I understand the basic principles of it
How are people using this to play roulette?
Ideas? Examples?
Always looking for new ways to play
Guess that answers my question
NEXT
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 28, 10:18 AM 2017
Guess that answers my question
NEXT
I have a question RG. Did you open this thread because someone told you he would explain something to you?
Silly me thought I would try and see HOW people were utilizing it on roulette
Not that I think it's any sort of HG but because I like trying new things
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 28, 11:29 AM 2017
Silly me thought I would try and see HOW people were utilizing it on roulette
Not that I think it's any sort of HG but because I like trying new things
Well there's THIS contribution:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18690.msg175533#msg175533
My question for you was, did you start this because of THIS promise?:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18814.msg175918#msg175918
RG, VDW by itself cant really help you.
Now lets say you find a situation that happens more then other situations(imbalance). Then vdw will help because there might be an imbalance but vdw will help you see when to complete ap. Give you an idea of whats happening.
Let me give you some idea with dozens since that is what you like.
Cycles tend to stay close to their stats, plus a new way to look at the game where has less variance
cycle 1 = 36%
cycle 2 = 43%
cycle 3 = 21%
Here are cycles for 1000 spins I tested
Total cycles 529
Cycle length 1 190 36%
Cycle length 2 236 45%
Cycle length 3 103 19%
now for this case lets break down cycle length 3
Cycle 3/Option 1 31
Cycle 3/Option 2 37
Cycle 3/Option 3 35
Total 103
Since you like playing 2 dozens at a time. Skip the dozen that started the cycle and just worry about last two repeating.
you win 72 times ....72 units
you lose 31 times.... 62 units
also a few 0 losses...depends
Im sure you can make a small progression to help with this
Now if you use vdw and track ap with
Cycle 3/Option 2
Cycle 3/Option 3
You get a better idea of when its dominating. Skips some losses and more wins!
This beats running from variance and not knowing what to expect. Hopefully it gives some people ideas.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Apr 28, 12:37 PM 2017
now for this case lets break down cycle length 3
Cycle 3/Option 1 31
Cycle 3/Option 2 37
Cycle 3/Option 3 35
Total 103
Please explain further. I understand the concept of cycle lengths, but I do NOT understand what you mean by Options 1,2 & 3 within cycle length of 3.
Cycle 3/1--- 1231
Cycle 3/2--- 1232
Cycle 3/3--- 1233
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Apr 28, 04:43 PM 2017
Cycle 3/1--- 1231
Cycle 3/2--- 1232
Cycle 3/3--- 1233
Interesting...
Did you understand it by yourself?
Nobody wrote about this on this forum, but everybody have this info...
People who understood this wis hard work, never shared it in open forum. Why do you share it? Why you posting things that not belongs to you? Are you a falkors clone?
This was already posted in random thoughts!....Information is in cycle sheets posted by pri!
This is not how pri plays, its something i looked at based on the info. Which means i can do with the info as I please....
:thumbsup:
Oh, ok...
:thumbsup:
as you please...
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Apr 28, 04:30 PM 2017Please explain further.
Please explain further, MoneyT.
Why you call them options?
option - the opportunity or ability to choose something or to choose between two or more things. : something that can be chosen
Ive shared enough info :twisted: :lol:
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Apr 28, 05:49 PM 2017
option - the opportunity or ability to choose something or to choose between two or more things. : something that can be chosen
Ive shared enough info :twisted: :lol:
Why is it that you have shared enough info?
That's usually the case round here. Sigh
Round round we go
Because he doesn't have anything worthwhile to share. Making you think he does. It's bizarre.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 28, 06:50 PM 2017
Why is it that you have shared enough info?
That's usually the case round here. Sigh
Round round we go
I gave you an idea how to use vdw. Matter of fact I gave you one of my personal ideas! I also shed more light on cycles!
At this point you have to do some searching. Verify the info i posted, test out the idea on vdw i gave you. Find out if it works for you.
I laid out a path.... Follow it and see where it leads :o
Quote from: willtherock on Apr 28, 06:59 PM 2017
Because he doesn't have anything worthwhile to share. Making you think he does. It's bizarre.
No, you guys just want to be spoon fed. I gave you clear info; what to look at and an idea.... you wont even take the time to look at it!
If it was the HG you wouldnt have even tried.......Priyanka posted all the info in random thoughts just nobody looking,
whos fault is that?
Why is it that every VDW thread I've been in always has someone who is angry.
I don't get it.
The play is pretty simple once you work it down to the basics but I'm not all that convinced it would work better with roulette than it does with baccarat.
AD
Quote from: ADulay on Apr 29, 08:07 PM 2017
Why is it that every VDW thread I've been in always has someone who is angry.
I don't get it.
The play is pretty simple once you work it down to the basics but I'm not all that convinced it would work better with roulette than it does with baccarat.
AD
ADulay,
Yes, I agree -- this method will or should work better with baccarat (no zeroes to contend with, especially when you are betting on the even chances).
But then this is a roulette forum ......
So adulay uses it
Back to post one
HOW?!
Imagine the following set of numbers have won in this order 19 is the oldest, 16 is the newest
19 11 29 36 35 22 34 16
this translates to
RBB RBB RR
and results with a VdW win on number 34 in positions 7 for an AP of 147
Just want to clarify, what is the proper way to track a new set ?
Option 1) begin the new set with number 16 being in position 1
or
Option 2) begin the new set with number 34 being in position 1 and 16 being in position 2
Just as priyanka showed us with cycles, use the spin that completed the cycle, as the first spin in the next cycle.
My thinking is that Option 2 is better, because if we get a 3 consecutive reds, we have another VdW win for positions 123
If we started the new set with option 1 it would require 4 consecutive red for Vdw to win on positions 123.
Also 3 consecutive Even chances occurs more frequently than 4 consecutive Even chances,
and 3 consecutive EC MUST appear prior to 4 consecutive EC
Any other thoughts ?
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Apr 30, 07:17 PM 2017
Imagine the following set of numbers have won in this order 19 is the oldest, 16 is the newest
19 11 29 36 35 22 34 16
this translates to
RBB RBB RR
and results with a VdW win on number 34 in positions 7 for an AP of 147
Just want to clarify, what is the proper way to track a new set ?
Option 1) begin the new set with number 16 being in position 1
or
Option 2) begin the new set with number 34 being in position 1 and 16 being in position 2
Just as priyanka showed us with cycles, use the spin that completed the cycle, as the first spin in the next cycle.
My thinking is that Option 2 is better, because if we get a 3 consecutive reds, we have another VdW win for positions 123
If we started the new set with option 1 it would require 4 consecutive red for Vdw to win on positions 123.
Also 3 consecutive Even chances occurs more frequently than 4 consecutive Even chances,
and 3 consecutive EC MUST appear prior to 4 consecutive EC
Any other thoughts ?
There you go RG dont think i could keep track, being keystage 2, thought i was keystage 3 PRIY
keystage ?
