When would you abandon a set of spins when in the 1st cycle of 37 spins?
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Like above 20 spins with just 1 repeat, as now the 18 that have hit once could repeat like #7 has, out of those 18#'s, how many are going to repeat just 1 more time, making to many to bet.
#7 has cost 13 units so far.
here's 30 spins, should you re-set?
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you bet numbers as they come up to 9th spin if hit is ok if not wait for number to repeat and start tracking again after repeated number up to 9th
here's 1st cycle
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Quote from: maestro on Apr 03, 06:08 AM 2017
you bet numbers as they come up to 9th spin if hit is ok if not wait for number to repeat and start tracking again after repeated number up to 9th
On he right path Mae.
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The bottom is how the groups of 10 spins happen, if you download spins you should know where these from.
Here is the previous 4 days
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Dont think only in 37 spin. Connect next cycle. Not a good idea to catch 2nd hit. Start ur catching from third hit.
Or if you are a hardcore fan of 37 spin i would suggest for catching only one third hit witihin that cycle. 23rd spin is the average position to get a 3rd hit. U will get average 5 double hit before 23 rd spin. Start betting with one unit all thise number from 21 st spin. As it approaches 23 rd and passing 23 rd without hitting use the mild progression 1234. 90% of time u will get it.
Gave that up, 2 to go 3 hit after 20spins, Now its a repeat in 10 spins
Dont give up. Because thats the way. Getting 2 hit u will have to play lots of number. And our target is play less number and get a hit. Run 100 spin. Play only 3s to 4s . See how many numbers u need to play. U ll get it. I know u r expert
Quote from: Madi on Jun 07, 03:56 PM 2017
Dont give up. Because thats the way. Getting 2 hit u will have to play lots of number. And our target is play less number and get a hit. Run 100 spin. Play only 3s to 4s . See how many numbers u need to play. U ll get it. I know u r expert
The little bit of math i have is dangerous
Why dangerous?
Because i get so far and not knowing more higher level math and make the wrong choice
No higher level math needed. Its only what you can see and simple math. Anyway you got your own way of playing. 👍
correct
Ig dont reveal to much do a turbo
Ig wait some #'s just now on multi
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not played just in 10's got it
Quote from: maestro on Apr 03, 06:08 AM 2017you bet numbers as they come up to 9th spin if hit is ok if not wait for number to repeat and start tracking again after repeated number up to 9th
Hi, maestro!
This advice is based on the fact that a number cycle closes mostly with lenght 1,2.3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and other fact that a repeat happens mostly (99%) on last 7 numbers?
Quote from: praline on Jun 07, 05:12 PM 2017
Hi, maestro!
This advice is based on the fact that a number cycle closes mostly with lenght 1,2.3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and other fact that a repeat happens mostly (99%) on last 7 numbers?
10/10 :thumbsup:
Quote from: maestro on Apr 03, 06:08 AM 2017
you bet numbers as they come up to 9th spin if hit is ok if not wait for number to repeat and start tracking again after repeated number up to 9th
Quote from: praline on Jun 07, 05:12 PM 2017
Hi, maestro!
This advice is based on the fact that a number cycle closes mostly with lenght 1,2.3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and other fact that a repeat happens mostly (99%) on last 7 numbers?
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 07, 05:13 PM 2017
10/10 :thumbsup:
need to ? that, these from multiplayer just now
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Looks good, but looks can deceive.
Not repeater, but KTF and KTF 1st profit :thumbsup:
Now why posted the above, as said looks can deceive
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was waiting for a group of 1st7 spins to miss and this came in the above at 21-30, so spin 21 is now spin 1, you see the 1st 7 miss, as said why not wait it costs nothing, so i started betting at spin 13, got the win, but i'll just carry on watching the trot of the starting 37 non-hit.
