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Title: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 16, 08:31 PM 2017
I was looking on the web to sell my HG system so i have managed to find a forum where you can actually sell it.

My price for the HG is 5000 euro's.  And it's not semi HG, it's HG HG, so it always wins. I am only going to sell it to 5 individuals.

The HG will include everything you need. Bankroll needed, illustrations of sample plays, once you understand it you can go through as many other scorecards (permanenzen) to see that it's HG and that it never loses.

It contains a 4 progression levels, but after discovering and researching it, i have never ever reached the end of the 3rd progression level plus it has been tested overmore than 20000+ spins with real play and the cards (permanenzen of Wiesbaden, Aachen and Duisburg).  I have never seen 3 back to back losses yet!

If you play with 1 euro unit you will win 50 euro's per hour but the unit value is up to you. If you up it to 10 euro you can get 500 euro's per hour.

The system does require a little bit of patience and time, and you can't play every single trigger. I will also offer support and if you need any help/questions i will be there to answer and explain more if needed.

Check attachments after winnings online.

If you are seriously interested contact me or leave a post. (new to this forum so i don't know the rules too well)
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Steve on Jul 16, 11:07 PM 2017
Just about every system is capable of the wins in your screenshots. Calling any system a "holy grail" without absolute solid proof is just going to annoy people. Every now and then there's someone claiming to have the HG.

If you could provide real proof, I'd be interested. So would others.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: maestro on Jul 17, 12:35 AM 2017
QuoteCheck attachments after winnings online.
...

yeah and we are fucking idiots so some HG monk can come  and sell his crappppp ...
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 02:53 AM 2017
What kind of proof do i need to post ?

I know why most people respond like this, i've used to be one of them like omg an another scammer or someone with a crappy system putting up crap again. I'm just posting it here to see if anyone would be seriously interested, if not then that's fine.

i am not desperate into selling it to be honest.

I have not been playing for superlong time..i think around 3 years ? I do not claim i have 15-30 years experience. But i have played a lot and intensely esp the last year online and B+M. I've tried a lot and learned the most by reading and hanging out on an another famous roulette forum. It's there where i have gotten the inspiration into finding my HG.

No one is obliged to believe what i am saying, but please have some respect before accusing me of this or that thanks.



Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 02:59 AM 2017
People will say ah it's old news bla d bla

but besides AP, Roulette Computers, VB and RSSYS

the only way to beat the roulette wheel is the law of the thirds. That's the big weakness in it's design.

And that's what this HG is about.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: cht on Jul 17, 03:02 AM 2017
Hi junscissorhands

There're 2 parts to your post -

1. You call it HG, and

2. You're selling it.

For part 1. you need to provide irrefutable proof. Screenshots just won't be enough. Even a video over your account won't do, sadly. Because HG means a lot of things many times more.

So,  hard question for you - the vendor plus everyone else in this community, how is anyone able to provide the required proof of authenticity yet at the same time provide protection to the vendor not to reveal his secret sauce ?

We need more then hurl harsh accusations. Tell the community exactly in practical terms what's that minimum standard of proof. This helps any vendor who comes on this board what that minimum standard is and if they are able to fulfil that basic requirement then they start open a thread like this without the usual accusation of scam. If they are not able to meet minimum requirements, the vendor can put forward their reasons why not and a useful probing discussion can proceed.

2. Sell - when you as a vendor sells your winnable system, you need to provide concrete reason why you wish to part with your system for money - It makes no sense because it's contradictory in itself.

The model used by Steve for others to trade his system for a part of their profits is one you might want to consider. However, it might not be suitable if your system can be easily re-engineered.

Hope this helps you, vendors, et al.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 03:16 AM 2017
Very good point CHT.

I think it's all about good old blind trust.

Because i can only give hints without giving my HG away.

I do not necessarily want to part with it, i was thinking of sellling it to either one or five individuals. But i will re-consider it.

I myself live in the netherlands (europe). I think if i sell it to someone overseas and that person agrees not re-sell it or tell anyone then i am fine with it. My first thought was to sell it for a much higher price like 10.000 but then i know no one would want to spend that much on it and 5000 ain't cheap anyway. It's a good boost to my bankroll as i still play with 1 till 5 euro units. And as i sell that other person will be testing the system with me for the rest of his/her life and maybe even improve where it's possible (maybe quicker or the tweaks).

