It's easy to accuse others of being ignorant. Very few people genuinely consider that maybe they are the ignorant ones. I don't think Earth is flat for many reasons. The idea of it just seems ridiculous. But I decided to look into what "flat Earthers" are saying. Because who knows, maybe I'm the ignorant one this time no matter how ridiculous the concept may seem.
Summary of my conclusions so far:
* Some of the theories and so-called proof is absolutely ridiculous. Like one guy who sayd you could fly a plane alone the equator and never be inverted. But if you flew between the north and south poles, you would eventually be inverted. And this was his conclusive proof. Ok so yeah, this guy was off his rocker and there are many others. But I wont assume every flat-Earther is the same.
* The most interesting "proof" I've found is some experiments in the curvature of the Earth. But basically the claim is based on the apparent size of the Earth, the curvature should be visible from even a light plane, or even mountain. I'm still looking into it. I suspect one of the people making this claim has made terribly inaccurate calculations.
* Assuming the photos I've seen are real, there is rather clear evidence that NASA has edited photos of Earth. Why? I don't know, but although suspicious, it's not proof of a flat Earth.
* The vast majority of "proof" is just not proof at all. It is speculation at best. Flat-Earthers can easily criticize evidence of a spherical Earth, but not even weaker evidence of their theories.
* I havent seen any proof even close to credible that explains obvious things like why circumnavigating the world in a boat or plane is possible (I dont believe everyone that has done it is in on the conspiracy).
Falkor, maybe you can help me with this question: If there was something like an alien conspiracy with a flat Earth, WHY would it need to be "flat"? From what we know of physics, a flat Earth would be a much more problematic shape than a sphere.
My point is the conspiracy could exist the same whether Earth was flat or round.
I have an open mind and already know there are some things going on that may be nowhere near what they first seem. I would love for there to be some solid proof of the flat Earth theory. It'd be really interesting. But I just don't see anything convincing yet. At best, I see only things like evidence of edited photos, and calculations that dont appear to be accurate.
Hi Steve, this is the best overview I've seen on the subject - how about you sacrifice 42 minutes then let me know if any questions are left over after that?
Note: the highest hit documentaries on Youtube leave out all the Hollywood movies that feature the flat earth! How convenient... :yawn:
NASA does alter photos. Whistleblowers have come out and admitted this
Not to cover up a flat earth. But to cover up alien structures and craft
This is not conspiracy. Just watch the disclosure project
The flat earth has been disproven by schools. Go pros and balloons
It's a lunatic conspiracy
im a conspiracy guy and I'm here to tell you flat earth is bullshit
Declassified whistleblowers have admitted NASA edits pictures of the moon to cover up ancient buildings
Falkor I saw that video but didnt find anything convincing.
How do you explain photos like this:
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Steve, it doesn't seem like you've watched that particular documentary overview linked above? If you did you wouldn't be asking basic questions about perspective? This is covered quite in-depth in most docus with actual footage showing what happens when you zoom in and out of objects at sea - with newer zoom cameras like the Nikon P900.
I did see that part, but the video was extremely shakey and the boat didnt quite appear to be far enough away.
Maybe check out a few amateur videos on Youtube - preferably with less views:
link:s://:.youtube.com/results?search_query=flat+earth+zoom+test
Replace "zoom test" with "nikon p900" for more results - again, look for LOW view counts, so is not a propaganda video.
Thanks but perhaps you can suggest a video. The ones I've seen aren't particularly convincing. And besides light bends with layers of hot and cold air.
Believe me I'm having an open mind about this. I just haven't yet found anything to convince me.
Also I havent yet found an answer to this: If there was something like an alien conspiracy with a flat Earth, WHY would it need to be "flat"? From what we know of physics, a flat Earth would be a much more problematic shape than a sphere. My point is the conspiracy could exist the same whether Earth was flat or round.
Steve, the appearance of ships "disappearing over the horizon" used to be considered an argument for the curvature of the earth - but it's now clear that they are brought back into view with binoculars or zoom camera. They only appear to sink due to the perspective and the vanishing point. If you doubt this is what the evidence shows - you could try it yourself - then we will have to agree to differ.
There's several reasons to deceive the masses with a globe earth:
*Since we live in a closed system and not among the infinite space of stars and planets then we would no longer consider ourselves insignificant.
*Control outer zones and stop the masses from being distracted about what exists beyond the ice walls - keep them imprisoned.
*Mockery of the masses by the elite so they can have a chuckle and feel special.
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I'm not arguing our planet is being controlled (by who or what i'm not sure). I'm just asking what is the benefit of having a flat Earth?
I mean who cares if it's flat, cube or whatever. Anyone who's researching reasonably knows something about life on this planet isnt right.
You can't ignore truths that are inconvenient for your own personal flat earth agenda
The ships disappearing over the horizon is a real thing
The glass shield over earth is bull. Goto the next NASA satellite launch bring your high powered binoculars
These are ridiculously stupid claims
I wish I had time to do the testing myself. But even if I did, it comes back to whether the Earth is flat or round doesnt appear to make a difference. I already reasonably believe / know we are being controlled. For the the people who think I'm nuts, you have no idea. I'm a reasonable person.
RG, research the DMT dome. Worth looking into, but its just a piece of the puzzle.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 20, 06:35 AM 2017
I'm not arguing our planet is being controlled (by who or what i'm not sure). I'm just asking what is the benefit of having a flat Earth?
I mean who cares if it's flat, cube or whatever. Anyone who's researching reasonably knows something about life on this planet isnt right.
I'm sure I've answered this before... the elite are mocking and deceiving the masses by doing a prank about the nature of reality and our habitat. So they have effectively brainwashed and mind controlled everyone - all part of their means for maintaining total control. So unless we snap out of this trance-like state of being confused, not caring and life having no purpose - we just carry on becoming more and more enslaved and essentially more stupid for not knowing basic facts/knowledge. It's like if your brother kept trying to tell you that your laptop was green, but you knew your laptop was black, you would say something like "stop trying to tell me my laptop is green. I am not colour-blind - it's black. Go and find somebody else to play pranks on". And let's say you became adults and your brother still kept trying to tell you that your white macbook pro is also green... why tolerate that from your brother? He has no right to keep abusing you - and you shouldn't stand idly by, thinking... "well, maybe I am colour blind"? That's when your brother knows he's gotcha! ;)
Quote from: Steve on Feb 20, 06:57 AM 2017
RG, research the DMT dome. Worth looking into, but its just a piece of the puzzle.
I will look into it
It fascinates me
I know one person whose done it. Their experience was just like every other I've heard in documentaries and Joe Rogans. The meeting of other beings. I don't know what it is maybe it triggers something in the brain that gives that hallucination
I'm looking into doing it. I've had mushrooms many times and understand what its about - around 20 years ago. Basically, reality as we perceive it is out the window. Nobody can judge until they've done it. RG at least you have an open mind about this. Some people might try using it against me. I totally care.
Its as if our lives are not quite the real thing. There is something extremely familiar about it all, but you cant quite put your finger on it.
I never encountered "other beings". The main thing was the understanding of how everything is connected. Almost hilarious how we have no idea while in normal state. But only part of the knowledge is retained when you come back. It's very strange - as if you are unable to retain certain knowledge. My educated guess is there's something blocking retention of memory, like a filter.
Again, nobody can judge until they've done it. Think of the most incredible experience of your life, then multiply it by 10. It's wrong to call it hallucination.
The thing With DMT is your brain makes it. So how bad could it be
There's a difference between drugs and DMT. Drugs for the most part are bad
DMT however is manufactured in the body
Flat earthers
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Australia is 15 hours ahead of me. Explain how times zones fit within the flat earth theory
American student science project
Camera on a shoe string
You consistently ignore the things that don't follow your agenda
Address this video please
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An artist's representation of the possible conversation between Freud and Falkor (his patient) ?
we are at a time in technological history where the flat earth theory (if true) would not be able to be concealed
private companies, go pro cameras, experiments, weather balloons....all can show proof...
high power telescopes show oblate spheroids in our solar system alone, why would we be any different
its a ridiculous, regressive thought
i can level with a lot of what falkor says, but this is bat shit
It's cool to be anti establishment.
It's cool to know lots of conspiracy theories
It's cool to talk about flat Earth ;)
It's cool to have long hair
It's cool to wear a badge with "I am 3"
It's cool to wear tee-shirts with the Hoff on
Yes, it was cool when you were a teenager :thumbsup:
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The best part of being a teenager... :thumbsup:
you still have not acknowledged my shoe string camera science experiment video
ignorance must be bliss boy i tell ya
took this photo on my honeymoon in hawaii
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Quote from: falkor2k15 on Feb 23, 07:10 PM 2017
The best part of being a teenager... :thumbsup:
makes sense
you like fake things
nothing faker than the WWF
(had to, it was fitting....i enjoyed the WWF to, oops they may sue me, I mean the WWE)
everytime you post something trying to convince us the earth is flat i will punch myself in the temple
my death is in your hands now falkor....
The earth is basically flat (about 17 meters at it's "thickest" point).
This has been proven scientifically.
Wait, why am I posting in this topic lol.
Look it up - don't hate me, I just bring the truth.
assuming this is a joke
"To a cosmic ray proton traveling at nearly the speed of light, Earth appears to be a mere 56 feet (17 meters) thick. "
??
QuoteAccording to our understanding of physics, a planet such as Earth couldn't be a flat disk, as the force of its own gravity would cause it to collapse into a ball. But, for a fun hypothetical's sake, let's assume a disk-Earth is possible. In this case, gravity would prevent you from simply walking to the edge. Its pull toward the center would become stronger as you walked away from it, eventually causing you to feel as though you are climbing a steeper and steeper hill. Reaching the edge itself would be near impossible, because at that point, "down" and "behind you" would be the same direction.
its true
think of mass
if all the mass of earth was compacted into a flat disc, the gravity would be so extreme
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 23, 10:12 PM 2017"To a cosmic ray proton traveling at nearly the speed of light, Earth appears to be a mere 56 feet (17 meters) thick. "
Exactly true.
And since the speed of light is constant and one of the best ways to measure anything in the universe - to a proton approaching Earth - our planet is 17 meters thick and NOT round.
It is only round because we "observe" it as being round because we are not in motion as the particle is.
But no one wants to hear that. Instead people think that whatever "WE" observe is the real reality - and whatever other measurements there are don't matter. Ignorant we are as a species.
You would think that with Quantum Theory coming around as more mainstream, that people would be open to things outside of their own limited observation.
For example, we now know that a atom can be "here" or "there" or "both" or "neither" all at the same time. What you do to one happens to the other (even if it's moved to the other side of the universe) - but again, no.... people aren't ready for that. We are still killing each other over imaginary "Gods" that created everything (and us). For shame.
i am in tune with everything you just said
ive read up on string theory
and many things
the fact that this universe is over 12 dimensions and we only comprehend 3 of them
atoms can affect eachother being on opposite ends of the universe
but the earth, is round
to a particle traveling at the speed of light the earth may be 17 meters thick. but if i dive into an ocean im going a lot deeper than that
i drove up a volcano 10 thousand feet above sea level
scientists now know our brains create an illusion of what we "see", people arent ready for that and you are right....its a hologram...this is science....but celestial bodies are spherical, sorry turner i mean OBLATE
I think actually we all know sweet FA and all too easily believe what we read. Myself included although i try not to.
