In my eyes Priyanka is a bigger celebrity than any lifetime actors in the media! ;D And since Pri is no longer answering PMs and would like us to discuss things in the open I thought it might be a good idea to start a new topic with any questions aimed towards him and his strategies? I appreciate Pri is very selective with his answers - and am not asking for HG - but would be grateful for any help with the following questions that have come up through private discussion of past topics about Non-Random...
1) In the "Journey videos" are the dynamic bets made only in "deadlock" situations specifically when Non-Random fails to work out of the box, so to speak, or are other kinds of situations taken advantage of - besides deadlocks - based on suitable use of stats of course? For example (with dozen cycles; although this doesn't apply to the Journey):
CL1 - ignore potential dynamic bet because no deadlock situation yet encountered
CL2 - ignore potential dynamic bet because no deadlock situation yet encountered
CL3 - deadlock/deadheat/deadrun - now look to a dynamic bet because Non-Random has failed
I appreciate this is oversimplified. I only suspected that Priyanka might be acting on deadlocks only as a way to keep the game simplified and without having to make paper notes for tracking?
2) With VdW and Quad Cycles Priyanka bets dominant/follow the last - but what does that have to do with VdW? How is betting dominant a simplified VdW when the theorem is based on all different kinds of APs over the course of 9 spins? Could it be that dominant betting is only made with consecutive APs - missing out any Non-Consecutive APs? But if I'm not mistaken then 2,2,3... means that 2 is still dominant, so a 1,2,3 AP is no longer possible? So to summarise: how do we go from VdW (at least 1 AP in 9 spins/events) to a simplified VdW used as a "dominant detector" yet still able to mechanically test the theorem to be correct?
Falkor am sorry, but not answering any questions on the videos. They were done to show examples of VDW, cycles and other concepts discussed. Nothing more nothing less. O0
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 04, 10:23 AM 2017
Falkor am sorry, but not answering any questions on the videos. They were done to show examples of VDW, cycles and other concepts discussed. Nothing more nothing less. O0
Thanks for responding all the same. I understand you are not happy to answer questions about the videos, but these questions are not about the videos per se; it's more about trying to understand the deadlock situation and whether that should act as the sole entry point in a Non-Random strategy; also about how VdW can still apply as a dominant detector? It sure doesn't feel like VdW anymore when we do that... any reason why you can't answer that? Again, without asking for the HG, I am really struggling here... and English
is my first language! ;D Please reconsider!
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 04, 10:23 AM 2017
Falkor am sorry, but not answering any questions on the videos. They were done to show examples of VDW, cycles and other concepts discussed. Nothing more nothing less. O0
You mean there's no grand conspiracy that requires YouTube videos made in a basement?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Apr 04, 10:37 AM 2017
it's more about trying to understand the deadlock situation and whether that should act as the sole entry point in a Non-Random strategy; also about how VdW can still apply as a dominant detector? It sure doesn't feel like VdW anymore when we do that... any reason why you can't answer that?
Falkor the reason i don't answer is because I don't have an answer. I don't know how to treat the deadlock. A deadlock is a deadlock and you are stuck there.
And what do you mean by dominant detector and VDW. I don't follow.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 04, 11:09 AM 2017
You mean there's no grand conspiracy that requires YouTube videos made in a basement?
Lol. I don't think people are not going to leave him even if Falkor doesn't want to talk about flat earth.
QuoteFalkor the reason i don't answer is because I don't have an answer. I don't know how to treat the deadlock. A deadlock is a deadlock and you are stuck there.
But in the past you have claimed the opposite: that it's actually possible to overcome the deadlock situation; I just wanted to know if that is in fact your main entry point too? Without a deadlock Non-Random would work out of the box and make endless profit with, say dozen cycles CL1 and CL2; it's only CL3 that causes Non-Random to fail when playing mechanically for the next available repeat, etc. So how should a Non-Random strategy best be played - by reacting to deadlocks or ignoring them (or reacting to both?) - for the purpose of avoiding pen and paper tracking?
QuoteAnd what do you mean by dominant detector and VDW. I don't follow.
VdW is applied on 2 variables like Red or Black. With Quads we can apply on CL2 and CL3 - ignoring CL1 and CL4. Therefore, CL2 and CL3 becomes our 2 colours instead of an EC. Instead of trying to form APs you bet dominant/follow the last and refer to it a simplified version/application of VdW? But how is that still VdW? Although we have 2 variables (CL2 and CL3), betting dominant/FTL is not the same thing as forming APs? So in what way does FTL still resemble VdW?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Apr 04, 11:49 AM 2017by reacting to deadlocks or ignoring them (or reacting to both?) - for the purpose of avoiding pen and paper tracking?
Falkor - non random is a good starting point to be able to play. But however it doesn't work straight out of the box due to the nature of the way the roulette game is constructed. It is yet to be seen how the deadlock can be handled. Theoretically, a parallel game which benefits from the deadlock situation could be the answer. But practically am yet to see such a parallel game.
Whatever is in the past is past. Unless I have shown proofs of what I or anyone claims, you should not believe in the claims. You could get robbed. :)
In FTL, you have two results, either a win or a loss - two variables. Because we have two variables, we could apply VDW.
OK cheers for answering my questions - your efforts are much appreciated and are not in vain - trust! We pay way more attention to you than we ever did to our school teachers!! :P I do claim to have found a parallel game for CL3 - also works for CL1 - but cannot play without paper. CL2 rather than being a deadlock - is more like a dead end! :twisted: Anyway, regarding pen and paper, I think the problem goes something like this... we began mechanical. Once we find dependency we look for bias by deviating from the mechanical; and with bias we can gain edge - but I don't think we should stop there! I think once we have edge we need to go back to finding a new mechanical method that takes into account the stats that led to the bias/edge. What do you think? Of course it would be kinda boring and a more fun method, based around a master strategy, would require all kinds of tracking and deforestation.