The HG itself is a grind and very boring to play and it nets def. 25-50 units in about 120-180 spins.

Live wheels only, i play mostly the speed roulette or auto live roulette. The spin time for speed is 25 seconds per spin and auto live is around 40-45 seconds.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: cht on Jul 17, 03:33 AM 2017
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 03:16 AM 2017
Very good point CHT.

I think it's all about good old blind trust.

Because i can only give hints without giving my HG away.

I do not necessarily want to part with it, i was thinking of sellling it to either one or five individuals. But i will re-consider it.

I myself live in the netherlands (europe). I think if i sell it to someone overseas and that person agrees not re-sell it or tell anyone then i am fine with it. My first thought was to sell it for a much higher price like 10.000 but then i know no one would want to spend that much on it and 5000 ain't cheap anyway. It's a good boost to my bankroll as i still play with 1 till 5 euro units. And as i sell that other person will be testing the system with me for the rest of his/her life and maybe even improve where it's possible (maybe quicker or the tweaks).

1. "The purchaser not to tell someone else or resell it." How do you enforce that ?

The HG itself is a grind and very boring to play and it nets def. 25-50 units in about 120-180 spins.

2. If "25-50 units in about 120-180spins" assuming your drawdown is low,
then it's no more a grind nor boring. Problem is, is it true itlr ?

This is where the problem starts, you need to think about how to provide irrefutable proof and onus is on you.

Live wheels only, i play mostly the speed roulette or auto live roulette. The spin time for speed is 25 seconds per spin and auto live is around 40-45 seconds.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: maestro on Jul 17, 03:36 AM 2017
QuoteI have not been playing for superlong time..i think around 3

how much did so called Hshitt made you ..copy all bank transactions for 3 years period and show us...


Quotesome respect

and this one you got to earn it
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 03:41 AM 2017
What do you mean if it's true ?

The amounts of units can vary, sometimes a session will have many wins and sometimes you have to wait but the end results remain the same, you never lose a session. There is no stop/loss it's all up to you. This HG is not going to make you a millioinaire overnight, unless you play with a super high value unit and huge bankroll ratio. But you could easily do this on a fulltime basis. I've just quit my job two days ago.


I don't think that the other person would re-sell it after purchasing it for this price and actually seeing it's an HG.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 03:50 AM 2017

I've only found out about the HG about 2.5 - 3 months ago.
Before that i was playing systems what would win and eventually lose.


Maestro, even if you pay 50.000 i would even't sell it to you. I don't have to do anything.

Treat people like how they would treat you, kind and with respect.


Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: cht on Jul 17, 03:56 AM 2017
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 03:41 AM 2017
What do you mean if it's true ?

It means -  I, including everyone else, don't know if your claim is true or not.
We are sceptical and rightly so, you need to convince us with irrefutable proof. Are you able to do that and are you willing to provide the proof ?

The amounts of units can vary, sometimes a session will have many wins and sometimes you have to wait but the end results remain the same, you never lose a session. There is no stop/loss it's all up to you. This HG is not going to make you a millioinaire overnight, unless you play with a super high value unit and huge bankroll ratio. But you could easily do this on a fulltime basis. I've just quit my job two days ago.

1. No stoploss is bad news -
real bad. Because variance, the monster in the room, kick everyone of our ar#£ everytime.

2. The value of your win, assume 25-50units, is measured against your stoploss. This will contribute towards the overall risk adjusted reward assessment.

3. You have not yet used your system on a full time basis.

I don't think that the other person would re-sell it after purchasing it for this price and actually seeing it's an HG.

I'm merely reading your post,
tell you what I think.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 04:05 AM 2017


That's why it's the HG, it feeds of variance. Variance is needed to make this work.
The layout of the wheel and the Law of the thirds is it's weakness.

You dont have to be afraid of the flow of the roulette, because it always wins. the system pauses itself when there is a negative flow because the trigger itself recogizes it and is unplayable. When it becomes playable again thus winning it goes into the positive flow.

