Hi, Thanks God, Thank you all. Good morning.
I need help in testing this, also which progression to better for this.
I don't know what do we call it, I think some are saying it Pattern, matrix, random vs random etc
Here's my version :
2EOB1L3HR
We will bet against this sequence/pattern.
123 are dozens, we bet double dozens.
We use negative progression.
On each loss we double.
If after losing bet its double doz bet, then we divide the stakes into two.
Love and Light,
SugTips
What progression?
Thanks
Never mind. Got it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 08, 10:00 AM 2017
What progression?
Thanks
I mean right now am using this negative progression 1-2-4-16-32-64-128. Is there any other better progression will work, for example +1/-1, fib, flatbet or any other
Have you hit this sequence yet?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 08, 10:35 AM 2017
Have you hit this sequence yet?
After lot and lot of experiments and invested lot of time and money on it, I have came with this unique sequence. With different types of spins, rng, live, bmc and excel, I have not encountered this sequence yet. But yes many times 6 losses in a row I have faced.
Thanks
I just would be nervous playing a Marty like that
But good job I like betting against patterns
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 08, 11:07 AM 2017
I just would be nervous playing a Marty like that
But good job I like betting against patterns
Thanks Sir.
You can use this , bet 1 unit for 5 spins, if not in plus, bet 2 units for next 5 spins, if not then 4 and so on, once in plus reset to 1 unit.
Am sure you will be happy.
Just to confirm, you need to follow the sequence continuously, either win or lose you have to continue betting against that seq
Quote from: sugtips on May 08, 10:41 AM 2017
But yes many times 6 losses in a row I have faced.
playtech live spin .....8 losses
35
19
14 13 L
21 E L
8 O L
5 B L
9 23 L
32 L L
35 12 L
16 H L
32 R W
28
3
At 8 losses his method has not failed as it is 9 attempts
Martingale is too dangerous though
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 08, 05:41 PM 2017
At 8 losses his method has not failed as it is 9 attempts
Martingale is too dangerous though
Sir RG I am not sure of that data, I
request you to test by yourself. thanks.
Also Ignatus Sir, can you please also test it and give us StopLoss/BankRoll idea? thanks.
Quote from: sugtips on May 09, 02:20 AM 2017Also Ignatus Sir, can you please also test it and give us StopLoss/BankRoll idea? thanks.
I'm working on a new system, but there is a free trial, (or you can buy/use it, i recommend, it's the best roulette software ever!)
link:://:.uxsoftware.com/pages/index.html
Quote from: ignatus on May 09, 02:29 AM 2017
I'm working on a new system, but there is a free trial, (or you can buy/use it, i recommend, it's the best roulette software ever!)
link:://:.uxsoftware.com/pages/index.html
Of-course I have this software. And already tested the above system using it.
I need your assistance in finding out best stop-loss BR and right progression, which is your specialty.
Thanks a Lot.
Live and Light,
SugTips
Quote from: sugtips on May 09, 03:01 AM 2017I need your assistance in finding out best stop-loss BR and right progression, which is your specialty.
Hi sugtips :)
Moneymanagement is not my best side. :S... BUT they way i use to play IS
stoploss=wingoal*3 or wingoal*2
AND
Wingoal= stoploss/3 or stoploss/2
so, i suggest a +1/-1 progression
And to determine the BR/stoploss needed you have to see how great is the drawdown when you lost all steps with your trigger.
Quote from: ignatus on May 09, 04:02 AM 2017
Hi sugtips :)
Moneymanagement is not my best side. :S... BUT they way i use to play IS
stoploss=wingoal*3 or wingoal*2
AND
Wingoal= stoploss/3 or stoploss/2
so, i suggest a +1/-1 progression
And to determine the BR/stoploss needed you have to see how great is the drawdown when you lost all steps with your trigger.
Great - Thanks - That's what I needed.
Quote from: gorki on May 08, 05:22 PM 2017
playtech live spin .....8 losses
35
19
14 13 L
21 E L
8 O L
5 B L
9 23 L
32 L L
35 12 L
16 H L
32 R W
28
3
Quote from: sugtips on May 09, 02:20 AM 2017
Sir RG I am not sure of that data, I request you to test by yourself. thanks.
