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Title: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Feb 27, 10:58 AM 2017
NO - It's not "Attention Deficit Disorder"!   :twisted:

I thought it worth revisiting this double dozen system from member 'Dino' posted some time ago...

Quote
Against Dominant Dozen (or ADD for short)
=================================
 
I'm sure this concept is not new to all the hardened Matrix players out there.
 
This idea i have only just thought up and welcome any thoughts and questions.
 
Best way to describe for me is to show what happens in actual Game-Play using B+M Live-De
aler spins.
 
111
 
123    NB(DUE TO 111)
 
121    NB(DUE TO 123)
 
331    W1(BET AGAINST DOMINANT D1 IN ABOVE LINE)
 
111    W1(BET AGAINST DOMINANT D3 IN ABOVE LINE)
 
311    NB(DUE TO 111)
 
212    W1(BET AGAINST DOMINANT D1 IN ABOVE LINE)
 
213    W2(BET AGAINST DOMINANT D2 IN ABOVE LINE)
 
212    NB(DUE TO 213)
 
113    W1( BET AGAINST DOMINANT D2 IN ABOVE LINE) ETC.
 
221    W1
 
112    W1
 
333    W1
 
332    NB
 
312    W2
 
131    NB
 
322    W1
 
133    W1
 
211    W1
 
W1 = WON ON 1ST BET.
W2 = WON ON 2ND BET
 
Regards.
 
Dino.

OK - so easy simple rules.
In addition I only bet max of TWICE in a row.
If lose both bets (1-1; 2-2) then loss = -6

Here is a session I tried today:

@=against
nb=no bet
w1st=won on first bet (1-1)
w2nd=won on second bet (2-2)

In this system you NEVER bet higher than 2u on each dozen - so no big drawdowns!

In fact if you DO get a couple of bad results its worth considering to end session... butttt....up to you to decide when to quit.

A win on the second bet means a DRAW for that round.

(Could be used as a complementary system to another method being played perhaps too)

231              nb
223             @2
122  w1st    @2                   +1
232  w2nd   @2                   +1
012  w2nd    nb due to 0     +1
222              nb
313              @3
132  w1st     nb                   +2
313              @3
121  w1st     @1                  +3
121  w2nd    @1                  +3
313  w1st     @1                  +4
223  w1st     @2                  +5
131  w1st     @1                  +6
330               nb
323              @3
213  w1st     nb                   +7
331              @3
232  w1st     @2                  +8
123  w1st     nb                   +9
333              nb
213              nb
112              @1
122  w2nd    @2                  +9
112  w1st     @1                  +10
213  w1st     nb                   +11
330              nb
321              nb
122              @2
231  w2nd    nb                  +11
232              @2
231 w2nd     nb                  +11
223              @2
212 w2nd    @2                  +11
201              nb
321              nb
223              @2
333  w1st     nb                  +12
132              nb
132              nb
210              nb
222              nb
233              @3
333 L-L        nb                  +6
113              @1
311 w1st      @1                 +7
132 w2nd     nb                  +7
211               @1
233               @3
123 w1st      nb                  +8
333              nb
212              @2
213 w2nd     nb                  +8
332              @3
133 w1st      @3                 +9
322 w2nd     @2                 +9
312 w1st      nb  *stop        +10u profit.

 :smile:
A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Feb 27, 11:29 AM 2017
Dozens and columns same time

 :love:
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Feb 27, 04:48 PM 2017
Hi Atlantis,

Good shout this.  So easy to play.  Dozens/columns at same time depending on qualifiers.

One thing that I have changed is that I am playing 1-1   3-3.     I reckoned that the extra units won would make up for a loss and if a loss did not come along then more in front.  Even if 2 losses come along we are not talking mega bucks. It is only 4 units extra less what you have won by betting 3-3
   

Played this and am up 20 units despite one loss (8 units)    About an hour play whilst I settled in to it.
Wonder if it can be botted?     (Leave it running all night)
Brian
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Feb 28, 10:05 AM 2017
Played this today on and off.  Well in front overall.   Did have a few losses which were soon recovered.  You know what you are betting on.  What the stakes are:  What your loss could be.      Betting both dozens and columns when qualifying.

