Has anyone tried a system like this before?
It's betting on EC and Line after a trigger of 4 DS results.
Track and record the standard DS (line) results.
Look back at the last 4 results recorded before making a betting decision.
The 4 results must be all different.
After 4 results are in check to see which High/Low has the MAJORITY decision - must be 3/1 in favour of one side or the other. This indicates an EC bet on the corresponding majority side - the High or the Low.
If it is a TIE between the High and Low results then wait for another result and look back at the new last 4 results to see if there is now a dominant (3-1 to H or L)
They must be 4 UNIQUE and different line results:
eg: 14625 - 4625 qualifies for H + DS2
eg: 44625 - 4625 does not qualify due to prior repetition on DS4.
eg: 446254 - 6254 qualifies for H + DS2
Example:
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52415 - is a tie (2H/2L) = no bet
524152 - still a tie = no bet
5241523 - (3L/1H) LOW is dominant bet (LOW + DS5)
Suggested progression: FLATBET. The bet is made with 1u on EC and 0.5u on LINE
After 4 DIFFERENT DS results where there is a majority of LOW or HIGH it could be expected a REPEAT DS to happen - it is very unlikely that to get all 6 DS to show in 6 results (but it can happen) so the reasoning or theory is to bet the dominant H/L EC as surely there is MORE CHANCE that the repeat, if it comes, will be in that section. The LINE is also covered in case of a repetition happening there.
Result can be:
+0.5 if EC wins
+1.5 if LINE wins
-1.5 if Lose
Stakes can be altered to cover 0 too if desired and take a smaller profit.
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Quote from: atlantis on Aug 29, 11:18 AM 2017
Look back at the last 4 results recorded before making a betting decision.
The 4 results must be all different.
After 4 results are in check to see which High/Low has the MAJORITY decision - must be 3/1 in favour of one side or the other. This indicates an EC bet on the corresponding majority side - the High or the Low.
If it is a TIE between the High and Low results then wait for another result and look back at the new last 4 results to see if there is now a dominant (3-1 to H or L)
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I will take a look at this interesting method over the weekend. Thanks for sharing it.
By the way, the above excerpt reminds me of a certain Mr. Moglizu and his "linearity-based" holy grail thread that he posted over at betselection.cc about six months back.
I think you have good memories of that thread, don't you? :twisted: :twisted:
Quick test, 1000000 spins, no zero
92658 subsets fulfill the criteria
31002 looser: lost 46503 units
61656 winner: won 46395 units
Looks good Atlantis. 8)
A slight variation: column splits same
premise (eight numbers) also looks good :)
Quote from: Herby on Aug 29, 03:01 PM 2017
Quick test, 1000000 spins, no zero
92658 subsets fulfill the criteria
31002 looser: lost 46503 units
61656 winner: won 46395 units
Thx for test! Interesting! :)
Of course the ratio or amounts of the staking can be different... Also you could cover the zero... What if you just back the qualifying EC only at a flat 1u for same test, I wonder??
Anyhow my own quick test on real roulette numbers spinfile using above rules was 6/6 wins: 2@1.5 and 4@0.5 = +5u
(No zeroes occurred on the bets)
Regards,
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Good job herby
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 29, 04:01 PM 2017What if you just back the qualifying EC only at a flat 1u for same test, I wonder??
Hi atlantis,
just to get you right: you mean a test without betting the lines, other conditions stay the same ?
( to back a ...is not yet in my language repertoire, but I'm learning :question: )
Quote from: Herby on Aug 29, 04:18 PM 2017
Hi atlantis,
just to get you right: you mean a test without betting the lines, other conditions stay the same ?
( to back a ...is not yet in my language repertoire, but I'm learning :question: )
You're right Herby. Conditions the same but just bet flat 1u on the EC; H or L
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O.k.
I' ll do it tomorrow, here' s allready bedtime for elder people like me :smile:
Quote from: Herby on Aug 29, 04:27 PM 2017
O.k.
I' ll do it tomorrow, here' s allready bedtime for elder people like me :smile:
No rush. Your help in testing is greatly appreciated. Goodnight.
Can you specify of the wins, how many win 0.5 and how many won 1.5 ? Thanks.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 29, 04:00 PM 2017
Looks good Atlantis. 8)
A slight variation: column splits same
premise (eight numbers) also looks good :)
Thanks for the tip Proof.