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Apr 30, 07:17 PM 2017
Just want to clarify, what is the proper way to track a new set ?
Option 1) begin the new set with number 16 being in position 1
or
Option 2) begin the new set with number 34 being in position 1 and 16 being in position 2
Just as priyanka showed us with cycles, use the spin that completed the cycle, as the first spin in the next cycle.
My thinking is that Option 2 is better, because if we get a 3 consecutive reds, we have another VdW win for positions 123
If we started the new set with option 1 it would require 4 consecutive red for Vdw to win on positions 123.
Also 3 consecutive Even chances occurs more frequently than 4 consecutive Even chances,
and 3 consecutive EC MUST appear prior to 4 consecutive EC
Any other thoughts ?
Proper way is to start fresh with 16.....but i think either way would work, never tested it with option 2
MoneyT101, thanks for your reply
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Apr 30, 07:17 PM 2017
Imagine the following set of numbers have won in this order 19 is the oldest, 16 is the newest
19 11 29 36 35 22 34 16
this translates to
RBB RBB RR
and results with a VdW win on number 34 in positions 7 for an AP of 147
Just want to clarify, what is the proper way to track a new set ?
Any other thoughts ?
Although the 1-4-7 did win, that particular string produced a loss at 2-3-4 and a mutual wager at 1-4-7 and 5-6-7.
AD
Quote from: ADulay on Apr 30, 10:18 PM 2017
Although the 1-4-7 did win, that particular string produced a loss at 2-3-4 and a mutual wager at 1-4-7 and 5-6-7.
Yes, a Loss at position 4 then a deadlock at position 7
Hi Stringbeanpc and all,
"Imagine the following set of numbers have won in this order 19 is the oldest, 16 is the newest
19 11 29 36 35 22 34 16
this translates to
RBB RBB RR
and results with a VdW win on number 34 in positions 7 for an AP of 147
Just want to clarify, what is the proper way to track a new set ?"
In my opinion, all ways to track the AP are good.
What you are describing here is what I call ES(Every Spin). It is "look back" method rather than the normal "look forward" method.
I like the ES method because you ride every streak.
Just look at the last 2 spins(hands) and if you have BB then bet B. Now you have BBB.
Just look back at the last 2 spins(hands) and you still have BB so bet B again. Now you have BBBB. Ride the streak.
If you don't get a B then continue to look for next AP.
Cheers
Nick
It is a fact that we have just a 50:50 chance. that is no edge.
As long as you bet on the R/B or H/L or E/O you will just equal.
Do a trick on it:
Bet as you do on basic. But then note if you Lost or Won.
You will get a LW sequence.
Use the VdW-AP on this sequence and you have killed the wheel.
Quote from: ADulay on Apr 30, 10:18 PM 2017
Although the 1-4-7 did win, that particular string produced a loss at 2-3-4 and a mutual wager at 1-4-7 and 5-6-7.
AD
This renders the 1-4-7 'result' irrelevant. The earlier mutual bet makes this sequence unbettable.
I found 2 series type, eg. 2-4-6 and 3-5-7/1-4-7 with no mutual wager and no earlier possible completion all known beforehand. It works best at the start of a bacs deck. Check out this series over a large number of decks to show the edge. It might work mid deck but the edge is lower. With roulette, well...
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How do we use vdw to decide bets
Quote from: winkel on May 01, 10:29 AM 2017
It is a fact that we have just a 50:50 chance. that is no edge.
As long as you bet on the R/B or H/L or E/O you will just equal.
Do a trick on it:
Bet as you do on basic. But then note if you Lost or Won.
You will get a LW sequence.
Use the VdW-AP on this sequence and you have killed the wheel.
Sir Winkel,
I am a big fan of yours, most of the time am making money just because of your ext-fib progression and Sir Ignatus's Bet Selections.
Please Sir can you tell us more about your this above post. any link/url, any guide, anything. thanks a lot.
Love and Light.
SugTips
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Quote from: winkel on May 01, 10:29 AM 2017
It is a fact that we have just a 50:50 chance. that is no edge.
As long as you bet on the R/B or H/L or E/O you will just equal.
Do a trick on it:
Bet as you do on basic. But then note if you Lost or Won.
You will get a LW sequence.
Use the VdW-AP on this sequence and you have killed the wheel.
I don't think this will work. Even using VDW, every bet remains 50/50. An arithmetic progression will occur in 9 spins. BUT we dont know if it would be on a win or a loss. We also dont know at what point it will occur. If there were any way VDW would have a better than 50%, then you could simply make virtual bets and only make real bets when the edge exists.
Priyanka...
What do the LLLL (The losing 10 combinations look like?) of the VDW chart you posted back at the beginning of random threads, In terms of R and B???
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 01, 11:03 AM 2017
How do we use vdw to decide bets
I understand the concept of it, based on Pri's Random Thoughts post....just don't see where it gives a better than 50/50 odds.
Quote from: Malvador on May 02, 06:19 PM 2017
Priyanka...
What do the LLLL (The losing 10 combinations look like?) of the VDW chart you posted back at the beginning of random threads, In terms of R and B???
AP 1 > AP 3 > AP 5 > AP 12 = LLLW
AP 1 > AP 3 > AP 5 > AP 12 > Clash = LLLL
OR
AP 2 > AP 4 > AP 10 > AP 6 = LLLW
AP 2 > AP 4 > AP 10 > AP 6 > Clash = LLLL
| 1 ( 2 ) Low | | 3 ( 4 ) High | | 5 ( 6 ) Low | 12 ( 7 ) Low | | | LLLW |
| 1 ( 2 ) High | | 3 ( 4 ) Low | | 5 ( 6 ) High | 12 ( 7 ) High | CD7+14 ( 8 ) | AP7 ( 9 ) Low | LLLL |
| 1 ( 2 ) Low | | 3 ( 4 ) High | | 5 ( 6 ) Low | 12 ( 7 ) Low | | | LLLW |
| 1 ( 2 ) Low | | 3 ( 4 ) High | | 5 ( 6 ) Low | 12 ( 7 ) Low | | | LLLW |
| 2 ( 3 ) High | | 4 ( 5 ) Low | 10 ( 6 ) Low | 6 ( 7 ) High | CD15+14 ( 8 ) | AP14 ( 9 ) Low | LLLL |
| 2 ( 3 ) High | | 4 ( 5 ) Low | 10 ( 6 ) Low | 6 ( 7 ) High | | | LLLW |
| 1 ( 2 ) High | | 3 ( 4 ) Low | | 5 ( 6 ) High | 12 ( 7 ) High | | | LLLW |
| 1 ( 2 ) High | | 3 ( 4 ) Low | | 5 ( 6 ) High | 12 ( 7 ) High | CD7+14 ( 8 ) | AP7 ( 9 ) Low | LLLL |
| 1 ( 2 ) Low | | 3 ( 4 ) High | | 5 ( 6 ) Low | 12 ( 7 ) Low | CD7+14 ( 8 ) | AP14 ( 9 ) Low | LLLL |
| 2 ( 3 ) High | | 4 ( 5 ) Low | 10 ( 6 ) Low | 6 ( 7 ) High | CD15+14 ( 8 ) | AP15 ( 9 ) High | LLLL |
No one understands what that means falkor stop wasting your time posting things only you understand. It is foolish.
what order have you listed them Falkor..... The LLLL seem to be distributed towards the bottom of the list?
