When I started the random thoughts topic, the only intention was exploring non-random concepts and seeing whether we can get playable opportunities from these concepts. It turned into a discussion which I didn’t intend to and didn’t want to. Partly because of my tone of the discussion changed unintentionally and partly because of some unintentional assumptions made by certain readers. But Scarface summarised it wonderfully at the end and love that summary.
One thing that came up again and again was there is no thing called a sequence of numbers appearing more than another set of sequences. I realised that we never discussed sequences in that thread, very clear from the summary from Scarface. So why not we discuss about sequences in this thread. No, am not claiming there is a sequence that comes more frequent than others, but wanted to see if there are any anamolies if at all is there.
To start with I picked up a set of numbers and grouped them into sequences of two even chances high and low like below:
Spins â€" 19, 25, 11, 3, 5, 1, 19, 16, 3, 27, 15, 32, 11, 20, 6, 2, 31
HL sequence â€" HH, HL, LL, LL, LL, LH, HL, LL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LL, LH
And then I counted them
HH â€" 1, LL â€" 5, LH â€" 5, HL â€" 5
Then I ran this experiment again and again and again. Results of 10 such runs are below. Then I noticed a peculiar thing.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/25/temp_611825.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/RkFU)
Hmm! Then I ran the same experiment for 5000 spins for 5 times and looked at the results. I still noticed the same peculiar thing. Do you see what I am seeing in the stats of opposites (HL and LH)? What do you think?
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/25/temp_289780.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/RoAg)
HL,LH a difference of 2
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 25, 07:44 AM 2017HL,LH a difference of 2
I see a difference of 1or 0.
Are this stats, somehow releated to the fact that our sequences of high/ low are dependent from previous sequence?
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 25, 07:10 AM 2017Spins â€" 19, 25, 11, 3, 5, 1, 19, 16, 3, 27, 15, 32, 11, 20, 6, 2, 31
HL sequence â€" HH, HL, LL, LL, LL, LH, HL, LL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LL, LH
If we write the same sequence, but without considering the last spin, we will have a different statistic?
HH, LL, LL, HL, LH, LH, LH, LL, H
So to be able to see this unbalance we need to create a dependency?
Quote from: praline on Apr 25, 07:52 AM 2017I see a difference of 1or 0.
Yeah, it is always 0 or 1 even if you run millions and millions of spins. Its never any different or more than 1. As opposed to invidividual spins which can vary largely. This I believe stems from the way we have constructed the High and low sequences by making each of the sequence that is coming out dependent on the way previous sequence has turned out.
Another observation :
We can't have a string of sequences with two HL or two LH in a row.
This explains those statistics
After each HL there must be LH, maybe with a lot of LL in the middle
And
After each LH there must be HL, maybe with a lot of HH in the middle
How can we benefit from this imbalance?
do labby on <HL> and <LH> as you are sure that will balance...
Sorry, i don't understand the word "labby"
Less variance for LH and HL compared to LL and HH? You know what: I noticed very little variance for VdW too:
VdW stats... (link:://FlatEarthSociety/uploads/vdwECstats.html)
falkor would be able to explain<labby>.... :xd: :xd:
Yeah it's not a bad idea, maestro. This topic is another amazing contribution from Priyanka - but I hit the like button by mistake. This could lead to a whole new approach to playing Roulette. Also, I really wanted to progress with PA's method - but I couldn't find a stable bet selection - so I am thankful to Priyanka here for giving us new pointers.
falkor in roulette is sooooooo much and i dont think your brain ever will be able to get all information ...get over it,in life one should find something they are good at it and stay with it...
labby=Labouchère
Quote from: maestro on Apr 25, 09:52 AM 2017labby=Labouchère
You're very smart, i see. All those tips from Priyanka has definitely made you smarter. We didn't receive all those hints so we aren't so smart for now.
Quote from: maestro on Apr 25, 09:52 AM 2017
falkor in roulette is sooooooo much and i dont think your brain ever will be able to get all information ...get over it,in life one should find something they are good at it and stay with it...
labby=Labouchère
Well, I'm not a mathematician or a maestro, and I never expected to learn everything there is to know about the game. I am just happy to learn about this in particular, so what is there to get over exactly? Thanks for sharing your philosophy on life - a "jack of all trades and master of none" wouldn't agree with you though.