DoctorSudoku wrote:
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By the way, the above excerpt reminds me of a certain Mr. Moglizu and his "linearity-based" holy grail thread that he posted over at betselection.cc about six months back.
Haha! That was quite a novel idea "linearity" of his (for those that understood it) but, alas, after excel botted, it was proved conclusively not to work. Even moglizu admitted as much. I recall being quite disappointed at the time. I don't waste my time on it after that. Verdict: Fail - not Grail.
:)
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First real spinfile test this morning.
103 spins.
12 bets. 11Won; 1Lost. ( 7w@+0.5 4w@+1.5 1L@-1.5)
Profit = +8u. (flat)
I've attached the spin history from RXtreme.
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Hi Atlantis,
Thank you for sharing, I will test a couple hundred spins and let you know the results, just to make sure, you only bet for one spin after a trigger ? If we loose or win that bet we start tracking again?
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 30, 10:14 AM 2017
Hi Atlantis,
Thank you for sharing, I will test a couple hundred spins and let you know the results, just to make sure, you only bet for one spin after a trigger ? If we loose or win that bet we start tracking again?
Depends. You are always looking at the most recent last 4 results. No need to retrack.
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I am sorry, I did not mean "retrack", but bet only one time after trigger, if bet wins or looses then wait again for new trigger to occur, my question is, do we bet only once after trigger?
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 29, 05:41 PM 2017
That was quite a novel idea "linearity" of his (for those that understood it) but, alas, after excel botted, it was proved conclusively not to work. Even moglizu admitted as much. I recall being quite disappointed at the time. I don't waste my time on it after that. Verdict: Fail - not Grail.
:)
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The term "linearity" was Mr. Moglizu's unique contribution to that topic.
In terms of the bet selection method itself, he plagiarized it straight out of Wendell's play book.
I looked at this one again and If not flatbetting then the "easy peasy" progression for EC and Line might suit this one.
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Just to remind and clarify the "Easy Peasy" (EC+Line) progression rules, notes etc...
FIRST WAY
The first bet is an EVEN CHANCE wager. This bet is always DOUBLE the amount of the second bet that is made.
The second bet is a LINE bet (doublestreet). This bet is always HALF the amount of the even chance bet.
The starting bet for the ECs is 1 unit. The starting bet for the LINE is 0.5 unit.
The Progression: Keep track at all times of the highest recorded bank total.
**Each time a DOUBLE LOSS occurs the LINE bet is INCREASED by 0.5 or half a unit**
The EVEN bet is always adjusted to be DOUBLE the value of the LINE bet.
If LEVEL or AHEAD always reduce to starting stake (1u on EC - 0.5 on Line)
Results of 7 bet opportunities:
EC win +0.5 next bet 1L and 0.5Line +0.5*
EC win +0.5 next bet 1H and 0.5Line +1.0*
Both lost -1.5 next bet 2H and 1Line -0.5
EC win +1.0 next bet 2L and 1Line +0.5
EC win +1.0 next bet 1H and 0.5Line +1.5* new high; reduce to 1 and 0.5
EC win +0.5 next bet 1L and 0.5Line +2.0*
Line win +1.5 next bet 1L and 0.5Line +3.5*stop
Results of 9 bet opportunities:
EC win +0.5 next bet 1L and 0.5Line +0.5*
Both lost -1.5 next bet 2H and 1Line -1.0
EC win +1.0 next bet 2L and 1Line +0
Both lost -3.0 next bet 3H and 1.5Line -3
Both lost -4.5 next bet 4H and 2Line -7.5
EC win +2 next bet 4H and 2Line -5.5
Line win +6 next bet 1H and 0.5Line +0.5* level; reduce to 1 and 0.5
EC win +0.5 next bet 1L and 0.5Line +1.0*
EC win +0.5 next bet 1H and 0.5Line +1.5*
Line win +1.5 next bet 1H and 0.5Line +3.0*stop
SECOND WAY
Another way is to only increase the Line Bet when a loss of 2 or more units occurs and only reset at a new high:
Result of 3 games:
+1.5 line win bet 1H + 0.5Line +1.5
-1.5 double loss bet 2H + 0.5Line +0
+1.5 ec win bet 2L + 0.5Line +1.5
+1.5 ec win bet 1L + 0.5Line +3*** target
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+0.5 ec win bet 1L + 0.5Line +0.5
-1.5 double loss bet 2L + 0.5Line -1.0
+1.5 ec win bet 2L + 0.5Line +0.5
-2.5 double loss bet 3H + 1Line -2.0** (2 or more units loss - increase line to ensure profit if line win)
+2 ec win bet 3H + 1Line +0
+2 ec win bet 1L + 0.5Line +2** new high; reduce to 1;0.5
+0.5 ec win bet 1L + 0.5Line +2.5
-1.5 double loss bet 2H + 0.5Line +1.0
+1.5 ec win bet 2H + 0.5Line +2.5
+1.5 ec win bet 1L + 0.5Line +4.0***target
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+0.5 ec win bet 1L + 0.5Line +0.5*
+0.5 ec win bet 1L + 0.5Line +1.0*
+0.5 ec win bet 1H + 0.5Line +1.5*
+1.5 line win bet 1L + 0.5Line +3.0***target
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Move up and down the levels depending on amount of current deficit.