Hi Malvador,
Here is another example of LLLL.
BBRRBBRRR
On the 3rd spin you would bet to form a 1-2-3 AP and Lose
On the 7th spin you would bet to form a 5-6-7 AP and Lose
On the 8th spin you would bet to form a 2-5-8 AP and Lose
On the 9th spin you would bet to form a 1-5-9 AP and Lose
Hope this helps
Nick
Quote from: Malvador on May 02, 06:19 PM 2017
Priyanka...
What do the LLLL (The losing 10 combinations look like?) of the VDW chart you posted back at the beginning of random threads, In terms of R and B???
I've only seen this type
BRRBBRRBR
RBBRRBBRB
L LL L
I don't believe deadlocks are considered losses because when there is a dead lock you don't play. Both these situations there's a deadlock on 159 and that's not considered a 5th L
Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 02, 11:47 PM 2017
I've only seen this type
BRRBBRRBR
RBBRRBBRB
L LL L
I don't believe deadlocks are considered losses because when there is a dead lock you don't play. Both these situations there's a deadlock on 159 and that's not considered a 5th L
No, the deadlock situation automatically follows the 4th loss - unless you win then there's no deadlock situation.
Remember: LLLL and LLLW are a unity. You cannot win by trying to avoid one or the other.
Quote from: Scarface on May 02, 06:19 PM 2017
I understand the concept of it, based on Pri's Random Thoughts post....just don't see where it gives a better than 50/50 odds.
Can you please tell us
"the concept" in a simple way to understand. thanks a lot.
I understand vdw is based on arithmetic progressions
But how do we use that to help us win roulette
Thankyou all for your replys... Very appreciative to all of you...
Do all losing (LLLL) APS start with RB or BR
If so maybe we just just a AP chase only when we get RR or BB at the start?
Quote from: Malvador on May 03, 08:01 AM 2017If so maybe we just just a AP chase only when we get RR or BB at the start?
Malvador - It is very balanced whichever way you take as it is 50:50. If only there is a way to tilt this balance, we will be able to find a winning proposal using VDW. I dont know of any. Look at the following example of LLLL which starts with RR.
RRBBRRBB
Quote from: Malvador on May 03, 08:01 AM 2017
Thankyou all for your replys... Very appreciative to all of you...
Do all losing (LLLL) APS start with RB or BR
If so maybe we just just a AP chase only when we get RR or BB at the start?
There are two types of starting conditions - both 50/50. Cannot beat VdW thinking along these lines... need more radical thinking.
Quote from: Priyanka on May 03, 08:20 AM 2017
Malvador - It is very balanced whichever way you take as it is 50:50. If only there is a way to tilt this balance, we will be able to find a winning proposal using VDW. I dont know of any.
It is quite easy Priyanka.
First:There are 16 possible APs.
10 of them end with 2 possible results. All these Aps are longer than 6 spins!
So bet only the APs 123 234 135 345 246 456.
If you bet one of those and it lost, stop and start again.
Use the Power Martingale 1 3 7 15 31. These 5 Steps will meet at least 1 Winner AP.
And it breaks the 50:50 because you will win 1 unit per bet, not only 1 unit per attack!
Second:Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.
e.g.: You bet EC. choose HL. Your virtual betresults are LWLW.. You expect a L on
attack!
next AP you had results HLHL in
spins. Normal VdW tells you to bet on H in
spins. Attack-AP tells you you will Lose. So bet on Low instead!
How does vdw give you a hint on what to bet. Can this be explained
I'd like to know how it's done which is why I started the thread
winkel, thanks for posting your method, but can you kill the wheel without the secondary VdW stream overlaid on the primary VdW stream - just the basic VdW stream used on ECs: betting for APs or against APs?
Quote from: sugtips on May 03, 03:27 AM 2017
Can you please tell us "the concept" in a simple way to understand. thanks a lot.
Look at the first 3 post in Random Thoughts by Priyanka. It is explained in very simple way....better than I probably could explain it :)
Quote from: winkel on May 03, 11:21 AM 2017
It is quite easy Priyanka.
First:
There are 16 possible APs.
10 of them end with 2 possible results. All these Aps are longer than 6 spins!
So bet only the APs 123 234 135 345 246 456.
If you bet one of those and it lost, stop and start again.
Use the Power Martingale 1 3 7 15 31. These 5 Steps will meet at least 1 Winner AP.
And it breaks the 50:50 because you will win 1 unit per bet, not only 1 unit per attack!
Second:
Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.
e.g.: You bet EC. choose HL. Your virtual betresults are LWLW.. You expect a L on attack!
next AP you had results HLHL in spins. Normal VdW tells you to bet on H in spins. Attack-AP tells you you will Lose. So bet on Low instead!
Thanks, winkel. Will try this with Craps!
Quote from: winkel on May 03, 11:21 AM 2017It is quite easy Priyank
Sehr gut and danke schoen Herr Winkel. First one i understand. Will try out.
Second one is a bit difficult to grasp. Whether I do LW or based on any even chance it is ultimately a 50:50 bet right. A bit confusing.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 03, 11:31 AM 2017
How does vdw give you a hint on what to bet. Can this be explained
RG - the way I was trying to exploit it was there is a certainty of one AP getting formed. So I was try to play for that win. Unfortunately it doesn't work because of the mutual bet as Nick calls it. However nick has outlined some statistic anamolies which can help you win. Also winkel has outlined a way to play. Will need to try out. Are these kind of plays that you were looking for when you asked that question
Thanks priyanka
That's what I was thinking
Vdw is a legitimate mathematical "thing" but applying it to roulette may not make too much sense because we do not know where the arithmetic progression will form
It's still random
Thanks for your replies.... Esp Winkel... Great ideas and cant wait to test them,
Would betting two streams to form an AP on different ECs starting from 1st spin on EC (A) and the 3rd spin on EC (B) work ?
Quote from: winkel on May 03, 11:21 AM 2017
It is quite easy Priyanka.
First:
There are 16 possible APs.
10 of them end with 2 possible results. All these Aps are longer than 6 spins!
So bet only the APs 123 234 135 345 246 456.
If you bet one of those and it lost, stop and start again.
Use the Power Martingale 1 3 7 15 31. These 5 Steps will meet at least 1 Winner AP.
And it breaks the 50:50 because you will win 1 unit per bet, not only 1 unit per attack!
