Hello Roulette geeks,
i am seeking your advices on how to ideally progress a system which i invented and seems to work quite well...
below are the result of 100 spins from live-dealer roulette:
The system consists of betting on 22 numbers (straight up) with a starting stake of 1$ (total 22$ per round)
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as you can see the system is stable and wins quite well, however i am looking for the best way to progress through (a good progression).
one final note, the worst scenario that can ever happen is 7 consecutive loses (i have never seen more than 7!!)
i am working with the system since one month.
Please advice!
Thank you very much!
Hi,
Thanks God,
Good morning all,
I think best one is this:
On win increase one unit, on lose decrease one unit till you reach your session target.
Thanks
So on a win 36-22= 14 made and on a loss -22
You can definitely make something out of it but you need to know more stats
How many spins of 100 set have you tested?
Whats the average wins/loss?
Also compare spins of 1000 and of 10,000 to see how it holds up in the long term
Whats the worst win loss gap you faced back to back?
Example(Lost 7 then won 1 or 2 and loss another 7 won 1 or 2 and loss 7) This will help with recovery on progression choice to know your limit
Quote from: kingmaq on May 10, 05:16 PM 2017one final note, the worst scenario that can ever happen is 7 consecutive loses (i have never seen more than 7!!)
If you write down last 15 uniques, you will have 22 numbers that didn't appeared for 15 times.
I will suggest you, if I can, to read John Solitude's Roulette Wheel Frequency Analysis. It won't make you rich, but it surely help to understand what's going on.
Hi,
Thx for your reply... here is the result of another 100 spins
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what about waiting for a trigger ? say we wait for three loses in a row and start ?
as i said before i am working with this since 1 month (last week i made good winning), however the only problem i am facing is these sudden /sparse falls.
last but not least, you will never see more than 7 loses in one row, the selection of the numbers is based on some sort of data-distribution... (no random selection)
regards
Thx
Quote from: praline on May 11, 02:30 AM 201715 uniques
Your right but we do not know how he is picking his numbers....If its random then definitely look into this because at some point the system will hit a down curve. If its based on something better then get more spins and see whats possible and whats not
Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 11, 02:30 AM 2017
So on a win 36-22= 14 made and on a loss -22
You can definitely make something out of it but you need to know more stats
How many spins of 100 set have you tested?
Whats the average wins/loss?
Also compare spins of 1000 and of 10,000 to see how it holds up in the long term
Whats the worst win loss gap you faced back to back?
Example(Lost 7 then won 1 or 2 and loss another 7 won 1 or 2 and loss 7) This will help with recovery on progression choice to know your limit
read the opener and just started to look at the replies and this is a great reply.
What i'd like to know are the 22#'s random, are you dropping the last # making following whats trending.
Seen betting the remaining 22 of the starting 37, miss for 14 spins on RNG and your quote of 7, on airball is max 7
Quote from: kingmaq on May 11, 02:33 AM 2017last but not least, you will never see more than 7 loses in one row, the selection of the numbers is based on some sort of data-distribution... (no random selection)
there,a little part of the puzzle, and a bold statement never more than 7
Quote from: kingmaq on May 11, 02:33 AM 2017
last but not least, you will never see more than 7 loses in one row, the selection of the numbers is based on some sort of data-distribution... (no random selection)
Im not sure how you tracking but you might see more then 7.... I believe your results tho. Nice catch using the data
Just answer the questions in my first post for yourself. So you can see the limits and then make the betting scheme and/or progression
7 losses are easy to recover from based on your W/L
but 7 losses 1 win and 7 losses with progression is a a killerIve had 6-7 and 1 win and then another 5 with 1 win and 6-7 again .....in my case it doesnt matter because my MM can handle it and still profit while the losses are happening :thumbsup:
Hi guys,
First of all, no random selection is used here, and no RNG. I follow a determined number's selection.
I can affirm that I haven't seen yet more than 7 loses in one row.
I have mainly two problems, The casino where I play offers stakes of 1 , 5, 25, 100, 500 $ ( I find it very hard to place stakes 3, 6, 9, 11, 12 $ etc since I have to place 22 bets within 20 seconds !).
Second prob/ challenge is the progression, i avoid flat bet because it can last long time, I believe with such system you must play for a few sessions and leave( so a progression is needed ).
Regards
Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 11, 09:24 AM 2017
Im not sure how you tracking but you might see more then 7.... I believe your results tho. Nice catch using the data
Just answer the questions in my first post for yourself. So you can see the limits and then make the betting scheme and/or progression
7 losses are easy to recover from based on your W/L
but 7 losses 1 win and 7 losses with progression is a a killer
Ive had 6-7 and 1 win and then another 5 with 1 win and 6-7 again .....in my case it doesnt matter because my MM can handle it and still profit while the losses are happening :thumbsup:
Hi,
How can you recover from 7 loses in one row? Can you plz clarify ?
Mathematically I will hit the table limit (the casino has a max limit of 125$ on straight number )
Thx
Quote from: kingmaq on May 11, 02:33 AM 2017
Hi,
Thx for your reply... here is the result of another 100 spins
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what about waiting for a trigger ? say we wait for three loses in a row and start ?
as i said before i am working with this since 1 month (last week i made good winning), however the only problem i am facing is these sudden /sparse falls.
last but not least, you will never see more than 7 loses in one row, the selection of the numbers is based on some sort of data-distribution... (no random selection)
regards
Thx
Look at the LW above, use positive progression, rise one unit after W , after L1 down one unit, after L2 Stop and wait virtual W. After wl1wl1wl1 stop also not good for the progression the lwlwlw...., then wait for
ww or LL and bet again
All you are actually doing is reverse engineering this set
Which is fine for testing purposes
Then take that progression from reverse engineering and see if it works on other sets
I mean we reverse engineered the Roswell UFO according to astronaut Edgar Mitchell and look what that got us, fiber optics.