Gorki, I didn't mean that, I wanted to say, did this sequence at start of your session?
Pls tell us some more details, it will help us all.
Also please do more testing, at my side its working well, I have not encountered 8 losses in a row yet.
Thanks for your testing and support.
Has/is anyone played this or tested? Well I have in a limited way and the most losses I came across was 6 (winning on 7th) I did not fancy using Marty so did 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 and it works very well. Possibly +1/-1 could work. - on a loss/+ on a win
We are roughly betting on 50/50 shots so should not get into too much trouble as a losing chain is usually followed by a winning one.
I have been drawn to post this as there seems not to be anything worth while on the forum recently as regards new systems/ideas etc.
Bleep24
Quote from: bleep24 on Jul 22, 08:00 AM 2017
Has/is anyone played this or tested? Well I have in a limited way and the most losses I came across was 6 (winning on 7th) I did not fancy using Marty so did 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 and it works very well. Possibly +1/-1 could work. - on a loss/+ on a win
We are roughly betting on 50/50 shots so should not get into too much trouble as a losing chain is usually followed by a winning one.
I have been drawn to post this as there seems not to be anything worth while on the forum recently as regards new systems/ideas etc.
Bleep24
Brian,
Long time no see.
Are you still regularly playing NLE and NLE mk2?
Hi Doc,
Yes I am still around and despite being semi-retired from work it is amazing how many commitments appear. Long holidays abroad, visiting relatives you have not seen except for births, deaths and marriages etc. Looking after 3 grand-children (a lot) and `helping` family with jobs around their houses. I am busier now than I was when full-time working so who said retirement was when you could take things easier.
Anyway, yes I do still find a bit of time and do still play NLE (mainly mk 2) as I can watch TV at the same time (It is the only way that I have any time to watch TV. How do people have time to watch netflix, box sets plus programmes that they have recorded (my box can record 6 different programmes at the same time) there are only 24 hours in a day.
NLE is still holding up but I do look at others but they usually turn out to be dross.
So good luck to you, regards, Brian
Brian,
A couple of months ago I was at an airball machine and I was testing various systems (sometimes with actual bets and at other times with virtual bets).
I gave NLE mk2 (i.e. 3 of one EC becomes a 4) a try.
I was specifically testing it with O and E.
And of the 20 O/E opportunities (total for E and O) that came up during that mini-session, 18 of them remained at 3 -- that is, they did not become 4. I thought that was quite extreme -- but this is roulette, so nothing should surprise us (I guess).
I was virtual betting, so I did not lose any money.
Continuing with my previous post:
For those who believe in trends and anti-trends, when similar situations like the above happen, we can try to capitalize on it by betting for the chop to occur (i.e. when you get a 3 of an EC, just bet the opposite EC).
That would of course make it the anti-NLE mk2.
Hi Doctor,
I am amazed at that sequence of 18. I have certainly never seen that myself. I do not believe in RNG or air-ball but as you were not betting it is very puzzling. I only play Live. Usually it runs to chains of 2 3 4 or 5. Of course the whole point with NLE is to be playing all EC`s at same time so should you encounter a run of 18 O/E then you should be encountering 4`s of R/B and H/L to counter the O/E`s.
I have back checked 000`s of spins and never saw anything remotely like you described and hope that I never will.
Good luck,
Brian
Yes, it was somewhat bizarre to see that many O/E getting chopped off at the 3 stage.
It would go EEE or OOO and then get chopped off at that stage.
I know you like to track all 6 even chances simultaneously, but I do not feel comfortable tracking all of them at the same time or even betting 3 of them at the same time (like you frequently do).
I usually focus on one pair at a time -- R/B or O/E or H/L.
Regarding airball, I know some people say it is rigged (like RNG roulette or other slot games), but I trust it (at least so far). I just think that what happened that night was again an instance of wheel-based roulette being what it is -- a random game of chance !
Strange events or sequences happen without anyone (casino owners) maliciously making them happen.
Anyway, I hope you do well with NLE and NLE mk2 -- and do keep us updated periodically as to how you are doing.
Hi Doctor,
I now mainly play Mk 2 (3 becoming 4) as it is easier to track but less opportunities. Yes you do sometimes get all 3 EC`s to bet at same time and I do. You can go 20 or more spins without an opportunity sometimes and then a rush.