Second:
Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.
e.g.: You bet EC. choose HL. Your virtual betresults are LWLW.. You expect a L on attack!
next AP you had results HLHL in spins. Normal VdW tells you to bet on H in spins. Attack-AP tells you you will Lose. So bet on Low instead!
Can someone explain this
in other words 60% of the time you will get AP on spins 4,5,6 if i remember right
Meaning 456 will be the same or an AP will form on one of those?
will form either on 4,5,or 6th spin
sorry i am wrong ...
Winkel, please could you explain in a little bit more detail what you mean?
Also when you say meet at least one win-
does thjs always happen?
I've tried to apply with winkels method... It does not seem to work? Am I understanding it wrong? Can someone clarify this? Pri have you had any luck?
Quote from: winkel on May 03, 11:21 AM 2017
Second:
Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.
e.g.: You bet EC. choose HL. Your virtual betresults are LWLW.. You expect a L on attack!
next AP you had results HLHL in spins. Normal VdW tells you to bet on H in spins. Attack-AP tells you you will Lose. So bet on Low instead!
Ever since I read this post yesterday, I have been bothered, especially, by the last few concluding sentences. By arriving at the conclusion that he has listed above, the poster is on fairly shaky grounds.
Let's say you are betting EC's, like say HL. After a sequence of four spins, you may get something, like HLHL. Applying VDW, for the very next spin, you would bet High for the completion of the 1, 3, 5 AP.
But in mathematical terms, it is still a 50-50 bet between High and Low (obviously, we are excluding the zeroes in this discussion).
According to the poster, if
instead you had been virtual-betting the above HLHL sequence, you might have ended up with a W-L registry that says LWLW. So now you want to go for the 1, 3, 5 AP by betting the very next spin for whichever side was giving you the Loss -- namely, High.
But , obviously, you don't want to get a Loss (you want to win !), so you will bet for the side that would ostensibly give you a W -- which means you will bet for Low.
Acoording to the poster, this will give you some kind of an advantage.
But why?
Mathematically speaking, it is still a 50-50 toss-up between High and Low !
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on May 04, 05:59 PM 2017
Ever since I read this post yesterday, I have been bothered, especially, by the last few concluding sentences. By arriving at the conclusion that he has listed above, the poster is on fairly shaky grounds.
Let's say you are betting EC's, like say HL. After a sequence of four spins, you may get something, like HLHL. Applying VDW, for the very next spin, you would bet High for the completion of the 1, 3, 5 AP.
But in mathematical terms, it is still a 50-50 bet between High and Low (obviously, we are excluding the zeroes in this discussion).
According to the poster, if instead you had been virtual-betting the above HLHL sequence, you might have ended up with a W-L registry that says LWLW. So now you want to go for the 1, 3, 5 AP by betting the very next spin for whichever side was giving you the Loss -- namely, High.
But , obviously, you don't want to get a Loss (you want to win !), so you will bet for the side that would ostensibly give you a W -- which means you will bet for Low.
Acoording to the poster, this will give you some kind of an advantage.
But why?
Mathematically speaking, it is still a 50-50 toss-up between High and Low !
Yes it would still be a 50/50 chance using high/low or win/loss. The most troubling thing I see is the progression. If the AP doesn't hit in the first 6 bets, then that's alot to recover from
Play only the 9 anomalies. Avoid the mutual bet after spin 6. Use AP 1,2,3 to ride the streaks. Restart after a win or 2 losses.
I totally understand the concept
But we do not know where the AP will form
So how do you use it for the game? At that point it's a guessing game
Hi RG,
"But we do not know where the AP will form"
Yes, we do know where the AP will form.
It will form on the 3rd spin, 4th spin, 5th spin, 6th spin, 7th spin, 8th, spin or 9th spin.
If you play RB, then it absolutely has to form on one of those spins.
That’s the beauty of a Non Random system, it "has to" rather than "hopes to".
The question is how do you harness this information into a profitable system.
Check out what Winkel, Baelog, Malvador suggest. Give it a try.
Cheers
Nick
So a 7 step Marty should never lose?
(Not including zero)
Not quite, you still have the Mutual Bet to consider.
See what Baelog said about the Mutual Bet.
Nick
Quote from: winkel on May 03, 11:21 AM 2017
It is quite easy Priyanka.
First:
There are 16 possible APs.
10 of them end with 2 possible results. All these Aps are longer than 6 spins!
So bet only the APs 123 234 135 345 246 456.
If you bet one of those and it lost, stop and start again.
Use the Power Martingale 1 3 7 15 31. These 5 Steps will meet at least 1 Winner AP.
And it breaks the 50:50 because you will win 1 unit per bet, not only 1 unit per attack!
Second:
Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.
e.g.: You bet EC. choose HL. Your virtual betresults are LWLW.. You expect a L on attack!
next AP you had results HLHL in spins. Normal VdW tells you to bet on H in spins. Attack-AP tells you you will Lose. So bet on Low instead!
Can someone explain this please...
Hi, what is there to explain if it needs a martingale?
Quote from: 3Nine on May 07, 08:44 AM 2017
Hi, what is there to explain if it needs a martingale?
3nine, if it's simply a matter of time, knowing that the event is 5 spins (at most away) then Marty isn't a problem, he seemed pretty confident in his understanding. I just felt like I was missing something.
Maybe the assumption that a flat bet advantage is possible is what is stopping me from advancing... In all pris videos she never increased her stakes (per se) but she is also keen on stitching (2 flat bets) which is basically the same as putting 2 units on one spin.
The way I see it is increasing your bet by any type of progression is basically playing multiple games.
With vdw you are guaranteed an arithmetic progression
I just don't understand how it helps with roulette. You need to know where it will form
According to Wikipedia the 9th outcome will close an AP. But the outcome can either be B or R
Quote from: Malvador on May 07, 09:09 AM 20173nine, if it's simply a matter of time, knowing that the event is 5 spins (at most away) then Marty isn't a problem
The waiting game will not work.
Quote from: 3Nine on May 07, 09:38 AM 2017
The waiting game will not work.
Not waiting... Betting constantly (in increasing amounts) untill the guaranteed event comes! When it comes you will get profit (but only if you increase your bet relative to how much you've lost) so that when you do win (which you will, because it's the formation of an AP) (which has to happen) you end in profit.
Got it, thanks for clarifying.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 05, 12:54 PM 2017
I totally understand the concept
But we do not know where the AP will form
So how do you use it for the game? At that point it's a guessing game
Hehe that's called the Random part... The NON random part is the fact you know it's going to happen! If you know something is coming before it happens, it's just a matter of progression and MM... The great thing is that there is a maximum limit to the when. The when has to be within 9 spins... Excluding zero for now!
Quote from: Malvador on May 07, 09:58 AM 2017
Not waiting... Betting constantly (in increasing amounts) untill the guaranteed event comes! When it comes you will get profit (but only if you increase your bet relative to how much you've lost) so that when you do win (which you will, because it's the formation of an AP) (which has to happen) you end in profit.
