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Title: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 16, 08:45 PM 2017
I have never been good at coming up with progressions

lets say, hypothetically speaking you were doing a 3 step bet series

1st bet was 3DS (18 numbers)

if it is lost 2nd bet is 4DS (24 numbers)

if it is lost 3rd bet is 5DS (30 numbers)

would the proper progression for one unit profit be

1 1 1   (1 unit on 3 lines)

2 2 2 2 (2 units on 4 lines)

6 6 6 6 6 (6 units on 5 lines)

a 1-2-6 progression
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Bettingking on Apr 17, 12:47 AM 2017
It jumps quite high to 12 units per line on the 3rd spin to win just 1 unit.
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: NextYear on Apr 17, 03:16 AM 2017
You wish, RG....
Proper progression would be 1-2-12!
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 17, 06:57 AM 2017
Thanks. I had an idea that works 99% of the time but not worth the risk of that progression
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 17, 07:41 AM 2017
$355 buy in with $5 chips

One bust would require 71 wins to recover lol
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 17, 10:17 AM 2017
To add to this: how often do 6 unique double streets in a row show?

My idea was wait for 3 unique in a row. Bet those 3. If lose bet those 4. If lose bet those 5

Was just an idea that popped
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: sugtips on Apr 18, 09:26 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 17, 10:17 AM 2017
To add to this: how often do 6 unique double streets in a row show?

My idea was wait for 3 unique in a row. Bet those 3. If lose bet those 4. If lose bet those 5

Was just an idea that popped

Sir I have tested it, its working very well, but how about waiting for 4 unique DS in a row and then start 1-2-12 prog?

or any other better progression idea?
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 18, 10:39 AM 2017
I am not a fan of the progression

But like you, I've had good results in zumma

6 unique DS in a row to show is most definitely a rarity.

Waiting for 4 unique is "safer"

If anyone on the forum reading this has live wheel results showing 6 unique DS in a row I'd definitely like to see

Title: Re: progression question
Post by: bobby on Apr 18, 11:03 AM 2017
Hey RG, here are some stats on double streets.

Out of 30k live spins from a double zero wheel. I looked at rolling 6 spins. Here is the distribution of unique values in 6 spins.

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/18/temp_553835.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/AXYL)

3% of the time six spins will have six unique DS.

Title: Re: progression question
Post by: sugtips on Apr 20, 03:00 AM 2017
Quote from: bobby on Apr 18, 11:03 AM 2017
Hey RG, here are some stats on double streets.

Out of 30k live spins from a double zero wheel. I looked at rolling 6 spins. Here is the distribution of unique values in 6 spins.

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/18/temp_553835.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/AXYL)

3% of the time six spins will have six unique DS.

Thanks bobby for this data.

I have 2 requests to you:

1) Can you provide data with Single Zero?
2) Can you give any sample excel sheet where I input my spin data and get similar stats result like yours?

thanks and regards
SugTips
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 20, 06:24 AM 2017
Now the question is given this math of averages can a 1 2 12 survive
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: sugtips on Apr 20, 07:02 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 20, 06:24 AM 2017
Now the question is given this math of averages can a 1 2 12 survive

we need to test below on single zero table:
always start prog after 3 unique, if lost wait for another 3 uniq,

then we need to check that 1-2-12 will survive or not.

I am surviving till now but still on smaller data test, needs test on large data size
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 20, 09:18 AM 2017
Quote from: bobby on Apr 18, 11:03 AM 2017
Hey RG, here are some stats on double streets.

Out of 30k live spins from a double zero wheel. I looked at rolling 6 spins. Here is the distribution of unique values in 6 spins.

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/18/temp_553835.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/AXYL)

3% of the time six spins will have six unique DS.

4 uniques most likely

How can we use this info
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: bobby on Apr 20, 11:02 PM 2017
4 uniques per 6 = 2+ repeats per 6 > 67% of the time...

Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 08:09 AM 2017
6 unique happens only 3 % of the time

Surprised the thread is silent
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Priyanka on Apr 24, 08:20 AM 2017
RG - it half of that closer to 1.5%. Once I used to wait for 6uniques to happen and then play once for a repeat within 4 spins. Forgot how the results came out. But I remember that it was not a long wait. Within a set of 60 spins, I had and average of 2-3 times when I had 6 uniques.
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 08:26 AM 2017
6 unique DS in a row?
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Priyanka on Apr 24, 10:42 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 08:26 AM 2017
6 unique DS in a row?
Yes. For example, check the Efbet spins posted by Mortagon today. 6 unique DS happens from the 4th spin.
Check spins from yesterday. It happens twice in about 100 spins.


