"Birds of a feather flock together" vdw and pigeonhole theory in one quote lol
I'm having fun with this, don't judge me 😂
Before I post the method I need to bring everyone up to speed. I'm also going to pick up the idea from winkels last system on vdw
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 05, 12:03 PM 2017
Non random games will contain the same data as a random game and yes nothing changes! Odds don't change!
What you need to understand is the view!! The data is being tracked to see something else. Non random has it's on math based on the tracking. This data can help because the swings are shorter
The environment on which you decide to bet is more controlled. This new data has its own strengths and weaknesses; it's on limits!
This is stage 1! Sorry to tell you, in stage 1 you have no game and you will not win with this information alone.
So for everyone complaining about random thoughts and non random, YOU ARE RIGHT! Your still in the same place.
Only difference now is that you have something with less variance with very good averages on the whole data set.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 05, 10:29 PM 2017
But again vdw on its on won't help honestly. The concept of it was to show how some things can be played and take predicting out of the way.
But everyone is looking at things at face value. That's where the confusion is happening. I'm trying to help you guys move on from the problem but you aren't listening.
Pri said it needs to be evolved and or combined with something else.
So as I was writing I had an idea. Second idea I give you guys better then everything posted on the forum lmao. But maybe it can help you guys or give you other ideas. Trying to get you to move on from the one sided thinking.
Also this idea will have some form of pigeon hole and vdw.
I will post a new topic
Now these rules are not all being used but I want you to remember that I said this in case YOU decide to take this to another level
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 17, 11:48 PM 2017
Here is some information to help you out
1.You have to create your own world using the spins - In this world the game play has to be short. Where if you get on a bad run its controlled. The bad run will last maybe a couple spins and then new game starts.
2.Needs dependency, The spins need to mean something to each other. There has to be a reason why this number and this number go together or why this and that make this pattern **THAT YOU CREATED**
3.You need to have a plan for every situation. Nothing can catch you by surprise. Everything should be expected.
If your game has a limit whats the solution? Is there a way to minimize the affect?
4. Create a game that doesn't have to be about predicting. Predicting doesn't work - unlesss your using that remote viewing or a super computer or any other form that's not conventional and/or that requires technology.
Your world, Your rules!
Alright for those following the other topic you know how to play winkels version. If not I will quote him below because he explained it pretty detailed
Quote from: winkel on Sep 04, 02:26 PM 2017
Try this way: RR bet R and you have RRR
now cut off the first R: RRR and now you have the next trigger to bet R again.
At this row of 9 R you will win 3rd, 4th, 5th. 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th bet. total of 7 wins!
Do the same after any win or loss. We need always 2 spins without any bet.
Example: RRB - stop selecting and restart with RB
next RB new spin B makes RBB , so bet B
next RBBB and win and cut off first two spins
You got: BB so bet B
and so on
Now we need to add a second bet at the same time
This is one bet! They go together do not seperate.
So the system will bet on low/high
For the sake of understanding 10 units on EC and 9 unit on numbers will be used (low/high)
When you see LH (you can bet L or H but whatever you decide you stick to it)
So for this method bets will be like this...
Example 1
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
LH ... bet 9 units red high numbers
Example 2
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
LL....bet 9 units red high numbers
Example 3
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
HL... bet 9 units red low numbers
Example 4
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
HH..bet 9 units red low numbers
Example 5
RB... no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH
Example 6
BR....no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH
I'll get into examples in a bit... I'm doing all this on my phone because my wifi is down 😫
To much of a hassle on my phone... im going to leave it for tomorrow. Anyone else maybe can post based on the idea. It's pretty straight forward
Why 10 units on EC and 9 unit on numbers (low/high)?
I did not understand when bet L and when bet H.
Thanks
Since reddwarf introduced PhP on VLS, it's been wrongly quoted in many instances on various forums. I suggested to falkor this tune that might help redirect his focus to properly understand the application of this principle in casino games play.
Without the proper reasons, there's no PhP condition no matter what anyone wish to claim. None.
You need to count your pigeons and the holes else you got nothing.
You do this right you will be amazed to see with your own eyes how PhP plays itself out in the spins that reddwarf proposed many years ago.
It has nothing to do with some fallacious VdW theorem non-random play.
I'd rather be blunt but to the point.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=xmADMB2utAo
Thank You for explaining this MoneyT101. Will be good to see what you post when wifi is restored.
Quote from: cht on Sep 06, 04:02 AM 2017
Since reddwarf introduced PhP on VLS, it's been wrongly quoted in many instances on various forums. I suggested to falkor this tune that might help redirect his focus to properly understand the application of this principle in casino games play.
Without the proper reasons, there's no PhP condition no matter what anyone wish to claim. None.
You need to count your pigeons and the holes else you got nothing.
You do this right you will be amazed to see with your own eyes how PhP plays itself out in the spins that reddwarf proposed many years ago.