We all need to make minds up from our own observations. As for flat earth, the more i look into it the more i see the flat earthers have really bad logic, bad analysis and bad understanding. Not to offend anyone but I've had an open mind and an unbiased look. Round.
It's not a big deal to offend a flat earther
The logic is so flawed and ignorant they deserve to feel a little shame
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 02:51 AM 2017We all need to make minds up from our own observations.
That's the problem lol.
In that case - the sky is blue (which it's not).
The sun is yellow (which it isn't)
Your blood is blueish in some veins (looks that way right ?)
We can see orange (which we can't - it's not a real color and every person sees it in a different way)
There are thousands (if not more) of things that we observe that aren't true.
So to think something is right or wrong based on what we see, hear, smell, taste, touch, etc etc is wrong.
You can argue all day that the top and bottom of this image are two different colors, but they are exactly the same.
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Yes i agree a lot of things aren't what they seem. And yes senses alone are unreliable. Your example is good. But you know even a reasonable mind is easily fooled with new things.
It's easy to think you are right and others have the problem, when it may be the other way around. It's hard to grasp you actually are the ignorant one.
So even with flat earth theory i had an open mind. And i still do. But i still haven't seen a single piece of reasonable evidence.
You might argue I'm ignorant about certain things. Maybe i am. But i take the same open approach. When theres a claim, i first want some substantiating information.
Basically ignorance is one of my pet peeves. I see it everywhere. Clueless people about everything imaginable.
But im sure on some level I'm no different. So ill at least try to keep it in mind.
There's no optical illusion involved in the flat earth... you either stop being confused and look into it properly or continue being the victim of a prank - unable to escape the cage put around your head by the people who print your money.
In our observable 3-D world the way our brains to see things the planet is round
What you keep ignoring is how modern technology would never allow such a prank to exist
Falkor I've been looking at this a lot in spare time out of interest. And it looks more like a deliberate disinformation campaign. Could be a bad joke. Who knows.
Either way the so called proof is loaded with blatant mistakes.
Really im not biased about it. Im looking for and wanting tangible evidence but cant find any.
The thing with flat earth theory is all their points can be deligitamized.
For every point they make we make an equal point
But we have video and photo proof. Which he says is a hoax
But when entrepreneurs and projects prove it with cheap cameras on a balloon what's left to argue
They grasp at straws
They really want to believe this it's sad to watch
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 24, 07:02 AM 2017
What you keep ignoring is how modern technology would never allow such a prank to exist
Maybe but i still think theres a much deeper illusion about our world we can't easily see. Our mere observations arent enough. I also do a lot of dmt research
Steve, have you seen all the movies and cartoons that feature 911 before 2001?
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=cJf_NTzCss0
Now check out all the ones that feature the flat earth:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=ErohcrzuySc
Here you can see men in black at the start; 2nd half features the dome, cartoons and hilary clinton if I recall:
Here you can see that Back to the Future features both 911 AND the Flat earth:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=EzYThRs5hbQ
Mate... it's all part of a joke on the masses by the elite who think you are all proper stupid!
Rg yes when the logic flaws are so obvious it is kinda sad. Ive seen loads of videos from people who really have something wrong with them. Like the one guy that said if you fly east to west you never fly inverted. But fly north to south you will be inverted at the south pole. He demonstrated with a toy plane. He looked serious about it. God i hope he wasnt serious. Even if he was joking, there are plenty of others who are deadly serious with equally bad logic
yes falkor i know, but it's hardly proof of a flat earth. You could also say it's deliberate disinformation to keep us looking at something pointless. Flat or round, who cares. Anyone smart enough knows even a cube planet can be manipulated by small groups.
Always keep in mind. They want us looking the wrong way. Even if it means sometimes showing us what matters to mix it up and confuse us.
But when you are aware enough, you can much more easily look through the bullshit, no matter what they throw. Tv and media is a big part of the diversion. So are political elections and politics. No politician wool be allowed to make truly positive and substantial change.
The required changes start worth individuals
They used to stick to their argument about lack of Southern Hemisphere flights
Now they happen. So where's that argument go?
Flights also go transpolar to save time
If the earth was flat transpolar flights couldn't exist
Mars has a North and South Pole. You can see it with a telescope
Same here
The South Pole is not a wall around earth
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 07:29 AM 2017
Always keep in mind. They want us looking the wrong way. Even if it means sometimes showing us what matters to mix it up and confuse us.
But when you are aware enough, you can much more easily look through the bullshit, no matter what they throw. Tv and media is a big part of the diversion. So are political elections and politics. No politician wool be allowed to make truly positive and substantial change.
The required changes start worth individuals
That's where the human behaviour part comes in and when they want to transmit the truth to those who know what to look for (in other sources) then they will put it in the Hollywood movies/cartoons, which they have complete control over. It's a way of showing how special they are: not only was 911 an inside job - but it's featured in movies/cartoons up to 40 years prior during the project planning stage. If that's not a "I gotcha!" then I don't know what is... so you are now meant to be in awe of the elite since they are so good at exploiting the masses. And this is an ancient technique of psychological warfare that goes back to when they invented Christianity with the intention of vanity and legacy:
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Ok so there are conspiracies
And references in cartoons prior to the event I have seen them
But they didn't wake up one day and say let's tell them the earth is round
Long time ago they said earth was flat. Science proves otherwise
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 24, 07:52 AM 2017
Ok so there are conspiracies
And references in cartoons prior to the event I have seen them
But they didn't wake up one day and say let's tell them the earth is round
Long time ago they said earth was flat. Science proves otherwise
But that's exactly what they did shortly after the Jesuits took over the Vatican... they got their Freemasons to do the dirty work.
Every celestial body in this solar system is a sphere
Unless the elites created a hologram in our atmosphere to trick your telescope
Why would we be different
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 24, 07:55 AM 2017
Every celestial body in this solar system is a sphere
Unless the elites created a hologram in our atmosphere to trick your telescope
Why would we be different
You still obviously haven't watched it yet then... even the "flat earth 2017" docu above has your favourite truth celebrity interviewing somebody about this very subject before the halfway mark:
Prove the earth is flat
Words only go so far
It's tit for tat now
Send a camera up on a balloon
Students do this. So I know you can
Show us
The number 1 conspiracy that you should all spend your time researching - is not the Globe Earth, however - it's the claim that Roulette cannot be beaten mathematically. Priyanka's Random Thoughts really has the tools to beat the game - believe it or not - based on a number of powerful and progressive techniques, each built upon previous concepts, from the foundation upwards. For me it's been more of an amazing journey than Christianity, 911 and the Flat Earth put together. But you have to slowly work your way out of a very difficult maze to find the solutions... the entry and exit points!
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Rich...works equally well with "I'm an advantage player" :thumbsup:
That was in my mind as I posted it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 24, 02:23 PM 2017
That was in my mind as I posted it
Great minds think alike
I just liken the biased wheel AP to the gold prospecter panning for gold in "Klondike Petes Gold River" ($30/hour) somewhere in Sacramento Valley 2017 :thumbsup:
@Steve and others - it's a good idea to keep an open mind.
And to think about things rationally and not just make a decision based on someone's "facts"
that aren't even true.
I used a good example today at the office - and this probably sums up my opinion on the topic as well.
I asked everyone - if I took off in a plane from Philadelphia and flew towards California - what direction am I heading ? N, S, E, W ? Everyone said West.
Every single person said that it was west and every single person was wrong, it's East.
The problem here is that we think of everything from our own perspective and never think twice about how things work - how we define things due to how we've seen it or how we've learned so-called "facts" over the years.
So I could ask it here as well - everyone here will say West. It's just human nature.
When you realize that you're actually going East, that's when the brain can at least see things for what they are and not what you always think was right.. Simple as that.
Many things are perspective. But not when it comes to math. Perspective is irrelevant.
I think is was Pri or supporter who said "maths is golden" - the reason Pri's methods can beat the casino is precisely because of maths - and that the proof against winning over the house is based on an assumption.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 04:28 PM 2017Many things are perspective. But not when it comes to math. Perspective is irrelevant.
We created math.
If you took a species on earth that could only see black and white - eventually they would define everything around them and have scientific explanations as to why this is black, this is white - math to back it all up.
The problem is - they only see black and white and have no idea that there is something else.
It's like the color Orange to us. Orange doesn't exist yet we sure see it - it's a color. It's not real though.
How strange does that sound ? Strange. But it's fact.
Our own perspective also was at fault for creating Gods. In the old days there were Gods for everything.
Crops, weather, sun, rain, you name it. Now as science has explained many things - Gods vanish and what we think is truth takes over. Soon there won't even be a need for the last "God" remaining.
But I digress - we created math to explain things. It's great. But it explains what we already know.
Now we see things that "defy" math and science is puzzled by this. So arrogant we are to think that when we find something that doesn't follow "the rules we created" - there must be something wrong. This has been happening in the study of space lately. Findings that defy everything that we know to be true.
As it turns out - we know nothing, we just reverse engineer answers to questions - like we always have.
There's parts of the universe where laws of physics as we know it don't work
Also what about 5th 6th 7th dimensions. There's 12. What works there?
There are parts of this universe where our math would fall apart
If anything goes against physics, it doesn't mean physics is wrong. It means our understanding is wrong.
And I'm not saying maths is nothing. Im saying the theories and things being said are wrong. Proper understanding of the maths make it clear.
The whole universe is physics and math. They are expressions of the same thing.
Rg how do you know there are 12 dimensions?
Turbo we didn't create math any more than we created the universe
The real issue here isn't the "laws of physics" vs chance.
Why is it that, in general, in the world of chaos, that it is so easy
to lose great amounts quick? It doesn't have to do with the odds or
physics. It has to do with the player.
I would venture to say that people would probably lose as much if
roulette had a 5% advantage to the player. The only reason they
wouldn't would be that you could play flat and win. But if players
played their normal way, they would still lose. And a lot more than 5%.
And a lot quicker than the odds would suggest.
question
if all bodies in our solar system are flat discs, how thick is the sun?
it packs a lot of power.....
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 05:36 PM 2017
If anything goes against physics, it doesn't mean physics is wrong. It means our understanding is wrong.
And I'm not saying maths is nothing. Im saying the theories and things being said are wrong. Proper understanding of the maths make it clear.
The whole universe is physics and math. They are expressions of the same thing.
Rg how do you know there are 12 dimensions?
at least 12
scientists know this now
we live in 3 dimensional reality
whats in 4 through 12?
space travel cannot be done conventionally
galaxies are too far apart
universe is too big
to get to another star in OUR OWN GALAXY can take 40 years at the speed of light
that is just amazing
another galaxy? hundreds of years of travel at speed of light maybe more
loop holes, worm holes, must be used
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 24, 06:30 PM 2017
to get to another star in OUR OWN GALAXY can take 40 years at the speed of light
I do NOT care what science fiction fans or even scientists say what technology we might have in the future -- I care about what space travel technology we have today in discussing this topic.
The nearest star (other than the sun) to us is Proxima Centauri -- one of the three stars that make up the Alpha Centauri system. Proxima Centauri is about 4.2 light years away. The other two stars of that system, Alpha Centauri A and B, are approximately 4.38 light years away.
One of the fastest space crafts that we currently have is the New Horizons probe that reached Pluto a couple of years ago. It travelled at around 52000 miles per hour (or 84000 kilometers per hour).