Since we are invoking the use of the Labouchere here, maybe we should, in this context, also give Norman Leigh's Reverse Labouchere a look as well.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 25, 07:10 AM 2017When I started the random thoughts topic, the only intention was exploring non-random concepts and seeing whether we can get playable opportunities from these concepts. It turned into a discussion which I didn’t intend to and didn’t want to. Partly because of my tone of the discussion changed unintentionally and partly because of some unintentional assumptions made by certain readers. But Scarface summarised it wonderfully at the end and love that summary.
One thing that came up again and again was there is no thing called a sequence of numbers appearing more than another set of sequences. I realised that we never discussed sequences in that thread, very clear from the summary from Scarface. So why not we discuss about sequences in this thread. No, am not claiming there is a sequence that comes more frequent than others, but wanted to see if there are any anamolies if at all is there.
To start with I picked up a set of numbers and grouped them into sequences of two even chances high and low like below:
Spins â€" 19, 25, 11, 3, 5, 1, 19, 16, 3, 27, 15, 32, 11, 20, 6, 2, 31
HL sequence â€" HH, HL, LL, LL, LL, LH, HL, LL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LL, LH
And then I counted them
HH â€" 1, LL â€" 5, LH â€" 5, HL â€" 5
Then I ran this experiment again and again and again. Results of 10 such runs are below. Then I noticed a peculiar thing.
Hmm! Then I ran the same experiment for 5000 spins for 5 times and looked at the results. I still noticed the same peculiar thing. Do you see what I am seeing in the stats of opposites (HL and LH)? What do you think?
Any thoughts on this, insteeD???
Now that IS interesting!
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 25, 07:10 AM 2017Hmm! Then I ran the same experiment for 5000 spins for 5 times and looked at the results. I still noticed the same peculiar thing. Do you see what I am seeing in the stats of opposites (HL and LH)? What do you think?
Priyanka many many thanks for all your contributions. I like you equally I like Priyanka Chopra, btw I am also.... Love pani puri.
Anyway back to topic.
If we see these stats as percentage-wise.
So we are getting around 50% on ECs.
Now another thing, let's suppose we are targeting 17 spins like ur example, and we wait for any starting 2 seqs not to be HL or LH, then remaining 14 seqs, we know in advance that HL & LH percentage to appear is greater then HH & LL. Also if we are playing at en-prison rule table. Lot of opportunities can be found here.
How do you see? Am I right?
QuoteYou're very smart, i see. All those tips from Priyanka
you are wrong...i was born smart,no hints smarten me...
To see if this bet selection is stable, you would have to specify the deviation limits as they are very stable. In longrun if we do not have the let say -140 units flat bet from the highest point, we can use such a very gentle progression.
Only theoretically, I have an idea for a very long progressions designed for bot and RNG.
We use these steps of progression, but in this way, raise the stakes after 20units down from the highest point of the bankroll, or say if the 20 losing bets from the top rise in steps
1
2
3
5
8
12
18
This is 980 units, and the must-140 lost bets from highest point to lose.
Sometimes you need thousands of spins to reach new high. But this is just a theory
Quote from: sugtips on Apr 25, 02:32 PM 2017Now another thing, let's suppose we are targeting 17 spins like ur example, and we wait for any starting 2 seqs not to be HL or LH, then remaining 14 seqs, we know in advance that HL & LH percentage to appear is greater then HH & LL.
I'm affraid that you can't have a string of just HH and LL, you can't Pass from HH to LL without having HL in the middle.
Also the HL LH percentage is not greater then HH LL, it follows normal variance. The only thing we can say for sure is that HL and LH will be equal, but only if you consider the last spin as the start for your new sequence ( 22,5,36 = HL, LH).
I think we can try to use cycles and see if there is an evident imbalance in terms of cycle lenghts and defining element.
But surely, no progression and no static bets.