Good luck,
Brian
I have been playing RVR 0B! and seem to have been very lucky with it but for how long and I have been flying by the seat of my pants regarding staking.
Any body still playing this ?
So far so good.
Thanks
That's a no then lol :wink:
Hi, I am playing this RVR OB1 and doing ok. Longest was 7 losses (or it maybe was 6 and won on 7) so is a pretty good system. Not doing full Marty as that ----------. I play first opportunity (D1 and D3) continuously until lose then move onto next (O) then (E) then R etc. until won. As soon as I have won start at D! and D3 again. My progression depends on how far loss goes.
Brian
Hi Brian,
Thanks for your reply. I'm not playing like you Maybe I'm playing wrong ?? I'm playing 1/3 D first, win or loose I move along so next bet will be Odd then Even etc. i am playing with 11111 22222 44444 etc. progression till I am even or plus 1 or plus 1 on a loss - 1 on a win Dont know which is best really? Never gone above 6 losses so far
Lets see what happens :thumbsup:
Cheers
Dave.
Hi,
Thanks for the posting. I do not think that there is actually a right way or a wrong way. If it loses it was the wrong way!!!!! Yes, most losses that I have seen is 6 consecutively. I have played progs: 1 2 4 8 then stay on 8 until back ahead. Also 11111 22222 etc. and +1/-1 both up on a loss and down on a loss and have done ok, but it is still luck of the draw (spin) and sometimes one prog. works well and next time you use it it doesn`t. I only play `live` Have had my fingers burnt on RNG etc. in the past and from my experience is it ok for short and occasional sessions. `Live` is slower but safer in my opinion.
Good luck, regards, Brian
(I will be keeping on playing this one as it is better than a lot of other systems/methods)
Cheers Brian :thumbsup:
Hello Brian,
I played it yesterday and today with quite a success. What I can't handle at the moment is the following.
I start with D1 and D3. Which takes 2 unites until lose. Had 15 wins in a row with it... If I lose I will bet at Odd but just 1 unit? Then I'm at -. So I should play at least with 2 units to be equal, correct?
You mentioned now you played also 1,2,4 and 8 until in Plus. Example:
D1 and D3 - 1 Unit each if lost
Odd - 2 units if lost
Even - 4 units if lost
Red - 8 units if lost?
D2 and D3 - 8 units each, correct? If win?
Start again with D1 and D3 with 8 Units because I'm not in plus...
Is my assumption correct?
Thank you
Hex
Hello Hex,
Yes you are correct. Getting 15 wins in a row is not unusual. I have had 20 several times. With that progression you are not talking massive stakes and because we are on 50/50 or better chances it should come good. I have seen out of 9 lose 6 but I have also seen win all 9 opps. too If you are risk averse staking 11111 22222 etc. is better but you will win less. You pays ya money and takes ya choice as they say. Using 11111 etc. are you just counting net loss before increasing stake?
Good luck,
Brian
When you will get the sequence 2EOB1L3HR, then what?
This is Martingale in sheep's clothes. Why post such a system? It will lose in the long run..
Regards,
Alex
Hi Probasah,
True, but all systems/methods will lose in the long term. The question is: how long is the long term? Yes that sequence will come out sometime, but when. Will I be playing/betting when it does? Have I been playing/winning for 6 months before it does?
Some systems/methods are much/a lot/ better than others and this one I feel is a better one.
I take it from your post that you have a sooper-dooper winning system and I look forward to reading it.
It is far to easy to criticize and too many members rush in but they do not input any positive comments.
Someone famous said: Do not bring me problems, only solutions.
If the HG existed it would have been found by now so it has not so we have to use the next best thing.
Regards, Brian
Hello Brian,
you mean I should play with 11111, 22222 like this?
D1 and D3 with 1 unit - if lost - 2
ODD with 1 unit - if lost - 3
EVEN with 1 unit - if lost - 4
RED with 1 unit - if lost - 5 now is should increase to 2 units
D2 and D3 with 2 Unit each - if I lose stil go on with 2 until minus 10, correct? If I win I go back and start with D1 and D3 with 1 unit besides I'm minus 3??
