Did anyone catch the thread over on betselection about beating EC's?
It was very vague and the OP was not very helpful in explaining it. People enquired about how he played it and now he's deleted the whole thread.
Maybe if anyone saw it, we could open up the discussion on here?
Atlantis was in tune with it
It looked like he was. According to the OP, there were about 4 posters who actually understood it.
May be Atlantis, or 1 of those 4 other members who claim to have understood the method would care to explain it
on this forum. So that it can be tested by all interested members and we can determine if is a really winning system
based on actual test results.
Very strange how the whole thread just disappeared.
Here are most of the original posts from the author:QuoteHello.
I will now tell you how to win the ECs.
No clues , no nothing. Just the way.
Make 4 different tables on your paper .
Each table must have the runs and changes of the ECs.
every event must be compared with the LAST EC.
So 4 events = 5 last ECs.
Do NOT , I repeat do NOT care about HOW MUCH the deviations are.... care ONLY about HOW MANY the deviations are.
When you have 2 or more deviations bet for balance.
If you have 3 and 1 = 2 so bet
if you have 2 and 1=1 so do NOT bet
If you have 2 and 2= 0 so do NOT bet.
The reason why this wins is because 1 deviation can go as much as it wants.
BUT a lot of deviation events can not happen at the same time.
Remember that the LAST EC must be compared with ALL the 4 events.
Make comparisons .
the last R/B with the 2nd.
the last R/B with the 3d
Etc...
Make a graph to watch immediately the deviations.
align the bets (if its possible) in order to correct the majority of the deviations in every spin.
Be careful cause if the bets are opposite they are canceling each other.
If you are smart you must get it by now.
One or 2 events can grow a lot and can be unpredictable... BUT 3 or more events can t grow at the same time...
Bet on HOW MANY and not on HOW MUCH.
It s not magic , it s not voodoo. Its just common sense .
1 or 2 events can start deviation a lot ... but 3 or 4 can t at the same time.
So bet for the HOW MANY and not for HOW MUCH.
Now in order to do this you must track 4 or more events(4 if my personal choice ) that ALL are linked with the last spin.
So that in every NEW spin all the 4 events to be updated.
Be carefull the ZERO is also an event ...
So watch all those events and how their deviations go... Then find the linearity of those events with the last spin and IF you can bet to the 1 selection ( RED or BLACK for example) for the most deviations to be fixed , then bet .
If you can't in this particular spin have the linearity then do NOT bet.
This method is like a predator you bet only when the opportunity apears... on average is 50% bet spins so its not boring , its playable.
I am making a steady income with my method for 2 years now by playing only the RB in land based Casinos.
I play with 25 euro chips I am making +5 and go home.
+5 is NOT a hit and run... it s just not to spend all my day in the casino. Sometimes in just 5 bets I am +5, sometimes it needs more.Its FLAT betting only.
With 15 chips BR you can t lose... its my BR. Although I never droped more of 11 chips( and that was a rare occasion)
For all the ECs I would need a program as tracking 4X3=12 events is impossible.
So I created the method myself... I never saw in any forum an approach like mine ( 4 or more events to be linked with the the last spin).
So IMO you should be thankfull that I exposed my method.
A person that is clever can understand exactly how I play just by reading my posts.
This method can be adapted to Dozens and Columns too.
But a program is needed for tracking all the bets.
I would love to have a tool like that!
A lot of betting opportunities and more cash in less time.
It seems impossible to me that no one understood the method.
Ok let s see...
Let s just take for example ( this is what you are asking... examples) only EVENT no1.
EVENT no1 is comparison of the last 2 spins(R/B).
We have R R this is a RUN (because from R it went to R again)
So we have
EVENT NO1
R C
X
The next spin is R R (B) ... so we have to update the chart so it will be
EVENT NO1
R C
X X ( We are puting X under the R(Run) or the C(Change)
next spin is R R B (R)
EVENT NO1
R C
X X
X
So until now we have 1 RUN and 2 CHANGES by comparing in every new spin the last 2 outcomes.
when we have RR=RUN when we have BB=RUN when we have RB or BR = CHANGE.
Now this was ONLY the EVENT NO1
add 3 more events of the R/B.(Read my previous posts)
That all of them are being updating with the new spin...
And then make the deviations correction when the bet selection on either RED or BLACK will correct most of them.
I really don t believe that I had to make examples in order to be understood.
My previous posts had explained everything in detail.