I think new concepts would be needed for this approach as per P.A's topic - not just light progression.
praline raises some very important points and ideas for incorporating Non-Random.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 25, 08:04 AM 2017
Yeah, it is always 0 or 1 even if you run millions and millions of spins. Its never any different or more than 1. As opposed to invidividual spins which can vary largely. This I believe stems from the way we have constructed the High and low sequences by making each of the sequence that is coming out dependent on the way previous sequence has turned out.
Priyanka, is this by any chance the "magical relationship" that you and reddwarf referred to?
What happens if we combine "friends"
With php
Do we have a party?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 26, 11:11 AM 2017What happens if we combine "friends"
With php
Do we have a party?
What a funny guy.. LoL
By the way...
Theorem of friends and stranger is based on the pigeonhole principle
Ok, that's interesting.
For kicks I took a 30k live wheel spins from a 0,00 table and removed the green from the equation just to look at these couplets.
I didn't allow any overlap so they were completely independent of each other.
For example..
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/26/temp_914539.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/VE6F)
and here are my results.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/26/temp_606397.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/VSCi)
I was cracking up when I saw the final results, so I charted it over time to see the variance... Here...
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/26/temp_627633.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/VWcA)
I then looked at the max and min of the difference of HL to LH and I got a max of 82 & min of -52...
Hope this helps.
Seems like most people have forgot one of Priyanka's most important teaching. Its in the first few pages of random thoughts... Anyway...
The problem I am having is figuring out the riddle - I know the RIGHT question, but dont know how to answer it!!!
Priyanka please could you kindly shed some light on one of your early topics for me. I know that there are multiple playing positions and hence there are also multiple cycles. How does one know how to combine the stats of a cycle to provide an imbalance? Even more Specifically how does one know WHEN to enter the additional stream and importantly does one ever exit the base stream?
Using a radio as an analogy, how do you know what the frequency is for a particular radio station? Is it just trial and error?
Futhermore is there a particular frequency that gives you the best "SOUND QUALITY" (Just a thought)
I hope this makes sense as i'm trying to be careful not to tread on your toes.
Kindest Regards
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 25, 07:10 AM 2017
When I started the random thoughts topic, the only intention was exploring non-random concepts and seeing whether we can get playable opportunities from these concepts. It turned into a discussion which I didn’t intend to and didn’t want to. Partly because of my tone of the discussion changed unintentionally and partly because of some unintentional assumptions made by certain readers. But Scarface summarised it wonderfully at the end and love that summary.
One thing that came up again and again was there is no thing called a sequence of numbers appearing more than another set of sequences. I realised that we never discussed sequences in that thread, very clear from the summary from Scarface. So why not we discuss about sequences in this thread. No, am not claiming there is a sequence that comes more frequent than others, but wanted to see if there are any anamolies if at all is there.
To start with I picked up a set of numbers and grouped them into sequences of two even chances high and low like below:
Spins â€" 19, 25, 11, 3, 5, 1, 19, 16, 3, 27, 15, 32, 11, 20, 6, 2, 31
HL sequence â€" HH, HL, LL, LL, LL, LH, HL, LL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LL, LH
And then I counted them
HH â€" 1, LL â€" 5, LH â€" 5, HL â€" 5
Then I ran this experiment again and again and again. Results of 10 such runs are below. Then I noticed a peculiar thing.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/25/temp_611825.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/RkFU)
Hmm! Then I ran the same experiment for 5000 spins for 5 times and looked at the results. I still noticed the same peculiar thing. Do you see what I am seeing in the stats of opposites (HL and LH)? What do you think?
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/25/temp_289780.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/RoAg)
The way you record the sequences by using the last spin as if it were a new spin, makes it confusing. Just as Praline stated, if you actually recorded the sequences based on the results it would be: HH, LL, LL, HL, LH, LH, LH, LL, H. The way you record them, LH and HL will have no choice but to be equal. Its like saying RED must always follow BLACK....of course the problem is there can be alot of BLACKS before that RED shows up. ;)
Quote from: Scarface on Apr 26, 08:14 PM 2017
The way you record the sequences by using the last spin as if it were a new spin, makes it confusing. Just as Praline stated, if you actually recorded the sequences based on the results it would be: HH, LL, LL, HL, LH, LH, LH, LL, H. The way you record them, LH and HL will have no choice but to be equal. Its like saying RED must always follow BLACK....of course the problem is there can be alot of BLACKS before that RED shows up. ;)
Scarface,
I was also thinking the same thing that recording the sequences by using the last spin of the previous sequence as the first spin of the next sequence leads to HL and LH being equal.