BTW, Priyanka, what can we call you besides Pri? Can you tell us your first name? Or we can call you Mr. + last name? It depends if you work as a school teacher, right? :girl_to:
Thanks. (bow)
My first name is Sana. What's in a name :)
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 04, 03:38 PM 2017
My first name is Sana. What's in a name :)
Light 8)
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 04, 03:38 PM 2017
My first name is Sana. What's in a name :)
Once you lose your mortality then we need a way of referencing your immortal soul alongside the likes of Abraham Lincoln, Osho and Bartel Leendert van der Waerden...
I'll tell you what, Priyanka... PM me your real name and I'll name my next son after you, as I'm trying for another baby right now; how does that sound? :-[
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Apr 04, 11:49 AM 2017
Without a deadlock Non-Random would work out of the box and make endless profit with, say dozen cycles CL1 and CL2; it's only CL3 that causes Non-Random to fail when playing mechanically for the next available repeat, etc.
Gilius-Falkor,
The above is the crux of the problem with this PHP-VDW based dozen cycle method -- for CL1 and CL2, the method gives precise prescription(s) as to what to bet on either for the CL1 step or the ensuing CL2 step.
With CL3, quite understandably, there is no clear-cut answer.
This is the fundamental problem with this method and, as of now, I am not sure that your subsequent complicated (and even more abstract) attempts to bypass this problem will lead to fruition.
Dr., the problem is already resolved with a simple enough method - I am just trying to learn how to gain edge blind-folded without pen and paper at hand so I can get closer to having the same amount of fun as Pri/Sana - Tehran based? :thumbsup:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Apr 04, 07:48 PM 2017
Dr., the problem is already resolved with a simple enough method - I am just trying to learn how to gain edge blind-folded without pen and paper at hand so I can get closer to having the same amount of fun as Pri/Sana - Tehran based? :thumbsup:
Gilius-Falkor,
Problem is already resolved? I am not sure your mentor agrees with that claim (given some of her recent posts).
Tehran-based? I think your mentor is U.K.-based (of Indian origin).
And another thing: your mentor is a "she" -- I know some people, like Turner, think that GreatGrampa and Priyanka are the same individual.
I have read many of their threads (both here and at betselection.cc) and they have somewhat different writing styles. So I think it is very likely that GreatGrampa and Priyanka are different individuals (and of different genders !).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 04, 07:34 PM 2017
This is the fundamental problem with this method and, as of now, I am not sure that your subsequent complicated (and even more abstract) attempts to bypass this problem will lead to fruition
I wouldn't put it any other way.
That leaves me no choice but to ask Steve... :'(
Hi i have a question for priyanka
How much are you ahead vs the casinos how much do you wiin in a sessipn ....
A day
A week
A year
Hi i have a question for priyanka
How much are you ahead vs the casinos how much do you wiin in a sessipn ....
A day
A week
A year
Quote from: bigmoney on Apr 05, 07:13 AM 2017
Hi i have a question for priyanka
How much are you ahead vs the casinos how much do you wiin in a sessipn ....
A day
A week
A year
Big money - how does it matter. Moreover whatever I say cannot be verified. So will leave it there.
For what reason exactly does anyone believe pri has the hg?
Someone who doesn't believe earth is flat, please answer.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 05, 07:54 AM 2017
For what reason exactly does anyone believe pri has the hg?
This is a very good question. Maybe I am not the best person to answer as I am not convinced about what to believe and where to put my efforts, but if I am not mistaken Pri had showed BV withdrawals for the whole year, or something like that? Or it is shown with something related what she is preaching... It was a long time ago, I cant recall exactly. Sorry.
And there were some graphs around too. I think tests on random numbers. Like going up for the whole time. My best bet is that they are manipulated as we couldnt see what was going on, but I am just giving you my opinions what could make anyone to believe in her fairy tale. Well nicely wrapped up and I enjoyed reading it, but still fairy tale if you ask me.
Cheers
She working for BV so withdrawals is fake as fairy tales.
Yeah MJ that sounds plausible.
I also wonder if any of those principles are actually working. Falklor seems to confirmed them. Maybe that is one way how she increased credibility with some. I even think she is not the only one having fun here. That rrbb guy is fishy also.
But I like the line Pri said the other day. As long as there is option to choose, there will takers for both.
Guys, we need to get over this, accept it as fact, and move on; Pri's concepts indeed work and edge really does exist. That doesn't mean edge equates to the HG - that's more in line with a master strategy as being discussed in the other thread. Also, if you make any mistakes then the edge is lost as there's quite a lot of room for error if you're not careful; you must maintain a solid game as part of the master strategy.
Priyanka it matters to me and i will take ur work because i believe you have imtegrity ...answer this ....and not like a politician
You dont like answering the g hard question ....you are quite evasive
Bigmoney- it is difficult to answer how much ahead. But I can tell you that I win every session that I play. The play is based on the non-random concepts I have openly discussed here. The playing method is very simple, do not require any tracking sheets like pen and paper. On an average I play about 7-10 spins before I take profit. At times it goes to about 35-40 spins. The win ratio is normally hovers around 3 to 1 in terms of amount wagered.
It is true that I have conversed with few people here on PMs and emails and have tried providing direction based on individual work they have done if I believed they have grasped what I have written in the topic. However, it is becoming unmanageable to give that kind of individual attention and I have not seen that helping anyone completely so far. So I have stopped and blocked all PMs. The only person I exchange emails now is a gentleman over 60 who shares a passion for numbers.
What I won't do is give away the method in a step by step format, or sell it.
I believe everyone is an adult here and it is up to them what to follow and what to ignore.
Nice post Pri! :thumbsup: I still don't get how you can play without pen and paper though... I am guessing that Non-Random needs to be combined with FTL or something to develop a new mechanical method that takes into account any bias - but words are failing me here even trying to describe what form such a feat would take or how it might be achieved exactly - the picture in my mind is blurred. I need to experiment more to get to that stage - that way I will have better understanding.
Damn, I wish Pri would add me to her mailing list!! *jealous* I'm under 60 though... :-[
Special Request: hey, if you guys have given up with this since 2015 but still retain old informative emails from Priyanka - please forward them to me (gilius2k15@gmail.com)
I study this every day without fail and could certainly make good use of them! Providing the hints and tips are explosive like a typical Priyanka post and I haven't read them before then I'll even consider giving you access to my new website - a good incentive for anybody thinking of getting back into this project of a lifetime.