It has nothing to do with some fallacious VdW theorem non-random play.
I'd rather be blunt but to the point.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=xmADMB2utAo
Yes you are right! But this topics point is to get people to think and and stop being one sighted about vdw when it was just an idea and needs to be evolved.
This is not the HG and yes it should fail. I haven't tested this and I mentioned it in my opening post. This was just an idea and it would have vdw and php combined. The method is not perfect at this stage. But trying to help people think different!
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Sep 06, 04:43 AM 2017
Thank You for explaining this MoneyT101. Will be good to see what you post when wifi is restored.
Nothing special honestly. Just pick up the idea I established. This system should fail too. It's still not perfect. Read my 4 tips
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 06, 02:26 AM 2017
Why 10 units on EC and 9 unit on numbers (low/high)?
I did not understand when bet L and when bet H.
Thanks
I'll give examples in a couple hours and you will understand by the visual why 10 on the EC and 9 on numbers.
I'm waiting to give it a try with real money
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 06, 12:33 PM 2017I'm waiting to give it a try with real money
I will advice you, to test anything you see with rx or for free, if i can.
Unless, you are just going to have some fun with very limited bankroll.
Quote from: praline on Sep 06, 12:39 PM 2017
I will advice you, to test anything you see with rx or for free, if i can.
Unless, you are just going to have some fun with very limited bankroll.
Just for fun betting cents. Im not that crazy...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 06, 12:33 PM 2017
I'm waiting to give it a try with real money
You can't be so eager to want to test everything with money. You haven't played roulette long enough and you haven't learned your lesson yet.
Btw my internet is still down until about 2-3 more hours until the Comcast guy gets here to fix it. I'm also in Florida so who knows how long I will have power until Irma decides to take it 😅
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 06, 12:54 PM 2017
You can't be so eager to want to test everything with money. You haven't played roulette long enough and you haven't learned your lesson yet.
Btw my internet is still down until about 2-3 more hours until the Comcast guy gets here to fix it. I'm also in Florida so who knows how long I will have power until Irma decides to take it 😅
Don't worry, just a small bankroll...
Are you from Florida. I love it that place!
I lived there for about 3 years... I miss
Comcast taking to long...Alright here is an example using random numbers. These are the groups we are betting 10 on EC and 1 on each number for a total of 19
Group 1 -bet Red & 19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36
Group 2 - bet Red & 1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16, 18
Group 3 - bet Black & 20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35
Group 4 - bet Black & 2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17
Here are the spins on the left.
7----R---L
2----B---L
12--R---L
26--B---H
29--B---H...bet group 1... Loss -19.. T -19
12--R---L... bet group 4... Loss -19.. T -38
7----R---L
27--R---H... bet group 1... Win 26.. T -12
13--B---L.. bet group 1...Loss -19.. T -31
7----R--L
29--B---H
36--R---H... bet group 1... Win 26.. T -5
22--B---H... bet group 4... Win 1 ... T -4
5----R--L.... bet group 2... Win 26...T +22
10--B--- L... bet group 4... Win 26 ..T +48
25--R---H... bet group 1... Win 26... T +74
21--R---H.... bet group 3.. Loss -19..T +55
8----B--L
1----R-- L
30--R-- H
Profit +55
I believe I got the ap correct according to winkel idea. If not someone please correct me. I will do another 20 spin example once my wifi is up.
It seems to be a great method!
Thanks!
I did not understand why 4 groups rather than just 2.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 06, 03:29 PM 2017
It seems to be a great method!
Thanks!
I did not understand why 4 groups rather than just 2.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 05, 11:47 PM 2017
This is one bet! They go together do not seperate.
So the system will bet on low/high
For the sake of understanding 10 units on EC and 9 unit on numbers will be used (low/high)
When you see LH (you can bet L or H but whatever you decide you stick to it)
So for this method bets will be like this...
Example 1
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
LH ... bet 9 units red high numbers
Example 2
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
LL....bet 9 units red high numbers
Example 3
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
HL... bet 9 units red low numbers
Example 4
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
HH..bet 9 units red low numbers
Example 5
RB... no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH
Example 6
BR....no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH
Please read
But why not
10 units on red and 10 high(all high)
10 units on red and 10 low(all low)
10 units on black and 10 high(all high)
10 units on black and 10 low(all low)
You also did not explain when I should bet on low numbers and high numbers.
Sorry for my ignorance...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 06, 04:22 PM 2017
But why not
10 units on red and 10 high(all high)
10 units on red and 10 low(all low)
10 units on black and 10 high(all high)
10 units on black and 10 low(all low)
You also did not explain when I should bet on low numbers and high numbers.
Sorry for my ignorance...
Look at the example...
If you get RR your going to bet R
at the same time your tracking low and high.