Sorry, that is completely wrong!
Quote from: winkel on May 07, 11:00 AM 2017
Sorry, that is completely wrong!
So then explain it.
Regardless of vdw the next spin can either be red or black so how could help us win
Quote from: winkel on May 07, 11:00 AM 2017
Sorry, that is completely wrong!
Sorry! Im just throwing ideas around, please could you explain a litlle more or point me in the right direction at least. You obviously know and I obviously don't! Please just point me to the areas I need to look at more.
You don't even need to explain step by step, I'm happy to work at it but just need the right guidance. Many thanks
If we played the 9 anomalies, then we'd be playing the last five spins. If we could count on a win in those five spins, we could get rich using a five step martingale of sorts. However, in about 20% of those 5 spin sets, a "mutual" bet will come up, which is like a fly landing in your soup. All bets are off at that point. If this happened back to back, it's not as easy as a five step progression anymore, when the one guaranteed win happens on the deadlocked bet, which you technically cannot bet, because it's 50/50 at best.
Would need to see more statistics on this to see clearly what might work.
The basic AP is an order of 3 same elements:
BBB
B.B.B
B..B..B
You only bet on the 3rd appearance of that element. You con´t bet permanently!
The chance to be right is 50:50!
BBR
B.B.R
B..B..R
are the losing rows. These don´t build an AP!
What we know is: if we are looking for an AP of thre same elements, we will find at least one in a row of 9 elements.
9 elements:
BBBBBBBBB
in this we find all possible 16 combinations of an AP!
But to win, we just have to find 1 AP, and the stopp.
If our first try failed, we can be sure to find at least one AP in the next up to 9th try.
But we have to face, that after the 6th position all possible AP´s can be of one or the other colour if there hasn´t been shown an AP before.
What we can do is this:
first two spins, we can´t bet at all.
first possible bet is on the third spin if we startet with BB? bet B
first possible bet is on the fourth spin if we startet with RBB? bet B
first possible bet is in the 5th spin if we started with BRBR? bet B
first possible bet is in the 5th also if we started RRBB? bet B
first possible bet is in the 6th spin if we started RBxRR? bet R
pls note this all fits also to the opposite orders of R and/or B
first spin is an R - so we virtually follow R
Zero in first spin: we just ignore and restart with the next spin.
RZero now we list Zero as nonR(B)
If we couldn´t manage to find an AP within the first 6 spins, we stop and restart.
Possible losses 1 or 2 bets!
Restart your game with an adaquate Progression. Try to figure out how many rows of 6 spins in order won´t give you at least one AP!
Thank you winkel, can we retrack or overlap sets? Ie. Use the 6th spin as the first spin in the new set?
Is it 3 sets of 6?
Just thinking.
In 9 spins ( a set) 3 elements of the set must hold the same property... Does it also follow then that in 6 spins ( a set) 2 elements must hold the same property...
How did I come to this... Simply 9/3 = 3
3/3 =1 so multiple both by 2... To get 6 spins and 2 the same...
Quote from: Malvador on May 07, 09:58 AM 2017
Not waiting... Betting constantly (in increasing amounts) untill the guaranteed event comes! When it comes you will get profit (but only if you increase your bet relative to how much you've lost) so that when you do win (which you will, because it's the formation of an AP) (which has to happen) you end in profit.
No that's not right!
Vdw is used to create AP correct. But what you guys are not understanding is that vdw by itself is 50/50
IT IS NOT USED BY ITSELF!
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😱There is a balanced game and an imbalanced game!!
👉Clearly if it's not balanced and some side is more favorable and you use vdw, wouldn't you say the favorable side will show up more 🤔
🚨I suggest you try to attack one part and then the other! Everything all together is just confusing you because you aren't even done understanding the thing from before. Try to understand one thing at a time and why it does what it does and then move on. 🚨
I cant speak anymore clear and help anymore then I am already doing.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 07, 12:19 PM 2017
No that's not right!
😱There is a balanced game and an imbalanced game!!
👉Clearly if it's not balanced and some side is more favorable and you use vdw, wouldn't you say the favorable side will show up more 🤔
Does this suggest that VdW can be used to suggest when there is a balance that can be exploited somewhere else, or imbalance to be exploited with another game altogether?
so why are you not all rich from exploiting this on baccarat?
there is more to it
QuoteIt's easy to make mistakes when first looking at this. Here is a little chart which tells you what AP combinations can appear during the 9 spins.
Spin 3 = 123
Spin 4 = 234
Spin 5 = 345, 135
Spin 6 = 456, 246
Spin 7 = 567, 357, 147
Spin 8 = 678, 468, 258
Spin 9 = 789, 579, 369, 159
16 AP combinations in total.
Quote from: Still on May 07, 12:37 PM 2017
Does this suggest that VdW can be used to suggest when there is a balance that can be exploited somewhere else, or imbalance to be exploited with another game altogether?
Yes
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 07, 12:38 PM 2017
so why are you not all rich from exploiting this on baccarat?
there is more to it
I had my own system before all this came together for me.... can I win now? Yes!
Do I have the money to invest into it right this minute? NO!
At the same time I am learning and trying new things and applying my original method with this... I've tested live at casino and it's doing fine. This week Monday I should start testing with chino change
to me it seems if the VDW arithmetic progression could help with gambling then it should be a cash cow for baccart
the problem is the amount of possible APs
QuoteIt's easy to make mistakes when first looking at this. Here is a little chart which tells you what AP combinations can appear during the 9 spins.
Spin 3 = 123
Spin 4 = 234
Spin 5 = 345, 135
Spin 6 = 456, 246
Spin 7 = 567, 357, 147
Spin 8 = 678, 468, 258
Spin 9 = 789, 579, 369, 159
16 AP combinations in total.
after spin 5 a progression wont help because you do not know WHICH AP it will be
so on spin 7 do you bet for 567, 357, or 147
how to know!?!?!?!?!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 07, 01:04 PM 2017
after spin 5 a progression wont help because you do not know WHICH AP it will be
so on spin 7 do you bet for 567, 357, or 147
how to know!?!?!?!?!
I will say it one more time very clear.....
Normal vdw wont work!! Will be 50/50. Need to play it against an IMBALANCED game.
What game is imbalanced
I try to explain my idea with this baccarat-results in attachement:
B
B bet B 1unit
P lost
P bet P 3units
B lost there is no chance to find an AP up to draw 6 so restart
B
B bet B 7units
B won -11+14=3units restart
B
P
P bet P 1unit
T no result/no loss restart
B
P
B
B bet B 1unit
P lost
P don´t beet because there are 2 results for an AP 1 4 7 on B, 5 6 7 on P!
B
P
P bet on P 3units
B lost
B bet 7units on B
P lost and restart
B
B bet 15 units on B
P lost
B
B bet 31 units on B
P lost restart
B
B bet 63 units on B
B won -120+126=+6+4=10units
P
T (nonP)
P
P bet P 1 unit
B lost no chance to finish an AP in 6 draws so restart
P
P bet 3units on P
P won -4+6=+2+10=12 units
B
B
Tried it recording results into 2 columns.