Great call.

Brian
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Feb 28, 10:08 AM 2017
Mogul should like this.    It is a two step.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Feb 28, 10:14 AM 2017
I like how

333 is a non trigger

Avoids streaks

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Feb 28, 11:00 AM 2017
Hi,

Only just got round to trying a quickie real money session.

131                    @1
312  w+1            nb         
333                    nb
331                    @3
223  w+1            @2
122  w+1            @2
122  w+1            @2
103  w+1            nb
110                     nb
112                     @1
2--   w+1             end

+6

Credit to Dino for this one.
Great result for a first try - all first bet wins  :ooh:

Flawless!


:)

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Feb 28, 11:06 AM 2017
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Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 28, 12:11 PM 2017
How does it apply to this? Kind of like the ying and the yang.

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1376.0
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 28, 12:12 PM 2017
Mogul should like this.    It is a two step.

I do.  See the other link below.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 28, 12:15 PM 2017
Silly question. Do you always wait for the next group or 3 spins?

Example.

(zumma ppage 101, 2nd columb)
1 3 2 3 3/ *1* 3 3 1 2 2

Do you wait for 3 more spins, or does the "3 3 1" give you another setup?
Or is it the beginning of avoiding bad bets?
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 28, 12:17 PM 2017
Isn't it a little like, when you see two in a row, bet twice against 3-4?

The difference in betting against 3 in a row is that you give it two shots.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 28, 12:21 PM 2017
Inevitable sleepers kill this thing.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 28, 12:27 PM 2017
The thread I posted...

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1376.0

Is about single dozen.  Perhaps betting for a repeat of the previous
2 dozen when you get 2 within 3 for 2 bets would help.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Feb 28, 12:42 PM 2017
Isn't it a little like, when you see two in a row, bet twice against 3-4?

The difference in betting against 3 in a row is that you give it two shots.


Quote
Silly question. Do you always wait for the next group or 3 spins?

Example.

(zumma ppage 101, 2nd columb)
1 3 2 3 3/ *1* 3 3 1 2 2

Do you wait for 3 more spins, or does the "3 3 1" give you another setup?
Or is it the beginning of avoiding bad bets?

Hi mogul,

Why confusion about play?
It's all laid out above. System is called "AGAINST Dominant Dozens"
When you get a triplet containing 2 same and 1 different - trigger to bet for up to 2 times AGAINST the dominant.

eg: 112 - bet against 1     
eg: 212 - bet against 2
eg: 133 -  bet against 3

111,222,333 and also 123,132, 213, 231, 312, 321 are no bets
And any triplet containing a 0 is a no bet. eg: 110, 120, 001

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Feb 28, 12:44 PM 2017
A sore the says "pull" confuses mogul

 :xd:

(Jk)
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Feb 28, 12:55 PM 2017
*door

Not sore

Thanks for the 2 minute edit time steve
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Feb 28, 03:12 PM 2017
The thread I posted...

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1376.0

Is about single dozen.  Perhaps betting for a repeat of the previous
2 dozen when you get 2 within 3 for 2 bets would help.


Hi mogul - Quite Interesting!  :)
OK - Let's switcheroo it round then!

Here's my previous results again but this time just betting FOR the dominant doz instead of against...

This time I use very mild single doz progression (highest was 2u in my test or can use eg: GLAT progression)
Also I bet three times as opposed to just 2 in the "against" version.