I can pick any casino card and my hg beats it. no matter how many spins.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: maestro on Jul 17, 04:14 AM 2017
[quoteMaestro, even if you pay 50.000 i would even't sell it to you.][/quote]


could not care less..

but why do i have to respect you..what for ...just another shmuck being sooo clever and sells his crapp to the flock of sheeps
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: maestro on Jul 17, 04:17 AM 2017
Quoteit feeds of variance


so that means your holy shmoly is loser since all tends to hit mean in long run,in long run your holy shmoly goes to drain
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: cht on Jul 17, 04:18 AM 2017
I suggest you post a video of your recent session play. At the very least, potential customers and members of this board understand how you do it.

Remember this - claims without proof remains as claims.

When unsubstantiated claims mix with sell, you get scam accusations.

To avoid that, you need to provide proof.

All the best to you. Peace.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 04:19 AM 2017
Will you act a bit more normal and nice if i didn't sell it ?

Why am i schmuck if i want to sell it ?

If no one is interested, it's fine.

But trust me, the HG does exists. Me among others on an another forum have found it (drtalos, jerome, jake etc)  (different HG's)

So keep searching and you'll get there.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 04:23 AM 2017
I seriously do not get Meastro and his posts. Trolling perhaps ?

An HG defies everything. Terms like Variance, Long Term, Long Run, House Edge are no longer important.


CHT, i'm sorry once i post a video during play the method will be visible there is no way around it. Especially among you roulette
veterans :) plus the information i already been given in previous posts.

But anyway sorry for bothering you guys, my intention was never to scam just genuinely selling what i have to someone.

Good luck guys and never give up !
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jul 17, 04:25 AM 2017
junscissorhands,

Below are 37 spins from a single 0 table with a live dealer from my local casino taken just a few days ago. The "--" represents a new dealer.

Using these spins, is there anyway you can share some of your method to show how it uses Variance and Law of the Thirds to help the player ?
Thanks

12 (oldest)
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31
9
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2   (newest)
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 04:31 AM 2017
stringbeanpc, i won't spill the beans, but i will go through it now and give u some hints. one second.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 04:35 AM 2017
I would have won around +-30 units playing your sequence. Every unit being one euro.

Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 04:36 AM 2017
dealer change doesn't affect anything, it has nothing to do with dealer's signature/sector tracking /kimo li style global pie method.

Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jul 17, 05:01 AM 2017
Any hints are appreciated !
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: maestro on Jul 17, 05:24 AM 2017
QuoteI seriously do not get Meastro and his posts


yeah just fucking idiot he is..never mind
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: MumboJumbo on Jul 17, 06:00 AM 2017
I want to try before I buy. Octo from rouletteplayers.org gave me his method to try and it looks like working for now playing real money. I will pay him not 1000$ but 2000$ if continue to work. You should do the same thing "try before buy"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Steve on Jul 17, 06:11 AM 2017
If it continues to work even id buy it. But if you test the same system 50 times, you'd probably be in profit after 5000 spins perhaps once or twice. It doesn't mean the system works. It will happen even with random bets.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: 3Nine on Jul 17, 06:26 AM 2017
If you need a progression you have nothing.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 07:10 AM 2017
That's not true. A health ratio of bankroll and chip-value is ofcourse a must.

in my hg and bankroll i'm playing it i can handle six levels, i've never ever reached the 3rd level.


Can't do try before buy, as i was saying if no one is interested then it's fine, i think thread can be closed.

Btw Moderators, is Maestro a 12 yr old ?

Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: denzie on Jul 17, 07:11 AM 2017
+20000 spins is really nothing. I've got methods in the past that won easily over 100k spins. But then let it run in RX and they all busted. Not saying this to attack you but rather to give you a heads up.

And if it's really the HG. ..
Don't tell or sell. Hell no. Go make your cash first....And if you got a looooot of profit let someone make an app for it and ..... cashing
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: denzie on Jul 17, 07:15 AM 2017
Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 17, 06:26 AM 2017
If you need a progression you have nothing.

::)
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 07:19 AM 2017
Denzie, haha thanks man i think i will do just that ! I will remember you when i get filthy rich, i will invite you to amsterdam and a treat to the red light district my treat hahahaha !