Pri, got time for another question? Does "short" mean keeping our sessions in line with the "finite" limits of Non-Random and ensuring we allow the Non-Random sequences to complete, etc. In other words the limits act as markers for beginning and ending our "short" sessions?
I got one more question. When you play at the Hippodrome in London do you manage to get out of the casino, alive, to take home your profits? And is there an Indian man with glasses who watches you play?
I find it hard to believre priyanka
That u cant put a figure on it are you $1 a head or $1000000 quite easy and with a brain lime yours you would know
I believe in this forum we have a few smart people with very smart brains when it comes to strategy ...patterns ...etc ...i find it hard to comprehend ...that mo one has cracked the priyanka method
Btw i rate my self below average with this stuff
BIGMONEY
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 05, 06:38 PM 2017
The playing method is very simple, do not require any tracking sheets like pen and paper.
Gilius-Falkor,
Pay attention to what your mentor is saying above -- the key words in the above quote are "very simple."
I highly doubt that in arriving at this "very simple" method, your mentor used the layers and layers of abstractions that you have imposed on the original PHP- and VDW-inspired bet selection idea(s).
Quote from: Steve on Apr 05, 07:54 AM 2017
For what reason exactly does anyone believe pri has the hg?
Someone who doesn't believe earth is flat, please answer.
It's hard to give exact reason, and even though I cannot use what have been taught by him, I truly believe in it. The limits of groups of numbers, the parallel streams, the statistics, etc they all make sense to me, and these concepts are different from everything discussed on any roulette forum.
I'm reading a book from Joseph Murphy and he teaches how important is to believe in something, and constantly let your subconscious mind know that it is possible and you can do it.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Apr 05, 07:20 PM 2017
Nice post Pri! :thumbsup: I still don't get how you can play without pen and paper though... I am guessing that Non-Random needs to be combined with FTL or something to develop a new mechanical method that takes into account any bias - but words are failing me here even trying to describe what form such a feat would take or how it might be achieved exactly - the picture in my mind is blurred. I need to experiment more to get to that stage - that way I will have better understanding.
Damn, I wish Pri would add me to her mailing list!! *jealous* I'm under 60 though... :-[
Special Request: hey, if you guys have given up with this since 2015 but still retain old informative emails from Priyanka - please forward them to me (gilius2k15@gmail.com)
I study this every day without fail and could certainly make good use of them! Providing the hints and tips are explosive like a typical Priyanka post and I haven't read them before then I'll even consider giving you access to my new website - a good incentive for anybody thinking of getting back into this project of a lifetime.
Pri, got time for another question? Does "short" mean keeping our sessions in line with the "finite" limits of Non-Random and ensuring we allow the Non-Random sequences to complete, etc. In other words the limits act as markers for beginning and ending our "short" sessions?
I got one more question. When you play at the Hippodrome in London do you manage to get out of the casino, alive, to take home your profits? And is there an Indian man with glasses who watches you play?
falkor I will relief your pain and give you back your life, so read carefully.
There is no edge using Non-Random events like VdW, PP or :
After the ball is spun it will land on any of the 37/38 numbers. lol
Pri is one of the gifted hackers that hacked the randomness control file from betvoyager which is now not available till they have a safer way to do it.
Pretending to have an edge coming from math should disguise what he is doing.
He hacked also Steves roulette game, has now the disclaimer against scamers linked to Steve's website in his footer. (mabe payed by Steve because he posts a lot and brings traffic)
Look at his posts of the last months (since betvoyager stopped using randomness control). They are no post of someone having the grail.
I may be wrong, but that is what I see.
Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 06, 02:46 AM 2017
falkor I will relief your pain and give you back your life, so read carefully.
There is no edge using Non-Random events like VdW, PP or :
After the ball is spun it will land on any of the 37/38 numbers. lol
Pri is one of the gifted hackers that hacked the randomness control file from betvoyager which is now not available till they have a safer way to do it.
Pretending to have an edge coming from math should disguise what he is doing.
He hacked also Steves roulette game, has now the disclaimer against scamers linked to Steve's website in his footer. (mabe payed by Steve because he posts a lot and brings traffic)
Look at his posts of the last months (since betvoyager stopped using randomness control). They are no post of someone having the grail.
I may be wrong, but that is what I see.
Yep - you are wrong - so don't make assumptions; it's a sign of stupidity.
Here is
6-7% edge using Parachute Progression combined with other concepts discussed in Random Thoughts:
(link:s://s16.postimg.org/3v3o0ep05/Slide26.png)
Here is
3-12% edge using another method with parallel streams:
(link:s://s16.postimg.org/7q722z85x/Slide22.png)
This (link:://rarekungfumovies.com/private/CyclesSimulation.html) test was made using the 2nd method above after first calculating on paper how the test should perform. If I remember correctly it only used the blue or the green and left out 2 dynamic bets that would have increased the edge further up to the 12%.
Welcome to reality! It's tough living in the real world sometimes...
Its your life falkor. Enjoy wasting it.
Quote from: celescliff on Apr 06, 04:38 AM 2017
Its your life falkor. Enjoy wasting it.
It's hard to enjoy life when surrounded by sheep who are constantly falling for phishing scams like NASA and the globe earth or debt collectors pretending to represent the tax office or clicking on phony links being sent by compromised apps. Instead they think Priyanka or the messenger is the scammer! It's even difficult to enjoy life on vacation - since we are always likely to encounter some idiot at airport security or at a local restaurant or coffee shop who tries to make our life hell.
But who is Priyanka? Not a single system posted on this forum. A person who play in shitty BV casino with huge list of withdrawals? Just think for a little bit. :o
What is up with BV?
Question for steve did priyanka or someone else hack your roulettte number generator ?