Your analogy of Red always following Black is great!
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 26, 09:10 PM 2017
Scarface,
I was also thinking the same thing that recording the sequences by using the last spin of the previous sequence as the first spin of the next sequence leads to HL and LH being equal.
Your analogy of Red always following Black is great!
Yes, it really is pretty simple to see. Not sure why PrI would run a total of 25,000 spins to test this :ooh:
Did you guys know that in three spins red or black must repeat
Did you also know that in 4 spins a dozen MUST repeat
Minus 0 of course
Using this information combined with unrelated scientific principles I've found the holy grail
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 26, 10:13 PM 2017
Did you guys know that in three spins red or black must repeat
Did you also know that in 4 spins a dozen MUST repeat
Minus 0 of course
Using this information combined with unrelated scientific principles I've found the holy grail
Nice discovery! I got one for you: Red will ALWAYS follow black if you disregard repeats. I tested this for 1 million spins and it works everytime :)
:smile:
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 25, 08:04 AM 2017
This I believe stems from the way we have constructed the High and low sequences by making each of the sequence that is coming out dependent on the way previous sequence has turned out.
Hi, new here. I think everyone is missing the point. All Priyanka has done is provide "an" example, not "the" example, of a way to make your own sequence of numbers.
Look at it as a thinking exercise.
Quote from: poobear on Apr 27, 01:11 AM 2017
Hi, new here. I think everyone is missing the point. All Priyanka has done is provide "an" example, not "the" example, of a way to make your own sequence of numbers.
Look at it as a thinking exercise.
So still chance, :thumbsup:
Quote from: Scarface on Apr 26, 10:31 PM 2017ice discovery! I got one for you: Red will ALWAYS follow black if you disregard repeats. I tested this for 1 million spins and it works everytime :)
Scarface - Indeed a good one. Sometimes, great ideas come from things that are very obvious.
I was asked a question "Why am I here" by Turner. Of course, it lets you think and I realised am here to learn. We all know that this is a negative expectation game. We all know that any method that is based on spins is a losing system, as the spins are independent and it is not going to impact their expectation (odds as some people put it). So we have two options from here. One - Move on! Many people have done and even I have done it in the past multiple times only to come back. Two - Rather than trying out the same thing day in and day out, try out new things. That new thing might fail, it might lead us no where. But hey! did doing the same thing over and over again lead us anywhere?
I started this thread as a way to see if there are any anamolies in the sequences. If there is a way you can construct things to see if there is an anamoly. Playability and practicability might not be there in the example that i gave. Am looking for some group sourcing as Still puts it and see where it takes us.
Please do ask yourself the question "Why are you here". If the answer makes you interest in this topic, please do contribute. If it doesnt, my humble request is if not encouraging people, at least do not discourage. Cheers!
There's an internal coup here who is sick and tired of clues and theories and bait
That's all
Show me via a real life example, how knowing a color will repeat within 3 spins helps you play roulette
Quoteice discovery! I got one for you: Red will ALWAYS follow black if you disregard repeats. I tested this for 1 million spins and it works everytime
I've tested billions of RNG spins for any particular sequence of red and black that occurs more often than expected, and the result was no such sequence exists. If you found otherwise, what is the exact sequence you mean?
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 27, 06:37 AM 2017We all know that this is a negative expectation game
But dont you claim to consistently beat roulette? Certainly some people are convinced you have the HG and just dont want to tell people. Partly this is influenced by your exploitation of the game cheating loophole. Priyanka, it's not personal. But you have a few followers and maybe you should come clean -
do you or do you not claim to have the HG? (a system that wins perpetually - the kind that can make anyone millions) I dont think you have either said yes or no. I think you try to avoid answering. But this is like foreplay for your followers who hang on your words. If you dont have the HG, then the moral thing is to set them straight rather than remain silent and mislead people.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 27, 06:42 AM 2017There's an internal coup here who is sick and tired of clues and theories and bait
You get trolls and baiters on almost every forum. Then there's people who just spew garbage everytime they post and cant even back their claims up with simple facts. One such person is Blue Angel. But there are others like of course Falkor. As in real life, it's the minority. But in real life you can just walk away. On a forum you want to learn at, you could ignore them but they still leave a trail of crap. So it's up to admin and moderators to enforce rules to keep a balanced forum.
