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Hey guys so ive been learning so much and testing new ideas and possibilities.  Ive created a mechanical way of playing using non random principles. I played at hard rock yesterday with the rng roulette machine that looks like slots and i came out ahead 20 units in less then 15 spins.  Tested a few spins airball and came out ahead.  Ive Been trying to perfect things behind the scene testing and coming up with new ideas could barely sleep  :twisted:  All is going so well I wanted to share this with you and maybe new ideas will come out of it.  Also this is me paying it forward!!!

Priyanka brought order and chaos with her principles.  As many times as we all try to explain more people get confused. Then you have the math guys complaining about the house edge and zero here and blah blah blah  :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:

NON RANDOM IS THE WAY TO GO!... So much to explore and learn.  I urge everyone to leave the random world of stats and get something more organized.

VDW is nothing more then playing with the current!  What you want is to create a biased game and vdw will work wonders!  ***Now i admit the mechanical games i created, i dont not use vdw! MY reason is because i want something mechanical where i dont want to think and look around.  I just want to play blindly based on math and win.  But i did test vdw with it and skips losses and wins more to give a better advantage.  I dont care, i still win without it and MM recovers quick****

Cycles.... i recommend cycles, if you explore this area.  You will move from randomness and more to non random!!  Everything has a cycle!!!

Quote from: winkel on May 03, 11:21 AM 2017

Second:

Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.

I will share an idea in the next post and hopefully inspire some people, let me pick up from where winkel left off  :xd: :thumbsup:

Sorry in advance for grammar and misspelling    :-X

Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 17, 02:46 PM 2015

W........L ........group 1
LW........LL  ........group 2
LLW........LLL ........group 3
LLLW........LLLL ........group 4

Apples and Pears  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Alright so im not going to get into stitched bets or any of that.  I will just show you how to create non random using a bet selection...  I will use Follow the last outcome

A win closes the cycle.. 4 losses closes the cycle

R   
B   L
B   W........2
R   L
B   L
B   W........3
B   W........1
R   L
R   W........2-------2312
R   W........1
B   L
R   L
R   W........3
R   W........1-------2131
B   L
B   W........2
R   L
B   L
B   W........3
B   W........1-------1231
B   W........1-------11
R   L
R   W........2
R   W........1-------121
B   L
R   L
B   L
B   W........4
R   L
R   W........2
R   W........1-------1421
B   L
R   L
R   W........3
R   W........1-------131

There it is!  Created a game with real stats you can track that aren't random..........How random is this game?

Hello

And what is that? :

R B R B R B R B R B R B

OK sorry ,


So there are 8 groups ?

And what about the zero? Is everyone that plays this theorem playing non-zero roulette tables? I asked Nickmsi about this at GF if his graph includes zero and his response was this:

Hi Celescliff, thanks for asking a question which I am happy to answer.
No, the Zero is not included.
The test was to see if we can beat a 50/50 system just betting Black with no progression which we did.
Our intention is to play this for baccarat which has a much lower house advantage.
Cheers

Nick

So have you played this with casinos HE applied?

Quote from: plolp on May 05, 04:56 AM 2017
OK sorry ,


So there are 8 groups ?

No there are 4 groups like quads.

Is follow the last outcome what you use ?

Quote from: celescliff on May 05, 05:29 AM 2017
And what about the zero? Is everyone that plays this theorem playing non-zero roulette?

So have you played this with casinos HE applied?

if zero was not around.. can you win?

If your win amount ratio is higher, does zero make a big difference?

In my first post I said ...I went to the casino and played on their rng slot like machine. I said I was up 20 units in 15 spins.  How much do you believe I worried about zero?

Here's another example, I was talking to someone in this forum and shared this data

EC - 56 spins

1-13 profit 8
14-30 profit 13.5
31-56 profit 14


Dozen - 39 spins

1-18... profit 15.5
19-30... profit 15
31-39... profit 17


Lines - 37 spins

1-21 ....profit 21
22-37...profit 33
38-45.. profit 25


I'm pretty confident the data will hold let's say 200 spins!  Heck 1000 spins!  You know what, I'm pretty sure it will hold 10k!!!!!