The 11111 and 2222 is clear for me but if 2 dozen are involved I'm a little bit lost.
Thanks
Hex
Hi Hex,
Not quite. You are 90% right but when betting 2 units if you have not recovered stay on 2 and only go back to 1 unit when you have done so. You may have to go up to 3 units before you recover and once you have recovered only then you can return to 1 unit.
Good luck, Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 02, 02:31 AM 2017
Hi Probasah,
True, but all systems/methods will lose in the long term. The question is: how long is the long term? Yes that sequence will come out sometime, but when. Will I be playing/betting when it does? Have I been playing/winning for 6 months before it does?
Some systems/methods are much/a lot/ better than others and this one I feel is a better one.
I take it from your post that you have a sooper-dooper winning system and I look forward to reading it.
It is far to easy to criticize and too many members rush in but they do not input any positive comments.
Someone famous said: Do not bring me problems, only solutions.
If the HG existed it would have been found by now so it has not so we have to use the next best thing.
Regards, Brian
Hi bleep24
It was not my intent to upset you or anyone else. If it was the case, i apologize. Thing is I have been coding for more than 10 years now, with the most complicated patterns you can imagine. This can be a tedious task but i do it for fun, just like some people love playing chess. I exercise my mind.
I can tell you for sure that all patterns fail, especially if the bet selection is as rigid as this one.
You win 100 sessions of say, +1 (total =100+) and then the random kicks in and you get a session of -1000.
Its not a IF, its a when.
Sure there are ways to deal with this.
I think the way forward is :
-bet inside numbers only
-chase repeaters
-restrict the number of spins to a finite number ( e.g. lets take 200 spins. What is the minimum amount of EC showing up in 200 spins? How many repeaters should you get in 200 spins, blabla bla)
forget about the outside bets or the wheel layout you can make your own EC, dozens etc with any numbers
-use flat bet or a mild progression that DOES NOT recover all loses in one bet
-statistics analyzer to get the betting windows
- series vs singles ( series=singles, always)
- think in LW registry
That is a guesstimate only, do not take my word for it.
I can code this system for you, but the graph will look like the other 99.999% systems shared in the open forums.
Regards,
Alex
Hi all,
The conundrum is? How long is a piece of string? Answer: Twice as long as half its length. Easy peasy.
With systems/methods/even progressions there are usually no hard and fast rules and players have to adapt/play them to suit themselves so when I read something on here I try to work out what best suits me. BR/stakes/losses/win rate/ease of playing all have to be taken into account which is what I do (and why I discard many ideas - eventually)
Good luck all, Brian
Hi Probasah,
No, you certainly did not upset me. Good luck with all your testings. I agree with you that ideally
flat betting or mild progression and not recovering all losses in one go is best.
Unfortunately no matter how much you test and come up with reams of statistics (probabilities?) this is roulette so something will happen (or not) but when?
Let me know when you have perfected your ideas!!!!
Regards, Brian
(I like repeaters too)
Hi Hex,
Yes, the 2 dozens bets do complicate it a bit but I do not think that we need to worry too much about them as long as we are generally moving forward overall BR wise, so just put on them what you feel.
As with all systems/methods there are countless possibilities. Differential betting. Using a stop loss. All the different progressions available etc. etc.
Our great advantage with this system is overall we will win 50%+ of bets.
I have never used +!/-1 progression on this but I feel that it could work and will give it a try. (Possibly in reverse? -1 on a loss/+1 on a win) No idea.
Am I over egging the pudding.
Original posting of this system was using Marty (and claimed never lost and not going past 7 consec. losses) Lucky or what?!?!?!
Good luck, Brian
Question for Sugtips
How do you play this Like Bleep24 Stay on the same bet until a win or like me move along to the next bet win or loose.
Both seem to be working well
Cheers Dave :thumbsup:
I think you mean stay on same bet until lose. As usual with most systems there are several ways (tweaks) of playing them and do what works for you.
This is working for me. I am just working out which is best prog. to use and if 9 misses come how to handle it (stop playing/write it off etc) and what the stop loss needs to be. I think that I will have won quite a bit before a big loss.
I think the progression is the big ask.
I'm mainly -1 +1 and 11111 22222 I think they work about the same'ish??