Anyway with Falkor I've just moderate his posts. He can post whatever he wants, but if there's more of the vague baiting and gibberish, it wont be published. I don't think completely banning him is the best action. At least the moderation encourages him to be productive and stop pissing people off, or go elsewhere.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 27, 06:58 AM 2017
I've tested billions of RNG spins for any particular sequence of red and black that occurs more often than expected, and the result was no such sequence exists. If you found otherwise, what is the exact sequence you mean?
Steve, I wasn't serious. Just poking fun at this thread for stating something obvious. I said red will always follow black if you ignore the repeats.....bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbr....see, just ignore all those repeats of black and red will come up next 100% of the time (just a joke :))
Don't screw with my head. Sometimes there's so much nonsense being posted on forums its hard to know who's serious.
I knew right away you were being sarcastic. I'm from New York it's part of our culture
Quote from: Scarface on Apr 27, 07:14 AM 2017
Steve, I wasn't serious. Just poking fun at this thread for stating something obvious. I said red will always follow black if you ignore the repeats.....bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbr....see, just ignore all those repeats of black and red will come up next 100% of the time (just a joke :))
It's the whole cycle thing
I used to be a spectator until I realized it helps with nothing
Ok so..... dozens.... 121 cycle ends cause 1 repeated
So?
Knowing a dozen will repeat guaranteed in four spins? So?
How does this help
A dozen is not guarenteed to repeat in 4 spins
Quote from: bigmoney on Apr 27, 07:42 AM 2017
A dozen is not guarenteed to repeat in 4 spins
Correct
Pesky 0
The only point im making is that there are people who thinks this can be used to an advantage
How? Doesn't make sense
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 27, 07:43 AM 2017do you or do you not claim to have the HG? (a system that wins perpetually - the kind that can make anyone millions) I dont think you have either said yes or no. I think you try to avoid answering. But this is like foreplay for your followers who hang on your words. If you dont have the HG, then the moral thing is to set them straight rather than remain silent and mislead people.
I have said earlier as well. I added in my signature as well. I have never avoided.
If you need an yes or no, NO. . I should book mark this reply, so that i can redirect everyone to it when someone says the same/assumes the same some other day :)
Wasn't my quote :(
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 27, 06:42 AM 2017
There's an internal coup here who is sick and tired of clues and theories and bait
That's all
Show me via a real life example, how knowing a color will repeat within 3 spins helps you play roulette
RG - There is no clues and baits. I have stated also number of times, I am not going to claim something i have not posted. And no, knowing a color will repeat within 3 spins, is not going to help you win roulette, like the millions of other systems that gets posted here time in and time out.
Priyanka
I do not mind your posts
I did not mind our random thoughts thread
What falkor turned it into made it an eventual joke
Get back to this thread I'll leave it
Good. Now that we have got that out, I think we should return to why i started the topic.
Again, Please do ask yourself the question "Why are you here". If the answer makes you interest in this topic, please do contribute. If it doesnt, my humble request is if not encouraging people, at least do not discourage. And anyone getting misled, please read the first post in the topic, we are not discussing HG here. There is a reason this is posted under the mathematics topic.
Can I take some help from mods to tidy up the topic. You can leave the reply number 46. Thats my reference for future.
ok thanks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 27, 07:34 AM 2017
It's the whole cycle thing
I used to be a spectator until I realized it helps with nothing
Ok so..... dozens.... 121 cycle ends cause 1 repeated
So?
Knowing a dozen will repeat guaranteed in four spins? So?
How does this help
Start a new topic about cycles and I'll tell you answer. It doesn't give you advantage - but it nevertheless helps.