231             
223             
122  L1;w2                                    +1
232  w2                                         +3
012 
222         
313             
132  L1;w2                                    +4
313             
121  L1;L1;L1  (now up to 2u)       +1
121  w4                                         +5
313  L1; w2                                   +6
223 
131  L1;L1;L1                               +3
330             
323             
213  L2; L2; w4                             +3
331           
232  L2; w4                                   +5
123  L1; w2                                   +6
333             
213             
112             
122  w2                                         +7
112  L1; L1; w2                             +7
213  L1; w2                                   +8
330   
321             
122             
231  w2                                        +10
232             
231  w2                                        +12
223             
212  w2                                        +14
201             
321             
223             
333  L1; L1; L1   (up to 2)            +11
132             
132             
210             
222             
233             
333 w4                                         +15
113             
311 L1; w2                                    +16
132 w2
211               
233 L1; L1 ;L1  (up to 2)              +13           
123
333   
212     
213 w4                                         +17
332             
133 L1; w2                                   +18
322 w2                                         +20
312 L1; L1; w2                             +20

Seems that +10pts more than the A.D.D. way.

 :ooh: :smile: :twisted:

Good Luck (if you need it!!!)
Thanks,

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Feb 28, 04:09 PM 2017
It is not sleepers that kill this, it is repeaters.

Played a session today.  Came out a touch in front.  6 steps forward - 6 steps back so still pretty good.

Will have another session tomorrow and see how it goes.

Brian
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Feb 28, 04:14 PM 2017
So.... 1 3 9 27 81

??

 :twisted:
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Feb 28, 04:16 PM 2017
I should have said 7 steps forward, 6 steps back.  Also posted about repeaters before seeing change of method.  Obviously now repeaters are good.

Bleep
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Feb 28, 04:17 PM 2017
No RG, we are not going down that road.  We all know where it ends.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Feb 28, 04:46 PM 2017
On a serious note

On the original ADD

The general consensus is betting only the 1st two bets of the matrix with a 1-1 and is a loss a 2-2??
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: thelaw on Feb 28, 06:03 PM 2017
Lanky's Divisor would be a more conservative progression for this bet selection.

Perhaps looking for +1 unit per hour of play (50-60spins) + an emergency progressive bank (100-200-400-800) after a certain loss limit is reached would create a full-proof method for long-term play.

Not exciting.........but very profitable, as the betting range would stay pretty limited.......so well under the table limits at all times. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 28, 08:56 PM 2017
It was just a thought question. Because in real time you can get the
impression that it is a rolling method.

After all, just because you just played one trigger, doesn't mean that you
couldn't fall into the next trigger. And what's to say that that would be
where you entered play?
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 28, 08:57 PM 2017
*door

Not sore

Thanks for the 2 minute edit time steve

You were right the first time.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: mogul397 on Feb 28, 09:03 PM 2017

Hi mogul - Quite Interesting!  :)
OK - Let's switcheroo it round then!

Here's my previous results again but this time just betting FOR the dominant doz instead of against...

This time I use very mild single doz progression (highest was 2u in my test or can use eg: GLAT progression)
Also I bet three times as opposed to just 2 in the "against" version.

231             
223             
122  L1;w2                                    +1
232  w2                                         +3
012 
222         
313             
132  L1;w2                                    +4
313             
121  L1;L1;L1  (now up to 2u)       +1
121  w4                                         +5
313  L1; w2                                   +6
223 
131  L1;L1;L1                               +3
330             
323             
213  L2; L2; w4                             +3
331           
232  L2; w4                                   +5
123  L1; w2                                   +6
333             
213             
112             
122  w2                                         +7
112  L1; L1; w2                             +7
213  L1; w2                                   +8
330   
321             
122             
231  w2                                        +10
232             
231  w2                                        +12
223             
212  w2                                        +14
201             
321             
223             
333  L1; L1; L1   (up to 2)            +11
132             
132             
210             
222             
233             
333 w4                                         +15
113             
311 L1; w2                                    +16
132 w2
211               
233 L1; L1 ;L1  (up to 2)              +13           
123
333   
212     
213 w4                                         +17
332             
133 L1; w2                                   +18
322 w2                                         +20
312 L1; L1; w2                             +20

Seems that +10pts more than the A.D.D. way.

