wifey but i'll re-type about the game using double parlay when get back.
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 16, 10:45 AM 2018
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Another 500
621 spins holding up
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: boyd30 on Mar 16, 11:09 AM 2018
Parlay, does it mean to reduce the bet amount to half?
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 16, 11:14 AM 2018
Notto,

do you mind explaining again?

Parlay: do you reinvest all profits or a portion of it? How many steps?
Do you still bet on  unhits?
Do you use negative progression?
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 16, 11:32 AM 2018
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Doc
The #31 was back to last high, sheet 1, now the? Do I/you carry on with double parlay? Well I decided to single parlay and got 8, 7, 6, 5, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, back to 10 units on both dozens as some might think I’m betting single dozen. ( the only negative of single parlay is profit grows slower, but is safer, as if a “RFH” starts it could get to large on units to be bet and destroy the bankroll).
As you see the last column starts to get to 8, 8 then starts to come back down, on 2nd sheet it starts ok, but you can see at bottom of 4th column it’s up to 15, 15 you can see 5th column #13 circled, even thou still at 11,11 I reset to 1, 1 â€" 10 units on each.
By the end of sheet 2 I’m near to 3000, but it takes numerous spins of getting near too 3000 then it drops only to get near and drop again, I wanted to go to bed, but had to get to 3000, and succeeded.
Now sheet 3 these spins new high 3500.
Going to stop on this game, need to do it again on a new set of spins
Forgot at start of game if units are low, don’t bother with the zero, but when units start to get big, the player would have to decide what high, but what I was doing, was to balance the bet, if it comes, it enables to re-bet after next number comes, I never bet the number before always the number/dozen after the zero gives the double dozen to be bet. On sheet 2, 7th column you can see 2 zeros came, at this point in the game the zero was covered, next bet just the zero covered at the same wager, nice win.
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 16, 11:35 AM 2018
Quote from: boyd30 on Mar 16, 11:09 AM 2018
Parlay, does it mean to reduce the bet amount to half?
No re-bet at same wager, here we parlay twice, then reduce by 1 unit in this case we're using units of 10, parlay the reduce twice, depends on result of spin, if loss happens then its +1 the units.
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 16, 11:38 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 16, 11:14 AM 2018
Notto,

do you mind explaining again?

Parlay: do you reinvest all profits or a portion of it? How many steps? just answered that
Do you still bet on  unhits? this is betting double dozens
Do you use negative progression? Yes its +1/-1 and the use of parlay
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: 6th-sense on Mar 16, 11:50 AM 2018
Have you thought about putting 2 unit on hit dozen and 1 unit on the dozen before giving an even bet and parlaying if dozen with 2 units on hits ? ie try and catch the latest dozen streaking and the 3 unit bet will turn into 6 units then 12 etc
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 16, 12:25 PM 2018
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 16, 11:50 AM 2018
Have you thought about putting 2 unit on hit dozen and 1 unit on the dozen before giving an even bet and parlaying if dozen with 2 units on hits ? ie try and catch the latest dozen streaking and the 3 unit bet will turn into 6 units then 12 etc
No, but you could try it at either MPR or R-Sim
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 16, 12:58 PM 2018
ok i re-set the game +2500 from a 1000 like at MPR using 10 units.

Now logged in BR is 3000, but i'll play for +500, which already done in 63 spins.
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Mar 16, 09:51 PM 2018
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Doc
The #31 was back to last high, sheet 1, now the? Do I/you carry on with double parlay? Well I decided to single parlay and got 8, 7, 6, 5, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, back to 10 units on both dozens as some might think I’m betting single dozen. ( the only negative of single parlay is profit grows slower, but is safer, as if a “RFH” starts it could get to large on units to be bet and destroy the bankroll).
As you see the last column starts to get to 8, 8 then starts to come back down, on 2nd sheet it starts ok, but you can see at bottom of 4th column it’s up to 15, 15 you can see 5th column #13 circled, even thou still at 11,11 I reset to 1, 1 â€" 10 units on each.
By the end of sheet 2 I’m near to 3000, but it takes numerous spins of getting near too 3000 then it drops only to get near and drop again, I wanted to go to bed, but had to get to 3000, and succeeded.
Now sheet 3 these spins new high 3500.
Going to stop on this game, need to do it again on a new set of spins
Forgot at start of game if units are low, don’t bother with the zero, but when units start to get big, the player would have to decide what high, but what I was doing, was to balance the bet, if it comes, it enables to re-bet after next number comes, I never bet the number before always the number/dozen after the zero gives the double dozen to be bet. On sheet 2, 7th column you can see 2 zeros came, at this point in the game the zero was covered, next bet just the zero covered at the same wager, nice win.



Nottop,

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Appreciate it.

I will take a look. Maybe some additional tweaking is required in terms of the parlay (total versus partial and how many times you want to do it) -- and another thing, a stop loss is also a must.

Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 07:08 AM 2018
If you try double dozen with parlay on MPR, just single parlay, i was double parlaying down, like 4,4,3,3,2,2,1,1,1,1

But after 3 visits it takes to long to get to a new high, better to do this lose 2,3,4 now just parlay the 4 and parlay 3.2.1 not as above.

Now MPR no criticism really, just that it seems RNG, which Steve said happens sometimes, but if you are UK based and play in bookies, which is RNG, MPR is so similar.

R-Sim so different to MPR, most methods just win and win, so is RNG easier?
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 11:09 AM 2018
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Not using double parlay,  better to do this lose 2,3,4 now just parlay the 4 and parlay 3.2.1 not as above at 11:18
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 11:16 AM 2018
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don't you just love it when a plan comes together (Hannibal, A-TEAM)
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 11:32 AM 2018
There now you can say fail, but at +9000 would you still be playing  :question:
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Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 17, 11:51 AM 2018
Buy low, sell high...

Always leave the party before it's over...
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 11:59 AM 2018
no worry as micky flannagan
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I'm back in the game, +500
Title: Re: double dozen progressions
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 06, 02:52 PM 2018
Using only positive progression:
2-1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-5...etc.

Going 2-1 locks in a no-loss or profit situation.  Some loss on 1st prog...

betting on 2 last dozens to hit.  Positive progression is the way to go with dd?

Will try to combine pos and neg progression to see if worth it...