Quote from: bobby on Apr 26, 12:19 PM 2017
Ok, that's interesting.
For kicks I took a 30k live wheel spins from a 0,00 table and removed the green from the equation just to look at these couplets.
I didn't allow any overlap so they were completely independent of each other.
For example..
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/26/temp_914539.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/VE6F)
and here are my results.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/26/temp_606397.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/VSCi)
I was cracking up when I saw the final results, so I charted it over time to see the variance... Here...
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/04/26/temp_627633.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/VWcA)
I then looked at the max and min of the difference of HL to LH and I got a max of 82 & min of -52...
Hope this helps.
Any difference then between dependent and independent couplets? It seems HL and LH independently have less wild swings than HH and LL - does carrying over the last L or H make them even more tighter?
Why am I here?
I'm here to break the paradigm.
I'm here to do things different from those before me.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 27, 06:37 AM 2017/
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 27, 06:37 AM 2017Please do ask yourself the question "Why are you here". If the answer makes you interest in this topic, please do contribute. If it doesnt, my humble request is if not encouraging people, at least do not discourage. Cheers!
I'm here to find new ways to look at Roulette. Also, if there is a dead end or manipulation on a certain idea, someone should point it out just so everybody's not following this same dead end path.
Your post ended with a question asking what are our thoughts on your findings. Here it is: you begin each sequence with the result of the previous sequence. So if you have HH and the next spin was low, the next sequence is HL. Not sure why you do it this way. But anyway, by recording the sequences the way you do, it is impossible for LH to ever repeat...it has to be followed by HL. So, LH and HL will never have more than a difference of 1. While this seems common sense to some, to others it does not.
Seems like you would have realized this before you tested it for 25000 spins.
If I could offer a suggestion- I think you should record the high/ low sequences as they fall, and NOT carry over the previous. If you do this, the results will be more accurate and less confusing to others. And I'm positive the difference of only 1 between LH and HL will disappear.
Quote from: Scarface on Apr 27, 10:29 AM 2017If I could offer a suggestion- I think you should record the high/ low sequences as they fall, and NOT carry over the previous. If you do this, the results will be more accurate and less confusing to others. And I'm positive the difference of only 1 between LH and HL will disappear.
I think that the point of this topic is> if you need different statistics, you need to create a dependency between outcomes.
Quote from: praline on Apr 27, 10:44 AM 2017
I think that the point of this topic is> if you need different statistics, you need to create a dependency between outcomes.
But bobby's stats were still different to norm even though his test was based on independent couplets?
If you are going to record it like this, one thing you need to be careful about is the 'terrible two's' when it comes to VDW/AP.
EO
OE
EO
OE
EO
You are going to lose on 234 looking for O.
Lose on 456 looking for E.
Lose on 147 looking for E.
Lose on 678 looking for O.
Then spin 9 presents one of those mutual situations where 369 wins on O and 159 wins on E.
So that game is a 4 unit loss if you flat bet straight through playing a conventional AP approach.
cheers
Has any one seen the chaos game? The triangles and fractal pattern it creates after multiple iterations is not random even though a random event is used to draw the pattern. Can that pattern be utilized?
I think they are called seirpinksi triangles?
It got me thinking because you are creating a dependance by using the last random numbers as references to form the next point? Priyanka any thoughts?
Quote from: wiggy on Apr 27, 11:36 AM 2017
If you are going to record it like this, one thing you need to be careful about is the 'terrible two's' when it comes to VDW/AP.
EO
OE
EO
OE
EO
You are going to lose on 234 looking for O.
Lose on 456 looking for E.
Lose on 147 looking for E.
Lose on 678 looking for O.
Then spin 9 presents one of those mutual situations where 369 wins on O and 159 wins on E.
So that game is a 4 unit loss if you flat bet straight through playing a conventional AP approach.
cheers
Wiggy,
Very good post about the pernicious effects of the terrible twos. Thanks for explaining with such a clear example.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 27, 03:02 AM 2017
So still chance, :thumbsup:
Yep this example is still chance, but why else would Priyanka bring up the topic if only to help us think a different way.