Even travelling at that enormous speed
(that our current technology has actually attained), New Horizons would take nearly
55,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 24, 06:30 PM 2017
space travel cannot be done conventionally
galaxies are too far apart
universe is too big
to get to another star in OUR OWN GALAXY can take 40 years at the speed of light
that is just amazing
another galaxy? hundreds of years of travel at speed of light maybe more
loop holes, worm holes, must be used
Stop pretending you're a space traveler! Empty your mind and start thinking for yourself...
My favorite science fact is about the photon.
Basically....the speed of light isnt just that. Its a universal speed limit and anything with zero mass will travel at that speed.
So the speed of light is really the speed of a particle with no mass.
Take one photon being made inside the sun.
It sets off ...bumping...deflecting...heading for the outer edge to freedom, eventually hitting your eye. All done at the speed of light, it takes.40,000 years
Mind blowing. Thats how big the sun is and how random its path is.
Heres the rub though
40,000 years is from your perspective. The photon hits the back of your eye intantaneously according to the photon because its travelling at the speed of light.
We only know what we think we know.
Last time I'll post it... ya'll, please watch all 42 minutes without interruptions...
Falkor, maybe one day you'll actually find the edge.
Ignorance is bliss.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 25, 03:18 AM 2017I do NOT care what science fiction fans or even scientists say what technology we might have in the future -- I care about what space travel technology we have today in discussing this topic.
One of the fastest space crafts that we currently have is the New Horizons probe that reached Pluto a couple of years ago. It travelled at around 52000 miles per hour (or 84000 kilometers per hour).
Even travelling at that enormous speed (that our current technology has actually attained), New Horizons would take nearly 55,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.
Currently ? That was launched 11 years ago - it's slow compared to what we can do now.
How is 11 year old technology "current" ?
Nevermind, I don't want an answer lol.
That's as stupid as saying "In 1904 it took a horse 3 weeks to get to Florida from NJ and with that technology (which is current) we could never get to California in less than 2 months. Whatever.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 05:39 PM 2017Turbo we didn't create math any more than we created the universe
No - We created math.
Do you think some other alien species out there would show up one day and we'll say "Here's our math" and they'll say "Holy shit - that's the same math we use !".
Of course not. We created it. We made the rules, now as we see how things actually are and they don't fit our rules - we make new rules. In the end math is only what we created to explain things. No one else did.
Math is a universal language.
It is because it is
There's no other explanation
When we sent voyager out we used math to communicate with potential beings
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 25, 10:34 AM 2017When we sent voyager out we used math to communicate with potential beings
Then I guarantee to you that there will never be a reply. lol.
Why do humans think they are the top of the evolutionary chain ? We created math - therefore everyone and everything in the universe must follow our rules ? So funny. It's beyond arrogant and really holds us back as a species from getting to the next level. I doubt that we ever will from what I see.
It's as absurd as someone pointing to the bible in order to show proof of God.
Well, it's in the book - there's proof ! ???? Who thinks this way ?
It's so convenient to have a problem and then just invent the answer - then that answer is used to answer other problems. No intelligent species would do this.
That's why people can't understand infinity - in our little brains everything has to have a start and a end.
We made a symbol to represent it - now we use it in equations, and when infinity wasn't big enough we invented "infinity + 1" LOL. What a shame.
Math is universal tg
Quote from: TurboGenius on Feb 25, 10:00 AM 2017
No - We created math.
Do you think some other alien species out there would show up one day and we'll say "Here's our math" and they'll say "Holy shit - that's the same math we use !".
Of course not. We created it. We made the rules, now as we see how things actually are and they don't fit our rules - we make new rules. In the end math is only what we created to explain things. No one else did.
Given that all of our scientific and technological advancements of the last century are based on mathematics, there must be something valid in the way "our" mathematics relates to the physical reality that we live in.
It is kind of stupid to say that "We created math ...... We created it. We made the rules, now as we see how things actually are and they don't fit our rules - we make new rules. In the end math is only what we created to explain things. No one else did."
As long as mathematics continues to help produce scientific and technological advances and breakthroughs (with modifications to existing rules and/or the generation of new rules), then that mathematics has some valid connections to the universe and how it operates regardless of whether we created that mathematics or some other extraterrestrial civilization created it.
Everything can be explained with maths. The problem with using it to beat roulette is its usually used incorrectl.
The maths is simple: payout is less than expectation.
Quite an interesting discussion here.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 25, 03:43 PM 2017
Everything can be explained with maths.
Not everything can be explained with maths. There are lots and lots of problems still unresolved and yes one day it might get resolved as people try harder and harder. What is the probability that sun will rise tomm is a simple example. There are more complex unresolved problems out there. Everything evolves and with evolution our knowledge changes. Pluto was a planet and then it ceases to be a planet. Our understanding, belief and knowledge evolves.
With roulette too the basic premise behind all the house edge catching up is spins are independent. Until someone comes and shakes this problem.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 25, 03:43 PM 2017
The maths is simple: payout is less than expectation.
Good old discussion. Well! payout is less than expectation. Who can argue with that right?
Quote from: 3Nine on Feb 25, 09:50 AM 2017maybe one day you'll actually find the edge
Yeah. He might as he thinks earth is flat. For all others it is more or less spherical hence no edge. :)
Everything can be modelled with math... if the application is correct. Everything is cause and effect. There is never effect for no reason.
Quote from: Priyanka on Feb 25, 04:04 PM 2017
Yeah. He might as he thinks earth is flat. For all others it is more or less spherical hence no edge. :)
Not cunning at all
Earth is a sphere
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When I took astronomy class we would view the ISS
Conspiracy theorists says it's fake
The latest talking point of flat earthers is this: Antarctica is actually an ice wall that surrounds the earth. Holds the oceans in
Seriously they believe this
I can prove it false immediately
Cruise ships sails around the world
Come to the same starting point
Freight ships also
If the ships went in any direction eventually they'd hit the ice wall they would not come to same starting point
Ridiculous theory debunked
The big question is this
Why are "they" spending (and have done for 2000 years) so much time to stop us finding out the earth is flat?
Thats been going on since Pythagoras? Him and Plato, Aristotle, Potolemy and that longitude and latitude idiot, Hipparchus.
Magellan, Newton, Einstein and Nasa.
Millions of them, all in on the great scam....keeping us from the truth.
Falkor erroneously believes the earth can't be moving at 1000 mph because if that were the case we would feel it and wouldn't get pictures of space
This is the lengths flat earthers go to convince themselves
I told falkor bullshit because in a plane moving 500 mph u can snap photos of the outside perfectly. You'd never know it was moving
The earth is 24000 miles in circumference. So one day is 24 hours
24000 divided by 1000
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Think about riding in a car or flying in a plane. As long as the ride is going smoothly, you can almost convince yourself you’re not moving. A jumbo jet flies at about 500 miles per hour (about 800 km per hour), or about half as fast as the Earth spins at its equator. But, while you’re riding on that jet, if you close your eyes, you don’t feel like you’re moving at all. And when the flight attendant comes by and pours coffee into your cup, the coffee doesn’t fly to the back of the plane. That’s because the coffee, the cup and you are all moving at the same rate as the plane.
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This is the simple science flat earthers deny
So falkor next time you are in an airplane, preferably from Australia to South America ;) pour coffee and let me know if it is smooth
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 26, 03:03 PM 2017Falkor erroneously believes the earth can't be moving at 1000 mph because if that were the case we would feel it
You would if it suddenly stopped lol
Quote from: Turner on Feb 26, 03:44 PM 2017
You would if it suddenly stopped lol
Earth rotation is slowing down and the moon is distancing from earth 4cm a year
I wonder what will happen in the future
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 26, 04:04 PM 2017
Earth rotation is slowing down and the moon is distancing from earth 4cm a year
Yep....this is a good article on it
link:://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/37-our-solar-system/the-moon/the-moon-and-the-earth/111-is-the-moon-moving-away-from-the-earth-when-was-this-discovered-intermediate
people have built models
oye
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 26, 04:04 PM 2017
I wonder what will happen in the future
In about 4.5 to 5 billion years, the sun will swell into a red giant, and then it will be sayonara to all the inner planets and planet earth (for the inner planets, it will be even earlier than that).
Of course, it will be sayonara to human beings much earlier than that (some people believe it will happen in the next 1000 years).
yes people are confused about this
they think we have billions of years
well before we are swallowed by the sun, it will be large enough to fry the planet....
Just watched a laser experiment
As the boat got further away the laser beam was going up higher on the boat
FYI you are not a scientist. YouTube videos doesn't make you a pro. Sitting at home watching YouTube videos means nothing.
Again I dont think anyone KNOWS anything, except for what they think they know. And most people just repeat what they read or heard without investigating for themselves. Realistically we dont all have the time, resources and expertise to do all testing ourselves.
Like any logical person, my opinions are based on a combination of my observations, and any available information (videos, experiments from trusted people etc), AND basic reasoning to put everything together. Obviously not every bit of information is the truth, so you need to reject parts that dont fit with more credible information.
And the more I look into this flat Earth thing, the more it seems like either a stupid hoax, or a deliberate disinformation campaign to discredit legitimate and accurate information about conspiracies. Even celebrities, who are known to be in the elite group, are speaking to debunk the flat earth theories. Sure it could be that the theories are so widespread that naturally more people talk about it. Who knows. But certainly deliberate disinformation to make conspiracy theories look ridiculous is not a new approach.
Like I said earlier, what's the point of a flat Earth? Who cares if it really was flat. It's a big waste of time and keeps people looking the wrong way. Maybe that's the real point.
Yup Steve
Disinformation
Joe rogan touched on it in his podcast
He said "there's stuff to research then there's this"
So right
All it is, is a group of people sharing YouTube videos and their "evidence". So he is being told it's flat
Same as we are told it is round
But being round has photo evidence especially daily live feed from ISS. He says the video feed is fake
Flat earth- giving real conspiracies a bad name
I said it before. So I'll be a broken record
There are real NASA conspiracies.
Ex employee whistleblowers have admitted to airbrushing photos. To cover up crafts etc
Upon further research I have found that when the Concorde airplane was used Cruise altitude was 60,000 feet. Twice that of flights today
On board a Concorde airplane you could see the curvature of earth.
Sorry falkor. I've watched several videos from Concorde flights. Curvature is clearly visible
Photo from a passenger on Concorde flight
(link:://:.travelscholar.com/concorde/images/largephotos/20030501_ba002concorde_31.jpg)
link:://:.travelscholar.com/concorde/page03.html
Just out of curiosity, I am asking this.
Since Ferdinand Magellan's expedition in the 16th century, there have been many shipping expeditions that have circumnavigated the globe.
Circumnavigating the globe has always resulted in people coming back to the same place that they started their journey from.
If the earth had been flat, wouldn't the ships have fallen off the edge that a flat earth is presumed to have?
What is the flat earth believers' explanation for this not happening?
Hey doc
I addressed this in this thread
The thing is, flat earthers believe a wall of ice surrounds earth
So circumnavigation is not possible under the flat earth theory
Circumnavigation not only disproves a flat earth but it disproves their ridiculous ive wall theory
Well if you look at the flat earth model I guess circumnavigation is possible without hitting their supposed ice wall. But if you continuously go in one direction to get back to starting point it disproves the ice wall anyways. If you went due East you'd hit it at some point if it existed
Rich,
Ok -- thanks for the clarification. Things are clearer now !
Ice wall !?!? Just imagine the number of ships (and submarines) that must have crashed against this ice wall and sunk to the bottom of the ocean over the last 500 years.