The reason why this betting selection wins is because of the LINEARITY .
Linearity of random events and betting for the majority of the balance is the key in winning.
As I stated before we can have 1 or 2 events growing bad making imbalance but its rare to have more than 2 events growing at the same time...
Let me give you an example.
lets say we have 4 different wheels and the 3 of them have 10 REDS and 3 BLACKS.The 4th wheel has the reds and blacks balanced.
Now lets say we are betting in all the 3 wheels BLACK ( for the balance to come).
The 1 of the 3 can produce again RED(so we lose)
The 2nd can produce again RED (so we lose)
IF the 3d will produce BLACK(our bet) then we are winning in ALL 3 wheels no matter that the 2 wheels produced RED.
this is where the power comes...
We are betting with an advantage that was not known till now... this advantage is called Linearity.
How this concept came into my mind?
After testing thousands of flat bet selections I reallised that after some wins then the loss was coming for sure... so even if a bet selection was winning like hell(Deviating) ... after a while the opposite selection was coming and was always bringing the loss of the bank roll rapidly!
The more winning , the more rapid loss.
The loss was coming always because the balance had to come...
yes but how do we know WHEN the balance will come? we don t ... we just know that it will come...
So this is how the arise of the Linearity came into my mind.
Most of the times the RB is well balanced... but there are occasions that they are making big deviations...
So we can t trust any single event ALONE....
But we can trust a lot of events at the SAME TIME(Linearity) ....
In order to lose we mus have 3-4 events all deviating badly and consistent at the same time.
This is hard... it happens but it doesn t last long... then the balance is coming and all the losing bets become winning ones.
event no 1 has 2 or less RUNS ... so we need RUN
event no 2 has 2 or less CHANGES ... so we need CHANGE
event no 3 has 2 or less CHANGES...so we need CHANGE
event no 4 doesn t have 2 or less of runs or changes(they are ballanced) so the 4th event is NOT qualified.
This leaves as with the qualifies events 1,2 and 3.
the event no 1 leads to the last spin (1st spin)
the event no 2 leads to the penultimate spin(2nd spin)
the event no 3 leads to the 3d spin
Till now all in here thought Earth is flat ... now you start realizing that the Earth round.
we are looking at the 1st(last spin) and its RED... it needs a RUN so it's a RED bet
we are looking at the 2nd spin and it a BLACK... it needs a CHANGE so it's a RED bet
we are looking at the 3d spin and it's a BLACK ... its needs a CHANGE so it's a RED bet
ALL 3 qualified events need RED ... so this is a betting TRIGGER... because we are having at least 3 bets pointing in the same color.
Understood now how the linearity comes?
The Earth is not flat as you think... but its round.
Well done Atlantis.
Now you see how easy I am winning in my Casinos visits.
As long as you follow the rules all your sessions will be +.
Bringing the balance of the majority of 4 events with linearity betting is the key in winning in roulette and baccarat .
1 or 2 events can deviate a lot .... but 3 or 4 events can not deviate at the same time for long.
As the balance is coming even in the 1 of the 4 events we are winning.
There are rare occasions that 1 event has deviate a lot!
keep an eye on this event and when the linearity comes with the other bets... your winning advantage is higher.
In these situations I am betting 2 chips instead of 1.
Especially in these situations the winning rate is very big.
Well done.
When you will track a lot of spins you will start realizing WHY those imbalances are happening
its because now I taught you how to look DEEPER into randomness and not flat as you all used to do.
Now you will not be surprised of WHY a lot of reds or blacks hits... its because the deeper (past events) are making the balance.
I've also attached a spreadsheet with the type of charting that the author was referring to in his posts created by another member.
For those without a xls software, here is a free online viewer: link:s://sheet.zoho.com/sheet/excelviewer
Cheers! :thumbsup:
Nice work!
Thanks ewarwoowar for openning the thread on this forum; and also for "Thelaw" for posting
the method description which was on bet selection.cc
As a team, we can now try to properly understand the method; and perform testing to determine if it is really
a winning system as claimed on betselection.cc
From Betselection posted today:QuoteGuys, right now it isn't a moment for divisions and quarrels. This is a very good moment for our community to unite towards improving our collective betting. We are ALL on the same side, the player's side.
Personally, it saddens me Moglizu chose to remove his productive posts. Nonetheless, since there are valid discussions going on there, the topic is making a come-back without Moglizu's posts towards striking a balance as the other fellow engaged posters deserve to have their discussion space too.