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 27, 12:05 PM 2017
Has any one seen the chaos game? The triangles and fractal pattern it creates after multiple iterations is not random even though a random event is used to draw the pattern. Can that pattern be utilized?
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 27, 12:17 PM 2017
I think they are called seirpinksi triangles?
It got me thinking because you are creating a dependance by using the last random numbers as references to form the next point? Priyanka any thoughts?
Malvador, are you refering to this video.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKtFN71Lfs
I am not a math whiz but was also thinking how we could take advantage of this fact. No idea's have come to me yet.
How comes that video was only published yesterday!? Do one of you guys work for Numberphile?? :o
Hi String... YES! exactly that video... Got me thinking... It's interesting that each new point is essentially the average of all the random numbers (1,2,3) in that video.. Half the distance? Why half?
Im not sure if this can be utilized in a certain way. Betting to avoid the black triangles maybe? I don't know just letting my mind wonder!
Cool video albeit a bit spooky. Something like that makes you question many things, lol.
I also found this youtube video, "How to Win a Guessing Game" also by Numberphile.
The videos claims an advantage on even chances using random numbers
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=ud_frfkt1t0
In the video numbers are used with the relationship that :
if k < a then b < a
if k > a then b > a
if we try this for roulette then
1) the latest spin would be "a"
2) "k" would be the spin previous to "a", provided that "a" and "k" are not repeats, otherwise use earlier spins with no repeat
3) "b" would the tne next spin
My initial testing shows this has about a 66% chance of winning, probably a little less when you factor in the ZERO.
As a general rule, the higher the number difference, the better results you get.
Maybe we could use this immediately on the next spin after a Vdw win, to string two even chance bets together.
Just sharing my ideas.
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Apr 28, 04:01 PM 2017) "k" would be the spin previous to "a", provided that "a" and "k" are not repeats, otherwise use earlier spins with no repeat
The problem with most of these probability methods and games like penney play, triangle etc is that it assumes events do not repeat. In simple words once a ball is withdrawn from a bag it is not allowed to be put in. However in roulette the ball goes back in. If and only if there is a way we can create where there are no repeats!! hmm!
If and only if?
That's foreplay Priyanka... LOL
Please tell us all you know... PLEASE!
It feels like your a math God or something... I have been following this thread for nearly a year trying to get my head around your concepts... Am l really stupid or is it just so freaking hard?
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 28, 06:08 PM 2017
The problem with most of these probability methods and games like penney play, triangle etc is that it assumes events do not repeat. In simple words once a ball is withdrawn from a bag it is not allowed to be put in. However in roulette the ball goes back in. If and only if there is a way we can create where there are no repeats!! hmm!
Yes this would be nice! That's the whole idea behind card counting in Blackjack...every time new cards are removed the odds constantly change. Just bet higher when odds tilt in your favor, and lower when odds not in favor (at least until the dealer reshuffle the deck) :)
QuoteIf and only if there is a way we can create where there are no repeats!
i will second this
Quote from: Malvador on Apr 28, 06:31 PM 2017Please tell us all you know... PLEASE!
pLEASe. All I know is already here. We already had one thread that led us nowhere through such assumptions. As maestro and scarface said I was just confirming the reason why something's don't work.
Hello !
I repeat your list , Priyanka
19, 25, 11, 3, 5, 1, 19, 16, 3, 27, 15, 32, 11, 20, 6, 2, 31
Would it be the same if we link the results in this way ?
I pass a number:
19, 11,
Then I go back :
19, 11, 25,
I pass a number:
19, 11, 25, 3 ,
Then I go back :
19, 11, 25, 3, 11
And so on :
19, 11, 25, 3, 11, 5, 3, 1, 5, 19, 1, 16, 19, 3, 16, 27, 3, 15, 27,32, 15, 11, 32, 20, 11, 6, 20, 2, 6, 31
H L, LH ,HL, LL, LL, LL, LL, LL, LH .....