Falkor,
show me your flat earth from space. surely someone filmed it. we know rockets take off dont we? (this isnt NASA)
well heres mine.....wheres yours?
Quote from: Turner on Feb 27, 04:42 AM 2017
Elon Musk is starting space tourism next year
And they want to make it affordable
Nothing crazy. Stratosphere stuff I believe
Going to be such a trigger for flat earthers
Going to be just as delicious as when trump won
:xd:
RG, sure but its still possible NASA installed a gigantic light bending lens to make the Earth look round. Isnt it?
Also about Trump, he may have already fulfilled some election promises but he is making a mess with other things. One example is his approach to Isis. His solution is to blow the shit out of them. That's a typical arrogant attitude. What created Isis in the first place is America putting their noses where it wasn't welcome. The injustices and human right abuses are far worse in Africa, but you don't see America storming in there. I wonder why. The reason is not at all a threat to the elite.
Isis is more an ideology than a physical enemy they can be defeated. You can't kill an idea. All more military action is going to do is piss off more people, and make the problem worse.
I said it after he was elected, that he may be a Trojan horse. One of the worst things he could do is to escalate military intervention. And that's what he is doing. He is moving towards more, and away from peace. Whether it's just his arrogant attitude, or part of the elite agenda, who knows. But really he is in making the changes he should be making. What is the Federal reserve still exist? That's one of the biggest problems.
I'm not convinced Trump is a saviour. As time goes by, he appears to be the opposite
This is what you do to conspiracy nut jobs.
Go Buzz!
That's he bad ass astronaut who said we are being visited by aliens and the government is covering it up
Some of the apollo astronauts have publically stated Roswell was real and that there's an ancient monolith on mars moon
Quote from: Turner on Feb 27, 04:56 AM 2017
Falkor,
show me your flat earth from space. surely someone filmed it. we know rockets take off dont we? (this isnt NASA)
well heres mine.....wheres yours?
That's a good point Turner and one that's an obvious question to ask but I have never seen it before.
Where are the 'fake' pics of the flat earth?
The Concorde passenger airplanes puts the flat earth theory to rest
It flew at 60 thousand feet
Passengers used to write about how they were on the edge of space and could see the curvature of earth
Polaroids to prove it
The Concorde airplanes completely and totally debunk flat earth
falkor,
You know about that global warming thing that we keep hearing about ...... does it pose any danger to that ice wall that you say is at the edge of this flat earth?
Put it simply, will global warming melt this ice wall of yours?
Quote from: wiggy on Mar 01, 12:04 PM 2017
That's a good point Turner and one that's an obvious question to ask but I have never seen it before.
Where are the 'fake' pics of the flat earth?
Thanks.....I think its a show stopper.
Put up or shut up!Falkor...I have put up.
1) Here is my rocket that can go into space and take a photo or movie. A similar rocket that helped build the ISS.
I am sure we dont disagree that space rockets exist. Even lunatic Lunar landing conspirators agree that Apollo went into orbit.
2) My second video is a fixed camera on the aforementioned ISS. Its live.
Now its time for you to put up.Where are your space photos of the flat earth?
Screenshot from the real feed:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/03/01/temp_417468.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/11ui)
lmao
all jokes aside i like the cool conspiracies.
like the ISS feed being abruptly cut because a ufo comes in to view....or whistleblowers saying theres buildings on the moon.....or astronauts saying roswell was real...
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 06:42 PM 2017
Screenshot from the real feed:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/03/01/temp_417468.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/11ui)
They look so real it has to be true....
Yes there are real conspiracies. there always will be, but it's difficult to know which are real.
Will there always be super wealthy who want to keep their power and dont mind crapping on people to do it? Of course.
Are there "aliens"? I think it's more unreasonable to expect we're all alone. Would it be covered up? Of course some groups wouldn't want it to be known. For many reasons. Their existence is really no more "out there" than religion. In fact I'd say religion is more "out there" in most cases.
I've seen a ufo for myself. It was absolutely real. But I cant say if it was alien or man-made. 3 orange lights - they were in perfect formation and moving together so it was if they were all joined. I initially thought it was a spotlight. Out at sea about 10km and moving so fast it must have been several times speed of sound. Then I looked closer. Dead silent. I dont think it was some natural phenomena because it headed north for a few seconds along the coast, then sharply turned about NE and headed further out to sea.
we cant even travel to the stars in our own galaxy
our galaxy is so large we couldnt fathom traveling end to end
and there are billions of these galaxies with billions of planets
if we were alone that would be a tremendous waste of space
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 01, 06:51 PM 2017all jokes aside i like the cool conspiracies.
I watch all of them. I dont form a one sided opinion.
I dont know if "twatting" carries over to the US, but my best find up to now from watching moon landing conspiracies was seeing Buzz Aldrin twatting that dickhead reporter
My life changed after seeing that
buzz aldrin is awesome
so is edgar mitchell
these 2 astronauts have publically stated they saw UFOs while in space, that roswell was real, and that we are being visited.
they arent nuts, they are astronauts
My brain hurts
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The earth is flat, it expanding horizontally to infinite and right now it expanding in amazing velocity we can't imagine.
above us endless number of other flat planes that expand, below us endless number of other flat planes that expand infinitely, the firmament is our ceiling and the floor of the upper flat plane.
The moon is a hologram, an hoax from the start of this plane and living creatures(including humanity) something like 400 years ago.
The sun circle us, the sun is like lava,but has boundaries and push by the water in the sky.
the firmament is a glass and that the sand above create in the beginning, the sun has four paths, the summer,the autumn,the winter,the spring.
when it summer the sun has to go long way so there is more day light.
the stars are combination of water and sand and other things I have to recall(maybe that's it).
you can't reach the sun in this plane because the sun is inside the upper plane,it's a disc, that circle inside the glass.
the official map of flat earth society is wrong and deceptive. the north pole is the end of our solar system and the beginning of other solar system.
Antarctica is another.
new Zealand affect by two suns, and also part of usa and Hawaii.
The midnight sun in north pole and south pole is due to uncoordinated suns, but in other times they are very coordinated and partly-coordinated.
Antarctica is a continent, not an ice rim, it possibly as big as it in Mercator projection, but it not encompass the world.
This map is wrong but is much more accurate than the flat earth society map:
link:s://:.google.co.il/search?q=flat+earth+map&rls=com.microsoft:he:IE-Address&biw=1024&bih=651&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIsOrnjZGTxwIVzFYUCh26fQq0#imgrc=7cCl9eDXINCJMM%3A
this map is distorted like hell, but give much more accurate orientation.
cheers, and please open your mind, don't be cultist like eric dubay.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 02, 03:44 PM 2017
This isnt a space photo or movie of flat earth.
Where is your video. I put mine out there.
Where is yours
Disclaimer. I don't believe this. Reporting what I have found. Entering the psych of these people
The day night explanation. They've yet to explain why we can't see he sun at night if it is a flat plane and rotating above us. See this graphic. If it were true we'd see the sun in the distance at night. Also if it were true we wouldn't see moon in daylight which we sometimes do. So it's bullshit.
(link:s://wiki.tfes.org/images/thumb/7/70/SunAnimation.gif/300px-SunAnimation.gif)
Turner flat earthers believe that space is an illusion I believe
There's a glass firmament surrounding earth
They also believe gravity doesn't exist. They believe earth is traveling upwards and the forces keeps us on the ground
They believe we are not a planet but we are a flat plane. I asked someone in a flat earth Facebook group why other planets are round and he said we aren't a planet we are a flat plane
Flat earthers believe earth is a flat plane that it infinitely expanding
Flat earthers believe Antarctica is fake and an ice wall surrounds earth
Here's the rub for you all:
link:s://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki
A theory full of tremendous bullshit
These Facebook groups have a ton of believers. It's scary. Men and women of all creeds
This is a huge thing
Athletes and some famous people are on board, thousands of people in Facebook groups
This isn't going away
They are already saying space tourism through Elon musk will be played out by actors and he videos will be fake
I wish Concorde still existed
I'd book a flight just to take the pictures.
And prove all you flat earth suckas wrong
Good work Agent Rich
You are one of our best. :thumbsup:
i had to subject myself to bafoonery to get this information
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 02, 05:50 PM 2017
i had to subject myself to bafoonery to get this information
The film is being made as we speak :thumbsup:
link:s://wiki.tfes.org/Occam%27s_Razor
they key take away is that more than half what the flat earthers believe is pure speculation with no proof
and our proof they say is faked or a hoax
so its a lose lose
its actually a very sad situation
the speed argument kills me
it lacks basic logic
they say how can we be moving at 1000 mph
in an airplane at 500mph you go about business as usual because you are part of the moving object
same thing
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 02, 06:22 PM 2017in an airplane at 500mph you go about business as usual because you are part of the moving object
Not as you land or take off though.
Its proven that at a
stable speed in a
closed environment, motion is not detectable and is no different to being motionless.
Thats 500mph, 1000mph and 100,000mph
Damn fools won't watch it...
I've watched many videos about it. Logically if there was truth to it i should have found one reasonable argument or piece of evidence that warrants further investigation. But i haven't found one. And the arguments flat earthers use are extremely wrong.
At some point i need to ask is looking further worth the time. It doesn't seem to be.
Again it just seems like either disinformation or a hoax.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 03, 04:04 AM 2017Damn fools won't watch it...
damn fools wont post a video from space showing flat earth. Ive posted mine showing globe earth.
Question: where does this rocket go in flat earth?. Answer: High enough to shoot a video
Still nobody seems to explain what the point of a flat earth is. Are we on an alien space ship? Wouldn't it be more feasible to use an existing planet?
Last night a flat earther told me the ISS is a government spy plane
It was the flat earth discussion Facebook group
He showed me blurry pictures of the ISS and said it was a spy plane
I know it's bull because I've seen it through a telescope
What the flat earthers showed me:
(link:s://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/16992462_10208365657768783_3900431456687403996_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=9c6426771f9d80bd2342039bb328a8d2&oe=59735624)
What you actually see though a telescope:
(link:s://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/16938722_10155173701574828_1745794055523361995_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=ce57658f20b9338508eab4139e6ca82c&oe=5925D643)
They will do anything to prove their point even if it's disconnected from reality
They are fuc king crazy
All of the genuine wackos aside, flat earth theory boils down to a matter of perception.
Ultimately, no one can deny any other being's perception of the world in which they exist. You have no right to so don't do it.
With that in mind, flat earthers are absolutely correct in their assessment of their perception of reality.
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 03, 06:32 AM 2017
All of the genuine wackos aside, flat earth theory boils down to a matter of perception.
Ultimately, no one can deny any other being's perception of the world in which they exist. You have no right to so don't do it.
With that in mind, flat earthers are absolutely correct in their assessment of their perception of reality.