Hope to see you on 1st place on multiplayer game :thumbsup:
Hi nottophammer,
First of all thank you for your idea. Played a couple of sessions yestsrday with this method in WH Penny Wheel and made some decent money. Were round about 5 sessions and I stopped every session with 50-100u profit. Max DD i saw was about -200u, as I had a couple Rs in the first rounds... Progression went up to 9u but recovered. I will write a bot and post the results here, if u dont mind. As playing this method manually can be a pain in the arse :)
Greetings
Quote from: ayk on Jun 14, 02:50 AM 2017
Hi nottophammer,
First of all thank you for your idea. Played a couple of sessions yestsrday with this method in WH Penny Wheel and made some decent money. Were round about 5 sessions and I stopped every session with 50-100u profit. Max DD i saw was about -200u, as I had a couple Rs in the first rounds... Progression went up to 9u but recovered. I will write a bot and post the results here, if u dont mind. As playing this method manually can be a pain in the arse :)
Greetings
Feel free to do what you want :thumbsup:
All right,
got some "decent" results here. Testing table was Low Stake Roulette Table @ 888 (RNG). Made 500 spins, splitted to 10 sessions with 50 spins each. I attached the results of my bot. I had no freespins between the sessions. The bot just did 500 spins and resetted every 50.
Well, as you can see, there are decent DDs happening, BUT in EVERY session we are at LEAST once in positive gain. So the question would be, when to stop, or do something like hit and run? If i calculate 1sec per spin, with betting etc. would take round bout 1min for a session of 50 spins. So even if u just get your 8-20u win per session and do that 5 times, could results in a decent amount.
Further more, how the results would be on a real wheel (time intensive).
Edit #1:
I just noticed I have a calculation error, as my gain is always 1u to low... bare in mind!
Quote from: ayk on Jun 14, 08:07 AM 2017
All right,
got some "decent" results here. Testing table was Low Stake Roulette Table @ 888 (RNG). Made 500 spins, splitted to 10 sessions with 50 spins each. I attached the results of my bot. So the question would be, when to stop?
Always the same question. You will stop when bot lose your money.
The answer lies in knowledge of how non-hit come.
We know most blocks of 1st 10 spins (1-10) usually is 9/10, 1 repeat. So it would have you usually bet 1st time with 28#'s, God forbid Turbo G :lol:
So the answer is take 1st profit, which would usually be 8 units.
Now 8 units is small, but its using 1 unit, so if your Bankroll is huge like Top dog cough, then it could be 5 units
heres Morts #'s from today, what did just say in last post,
i'll let you read this 1st :thumbsup:
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1st profit
So now the ? is what if loose 1st spin, spin 11, if you are trying to get the 10th non-hit, now come on it should really be in at odds of more than 1/3 on, but it does happen.
Now comes the part where you've built your data base of games, the posted sheet is from a small batch of games, but with different sources of data, you can compare.
The sheet has max of 5 spins and avg is 2 spins. From that you can work out how far you are going to go
Now this is my answer, you are better of watching how the non-hit are coming, work with countback, an example
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this sheet is probably from MPR, if you know what sheet i'm talking of, then look at 14th 0x its in, spin 19, countback shows this game is fast for 0x #'s. Now the data sheet has 15th 0x, max 6 spins,its avg is 1.58 spins (2spins), 15th came on 6th spin its present known maximum. Now countback shows game is balanced.
Do you need more, all i can say to a scandinavian member, is never give up on an idea/method, just step back and find a solution to the problem.
now some bright spark would say, 9th 0x took, 3 spins, but what does countback show, what does sheet say, remember, i say, i just watch, watch for the chance to bet, be it a 0x(non-hit) or a repeat 1x
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But i'm no TG :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now lets look at according to some the HG, betting for a repeat. Like any method needs discipline, which i'm a little bit blinkered to sometimes, Like the Guvnor Winkel, we can get a bit reckless now and again :smile:
Dont you just luv old posted material, you cant give bullshit, Cough,duh,
So what do we see #13, profit. Now have you been placing a unit on all 1 hits, 15 for the win, now up unit to 5 on #13, yes he's there again, now we up it to 25 unit, but it takes another 46 spins so hot gone cold, perhaps the genius of repeats will drop by and show from this sheet how it should be done.