What about this kind of sequences:
Create your own sequences by numbers or splits or streets ,
Ex. with numbers :
P = pattern / sequence
d = gaps/ distance
NR P1 d2 P2 d1,d3,d4
d4
12 a a
4 b a
23 a b
7 b b
34 a a
4 b a
18 a b
9 b b
28 a a
3 b a
5 a b
29 b b
33 a a
1 b a
17 a b
15 b b
----------------------------------------------
Nr P3 d3 P4 d1
11 a a
14 b a
25 c b
7 a b
34 b c
24 c c
11 a a
13 b a
28 c b
36 a b
5 b c
29 c c
31 a a
19 b a
27 c b
30 a b
4 b c
8 c c
now what d to bet after each P
I have been studying the same concept that Priyanka has posted above.
For me, it started with Moglizu’s posts on Betselection.cc.
I track by recording FTL and DBL side by side for say the Low and Highs.
If I get LH or HL, I play Low. If I get LL or HH, I play High.
I have 3000 spins from Wiesbaden archive and have supplied a excel spreadsheet below.
In the above excel, the hit rate is just over 50% on average.
If you swop, LH or HL bet High, and LL or HH bet Low, you get 47% average hit rate.
Its like this for all EC's.
I have tried this with other numbers from Wiesbaden and they give +-49% average hit rate.
Tesla's 3,6,9
Had anyone else noticed anything strange about spins 3 6 and 9?
The AP structure interestingly contains more 3s 6s and 9s too? I think there is some significance to these numbers that we might be able to exploit..
It appears that the most common place for an AP to form or not is the 3rd, 6th and 9th spins? Any one noticed this too?
B-b-b-but Priyanka, you said that you managed to gain edge with red black alone? You must have a method, you even showed us your amazing uphill graph? Was that fake? I'm confused?
I may have misread your entire thread and all of your posts but from my interpretation you have hinted plenty of times that you found several imbalances that lead you to an edge?
Then a few days ago you said that you didn't have a method with edge. So what is your definition of the HG, in my opinion a HG is any game that holds any sort of STABLE edge over r the house even if it's 1%?
Please clarify
Bookmark?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18814.msg175912#msg175912
Thank you 3nine, exactly the post I was referring too.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 25, 07:10 AM 2017Spins â€" 19, 25, 11, 3, 5, 1, 19, 16, 3, 27, 15, 32, 11, 20, 6, 2, 31
HL sequence â€" HH, HL, LL, LL, LL, LH, HL, LL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LL, LH
Just for Math Fun:
Do the same thing with sequences of three: HHH, HLL and so on
Count the frequencies overlapping and non-overlapping
Set the frequencies into "right" relation - you can find a number close to PI= 3.14..
But sorry, I did this long time ago, I dont remember the exact details.
Maybe I find the old programms.
Have fun
Quote from: Herby on Apr 29, 03:18 PM 2017
Just for Math Fun:
Do the same thing with sequences of three: HHH, HLL and so on
Count the frequencies overlapping and non-overlapping
Set the frequencies into "right" relation - you can find a number close to PI= 3.14..
But sorry, I did this long time ago, I dont remember the exact details.
Maybe I find the old programms.
Have fun
Pi has always fascinated me. How can it be random for infinity?
Even roulette isn't random...if we knew all the initial conditions when the ball is spun, we could accurately predict where it will fall (although in reality its not realistic- but it is in theory).
I wonder if one day science or math will ever be able to accurately predict randomness.
But why would we want to remove repeats? They are the key to the imbalances :thumbsup:
Quote from: Malvador on May 09, 10:05 PM 2017
But why would we want to remove repeats? They are the key to the imbalances :thumbsup:
uniques happen more then repeats :thumbsup:
"When numbers kiss... Magic Happens!!!!" O0
Malachi De Malvador
Quote from: Malvador on May 10, 12:01 AM 2017
Malachi De Malvador
Or is it Malachi de Gilius-Falkor ? :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 27, 06:37 AM 2017I started this thread as a way to see if there are any anamolies in the sequences. If there is a way you can construct things to see if there is an anamoly.
You have discovered a lot of anomalies in this mathematically perfect game.
Can you give us some more interesting and a bit more complicate examples of such anomalies?
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 25, 07:10 AM 2017Do you see what I am seeing in the stats of opposites (HL and LH)? What do you think?
I have found it very fun, that's why im asking for more. It was very exiting to understand the reason of this anomaly.