An altered, crazy perception
When photos prove otherwise
See Concorde airlines at 65000 feet
Oh that's right, sorry. A flat earther told me last night the Concorde jet has fish eyed windows so it gave a curved illusion
Funny, it doesn't show that illusion until over 50000 feet
Please
Oh my god
This levels of stupidity is unprecedented
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That photo of saturn from some guy looks fake. Finally proof of flat earth?
the flat earthers take every little thing they can get
i am part of this facebook group: Official Flat Earth & Globe Discussion
25,000 members
I joined because I just had to see what they discussed
mainly they bash people who dont believe the earth is flat who come to ask questions
i never really took the bait
i just ask questions that they cant answer
for instance, one guy posted a rocket that "hit the glass firmament that we cannot penetrate"..........this was at like, i dont know, about 80,000 feet.....what ACTUALLY happened was the anti turn mechanism engaged on the rocket to stabalize it
so ok, fine, it hit the glass firmament. whatever. i said the guy was wrong but whatever.
then another guy posted a video from like 150,000 feet saying "look, heres pictures from this height and its a flat earth! so how can the passengers on the concorde at 65,000 feet see a curve?! because of fish eyed windows!!"...............then i said "ok,. but one of your buddies said this rocket hit the firmament, this is substantially higher, so it broke threw it?"
he then got agitated and said i was trolling
i said no sir im not trolling im using your own arguments against you, wheres this firmament the other rocket hit if you are showing my pictures from edge of space and magically there was no firmament, or is it even higher?
their arguments do not add up
whenever they cannot explain something they jump to "fish eyed lens or glass window"
its such a sad thing to watch.
they think ISS is a spy plane within "our dome".....and show blurry pictures to prove it, when in reality if you zoom in on it it is not
its absurdity
they use photos from 150,000 feet and say look look no curve. then when we show pictures from that height showing a curve they say its fake or a hoax. what makes theirs real? its insane
it comes down to what they say does not add up...if you compile all their claims there are major complications
(link:s://media.giphy.com/media/v6JQKMM0Pzmzm/giphy.gif)
that being said there are some seriously stupid, unintelligent, border line retarded people who are part of the flat earth movement
one guy said to me "if you fly against the direction of the earth spin shouldnt you get there in half the time"
anyone with a brain knows that the coriolis effect has the earths atmosphere moving with the planets rotation
now a flight will be shorter from NY to the UK then from the UK to NY because from NY to the UK you are flying WITH the jet stream
the arguments some use are.....boldly retarded
but when a flat earthers argument is "if you fly against earth rotation you should get there in half the time", that is serious grounds for dismissal
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I think you are wasting your time. This flat planet is full of ignorance. About many things.
True
I am wasting my time
But when I come across something I like to understand it
I want to know why they think this and know their logic behind it
So far it's ridiculous
They haven't booted me from the group yet. I'm observing
I'm going to a friends house tonight
Who coincidentally has a brother in law who is a flat earther. And knows bashar personally
So I can't talk about this there
Also bashar is NOT a flat earther. So weird that he believes this
Flat-earthers are the new Holocaust-deniers.
The goal was never to prove that the Holocaust never happened, but to be part of a group of outsiders......much like punk rock in the 70s.
The flat-earthers are nerds that want to be heard as they are now disappearing into society as the new working class; white collar is the new blue collar.
Claiming something so outside of the mainstream garners a great deal of attention.........something that an invisible class desperately needs to be socially relevant. :ooh:
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Sometimes, it's just about wanting some good old-fashioned attention!!! :thumbsup:
TheLaw don't be silly man
We should absolutely listen to the YouTube videos because those guys in their moms basements know better.
(link:s://68.media.tumblr.com/5b3e4b1761c2f8bd4f992a29d9292e87/tumblr_nm5knmsC4N1uo7xpwo1_500.gif)
BTW, it's a flat universe.
Yes. It is. Where there is mass, like a planet or a star space time is bent and deformed
PBS string theory. Great documentary
I think you're referring to the disc shaped galaxies. That doesn't mean the universe is flat. From what i understand it branches out all over the place. That's just what we see but i think there's a lot more
And on the logic of flat earthers, that's just one area. You'll find in many fields the logic and ignorance of people is incomprehensibly bad.
In most cases it's best just let it go and work on your own understanding. Most people aren't open to learning, or accepting they could be wrong. Im always open for rational debate with people who aren't biased and have an open mind
Does anyone here understand German?
I'm betting Hitler is actually just pissed off his daily bagels didn't arrive because of an allied raid.
Even if the subtitles are accurate, it just shows even film-makers can have bad logic.. or that they are involved in disinformation campaigns.
Translator not needed... just watch more of the video and you'll see it's full of shit.
Falkor you need to be more critical of what you see on the Internet. Believing everything you read or see is going to lead anyone astray.
This sums it:
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Bagels.. I told you
It's strictly an internet, living in moms basement, lacking logic movement
The more I stay in the flat earth group observing the lunacy on Facebook the more I see insane logic
They use rail guns as proof. Direct line of sight. Not understanding the technology at all
They know so much that isn't so. Period.
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Falkor i still don't see any reasonable proof. Believe me i have an open mind. I couldn't care less about earths shape either way. The problem is the proof points the other way.
The Nikon 900 camera, they say ships don't disappear over the horizon. A favorite of theirs
If the earth is flat then it must be like a plate. have a topside and underside. What is on the underside?
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 09:57 PM 2017
This sums it:
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Bagels.. I told you
They understand only bullets...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 06, 11:11 AM 2017
The Nikon 900 camera, they say ships don't disappear over the horizon. A favorite of theirs
It takes forever to do nothing...
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 06, 11:47 AM 2017
If the earth is flat then it must be like a plate. have a topside and underside. What is on the underside?
Turtles. Turtles all the way down.
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 06, 11:47 AM 2017
If the earth is flat then it must be like a plate. have a topside and underside. What is on the underside?
That is where falkor and his fellow flat earthers reside.
Millions more is about to be spent making sure we believe the earth is a globe (when its really flat)
link:://:.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39183353
As someone who has been looking at the flat earth Facebook group I must say a lot of them are nowhere near as smart as falkor
I am surprised falkor associates with them
Their logic is insane
They are so uninformed about simple things, like flights
If you goto buffalo NY and look across the lake, the Toronto skyline can only be halfway seen. The bottom halves of the buildings are covered by water. Because of the curve.
Now what flat earthers do is go elevated onto a rooftop and take the same picture showing Toronto then they say globe earth debunked.
They just don't understand that elevating onto a roof will show more of the skyline because you are looking at downward angle
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 07, 07:50 AM 2017
As someone who has been looking at the flat earth Facebook group I must say a lot of them are nowhere near as smart as falkor
I am surprised falkor associates with them
Agreed.......if Falkor isn't careful, he's going to lose his credibility...... :lol:
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Quote from: thelaw on Mar 07, 12:30 PM 2017
Agreed.......if Falkor isn't careful, he's going to lose his credibility...... :lol:
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But do I look like I have a reputation to uphold? Since most peeps believe they are moving on a spinning globe then why would I care about any guilt by association via dem idiots?
"many thanks for posting the flat earth docu 2017
its the best one i saw so far
...
thanks again man this docu is amazing !"
"your winning me over
...
just watched it you freed my mind from the shackles of self belief"
Believes he has proof the earth is flat...............but doesn't understand sarcasm. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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He wants a YouTube documentary to sway us. Any bloke can make a YouTube video
Really?
Falkor enough with the flat earth stupidity
It's embarrassing.
Why do you think the earth is flat?
The flat earth group is all "you can find these answers on YouTube"
Yea, well, I can see a lot of shit on YouTube
Spare me
This theory is so stupid that it make sense me angry!!
More evidence that's ignored standing on the buffalo shore line and only seeing the top half of torontos buildings!! Idiots!!
It's less about the Earth and more about the fact that you are part of a prank - yet too foolish to see it! Stop assuming you were taught the truth all your life! Have you never been on the receiving end of lies and deception before?
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception
What kind of people have the capacity for deception?
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullibility
What kind of people are easily fooled?
All your life you've believed the earth was a globe, so just accept you were taken advantage of, but now you'll come back stronger hence won't let it happen next time.
Watch the docu first then move on with your life and start studying Cycles so you can beat Roulette... :thumbsup:
The logic that flat earthers use is elementary.
Knowing so much that isn't so.
Laymens.
I expect more from you then this regressive, embarrassing, blatantly wrong theory.
Falkor Im not meaning to offend you, but I already watched some of the videos you published and just wasted my time because the logic and arguments were bad. This whole flat earth thing is nonsense. Both the ignorance and time wasted on it is dangerous.
Steve, there's endless amount of evidence for the Flat Earth presented in this topic and the last through countless posts containing media yet you haven't been able to refute any of it. I still don't believe you've actually sat through the Flat Earth 2017 documentary yet - highlights most of the evidences. All you are doing is simply dismissing the whole thing out of hand without evaluating the evidence. That doesn't make you a particularly good role model for a jury who would think you a fraud.
Being offended is a small price to pay for elementary ideas like this
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 08, 06:30 PM 2017
Being offended is a small price to pay for elementary ideas like this
It's designed to look elementary... all part of the game.... but you cannot tell when a game is being played or when an amateur documentary has been produced by professionals.
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One thing I can tell you from reading flat earther groups online is that the believers all have one thing in common. They alter situations to fit their narrative
An example of this is the Toronto thing. Flat earthers say you can see the full Toronto skyline from buffalo.
One problem with this: all the photos they use is from an ELEVATED source, like high roof tops
That's altering a situation. From an elevated source more can be seen, the horizon goes out much further at different heights
If you view Toronto from buffalo at GROUND level, you can only see the top halves of SOME buildings, due to earths curve the water obscures the bottom halves of the tall buildings and all of the smaller ones
But what do flat earthers do? Use photos from high up as evidence
It's a lacking of knowledge problem. Most flat earthers are sorry to say, stupid.
There's conspiracies with serious merit. Then there are ones followed by legal retards. I'm sorry man.
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 08, 06:56 PM 2017
One thing I can tell you from reading flat earther groups online is that the believers all have one thing in common. They alter situations to fit their narrative
An example of this is the Toronto thing. Flat earthers say you can see the full Toronto skyline from buffalo.
One problem with this: all the photos they use is from an ELEVATED source, like high roof tops
That's altering a situation. From an elevated source more can be seen, the horizon goes out much further at different heights
If you view Toronto from buffalo at GROUND level, you can only see the top halves of SOME buildings, due to earths curve the water obscures the bottom halves of the tall buildings and all of the smaller ones
But what do flat earthers do? Use photos from high up as evidence
It's a lacking of knowledge problem. Most flat earthers are sorry to say, stupid.
There's conspiracies with serious merit. Then there are ones followed by legal retards. I'm sorry man.
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That's not even the best evidence! Not only do you guys fail to properly evaluate evidence - but you seem incapable of ranking evidence and combining sources of information. Here is your best evidence right here...
Falkor really I have seen lots of the so-called proof of flat Earth, and it is plain wrong. What do you want me to debunk? The Nikon camera and a boat that hasnt travelled far enough, vs lots of other photos like what RG posted?
You still haven't answered my questions. There is just no point to it being flat. There are so many arguments that indicate it's round, and I cant see even one viable thing that suggests its flat.
This is your proof:
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This is mine:
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Seriously this is ridiculous. Again there would be no point to Earth being flat. And it would be an engineering nightmare.
It's conclusive evidence
On the shore line you can only see the top half of Toronto
Case closed.
In response to Steve...
Yeah, it would be nice if you started trying to debunk all the evidence, but better still if you watched the 2017 docu and saw the bigger picture, i.e. the trees amongst the forest.
Again, it's not the right time for you to be asking questions. You haven't looked at all the evidence and there's no point me writing out paragraphs based on what's already explained conveniently in the video.
We aren't debating whether God exists or not; we aren't speculating about the nature of Earth; we are discussing a conspiracy that over turns 500 years of previously accepted trust in our government and authorities.
