I keep repeating "you need to increase accuracy of predictions". Why is mostly explained at :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
You should know AP works, but most people arent suited to it. So let's look at other ways.
Anyway here are some ideas you may want to consider. Whether or not they work, at least they are different. Everyone needs to be trying new things:
1. Fractals2. Fibonacci SpiralsSome good information here:
link:s://:.gamblersforum.com/index.php?threads/electronic-roulette-theories.7750/page-2
3. Waves Within WavesSee link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/waves.pdf
(not in the same way as the law of a third)
4. PrecognitionSee link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18276.0 (I haven't had time to organize and do more group trials). There are quite conclusive trials that indicate the approach is valid, and it can be enhanced with equipment.
5. Curve ExtrapolationThis is more of a longshot, but maybe you could find a mathematical formula to predict a temporary bias of Red/Black (just for the next 20 or so spins), like with the Fibonacci spiral. I've seen such models work for other things, so maybe it could apply for casino games. This goes against what I've previously said about sequences, but the sequences viable for computers to check are much shorter than 20 spins, because such large sequences need trillions of spins. Probably even more.
Overall I believe precognition and related approaches have the best chance. I've said it before: I believe precognition and related phenomena will be the next advantage play. I believe it has more potential than any other method. However, it would realistically take more discipline and the right mindset, which most players don't have.
Given your "mathematically-oriented" list above, then why leave out VDW and other similar Arithmetic Progression-based methods?
Please give a brief explanation about the working principles of the methods you mentioned. ie how are they supposed to increase the accuracy of predictions?
I have an idea to use fractals. I think at the very least it will slightly increase accuracy of predictions - even for RNG. I did find a way to slightly increase accuracy with fractals before but the increase was far too small to make a difference. Maybe it was at least a good starting point. The new idea might have better results. And if it doesnt, at least it was something new to try.
Existing fractal software wont do what is needed for the test, as far as I'm aware.
We'll still do the precognition trials but that requires me to be at the server. I could use macros to automate the process but that has its own issues.
Anyway before I hire a programmer to test my idea, are there any competent programmers here?
what is a fractal...if you could explain
They are repetitive patterns found everywhere in nature. See the video for example. Also google golden spiral in nature
ok thanks.. :thumbsup:
so Steve you say that if i give you four fixed points on the plane you will outguess with better probability what direction you got to travel from you randomly chosen point inside the 4 fixed points of the plane...(four points is because you got say 3 dozens and zero)... :question:
Quote from: Steve on Jul 13, 10:30 PM 2017
They are repetitive patterns found everywhere in nature.
The strategies are governed by nature.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16652.msg157683#msg157683
Steve would struggle to find a root in a brothel.
Quote from: maestro on Jul 14, 03:52 AM 2017
so Steve you say that if i give you four fixed points on the plane you will outguess with better probability what direction you got to travel from you randomly chosen point inside the 4 fixed points of the plane...(four points is because you got say 3 dozens and zero)... :question:
No its much more complicated. I'll explain another time. I need to do more testing before i explain it.
Quote from: Taotie on Jul 14, 05:50 AM 2017
Steve would struggle to find a root in a brothel.
I wouldn't put my tackle anywhere near a prostitute. But I don't agree with you. I don't think I'd struggle.
Tackle?
That's not tackle, it's a hand line.. :twisted:
Sorry, I'll stop being a dick now. I can't promise forever, but for a while.
(link:://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZogrNEQFyCQ/UYEc-5zWt8I/AAAAAAAAD5s/oknOAAE3Ev8/s1600/6.JPG)
I do have an idea to pursue.
How about giving the game over to luck?
I'll spare you all the mathematics that supports this statement, but the harsh reality for system players, and you can throw in "method" players as well, is that every time you win it's due to luck.
So why not create a bet selection that holds itself together or loses at an except able rate when luck is absent, yet creates growth when luck is present?
Then include a MM that supports the bet selection in it's efforts, rather than try to brute force a win.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 14, 06:46 AM 2017
(link:://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZogrNEQFyCQ/UYEc-5zWt8I/AAAAAAAAD5s/oknOAAE3Ev8/s1600/6.JPG)
Steve, as you know I'm always lurking in the background on these forums, and yes your tackle looks very good.
So can you see the log behind it?
O0
wonder where is freaking fish..
QuoteSo can you see the log behind it?
I see two, close together, swordfighter.
Quote from: Taotie on Jul 14, 06:48 AM 2017
I do have an idea to pursue.
How about giving the game over to luck?
I'll spare you all the mathematics that supports this statement, but the harsh reality for system players, and you can throw in "method" players as well, is that every time you win it's due to luck.
So why not create a bet selection that holds itself together or loses at an except able rate when luck is absent, yet creates growth when luck is present?