How much do you think I worry about the zero? Don't get me wrong, I found something for zero too but my point is....

If you can't beat the game regular without zero... why don't you first create a good method to win without it and then find a solution for it?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 05, 07:47 AM 2017
Is follow the last outcome what you use ?

Yes, I used follow last outcome to show how to convert game to non random using bet selection.

How do you apply the theory in the casino?

MoneyT, thank you for sharing.  It seems some people want you to play for them, too. 

Nice ideas there Money. Do you use progressions?

Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 05, 07:54 AM 2017If you can't beat the game regular without zero... why don't you first create a good method to win without it and then find a solution for it?

And seem like a sensible idea.

How about following the last 3 unique ds instead? Surely that will provide even better edge Money? Your then playing based off last 3 spins not to repeat instead of just one.
Also I cooperates pris 75%

Just a thought.

Quote from: 3Nine on May 05, 08:24 AM 2017
MoneyT, thank you for sharing.  It seems some people want you to play for them, too.

Damn right

Instead of an example how about how he is applying it in the casino

Quote from: Malvador on May 05, 08:43 AM 2017
How about following the last 3 unique ds instead? Surely that will provide even better edge Money? Your then playing based off last 3 spins not to repeat instead of just one.
Also I cooperates pris 75%

Just a thought.

Tried that

If you find a way to make it work let me know

Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 05, 08:08 AM 2017
How do you apply the theory in the casino?

The point of this thread was to show how to create a non random game from a random game using a betselection. 

If you take Raymanz analysis of Priyanka video, you can make a similar play style.

Quote from: 3Nine on May 05, 08:24 AM 2017
MoneyT, thank you for sharing.  It seems some people want you to play for them, too.

lol thank you

Quote from: Priyanka on May 05, 08:33 AM 2017
Nice ideas there Money. Do you use progressions?And seem like a sensible idea.

Yes in my method i play with a progression because its more mechanical based on cycle stats. 

MoneyT101, thanks for sharing.

Just want to confirm that I understand your example in reply #1

As stated, you are using FTL - Follow the last outcome

for both

1) Even Chance (in this case Red/Black)

and

2) Previous defining Dozen (or it could be Columns, Quads, Lines, etc).

Then use proper money management to make a profit when you win.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 05, 08:44 AM 2017Damn right

Instead of an example how about how he is applying it in the casino

Using data from second post....Green means i win and red means i loss.....i'll let you guys figure out orange  :twisted:

R   
B   L
B   W........2
R   L
B   L
B   W........3
B   W........1
R   L
R   W........2-------2312
R   W........1
B   L
R   L
R   W........3
R   W........1-------2131
B   L
B   W........2
R   L
B   L
B   W........3
B   W........1-------1231
B   W........1-------11
R   L
R   W........2
R   W........1-------121
B   L
R   L
B   L
B   W........4
R   L
R   W........2
R   W........1-------1421
B   L
R   L
R   W........3
R   W........1-------131

Wins 13
Loss 6


I do not play this way!!!  I just wanted to share an idea of how to create a non random idea from a betselection.  But to point out that this can work.  I applied sort of the same betting method priyanka used in the raymanz break down video.

Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 05, 09:31 AM 2017
Using data from second post....Green means i win and red means i loss.....i'll let you guys figure out orange  :twisted:

R   
B   L
B   W........2
R   L
B   L
B   W........3
B   W........1
R   L
R   W........2-------2312
R   W........1
B   L
R   L
R   W........3
R   W........1-------2131
B   L
B   W........2
R   L
B   L
B   W........3
B   W........1-------1231
B   W........1-------11
R   L
R   W........2
R   W........1-------121
B   L
R   L
B   L
B   W........4
R   L
R   W........2
R   W........1-------1421
B   L
R   L
R   W........3
R   W........1-------131

Wins 13
Loss 6


I do not play this way!!!  I just wanted to share an idea of how to create a non random idea from a betselection.  But to point out that this can work.  I applied sort of the same betting method priyanka used in the raymanz break down video.

Thanks. Will look this weekend

Quote from: stringbeanpc on May 05, 09:17 AM 2017

As stated, you are using FTL - Follow the last outcome

1) Even Chance (in this case Red/Black)

and

2) Previous defining Dozen (or it could be Columns, Quads, Lines, etc).