I'm currently making efforts (including physical efforts) to move our community forward by creating the best web environment and testing software for us to enjoy.
Let's focus on the productive side.
...Productivity and above everything HAVING FUN in camaraderie; giving and improving on each other's ideas :thumbsup:
Vic
Check out BetSelection forum for more info.
Hi thelaw,
The disappearing topic seems to have re-appeared! >:D :xd:
A.
Atlantis! :xd:
Do you fully understand the method now?
R
I'll give it a shot
Last five Red/Black Outcomes: R,B,B,R,B-Black is dominant
next five R/B Outcomes: R,B,B,B,R-Black is dominant
Red=4: Black=6 (a difference of 2)
Next Five Red should be dominant flat bet
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 05, 07:20 PM 2017
Hi thelaw,
The disappearing topic seems to have re-appeared! >:D :xd:
A.
link:://betselection.cc/even-chance-8/the-way-to-beat-the-ecs/150/
The re-appearing topic disappeared again. Actually, the discussion remains, but all of moglizu's contributions were separated out and put into a separate thread. That thread lasted a few minutes, and then it disappeared. A search for posts under moglizu shows nothing.
If moglizu wanted a spreadsheet/tool to track all EC's for him, he was not able to convey the specifications before he pulled the plug.
Meanwhile, Atlantis, who seems to have understood, would not go beyond a certain point of suggestion until somebody, or enough people had guessed correctly how to order the four events into tables.
Finally, Badger and Ruman001, and perhaps james, PUBLISHED how the "events" are logged. Badger published two or three iterations in a spreadsheet, the final one, included below, the right way to log events. The iteration posted by TheLaw above is not the final, correct one.
I have taken Badger's spreadsheet a step further and added columns to track the four events TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
I don't know if either of these two ways give the necessary info needed to make bets. But now that the basic method of stacking and tracking is coded, maybe Atlantis or somebody will start to give suggestions exactly how to use the information, as i too, am not clear from moglizu's betting instructions.
Update:
It looks like moglizu did transfer enough information to get his tracker made...before he pulled the plug on it.
link:://betselection.cc/even-chance-8/re-the-way-to-beat-the-ecs-7548/msg53933/#msg53933
Are we any nearer with this?
The way I see it, probably wrongly is that if we had say,
35B
23R
7 R
16R
6 B
Then this would give us CCCR and so the next bet would be for a R so I'd bet on B.
Does anyone else see it like that, or are we still miles off?
Ewarwoowar,
As you can see this method requires a fairly heavy amount of tracking -- for every new spin, you have to track 4 separate things. Now whether this method would work in a meaningful way under actual casino conditions remains to be seen (the evidence produced so far on betselection.cc is underwhelming, other than the OP's bombastic claims).
If you are genuinely interested in even chance bets that have some actual evidence of making real money, look no further than your countryman bleep's (brian) methods, especially NLE (2 becoming 3) and NLE mk2 (3 becoming 4). These methods do seem to work in real play, especially for UK casinos where you have the la partage rule mitigating the effects of the appearance of the 0.
NLE:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15831.0
NLE mk2:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18237.0
Again, kudos to bleep (brian) for sharing these two methods that actually seem to work.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7969.0
Could Moggy be Pockets?
Good spot!
I have said it before and I will say it again. If you are playing an EC roll a dice. If it is any odd number - bet black/if it is any even number bet R. Same method for other EC`s. Or make a line of 12 EC`s. eg. HLOERRLBBHH0 bet opposite. You will have as much luck with this way as with the vast majority of other complex ways. They are 50/50 bets so in theory you should be correct 50% of the time and in my testing I have found this to be so but allow for short term deviations.
Good luck,
Brian
Quote from: Badger on Mar 13, 02:16 PM 2017
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7969.0
Could Moggy be Pockets?
Yes, Master of pockets could be Moglizu -- their methods are eerily similar.
His written English has certainly improved over the last 6 years.
Yes, EERILY similar.
Might be....
Master_of_Pockets is from Cyprus and we know that Moglizu is from Greece!
A.
I know this is an old thread, but I've uploaded a pdf of the system discussed here. I downloaded it a while ago from Victor's patreon site, which now seems to have disappeared. I haven't played it so can't comment on whether it's any good or not, but it looks interesting if you like playing the ECs, or Baccarat.