 :ooh: :smile: :twisted:

Good Luck (if you need it!!!)
Thanks,

A.

Not too shabby!!!!!!

While you were all having this gabfest I was away at the casino, trying to figure
out what method to play. I won $16. But not on these. Oddly enough I saw
a setup for the XYY, bet on the two dozen and lost a bet.

Hit AGAIN on my 25/27 thing on the table. They like each other. And I keep wondering
if it suggests anything else.

I'll keep plugging on this.  Good idea and variation.

Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: thelaw on Mar 01, 06:54 PM 2017
Just for reference from above chart:

LWWLWLLLWLWLLLLLWLWLWWLLWLWWWWLLLWLWWLLLWLWWLLW :thumbsup:

21 wins and 27 losses, so statistically a good run. :ooh:
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 01, 10:14 PM 2017
Allow me to join the party

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT8qAXxLIUJ44SoZuE/giphy.gif)

75 spins
--------------------------------------------------------
25 mini games
--------------------------------------------------------
17 mini games playable with proper trigger
--------------------------------------------------------


Results two ways

*With progression 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, no losses
     +17 units

*With progression 1-1, 2-2,  on first 2 bets of matrix only, one mini game loss
     +3 units



(https://www.rouletteforum.cc/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2Fi2veco.png&hash=d1fec859c84b660e77c1ea98696e3213)
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 01, 10:26 PM 2017
I am not thrilled about being only +3 units after 75 spins

but obviously that was a tough session, lots of 1st try losses then the break even win on the 2nd try

so will entertain the original way of betting only the first two spins of the matrix but perhaps with a 1-1, 3-3

had I done 1-1, 3-3 on first two spins of each mini game, I would have suffered one mini game loss but still made +8 units, and that I can deal with

so for me at this time, testing going forward, I will cap each mini game at 1-1, 3-3 and if lose go back to 1-1 on next mini game

grass roots deja vu hit me. oye.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: thelaw on Mar 02, 12:18 AM 2017
I am not thrilled about being only +3 units after 75 spins


Conservative wins are still wins. :thumbsup:

I would rather see a boring slow conservative result than a dynamic one any day. :xd:
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Mar 02, 03:25 AM 2017
Hi RG,
Yes, that is the way that I am playing.    1 - 1      3  -  3      Stop.        Yes you will suffer one or two 8 unit losses but should still come out in front.

Brian
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 02, 10:37 AM 2017
Agreed the law but  it's just not enough

Agreed bleep

1-1; 2-2 gave me +3

1-1; 3-3 gave me +8

Easy to see what to do
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: thelaw on Mar 02, 02:39 PM 2017
Agreed the law but  it's just not enough

Agreed bleep

1-1; 2-2 gave me +3

1-1; 3-3 gave me +8

Easy to see what to do

Not enough profit......or not profit fast enough? :question:

Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 02, 02:59 PM 2017
I guess it depends on chip size.

I'm not willing to win $3 every 75 spins lol
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: thelaw on Mar 02, 03:30 PM 2017
I guess it depends on chip size.

I'm not willing to win $3 every 75 spins lol

Or $300 with $100/unit. :ooh:

Only worth it if the risk is far less than the other progression. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 02, 06:05 PM 2017
American Wheel live spin test

Source: Celtic Casino

75 spins
------------------------------------------------------------------------
25 mini games
------------------------------------------------------------------------
11 mini games playable as per trigger
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Results betting only 1st two spins of matrix (2nd bet only if first loses then reset either way)

1-1; 2-2 ---------- +7 units
1-1: 3-3 ---------- +11 units




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Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Mar 02, 06:43 PM 2017
Thx for your updates on your latest results RG.  :)
Interesting.
A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 02, 08:25 PM 2017
im surprised noone got into this more

it is a great little strategy

adding columns at the same time will increase triggers and wins

just have to test columns to see if it works out
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 02, 09:55 PM 2017
ive done countless tests on this on the dozens, to my satisfaction

first columns test was not as good

so i will abandon columns on this

it was not terrible, -2 units in 75 spins with 1-1; 2-2 and even more of a loss with 1-1; 3-3.