So now we are going back to 2016? Possibly the worst year of the forum. Some people can't work it out so they start to attack. It is so simple to let go or don't react if you don't believe it or don't care. Priyanka never tried to sell anything and never brags about winnings or having a winning method, and don't want to be called God. (This is for you Falkor :D ) I'm almost certain that in all of his videos he plays for real money, as you can only start with â,¬1000 in fun mode. That's another small sing to me that what he does is not BS.
Even Ken didn't receive this much hate, although he told everyone for years that he's a big winner and he will never share his secret method. No proof, but no one really cared.
Quote from: bigmoney on Apr 06, 07:28 PM 2017
Question for steve did priyanka or someone else hack your roulettte number generator ?
Yes. Priyanka did for sure. A simple hack to cheat now not possible. I've explained all the evidence before. There's no doubt.
Priyanka is nothing more than a hacker..
These people who say they have an edge ...
Well priyNka hacks into placrs to get an edge ...mystery solvef
all talks here reminds of this one
link:s://:.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/8c3cd28b-99cf-4fb2-b100-62ed67d6d97c (link:s://:.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/8c3cd28b-99cf-4fb2-b100-62ed67d6d97c)
You can say Pri hacked the game, made fake videos, heck we can add stole candy from a baby.
But non random still changes the way to look at this game and the possibilities. :xd:
All the information is there!!! just a matter of putting it together
What a croc
People say the pieces are there sounds like another shyster xalled kimo ...li.....
Quote from: bigmoney on Apr 10, 08:36 AM 2017
What a croc
People say the pieces are there sounds like another shyster xalled kimo ...li.....
The biggest phones, false flag, in the history of this forum is falkor. Writing is on the wall. He's been allowed to turn this forum into a mockery.
spot on :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 02:05 PM 2017
The biggest phones, false flag, in the history of this forum is falkor. Writing is on the wall. He's been allowed to turn this forum into a mockery.
*
phony not phones
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 02:05 PM 2017He's been allowed to turn this forum into a mockery
Should we ban him and why? There are a lot of inaccurate statements from many members but that doesnt mean we ban them.
I personally think he is trolling
Maybe I'm paranoid
Either way he doesn't make sense
On any forum you will find people you dont agree with. People who are nice. People who are arrogant. People who are deluded. You will find all sorts of people in every area of life. Basically the only time I ban people is if they are a sufficiently negative influence on the forum (like spammers and trolls). If ANY gambling forum admin banned people who gave incorrect or bad advice, the forums would be very quiet. I am not anyone's father protecting young minds here. If there is misleading or incorrect information here or anywhere, it should remain and people should learn from it. Learn the truth. Learn to be smart enough to know what's BS.
Its not admins responsibility to ban people they consider are wrong. It is everyone's own responsibility to take whatever information they want and make up their own mind. Its the same as real life.
I dont mean to be abrupt, but I think Falkor's theories are extremely wrong and not well thought out. And Priyanka has allowed people to be misled about his win rate on the roulette game. I've already given my opinion in both cases (and facts), and everyone can make up their own mind too. They are both doing things wrong in my opinion, but it is not justified to ban them.
Also as for some complaints about the quality of discussions on the forum . . . actually the members make the forum. Its like complaining about yourself. And you dont need to follow or read every conversation, just like changing the TV channel you dont like. Anyone at any time can choose to contribute and share something of value.
Bigmoney,
On what grounds do you make your accusation? I am calling you out. I don't care who you are. What I do care about is slander and defamation of character.
Kimo Li
Quote from: Kimo Li on Apr 10, 10:19 PM 2017
Bigmoney,
On what grounds do you make your accusation? I am calling you out. I don't care who you are. What I do care about is slander and defamation of character.
Kimo Li
You use mechanical systems (no AP) for personal gain. On a game at which the math cannot be changed
That makes you a hack
Sorry
Quote from: Steve on Apr 10, 09:54 PM 2017
I am not anyone's father protecting young minds here. If there is misleading or incorrect information here or anywhere, it should remain and people should learn from it. Learn the truth. Learn to be smart enough to know what's BS.
Its not admins responsibility to ban people they consider are wrong. It is everyone's own responsibility to take whatever information they want and make up their own mind. Its the same as real life.
Well stated.
The above statements (especially, the ones highlighted above) should be kept in mind not only about some of the stuff Gilius-Falkor has written about, but also in regards to all the negative progression crap that has been posted on this (and other roulette forums) over the years.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 11:23 PM 2017
You use mechanical systems (no AP) for personal gain. On a game at which the math cannot be changed
That makes you a hack
Sorry
You have no clue as to what I use to play roulette.
That makes you...ig......(uninformed).
Sorry
Quote from: Steve on Apr 10, 09:54 PM 2017
Anyone at any time can choose to contribute and share something of value.
I like poopy snoot.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18348.msg171905#msg171905
link:s://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8V2R2PUfxa7U1NNV05mMldKNGc/view
(link:s://s23.postimg.org/mctb6h84b/Untitled.png)
(link:s://talgroupinc.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/careerlesson_explainitto6yearold.png?w=768)
Exactly
And judging by the posts and charts like the one two poss above, it's a troll with a LOT of time on his hands
You don't actually think he believes this do you?
Hi Priyanka,
Im new here and have been following your posts for a while now... Needless to say I'm very interested in your system and the way in which you approach the game of roulette.
Obviously I'm trying to figure out how you bet, where and when... (in your personal system) now I understand that you don't want to divulge anymore or give step by step instructions which I respect however I wonder if you might indulge me with a few questions. Hopefully that will help clarify things what you have already stated in the past.
1). In your humble opinion What non-randon theory/principle should we study the most?
2). Are you combining this principle with the LOT (Law of thirds) to reach the advantage you speak of?
3). Do you use a parachute type progression when your non random event fails to materialize?
4). What is your starting bet placement.. Ie.. Dozens or six line... Etc.
5). Do you think the pigeon hole principle is of little value, medium value, or great value to us as players?
I know that you may not be able to answer some of these questions but it's worth a shot as I genuinely believe that you have found a way of perception that many cannot.
Kindest regards
Malvador
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 12, 12:58 PM 2017
1). In your humble opinion What non-randon theory/principle should we study the most?