"-" = no bet
PP
BB
PB
PB - w
PB w -
BP
PP
BP - w
PB
BB w -
BP
BB
PP
BB
PB - L
BP w -
BP
PP
PB - L
PB w -
PB
BB
BP - L
BP w -
BP
BB
PB L -
PB - w
A.
We know for Vdw, that is stable selection and the variance is much milder, there is no extreme deviation in long run. But using an aggressive short term progression is pointless.
With all due respect, why playing such a progression would make sense?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 07, 01:44 PM 2017
What game is imbalanced
The game I created in the 'making random betselection non random' is very imbalanced!
This is a very risky progression...the example goes from 1 unit to 63 units! And this isn't even worse case scenerio.
This are(again) few from my non random examples, now depending
what bet selection you choose to bet, will have different
LW registrys ( like LWLWLW....OR LLWWLLWW....or
many others). And yes it s about balance and imbalance ,
i would say *forced/pushed* balance or imbalance.
Put some order into random and will find good things.
Use numbers or splits, streets...
NR
12 a a
4 b a
23 a b
7 b b
34 a a
4 b a
18 a b
9 b b
28 a a
3 b a
5 a b
29 b b
33 a a
1 b a
17 a b
15 b b
----------------------------------------------
Nr
11 a a
14 b a
25 c b
7 a b
34 b c
24 c c
11 a a
13 b a
28 c b
36 a b
5 b c
29 c c
31 a a
19 b a
27 c b
30 a b
4 b c
8 c c
Quote from: Scarface on May 07, 06:43 PM 2017
This is a very risky progression...the example goes from 1 unit to 63 units! And this isn't even worse case scenerio.
I presume, you only bet if there is a worse case scenario to proof, that all bets and progressions will lose.
What about the many occasions you would win this way?
And if a bet of 63 units with a total risc of 120 units is to big for your bankroll: don´t play roulette at all!
The bank holds 100000 units to win over you. and you start with 10 units to beat them?
David vs. Goliath is a nice but very rare event to happen!
I read alot of strats that require huge bankroll with long progression betting.
For B&M casino starting with min. at $25 a 150units bankroll is large imo.
I'll only be interested in systems with flat bet of 10-12 units br. Start min. then compound the wins.
That's just me how I read the risk of the bet. Am I alone on this, what about others?
Haha 10-20 units, people really know nothing about the probability and deviations.
I recomend read some about blackjack, even as it has an advantage when counting cards, the deviation can be -250 units from top, in the worst situation.
Even if we have 10% edge over casino. We can expect drawdowns of over -50 units.
Quote from: cht on May 08, 02:58 PM 2017
I'll only be interested in systems with flat bet of 10-12 units br. Start min. then compound the wins.
And you will tell us, that you win. Give us your system and we will praise you
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Spin 1&2, so no bet for spin 3
Spin 1&3, wait for spin 5,
Spin 1&4, wait for spin 7,
Spin 3&4, bet spin 5, and lose
Spin 2&5, wait for spin 8,
Spin 6 at this time unknown
Spin 5&6 bet red at 7, but spin 1&4 is bet for black at spin 7, conflict
Quote from: winkel on May 08, 04:48 PM 2017
And you will tell us, that you win. Give us your system and we will praise you
So I guess I'm alone doing this.
My system is a very boring grind. Tracking ECs rb, bs, oe over 24 decks bacs or 500 roulette spins I get 3-5 bets daily. As to the meaning of win, it's like 40+ units per month, most people will laugh at it. And you people win 20-30 units per day or 100+ units, are you guys kidding with such a large edge over the casino, is it even possible? Casino games flawed?
Some people say we can't use hand phones at the table, at my local b&m they even provide USB charging ports on their electronic tables - the rules are different?
Most people here don't give their bread&butter system, same with me. I designed mine on excel based on fx charts & tools, that's all I'll share.
Quote from: cht on May 08, 09:22 PM 2017
So I guess I'm alone doing this.
My system is a very boring grind. Tracking ECs rb, bs, oe over 24 decks bacs or 500 roulette spins I get 3-5 bets daily. As to the meaning of win, it's like 40+ units per month, most people will laugh at it. And you people win 20-30 units per day or 100+ units, are you guys kidding with such a large edge over the casino, is it even possible? Casino games flawed?
Some people say we can't use hand phones at the table, at my local b&m they even provide USB charging ports on their electronic tables - the rules are different?
Most people here don't give their bread&butter system, same with me. I designed mine on excel based on fx charts & tools, that's all I'll share.
If you open a thread and talk about it, you might not be the only one doing it anymore.
How are you able to sit at the table for 500 spins/cards, phone in hand, and only bet 3-5 times?
So do you use off-the-shelf indicators?
Quote from: Still on May 08, 11:56 PM 2017
If you open a thread and talk about it, you might not be the only one doing it anymore.
How are you able to sit at the table for 500 spins/cards, phone in hand, and only bet 3-5 times?
So do you use off-the-shelf indicators?
I do this at the electronic tables right now actually. 125spins per session with my partner for 2 - 3hr sessions giving 500spins. HP is no problem at the electronic tables. Signal to flat bet 3-5 per day.
Yes, off-the-shelf Indis but I have to write it on excel macro and create the charts with dot signals. If you know how to write mql codes, it'll be easier else you gotta learn these stuff from scratch. BTW you need to learn how to trade off fix indis first & foremost and that's another large part to learn.
So, it's not that simple as to just start a thread to share. I've shared how I do it, if you've done fx you'll understand what I shared. Anyway, don't think this is the correct thread to talk about it - just responding to questions. Apologize RouletteGhost.
Quote from: cht on May 08, 09:22 PM 2017Most people here don't give their bread&butter system, same with me. I designed mine on excel based on fx charts & tools, that's all I'll share.
You become first and please share your bread & butter system, it will become lots of needy people's b&b system. thanks.
Quote from: cht on May 09, 12:32 AM 2017
I do this at the electronic tables right now actually. 125spins per session with my partner for 2 - 3hr sessions giving 500spins. HP is no problem at the electronic tables. Signal to flat bet 3-5 per day.
Yes, off-the-shelf Indis but I have to write it on excel macro and create the charts with dot signals. If you know how to write mql codes, it'll be easier else you gotta learn these stuff from scratch. BTW you need to learn how to trade off fix indis first & foremost and that's another large part to learn.
So, it's not that simple as to just start a thread to share. I've shared how I do it, if you've done fx you'll understand what I shared. Anyway, don't think this is the correct thread to talk about it - just responding to questions. Apologize RouletteGhost.
But how are you able to spin any machine 500 times, and only bet 3-5 times?
I'm familiar with FX and common indis, as well as mql (Metaquotes) language, VB/VBA language, and Excel formulas.