Also I am aiming for 6x0.5u win per game now. (+3u)
Levels of progression:
Deficit EC;Line
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under -2u 1;0.5
-2u 2;1
-4u 3;1.5
-6u 4;2
-8u 5;2.5
-10u 6;3
-12u 7;3.5
-14u 8;4
etc..
THIRD WAY
OR can use this EASIER and more straightforward progression which I like:
The EC+Line system original (preferred by twocatsam)
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On each loss I increase the EC bet by +1. Only after a set of 2 consecutive losses is the LINE bet also increased by +1.
A result of +3 or more ends a game. And bear in mind this can occur in just 1 single spin.
**Starting bet 2u on EC; 1u Line**
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w3 bet 2L and 1Line +3* target
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L3 bet 3H and 1Line -3
w2 bet 2L and 1Line -1
L3 bet 3L and 1Line -4
w2 bet 2H and 1Line -2
L3 bet 3H and 1Line -5
w2 bet 2L and 1Line -3
w1 bet 2H and 1Line -2
w1 bet 2L and 1Line -1
w3 bet 2H and 1Line +2
w3 bet 2L and 1Line +5* target
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w1 bet 2H and 1Line +1
w3 bet 2L and 1Line +4* target
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w3 bet 2H and 1Line +3* target
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w3 bet 2L and 1Line +3* target
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w1 bet 2L and 1Line +1
w1 bet 2L and 1Line +2
w3 bet 2H and 1Line +5* target
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w1 bet 2H and 1Line +1
w1 bet 2H and 1Line +2
L3 bet 3L and 1Line -1
w2 bet 2L and 1Line +1
w3 bet 2H and 1Line +4* target
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w1 bet 2L and 1Line +1
w1 bet 2L and 1Line +2
w3 bet 2H and 1Line +5* target
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w1 bet 2H and 1Line +1
w1 bet 2L and 1Line +2
w3 bet 2H and 1Line +5* target
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w1 bet 2H and 1Line +1
w1 bet 2H and 1Line +2
L3 bet 3H and 1Line -1
w2 bet 2H and 1Line +1
w1 bet 2H and 1Line +2
L3 bet 3H and 1Line -1
L4 bet 4H and 2Line -5
w6 bet 3L and 1Line +1
w2 bet 2L and 1Line +3* target
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L3 bet 3L and 1 Line -3
w2 bet 2H and 1Line -1
w3 bet 2L and 1Line +2
w1 bet 2L and 1Line +3 * target
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w1 bet 2L and 1Line +1
w1 bet 2H and 1Line +2
L3 bet 3H and 1Line -1
L4 bet 4L and 2Line -5
w2 bet 4L and 2Line -3
w2 bet 2L and 1Line -1
w1 bet 2L and 1Line +0
w1 bet 2L and 1Line +1
w3 bet 2H and 1Line +4* target
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w1 bet 2H and 1Line +1
w1 bet 2L and 1Line +2
w1 bet 2L and 1Line +3* target
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w1 bet 2H and 1Line +1
w1 bet 2L and 1Line +2
w3 bet 2H and 1Line +5* target
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Profit = +55pts.
I am going to try the third way on live dealer and using the system at the head of this topic - it will require patience and determination of course to wait and identify the qualifying results that will trigger a bet opportunity for each session :)
Atlantis.
Reminder note to self:
I asked:
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What if you just back the qualifying EC only at a flat 1u for same test, I wonder??
Conditions the same as for system - but ignore the line bet and just bet flat 1u on the EC; H or L....
Might there be a positive advantage to be gained by doing that? Need test - because earlier requested test result was not posted (if it ever occurred that is..)
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It seems that after qualifying trigger, betting EC only producing interesting results. Long strings of L's not happening. More w than L but really need longer tests; an RX program and using real casino roulette results ideal and would give the answer - but quite intriguing ;)
Another member reports:
LWLWWWW 120 SPINS 7 TRIGGERS
LLLWWLWWWW 110 SPINS 10 TRIGGERS
LWWLLLWLWL 125 SPINS 10 TRIGGERS
WWWLWLLLWLWWWL 150 SPINS 14 TRIGGERS
LWWLWLLLW 120 SPINS 9 TRIGGERS
LWWWLLWWWWWLLW 185 SPINS 14 TRIGGER
WWWLLWLLW 130 SPINS 9 TRIGGER
WWLWLWWWL 120 SPINS 9 TRIGGER
WLWLWWWWLLW 150 SPINS 11 TRIGGERS
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always liked your work atlantis......how are you playing to get these results..
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 10, 06:29 AM 2018
Reminder note to self:
I asked:
Might there be a positive advantage to be gained by doing that? Need test - because earlier requested test result was not posted (if it ever occurred that is..)
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Hi atlantis,
I promissed you a computerized test last year :embarrassed: shame on me.
Due extreme lot of work last 8 months I totally forgot - sorry for that.
I check my programm (written with Mathematica, I'll send you if you like) from scratch and keep you informed.
Herby
Quote from: keepontryin on Apr 24, 07:19 PM 2018
always liked your work atlantis......how are you playing to get these results..
Hi
Am playing exactly as I described at the start of the topic. Except this time I am only betting the EC and not the line bet.
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Quote from: Herby on Apr 25, 01:21 AM 2018
Hi atlantis,
I promissed you a computerized test last year :embarrassed: shame on me.
Due extreme lot of work last 8 months I totally forgot - sorry for that.
I check my programm (written with Mathematica, I'll send you if you like) from scratch and keep you informed.
Herby
Hi Herby,
Yes- please keep me updated on that. It would be great if you could do a test but with just betting the EC portion of the bet described at the head of this topic sometime when you get chance to do it. Thanks.
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atlantis ........here is a tweak i use when playing h or l on a 00 wheel..........if high is the bet i would bet high BUTi would not bet the number and its split in the last ds of our high selection..........and replace with 0 00 split......hope you understand.......this way
Quote from: keepontryin on Apr 26, 08:18 AM 2018
atlantis ........here is a tweak i use when playing h or l on a 00 wheel..........if high is the bet i would bet high BUTi would not bet the number and its split in the last ds of our high selection..........and replace with 0 00 split......hope you understand.......this way
Yes - I understand that tweak. :)
If you feel comfortable with that and it is working for you then why not? I am playing on single 0 with le partage (half-stake returns)
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Another session...
120 SPINS
WWLLWWWLWLWW 12 TRIGGERS BUT WINNING SESSION
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Another session:
LLLWWLWWWWWWWLLWW 235 SPINS; 17 TRIGGERS; 11W;6L
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Can always use MILD PROGRESSSION with this... eg: Gr8player's:
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1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3 3
4 4 4 4 4 4 4
5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Starting at the 1-unit level (or, as I call it "1-ville". "ville" because that's where you want to "live", in 1-ville, for we don't like to live in 3-, 4- or 5-ville) you remain there unless you lose by more than a -1. In other words, obviously any "plus" after the 7 bets and you remain; if you were to lose the series at 4 losses to 3 wins, so a -1, stay at the same level. If, however, you lose 5 and win only 2 (for a -3) or lose 6 and win only 1 (for a -5) or lose all 7 (for a -7), you move up to level 2.
Now, say you're at a -3 for the first level, and you move up to level 2, as soon as you are at a +2 in level two, you end that series and return to level one. For example:
-1 +1 -1 -1 +1 -1 -1 = -3 on to level 2:
+2 -2 +2 +2 = +4 now you're at a +1 for the group (-3 +4 = +1), go back to level 1 immediately.
You are ALWAYS seeking to return to "1-ville". I did not design this progression as an excuse to raise my bets; on the contrary, I designed it for it's EFFICIENCY in recouping and relative "mildness". So lower those bets as quickly as you can.
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