And I would remind everyone to pay close attention to the movies:
There's a reason why the most popular flat earth videos contain no references to movies and why 911 documentaries likewise made no reference to movies for up to 10 years after the conspiracy.
It comes down to my word against your word
Except your word is a bit ridiculous
Steve hit it on the head with the flat earth pic and the globe pic
This is between YouTube videos from whackos and reality
Reality: viewing Toronto from buffalos shores and the skyline being hidden partially by the curvature
Whackos: rockets hitting a fake firmament which has no bearing
Quote from: thelaw on Mar 07, 02:22 PM 2017
Believes he has proof the earth is flat...............but doesn't understand sarcasm. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I've a question for you mr ''the law'', have you seen many grails around this forum?
From the flat earth discussion group in Facebook. See picture
Like I said, retards
Sorry
I call a spade a spade
These people are stupid
Like, how can I put this. Oh I know: too stupid to insult
Don't believe me? Join the group. See what these Einstein's have to say
They grasp the intelligence of Neanderthals
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 05, 10:29 PM 2017
It's strictly an internet, living in moms basement, lacking logic movement
The more I stay in the flat earth group observing the lunacy on Facebook the more I see insane logic
They use rail guns as proof. Direct line of sight. Not understanding the technology at all
They know so much that isn't so. Period.
Probly none of them ever took an "Earth Science" class like I did community college. Too many scientists know too much.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 07, 03:40 PM 2017
Watch the docu first then move on with your life and start studying Cycles so you can beat Roulette... :thumbsup:
See here is where your presumptuous nature shows itself, and bogs down everything you touch.
You don't know if cycles work, or how they would work if they did.
Likewise, your presumptions about the shape of the consenses perception we call "the globe" will also die under big data. Youtube vids are not big data, but rather, a prime way to control the opinion of the watcher...like CNN...on a smaller scale.
Falkor how many videos do I need to waste time on to conclude there is no valid proof?
At what point do I declare that I wont waste more time?
Referencing drawn pictures and lines from movies is not proof. Checking with a powerful zoom lens is a bit more like proof, and the results show curve. How do you explain it?
Quote from: Still on Mar 08, 11:24 PM 2017
Probly none of them ever took an "Earth Science" class like I did community college. Too many scientists know too much.
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Quote from: Still on Mar 08, 11:37 PM 2017
See here is where your presumptuous nature shows itself, and bogs down everything you touch.
You don't know if cycles work, or how they would work if they did.
Likewise, your presumptions about the shape of the consenses perception we call "the globe" will also die under big data. Youtube vids are not big data, but rather, a prime way to control the opinion of the watcher...like CNN...on a smaller scale.
Making assumptions is a sign of stupidity.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 08, 11:45 PM 2017
Falkor how many videos do I need to waste time on to conclude there is no valid proof?
At what point do I declare that I wont waste more time?
Referencing drawn pictures and lines from movies is not proof. Checking with a powerful zoom lens is a bit more like proof, and the results show curve. How do you explain it?
Sorry, Steve, I really can't help you anymore. The truth is in plain sight. How can you not see the obvious... don't tell me you're a shill? You know Priyanka never hacked your game. You probably know the earth is flat too....
There is no hope for you on this matter
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Circumnavigation proved to be a tricky thing for flat earthers to explain
What is the compass explanation from the flat earth theorists?
You call Steve a shill but as the days pass no one can be this serious on this issue so maybe you are the shill
We're the north and south poles artificially made by elites to fool us? So we could have compasses? So that when circumnavigating this happens:
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The flat earth model doesn't make sense. It has the sun rising in Africa and then going across Europe which as we know does not happen
So as I said before they know so much that isn't so
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The explanation for how a compass works from the flat earth community is hilarious!!!
Has me in tears!!
Are you living in caves?
I don't understand why wud brought this subject to light, only for laughs and distruction, that's what it serves.
Because blue angel, this topic must be defeated
It's a growing movement
Some are famous people
They have influence
They must be made to feel stupid and shamed
This must stop spreading
Google it, its spreading
I can prove flat earthers wrong simply by driving my car
That simple
Flat earthers claim satellites are not real and that's why we use towers
WRONG
If I listen to FM radio and drive under an overpass I don't lose signal. That's towers. Fine
If I drive under an overpass with Sirius XM satellite radio on I lose signal
Proven.
Secondly, satellite tv goes out in bad weather.
Another idiot claim (no satellites) proven false
Satellites can't exist with flat earth
There are NO satellites!!! :yawn:
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:twisted: :lol:
You know you can see the ISS with a naked eye from earth dont you?
Just look up on the internet when it will pass you and you should be able to see it. I did.
Quote from: RayManZ on Mar 09, 12:47 PM 2017
You know you can see the ISS with a naked eye from earth dont you?
Just look up on the internet when it will pass you and you should be able to see it. I did.
Absolutely ray
But flat earthers think it's a spy plane
lol
This is a meme these batshit crazies use
Ok. asked my Sirius satellite radio question in the flat earth group
Answer is as ridiculous as you'd expect
They say it's a weaker signal that's why
They say satellite launches are fake and crash land in sea out of sight
K then
How do they explain the rockets that elon musk launches and lands again? It's a different rocket?
If you can't make it, you'd fake it...I want to believe but I don't like to be manipulated.
They could not see a satellite even if felt on their head, actually all you see is a satellite, moon as transmitter and chips in their bodies as receivers.
Swimming in the ocean and don't have glasses to drink water...
I've seen with my own eyes UFO's several times, whether you believe me or not I'm not hallucinating, delusional or under LSD effects.
They appear and disappear out of the blue, there are different types...
BA I've seen a UFO too, but only once. Maybe another time too but it could have been a satellite, doing a 90 degree turn almost instantly. No reason to disbelieve you. But I cant for sure say it was some alien craft.
Anyway this flat earth junk is just a waste of time. When people are fixated on an idea, they often have trouble letting it go. It's called "confirmation bias". We all do it to some degree. But some people do it to extremes.
Thousands of Americans do a UFO in the 90s
This was the Phoenix lights
That was a real UFO
Astronaut Edgar Mitchell stated he was privy to Roswell being real
This is an astronaut. Not some nut. He said it.
It's becoming not so rare, isn't it?
I believe I can recognise a chopper, a plane, a satellite and a UFO...for me the question is not if aliens exist but what do they want?
What's their purpose? Just passing by?
Do they have religion, if yes what is it?
Do they sleep,eat,born,die like humans do?
For me its at the point where I dont doubt other life exists. How could it not? I started out not having a clue about conspiracies. Then I found out about banking, the elite families etc. But now I've come to understand the story is much more complicated. I'm still learning - we all are. Now my focus is more a question of how the hell did I get here and what am I doing here. I dont think I or anyone would know the answers to all the questions until you've carked it (died). I dont think, for whatever reason, we are supposed to know the answers. Or at least some groups dont want us knowing. Mostly though I just have that gut feeling that something about this place isnt right. I think most of us feel it.
ETs appear to be interdimensional. From what I've researched and come to understand, the dimension we're in is dense and slow and we are not originally from here. I could go on but few would understand and I'd look like a quack. I'm a reasonable person but there are some things that appear to actually be true, however odd is might seem.
Another possibility is that what we consider supernatural, evil, good, miracles...etc to have an ET origin...
Have you ever thought about it?
Bottom line there is no way in this vast universe we are alone
Physics has proven over 12 dimensions and we only comprehend 3
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 09, 05:53 PM 2017
Bottom line there is no way in this vast universe we are alone
Physics has proven over 12 dimensions and we only comprehend 3
There's meant to be more humans living beyond the ice walls. The flat earth is the universe.
Guys, do yourself a favour... just sit through it no matter how painful... and don't message your friends or leave your desk whilst you watch it... concentrate... simple..
its some guy who made a youtube video
anyone can do that
hes claiming nasa is a fake
they show video from airplanes and say do you think this can be a ball?
the problem falkor is these people are terribly uninformed on how planets and globes work
the guy in the video says "you dont feel movement"
thats enough for me to dismiss him as insane
you dont feel movement if you are moving with it......ever fly on an airplane?
its some whacko who dubbed dramatic music over a video with crackpot theories
torontos skyline is half obscured by the lake from buffalo
Ok I'll watch it again carefully. The last time.
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21 minutes and 13 seconds into your video
ALARM ALARM BULLSHIT ALERT BULLSHIT ALERT
the rocket has an anti turn mechanism that fires, so it can stabilize
you flat earthers KNOW SO MUCH THAT ISN'T SO
There are a myriad of things flat earthers simply cannot explain. They make things up to fit their narrative
I will list a few
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-Satellite radio. (FM radio for the most part holds signal under overpasses, where sirius radio immediately loses signal)
*flat earthers say it loses signal because it is weaker than FM, and they also say satellites are fake. I know because I asked their group, lol.-Satellites
*flat earthers say they do not exist above earth because space is fake and does not exist. So they launch satellites to give us the illusion, then crash them in . . middle of the ocean, lol. I know thats what the flat earth society believes because I asked them-Toronto skyline from Buffalo. Only half can be seen and is obscured by water, due to Earth's curve
*flat earthers take photos from elevated surfaces to hide this fact to make it seem the whole skyline can be seen-Hurricanes spin in 2 different directions depending on which hemisphere you are in (if you believe in hemispheres :o :o)
-International space station. Clearly seen through telescope.
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ISS is an amazing achievement, mankind should take it personally that you selfish flat earthers are attempting to derail the knowledge of others
It is a beautiful achievement.
flat earthism is a disease and anyone who believes in it deserves shaming
lets not forget, back when the illuminati and secret groups was at ITS PEAK, flat earth was the big thing in town. Galileo was put under house arrest for saying the earth was round.
Really flat earthers? satellite launches are there to give us the illusion they go up, then are crashed out of sight....is that what you really believe???? SEEK HELP
GPS??!?!?!?!? MAPPING!?!?!?!
i tried to block your posts
by using the ignore feature
sadly the ignore feature on this forum is very poor
so it is my civic human duty to fight this while i see it
the way you speak of Priyanka and how everything is a hidden meaning, you are nothing more than an overly paranoid conspiracy theorist
you can still change
quite frankly, it is the flat earth group you belong to that corrupts vaccine conspiracy research and geo engineering. ample evidence links mass doses of shots to injury and autism. there is real conspiracy there. But when people see flat earthers get involved, it loses relevance.
Stay to yourselves!
I have read some stuff about this in the past.
Most of them are completly nuts and really make litle to no sense at all.
There are some however, that scary me a bit, because they seem somewhat inteligent. Some have very detailed calculations trying to prove their claims, and how the earth is flat that I have seen and analyzed a bit. The logic used is actually solid. Only the premisses they take as base are WRONG to start with !(or at leat I'm 99,9999999% certain they are wrong). So what happens is that they built a mathematical crystal arround a void assumption. If one accepts that the earth is flat to start with, it's very hard to deconstruct the logic used. (I'm 99,99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% certain that it's not flat!)
Quote from: vladir on Mar 09, 07:54 PM 2017
Some have very detailed calculations trying to prove their claims, and how the earth is flat that I have seen and analyzed a bit. The logic used is actually solid. Only the premisses they take as base are WRONG to start with !
you hit it perfectly
they do the science right
but what its based on is blatantly wrong
they start with something incorrect then base their science on that
1. Simple science suggests further away objects are unlikely to revolving around us. More likely that we are spinning. I dont think the sky is just a super magic projector.