Different people have used different non random principles with varying degrees of success. The common non-random theory that people use without even knowing non-random is "repeaters". That could be a good starting point. Starting from knowing when a repeat happens, then moving on to where it happens and how it happens - there is so much undiscovered. The key irrespective of the method you use is, not to play spins or numbers, but to play for an event.
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 12, 12:58 PM 2017
2). Are you combining this principle with the LOT (Law of thirds) to reach the advantage you speak of?
No. I don't. Having said that statistics and probability are always a good guiding points. Will you be surprised if I say there is no law that is called as law of thirds in mathematics. Think about it. Think about why one can observe such phenomenon in statistical averages. Then you will find your statistic that is unbalanced in this mathematically balanced game. Then you have the selection or the event and the predictability that people talk about.
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 12, 12:58 PM 2017
3). Do you use a parachute type progression when your non random event fails to materialize?
One doesn't have to. The key is finding parallel plays. Parachuting is a potential parallel play but not the only one.
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 12, 12:58 PM 2017
4). What is your starting bet placement.. Ie.. Dozens or six line... Etc.
The concepts are so versatile it can be applied to any roulette playing positions. But depending on the concept you apply some of them may yield notable imbalance, some may not. So it is not a question of what is the starting bet, it is a question of what is the position that yield the imbalance for the event you select. As to my preference, I do prefer lines. But that has got nothing to do with the concepts here.
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 12, 12:58 PM 2017
5). Do you think the pigeon hole principle is of little value, medium value, or great value to us as players?
I don't get the question :). I would say I find the principle enticing.
now, while I encourage you to look into non-random, I would also like to discourage you by saying there is no single person including me has posted a method that beats roulette using these concepts. Sometimes theory doesn't get backed up in practicality. Be aware.
Why do you prefer lines then, Priyanka? Does it have something to do with the 55% for 3 uniques lines in 3 spins? And why is that any more significant than 2 dozens in 3 spins being the more likely event (MLE)?
Thank you so much for your enlightening answers... Surely if you play in this style the one you have described (ie. Events not spins) it would be more like chess than roulette? The strategic placement of chips when your "events" is more likely to happen, removing them and moving almost continuously to keep up... It feels more like a "game" playing this way... If I'm on the same wavelength of thought at least.
You truly have been an inspiration to me and thank you for that...
May I summarize your answers like this: Events happen with more predictably than spins, our task is to find the relationship between thoose events.
Would you agree?
Malvador
Priyanka,
May I also ask your opinion on parallel games? What do you mean by parallel?
Side by side? Or playing numerically parallel streams of a certain cycle length?
Sorry for bothering you but am so intrigued into your thought process. The task of finding a reliable structure in a random stream is mathematically exciting and has huge implications.
It's a real honour to have your guidance. So thank you again for your time.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 13, 03:14 AM 2017Different people have used different non random principles with varying degrees of success. The common non-random theory that people use without even knowing non-random is "repeaters". That could be a good starting point. Starting from knowing when a repeat happens, then moving on to where it happens and how it happens - there is so much undiscovered. The key irrespective of the method you use is, not to play spins or numbers, but to play for an event.
Just a quick thought on this... We observe this phenomenon because we are adding more spins to our event or cycle. As our cycle grows it has more and more chance of repeating/ending?
This was my first ever puzzle game...
Anyone played Lemmings before?
link:://:.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Apr 13, 02:58 PM 2017
This was my first ever puzzle game...
Anyone played Lemmings before?
link:://:.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
I fail to see the relevance falkor? Please can we try and keep on track as I don't want Priyanka to lose interest in discussing the principles that we want to learn.
Many thanks
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 13, 03:14 AM 2017there is no single person including me has posted a method that beats roulette using these concepts
:thumbsup:
Quote from: praline on Apr 13, 03:09 PM 2017
That's Why we still can play roulette against casino.
Hmmm... Interesting point Praline, maybe we are being lead further from the truth in order to protect the method? I hope not but it would be a wise descion.. If for example I was in possession of such a method I would want to protect it for as long as possible? Anyone intelligent enough to exploit randomness would surely protect it? One way of protecting it would be to steer everyone in the opposite direction maybe?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Apr 13, 02:58 PM 2017
This was my first ever puzzle game...
Anyone played Lemmings before?
link:://:.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
Gilius-Falkor,
From the little snippet that I played, it seems very similar to the Japanese puzzle game of Sokoban.
Sokoban is one of my all-time favorite puzzle games.
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 13, 10:18 AM 2017Events happen with more predictably than spins, our task is to find the relationship between thoose events.
:)
Spins and events are equally predictable. Playing based on spins or numbers will always lead to the expectation of game if not worse. Playing based on events may provide a possibility to overcome the expectation of the game.
Thank you for your wisdom again Priyanka, I must admit that I feel frustrated in myself that I cannot seem to peice the puzzle together, I am trying! How would one combine a knowledge of events and cycles of these events into a bet selection or moreover into a betting amount? A kick in the right direction would be very much appreciated.
Spins and events operate in the same manner; organize them into groups most familiar to you. Each occurrence will produce separate results. The piece everyone is looking for is the actual event.
What does this mean? It means the player does not need any tracking device, manual or computer.
It means you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it.
Know this, any player who has tried to decipher the winning formula, whether through math, statistic, AP, or other methods, have touched upon at least one facet of events. Events are not random by nature, nor are spins. As Priyanka stated, “Spins and events are equally predictable.â€
Events facilitate spins to become winners. Using Priyanka’s numbers, basic events:
7
4
32
30
5
21
9
7
R
B
R
R
R
R
R
R
L
L
H
H
L
H
L
L
O
E
E
E
O
O
O
O
See the basic events.
Complex events operate on a different level, but the principles are the same.
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 13, 03:02 PM 2017
I fail to see the relevance falkor? Please can we try and keep on track as I don't want Priyanka to lose interest in discussing the principles that we want to learn.
Many thanks
FYI: your failure to see the relevance is what led to your assumption about my post being off-topic. And it's assumptions like that, i.e. human stupidity, that leads to mass programming regarding topics like roulette being unbeatable or, say, Earth - the place we call home - resembling a spinning ball through space with other 3D bodies as well as not-so-3D bodies like black holes, etc. Can you see how easy it is to go off-track there?
Thank you for your opinion falkor, I didn't mean to offend you, I just wanted to keep the focus on the topic being discussed without anything abstract... The principles Priyanka are leading us to.. Need to be focused upon. That's all I was saying.
Again apologies if I offended you
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Apr 14, 08:33 AM 2017call home - resembling a spinning ball through space with other 3D bodies as well as not-so-3D bodies like black holes
like it you old dog >:D
Quote from: Kimo Li on Apr 14, 12:03 AM 2017
What does this mean? It means the player does not need any tracking device, manual or computer.
It means you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it.
This is where I am struggling, but I do NOT know the right questions to ask.
No one in their right mind would give up their signature event. But, I will give you an example of basic events.
You see, events are created, non-random. Create you own event. Apply it when you see it.
RBRBRBRB
LHLHLHLH
OEOEOEOE
Spins
07
04
32
30
05
21
09
07
Events
R-O-L
B-E-H
R-O-L
B-E-H
R-O-L
B-E-H
R-O-L
B-E-H
Spins and RB Event
-07-R-R-W
-04-B-B-W
-32-R-R-W
-30-R-B-L
-05-R-R-W
-21-R-B-L
-09-R-R-W
-07-R-B-L
Spins and OE Event
-07-O-O-W
-04-E-E-W
-32-E-O-L
-30-E-E-W
-05-O-O-W
-21-O-E-L
-09-O-O-W
-07-O-E-L
Spins and LH Event
-07-L-L-W
-04-L-H-L
-32-H-L-L
-30-H-H-W
-05-L-L-W
-21-H-H-W
-09-L-L-W
-07-L-H-L
Another question for Priyanka... do all events have to be repeats of some kind or do Kimo Li's examples of events also qualify, i.e. R-O-L.? In other words: events have to have limits right, otherwise we can't possibly have any predictability over them?
Kimo Li, thank you for you example of an "event". It has given me some new ideas.
This posting is delayed because I prefer to think and analyze something.
Also, I had no intention of asking for your signature event.
Best Regards,
Is there any evidence that betting "events" give you an edge? Is it because events have less variance making it easy to overcome with a progression? I'm thinking the worse case scenerio over millions of spins is something like 25 reds in a row (or something like that). Is it likely that a 50/50 "event" can be that bad?
Quote from: Scarface on Apr 15, 03:23 PM 2017
Is there any evidence that betting "events" give you an edge? Is it because events have less variance making it easy to overcome with a progression? I'm thinking the worse case scenerio over millions of spins is something like 25 reds in a row (or something like that). Is it likely that a 50/50 "event" can be that bad?
I don't think events do have less variance; notwithstanding positions they have constant ratios, be it 50% or 66%, to match single spin counterparts, on ECs or double dozens, say. This means that associated variance, i.e deficit and clustering is comparable based on the maths expectation. The only significance to the events that Pri refers to is that they don't occur on single spins - but through multiple spins governed by limits. That's why I believe Kimo Li's description may not be compatible with Priyanka's.
Quote from: Scarface on Apr 15, 03:23 PM 2017
Is there any evidence that betting "events" give you an edge? Is it because events have less variance making it easy to overcome with a progression? I'm thinking the worse case scenerio over millions of spins is something like 25 reds in a row (or something like that). Is it likely that a 50/50 "event" can be that bad?
No events have their own Math statistics. So there's less variance
Hi stringbeanpc,
You are welcome. I know you had no intention of asking for my signature event. I was referring to others like Priyanka. They will not disclose how they track events or what events they use. The EC example I used was just to show how events work.
Quote from Priyanka: « Reply #61 on: April 13, 2017, 07:14:41 AM »
“Different people have used different non random principles with varying degrees of success. The common non-random theory that people use without even knowing non-random is "repeaters". That could be a good starting point. Starting from knowing when a repeat happens, then moving on to where it happens and how it happens - there is so much undiscovered. The key irrespective of the method you use is, not to play spins or numbers, but to play for an event.â€
The above quote, Priyanka gives you the smoke. What all players seek is the fire. “Repeaters†is an example, to which most are familiar. Yes, it is an event. Subsequently, Priyanka wants you to know, when, where, and how events happen, but will not tell you.
I will provide a clue. See attached. Keep in mind, it's just a clue.
Kimo Li
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Apr 15, 03:57 PM 2017
No events have their own Math statistics. So there's less variance
Evidence? Do you have any examples of this?
Quote from: Scarface on Apr 15, 07:59 PM 2017
Evidence? Do you have any examples of this?
To find the answer to that your going to have to read through every math statistic Falkor put up in the last 2 years :twisted:
hahaha.... no but you need to choose your event. Currently the most talked about in here are Priyankas' cycles. She posted an excel sheet that gives you percentages for quads,dozens,and lines in the "Random Thoughts" thread between page 22-35 i cant remember exactly.
Go punch in some numbers and see how the stats hold true for a set of spin
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Apr 15, 08:35 PM 2017
To find the answer to that your going to have to read through every math statistic Falkor put up in the last 2 years :twisted:
Nooooooo! Lol
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Apr 15, 08:35 PM 2017
hahaha.... no but you need to choose your event. Currently the most talked about in here are Priyankas' cycles. She posted an excel sheet that gives you percentages for quads,dozens,and lines in the "Random Thoughts" thread between page 22-35 i cant remember exactly.
Go punch in some numbers and see how the stats hold true for a set of spin
I read through that thread awhile back, and pri's cycle percentages are in line with expectation...no edge. It's like saying red will occur 50% of the time. I have yet to see Pri or Kimo provide any evidence of an edge in roulette. Maybe these guys want a cult like following to be seen as roulette experts.
Personally, if I found and edge I would share it with this forum. Whas the point of all these cryptic clues. Someone could announce a winning method on here, and most people would still not be displined enough to play it. The casinos will not shut down just because a small percentage of people have an edge. Blackjack is still in business despite card counting.
I don't know, guess I'm just tired of reading through these long threads that don't actually say anything.
QuoteI will provide a clue. See attached. Keep in mind, it's just a clue
...
:xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :question: :question: :question:
You figured it out!!!
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Still chance
or this one... :xd: :xd: :xd:
Yes maestro, you are right. " he don't have a system "
Questions for Priyanka:
Do you have a system? Is it too easy or too hard, like the idea of Chaos theory? Or it is still chance?
I believe you are the maestro of events, leading the audience, possibly to the climax, of disclosure, while some believe it’s just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Whether it’s true or not, well played.
KL
Quote from: Kimo Li on Apr 16, 10:30 AM 2017
Questions for Priyanka:
I believe you are the maestro of events, leading the audience, possibly to the climax, of disclosure, while some believe it’s just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Whether it’s true or not, well played.
KL
It's like watching yourself in the living mirror. Well played, you and Priyanka, well played.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 16, 04:23 AM 2017
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Still chance
Notto, what do you think....still same chance ?
NR
12 a a
4 b a
23 a b
7 b b
34 a a
4 b a
18 a b
9 b b
28 a a
3 b a
5 a b
29 b b
33 a a
1 b a
17 a b
15 b b
----------------------------------------------
Nr
11 a a
14 b a
25 c b
7 a b
34 b c
24 c c
11 a a
13 b a
28 c b
36 a b
5 b c
29 c c
31 a a
19 b a
27 c b
30 a b
4 b c
8 c c
Yes, still chance at the end of the day.
When we never see another post from the supplier of a winning method, then maybe they have something, but it's still a game of chance
why chance, have stats showing 16 remaining non-hit, now here's the word, usually, hit within 4 spins, thats 89.19% currently
In Aspers where they have everyone playing one wheel using their touch screens, the 21 #'s that had come, repeated for 21 spins, so there you go, still chance
Just left multi-player
my event collect the last 15 unique, came in 4 spins,plenty there to witness this event.
But why the last 15 unique, it was a topic of roulette ghost. He has 15#'s he plays, again its chance :thumbsup:
The last 10 days work out when the 21st non-hit has come and see how many games go more than 4 spins for the 22nd non-hit to come, i'll tell you todays game 19/4/17
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Kat and everyone go to topic ROTT, theres a suggestion from pri the one you all hold in awe, no disresepect Pri.
Reply 19 read on from there, thats why it was better to bet non-hit
Save some time
Look in column D the non-hit count, you'll see where betting 16 non-hit, still chance
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I am not against non hits, but i prefer to bet on already hit numbers. Groups of numbers
will hit/repeat at some point in a different position from already hit position. I take in consideration the non hits numbers which can hit in the next spins, but my attack is only for few spins, if win then ok, if lose then i take my win fron next session, or with proper MM and possitive progression.
Sometimes i add the non hits(new hits) to the group(s) , but in this case the group have less numbers and i can add few more new hits to the group.
Cheers
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 19, 12:27 PM 2017
Kat and everyone go to topic ROTT, theres a suggestion from pri the one you all hold in awe, no disresepect Pri.
Reply 19 read on from there, thats why it was better to bet non-hit
I searched for ROTT and all that appears is your post above.
please post the link to this topic, and tell us what ROTT is an acronym for ?
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Apr 19, 12:58 PM 2017
I searched for ROTT and all that appears is your post above.
please post the link to this topic, and tell us what ROTT is an acronym for ?
ROTT Riddle Of The Trot, its in notepad page 2
Thanks notto for this clue :thumbsup:
Notto,
Also if one plays the already hit splits( for example) , then
there is involved both....hit and unhit numbers
Out of interest on the VLS site many years ago i posted something like the devil #'s, i made them out of 666, think i had 6 or 9 #'s, the point here is they are random numbers not the remaining 6 or 9 non-hit.
It showed to me betting random #'s do not come in as quickly as remaining non-hit do. This was why i showed Pri random against remaining non-hit is not as good.
But this is my opinion, so i mght be right or totally going in the wrong direction placing my belief in non-hit.
When i re-read GUT after pouring scorn on it after my first time of hearing about it, it totally made sense, why i hear you all shouting.
What is the larger group when you start? non-hit, obviously nothing has happened, but after the 1st spin what is the larger group,( non-hit).
So at what point do non-hit become less favourable to bet? That is still to be found.
Theres plenty posted on finding the repeat, as said look to Luck of the Irish, fantastic info.
Out of curiosity, watch groups of 10 spins, i post sheets with groups of 10 spins, thats where the 75% topic comes from.
Good Luck, but better to use Knowledge gained from your experiances and read info, which you can either take on board or totally disregard
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 19, 01:27 PM 2017
Notto,
Also if one plays the already hit splits( for example) , then
there is involved both....hit and unhit numbers
A good point, something to look at.
It gets boring, but yesterday we randomly looked at betting the remaining 16 non-hit.
So here is 430 games it's showing the 22nd non-hit has hit, so you would be laying 16 #'s as the 21st has already hit, ok.
What do you see? the max its taken to hit is 16 spins, its average to hit is 2.327, total spins for the 430 games 1001.
Now what chance have you of winning if you was to bet for its average to hit rounded up to 3 spins, an 80.46% chance.
What of 4 spins, 89.06%
Still chance thou.
The question is should you go straight in for 3 or 4 spins, or wait 3 or 4 spins, does knowing this help in a game of chance, also a small batch of games, but even stats for a 879 games is close to the same data.
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seeing the above and knowing a certain percentage could get you the win, does this give confidence to use a progression.
Say you could go 7 spins, you would so far lost 9 times. would the wins pay for the 9 that have lost?
What about this way....if you go for non hits:
Attack only 12 from that 16 non hits ( you look for 4 most sleeper numbers and don t bet them)
and bet that 12 for the next max. 4 ( or 5 ) spins , then W or L4 stop. You bet again after new
*trigger * others 16 non hits , again bet for 4 spins...so on....I would use possitive progresion/levels,
like 1,1,2,3 / 4,4,5,6 / 7,8,9,10 / 12,15,20,25 .......
Other option is bet the 12 non hit but bet split stile , so 24 numbers bet, this way you cover unhit
and hit numbers , but the attack is only for two spins (or 3 ?) and leveller progression 1,2,4,8,16,32 stay on top
until new high, of course bet only twice (or 3 )like i said then bet again only twice ( 3 )after new trigger ...so on...
About the already hit numbers ...are to many numbers to bet on...unless you put them in groups
and attack only one group
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 21, 04:51 AM 2017
What about this way....if you go for non hits:
Attack only 12 from that 16 non hits ( you look for 4 most sleeper numbers and don t bet them) As the day starts it begins with 60 spins, in that time hopefully 1st profit from spin 11 has won. This will answer the 16 non-hit, as we've just started the 16 remaining are sleeping equally as its first 60 spins, if the win is achieved by either decision of wait or attack straight away, it would be move to a new stream of numbers.
and bet that 12 for the next max. 4 ( or 5 ) spins , then W or L4 stop. You bet again after new
*trigger * others 16 non hits , again bet for 4 spins...so on....I would use possitive progresion/levels,
like 1,1,2,3 / 4,4,5,6 / 7,8,9,10 / 12,15,20,25 .......
Other option is bet the 12 non hit but bet split stile , so 24 numbers bet, this way you cover unhit
and hit numbers GLC mentioned this way, but i prefer to bet as singles , but the attack is only for two spins (or 3 ?) and leveller progression 1,2,4,8,16,32 stay on top
until new high, of course bet only twice (or 3 )like i said then bet again only twice ( 3 )after new trigger ...so on...
About the already hit numbers ...are to many numbers to bet on...unless you put them in groups
and attack only one group Yes to many numbers, this is why i look to spin 20, if none have gone 3, then bet the 2's to become 3's, but here can get to many, but its like Denzie says drop some, so when the 3 is achieved, just bet those 3's to go 4, but increase the unit. As mentioned in the 75% topic
I will comeback to this reply and read again as i've just got todays Jackpot numbers of the video recording and can see from the spins its fast to start, so my trial of thought is on that,
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 21, 04:51 AM 2017
Other option is bet the 12 non hit but bet split stile , so 24 numbers bet, this way you cover unhit
and hit numbers , but the attack is only for two spins (or 3 ?) and leveller progression 1,2,4,8,16,32 stay on top
until new high, of course bet only twice (or 3 )like i said then bet again only twice ( 3 )after new trigger ...so on...
About the already hit numbers ...are to many numbers to bet on...unless you put them in groups
and attack only one group
Kattila,
From my limited experiments with Nottop's methods, I can tell you that it is not productive to mix non-hit numbers with hit numbers. You will get forced into negative progression territory sooner.
That is why I do NOT think it is a good idea to bet on splits. Splits, obviously, will include both hits and non-hits, and these two groups of numbers dance to their own respective cycles.
If you are going to use Nottop's methods, just bet on non-hit numbers ONLY (as he suggests).
Just my .02 cents' worth of opinion.
Hi DoctorSudoku,
It was just a talk and an exchange of ideas with Notto. It is clear that me and he ...have
different views and stile regarding roulette.
I admit ..i focus more on hit numbers , on the repeat of groups of numbers/ patterns/ gaps/splits.....etc....and of course possitive progressions. I respect his work and i supose he respect mine.
And betting on mixed bet like hit and unhit ( examlple splits) have nothing to do in my case with negative progressions
Cheers
Hi Kattila, I once started a topic about positive progression in another forum.
I just had a question to you how to play a strategy for 1 dozen.
I found in Yours old posts interesting progressions. But I do not know exactly how I play
Can use flat bet or use positive progression.
When bett 6 splits, bet for max. 8 spins, L1L2LL3L4 and L1L2L3L4 or W
Levels: 1,1,2,3 / 3,4,4,5 / 5,6,6,7 / 7,8,9, 10 ...... 10,12,14,16 / 16,18,20,24 / 26,28, 30, 30 ... ..
Don t rise bets after L4, stay at same level or down one level, rise only after W if necesary
(See bad run around spin 200, never rise bets after L4, stay at first level)
As in any positive progression, the steps are increased after the win, but when we increase the levels?
Should we win 4 straight bets to raise the level?
It would be very helpful if you wrote a little and gave examples.
Incrase level after one win (i sent you example )
Quote :
**
That is why I do NOT think it is a good idea to bet on splits. Splits, obviously, will include both hits and non-hits, and these two groups of numbers dance to their own respective cycles. ***
Wrong,
Not everything in roulette *dance in cycles*
Betting on splits it is a good idea if you have a good bet selection based on splits.
I never bet more than 9 splits ( but 7 or 8 splits it s my fav) and never with negative progr.
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 22, 03:28 AM 2017
Quote :
**
That is why I do NOT think it is a good idea to bet on splits. Splits, obviously, will include both hits and non-hits, and these two groups of numbers dance to their own respective cycles. ***
Wrong,
Not everything in roulette *dance in cycles*
Betting on splits it is a good idea if you have a good bet selection based on splits.
I never bet more than 9 splits ( but 7 or 8 splits it s my fav) and never with negative progr.
Have to disagree with you on your statement about "Not everything in roulette *dance in cycles*.
In my opinion (based on my own playing experiences), cycles and trends are important whether you are talking about betting in craps, baccarat, or roulette.
Then from me.......happy winnings with the cycles , and for me happy winnings with my ""bad"" splits ./patterns /mixed and remixed
hit and unhit stuff....
Have a nice day
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 04, 03:38 PM 2017
My first name is Sana. What's in a name :)
Priyanka!
Today it striked my mind, not just the name. I have this strong feeling that you are the person I know. you are Priyanka S-- T------
May be Telepathy? my reasoning is : I understand your game play (most of it) in a week, and this strong feeling.
May be im going crazy, its just a fine line.
Please answer yes or no (only truth)
Rajesh