So you would normally do this with MetaTrader/MetaQuotes, but built it in VBA for Excel for Roulette/Baccarat?
Quote from: Still on May 09, 04:43 AM 2017
But how are you able to spin any machine 500 times, and only bet 3-5 times?
The local b&m property has 2 sections - manual tables and electronic table games which runs continuously at approx 1spin per minute with 40+ betting tables per machine. You don't need to place bets while waiting for the right betting opportunity.
I'm familiar with FX and common indis, as well as mql (Metaquotes) language, VB/VBA language, and Excel formulas.
So you would normally do this with MetaTrader/MetaQuotes, but built it in VBA for Excel for Roulette/Baccarat?
Yes, since you are familiar you might want to explore this. With roulette/bacs, you don't have to deal with spread, slippage on order fills, no spikes SL hunting, black swan and the rest....and it's cash basis.
Quote from: chtYes, since you are familiar you might want to explore this. With roulette/bacs, you don't have to deal with spread, slippage on order fills, no spikes SL hunting, black swan and the rest....and it's cash basis.
I'm curious how many indis you are using, the longest and shortest lookback period, and the win% on the few bets that you take. Must be high if you only use a 12 unit bankroll. Actually the win% only makes sense if i also know the % of the wheel covered on the average bet.
Quote from: Still on May 09, 05:58 AM 2017
I'm curious how many indis you are using, the longest and shortest lookback period, and the win% on the few bets that you take. Must be high if you only use a 12 unit bankroll. Actually the win% only makes sense if i also know the % of the wheel covered on the average bet.
Ichi, macd, ma plus 1osc.
Shortest - 3, longest - 32 for bacs, roulette 5 & 66
EC - br, bs and OE so just 1unit per bet. The small br means the win% has gotta be high else you'll hit margin call easily :)
Quote from: cht on May 09, 06:16 AM 2017
Ichi, macd, ma plus 1osc. Shortest - 3, longest - 32.
EC - br, bs and OE so just 1unit per bet. The small br means the win% has gotta be high else you'll hit margin call easily :)
Interesting. Thanks. Now back to our regularly scheduled VdW program.
Quote from: winkel on May 08, 11:24 AM 2017
I presume, you only bet if there is a worse case scenario to proof, that all bets and progressions will lose.
What about the many occasions you would win this way?
And if a bet of 63 units with a total risc of 120 units is to big for your bankroll: don´t play roulette at all!
The bank holds 100000 units to win over you. and you start with 10 units to beat them?
David vs. Goliath is a nice but very rare event to happen!
I don't need to break the casino. Just leave with more money than I came in with. Would I martingale from a $10 bet to a $630 bet in 5 spins? Hell no! And it isn't because I don't have the bankroll. It's just a stupid bet. 5 losses on even bets happen frequently! All experienced roulette players know this.
Quote from: cht on May 09, 06:16 AM 2017
Ichi, macd, ma plus 1osc.
Shortest - 3, longest - 32 for bacs, roulette 5 & 66
EC - br, bs and OE so just 1unit per bet. The small br means the win% has gotta be high else you'll hit margin call easily :)
I'm not familiar with the lingo but, just so I'm clear, are you referring to betting trends? Thanks
Quote from: 3Nine on May 09, 09:54 AM 2017
I'm not familiar with the lingo but, just so I'm clear, are you referring to betting trends? Thanks
Ichi = Ichimoto
macd=moving average convergence divergence.
ma= moving average
osc= oscillator
Indicators generally "look back" some time period to predict what will happen next.
Margin call is a reference to a lost bankroll.
br, bs, OE = black/red odd/even and I don't know what he means by "bs".
Two basic ways to use indicators: go with the trend, or reversion to some mean. Inclusion of ma and macd suggests trend following but I don't know what he does.
Quote from: Still on May 09, 12:50 PM 2017
but I don't know what he does.
Only thing that stood out to me about what he does was 500 spins for less then 8 units :o :o :o
Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 09, 01:06 PM 2017
Only thing that stood out to me about what he does was 500 spins for less then 8 units :o :o :o
I noted 3-5 bets per 500 spins = 40 units profit per month. Let's say he plays 20 days a month. That's 60-100 bets for 40 units, which is a win rate% of 75% on EC bets, if I'm not mistaken. Less if playing more days. Plenty if base unit is $100. Less than that it all depends on moving the wheel for free.
Quote from: Still on May 09, 01:29 PM 2017
I noted 3-5 bets per 500 spins = 40 units profit per month. Let's say he plays 20 days a month. That's 60-100 bets for 40 units, which is a win rate% of 75% on EC bets, if I'm not mistaken. Less if playing more days. Plenty if base unit is $100. Less than that it all depends on moving the wheel for free.
I guess not that bad 3.5+ hours (2 ppl team i believe he said) at the casino daily
It beats having a job O0
Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 09, 01:40 PM 2017
I guess not that bad 3.5+ hours (2 ppl team i believe he said) at the casino daily
It beats having a job O0
He could probably to better if he had more than three EC's to track. I suspect there are many other EC bets that could be manufactured with the wheel.
Quote from: winkel on May 08, 11:24 AM 2017
I presume, you only bet if there is a worse case scenario to proof, that all bets and progressions will lose.
What about the many occasions you would win this way?
And if a bet of 63 units with a total risc of 120 units is to big for your bankroll: don´t play roulette at all!
The bank holds 100000 units to win over you. and you start with 10 units to beat them?
David vs. Goliath is a nice but very rare event to happen!
We need to bookmark this response !
Next time someone has the temerity to trash Lord Martingale's method (or ones that are similar to it), we should direct him or her to the above post -- especially, the sentences highlighted in
red.
Quote from: Still on May 08, 11:56 PM 2017
If you open a thread and talk about it, you might not be the only one doing it anymore.
How are you able to sit at the table for 500 spins/cards, phone in hand, and only bet 3-5 times?
So do you use off-the-shelf indicators?
Resorts world casino is 30 minutes from me. Has roughly 20 airball machines
Huge casino
Video and cell phones allowed I can video my airball play until I'm blue in the face
New airball machines have cell chargers
Also can sit and observe. Just make a small bet every now and then
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 09, 03:13 PM 2017also can sit and observe. Just make a small bet every now and then
Thats the best part, you can watch, my favorite word, the "trot", make a decision all in your own time.
I love airball for that reason
A hope and a prayer that it is not rigged though.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 09, 03:31 PM 2017
Thats the best part, you can watch, my favorite word, the "trot"
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Well get the 60 spin sheet and record
You know that spins 11-40 are usually 15.7 non-hits, that usually come as 11-20, 7+2, 21-30, 12+2 and 31-40, 15,+0
Also watch how the groups of 10 spins perform, you should see atleast 1 repeat in the 10 spins more often than 10/10 no repeat.