I play till won 10 units then stop and wait repeat. :thumbsup:
Sounds good to me. Whatever floats your boat. Do this 500 times a day and you are onto a sure fire winner. :smile: :smile: :smile:
I'll need a few more hours in the day lol
Quote from: probasah on Aug 01, 07:00 PM 2017
When you will get the sequence 2EOB1L3HR, then what?
This is Martingale in sheep's clothes. Why post such a system? It will lose in the long run..
Regards,
Alex
Alex,
That is a terse but sensible post. Sometimes (in fact, I suspect quite frequently) a post like yours needs to be posted on the various threads of a roulette forum, like this one.
Many times systems die a death so I thought that I would post an update on this . I am finding it very good and it is rare to go beyond 5 losses. I am playing bet D1/D3 continuously until a loss then move along. This has the advantage of giving 2 wins out of 3. The downside is that you have bet 2 units but I do not worry about that too much as overall it is winning.
I agree with Sturrock on progression and I am mainly using 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 etc. though +1/-1 may also be viable. Yes, less winnings but I do not fancy using Marty as it would be 1 1 4 8 16 32 32 64 etc.
Good luck all, Brian
I have already brought this topic back to life once before. No one seems interested. Well that is their hard luck (To busy chasing possible HG`s elsewhere) Good luck with that. RVR OB1 (Star wars?) is a great system (No, I did not create it before you ask)
I commend members to have a look at it. It is working great for me and I think it well worthwhile members spending a bit of time on it rather than some of the other systems that have little chance.
Why am I saying that? Because the point of the forum is to assist members to play better/win. Often members cannot see what is before their eyes and half the time they spend bickering.
Get real and stop looking for the HG and use the next best.
Regards and good luck, Brian
Thanks for bringing this up. Looks interesting. The progression on page 1 can be worth a try, 1 unit on 6 spins, 2 on 6 spins and so on.
Bryan are you still playing against 2EOB1L3HR as in post 1?
If so what progression are you now using on a loss?
Thanks
i RG,
Yes I am still using that sequence and I am using 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3
It is amazing how well it works and how easy it is to play. No tracking/checking which is what I like. I keep the progression in my head (plus look at BR)
Good luck,
Brian
Thanks
I don’t want to ask too many questions.
But I’d just like to know how you use that progression? Up on a loss down on a win?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 27, 08:02 AM 2017
Thanks
I don’t want to ask too many questions.
But I’d just like to know how you use that progression? Up on a loss down on a win?
I’m still waiting for you in the other thread to congratulate me !!! Just kidding, but I hope you see that not every one is with bad intentions. Have a nice day.
Hi,
I bet 1 unit every time until 5 losses in total then move on to 2 units. It is a bit of a do what you feel kind of thing as sometimes you are betting on 2 dozens which skews the results but it comes out right in the end. So it may go like this. +1 +1 -1 -1 -2 (dozens) +1 +1 -1 move up to 2 +2 +2 -2 -2 +2 +2 If you move up and then down too early there are hardly any winnings.
Personally I do not wait until I am just 1 unit in front at any time. These are only small units so it is no great shakes. If I am on 2 or 3 units I do not always move down.
Good luck,
Brian .
(from my experience with this winning bets for outnumber losing ones. You can get 6 losses in a row but not too often)
Best system around ;D
Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 26, 05:51 AM 2017RVR OB1 (Star wars?) is a great system
Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 27, 07:53 AM 2017It is amazing how well it works and how easy it is to play. No tracking/checking which is what I like. I keep the progression in my head (plus look at BR)
Quote from: sturrock on Sep 27, 04:32 PM 2017Best system around
Quote from: hexfex82 on Aug 01, 04:40 PM 2017I played it yesterday and today with quite a success
Thanks God and Good Morning All,
Thank you Bleep24, Sturrock, Hexfex82 and others for testing my RVR OB1 system and more importantly believing this system.
Love, Light & Wisdom,
SugTips
HG
Quote from: Mister Eko on Feb 10, 05:54 PM 2022
HG
Thanks Mr. Eko for replying.
NO HG, read the thread again.
Regards,
Sugtips
Quote from: Mister Eko on Feb 10, 05:54 PM 2022
HG
I have tested at RX and it losed 3 times the 9 progressions.