By the way I'm not joking
Google apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell and Roswell.
Kingmaq,
I agree with Kattila -- given your 7 losses in a row problem and your table limits, a +1 on a win / -1 on a loss quasi-positive progression would be more appropriate for your bet selection method. Martingale-type progressions are a killer here.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 11, 06:19 PM 2017
All you are actually doing is reverse engineering this set
Which is fine for testing purposes
Then take that progression from reverse engineering and see if it works on other sets
I mean we reverse engineered the Roswell UFO according to astronaut Edgar Mitchell and look what that got us, fiber optics.
RG,
It s not reverse engineered , i use that kind of progressions and LW strategys for many years now. And yes the author should test
this with other sets of LW maybe works on most. Anyway i find 22 numbers to many numbers to bet....
Well, this kind of progression +/-1 seems not to work ( if you want to bet on every spin)
Yesterday I tested it virtually, it performs bad especially when the L/W alternates.
I still believe the best way is to wait for a trigger ( two or three L) and then start.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on May 11, 06:38 PM 2017
Kingmaq,
I agree with Kattila -- given your 7 losses in a row problem and your table limits, a +1 on a win / -1 on a loss quasi-positive progression would be more appropriate for your bet selection method. Martingale-type progressions are a killer here.
I have a question, how far do you go with this progression ? In other words when you reset your sequence ? Once when you are ahead ? Or you scale up further ???
Quote from: kingmaq on May 12, 03:27 AM 2017
Well, this kind of progression +/-1 seems not to work ( if you want to bet on every spin)
Yesterday I tested it virtually, it performs bad especially when the L/W alternates.
I still believe the best way is to wait for a trigger ( two or three L) and then start.
Kingmaq,
Empirical evidence is the final arbiter in this context. So if, as per your records, the LWs are alternating quite frequently, then +1/-1 may not be the best option.
I am a big fan of hit-and-run playing, so I am a big advocate of triggers, in general. Do more testing and see if a trigger of 2-3 Ls improves the situation or not.
And, in terms of how long a progression you should employ, my philosophy is to stick with a short 2 steps (max) negative progressions.
There are a lot of individuals on this forum who will vehemently disagree with me on that last point -- they are comfortable with much longer negative progressions, so I am in the distinct minority regarding that.
I do not agree with those who said that there might be more than 7 Loses (L) in a row, here the evidence..
Results are from live-dealer roulette (approx 5000 spins):
I have 3 combi of numbers ( the selection of the combination before bet is based on some certain conditions )
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How to interpret the data?
easy, the sequence_length means for how many consecutive spins (in a row) none number of the combi didnt show up and the count means how many times that happend in the sampling data.
Maximum was 5 consecutie times, all numbers of the first combi slept for 5 consecutive spins.
I need you to find a way to test the theory I mentioned tho because that the real killer
5 to 7 losses
Followed by 1 to 3 wins
Followed by 5 to 7 losses
Followed by 1-3 wins
Followed by 5 to 7 losses
If it's not more then 7 and your positive then you can do definitely come up with a good progression.. when I have some time I will think of some
But so far the +1 on a loss seem to be safe
You can also do 4 losses and then the light martingale like someone recommended
I agree, waiting for a serie of L (it depends on the bankrol but recommended is at least 3) and then start betting seeems the best way...
Obviously the time is a point, another point is the wasting of opportunities to make money by exploiting the frequent W streaks.
or do you have another way to handle this better?
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Maybe instead of betting straights, the groups will be better and easier to handle the losses and come up with a betting plan
111x14= 1554
72x 22 = 1584
Down 30... that's over 2 wins
Try going up 1 on a win for two consecutives then reset
On a lose after 4 go up 2 on each loss until a win
Test that
Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 13, 02:11 PM 2017On a lose after 4 go up 2 on each loss until a win
I will test your progression virtually and get back, however don't you think that the Fibonacci progression (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144)
might be here successful? 144 is the max as the table limit is 150 on straight number.
maybe one can smartly use the Fibonacci as a positive progression (on a lose you go left and on a win you scale up but not too far!! )
Test both against a 3 sets
Here is a simulation (using a positive fashioned fibonacci progression), despite the Ups and Downs the end result is promising, i set a reset counter (+50 $).
once i am up +50 $ i start over again... it was at some points challenging, maybe reducing the reset counter to +20 or +30 makes the progression less challenging -;)
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Profit 14 14 28 42 70 112 182 294 476 770 1246 2016
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From experiance, take the earliest profit, if it means taking many so be it, you should avoid going on long steps
i dont like the numbers fluctuating so much
Quote from: praline on May 11, 02:30 AM 2017I will suggest you, if I can, to read John Solitude's Roulette Wheel Frequency Analysis. It won't make you rich, but it surely help to understand what's going on.
That is one amazing book! I read both of them. Very interesting stuff....
Simon.
if you are sure that you will always get more wins than loses so simple follow wins
I would try to press one unit up for every 4 wins in a row. When loss happens go back to one unit, for instance profit is $14 per $22 bet , 4x14=56-44 if lost you would still have 12 profit left over, however if you win again its another $28 instead of $14.