Then include a MM that supports the bet selection in it's efforts, rather than try to brute force a win.
Yes its luck if the system doesnt work. The MM you described is bet amounts propotionate to your bankroll. When winning, play larger bets with the casinos money. When losing, decrease bets.
Quoteyes your tackle looks very good.
Even more alarming.
Now i understand the meaning behind that parcel you sent me.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 14, 07:39 AM 2017
When winning, play larger bets with the casinos money. When losing, decrease bets.
That's good in principal, but it really doesn't work because you can never know when the worm will turn.
MM needs to let luck take over, also.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 14, 07:46 AM 2017
Even more alarming.
Now i understand the meaning behind that parcel you sent me.
You were supposed to eat it, not stick it up your butt.
Bit late now.. still worked though
QuoteThat's good in principal, but it really doesn't work because you can never know when the worm will turn.
It at least allows the player to stay at the table longer. Yes it does nothing for long term winnings. Only increasing accuracy of predictions does that.
Increasing accuracy of predictions is a luxury that most if not all can't perform.
I can predict EC's at 55% or a little better. It is not enough.
Must find another way, as I have done.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 14, 07:51 AM 2017
Bit late now.. still worked though
Nice, I mean ouch, I mean nice.
...I don't now what I mean anymore.
Quote from: maestro on Jul 14, 07:28 AM 2017
wonder where is freaking fish..
Quote from: Steve on Jul 14, 06:46 AM 2017
(link:://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZogrNEQFyCQ/UYEc-5zWt8I/AAAAAAAAD5s/oknOAAE3Ev8/s1600/6.JPG)
Right there, in the water.
Hahaha!
Quote from: Taotie on Jul 14, 08:07 AM 2017
I can predict EC's at 55% or a little better. It is not enough.
Taotie (Bombus / Skakus / Green Guy),
Can you somehow transfer this 55% EC prediction rate over to baccarat (that is, in terms of banker vs player)?
In roulette, a 55% accuracy rate may not be enough to surmount the effects of the zeroes.
However, if you can do that in baccarat, you are very much in or near HG territory.
Oh, another thing:
Once you accomplish the above, make sure that you publicize it on betselection.cc -- even alrelax would want to become your best friend and most devoted disciple ! :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jul 14, 11:42 AM 2017
Taotie (Bombus / Skakus / Green Guy),
Can you somehow transfer this 55% EC prediction rate over to baccarat (that is, in terms of banker vs player)?
In roulette, a 55% accuracy rate may not be enough to surmount the effects of the zeroes.
However, if you can do that in baccarat, you are very much in or near HG territory.
How do you mean 55% accuracy "may not be enough"? If you play European wheel, then you have 2.3% player's edge, which converts to let's say 2 units in 100 spins. 1000 spins a day simply flat betting would bring you 20 units. If it's a mechanical bet selection, create a bot and play on 5 different casinos at the same time. 100 units a day is an enourmous profit.
Quote from: boshkodj on Jul 14, 01:23 PM 2017
How do you mean 55% accuracy "may not be enough"?
I am in the US (land of double zero roulette), so I face a 5.26% (or thereabouts) house edge. And a 55% accuracy rate on the ECs may not be enough to make this a consistently winning bet (CWB) for me (and others who are here). I wrote my previous reply (that you quoted) from my US double zero-based perspective.
An addition to my previous post.
Ã,,ctually, it was Taotie who made the comment in Reply # 24, that "ït may not be enough."
"It" refers to his 55% accuracy rate for the ECs.
He is -- I think -- based in Australia where they have single zero wheels.
So it would be better if you ask him the question that you asked me.
If you can gain consistently 5 units per 1000 hands in bacs, you have a very good system, the profit potential is enormous.
Look for 5units per 1000hands/spins, that's all you ever need - consistent with low drawdown.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jul 14, 11:42 AM 2017
Taotie (Bombus / Skakus / Green Guy),
Can you somehow transfer this 55% EC prediction rate over to baccarat (that is, in terms of banker vs player)?
In roulette, a 55% accuracy rate may not be enough to surmount the effects of the zeroes.
However, if you can do that in baccarat, you are very much in or near HG territory.
You can but baccarat is very limiting with only 1 set of results. Roulette gives you 3 sets to play with.
A 55% strike rate overall, still exposes the player to lengthy losses, that's why I don't think it's enough.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jul 14, 11:42 AM 2017
Taotie (Bombus / Skakus / Green Guy),
You forgot
trilobite on roulette30 forum, and newly registered
Marshall Bing Bell on rouletteforum.net
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Taotie on Jul 14, 10:08 PM 2017
A 55% strike rate overall, still exposes the player to lengthy losses, that's why I don't think it's enough.
So maybe you are just
thinking that you have a 55% strike rate. :question:
Has anyone attempted to investigate any of these other ideas?
Question, If you guys sat down to a roulette table and play'd what ever strategy.. and won, lets say 2 sessions. How many of you would keep on playing? and if yes why?
I come up with an idea or an experimental ritual on what does it really take to "think outside the box".
First I shall define what it really means to me.
Basically it implies that you need to reach something beyond what you consider yourself.
It involves an expanded state of awereness that goes beyond your current ideas and definition or self-identifications.
From your current state of ego mind you will need to rise beyond itself or see through the mirrors.
It involves an ego death or something akin to a near death experience.
Obviously I will not recommend anything to impose danger on yourself, but I come up with an idea on how to achieve something similar experience in your dreams.
Let me know if you are interested, so I will share the experimental ritual.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Mar 18, 06:27 PM 2020
I come up with an idea or an experimental ritual on what does it really take to "think outside the box".
First I shall define what it really means to me.
Basically it implies that you need to reach something beyond what you consider yourself.
It involves an expanded state of awereness that goes beyond your current ideas and definition or self-identifications.
From your current state of ego mind you will need to rise beyond itself or see through the mirrors.
It involves an ego death or something akin to a near death experience.
Obviously I will not recommend anything to impose danger on yourself, but I come up with an idea on how to achieve something similar experience in your dreams.
Let me know if you are interested, so I will share the experimental ritual.
Have you experienced or have you ever done a psychedelic substance? They can be extremely effective tools for accomplishing what you are describing here. In fact, I would say there is nothing more effective.
I did, and I prefer not to use them any longer.
Quote from: winforus on Mar 19, 10:18 AM 2020
Have you experienced or have you ever done a psychedelic substance? They can be extremely effective tools for accomplishing what you are describing here. In fact, I would say there is nothing more effective.
(link:s://:.drugs.com/otc/128551/46177347%20Gas-X%20Ultra%20Strength%20Softgels%2050%20count%20carton.jpg)
How about Gas Ex?
Don't knock psychedelics. They'll humble anyone.
Quote from: The General on Mar 20, 11:54 PM 2020
(link:s://:.drugs.com/otc/128551/46177347%20Gas-X%20Ultra%20Strength%20Softgels%2050%20count%20carton.jpg)
How about Gas Ex?
Thanks, just bought some branded simethicon.
I have terrible gas spasm related pain for the last few days.
Hope it will help me out.
The article on roulette physics is worth reading multiple times. I spent a lot of enjoyable hours proving it for myself.
If you read all of my articles, you will find my simplified way of saying the same thing. "If there's a spin result that can cause you to lose, eventually it will hit enough times close enough together to cause you to lose."
Flatino, Ivica Boban, RIP my friend, thought he had found a winning system. He played at casinos all around the world winning over $200,000 dollars in a little over a year. He had the Holy Grail. Or did he? He finally hit a losing streak that was taking it all back. Fortunately he had enough savvy to stop short of going broke. It's okay to play a system that you like, but never risk money you can't afford to lose!! Have fun in both testing and playing...
Hell GLC really nice to see you around you’ve been gone a long time..Hope your ok in this crazy situation the world is in
Where have you been I miss all your MM ideas
I've been great. Got really busy for a while and didn't have time to play around with roulette. Actually found out that I liked using betting schemes playing blackjack more than roulette. When I was a young lad I learned to play an advanced blackjack counting method. Did okay until the 6 deck shoes showed up. Got to be too much of a grind. Wasn't fun anymore.
I'm not really a gambler, just like messing around with games like roulette.
I've enjoyed interacting with some really smart guys, like yourself. Fact, not flattery.
Anyway, I thought I'd check back in since I'm forced into social distancing. Helps pass the time and keep me from total boredom.
I'm not going to go back and review the posts I've missed. I'm assuming they're just combinations of the same stuff.
I'm not saying this forum is a waste of time. It can be quite entertaining.
Of course we all know that Steve is right. We just like quibbling with him. Okay, I said it. The cats out of the bag.
Speaking of Cats, is TwoCatSam still around. He was always fun to interact with.
I see that Atlantis is still keeping the newbies appraised of the scam artists trying to sell systems that aren't even as good as many you can find on this forum for nothing.
6th Sense. Sounds like advantage play to me.
Good to hear from you.
Welcome back!
:thumbsup:
In 2011 I posted a review of a Roulette book written by Brett Morton.
You can find my post by searching for Roulette Book Review.
It was appreciated by quite a few members.
It's written for brick and mortar casinos only.
I think it's a good read for all the new members who haven't read it yet.
If nothing else, it has some very good info on money management and emphasizes self discipline.
I got many PM's from players who said their understanding of playing roulette in live casinos was worth the read.
If someone knows how to post a direct link to that topic, I'd be much obliged if you'd post it for me.
I have an idea I think is worth pursuing.
In 2011 I posted a review of a Roulette book written by Brett Morton.
You can find my post by searching for Roulette Book Review.
It was appreciated by quite a few members.
It's written for brick and mortar casinos only.
I think it's a good read for all the new members who haven't read it yet.
If nothing else, it has some very good info on money management and emphasizes self discipline.
I got many PM's from players who said their understanding of playing roulette in live casinos was worth the read.
If someone knows how to post a direct link to that topic, I'd be much obliged if you'd post it for me.
I think your penthouse system can be upgraded.You need to think about moving vertically to keep your stakes low.I mean a parachute.You need to find an optimal long line for each level.when we move inward on the parachute.in case of a hit use a reverse parachute (multiple numbers) and raise the stakes.I think this is the way to go.A little help from math guys would help.
Dr Talos system based (another forum) i think this.I haven't been able to solve it yet.That's not the goal, I'm looking for my own way.Thank you for all your help.When glc left the forum he said:In 5 years time nobody will remember me.He was wrong in that.
Quote from: GLC on Mar 22, 11:47 PM 2020
I have an idea I think is worth pursuing.
In 2011 I posted a review of a Roulette book written by Brett Morton.
You can find my post by searching for Roulette Book Review.
It was appreciated by quite a few members.
It's written for brick and mortar casinos only.
I think it's a good read for all the new members who haven't read it yet.
If nothing else, it has some very good info on money management and emphasizes self discipline.
I got many PM's from players who said their understanding of playing roulette in live casinos was worth the read.
If someone knows how to post a direct link to that topic, I'd be much obliged if you'd post it for me.
GLC,
While I was looking for more information on the book Roulette: Playing to Win by Brett Morton and I came across your excellent post.
Here is the link: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3760.0 (link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3760.0)
Back to forum after a long and good to see some.of the old fellow players here...stay safe everyone...
Quote from: Steve on Jul 12, 10:32 PM 20175. Curve Extrapolation
This is more of a longshot, but maybe you could find a mathematical formula to predict a temporary bias of Red/Black (just for the next 20 or so spins), like with the Fibonacci spiral. I've seen such models work for other things, so maybe it could apply for casino games. This goes against what I've previously said about sequences, but the sequences viable for computers to check are much shorter than 20 spins, because such large sequences need trillions of spins. Probably even more.
Steve: But, Fibonacci numbers appear in nature often enough to prove that they reflect some naturally occurring patterns.
Why would this be considered different from everyone else's concept of the law of third?
Is this not the same as saying the law of third is a naturally occurring pattern in roulette too.
Sorry, I might have missed something, maybe you will point out what I have missed?
I dont mean Fibonacci progression. That won't ever work. I mean correlating long term sequences, ie golden spiral. It will be clearer in video.
Here is an idea to pursue:
Find an amount given to you from any number of wins in a row you choose from.
For example, three wins on the same dozen. 1-3-9. This turns 1$ into $27.
Find the profit (26$) and divide 1 by the profit, then add 1. This equals 1.038461538461.
So, by multiplying your last bet by this amount, it means your bet raises very slowly and guarantees you will always win this amount. Round up if need be, playing online with 10c intervals is most effective.
If you win two of them in a row but lose the third, times the first bet in that sequence by the 1.038461538461 and that will give you your next bet amount.
This is a fixed return strategy. You can do it with any type you want.
If you tried it with 3 red wins in a row, well, 1$ would turn into 8, with a profit of $7. So, 1÷7 +1 = 1.142857142857.
So your first bet would be 1$, your next would be rounded to $1.2 and so on.
Just an idea
That won't work because you aren't even considering where the ball lands
No previous bet affects the next. If you flip a coin on heads 20 tines, the chances are still the same.
I learned that a while ago.
HI Steve, is this called cheating ? or its network error? whats your view on this.As per your site, Evolution is authentic and honest casino.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=RZbHwc0ehro
What time in the video are you referring to?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 08:14 AM 2020
What time in the video are you referring to?
I think he is looking at the last 2 bets that got rejected. My feeling is table limit is 10.00 whatever his currency is, however, he has bet more than 10.00 both times his bet got rejected.
It got nothing to do with table limits. I am playing on Evolution platform too at Pokerstars Casino. It happens from time to time. Usually it takes about 24 hours to solve the issue. Just to send an email to them and it should be ok!
The software interface would automatically cap bet amounts. Yes network issues are common. I dont think there's anything suspicious about it.
. Maybe it was at least a good starting point. The new idea might have better results. And if it doesnt, at least it was something new to try.
Roulette is more of a game that depends on probability and pure luck, of course there are strategies, but they rarely work