Then use proper money management to make a profit when you win.

• Here i just applied Follow the last to get a win loss registry
• Then i created cycles based on

1-W
2-LW
3-LLW
4-LLLW.....LLLL ( IF 4 LOSSES, MARK AS 4 AND START NEW TRACKING)

• As each cycle came.. i tracked when it repeat happened.( Has to repeat after 4 different!  Non Random  :xd:)

• Now look at whats happening and play according to data ( use Raymanz breakdown of Priyanka video to help understand whats going on.)

I will not get more detailed then this!!!!!  This was just to show how to create non random with a betselection, i shared way more info then what i created this for and shed more light on a few things

Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 05, 08:46 AM 2017
Tried that

If you find a way to make it work let me know

Hi RG, I meant only to use last 3 ds spun to create the WL registry..

Money.  Could you please link to Rayman breakdown as I can't find it....

Quote from: Malvador on May 05, 10:39 AM 2017
Hi RG, I meant only to use last 3 ds spun to create the WL registry..

Money.  Could you please link to Rayman breakdown as I can't find it....

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.420

Post 428

TY vm, I appreciate it...

Ps.. Very good ideas Money.. Got me thinking about lots of other possibilities.

Quote from: Malvador on May 05, 10:51 AM 2017
TY vm, I appreciate it...

Ps.. Very good ideas Money.. Got me thinking about lots of other possibilities.

Thank you.....Thank Priyanka!!!  She brought these concepts and ideas.  Im just exploring and learning.

Quote from: Malvador on May 05, 10:39 AM 2017
Hi RG, I meant only to use last 3 ds spun to create the WL registry..

Money.  Could you please link to Rayman breakdown as I can't find it....

I like the idea of betting DS as an EC

I was being serious when I said of you make it work let me know lol

RG

I'm trying mate... Trust me I am trying lol...

Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 05, 10:54 AM 2017
Thank you.....Thank Priyanka!!!  She brought these concepts and ideas.  Im just exploring and learning.

THANK YOU Priyanka... We all love you! Even tho sometimes you are mean because your so clever and cryptic lol

Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 05, 09:31 AM 2017
Using data from second post....Green means i win and red means i loss.....i'll let you guys figure out orange  :twisted:

R   
B   L
B   W........2
R   L
B   L
B   W........3
B   W........1
R   L
R   W........2-------2312
R   W........1
B   L
R   L
R   W........3
R   W........1-------2131
B   L
B   W........2
R   L
B   L
B   W........3
B   W........1-------1231
B   W........1-------11
R   L
R   W........2
R   W........1-------121
B   L
R   L
B   L
B   W........4
R   L
R   W........2
R   W........1-------1421
B   L
R   L
R   W........3
R   W........1-------131

Wins 13
Loss 6


I do not play this way!!!  I just wanted to share an idea of how to create a non random idea from a betselection.  But to point out that this can work.  I applied sort of the same betting method priyanka used in the raymanz break down video.

Hi MoneyT101, thanks for sharing.

B W....3(green)
....
....
B L (red)
B W.....4

That 2 bets means that your limit is 3, 4 is to start a new cycle no matter W or L, am I correct ?

MONEY !!!!!  OMG! I just realised what this means LOL.... Youve literally created a whole different game! With Different ODDS lol... this is amazing. All i can say is you have to try it spin by spin to actually see it!!! If you try to understand any other way you simply wont get it.....

are you betting on "Spin Numbers"???

Quote from: Malvador on May 05, 10:17 PM 2017
are you betting on "Spin Numbers"???

No I do not bet on spins anymore... I bet on events.  Spins are to volatile and I hate losing . 

Don't get me wrong, you can bet on spins but I just avoid it at this point. 

So does that mean you constantly bet until it (the event) happens?

If you bet on event and win.. continue betting if you lose wait to see what's happening then start again

where is your non-random bet ?

What is the idea?

Quote from: plolp on May 06, 05:24 AM 2017
where is your non-random bet ?

What is the idea?