But it's rather funny, i would think think when i have the hg people would want to have it. It's that when you actually have it people don't believe you. What an irony.

Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 07:22 AM 2017
but how much should the app cost ? I don't think i would tell anyway, maybe just take it to the grave or for my kids when i have them.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Steve on Jul 17, 07:45 AM 2017
There are various red flags here. One is the law of a third is meaningless and useless. Why has been explained many times
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: denzie on Jul 17, 07:49 AM 2017
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 07:22 AM 2017
but how much should the app cost ? I don't think i would tell anyway, maybe just take it to the grave or for my kids when i have them.

To let it develop isn't that expensive. Although IOS and Android need a chunk of the profits it still makes a lot more than 5k. I would put it for rent on a monthly based. I remember a guy who did that last year. Few days after release it dissappear. Someone buys the system. Probably for a lot.

Aha "de walletjes".... let's go  :P
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 07:57 AM 2017
I was thinking about it exactly the same like you did Steve, useless and meaningless.

Until i stumbled onto an another system from a friend which was based on the law of the thirds. Still there were too many back to back losses with his. So i've started from scratch and found the one i have now.

You have to know how to take advantage of it. Gamewise that's the only weakness and the core of many many other systems (losing ones).

Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jul 17, 08:33 AM 2017
Why sell it?

If it is HG you can make those 5000 dollars in a few minutes.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: MumboJumbo on Jul 17, 08:55 AM 2017
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 07:10 AM 2017
Can't do try before buy, as i was saying if no one is interested then it's fine, i think thread can be closed.

Btw Moderators, is Maestro a 12 yr old ?
Then I am not interested, thanks for nothing.
Maestro is older  :lol:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: 3Nine on Jul 17, 08:59 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Jul 17, 07:15 AM 2017
::)

Denzie, happy to repeat myself so we are clear.  If you NEED a progression you have nothing. 
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: denzie on Jul 17, 10:06 AM 2017
Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 17, 08:59 AM 2017
Denzie, happy to repeat myself so we are clear.  If you NEED a progression you have nothing.

Correction. .... YOU got nothing. But that doesn't matter. I'm not here to debate with you. Happy flat winnings
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: cht on Jul 17, 10:39 AM 2017
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 07:19 AM 2017
Denzie, haha thanks man i think i will do just that ! I will remember you when i get filthy rich, i will invite you to amsterdam and a treat to the red light district my treat hahahaha !


But it's rather funny, i would think think when i have the hg people would want to have it. It's that when you actually have it people don't believe you. What an irony.
Wow ! You guys are still at it.

Btw what fellow punters on here believe doesn't matter.

Your main worry is the CASINO, you hope their pit manager thinks you're just lucky when you win. If he thinks your vodoo system is bs that you win by plain luck that will lose itlr, then count yourself real lucky. And you pray that pit man keeps thinking this way that he stays adamant and not change his mind - that's all you care about, the rest is irrelevant.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 10:57 AM 2017
i am a bit worried about the casino, i think i will try to stay playing multitouch bet instead of at the table.

I'm currently playing online 12 units up in less than an hour.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 11:00 AM 2017
Rouletteghost, i am not selling it anymore.

Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: 3Nine on Jul 17, 11:30 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Jul 17, 10:06 AM 2017
Correction. .... YOU got nothing. But that doesn't matter. I'm not here to debate with you. Happy flat winnings

Because there's nothing to debate.  It's a FACT and you know it. 



Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: denzie on Jul 17, 01:52 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Jul 17, 10:39 AM 2017
Wow ! You guys are still at it.

Btw what fellow punters on here believe doesn't matter.

Your main worry is the CASINO,
the rest is irrelevant.

Well said. Who cares what people say here. They nobody. Now go and make that money.

Cht...Not sure where you from but in Europe there are enough casino's. No worries.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: denzie on Jul 17, 01:54 PM 2017
Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 17, 11:30 AM 2017
Because there's nothing to debate.  It's a FACT and you know it.

There are few facts that I know about this game yep. But unfortunately you don't yet. But that's cool. We all do our own thing.  :lol:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: maestro on Jul 17, 02:08 PM 2017
there is only one policy for HG sellers


link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzAS53gcDg (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzAS53gcDg)

:lol:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: maestro on Jul 17, 02:23 PM 2017
QuoteRouletteghost, i am not selling it anymore.

why ...is it because you understood that we are a bit older than 12 years... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: ozon on Jul 17, 04:07 PM 2017
I also made an announcement in this section. It was completely opposite to yours, I had time and money. And guess what? I'm still waiting for something interesting.
I've been running several systems with their authors. And guess what no one could stand.
20k spins is nothing, with deep progression, you must show some 100k graphs from rx, so someone would start to respect it.
I'm here a few years, some guys have really good ideas and earn money, but a lot of people believe in voodoo shit and think that some of the  shit methods will survive longrun.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Kattila on Jul 17, 05:41 PM 2017
OMG....i have the triple HG and i don t even know it....XXX HG...
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Kattila on Jul 17, 05:43 PM 2017
OH..wait...then what kind of HG  is this...
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Kattila on Jul 17, 05:56 PM 2017
Still none HG...was just examples how little is 20k....
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: maestro on Jul 17, 06:10 PM 2017
i like second balance Katt... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jul 17, 06:36 PM 2017
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 17, 11:00 AM 2017
Rouletteghost, i am not selling it anymore.

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Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jul 17, 08:07 PM 2017
One way to get forum traffic.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: maestro on Jul 17, 11:18 PM 2017
QuoteMe among others on an another forum have found it (drtalos, jerome, jake etc)


sound like that... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=oahkPx5QyG4 (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=oahkPx5QyG4)
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Mortagon on Jul 19, 04:13 AM 2017
Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 17, 08:59 AM 2017
Denzie, happy to repeat myself so we are clear.  If you NEED a progression you have nothing.

"Bassie already figured it out, progression, a sophisticated progression. Tamio, figured out that there is an exit strategy. Collectively, I believe you guys will break the code."
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15536.msg134684#msg134684


"One of the first things you need to do is establish a bankroll. Can it sustain a 12 number betting strategy? What is your target goal?, how much money do you want to make? If you go into a game just to see how many times you can hit, you may as well consider roulette to be entertainment. The key to winning is when you do hit, are you in profit?"
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15536.msg133958#msg133958


"If you have something of value that I am interested in, I will make an offer to buy or trade. I will never ask for anything for free.  You will never understand the worth of someone's soul until you have walked in their shoes.  When you can understand that, you will understand your own worth.
I tried giving things for free. It did no good to anyone because there was no exchange of values."
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8073.msg89914#msg89914


"You will never hear of anyone who has learned GPM from me privately speaking about what they have learned because they are on non-disclosure agreements, besides they paid for that information."
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15536.msg133960#msg133960


"Players who are successful will not post their comments because they do not want to be bombarded by questions from those who do not understand. Members are subjected to a non-disclosure clause. If they do speak out, they can only offer how it has helped them. So you see, they choose to remain anonymous. Not all players have had a good results, even a few who have been coached. But, they are those players who get it."
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16665.msg148867#msg148867


Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Rewster88 on Jul 19, 03:42 PM 2017
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 20, 06:55 AM 2017
Correct, so i will remain silent now have nothing to proof to anyone.

But on a sidenote, i was never on this forum before. After doing some research i see some correlation between vaddis hg and my hg, the weakness is the same.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: MumboJumbo on Jul 20, 07:18 AM 2017
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 20, 06:55 AM 2017
After doing some research i see some correlation between vaddis hg and my hg, the weakness is the same.
Then you have nothing, no weakness in the hg, you can post your system here_____________________________________________in this blank field   :lol:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 20, 08:14 AM 2017
The weakness on the roulette wheel.

My grails also emphasizes on the numbers 8 and 4, but not the numbers on the wheel.




Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: denzie on Jul 20, 03:18 PM 2017
With all do respect. ... there's nothing hgish at Vaddis.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jul 20, 05:50 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Jul 20, 03:18 PM 2017

With all do respect. ... there's nothing hgish at Vaddis.


I agree -- and in my humble opinion, the primary reason for that is that Vaddi's method is searching for numbers that have appeared once and (this is the key) that MIGHT REPEAT.

That is actually quite different from seemingly similar methods that advocate betting on numbers that have ALREADY REPEATED.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Steve on Jul 20, 06:43 PM 2017
Why the big deal with repeaters? Anyone who properly tests will find the odds of a repeater spinning next or anytime soon haven't changed at all.

Its pure fallacy. Its actually really, really old news.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Bayes on Jul 21, 05:34 AM 2017
Agreed, there is no inherent advantage in repeaters or hot numbers. Show me even one test which conclusively proves that they're better than picking numbers randomly. And there is nothing special about the "Law of the Third" either. All it says is that as you record more numbers there is an increasing chance that the number's you've already recorded will show up, and a decreasing chance that the numbers which haven't hit, won't. This because you're choosing from a pool of more/less numbers. That's just basic probability and therefore already factors in the unfair payout. In which case, how can there be any advantage?  ::)
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: falkor2k15 on Jul 21, 05:49 AM 2017
Repeaters provide a structure - and as long as you track repeaters from both sides of the coin instead of just your favourite - stats based on triggering such repeaters will become stable across all data sets. Uniques can also contain structure too - that's why some permutations are rarer than others. So I think repeaters are important for establishing a framework without necessarily betting on them each time.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: MumboJumbo on Jul 21, 06:35 AM 2017
I must agree with Steve and Bayes, I have done many tests on repeaters and non hit numbers and it lead me to nowhere, better results I have on outside bets and chaos theory can rely only on roulette table not numbers.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Steve on Jul 21, 07:00 AM 2017
It makes sense to first research what other people have tried. Don't repeat the mistakes. It just takes a bit of research and understanding.

Falkor, there is no framework with repeaters. Its all just random, or at least we know the approaches that don't work. Why repeat the same mistakes?

I'm not saying it's completely unpredictable. Just that the proven ineffective methods don't need to be tested again by every new generation of players.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jul 21, 08:11 AM 2017
I think the whole basis around using hot numbers to be successful at roulette is the fact that in MOST 37 spin cycles there will be at least one number that has hit more then twice

Therefore betting on numbers that have hit twice within 37 spins for a 3rd could yield profit
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: ozon on Jul 21, 10:45 AM 2017
Ok, we have a system structure, we cycle 37 spins, we only play numbers that hit 2 times, we finish the session after  first  hit or after 37 spins with not hits.
The question is whether it will generate profit flat bet ,, do we need some kind of progression as it does TG?
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: falkor2k15 on Jul 21, 11:06 AM 2017
Quote from: ozon on Jul 21, 10:45 AM 2017
Ok, we have a system structure, we cycle 37 spins, we only play numbers that hit 2 times, we finish the session after  first  hit or after 37 spins with not hits.
The question is whether it will generate profit flat bet ,, do we need some kind of progression as it does TG?
Check out Priyanka's video.. might give you some ideas to improve on that... link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=3J4Lf7zxk4I
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Herby on Jul 21, 11:06 AM 2017
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 21, 05:34 AM 2017And there is nothing special about the "Law of the Third" either.

In its Limit this "Law" is just a number: 1/e with e ... Euler Number
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jul 21, 12:29 PM 2017
Quote from: ozon on Jul 21, 10:45 AM 2017
Ok, we have a system structure, we cycle 37 spins, we only play numbers that hit 2 times, we finish the session after  first  hit or after 37 spins with not hits.
The question is whether it will generate profit flat bet ,, do we need some kind of progression as it does TG?

A progression could be used safely in my opinion

For multiple reasons
1- we will most likely only be betting 1 to 3 numbers so it would be very very mild

2- if we don't get a hit this cycle we most likely will next cycle. Change numbers after 37 spins. Start cycle as you sit at table.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jul 21, 04:04 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 21, 08:11 AM 2017

Therefore betting on numbers that have hit twice within 37 spins for a 3rd could yield profit


Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 21, 12:29 PM 2017
A progression could be used safely in my opinion

only be betting 1 to 3 numbers so it would be very very mild


If you are planning to bet on 2-peats hoping that one of them will become a 3-peat, then you will be frequently betting on way more than 1-3 numbers.

According to the law of the thirds, in a cycle of 38 numbers, one-third of the numbers (10-12 numbers) do NOT show up even once.

This means that to "compensate" for their absence, 10-12 OTHER numbers will have to appear more than once.

In order to apply your above betting suggestion of catching one of these 2-peats becoming a 3-peat, most of the time you will have to bet on more than 1-3 numbers.

It may not be as high as 10-12 numbers all the time, but frequently it will be in that neighborhood (the first 3-peat number appears late in the 38-number cycle -- usually).

Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: denzie on Jul 22, 03:14 AM 2017
Around spin 24ish. ... But Really stop thinking about 1 cycle. It won't work. Think further.

Anyway best of luck to all.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Madi on Jul 22, 04:15 AM 2017
@denzie

Does it win everytime? I mean in 3 or 4 cycle? Not in 7 days session.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: ozon on Jul 22, 10:10 AM 2017
One question .
How often should we statistically have sessions where we will not have the 3rd repeat?
Session is 37 spins.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: ozon on Jul 22, 10:15 AM 2017
Yesterday I tested the strategy for one 37 spin cycle
80 sessions, I did not have one session without 3 rd repeat.
Profit flatbet is 280 units. Nozero Rng betvoyager
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: denzie on Jul 22, 10:35 AM 2017
Quote from: ozon on Jul 22, 10:10 AM 2017
One question .
How often should we statistically have sessions where we will not have the 3rd repeat?
Session is 37 spins.

1,...%
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 22, 06:47 PM 2017
To confirm, Vaddi does have the HG.

He laid down the foundation, the 1% missing is still HOW to capture all sleepers/doubles/repeaters.

What Vaddi has written on MMM few years ago he actually only explained 98% of his HG.

There is actually an extra 1% missing. ;)




Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jul 22, 09:03 PM 2017
That's always the story with these forums since the beginning

"Ahhhh your missing that 1%, you want it spoon fed"

Same story. Different year.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Kan@am@ on Oct 26, 06:35 PM 2018
Never got method from Junscissorhands that I paid 5000$ euro for.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Steve on Oct 26, 08:10 PM 2018
Clearly you got scammed, but report it with the options i explained.

Do you still actually believe he or vladdis have the hg? If so, that's a bigger problem.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Kan@am@ on Oct 26, 08:38 PM 2018
Just made this post to others to see on Juncessorhands topic.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 26, 08:41 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Oct 26, 08:10 PM 2018
Clearly you got scammed, but report it with the options i explained.

Do you still actually believe he or vladdis have the hg? If so, that's a bigger problem.
The real bigger problem is to send money to sellers, that's plain stupid
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Steve on Oct 26, 09:15 PM 2018
Yes youve already made your intelligent position on all books, videos and educational material known
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Kan@am@ on Oct 26, 09:19 PM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 26, 08:41 PM 2018
The real bigger problem is to send money to sellers, that's plain stupid
Than what is the main purpose of the section called”systems,products and services for sale”?
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 26, 10:09 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Oct 26, 09:15 PM 2018
Yes youve already made your intelligent position on all books, videos and educational material known
Repetition is an aid to learning

Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 26, 09:19 PM 2018
Than what is the main purpose of the section called”systems,products and services for sale”?
For idiots to tranfer money to sellers
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Kan@am@ on Oct 26, 10:30 PM 2018
What society are you living in?You never paid anyone for anything?
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 26, 10:35 PM 2018
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 26, 10:30 PM 2018
What society are you living in?You never paid anyone for anything?
Why don't you pay that $2500 since you love paying so much
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Steve on Oct 26, 10:45 PM 2018
Luckyfella is just trolling. Trolls dont care for logic.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 26, 10:51 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Oct 26, 10:45 PM 2018
Luckyfella is just trolling. Trolls dont care for logic.
Yea that's your way to get me banned or moderated  :thumbsup:

Most important for you is your rc sales

I understand :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Steve on Oct 26, 11:08 PM 2018
You've been making comments directed at me, trying to annoy me. Now youre attacking kanam. Youre trolling. Has nothing to do with sales of anything. Grow up.
Title: Re: My Holy Grail For Sale.
Post by: Kan@am@ on Oct 27, 12:01 AM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 26, 10:35 PM 2018
Why don't you pay that $2500 since you love paying so much
Because when you making an agreement ,you making an agreenent.