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Did we not say fast game for 0x's. But like said learn how the trot can come, old TG's baloney about repeats, well to get that game started you need non-hits
Maybe little OT but what i have noticed from all my simulated spins (easily over 30k), that "SOMEHOW" after 11 unhit numbers I dont get more than 10 repeaters, befor next unique number comes up.
Well, did a flat prog with 1,2,3,4,6,9,13,19,27,39,56 on all 11 unhit numbers, risking a max of 1400u and came out with +1438u profit (max DD was -627u). The bot ran half an hour, something like that... Guess gonna try this out on penny roulette first to see some "real" results. Attached the PDF of my results.
Still trying to get some decent formula for your base strategie nottophammer, but the main problem is, if u hit 3-5 repeaters after 10 uniques, its really hard to recover from that. For fun I ran several sessions till 0 unhit, coming up with loosers like -15ku, winners round bout 3-4ku. Hard to figure out a decent system. Also tried to hit and run, after positive gain. But if u get caught ONCE in a non positive gain session, you just can hope to jump out at right time, to have a chance to recover from that lose.
okay this is for airball not up todate. But what you see is betting 11 numbers to get the 27th non-hit.
So the 27th has taken to come in, 1spin, 135 times, but has gone past your 11bets 6 times. Would the 6 losses leave you still in profit.
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You can see why i say watch how the 0x's are coming, here you can see they avg to hit in 3.37 round up 4 spins, your prog of 11 bets would if you wait 4 spins( dont cost to wait) get you to 15 spins meaning you lost once to this data and airball wheel.
Did a quick game with my mantioned progression (see pics). Was betting with 0.5â,¬ per 1u. Round 400u in 9min not that bad, but had a RFH with -900, but 11th bet saved my arse.
Not seeing any point of low progression here.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 16, 08:28 AM 2017
okay this is for airball not up todate. But what you see is betting 11 numbers to get the 27th non-hit.
So the 27th has taken to come in, 1spin, 135 times, but has gone past your 11bets 6 times. Would the 6 losses leave you still in profit.
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You can see why i say watch how the 0x's are coming, here you can see they avg to hit in 3.37 round up 4 spins, your prog of 11 bets would if you wait 4 spins( dont cost to wait) get you to 15 spins meaning you lost once to this data and airball wheel.
Well, if i would stop after 9th spin, The calculation for your data would be like this i guess:
14x 10 or more
431x 9 or less
Which means, 10 or more I loose 675u with my prog, sums up to -9450u in total. 431 games won with corresponding gain for that level giving me a total of +15689u...
So after that 1500k spins would be up round bout
6239u if my calculation is not wrong.
:thumbsup:
now we getting to the better end less #'s this betting 8 remaining, 29th has come so bet is 8. Prog can go longer, but can you hear the math guys " no can't win with prog's"
Again what harm does waiting the avg to come in before you fancy or commence betting, on FOBT can bet for 18 spins before max bet, but as said this is airball data
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airball today, remember avg to come in, airball sheet is posted on here somewhere. But this is a killer for +1/-1, different if you play the waiting game, just watch it's not costing, again you need to know the avg and max to hit for eah non-hit on the particular piece of equipment you play on
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How about the idea to bet on not seeing 3 repeaters in a row till 25 unhit numbers? Betting at 2 repeaters in a row, if win -> win, if loose prog + 1u and stall there till new high. Little money for little risk (see attachement):
Min: -144u
Max: 183u
Max Prog: 4
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Crazy I guess... will run this over 100k spins this night, lets see...
Quote from: ayk on Jun 16, 03:54 PM 2017
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Crazy I guess... will run this over 100k spins this night, lets see...
Forgot about this
Notto,
What you're doing makes no sense, whatsoever.
If you're running your tests on random rng data, then why would you expect anything other than a random outcome???
Test gazillions of spins and you'll find that the numbers hit at 1 in 37. Repeaters and sleepers both will hit at expectation after you've run enough trials.