The point was to make a bet selection(follow the last hit EC) that can be hot one minute and cold the next minute....  into a non random EVENT.

I highlighted where my bets were by green and red

You've turned a random selection into a non random (limited) event! But you still have a mutual bet? The LLLL can be same or different... Ie.. The 4th "quad" can be one of two things. So it's still 50/50 right?

There is no "non-random" event at roulette.

Except this one: we know that the number will be either black or red or green .

Quote from: Malvador on May 06, 10:33 AM 2017
You've turned a random selection into a non random (limited) event! But you still have a mutual bet? The LLLL can be same or different... Ie.. The 4th "quad" can be one of two things. So it's still 50/50 right?

If a mutual bet, you can skip it.... 

Before it comes up you have 1 bet possibly 3 depending on whats happening.

On top of that, how many times in a row are you going to see it?

if you see it multiple times based on the information you should make more money, if its pointing to mutual bets coming up...You should be winning alot  :twisted:

why are you so worried about the mutual bet? 

Quote from: plolp on May 06, 11:08 AM 2017
There is no "non-random" event at roulette.

Except this one: we know that the number will be either black or red or green .

Thank you for the reminder, ill be sure to tell everyone to not bet on orange, yellow, purple, or blue  :thumbsup:

With all your wisdom.. Are you able to make money at roulette or any other game? Can you make a profit in your sessions? 

Thanks money for your response,  although I can see what you have done and how you have biased the game... I am still unable to see a betting application.. I've read through Raymanz example and can see that he is essentially filling in the gaps. Are you betting to create a cycle of a particular length maybe?

Quote from: Malvador on May 06, 11:53 AM 2017
Thanks money for your response,  although I can see what you have done and how you have biased the game... I am still unable to see a betting application.. I've read through Raymanz example and can see that he is essentially filling in the gaps. Are you betting to create a cycle of a particular length maybe?

Your heading towards the right path  :-X

Hehe... So exciting! Thanks for your help and guidance...

I understand a lot of the theory, but it's the way to practically apply it. That's the hard part!

Would you say that you have found a way to ALWAYS WIN more than you lose?

Quote from: Malvador on May 06, 12:28 PM 2017Would you say that you have found a way to ALWAYS WIN more than you lose?

Yes of course !!

Quote from: plolp on May 06, 12:44 PM 2017
Yes of course !!

Was that sarcastic?  ::)

Does overlapping cycles and tracking different cycles from different starting points create and bias or advantages? Esp in terms of cycle lengths?

Even better idea.... How about making a non random bet selection (ie the defining element) even more non random? By applying the same cycle transformation as Money did?

I haven't tried but I remember Priyanka made a comment on complicating things. 

Yeah true, but maybe Pri hasnt found it yet? She keeps saying that she doesn't have the HG... Maybe that's why she is still here? She also asks people that question alot too? Why are you here? Hang on a minute... Why is she here? Maybe she is looking for the improvement the extra bit of spice so to speak... Idk... Just thinking out loud...

I doubt she is here looking for improvement.... I'm sure her game is much better especially since she plays straight and EC.  I haven't been able to put the game together yet, I have an idea just comfortable where I'm at now to improve.  But once I'm better at this I'll try to improve to better things.

Priyanka only says she doesn't have t because people kept questioning and attacking.  Plus what she shared can help you only if you get to the next step with it.  With what was shared you can improve your game but you won't get anywhere without putting things together 😅

Only reason why I'm coming up with different ideas is because i put in a lot of hours trying to understand cycles and what the information really means and breaking thinks down to simplicity!  Then adding my own style and what I want out of it.

Once I automate what I created based on the what happens in roulette 100+ units in 30-50 spins will be a normal thing.  I'm not trying to brag but I say it because I highly recommend all of you to really try to understand all the information shared on non random.

Think and think and take it step by step and try to understand and come up with your own way or use what was shared.

Btw this is my last post on this subject, I've shared enough info and cleared somethings up.  Those that want to find it; WILL!

All the non believers, YOUR RIGHT! No way to beat this game and trying all this is a waste of time.

Take that to the bank 💰😎

That post.... Was just AWESOME!!!

dude your so awesome...

I completely agree!!!

:thumbsup: