Just sharing this one from the other site...
TRIPLET DOZENS
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The state of a triplet (three dozen results) can be:
same eg. 222 or 111 or 333
repeat eg. 122 or 331 or 121 etc...
different eg. 213 or 312 or 123 etc..
Idea: wait for 2 consecutive triplet lines consisting of of "same" and/or "different" then play for next line to be a "repeat" line after the first 2 results are in...
For example if first 2 results are 1-2 then play d1+d2
For example if first 2 results are 2-2 then play d1+d3
If lose play as above for the "repeat" to occur on next line... (+1u?)
113 (repeat)
333 (same)
231 (different) trigger
322 (repeat) after the 32 bet d3+d2. result=2. won+1
212 (repeat)
122 (repeat)
331 (repeat)
213 (different)
323 (repeat)
133 (repeat)
131 (repeat)
221 (repeat)
132 (different)
312 (different) trigger
122 (repeat) after the 12 bet d1+d2. result=2. won+1
211 (repeat)
322 (repeat)
332 (repeat)
322 (repeat)
331 (repeat)
121 (repeat)
312 (different)
333 (same) trigger
122 (repeat) after the 12 bet d1+d2. result=2. won+1
233 (repeat)
221 (repeat)
(Bear in mind on avg. 18/27 trips of doz WILL BE repeat trips)
This is a grinder, patience and attention needed - so better play on trusted r.n.g. with option: fastspin only.
Can play for fun - LOW STAKES even on 1p roulette in UK. I can play 2 doz@10p units with 1/10th insurance cover on ZERO too for added safety. mathemagician (RKGold) might like it. ;)
Not for everyone - so take it or leave it.
Seems solid though!
Update
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Another thought that springs to mind is to record a "rolling history" of the last 27 'triple' doz results (same or different or repeat)
When the 'repeats' are lagging behind a little begin betting for repeat to occur.
For instance if the number of repeats = 16 or less then bet for repeat. Keep betting for repeat until total repeats increases to 17 or above out of the 27 history results; in which case wait until total repeats falls back to 16 again before jumping in to bet....
Can be done manually - as I did when I tested - but would be easier with a program to count and update the "triples".
This also seems to work well. I chose 16 as my trigger, but could be set lower if desired. (in which case you get less bet opps)
eg:
1 = same (3 of same doz)
2 = repeat (2 out of 3 doz are the same)
3 = different (All 3 doz are different)
Only when I get 16 or less out of 27 repeat trips do I bet for repeat.
No probs getting to +10 on fastspin RNG today doing that in abt. 500 spins.
Update 2
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To get more bets can use Part 2 of the idea - which is basically the opposite!
If repeats = 21 or more bet for SAME or DIFFERENT to happen.
eg: 1-1 bet for d1
eg: 2-3 bet for d1
eg: 1-2 bet for d3
This is a one dozen bet (after first 2 results)
However , if repeats drop below 21 then STOP betting for same or different until repeats count = 21/27 again.
When repeats drop to 16, implement Part 1 - betting FOR the repeats. (2 doz bet)
Just tried it with parts 1 and 2 and won +30u :)
I found a way using RX to track the "triples" by setting the "spins to calculate graphics from" to 27 and using number buttons 1,2 and 3 to act as the same, repeat or different results accordingly. Once I had the 27 results, updating after each triple, I could watch for the triggers.
So far never placed a doz bet higher than 3u.
The below attached gfx indicates a bet on a single doz (to result in a same or different outcome) after the first 2 spins.
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Interesting stategy. The "original" strategy does somewhat resemble the Grassroots idea about waiting for a unique pattern and then bet against it repeating.
Aka Quote RG page 113:
QuoteCredit goes to ATI:
, I've check the same thing on 100k live spins.
These are the stats for the 123 dozen pattern.
123 - 3397 times
123 1 - 1041 times
123 12 - 339 times
123 123 - 126 times
123 123 1 - 43 times
123 123 12 - 16 times
123 123 123 - 8 times
123 123 123 1 - 2 times
123 123 123 12 - 2 times
123 123 123 123 - 0 times
Aka the idea was to wait for a trigger like 123 and then bet against it repeating (aka here bet first 23, then 13 and then 12). The longer the trigger the better so like 123 1 or 123 12 is better than just 123 but the waiting time for the trigger to happen gets disturbingly longer with every additional number. And that also playing the other "differnt" triggers like 231, 132 etc.
Your strategy with adding the "same" triplets (like 333 or 111) into a 6 long trigger seem to get a lot more frequent triggers. Also even though you dont use the word "against" the idea behind the bet is roughly the same, example: you have 2 sets of 3 very "rare" numbers like 333 111 and then the next set starting with 23 you bet 2 and 3 (aka against 1) "against" 231 happening. Looks quite effective.
One quick question: if the 2 numbers after the trigger isnt 2 different numbers, would you then skip the bet? aka 333 111 22 .. then skip as there is only the dozen 2 to bet on and its seems that the "rare" same/different pattern is dangerously streaking? (ive seen that).
Oh and the updates seem quite logic too, betting on expected frequentsy and all that ;)
Link Grassroots:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16172.msg176286#msg176286
I've had some pretty crazy ideas in regards to betting against unique dozen sequences
As in
123
132
213
231
312
321
I play with outlandish ideas. But I'd rather have winnings in my pocket then criticism from a forum
So I stay quiet now
Well said RG >:D
Hi RG,
Thanks for your info. Yes - I suppose it a little like that 'grassroots'. Myself, I like the 2 non-repeat triple trigger and then bet for a repeat. Might not have to wait too long on rng before getting a bet. This just might be stronger than the 'expected frequency' way with the rolling 27 triples also... I'm not sure abt that way but have found it a little safer to bet for single dozen non-repeat when 23 or 24 repeats out of 27 have shown instead of the 21/24 I first experimented with. However, this can take some time to happen!
Good fun, anyhow. :)
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Hi RG,
>>>>>>>One quick question: if the 2 numbers after the trigger isnt 2 different numbers, would you then skip the bet? aka 333 111 22 .. then skip as there is only the dozen 2 to bet on and its seems that the "rare" same/different pattern is dangerously streaking? (ive seen that).
I did not skip the bet - but also seen that too of course.
Maybe I'm just lucky that I haven't yet seen a LONG run of non-repeat triples in a row... then again in this situation you could just bet once only after the trigger - win or lose - if lose wait for next trigger after after the repeat eventually occurs.
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 31, 02:15 PM 2017
I've had some pretty crazy ideas
So I stay quiet now
Stay quiet.
i will play aginst a unique dozen sequence in silly silly ways
for example
i will take a 10 spin sequence
lets pretend these are the dozen results of the 10 spin sequence
spin 1- 2
spin 2- 2
spin 3- 1
spin 4- 2
spin 5- 1
spin 6- 2
spin 7- 3
spin 8- 1
spin 9- 3
spin 10- 3
here we had a unique dozen sequence on spins 6, 7, 8
so in the next 10 spin sequence i will bet against the formation of 2, 3, 1 on spins 6, 7, and 8
this is just an example of how i think and it works
so...........
Good idea rg . Listen to u only not the others. I play repeat doesnt mean i and the owner of the grail( if exist)is same. I play tennis 🎾. I m not federar. Hehe
A random entity such as roulette will not produce the same unique dozen sequence at the same spot in every set. It's impossible
I do ten spin sets
Almost always one trigger per ten spins
That's all I'll say
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 02, 07:50 AM 2017
A random entity such as roulette will not produce the same unique dozen sequence at the same spot in every set. It's impossible but not on MPR see it last visit
I do ten spin sets
Almost always one trigger per ten spins
That's all I'll say
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 01, 11:19 AM 2017
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>>>>>>>One quick question: if the 2 numbers after the trigger isnt 2 different numbers, would you then skip the bet? aka 333 111 22 .. then skip as there is only the dozen 2 to bet on and its seems that the "rare" same/different pattern is dangerously streaking? (ive seen that).
I did not skip the bet - but also seen that too of course.
Maybe I'm just lucky that I haven't yet seen a LONG run of non-repeat triples in a row... then again in this situation you could just bet once only after the trigger - win or lose - if lose wait for next trigger after after the repeat eventually occurs.
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Thanks for the answer. That does make sense & betting a single dozen in that odd rare case as its cheaper too.
When I first started playing Roulette I played with dozen bets, I don't anymore.
It takes a long time to learn which bets, even when they look so good at first, are the ones to avoid.
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Maybe I'm just lucky that I haven't yet seen a LONG run of non-repeat triples in a row... then again in this situation you could just bet once only after the trigger - win or lose - if lose wait for next trigger after after the repeat eventually occurs.
I still play this using the method outlined in the topic starter...
Wait for 2 non-repeats triples then play next for a repeat to form. A one time only bet.
Win or lose wait for next trigger (2 non-repeat triples)
Progression I use is 1-1,2-2,3-3...etc.
Doing Ok with it.
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i try and win 3-5u a session. (Can take time to see 2 non-repeat triples)
I like this as:
You're not playing every spin.
You can avoid some 0's because of that.
Plenty of time to record and chart play (less chance of mistakes)
Not complicated to understand and easy to spot triggers.
Playing on live dealer SPEED roulette is my preference. (with chat and sound off; I listen to my favorite music while playing)
Gives you time to think and not rushed to make decisions.
I know its just another Double Doz bet; but has a nice feelgood 'vibe' to me; patience required though.
Later maybe I try with separate progression for the columns.
Another way to play is to also record # of repeats and the # of same/diff. If you think an imbalance might be occurring (repeats lagging behind) then think about bet, bearing in mind 18/27 repeats is avg.
EG:
Triplet formations
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R
R
S
R
D
R
S
at this point you have 4 triplet repeats and 3 others = 4/3 to repeat.
I'm tempted to play for repeat to start to pull away any time soon...
Example session just now. First I check the past history marquee and get some triple results before starting play...
R=repeat triple
S=same triple
D=different triple
O=total same/different triples
311 R
212 R
332 R
232 R
312 D
222 S---- 4R/2O
132 D-----4R/3O L-2 -2
112 R-----5R/3O w+2 +0
332 R-----6R/3O w+1 +1
133 R-----7R/3O w+1 +2
121 R-----8R/3O w+1 +3
133 R-----9R/3O w+1 +4 - I stopped here and wait; expecting S or D
113 R-----10R/3O
221 R-----11R/3O
232 R-----12R/3O
113 R-----13R/3O
My gut is telling me expecting S or D to happen pretty soon seeing as I have 13 triple repeats out of 16 triple results I quit here.
(However, could have played for single dozen (S or D) here)
But I decide not to risk it and keep hold of my +4 and come back later for a new session
This is more flexible, individual approach and in the style of adapting and reacting to what the wheel is throwing at you + gut feeling/instinct rather than playing according to the strict, rigid rules of a systematic route.
Hope this helps.
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Double Dozen Progression
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This is one of the better progressions for double dozen betting, thanks to GLC and others.
Progression Level
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Bet level 1 ($1.00) on each Dozen for 5 Spins.
If at the end each 5 spins we have a positive balance then spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
For example, if we won all 5 times we would have a positive balance of $5, if we won 4 times we would have
a positive balance of $2 therefore we would spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
If at end of 5 spins we have a negative balance then increase bets to next progression level 2 ($2.00) for
next 5 spins.
For example, if we won 3 times out of 5, we would have a negative balance of -$1.
Bet level 2 ($2.00) on each Dozen for 5 spins.
If during these 5 spins we have eliminated the negative balance of -$1 then revert back to next lower level,
ie. level 1.
If we still have a negative balance at the end of level 2, then go to level 3.
For example, we have a -$1 loss from level 1.
The first spin at level 2 ($2.00) on each dozen is won, we win $2.00 which when added to the -$1 loss from
the previous level a +$1 which has eliminated the negative balance and we now revert back 1 level.
In practice, a win on the very first bet = +1 RESET the count to 0.
Any time ahead or level always RESET the count to 0.
Example:
W +1 +1* reset to 1u
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W +1 +2* reset to 1u
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W +1 +3* reset to 1u
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L -2 +1
L -2 -1
W+1 +0
L-2 -2
W+1 -1 up to next level 2u
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w+2 +1** reset to 2u
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L-4 -3
w+2 -1
w+2 +1** reset to 2u
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w+2 +3* reset to 1u
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L-2 +1
w+1 +2
w+1 +3* reset to 1u
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w+1 +4* reset to 1u
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L-2 +2
L-2 +0
L-2 -2
w+1 -1
w+1 +0 up to next level 2u
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w+2 +2 reset to 2u
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L-4 -2
w+2 +0
w+2 +2
w+2 +4* reset to 1u
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w+1 +5* reset to 1u
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w+1 +6* reset to 1u
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Highest Bet=2x2u
LLR=3
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Quote from: atlantis on Oct 10, 08:55 AM 2019
Double Dozen Progression
=====================
This is one of the better progressions for double dozen betting, thanks to GLC and others.
Progression Level
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Bet level 1 ($1.00) on each Dozen for 5 Spins.
If at the end each 5 spins we have a positive balance then spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
For example, if we won all 5 times we would have a positive balance of $5, if we won 4 times we would have
a positive balance of $2 therefore we would spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
If at end of 5 spins we have a negative balance then increase bets to next progression level 2 ($2.00) for
next 5 spins.
For example, if we won 3 times out of 5, we would have a negative balance of -$1.
Bet level 2 ($2.00) on each Dozen for 5 spins.
If during these 5 spins we have eliminated the negative balance of -$1 then revert back to next lower level,
ie. level 1.
If we still have a negative balance at the end of level 2, then go to level 3.
For example, we have a -$1 loss from level 1.
The first spin at level 2 ($2.00) on each dozen is won, we win $2.00 which when added to the -$1 loss from
the previous level a +$1 which has eliminated the negative balance and we now revert back 1 level.
In practice, a win on the very first bet = +1 RESET the count to 0.
Any time ahead or level always RESET the count to 0.
Example:
W +1 +1* reset to 1u
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W +1 +2* reset to 1u
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W +1 +3* reset to 1u
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L -2 +1
L -2 -1
W+1 +0
L-2 -2
W+1 -1 up to next level 2u
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w+2 +1** reset to 2u
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L-4 -3
w+2 -1
w+2 +1** reset to 2u
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w+2 +3* reset to 1u
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L-2 +1
w+1 +2
w+1 +3* reset to 1u
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w+1 +4* reset to 1u
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L-2 +2
L-2 +0
L-2 -2
w+1 -1
w+1 +0 up to next level 2u
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w+2 +2 reset to 2u
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L-4 -2
w+2 +0
w+2 +2
w+2 +4* reset to 1u
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w+1 +5* reset to 1u
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w+1 +6* reset to 1u
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Highest Bet=2x2u
LLR=3
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I like it because it’s not aggressive
“Gr8player†a controversial baccarat poster says he’s used this for baccarat