Today's spins
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/24/temp_269889.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/RmdA)

Yesterday's spins
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/24/temp_900447.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/Rrjs)
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 11:22 AM 2017
Trying to create a system around this. Perhaps wait for 3 or 4 uniques then bet in some type of way

Not a long wait
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Priyanka on Apr 24, 12:00 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 11:22 AM 2017
Trying to create a system around this. Perhaps wait for 3 or 4 uniques then bet in some type of way

Not a long wait
Tried a few times, it always comes out failure. I even tried for 5 uniques and put a progression around it. I got 3 continuous 5 uniques :). Let me know how you get along. Happy to help testing if there is a way. DS do interest me a lot! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Kattila on Apr 24, 03:08 PM 2017
RG,

Try this easy bet selection for two double streets:
bet two ds  in position back  3 and 4  , or positions 2 and 3
Attack for 4  spins, W or L4  change to new trigger
Progression possitive levels ( rise level after w )

1,1,2,3 / 4,5,6,7 / 8,9,10,12 / 12,14,15,20 / 22,25,30,35 /

40,50,60,80 .

Never rise bets after L4, down one level or stay at same level
Use target  and stop lose ( for ex. + 150,  and -300 )

After two attacks  better wait few spins ( wait changes)
can wait 2 or 3 spins , your choise


24   4               
25   5     
15   3      bet  4 and 5     
14   2      l1
26   5      w      ,  bet 5 and 3     
13   3      w       
12   2               
24   4     bet 3 and 2         
24   4      l1     
9   2        w,  bet  2 and 4     
5   1        l1     
11   2       w       
7   2               
31   6      bet 1 ad 2         
28   5     l1     
32   6     l2       
3   1       w,  bet 5 and 6     
6   1        l1               
0   0       l2       
9     2     l3     
35   6     w     
24   4             
36   6     bet 2 and 6   
11   2     w,  bet  4 an 6
20   4     w   
28   5               
15   3      bet 4 and 2         
26   5     l1         
31   6      l2       
10   2      w,  bet  3 an 5   
24   4      l1   
30   5      w   
30   5           
24   4       bet 4 and 5       
22   4      w,  bet 5 and 4         
30   5      w         
9   2           
13   3         
16   3       bet 2 and 5   
4   1         l1     
11   2      w,  bet  2 and 3         
35   6       l1     
6   1        l2   
33   6       l3     
30   5       l4  stop       
0   0               
14   3               
7   2               
12   2        bet 3 and 5     
6   1          l1     
33   6       l2       
27   5        w  , bet 1 and 2
11   2        w     
33   6           
2   1         bet 2 and 5     
28   5        w,  bet 2 and 6       
6   1         l1     
1   1         l2     
33   6       w         
19   4             
18   3             
10   2        bet 4 and 6     
25   5       l1
35   6       w, bet 2 and 3       
15   3       w       
16   3               
36   6        bet 3 and 6       
30   5       l1     
33   6       w, bet 3 and 6       
36   6       w     
23   4               
35   6               
1   1       

I can show more bet selections , just tell me(for  two Ds or 4 Ds)

cheers
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Priyanka on Apr 24, 03:51 PM 2017
Nice one. How do you play the progressions. Little confused there. Did you play 1,1,2,3 and winning that go to 4,56,7 and if lost at L4 stay at 1,1,23
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Kattila on Apr 24, 04:29 PM 2017
Hi Pri,
Yes like that or there are more variations.
Win on lev 1 go to lev 2, lost lev 2 go to lev 1 and  stay there until w then rise to lev 2.
So can rise level only after win, after lose
any level go down one level .....or stay at the same until w then rise again.Also when new
high in bankroll can reset tp lev 1.
If for example catch a bad session reset before  to have new high, so reset when close to last high or reset when break even( or around).   Or......
Also  if win flat bet lev 1 , can stay flat , then when L4 still stay lev 1until w, now rise level.
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Kattila on Apr 24, 07:27 PM 2017


Another bet selection,
First try to make chops( ababa...), if not possible
make other patterns ( aabba,  ababb, aabbb ..etc...)
Always need min. 5 spins (or 6), if chops bet FTL,  if
other pattern bet the second last position ( SLP).



24   4     a
25   5     b
15   3     a
14   2    b
26   5    b  bet second last position (SLP)
13   3    a   l1
12   2    b   w
--------------------------------
24   4    a
24   4     a
5   1       b
11   2      b
7   2       b    bet  slp
31   6     a  new  l1
28   5     a new  l2
32   6     a  w
----------------------------------
3   1     
0   0             
9     2     a
35   6     b
24   4     a
36   6     b
11   2     a  bet FTL
20   4     a   w
--------------------------
28   5     a
15   3     b   
26   5     a
31   6     b 
10   2     a  ftl
24   4     b new  l1
30   5     a  l2
30   5     a   w
....................................
24   4    a   
22   4    a   
30   5    b
9   2      b
13   3    a   slp
16   3    a  l1
4   1      b new  l2 
11   2    b  l3  stop
-------------------------------
35   6    a
6   1      b
33   6    a
30   5    b
0   0               
14   3    a  ftl
7   2      b new l1   
12   2    b   w
---------------------------------------- 
6   1       a
33   6      b 
27   5      a
11   2      b       
33   6      b    slp
2   1        a   l1
28   5      a   l2       
6   1        a   w
------------------------------------   
1   1        a
33   6      b       
19   4      a       
18   3      b     
10   2      a  ftl     
25   5      b new  l1
35   6      b  w
----------------------------------   
15   3     a         
16   3     a         
36   6     b         
30   5     b 
33   6     b  slp         
36   6     b    w
--------------------------------
23   4     a       
35   6     b         
1    1      a
12   2     b
2    1      a   ftl
28  5      b  new  l1
5    1      a   l2
23  4      a   w
------------------------------
13   3     a
31   6     b
17   3     a
2   1      b
3   1      b  slp
21   4     a new  l1
7   2      a new  l2
2   1      b   l3  stop
.........................................
5     1      a
13   3      a
32   6      b
32   6      b
5   1        a   slp
36   6      b  w
--------------------------
26   5      a
8   2        b
23   4      a
31   6      b
19   4      a  ftl
20   4      a  w
---------------------------
10   2     a
4     1     b
11   2     a
16   3     b
36   6     a   ftl
21   4     b new  l1
9   2      a  l2
15   3    b  l3  stop
-----------------------------
17   3     a
22   4     b
11   2     a
31   6     b
7   2       a  ftl
13   3     a  w
----------------------------
30   5     a
9    2      b
15   3     a
27   5     a
34   6     b   slp
33   6     b  l1
17   3     a  l2
10   2     b  w
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: sugtips on Apr 25, 05:39 AM 2017
Hi All,

how about this :
idea from an old post:

how many times we see DS coming like this: 1,2,3,4,5,6
how about betting like this  first ds, 1&2 ds, 123 ds, 1234ds, 12345ds, 12345ds, 12345ds.
using kattila prog or winkel ext-fib (as suggested by Ignatus), seems both similar

Love and Light,
SugTips

Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Priyanka on Apr 25, 05:46 AM 2017
Sugtips - are you suggesting the first bet will be on one DS1. Second bet on DS1 and DS2 and so on. 
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: sugtips on Apr 25, 06:03 AM 2017
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 25, 05:46 AM 2017
Sugtips - are you suggesting the first bet will be on one DS1. Second bet on DS1 and DS2 and so on.

Yes exactly, for example if we lost 2nd bet, then 3rd bet will be on ds1, ds2 and ds3
Title: Re: progression question
Post by: Kattila on Apr 25, 07:14 AM 2017
Betting that way from 1 ds  till 5 ds it s not a good idea from my point of view,
progression can go very HIGH when bet on 5 Ds. One can be lucky for long and
not hit the order  Ds 1,2,3.4,5, 6 but random can produce any order from time
to time.  Not for me.....

Title: Re: progression question
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 25, 07:48 AM 2017
All interesting stuff

I like double street systems

I used to play 3 DS at a time as an EC. I couldn't never win consistently.