So example 1
RR.... here your betting for Red
Also tracking the low/high, if you get
LH... here you bet red high numbers only, there is 9 of them
This all together is considered 1 bet
Now look at examples 2-6
The EC bet is based on winkels topic which is located here link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19357.0
The second part of the bet I created to add a bet within a bet!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 06, 05:29 PM 2017
Look at the example...
If you get RR your going to bet R at the same time your tracking low and high.
So example 1
RR.... here your betting for Red
Also tracking the low/high, if you get
LH... here you bet red high numbers only, there is 9 of them
This all together is considered 1 bet
Now look at examples 2-6
The EC bet is based on winkels topic which is located here link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19357.0
The second part of the bet I created to add a bet within a bet!
I understood winkels topic
I get it, but my question is why red highs and not reds low? Which pattern are you using to bet low or high numbers?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 05, 11:47 PM 2017
When you see LH (you can bet L or H but whatever you decide you stick to it)
So for this method bets will be like this...
Example 1
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
LH ... bet 9 units red high numbers
Example 2
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
LL....bet 9 units red high numbers
Example 3
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
HL... bet 9 units red low numbers
Example 4
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
HH..bet 9 units red low numbers
Example 5
RB... no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH
Example 6
BR....no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH
I decided that's how I want to bet, you can do it either way.
The examples show the rules.
I'm betting the repeat or the chop, don't ask me why. Just think about it!
Thanks for the explanation!
I'll give it a try later
Btw guys my internet still down.. Comcast didn't fix it because near the cables by the pole there is a bee swarm and he told me I have to get rid of them for him to work. 😒
So I will not have wifi at home until after the hurricane. I might go somewhere else for the storm.
I want to get more examples up and test the weaknesses so I can make the adjustments.
I believe winkel used 3 losses to wait for a win. We can maybe add something similar but it all depends on the data which I haven't look that far into yet, I'm a try to work on it offline in open office
Guys during testing I noticed the chop on the low and high to be more profitable. Which it should be 50/50. So not sure if something is off on my end or I don't have enough data
Here is what I mean, if...
RR.. we bet R according to vdw
LH... we bet red high numbers which I picked based on looking for a repeat to complete LHH
But the data seems to show LHL to be a better play. I will continue testing the way I have the examples until I have enough data.
Just pointing it out in case anyone else is working on, so they can pay attention to that
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 06, 07:32 PM 2017
Guys during testing I noticed the chop on the low and high to be more profitable. Which it should be 50/50. So not sure if something is off on my end or I don't have enough data
Here is what I mean, if...
RR.. we bet R according to vdw
LH... we bet red high numbers which I picked based on looking for a repeat to complete LHH
But the data seems to show LHL to be a better play. I will continue testing the way I have the examples until I have enough data.
Just pointing it out in case anyone else is working on, so they can pay attention to that
Good idea Money, pretty similar to what I do. Yup, I notice you go for chop.
Just want to point out in your example above it's a lot better to drop the original bet though it's too early for that at this stage.
Quote from: cht on Sep 06, 10:45 PM 2017
Just want to point out in your example above it's a lot better to drop the original bet though it's too early for that at this stage.
Drop which bet the EC?
I do want to point out that this method is mainly for the concepts I'm trying to show.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 06, 11:18 PM 2017
Drop which bet the EC?
I do want to point out that this method is mainly for the concepts I'm trying to show.
Yup EC.
Are you demonstrating what it means by 'bet within a bet', 'parallel streams', 'stitching' all of that ?
Quote from: cht on Sep 06, 11:25 PM 2017
Yup EC.
Are you demonstrating what it means by 'bet within a bet', 'parallel streams', 'stitching' all of that ?
Yes... the point of this topic is to promote evolving vdw because Pri said if you don't evolve you can't use it effectively. I'm not saying this is the right way just trying to bring out ideas from others so everyone can stop being one sighted.
Also I gave ideas on creating an HG and some concepts are here
Own world,Short game, dependency, pigeons.....
Nice idea. Very interesting.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 07, 12:05 AM 2017
Yes... the point of this topic is to promote evolving vdw because Pri said if you don't evolve you can't use it effectively. I'm not saying this is the right way just trying to bring out ideas from others so everyone can stop being one sighted.
Also I gave ideas on creating an HG and some concepts are here
Own world,Short game, dependency, pigeons.....
1st dry run of small sample shows encouraging results. Now expanding test to larger population base.
MONEYT101
Are you having good results with your method using two simultaneous bets?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 08, 01:36 PM 2017
MONEYT101
Are you having good results with your method using two simultaneous bets?
The little more i tested you get good results and bad results.
It stays pretty close to even...
sorry guys ive been busy getting ready for this hurricane
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 08, 02:09 PM 2017
The little more i tested you get good results and bad results. It stays pretty close to even...
sorry guys ive been busy getting ready for this hurricane
Take care and be safe!
bump ;)