so will stick with dozens

must be a layout difference
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Mar 03, 02:05 AM 2017
Hi RG,

I like this system.    You can duck in and just play a handful of spins if you want.  There is no long progression that you have to play out, and even more spins to get even or in front.      It is soooo easy to track.  You know exactly what your risk is.

I have been playing the columns as well and my experience with them is positive, though I am not playing columns every spin, mainly when dozens do not have a qualifier, or I just fancy a switch around.

No, you will not make a fortune with this, but if you increase unit amount then it is not too shabby.     Is it better to win a little, or lose a lot?   I know which one I choose.

Good luck,
Brian
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 19, 06:02 AM 2017
Hi Brian,

Did you ever try just betting FOR the dominant doz instead of against, as I showed in an earlier post?
Can be quite fun if you have a decent single doz prog.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 19, 07:57 AM 2017
Maybe can play as MoneyT101 suggests and use "hedge"

Play both ways at same time?? For the repeat doz (single doz bet) using the 1-2;  and against the repeat doz (double doz bet) using mild prog (eg GLAT)

Or 2 players....

 EG

Playing AGAINST the repeat doz
=========================

131                    play d2+d3
312  w       +1    nb         
333                    nb
331                    play d1+d2
223  w        +2    play d1+d3
122  w        +3    play d1+d3
122  w        +4    play d1+d3
103  w        +5    nb
110                     nb
112                     play d2+d3
212   w       +6     end


Playing FOR the repeat doz
======================

131                     play d1
312  Lw     +1       nb         
333                      nb
331                     play d3
223  LLw    +1     play d2
122  Lw      +2     play d2
122  Lw      +3     play d2
103  LL       +1     nb          *stop after 0
110                      nb
112                      play d1
212  Lw       +2    end


A.

Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 19, 08:51 AM 2017
The idea, and it only an idea at this stage, could be play a few little mini-games; when a profit on both sides STOP

AGAINST
=======
231
311                  bet d2+d3
131 Lw    +0    bet d2+d3
213 w      +1    nb
332                 bet d1+d2
213 w      +2

+2

FOR
====
231                   nb
311                   bet d1
131 w      +2     bet d1
213 Lw    +3      nb
332                   bet d3
213 LLw   +3

+3

Insurance on 0?   Play on nozero?

Btw, I played on for 25 more triple results and finished with +6u  (+3 on both sides). The highest profit came after 20 triples recorded and was +8  (+9 Against; -1 For) at that stage. The highest bet on the For side (single doz) was 3u.

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 19, 01:43 PM 2017
I play the above session adding in differential and virtual betting.
Will this perhaps reduce risk and help at all? What do you think?
Just thinking/writing out loud.... :)

vL = virtual lose bet (no bet)
vw = virtual win bet (no bet)

AGAINST (double doz)
=======
231             +0       nb
311                        bet d2+d3
131 vL; w    +1      bet d2+d3
213 vw        +1      nb
332                        bet d1+d2
213 vw        +1      stop

======
total=+1
=======

FOR  (single doz)
====
231              +0        nb
311                          bet d1
131 vw         +0        bet d1
213 vL; w     +2        nb
332                          bet d3
213 vL;L;w   +3        stop

=======
total=+3
=======

Comments welcome about this direction. Tx.

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: romano0327 on Aug 19, 01:48 PM 2017
Are you putting any insurance on the zero? I have too since the only wheel I can find around is American Wheel. How do you think this will do on American?
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 20, 06:40 AM 2017
Are you putting any insurance on the zero? I have too since the only wheel I can find around is American Wheel. How do you think this will do on American?