As for Vdw i'll leave that alone, that one up to you
Good luck :thumbsup:
just played these on multi player
went 10/10, 10/10, 10/10, 10/10, 8/10 and 9/10
Quote from: nottophammer on May 09, 04:22 PM 2017
just played these on multi player
went 10/10, 10/10, 10/10, 10/10, 8/10 and 9/10
Nice, I like GUT. especially what you have done with it
Keep making them units, I enjoy seeing people making money :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on May 09, 03:12 PM 2017
We need to bookmark this response !
Next time someone has the temerity to trash Lord Martingale's method (or ones that are similar to it), we should direct him or her to the above post -- especially, the sentences highlighted in red.
Try this. Pick any even chance bet you choose with 50/50 odds. Now whatever you pick, play this continuously for 100 wagers. I can guarantee you will have 5 losses in a row nearly every time! This is not a rare occurance...actually the odds are 1 in 32 it will happen. Do you really want to place individual bets of 31, 63, or 126 units just to win 1?
This is why alot of newcomers to the game feel they have a "can't lose" method, when 5 losses in a row a VERY COMMON and the wins come nowhere close to overcoming this.
I have nothing against gradual progressions, or parachute. But a progression this steep is way to risky.
Quote from: Scarface on May 09, 09:30 PM 2017
Try this. Pick any even chance bet you choose with 50/50 odds. Now whatever you pick, play this continuously for 100 wagers. I can guarantee you will have 5 losses in a row nearly every time! This is not a rare occurance...actually the odds are 1 in 32 it will happen. Do you really want to place individual bets of 31, 63, or 126 units just to win 1?
This is why alot of newcomers to the game feel they have a "can't lose" method, when 5 losses in a row a VERY COMMON and the wins come nowhere close to overcoming this.
I have nothing against gradual progressions, or parachute. But a progression this steep is way to risky.
Scarface,
Did you not detect the sarcasm in my above post ? :twisted:
Maybe I should have directly expressed it as such. >:D
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on May 09, 09:49 PM 2017
Scarface,
Did you not detect the sarcasm in my above post ? :twisted:
Maybe I should have directly expressed it as such. >:D
My bad DoctorSoduku. I thought you were being serious lol :)
Quote from: Scarface on May 09, 09:30 PM 2017
Try this. Pick any even chance bet you choose with 50/50 odds. Now whatever you pick, play this continuously for 100 wagers. I can guarantee you will have 5 losses in a row nearly every time! This is not a rare occurance...actually the odds are 1 in 32 it will happen. Do you really want to place individual bets of 31, 63, or 126 units just to win 1?
This is why alot of newcomers to the game feel they have a "can't lose" method, when 5 losses in a row a VERY COMMON and the wins come nowhere close to overcoming this.
I have nothing against gradual progressions, or parachute. But a progression this steep is way to risky.
That´s the bad thing in all forum´s all over the world.
There are always people who just jump in to spread their comtempt on people they decided to hate.
But thinking is not their mattere:
1. This betselection is not betting spin by spin!
2. This exmple was made to show what I meant by just betting 6 out of 9 outcomes to follow.
3. Also the progression was shown for this attempt.
4. The progression can be changed to any known progression as DÃllembert, Fibo, name it.
5. The shown progression does not win just 1 unit! Pls calculate again, if it fits your range of intelligence
6. What is the difference between six continously bet spins and 6 bets within 6 groups of 6 spins. (Pls calculate again, if it fits your range of intelligence)
7. Especially under the circumstances that the betselection reduces the variances
Winkel, don't be so sensitive :). I would personally not go from $10 to $630 in 5 wagers. That was the example you gave. I just said it seems risky, and 5 losses are common. Just my opinion...no contempt or hate :). Good luck!
Sensitive is an understatement
He let Caleb derail GUT instead of ignoring him
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 10, 02:35 PM 2017
Sensitive is an understatement
He let Caleb derail GUT instead of ignoring him
Yea, I'm definitely not trying to derail. I'm interested in his VDW method, just hesitant to use a progression like that. Winkel has good ideas. I'm pretty sure his GUT thread is what lead me to this forum
Going back to Nick's Vdw
If we have very stable selections by AP, we can even more restrict the variance. After 4 or even 3 straight losing bets we wait for virtual win, in this way we avoid long series of loses.
In some thread I read that by keeping the rules, drawdowns in exceptional circumstances exceeded -100 units from highest point.
One thing that can be used is this progression
Only theoretically, I have an idea for a very long progressions designed for bot and RNG.
We use these steps of progression, but in this way, raise the stakes after 20units down from the highest point of the bankroll, or say if the 20 losing bets from the top rise in steps
1
2
3
5
8
12
18
This is 980 units, and the must-140 lost bets from highest point to lose.
Sometimes you need thousands of spins to reach new high. But this is just a theory
We play so when we lose the first 20 units, and we play 2 units we must win 20 bets to back to 1 unit, we have to either win 20 bets or lose 20 bets at each level. If we win 20 bets on higher level and we have new high we reset.
Quote from: ozon on May 10, 05:24 PM 2017
We use these steps of progression, but in this way, raise the stakes after 20units down from the highest point of the bankroll, or say if the 20 losing bets from the top rise in steps
1
2
3
5
8
12
18
This is 980 units,
Ozon,
If you are going to use a negative progression, then why not try something milder, like
1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2, etc.
The above is the original gr8player progression, but you can use modified and shortened versions of it. Your bankroll will thank you for it.
My progression is even milder.
111111111111111111111
22222222222222222222 etc
We got 20 bets for step if we lose all 20 bets in rise the stake.
The concept is to master the virtual limits of bet selection
But it's just a concept, at any moment we can get a series that will increase the virtual limits and lose.
In the past i test alot Gr8 progression and is no good , becouse when we have at beginning very bad series , at the higher levels stakes rise to slow to get out from hole.It is short term progression.
Ozon,
Or you can try the D' Alembert +1/-1 progression with appropriate stop loss. But your original proposed progression is too long and steep.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 10, 02:35 PM 2017
Sensitive is an understatement
He let Caleb derail GUT instead of ignoring him
I love this argument. The girl let the raper rape her instead of ignoring him
Quite the extreme comparison but I kind of get the point
Quote from: winkel on May 03, 11:21 AM 2017
It is quite easy Priyanka.
First:
There are 16 possible APs.
10 of them end with 2 possible results. All these Aps are longer than 6 spins!
So bet only the APs 123 234 135 345 246 456.
If you bet one of those and it lost, stop and start again.
Use the Power Martingale 1 3 7 15 31. These 5 Steps will meet at least 1 Winner AP.
And it breaks the 50:50 because you will win 1 unit per bet, not only 1 unit per attack!
Second:
Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.
e.g.: You bet EC. choose HL. Your virtual betresults are LWLW.. You expect a L on attack!
next AP you had results HLHL in spins. Normal VdW tells you to bet on H in spins. Attack-AP tells you you will Lose. So bet on Low instead!
What's LW?
Never mind. Got it
bump :)