Run the same tests on LIVE wheels and you'll find occasionally find some fruit.
If you're trying to beat RNG wheels, then you need to think differently.
If you want to travel down that road, then I do have some suggestions. Attacking the seed of an RNG isn't easy.
:yawn:
Quoteokay this is for airball not up todate. But what you see is betting 11 numbers to get the 27th non-hit.
So the 27th has taken to come in, 1spin, 135 times, but has gone past your 11bets 6 times. Would the 6 losses leave you still in profit.
Guys,
This is painful to read.
Stop counting the non hits...etc.. and start running chi square tests instead. Chi square is a better test than just counting non hits verses hits. It's simple, and there are plenty of spreadsheets that you can use that automatically calculate it for you. Counting the number of hits verses non hits is a crude and inefficient goodness of fit test. Chi square is more efficient and less time consuming. What you guys are looking for are the minimum chi square values needed to produce a profit with your system/progressions. Just guessing, the value will might be around 50 on your small samples.
Quote from: The General on Apr 15, 03:31 PM 2018This is painful to read.
So you know what you're going to see why bother looking and don't use the old helping members out
Notto,
For me it's like watching kids trying to push a car up hill with the parking brake still on. I'm just trying to be helpful, that's all.
It's good idea to learn from the knowledge, experience and mistakes of others because you can't possibly live long enough to make all of the mistakes yourself. I'm not trying to one up you, or put you down.
Quote from: The General on Apr 15, 04:08 PM 2018
Notto,
For me it's like watching kids trying to push a car up hill with the parking brake still on. I'm just trying to be helpful, that's all.
It's good idea to learn from the knowledge, experience and mistakes of others because you can't possibly live long enough to make all of the mistakes yourself. I'm not trying to one up you, or put you down.
Had the pill not kicked in
I'm not trying to one up you, or put you down.
Well who ever you really are, yes one must learn from their mistakes.
So if you collect 40 to 60; 1/37 spins, over and over again, you'll be surprised what you can learn. Bit like you watching the wobbly wheel for a million spins.
You posted some of these spins and yes KTF won on the 1st go, but you still dont hear i DONT KTF i now watch the spins like you knowing that from spin 11 up to spin 40 i'm going to see on average 15 non-hit, but to use ROTT the Riddle Of The Trot you need to know the average to hit and see the word PRESENT KNOWN MAXIMUM TO HIT. Have this and it'll make the job easier, like 6th sense is trying to show how in 37 spins
It is really beneficial to not be offended when someone tries to share knowledge. Nobody knows everything, but many people know better about specific things.
We all know Caleb can be a c***. But mostly he is misunderstood. His initial advice starts friendly, but then he's attacked because people don't like to be told "facts". He responds with humor, but also antagonizing people who attack him. It's best try to understand the advice and not be offended by it.
I'm not saying he is god's gift to roulette (like me). But clearly he understands the game.
Also when someone is trying to share knowledge, understand the logic they are presenting. If they just say "you cant" without any logic, then it's no good. Understand the information and verification of what they're saying.
And if you find it annoying for someone to tell you something that's true, TOUGHEN UP. Is it going to benefit you if you run and whinge about someone telling you like it is.
Really if someone tells me like it is and they are right, with claims backed up, I would gladly give them credit and learn from them. The ability to lose your pride and learn is very valuable in any area of life. They dont call pride a deadly sin for nothing. It's best avoided.
And keep in mind, we are better and smarter than you.
Steve, notto, general, turbo :
Stop gambling!
If you have been gambling, stop. Unless you are a winner, you need to stop. And since you are reading these lines, you have been losing money. So, stop losing money!
My gambling days are well and truly over. Roulette is not gambling to me, at all.
Other than an intellectual pursuit, it is all about risk vs reward, like any investment. Every wheel is an opportunity, with upsides, downsides etc. But the main limiting factor is still casino surveillance. If it werent for that, I could win $1m every week no problem.