Probably best.
For the 1-1 bet place 0.1 on 0
For the 2-2 bet place 0.2 on 0

If doing single doz ensure enough on 0 to return at least money back for the corresponding stake...

Have not tried it on double zero wheel.

There are very few NOZERO wheels can be played online - did anyone yet try that though?

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 25, 08:45 AM 2017
Playing both ways again (hedge) virtual + differential:

AGAINST D.D
===========

311
212 vw
332 vw
232 vw
312 vw nb
222 nb
132 nb
112
332 vw
133 vw
121 vw
133 vL;w1             +1
113 vw
221 vw
232 vL;w1            +2
113 vw

+2


FOR D.D
========

311 
212 vL;w2              +2
332 vL;L1;w2         +3
232 vL;w2              +5
312 vL;L1;w2  nb   +6
222 nb
132 nb
112
332 vL;L1;L1         +4
133 vL;w2             +6
121 vL;L1;L1         +4
133 vw                  +4
113 vL;L1;w2         +5           
221 vL;L1;w2         +6
232 vw                   +6
113 vL;L1;L1          +4

+4


A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 25, 09:27 AM 2017
One more try:

Against dominant dozen

332
332 vL;L2              -2
232 vw
331 vw
122 vw
331 vw
213 vw   nb
122
212 vL;w2             +0
311 vw
133 vL;w1             +1
322 vL;w1             +2
132 vw    nb
333 nb
233 vw
321 vL;w1   nb       +3
133
322 vL;w1              +4

+4


For Dominant Dozen

332
332 vw
232 vL;w2               +2
331 vL;L1;L1           +0
122 vL;L1;L2           -3
331 vL;L2;L2           -7
213 vL;w6     nb      -1
122
212 vw
311 vL;L2;L2           -5
133 vw
322 vw
132 vL;L2;w6  nb    -1
333 nb
233 vL;w4               +3
321 vw  nb
133
322 vw

+3
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 25, 10:32 AM 2017
Another session:

AGAINST (double dozen bet)
=======
211
111 vL;L2   nb         -2
333            nb
231            nb
332
222 vw       nb
332
311 vL;w2               +0
222 vw       nb
122
121 vw
123 vL;w1  nb         +1
123            nb 
312            nb
133
111 vw       nb
123            nb
212
122 vw
321 vw       nb
221
212 vL;w1               +2
132 vw       nb

+2

FOR (single dozen bet)
====
211
111 vw            nb
333                 nb
231                 nb
332
222 vL;L1;L1   nb      -2
332
311 vw
222 vL;L1;L2   nb      -5
122
121 vL; w4                -1
123 vw            nb
123                 nb
312                 nb
133
111 vL;L1;L1   nb       -3
123                  nb
212
122 vL;w2                  -1
321 VL;L1;L1   nb
221
212 vw
132 vl;L1;w4    nb       +2

+2

A more protracted session due to abundance of 'same' or 'different' triplets - but no high stakes and I stop with a perfectly acceptable total of +4.
I'm still happy with it so far  :)

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 25, 02:07 PM 2017
Now a real money session just now:

A.D.D.  (2 doz bet)
=====
212
331 vw                      +0
133 vw
213 vw           nb
213                nb
121
331 vw
121 vw
121 vL;w1                 +1
313 vw
323 vL;w1                 +2
322 vL;w1                 +3
112 vw

===
+3
===

F.D.D (1 doz bet)
====
212
331 vL;L1;L1               -2
133 vL;w2                   +0
213 vL;L1;w2      nb    +1
213                     nb
121
331 vL;L1;w2              +2
121 vL;L1;L1               +0
121 vw                       +0
313 vL;w2                   +2
323 vw
322 vw
112 vL;L1;w2              +3

===
+3
===

+6pts for my first test with real money. :)