2. Is there any proof that the super long bridge does not have a curve? He shows a picture from the sky. You cant see curve that way. Flat or round earth, the horizon will look flat.
3. This tiny boat is nowhere near the horizon.
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Such a test requires a much bigger object, like say a skyscraper and we already saw evidence of curve with this in earlier posts.
The same kind of size boat is shown below, at same distance. But from a near sea-level view. So it looks closer to the horizon. It's called perspective. The boat is not much further away.
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Proof nothing but ignorance.
4. I agree that NASA edits images. And I agree there's a lot they would hide from us. But there are many other more plausible possible reasons.
5. One of the people in the video criticizes the distance from the moon, saying nobody understands how it was determined. That's actually false. There's ample information to make a reasonably accurate calculation. And then the same guy goes on the talk about how there's proof we are the center of the universe. I mean really? So where's his proof of this? Or did he just recite that from someone else without understanding, like he accuses other people of doing?
6. Another guy says the circular motion of the night sky proves that the stars are moving and not Earth. I mean REALLY? So it's more likely that far away objects are moving many times the speed of light around earth? Could it just be that earth is spinning? What's more reasonable?
Tell you what. Stand in a room, put your arms out and spin around. Now the whole worlds is totally spinning around you. I mean you can see it. So it must be real. Seriously cant you see how stupid these arguments are? And these people are dead serious about it.
7. One way of knowing if the sun is a lot closer than most people think is go to sea level and take a photo of it with a set level of zoom and filter to see the edges. Then do the same from a high altitude. Is there a significant difference? That would be the test i suggest. But just saying the sun is much closer, without ANY substantiating evidence is proof of nothing. It's speculation. Should we just blindly believe something that someone says? Can you imagine how inaccurate your beliefs would be if you just believed what people said?
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8. No, the sun actually does go over the horizon. It is not just a perspective thing. Want proof? Go take a long flight and do some calculations to see if the time adjustments between timezones are correct. The timezones are based on Earth's spin and the relative positon of the Sun. How on this round Earth can this simple logic not be understood?
9. This video is interesting:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=iXNmj-JmrR8
But the most logical explanation is the rocket was unbalanced and causing spin. When the rocket burned out, the spin stopped very rapidly because of the rocket's fins and the airflow. It can be seen that the altitude drops as soon as the rocket burns out. This is probably because as the airflow rapidly decreases, the equipment that measures altitude considered the sudden change in air pressure to be a change in altitude. If the rocket had actually decelerated as suddenly as the altimeter suggested, it would have smashed to pieces.
10. The firmament is probably not something physical as we understand it. It is likely referring to Earth's energy grid.
11. Not understanding gravity doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Explain static electricity.
12. Why the big deal with this guy?
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Looks like he was spinning a ball on a string. Whoopie.
13. I agree that reading and believing without investigation puts us at the mercy of people who want to mislead us. But that just proves some people are assholes, not that the Earth is flat.
14. The sun is not going over us. Look at enough videos of sunrise to sunset and you see its the same size all the way. But cloud and air temperatures can cause slight fluctuations.
15. The same side of the moon always facing us is interesting. I've often wondered about it but it's not proof of flat earth.
16. The arctic poles being off limits could be for many reasons. It again doesn't prove earth is flat.
17. You do not need to fly into space to make reasonable conclusions that the Earth is round. Although that would be the most conclusive proof.
18. I'm a pilot myself but you dont need to be to understand Earth atmosphere follows around Earth. It's a big planet. You dont need to constantly push the nose down. You are not in a space ship going mach 20. Thinking you would need to constantly dip the nose is juvenile.
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A gyroscope still has friction and will not rotate even if you fly around the world. Again thinking otherwise is juvenile and very ignorant.
19. Some aviation companies not having direct flights between some regions is not a conspiracy. Connecting flights are proof of nothing. How do you explain other companies that DO provide direct flights?
20. Discounting all other proof, the flat Earth map can explain some obscure situations. But looking at the bigger picture and other known facts, the flat Earth model is exposed as ridiculous and inaccurate.
21. And the apparent reason for all this deception is for PROFIT? The elite make all the money they need from the banking system. They literally make the money.
That wasted more of my life.
Again, I couldnt find one valid or convincing argument.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 08:45 PM 2017
18. I'm a pilot myself but you dont need to be to understand Earth atmosphere follows around Earth. It's a big planet. You dont need to constantly push the nose down. You are not in a space ship going mach 20. Thinking you would need to constantly dip the nose is juvenile.
exactly
prime example of why i say their logic is elementary
the idea that on a globe planes have to constantly push down, lol
it is a huge planet
a very juvenile idea
this guy is great
he trolls all different groups of people
he did not forget about flat earthers
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 07:01 PM 2017
Ok I'll watch it again carefully. The last time.
That's probably what Christopher Greene said to himself. Next thing you know he's interviewing this guy. Gotta mention the deception; and motive? They are trying to make us feel insignificant. My interpretation: a flat earth is more like a STAGE, even CENTER stage, where we can be significant actors. It's a play on ego.
My take, this meme was started by CIA hacks, with too much time on hand, testing the limits of human gullibility. Good to know when trying to pull off more dangerous capers.
Guys, get serious... who prints your money... you are in a slave society... an oligarchy... part of a program, which includes many lies and deceptions of the highest order!
Yes, total proof of flat earth as usual.
We are not debating the existence of conspiracies. Just about the ridiculous notion that earth is flat. this is all just pathetic now.
Not a single valid argument. Ive approached this with an open mind falkor. But all the so called proof is utter bullshit and this must be said. Im sorry but you have serious issues with gullibility.
I don't know what else to say. Please wake up.
OK, Steve, I'm going to join the dots for you soon... just as soon as I get a chance... we can go through it together. :thumbsup:
Connect what dots? There is not even one piece of evidence of flat earth. All so called evidence is nothing but incredible ignorance. I said it all before.
Reasonable evidence shows round earth. You are not understanding it.
This is sickness. Its delusion. Its really not funny. You can't even answer simple questions. Your reasoning is backwards.
Steve, it's all a simple kind of logic... you've been lied to like the rest of us... but we'll go through it properly in due course. Hope you have a good weekend!
Theories about global dominance. Elites. Fake money. Federal reserve. Enslavement. All gets deligitamized when flat earth comes into play
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 09, 07:37 PM 2017
I will list a few
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-Satellite radio. (FM radio for the most part holds signal under overpasses, where sirius radio immediately loses signal)
*flat earthers say it loses signal because it is weaker than FM, and they also say satellites are fake. I know because I asked their group, lol.
-Satellites
*flat earthers say they do not exist above earth because space is fake and does not exist. So they launch satellites to give us the illusion, then crash them in . . middle of the ocean, lol. I know thats what the flat earth society believes because I asked them
-Toronto skyline from Buffalo. Only half can be seen and is obscured by water, due to Earth's curve
*flat earthers take photos from elevated surfaces to hide this fact to make it seem the whole skyline can be seen
-Hurricanes spin in 2 different directions depending on which hemisphere you are in (if you believe in hemispheres :o :o)
-International space station. Clearly seen through telescope.
*flat earthers say it is not in space, but NASA fools us by using airplanes pretending it is ISS. flat earthers use pathetic and blurred pictures to fit their narrative
As usual falkor skips over my posts
Maybe I'm too hard on him
Falkor, explain to the class why you ignore these key points, for other reasons then it hurting your pathetic theory
Falkor. Do you see how pathetic it is that all your claims are backed up by YouTube members and videos with dramatic music. It's sad man.
That 45 minute video was filled with untruths and false data. It was sad to watch
Someone on YouTube said that we are ruled by Reptilians should I believe that to
I suggest to rename the thread's title to ''Rolling Dozens & Columns by Falkor (and Priyanka)''.
Hints:
RG is the hot dozen, Steve the average and Falcor the cold, here and there a few zeros.
What's going to be next?
Dragons?! :o
Aurora borealis is just the elites messing with us
RG, why would you want to set me to "ignore" rather than ignoring the topic?
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Mar 10, 12:59 PM 2017
I suggest to rename the thread's title to ''Rolling Dozens & Columns by Falkor (and Priyanka)''.
Hints:
RG is the hot dozen, Steve the average and Falcor the cold, here and there a few zeros.
What's going to be next?
Dragons?! :o
Using the above scheme, then what would Priyanka represent?
The zero and the double zero?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 10, 02:19 PM 2017
RG, why would you want to set me to "ignore" rather than ignoring the topic?
If I see it, it is my duty to fight it
It is lunacy.
You still ignore the bullet points above
It's ok. We know know why
That video you insisted we watch, littered with Mis information
I don't like the elites or the other things just as much as you
But this, this is crazy
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 10, 03:20 PM 2017
Using the above scheme, then what would Priyanka represent?
The zero and the double zero?
Something like that:-)
I just can't help notice the use, overuse, abuse, and repetition of this meme regarding mass deception. It is necessary, part and parcel of how this world-view is sold. It seems that if people are told they are being deceived, there is a good chance that a % of them will buy it, begin the process of CONFIRMATION BIAS, and stay in that bias for years, if not until death do we part. This theme of mass deception plays to the ego of the *undeceived* who can now be special, even if in the minority. It is not surprising to me that part of the confirmation bias excuses for why "they" have perpetuated such a deception is to make us feel insignificant with the globe, solar system, galaxy system paradigm...and how a flat earth provides something more like a center stage for significant - SPECIAL - actors. Once the ego buys into this, the hoaxter's work is done for them by the flatters flattered own mind.
Were you guys no good at video games or something??? :question:
There's some YouTube videos with cool dramatic music saying Clinton is a reptilian
I shall believe.
Hmm. Because you believe, there must be some truth to it. I shall believe too.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 11, 10:23 AM 2017
There's some YouTube videos with cool dramatic music saying Clinton is a reptilian
I shall believe.
You believe in aliens for crying out loud! All we are saying is that the authorities do not have our best interests at heart - one of their many deceptions/conspiracies/false flags/hoaxes is the globe earth. Even our previous generation knew something was up with the moon landings and the JFK assassination...
How many Malaysian jets went missing?
link:s://nodisinfo.com/fake-tears-malaysian-airlines-hoax/
yes. there are conspiracies that global elites are a part of. JFK was certainly one as is the federal reserve and medicine.
have there been false flags? yes. is everything a false flag? NO! not like flat earthers believe. The flat earth group is full of crazy conspiracies. Takes light away from the legit ones.
I am on the same page as you on some things
But flat earth? stupid. stupid.
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You mentioned aliens. Of course I believe in aliens. I took astronomy. I know all about the drake equation. Drake equation is just about certain we are not alone in this universe.
You have billions of galaxies. We can't even travel within our own galaxy it is so vast.
In each galaxy trillions of stars with billions of planets. In BILLIONS of galaxies.
Astronaut edgar mitchell says he is privy to the fact aliens are real, he said it not me. Watch the interview.
Now do you believe this?
You do not believe this because the flat earth theory states space is not real. It states that stars are lights on a firmament to fool us.
Absolutely elementary. The flat earth theory is one of the most pathetic elementary things I have ever heard. They use proofs that aren't even legitimate, like the rocket that stabilizes itself or toronto from a rooftop in buffalo
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I say flat earthers know so much that isn't so because in that video you begged us to watch there was a part where a rocket stopped spinning, and this was used as some sort of proof. What the genius youtuber did not realize as he was making the video in his parents basement, engineers designed the rocket with thrusters to stablize it at desired height.