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 25, 02:11 PM 2017
Nice job
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Aug 25, 02:18 PM 2017
Nice job
Yes - I amended it to +6 which is correct. (I should actually have got another +2pts but I was playing speed roulette and didn't get bet on in time - and it won!)
I soon discovered it quicker and easier to jot results by hand than by using notepad.
I'm pleasantly surprised with the way this 'hybrid' fusion performed. You are either betting 2doz, 1 doz or no bet. I'm using GLAT progression on single doz. The bets are only made after a virtual loss on the For or Against side.
A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 28, 05:37 AM 2017
Hi A & RG
Here some spins from the machine of death RG. RG KTF  :thumbsup:
(https://www.rouletteforum.cc/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pichost.org%2Fimages%2F2017%2F09%2F28%2Ftemp_957425.png&hash=953534dc9eb039912bd2b8650bc31f69) (http://www.pichost.org/image/4AQo)
(https://www.rouletteforum.cc/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pichost.org%2Fimages%2F2017%2F09%2F28%2Ftemp_236683.jpg&hash=c867daab6fee27fb392d74d9ae9e84ce) (http://www.pichost.org/image/4Rmp)
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 05:56 AM 2017
Hi Notto,

Thanks. I checked and result should be +0 using the 1-1;2-2 - so not a loss!  :)

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 28, 07:49 AM 2017
Atlantis
Lot going on in this picture, again RNG ladbrokes. Its me watching 0x's and then getting clever? betting for a repeat, before 20th spin i'm 17units up. So i bet for the 17 to repeat and now back to starting BR, so its a bit, WTF time, but they just kept coming, spin 31, 110 units down, now seeing its already plus 2 for spin 39/40, decide flat bet the 25, stop spin 42 Br even.
You can see betting for repeat in 10 spins you could make a profit.
But now to ADD, think ends +2, but stop earlier with more profit
(https://www.rouletteforum.cc/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pichost.org%2Fimages%2F2017%2F09%2F28%2Ftemp_296266.png&hash=6b1f1c0be8fd9f58489a28e816c35bec) (http://www.pichost.org/image/4VK0)

Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 28, 10:04 AM 2017
100 #'s from MPR just now, 76% for a repeat in 10 spins :thumbsup: click to enlarge

(https://www.rouletteforum.cc/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pichost.org%2Fimages%2F2017%2F09%2F28%2Ftemp_682591.png&hash=5d677b1789084a3f731d47aec22cf5b8) (http://www.pichost.org/image/4bNd)
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 28, 10:09 AM 2017
might help to see repeats
(https://www.rouletteforum.cc/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pichost.org%2Fimages%2F2017%2F09%2F28%2Ftemp_424701.png&hash=e00a0e12cd907ac6b28468c555c3f611) (http://www.pichost.org/image/4dHU)
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 28, 10:12 AM 2017
Mr Taotie, green again
look flatbet 9,8,7,6,5 remaining non-hit  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Sep 28, 11:49 AM 2017
I like this system but I am only playing bet dominant dozen.     1  1  2  STOP      No big losses and easily recovered.   More chances as you often get 3 same dozen.     Betting double dozens is also ok but I have found single dozen better.  I stop anytime a zero shows if I am in a betting sequence.  Just my little preferences.

Brian
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: atlantis on Sep 29, 05:50 AM 2017
I like this system but I am only playing bet dominant dozen.     1  1  2  STOP      No big losses and easily recovered.   More chances as you often get 3 same dozen.     Betting double dozens is also ok but I have found single dozen better.  I stop anytime a zero shows if I am in a betting sequence.  Just my little preferences.

Brian

Cheers, Brian.
R U Playing on real roulette or rng?
What you think of playing both sides, the hedge idea I covered earlier..? Did you try it or should I say - did u even understand it first?  ;)

A.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Sep 29, 07:53 AM 2017
Hi Atlantis,
I only play `live` dealer.  Had my fill of RNG years ago.     No I am not playing betting both dozens or differential betting.  There are so many possibilities with this.    I am testing `leveller` type betting as it seems losing on a single dozen does not lead to long losses and you are betting a different dozen each sequence.   I may (probably) have been lucky but my longest loss was 5 and winning on 6th   I used   1 1 2   2  3  3     You do not fully recover on that final bet but do on subsequent ones.    It can be hard(er) trying to recoup all losses in one bet.   This may also lend itself to flat betting.  Who knows?