Know so much that isn't so??? Yea, believing that you can use cycles to increase your edge at roulette.
the edge never changes unless a bias or physics is used.
You won't change the roulette house edge, yet you seem to think priyankas cycles can, just as you think the earth is flat
Part of me thinks you do not even believe flat earth. Since day one on this forum you have done strange things.....you might be a shill
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 11, 02:56 PM 2017
the edge never changes unless a bias or physics is used.
You won't change the roulette house edge, yet you seem to think priyankas cycles can, just as you think the earth is flat
Rich,
Two excellent points you made above.
The house edge can only change if there is an existing wheel bias or if visual ballistics (physics) is used.
Some bet selections may be better than others, but played over time, every bet selection will still conform (it has to) to the house edge.
Two truisms that sometimes we forget in our irrational exuberance to find the holy grail on these online forums.
Assumptions, assumptions... I told you many times already that cycles can beat Roulette.... (link:://rarekungfumovies.com/private/CyclesSimulation.html)
So it's high time you started considering the Flat Earth alongside all the other conspiracies that you already know are no longer just theories! The above simulation has less than half the amount of placed bets it should have, so if I were to add all the bets to it then the graph would be much steeper over a shorter period of time - though not as steep as what Priyanka can achieve.
Go drink some fluoride in your tap water... might get those neurons working properly.
Fluoride is a carcinogen and has been removed from Long Island drinking water as per great neck water authority. Google it.
Falkor the page about the missing flight is also full of shit. No proof, just speculation, bad logic and opinions. The person who made that page should be shot.
Why are you so gullible? Its a serious problem. The internet is full of bullshit from crackpots.
Steve, the fact that the Back to the Future videos are not ringing any alarm bells with you shows how little you understand psychological warfare/mind control. Globe Earth has only been 500 years. The Christianity prank has been going on for 2,000 years... 3 Malaysian jets going missing in short succession... I would love to see you guys get interviewed and tested on whether you understood dark comedy, i.e. in movies and whatnot... that would be so entertaining to watch. You guys are all part of a sophisticated mockery - yet you take everything too serious and literal if you know what I mean - cannot see the satire. And it seems like it's impossible to teach people these kinds of skills, alas...
For example, have you heard the story in the bible about the the demons that entered a herd of swine/pigs and were driven over a bank into the water? :twisted:
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Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 06:42 PM 2017
Why are you so gullible? Its a serious problem. The internet is full of bullshit from crackpots.
This is what takes away from the real conspiracies. The crackpot ones
Real things like gmo cancer link, FDA being in big pharmas pockets etc etc
Plenty of real things to care about
Ok now i get it Youre actually joking.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 09:44 PM 2017
Ok now i get it Youre actually joking.
This is what Ive been saying
He's playing us for fools
Since day one
Millionaires system?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 11, 09:57 PM 2017
This is what Ive been saying
He's playing us for fools
Since day one
Millionaires system?
Sorry RG,
Steve has made it clear that this is a free speech forum........not a roulette forum.
Falkor can fabricate whatever info he wants as long as he follows the rules of the forum.
Guess the liberals and SJWs won this round............sad. :sad2:
Sjw you say?
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Falkor has a new Holy Grail!!!
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In addition to being a free speech forum, there will no making fun of minority groups.
So please don't post hurtful material about bitter fat ugly man-hating ****s who no man wants to copulate with.
Falkor im seriously starting to think you might actually just be deliberately pretending to believe the flat earth and malaysian airlines crap, and who knows what else. Why? Maybe to mess with our heads.
In any case, the way i see it now is the discussions have gone past the point of mildly interesting and well into omfgwtf area. If you were at least responding to simple questions instead of posting more random and equally ridiculous videos, it would be more tolerable. But your logic and dodging questions is not an intelligent debate. Its complete nonsense.
If you aren't going to respond to basic questions, we will just lock the topic and ill ask you keep your unsubstantiated wild theories off this forum. It just degrades the forum and wastes everyone's time. What you are doing discredits legitimate conspiracies.
If you are really believing the crap you claim to believe and really have such bad logic and ignore very basic physics, then I'm not sure this is the right forum for you.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 09:44 PM 2017
Ok now i get it Youre actually joking.
I'm not the one playing the pranks here... I'm simply showing you the pranks that the elite are playing on you guys, such as getting you to take the bible seriously or believe you are currently living on a spinning ball. It couldn't be clearer with the Men in Black clips in that Flat Earth documentary, looking down on the sheep in the dungeons.
Steve, just relax and sit still for a minute... do you really feel like you are moving with the earth right now through space??? Imagine you are suspended in mid-air; would the ground move underneath you? NO! Now look up at the dome/firmament with the best technology you can get access to... why is the sun the same size as the moon? Why do the stars and wandering stars look nothing like NASA's CGI/Photoshop? Why do you always see the same 2D image of the moon - why nothing of the dark-side to indicate a 3D body?
So the oligarchs aren't just lying to you or deceiving you... it's all part of one big joke to play you and other unfortunate victims who do not understand dark comedy/satire or how sophisticated lies and deceptions can become - to the point where you are programmed to respond with redicule and accuse people of being crazy if they try to alert you to the fact.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 12, 10:14 AM 2017
do you really feel like you are moving with the earth right now through space??? Imagine you are suspended in mid-air; would the ground move underneath you? NO! Now look up at the dome/firmament with the best technology you can get access to...
Oh my god
Falkor the atmosphere moves with the planet. That's why if you jump you land in the same spot
If you jump in an airplane you land in the same spot right?
To know that one of your arguments is "if you are suspended in air if the earth was moving it would move beneath you" is just the most stupid argument I've ever heard
You can't be for real. It's a joke
You don't feel a moving body if moving with it
RG, you are only regurgitating what you have been brainwashed with... the point of this topic is to think for yourself instead of outsourcing your thinking.
I am thinking for myself
If I jump in an airplane the floor doesn't move beneath me
Same on a train. At a constant speed you cannot detect motion
So why can't we all feel it? The answer lies in the nature of Earth's movement. Think of being on an aeroplane when it's smoothly travelling at a constant speed and constant altitude. You've unbuckled your seatbelt to go on a walk down the aisle, but you can't feel the movement of the plane. The reason is simple: you, the plane, and everything else inside it is travelling at the same speed. In order to perceive the movement of the plane, you have to glance at the clouds outside.
In that analogy earth is the airplane and the cosmos are the clouds
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 11:30 AM 2017
So why can't we all feel it? The answer lies in the nature of Earth's movement. Think of being on an aeroplane when it's smoothly travelling at a constant speed and constant altitude. You've unbuckled your seatbelt to go on a walk down the aisle, but you can't feel the movement of the plane. The reason is simple: you, the plane, and everything else inside it is travelling at the same speed. In order to perceive the movement of the plane, you have to glance at the clouds outside.
In that analogy earth is the airplane and the cosmos are the clouds
But once you are suspended in mid-air above the plane then the plane will leave you behind - but the earth does not leave you behind.
Ok so pretend you believe in globe earth for one second
What is the science behind you jumping and the earths rotation leaving you behind and not in the same place
Please please please tell me you do not believe what he said in that video. That's the most insane thing I've ever seen
The atmosphere moves with the planet
Excuse me though I am laughing. The official flat earth discussion Facebook group members think that meteorites are large water droplets. That's how they explain craters on earth
Bahahhahabababbaba. Hahahahaha
:twisted:
FYI my drone needs satellite signal for its gps to function
Spoiler alert, when I try it indoors it doesn't work
But according to you guys satellites don't exist either
QuoteThe atmosphere moves with the planet
That's only what you've been told to believe - but I would remind you that the conspiracy involves them lying to you on a massive scale. So you cannot use their claims as evidence, i.e. do not outsource your thinking!
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Falkor...your basic understanding of newtons laws are very poor. According to you...if I toss an apple up sat on an aeroplane...it should smash me in the face at 500mph
My 10 year old neice knows thats crap.
All planets in this solar system spin
My personal proof of this is the day. Night and day
It's simple
Quote from: Turner on Mar 12, 11:54 AM 2017
Falkor...your basic understanding of newtons laws are very poor. According to you...if I toss an apple up sat on an aeroplane...it should smash me in the face at 500mph
My 10 year old neice knows thats crap.
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From your Christmas grail a couple of years ago that got you banned to the millionaire system to this
I believe you are not for real
Steve. Please install an ignore member feature that WORKS
Quote from: Turner on Mar 12, 11:54 AM 2017
According to you...if I toss an apple up sat on an aeroplane...it should smash me in the face at 500mph
Wait.
You mean this never happened to you??
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You have to realize that the only time we realize the truth is when we are drunk...then we sense the Earth's rotation within our heads, then "masks" fall and our true-selves come out, it's the only state/time where reality exists!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 12:31 PM 2017
Wait.
You mean this never happened to you??
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Congratulations for your 666 and 6 post!
So the leader of that Facebook group believes meteorite craters are caused by heavy rain in one spot for a long time
Because they believe space doesn't exist which means asteroids don't exist
I attached a meme they use
I don't know whether to laugh or be sad
Falkor this is a stupid joke
There's all kinds of unexplained geography, but it's not the main point...
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramid_claims
You guys need to research more about human behaviour, i.e. how they like to play pranks on people - particularly using the media. This includes understanding symbolism. Do you think the Flat Earth clock and props just appear in various movies by accident?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 11:55 AM 2017
All planets in this solar system spin
My personal proof of this is the day. Night and day
It's simple
Thank you for pointing us the elephant inside the room.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 12, 05:20 PM 2017
There's all kinds of unexplained geography, but it's not the main point...
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramid_claims
You guys need to research more about human behaviour, i.e. how they like to play pranks on people - particularly using the media. This includes understanding symbolism. Do you think the Flat Earth clock and props just appear in various movies by accident?
If you want to see flat earth, then flat earth would be all you see...the world you be is the world you see.
Since you believe space is fake where do meteors come from. The ones that cause explosions and craters
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 06:30 PM 2017
Since you believe space is fake where do meteors come from. The ones that cause explosions and craters
Debating a minor point like meteors isn't going to influence our positions on the matter. The real hardcore evidence is what needs to be looked at first and foremost - namely the Go pro awards logo and UN logo using the flat earth map and olive branch symbolism from Freemasonry not to mention appearing in countless movies and cartoons that other conspiracies are dependent on.
minor point?
what are they?
the general consensus in the flat earth group on facebook is that the craters are caused by heavy rain in that one area only since meteors do not exist...
some say past nukes
my brain cannot comprehend this stupidity....
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 07:06 PM 2017
the general consensus in the flat earth group on facebook is that the craters are caused by heavy rain in that one area only since meteors do not exist...
some say past nukes
my brain cannot comprehend this stupidity....
Straw man alert... also the Flat Earth Society is hired opposition to downgrade genuine Flat Earth research.
we go roundy round
let the thread die
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 12, 07:28 PM 2017genuine Flat Earth research.
just send a rocket up to 1000 miles with a camera and take a picture of flat earth. Why has no one done that yet?
Are you going to respond to that?
Nope
Steve, I am locking this stupid thread as you suggested. Feel free to unlock it if you feel I have been hasty :o
Turner i wasnt far off locking it myself. I've never seen such ignorance, bad logic and delusion. Its not productive for anyone.
Falkor im really not meaning to offend you but you really need to take a much better look at things.