Good luck,
Brian                  (Too much information on roulette.  Who has time to take it all in?)
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Sep 29, 08:02 AM 2017
Hi again Atlantis,
Yes I understood where you are coming from with hedging.   I like to keep things as simple as possible and also am not a fan of virtual wins/losses/misses etc.   I have never played using virtual as it seems to draw things out.  In and out quick is the way to go with each sequence.  Only my preference.

Good luck,
Brian
(I am really liking betting dominant dozen with leveller.  Will be adding this to my other couple of favourite systems)   
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: bleep24 on Nov 03, 04:03 PM 2017
Hi All,
I have brought this back up because it is damned bloody good.    There really are some great systems already posted in the forum so we do not need to perpetually looking for `new`

What I am playing is against the dominant dozen,  Works for me.  Why not give it a whirl?

Brian
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: cht on Nov 03, 09:42 PM 2017
Agree bleep24. This is my favourite systems play that I occasionally play haven't loss yet so far. I play the variation of Rolling FDD since  instead of leave it to chance to play only a third of the spins depending on when the player starts I play every possible spin. As usual the green zero is the nemesis. Here's the excel sheet, have fun with it. Cheers.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Nov 06, 08:50 AM 2017
Will have to give this a try
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: Noreilles on Nov 06, 05:41 PM 2017
Quick Question:  do you play Against D.D. (like the excell sheet you provided indicates) or For D.D. (like the text below suggests)?

Agree bleep24. This is my favourite systems play that I occasionally play haven't loss yet so far. I play the variation of Rolling FDD since  instead of leave it to chance to play only a third of the spins depending on when the player starts I play every possible spin. As usual the green zero is the nemesis. Here's the excel sheet, have fun with it. Cheers.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: cht on Nov 07, 12:27 AM 2017
Quick Question:  do you play Against D.D. (like the excell sheet you provided indicates) or For D.D. (like the text below suggests)?
FDD

I wait for a virtual loss LOSS1LOSS2 then start flatbet, max 2 WIN1 or 2 LOSS1 per doz and play max 55spins per etg 10sessions at b&m casino.
Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: Mako on Oct 24, 04:44 AM 2018
Agree bleep24. This is my favourite systems play that I occasionally play haven't loss yet so far. I play the variation of Rolling FDD since  instead of leave it to chance to play only a third of the spins depending on when the player starts I play every possible spin. As usual the green zero is the nemesis. Here's the excel sheet, have fun with it. Cheers.

One of my cousins went to Vegas this weekend and texted me for a recommendation for an "easy Roulette bet for the dozens"... 

This old A.D.D thread came to mind, I had played around with it a while ago and liked it, so I sent it to him and told him to play it CHT's way (rolling basis FOR the dominant dozen).

Long story short, he won $450, and sent me a $50 giftcard to Starbucks as a thank you.

Sometimes forum oldies are fun to rehash and keep in mind for when you're tired or bored and want to goof around for a bit.

Title: Re: Revisiting A.D.D.
Post by: Maui13 on Oct 24, 11:10 PM 2018
@ Mako - that's EXACTLY what I've been doing. Checking some of the older ones.

Back then I used info from Dino, and Twister when I put together The TDM 2 Dozens

and I think I have a progression now that doesn't cause big draw downs, and seems to be able to claw itself out. Bit of a grind but fun. Still busy testing before I post my findings for a v2.0

But I fully agree with you - sometimes these older systems are true gems. Instead of people shooting each other down, put heads together to really try and make something work.

Btw - awesome cousin  :thumbsup: