Hi Geeks,
everyone know that physics can defeat roulette, although using a computer to predict the outcome isnt always possible.
but what if we employ a workaround which should provide us same result?
lets say that we collect so much data/ spins from one wheel and and then we try to use some analytical functions to predict the next outcome... example what is the next number after 12 and 24 have been spun ...
will something work?
You are on the right track. Put more variables into the equation.
Alright, so what are these more variables ?
Speed of the wheel and ball ?
I can't detect them without a computer !
So what now ?
Does that mean statistics itself is a losing approach here ?
Well there is methods where you can track and charting a wheel weakness without using any kind of device and i created such a method.
Assume you can narrow down the ball speed and the rotor speed at the same time using indication numbers on the wheel and look at the gap distance pockets do after certain amount of movement with the help of the vertical deflectors - so when ball is over a certain deflector you have a certain number below it ...
With such method you are not as acc as VB but still much better then a simple wheel signature - so is some kind of hybrid where you use both parameters and they key element is in the bias where you find the wheels weak spot or sweet speed.
For each ball spin and rotor combination there is a pattern and some patterns will become better then others predicting the exact outcome - is working like you have distance from A to B. Here you divide the wheel into three large sectors and look at wish one the strongest patterns or hit ratio emerge from. Let me try to explain that again - you get a pattern wish key a specific ball and rotor speed combination and also a reference number - from that reference number that is different for each spin/rotor combination patterns will the the key for how the sector will be divided for each sequence - so the distance remain the same but the sectors and numbers are different each time.
Other names for this metods that are less advance and acc is wheel mapping ...
You need to solve the dominant drop zone and adapt as it change - then change reference deflector ...
Cheers
Interesting!
Please be kind to correct me, do you consider the metal reflector as a reference for ever spin combination ( ball and rotor speed )?
The main issue is sometimes the ball falls (loses its gravity) without hitting any metal deflector, so what reference then do you consider ?
I have another approach which can be useful, if one can find a dealer who throws the ball with consistent speed, for that short time where the rotor speed is stable (for the sake of roulette we do consider it stable !!!) considering these conditions and with a clever formula we can turn over the game.
If you want we can get in touch privately.
Cheers
Good post ego. Close to my cross reference system. But it needs a dynamic model with permutations to fill in the data gaps, and adapt to change. Otherwise you keep flipping between strong positive edge to strong negative edge. The double edge sword.
Kingmaq, i doubt anyone will give you the complete secrets. There are actually a few valid ways to win, but likely still undiscovered ways.
I suggest take the basics and build from there. The system must adapt to your casino conditions. A good start is visual ballistics, but there's still lots you can do before ball release.
Overall take the major variables and model the correlation. That's basically what all professional systems do. Just some are more thorough.
If anyone wants the hg, here's the closest i know (besides roulette computers) Its how i developed my system...
Use software that tests any amount of data, with whatever variables you can conceive of, and check for statistical anomalies. Check enough data and you will see. Then design a model to predict spin outcomes based on the anomalies.
That's it. The closest i know of to the hg. At the very least it improves player edge on 100% of wheels. However, often the data needed and other factors make wheels unplayable. All things considered you can beat around 30% of wheels, but around 20% have more worthwhile edge. Not the hg, but you don't need to beat every wheel every day.
Steve, thx for your valued thoughts.
I am a software engineer and have good experience in handling big data and data modelling.
I have also my own system which works fine, it achieves with pre-defined dealers a decent success rate, the only thing that for the rest of dealers especially those who spin the ball with multiple speed the success rate drops down sometimes to circa 4 consecutive losses.
Bye
4 consecutive losses is nothing. You can't think in such short term.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 21, 08:13 AM 2017
Good post ego. Close to my cross reference system. But it needs a dynamic model with permutations to fill in the data gaps, and adapt to change. Otherwise you keep flipping between strong positive edge to strong negative edge. The double edge sword.
Steve how come i never find a page where you are teaching or selling visual ballistic methods - i would like to learn more about your cross reference system among other things - the only thing i find when browsing the web is roulette computers ...
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Sep 21, 12:46 PM 2017
Steve how come i never find a page where you are teaching or selling visual ballistic methods - i would like to learn more about your cross reference system among other things - the only thing i find when browsing the web is roulette computers ...
Cheers
my site has a free basic vb technique / roulettephysics.com , but i use it more as a proof of concept. I dont particularly like vb because computers do a much better job. Unless it isnt made well, in which case good vb is more versatile. it doesnt make sense for me to use vb. if im goung to bet after ball release then computers are an easy choice,
Quote from: Steve on Sep 24, 07:58 AM 2017
my site has a free basic vb technique / roulettephysics.com , but i use it more as a proof of concept. I dont particularly like vb because computers do a much better job. Unless it isnt made well, in which case good vb is more versatile. it doesnt make sense for me to use vb. if im goung to bet after ball release then computers are an easy choice,
Steve, you are a computer pro then.
How is it going with you ? Do you play progressions ? How many numbers do you bet on ?
Quote from: ego on Sep 21, 04:09 AM 2017
Well there is methods where you can track and charting a wheel weakness without using any kind of device and i created such a method.
Assume you can narrow down the ball speed and the rotor speed at the same time using indication numbers on the wheel and look at the gap distance pockets do after certain amount of movement with the help of the vertical deflectors - so when ball is over a certain deflector you have a certain number below it ...
With such method you are not as acc as VB but still much better then a simple wheel signature - so is some kind of hybrid where you use both parameters and they key element is in the bias where you find the wheels weak spot or sweet speed.
For each ball spin and rotor combination there is a pattern and some patterns will become better then others predicting the exact outcome - is working like you have distance from A to B. Here you divide the wheel into three large sectors and look at wish one the strongest patterns or hit ratio emerge from. Let me try to explain that again - you get a pattern wish key a specific ball and rotor speed combination and also a reference number - from that reference number that is different for each spin/rotor combination patterns will the the key for how the sector will be divided for each sequence - so the distance remain the same but the sectors and numbers are different each time.
Other names for this metods that are less advance and acc is wheel mapping ...
You need to solve the dominant drop zone and adapt as it change - then change reference deflector ...
Cheers
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 20, 06:49 AM 2017
Hi Geeks,
everyone know that physics can defeat roulette, although using a computer to predict the outcome isnt always possible.
but what if we employ a workaround which should provide us same result?
lets say that we collect so much data/ spins from one wheel and and then we try to use some analytical functions to predict the next outcome... example what is the next number after 12 and 24 have been spun ...
will something work?
From the little time I worked with VB or whatever you call this style of play, it actually does not involve complex calculations or exhaustive data mining.
IMHO, and I remind you that's speaking from 2days of practical experience, what is required for it to work the
1. choice of wheel and 2. the right conditionS must prevail.
I can't comment about claims that ALL wheels can be beaten but up to now I can't see that possible with the shallow knowledge I have now.
Once you have both of that bolded stuff above, then the rest is not difficult. I don't bring along my computer phone, it's not necessary instead I make notes with pen and paper supplied by the casino. It's all about what you SEE with your eyes.
Beat the easy beatable wheels not try to beat ALL wheels. We are not academics trying to proof some theory but shrewd businessman out to make good money.
There're not many easy beatable wheels at the casino, I'm now working on 3wheels from 100+ wheels available with great results.
Today after done the testing I was confident enough to place bets and from <30spins, played 8spins 1fail 7correct done under 30-35mins. My hands were trembling, my heart was beating hard and fast - I don't want it to fail. Yay it did not fail! although the first bet loss that increased the pressure.
Just to share my experience, discussing VB from theorectical point is one thing doing for real with bets on, the practical side gave me a very strange feeling. I'm sure other VBers feel the same.
Hey guys
I was in the last days busy in building up a piece of software which perform all these complicated calculus/simulations you have mentioned, the software is basically a sort of code which runs with a DB and provide the so called "hot number", all what we need is sufficient data (for every run, the software needs to be inputed with the last 4 numbers which came out) and then it will run some equations/simulations and provide the prediction.
everything looks fine with the prototype, but sometimes the result shows up 60 or 120 degree away from the predicted number, this phenomen is apparently because the metal deflector... i have no idea how to solve it.
maybe we can form a taskforce (kingmag, ego, steve and i) to make this go beyond our immagination?
VB is not something you learn from a theorising stance, you're wasting your time. Hypothesising this and that is not the way to go.
You can only learn stuff by practice with actual SEEING with your eyes the wheel, the ball and all that goes on in it. It takes time, observation, the details where you build up your knowledge and experience with practice.
It's like football, you can't learn to stop, dribble, lob or volley a football watching tapes in a classroom. You learn it by playing football on a field. The same with VB, it's all practical.
Quote from: cht on Oct 16, 11:02 AM 2017
VB is not something you learn from a theorising stance, you're wasting your time.
You can only learn stuff by practice with actual SEEING with your eyes the wheel, the ball and all that goes on in it. It takes time, observation, the details where you build up your knowledge and experience with practice.
It's like football, you can't learn to stop, dribble, lob or volley a football watching tapes in a classroom. You learn it by playing football on a field. The same with VB, it's all practical.
VB is cool, but we want to automate it, we want to make it more sustainable.. we simply want it to make us money
@cht. .. What are the right conditions?
Quote from: denzie on Oct 16, 11:24 AM 2017
@cht. .. What are the right conditions?
Do you want a hard, medium or soft spin?
Do you want the rotor speed to be fast, medium or slow?
Do you want the ball to strike the deflector or no?
Do you want bounce more or less ?
Do you want short, medium or long scatter?
The list goes on. The right conditions are the ones that you want so that your predictions are accurate.
Notice I played only 8spins out of 30, those were the right conditions.
The thing is...if I read how ego talking about vb it shows how less I know about it....But. .....
It might sound stupid but after few rounds of the ball I mostly know if it's gonna be a predictable spin. Just by looking at the visible speed and definitely how the dealer spin it.
Still I can't hit as much as you. None the less. .... Still enough to profit. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 16, 11:54 AM 2017
The thing is...if I read how ego talking about vb it shows how less I know about it....But. .....
It might sound stupid but after few rounds of the ball I mostly know if it's gonna be a predictable spin. Just by looking at the visible speed and definitely how the dealer spin it.
Still I can't hit as much as you. None the less. .... Still enough to profit. :thumbsup:
I have modelled all what ego mentioned in a piece of software.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 16, 11:57 AM 2017
I have modelled all what ego mentioned in a piece of software.
What exactly did you create? Can you be specific pls ? Much appreciated
Quote from: denzie on Oct 16, 11:59 AM 2017
What exactly did you create? Can you be specific pls ? Much appreciated
Denzie, i am a software engineer, my expertise is big data and data analysis.
i have a huge database of data mainly spins results, i have used these data with help of some physics equations to estimate the speed of ball and rotor, altogether modelled in a software which require only the last 4 spins to give me the hotzone on which the ball might fall.
the software is basically like a computer, it uses same equations but use the most recent spins to estimate the speed and capture the hotzone.
if you have specific question ask!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 16, 12:06 PM 2017
if you have specific question ask!
A few :)
So you have a database with spins. Alright. How you calculate the speed of ball and rotor from that ? Coz basically you only have the outcome and gaps between the outcome. Did you add something like the average rotations the ball makes ? Or other stuff?
Im curious :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 16, 12:15 PM 2017
A few :)
So you have a database with spins. Alright. How you calculate the speed of ball and rotor from that ? Coz basically you only have the outcome and gaps between the outcome. Did you add something like the average rotations the ball makes ? Or other stuff?
Im curious :thumbsup:
i use newton's motion theories
How's the results of testing so far ?
You need practical ways to measuring the ball speed and i will be honest i only know two ways that might work with todays wheels and conditions
I know many more ways but they are old and predict 6543 laps before drop and are not working with todays conditions
In theory this might work predicting ball at beginning of spin - but is not pure visual ballistics where you estimate the ball later during spin - so this become more a wheel signature way of estimating the ball speed where most of the pins samples of the same category has the same value
Let say you have the reference deflector based upon what kind of drop zone you have - then you wait for the dealer to throw the ball
After ball pass your reference deflector the second time you read the number below the deflector when ball is over it
This is your dealers release number
Now you follow that number and wait until the rotor has made one full rotation and the number is below the deflector again
During this time you count how many ball laps the ball made - for example four laps
Now the ball will not be over the reference number at the exact same spot at the reference deflector
This might happen five pockets from the reference deflector when ball is over reference number
Then you get a pattern for that particular ball spin and rotor length
That would be four ball laps plus five pockets - so next time you get four ball laps and five pockets pattern you will assume you get the same ball speed and rotor speed
But you can only assume you will get similar ball speeds and rotor speeds combinations for each pattern
So assume you collect ten spins with the same pattern - then your assumption is that most of them will become the same spin
Now to get distance from Point A (visual read) you have to notice the number below the reference deflector when ball is over your reference number to get the correct distance to Point B (drop point)
I test this with video spins and getting plus/minus one lap - so this is just theory
Here come the good part - assume that average rotor speeds and average ball speed create four ball laps during one full rotor rotation.
Then if ball/rotor is slower or faster the average you will get more or less laps during one full rotor rotation
So you can easy with eye observation track slow, medium, fast ball/rotor combinations
Now to the one part that i did not have time testing and is also theory
You can do all this with metronome in you mobile phone vibrating every 0.5 sec - then you watch the release number during one vibration and count how many vibration it take until rotor made one full rotation and ball made certain amount of laps until ball and release number meet again (when ball is over release number) lets say your get 21 vibrations then each time you get 21 vibrations you will have the exact same ball speed and rotor speed and the measuring will be very precise.
What you would do is to take the visual with the number below the reference deflector - then from that particular number divide the wheel into three sectors and see in wish one the number fall into - for each spin with the same vibration count or pattern you will get a new visual read number and divide the wheel into three different sectors then the past time - but distance remain the same from point a to point b - so when you see that some hits hit more frequent in one sector you place you bets there
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Oct 17, 05:15 AM 2017
You need practical ways to measuring the ball speed and i will be honest i only know two ways that might work with todays wheels and conditions
I know many more ways but they are old and predict 6543 laps before drop and are not working with todays conditions
In theory this might work predicting ball at beginning of spin - but is not pure visual ballistics where you estimate the ball later during spin - so this become more a wheel signature way of estimating the ball speed where most of the pins samples of the same category has the same value
Let say you have the reference deflector based upon what kind of drop zone you have - then you wait for the dealer to throw the ball
After ball pass your reference deflector the second time you read the number below the deflector when ball is over it
This is your dealers release number
Now you follow that number and wait until the rotor has made one full rotation and the number is below the deflector again
During this time you count how many ball laps the ball made - for example four laps
Now the ball will not be over the reference number at the exact same spot at the reference deflector
This might happen five pockets from the reference deflector when ball is over reference number
Then you get a pattern for that particular ball spin and rotor length
That would be four ball laps plus five pockets - so next time you get four ball laps and five pockets pattern you will assume you get the same ball speed and rotor speed
But you can only assume you will get similar ball speeds and rotor speeds combinations for each pattern
So assume you collect ten spins with the same pattern - then your assumption is that most of them will become the same spin
Now to get distance from Point A (visual read) you have to notice the number below the reference deflector when ball is over your reference number to get the correct distance to Point B (drop point)
I test this with video spins and getting plus/minus one lap - so this is just theory
Here come the good part - assume that average rotor speeds and average ball speed create four ball laps during one full rotor rotation.
Then if ball/rotor is slower or faster the average you will get more or less laps during one full rotor rotation
So you can easy with eye observation track slow, medium, fast ball/rotor combinations
Now to the one part that i did not have time testing and is also theory
You can do all this with metronome in you mobile phone vibrating every 0.5 sec - then you watch the release number during one vibration and count how many vibration it take until rotor made one full rotation and ball made certain amount of laps until ball and release number meet again (when ball is over release number) lets say your get 21 vibrations then each time you get 21 vibrations you will have the exact same ball speed and rotor speed and the measuring will be very precise.
What you would do is to take the visual with the number below the reference deflector - then from that particular number divide the wheel into three sectors and see in wish one the number fall into - for each spin with the same vibration count or pattern you will get a new visual read number and divide the wheel into three different sectors then the past time - but distance remain the same from point a to point b - so when you see that some hits hit more frequent in one sector you place you bets there
Cheers
Thx, but impractical as it is too much complicated.
I have another approach
You talk fuzzy with no example just like a TROLL
I think your knowledge is crap as you can not prove you point knowing anything about visual ballistics.
Is fun to teach when you know they know nothing and i know it all
Here is another way - set the metronome at 1 sec and watch where the ball is on the ball track each time the metronome vibrate
At the beginning you will see the ball at different places on the ball track
When ball two vibration meet and ball is in the same spot at the ball track - then ball has made exactly 1 sec
At this moment you will have 9 sec until ball hit dominant deflector
This way is not working with todays wheels as it predict to late during spin and you will have No More Bets calling
But i have news for you - you can set the metronome at:
1.0
0.9
0.8
0.7
0.6
0.5
And predict before No More Bets - i have test 0.5 and is hard to visually see when ball divide being faster and slower then 0.5 sec - but it can be done with practice - 0.8 is more easy and predict more early then 1.0
Maybe you have a hard time to understand this and find it to complicated - no worry i will explain again
You set the thumper to 0.8 sec and watch the ball position on the ball track each time the metronome vibrate
First ball will be at different places - but when ball is once faster then 0.8 and once slower then 0.8 moment - then it looks like ball is meeting on the ball track and are at the same spot during two vibration from the metronome.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Oct 17, 06:25 AM 2017
You talk fuzzy with no example just like a TROLL
I think your knowledge is crap as you can not prove you point knowing anything about visual ballistics.
Is fun to teach when you know they know nothing and i know it all
Here is another way - set the metronome at 1 sec and watch where the ball is on the ball track each time the metronome vibrate
At the beginning you will see the ball at different places on the ball track
When ball two vibration meet and ball is in the same spot at the ball track - then ball has made exactly 1 sec
At this moment you will have 9 sec until ball hit dominant deflector
This way is not working with todays wheels as it predict to late during spin and you will have No More Bets calling
But i have news for you - you can set the metronome at:
1.0
0.9
0.8
0.7
0.6
0.5
And predict before No More Bets - i have test 0.5 and is hard to visually see when ball divide being faster and slower then 0.5 sec - but it can be done with practice - 0.8 is more easy and predict more early then 1.0
Maybe you have a hard time to understand this and find it to complicated - no worry i will explain again
You set the thumper to 0.8 sec and watch the ball position on the ball track each time the metronome vibrate
First ball will be at different places - but when ball is once faster then 0.8 and once slower then 0.8 moment - then it looks like ball is meeting on the ball track and are at the same spot during two vibration from the metronome.
Cheers
What's wrong with you ?!
Can't you accept critics ???
I just said your approach is impractical, at least for me because I must bet before ball spun ... understood ?
Why not go farther back and study dealer signature.
Is he or she right handed, left handed, or ambidextrous.
Do they throw the ball more consistently cw or ccw.
At which table are they dealing, knowing some tables are mirror imaged so pitbosses can watch two tables at the same time.
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 17, 06:47 AM 2017
Why not go farther back and study dealer signature.
Is he or she right handed, left handed, or ambidextrous.
Do they throw the ball more consistently cw or ccw.
At which table are they dealing, knowing some tables are mirror imaged so pitbosses can watch two tables at the same time.
Online it's easy..pick the wheels with one spin direction.(It's A Huge Time Saver Imo ) Now about dealer signature...It's surprisingly how some dealer spin at the (almost) same speed
Which really plays in our advantage
:thumbsup:
Yeah thats what I thought. Once the consistencies are figured out, you have more constants and less variables to deal with.
Like, the ball and rotor speeds are here being seen as too much variable, and a cause for random outcomes, but they are both effects as well. Dealer consistency makes it easier to predict where the ball will land.
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 21, 08:37 AM 2017
I am a software engineer and have good experience in handling big data and data modelling.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 16, 12:06 PM 2017
Denzie, i am a software engineer, my expertise is big data and data analysis.
Are the two of you the same person with two different user names?
Guys, think of it again..
For every result you have only one combination of rotor &ball speed.
But every combination of speed can produce up to 36 different results, one per each Nummer... so If we can capture all the combinations we will be able to predict the result
It does not matter that the visual read is different number as ball/rotor had same speed - so distance is same for each combination or pattern...
Every number when placing bets will be different - but pocket distance stay the same - so it no like you say with 37 degree freedom.
If you make a list of 10 patterns combinations - then many will repeat for the next 10 - same with metronome
I test this on Cammegh video spins and Bob Gordons video spins
Physics is sometimes easy to describe - if you have rotor speed around 3.0 sec and average ball speed - then all does spins will have same overall pattern for medium spin - that would mean four laps with ball passing reference deflector when rotor has made one full rotation.
I understand the confusion here - assume you would take three reference numbers and then exact same reference number match again
Then you would have the exact same rotor position and exact same ball speed so distance would end up on same sector or area on the wheel with same numbers.
Same as i describe above but sector or area will be different - but distance with pockets from visual read to drop point will be same.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Oct 17, 09:35 AM 2017
It does not matter that the visual read is different number as ball/rotor had same speed - so distance is same for each combination ...
Every number when placing bets will be different - but pocket distance stay the same - so it no like you say with 37 degree freedom.
This is the second time you misunderstand my approach..
In Short, the combination of possible roulette numbers is huge..endless ! But the combination /tuple of speeds is numbered... you got it ?
Roulettbeater (AKA kingmaq) can I draw your attention to this forum rule
8. No multiple IDs - if you are found to have multiple accounts on the forum, all will be removed unless you have permission from admin.
You dont have permission.
I will offer you this. Which name do you wish to continue with and I will ban the other
Quote from: Turner on Oct 17, 10:08 AM 2017
Roulettbeater (AKA kingmaq) can I draw your attention to this forum rule
8. No multiple IDs - if you are found to have multiple accounts on the forum, all will be removed unless you have permission from admin.
You dont have permission.
I will offer you this. Which name do you wish to continue with and I will ban the other
Hi turner, you are a great moderator with and without hat ;$) :twisted:
Sorry for this ;(
I would like to continue using this account "roulettebeater".
Bye
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 10:16 AM 2017
Hi turner, you are a great man with and without hat ;$) :twisted:
Sorry for this ;(
I would like to continue using this account "roulettebeater".
Bye
nay problemo :thumbsup:
Its a partial ban so kingmaq cant log in. your IPs arnt blocked
Seriously, after reading the discussion above, it gives me a headache becos you guys make it so theorectically complicated like learning some astrophysics rocket science in a prestigious uni. If I was to approach AP this way surely I'll give up by now.
To me the main objective is to simplify things as much as possible. When faced with difficult complicated obstacles don't try to solve them with complex equations, just AVOID like the plague that's the best simple effective strategy.
Put up a must have list that includes everything that must be present before the dealer spins the ball.
Next, there's a short must have list when the dealer launches the ball.
For the second list you must make that decision in a split of a second, yes no or maybe ?? Go for the bet or abort with 5secs to go whether the right conditions exist or not. And this call need lots of practice to not make mistakes.
I don't use computers, just my eyes and I coordinate with my partner where I cover half the job and he does the other half. That's it.
Maybe I'm stupid IDK but that's how I do this AP stuff, a little equipment bias, a little dealer signature, a little VB covering the IMPORTANT aspects that determine the final outcome.
Find out with your eyes what those IMPORTANT things are then create your own must have list. This differs from casino to casino and from wheel to wheel. You have to watch a lot of wheels, dealers and how the ball behave to learn this. It's not one size fits all kind of thing, so complicated equations won't do the job. Every wheel combined with every dealer gives it's own outcome, no equation can do that.
The most difficult part is not to beat the wheel. The most difficult part is to beat the mfarking casino !
Hahaha, that's from 3days of 8hrs practical experience. Don't listen to me !!!
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 17, 07:50 AM 2017
Yeah thats what I thought. Once the consistencies are figured out, you have more constants and less variables to deal with.
Hey psimoes, you are definitely on the right track. More constants and less variables to deal with is the way to go. :thumbsup:
Watch the wheel closely, SEE what contributes to chaos. There're plenty, identify them one by one what effect it might have. How to overcome them ? Best simple solution is to AVOID.
If you want easy i can give you easy
The issue with the ball and ball speed is that during the ball journey is very sensitiv - maybe ball travel 16 sec and many things can happen during that time - we call it duration and quality of the ball track
So simple solution like taking release number and observe spin strength from slow, medium or fast is not working and give random results
You have to understand that during the first phase of the spin the ball is chaotic and is not rolling smooth on the ball track
So when spin and ball speed is different then the chaotic state last for different periods of time before starting to rolling on the ball track
Here is one good example of this problem with good visual ballistic solution
Lets say you have a reference deflector that is based upon what kind of dominant drop zone you have
Then when dealer spin the ball you wait until the ball pass your reference deflector the second time and take the dealers release number
Same for each spin
After you have taking the dealers release number you wait for two laps to pass and then take a second reference number and again wait two laps and then take a third release number
Now you get three numbers sequence - a number pattern - when this pattern repeat you will have the same rotor speed and same ball speed
You will also have the same rotor position and distance from your visual read (last reference number) to drop point
So the ball will at most times end up in the same sector or area of the wheel with the same number as the past spin with the same sequence pattern
But remember what i told you about how sensitiv the ball is during that early journey on the ball track
It still at chaotic state and after you have got your sequence pattern then the ball might start to rolling smooth on the ball track
And is then you should estimate and predict the ball speed
Now there is a solution for everything
You can start to notice where they say No More Bets for example six laps before drop
Assume the average spin is around 16 to 20 laps
Then you can skip certain amount of laps from the beginning of the spin to avoid the chaotic state and predict later
Now you just follow the same path for each spin - for example say you skip the first five spins then take release number on lap six for each spin collecting your number sequence patterns
This will make a big difference how well the wheel mapping method will work and your ability to predict the correct sector
No device and only eye observations
You can collect 20 number sequence patterns and play does who repeat
Then you have four number patterns - first release number, second reference number, third reference number and final outcome
Cheers
How many of you have memorize the wheels numbers - i have all of them in my head and can tell what number is next in both directions
If some one want me to teach how to learn them and memorize them during one week of practice just let me know
You can memorize the wheel into larger sectors and use the number sequence with same as phone numbers
But my way is to memorize the wheels number is another more acc way ....
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Oct 17, 11:36 AM 2017
If you want easy i can give you easy
The issue with the ball and ball speed is that during the ball journey is very sensitiv - maybe ball travel 16 sec and many things can happen during that time - we call it duration and quality of the ball track
So simple solution like taking release number and observe spin strength from slow, medium or fast is not working and give random results
You have to understand that during the first phase of the spin the ball is chaotic and is not rolling smooth on the ball track
So when spin and ball speed is different then the chaotic state last for different periods of time before starting to rolling on the ball track
Here is one good example of this problem with good visual ballistic solution
Lets say you have a reference deflector that is based upon what kind of dominant drop zone you have
Then when dealer spin the ball you wait until the ball pass your reference deflector the second time and take the dealers release number
Same for each spin
After you have taking the dealers release number you wait for two laps to pass and then take a second reference number and again wait two laps and then take a third release number
Now you get three numbers sequence - a number pattern - when this pattern repeat you will have the same rotor speed and same ball speed
You will also have the same rotor position and distance from your visual read (last reference number) to drop point
So the ball will at most times end up in the same sector or area of the wheel with the same number as the past spin with the same sequence pattern
But remember what i told you about how sensitiv the ball is during that early journey on the ball track
It still at chaotic state and after you have got your sequence pattern then the ball might start to rolling smooth on the ball track
And is then you should estimate and predict the ball speed
Now there is a solution for everything
You can start to notice where they say No More Bets for example six laps before drop
Assume the average spin is around 16 to 20 laps
Then you can skip certain amount of laps from the beginning of the spin to avoid the chaotic state and predict later
Now you just follow the same path for each spin - for example say you skip the first five spins then take release number on lap six for each spin collecting your number sequence patterns
This will make a big difference how well the wheel mapping method will work and your ability to predict the correct sector
No device and only eye observations
You can collect 20 number sequence patterns and play does who repeat
Then you have four number patterns - first release number, second reference number, third reference number and final outcome
Cheers
Hi ego
You put some good thoughts here, thx
But I'm a lazy person, I don't want I stress myself with all the on the fly/ blazing calculus , I want an automated prediction, I was able to automate almost the work ( searching for these sequenced pattern )... I just need to give the software last few spins until it give me the prediction...
@Roulettebeater
Your data is from live spins?
Does it say dealer change?
Quote from: denzie on Oct 17, 12:29 PM 2017
@Roulettebeater
Your data is from live spins?
Does it say dealer change?
i didn't understand your second question, what you mean?
Your spin data.... Are Those live spins ? And do you know when it was dealer change?
Quote from: denzie on Oct 17, 01:07 PM 2017
Your spin data.... Are Those live spins ? And do you know when it was dealer change?
Denzie,
Live only!
frankly, my dear, i don't give a damn about dealer change!
If you want to see a live demo don't hesitate to ask :)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 01:14 PM 2017
Denzie,
Live only!
frankly, my dear, i don't give a damn about dealer change!
If you want to see a live demo don't hesitate to ask :)
Can you do a video of demo play ?
Can you give some info example hitrate, numbers bet and so on that gives an idea how well it performs ? Thanks
Look here... in one screenshot you can see the results from a roulette wheel, and in the other screenshot you see how the software predicted the result successfuly......guys, it's complicated!
in this case it's hot hit because it picked the same number, sometimes the result is just one or two pockets aside
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 01:32 PM 2017
Look here... in one screenshot you can see the results from a roulette wheel, and in the other screenshot you see how the software predicted the result successfuly......guys, it's complicated!
in this case it's hot hit because it picked the same number, sometimes the result is just one or two pockets aside
Do you notice something about the historical results and the prediction numbers ?
Mark the numbers on a chart wheel to see what I mean. :smile:
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 01:38 PM 2017
Do you notice something about the historical results and the prediction numbers ?
Mark the numbers on a chart wheel to see what I mean. :smile:
Good hint, cht!
i never looked at that!! but i think this might justify why we sometimes get multiple hits in one zone of the wheel!
Guys, here another test.. this time 6 was predicted and the result came 34...just one pocket below
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 01:48 PM 2017
Guys, here another test.. this time 6 was predicted and the result came 34...just one pocket below
Historical is majority top, prediction is majority bottom.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 01:51 PM 2017
Historical is majority top, prediction is majority bottom.
yes,no...maybe :)
I don't give a damn about the numbers, they are so sensitive, even a small effect can push the ball to the neighbour pocket... hopefuly we can cover neighbour numbers
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 21, 08:37 AM 2017
I have also my own system which works fine, it achieves with pre-defined dealers a decent success rate, the only thing that for the rest of dealers especially those who spin the ball with multiple speed the success rate drops down sometimes to circa 4 consecutive losses.
Bye
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 01:14 PM 2017
frankly, my dear, i don't give a damn about dealer change!
ROTFL
make up your mind :twisted:
Dealers do make a lot of difference. There's the senior dealer whose spins are more smooth, stable and consistent. The junior dealers are inconsistent and they usually go for long hard spins.
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 17, 01:58 PM 2017
ROTFL
make up your mind :twisted:
psimoes, it seems you want to spoil this thread, i didn't forget your offense last time, you were the reason i was moderated last time.. if you have something useful or constructive say otherwise leave this thread... clear??????
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 02:02 PM 2017
Dealers do make a lot of difference. There's the senior dealer whose spins are more smooth, stable and consistent. The junior dealers are inconsistent and they usually go for long hard spins.
Dealers consistency is useful if you use VB... i don't rely on VB.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 02:02 PM 2017
Dealers do make a lot of difference. There's the senior dealer whose spins are more smooth, stable and consistent. The junior dealers are inconsistent and they usually go for long hard spins.
Agreed, but there´s a caveat: Senior dealers are also more experienced and able to hit/avoid sectors whenever they want to.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 02:05 PM 2017
psimoes, it seems you want to spoil this thread, i didn't forget your offense last time, you were the reason i was moderated last time.. if you have something useful or constructive say otherwise leave this thread... clear??????
It´s clear you´re a troll and you deserve to be banned.
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 17, 02:25 PM 2017
It´s clear you´re a troll and you deserve to be banned.
Get out this thread, get out NOWWWWWWW, your offense has been reported ...
you have no permission to comment my thread... this thread for constructive and POLITE people but you are a LOSER.
troll gets a taste of own medicine. plays victim. numbnuts
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 17, 02:40 PM 2017
troll gets a taste of own medicine. plays victim. numbnuts
You're wound up too tight...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 02:32 PM 2017you are a LOSER.
why you never learn? Why you come back? You be moderated / banned again.... this time for good, i hope .....
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 17, 02:47 PM 2017why you never learn? Why you come back? You be moderated / banned again.... time time for good, i hope .....
Ignatus, go simply go and don't come back to my threads...
Don't stick your nose were it don't belong
Please don't write in my thread ...understood ?
FROM THE END AND FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR ROULETTE'S GOD THIS THREAD IS FOR POLITE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONSTUCTIVE IDEAS.... ANY KIND OF OFFENSE WILL BE REPORTED
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 02:49 PM 2017Please don't write in my thread ...understood ?
You don't tell me what to do or not to do, this is a free forum,...(but not for those who are offending and bullying others).
You have been reported to moderator.
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 17, 02:54 PM 2017You don't tell me what to do or not to do, this is a free forum,...(but not for those who are offending and bullying others).
I and denzie were gentle to stop writing your thread when you asked us to do so... why don't want to be like us "?
you have been also reported to moderator
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 02:55 PM 2017you have been also reported to moderator
ha ha.. alright, good luck with that ! :D
kingmaq was told to never eat the yellow snow but roulettebeater didn´t get the memo
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 17, 02:57 PM 2017I and denzie were gentle to stop writing your thread when you asked us to do so... why don't want to be like us "?
@Ignatus..I and denzie were gentle to stop writing your thread when you asked us to do so... why don't want to be like us "?
Alright each in there corner.
Troll or no troll....ignatus Your a crybaby. I'm gonna tell mommy. Boohoo. Seriously go to your stuff when we get 3 reds then bet 7 square kinda stuff. I'll bet you got kicked around in school. Lol.
Now back on topic.... Can you explain how it makes the calculations for the next spin ? It might be complicated but let's hear it.
And for me personally a dealer does half the work. If he's busy he's mostly consistent with his spins.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 17, 03:08 PM 2017
Alright each in there corner.
Troll or no troll....ignatus Your a crybaby. I'm gonna tell mommy. Boohoo. Seriously go to your stuff when we get 3 reds then bet 7 square kinda stuff. I'll bet you got kicked around in school. Lol.
Now back on topic.... Can you explain how it makes the calculations for the next spin ? It might be complicated but let's hear it.
And for me personally a dealer does half the work. If he's busy he's mostly consistent with his spins.
YAY, YOU ROCK!
YES WE CAN DO IT ...
Denzie,
Steve's computer use some physics equations/formulas to spot the hot numbers, now if you want to study All together you need to have bright skills in physics and it might take long time untill you understand everything.
Now suppose you can take the whole modelling implemented in steve's computer to a software based on some java code and a lot of analytical functions so you narrow down the speed to a very consistent speed and try to simulate all possible results and finally will filter them based on some found patterns...sounds impossible but i can assure you it does work.. it might fail for one or two spins but thats tolerable.
Steve's computer work only on-field and is purely real-time physics.
The software can work offline (for live wheels) and is strengthened by the principles of chaos theory
Roulette computers does complex physics calculations then make predictions.
If this computer were used by skilled VBers who knows how to pick the ideal wheel, the preferred dealer and play the more predictable spins, I suspect the computers performance will excel. Just a thought.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 03:44 PM 2017
Roulette computers does complex physics calculations then make predictions.
If this computer were used by skilled VBers who knows how to pick the ideal wheel, the preferred dealer and play the more predictable spins, I suspect the computers performance will excel. Just a thought.
The same complex physics caluclations implemented in the computer has been modelled in the software..
another test..
result was 1 and prediction was 20 ... one pocket below
So now the million dollar question. ..
How do we become millionaire's?
>:D
There is another basic system which has nothing to do with physics or calculus, basically it's a 20 dynamic/rotation numbers bet, you keeping playing the master version when it fails you play the reverse-engineered (slave version) of it...
Quote from: denzie on Oct 17, 03:58 PM 2017
So now the million dollar question. ..
How do we become millionaire's?
>:D
I think steve is the correct person to answer this :)
Quote from: denzie on Oct 17, 03:58 PM 2017
So now the million dollar question. ..
How do we become millionaire's?
>:D
Casinos won't allow you. The only way is to get under their surveillance.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 04:06 PM 2017
Casinos won't allow you. The only way is to get under their surveillance.
Well, that's a good concern..
i always wondered how to win so much in the shortest possible time... until i found out that the best way to win much is to keep winning regardless of the achieved profit :)
A lot of posts reported. Get on with each other FFS
Its like listening to a bunch of old women
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Look, her in the middle is starting already
Quote from: denzie on Oct 17, 03:08 PM 2017
Troll or no troll....ignatus Your a crybaby. I'm gonna tell mommy. Boohoo. Seriously go to your stuff when we get 3 reds then bet 7 square kinda stuff. I'll bet you got kicked around in school. Lol.
Denzie I remember you as a nice guy...
"If a man thinks he is not conceited, he is very conceited indeed.†C.S Lewis
It seems to me that you are looking at Ignatus from above. If I may offer any advice it would be that you shouldnt look at anyone from above if you do not have a plan to raise him... I hope that makes sense.
Quote from: Drazen on Oct 19, 02:18 PM 2017
Denzie I remember you as a nice guy...
"If a man thinks he is not conceited, he is very conceited indeed.†C.S Lewis
It seems to me that you are looking at Ignatus from above. If I may offer any advice it would be that you shouldnt look at anyone from above if you do not have a plan to raise him... I hope that makes sense.
so what?
Before you tell what he did wrong, you should first know why he wrote that....ok?
don't offend densie please !
Take care &bye
RB
I certainly didnt meant any offense to anyone.
If you missed the point, it is that we all should act like that. I understand that no one wants to give away what he found if he managed to beat the game (definiton of this may differentiate from person to person maybe), but also there might be less discussions with so inflated egos.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 17, 03:49 PM 2017
The same complex physics caluclations implemented in the computer has been modelled in the software..
another test..
result was 1 and prediction was 20 ... one pocket below
Could you say what software do you use?
I'll appreciate it!
Hey guys
Let's assume the same number hits 3 times in a row. We would have the exact same rotor position and exact same ball speed?
So, can we predict the sector based on these data?
No because even if speeds were totally different and random, it is still normal to have a number 3 times in a row sometimes.
When you see a number spin, the odds of it spinning again next is 1 in 37. Then when you see 2 in a row, the odds of it happening again are 1 in 37.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 24, 07:37 PM 2017
No because even if speeds were totally different and random, it is still normal to have a number 3 times in a row sometimes.
When you see a number spin, the odds of it spinning again next is 1 in 37. Then when you see 2 in a row, the odds of it happening again are 1 in 37.
I did not understand. Evebody knows the odds, but...
Can you be clear?
Quote from: Steve on Oct 24, 07:37 PM 2017
No because even if speeds were totally different and random, it is still normal to have a number 3 times in a row sometimes.
When you see a number spin, the odds of it spinning again next is 1 in 37. Then when you see 2 in a row, the odds of it happening again are 1 in 37.
Yup, But remember that one combination and only one can unlock the Blackbox.
In other words, in case of 3 appearances of same number, the wheel produced one unique combination of the same (rotor&ball speed) or three different combination of different speed setting
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 25, 07:53 AM 2017
Yup, But remember that one combination and only one can unlock the Blackbox.
In other words, in case of 3 appearances of same number, the wheel produced one unique combination of the same (rotor&ball speed) or three different combination of different speed setting
Kingmaq?
Hey, What's up
What's the name of the software you are using? I'm curious...
I have a question that does not come out of my head.
Suppose a software can predict roulette sectors. For this the wheel has to start spinning. But when the wheel is already spinning it will not be able to place the bets anymore.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 25, 12:20 PM 2017
I have a question that does not come out of my head.
Suppose a software can predict roulette sectors. For this the wheel has to start spinning. But when the wheel is already spinning it will not be able to place the bets anymore.
Nay problemo!
you need a software that give prediction in less than 5 secs and you bet only on a wheel that has 10 seconds time to bet after ball spinning
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 25, 11:47 AM 2017you need a software that give prediction in less than 5 secs and you bet only on a wheel that has 10 seconds time to bet after ball spinning
sorry my friend, the software i developed by myself.
I'm testing a software through videos of roulettes recorded on YouTube. The software works very well predicting the roulette sectors. But the ball in the roulette spins too fast and I have to wait to slow down because I have to press each time the ball pass zero (3 times). In a real roulette I can't wait for the ball to spin slower to start using the software. Another problem I'm having is that I can't find roulettes that give me enough time to place the bets after the roulette starts spinning. Can anyone with software experience help me solve these two problems? I'll appreciate it!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 26, 04:36 PM 2017
I'm testing a software through videos of roulettes recorded on YouTube. The software works very well predicting the roulette sectors. But the ball in the roulette spins too fast and I have to wait to slow down because I have to press each time the ball pass zero (3 times). In a real roulette I can't wait for the ball to spin slower to start using the software. Another problem I'm having is that I can't find roulettes that give me enough time to place the bets after the roulette starts spinning. Can anyone with software experience help me solve these two problems? I'll appreciate it!
why you complicating your life? why you want to beat roulette everytime?
let the roulette beats you a few times, so that the game becomes a fair play
If you expect the roulette to be fair with you because you are fair, you're fooling yourself. that's like expecting the roulette not to beat you because you didn't beat it
Fair play with roulette... lol Funny guy!
I'm using a computer predictor and it works very well.
My question is: How getting predictions before "no more bets" is called?
Where can I find a wheel that has 10 seconds time to bet after ball spinning?
Can someone help with these questions?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 27, 12:12 PM 2017
Fair play with roulette... lol Funny guy!
I'm using a computer predictor and it works very well.
My question is: How getting predictions before "no more bets" is called?
Where can I find a wheel that has 10 seconds time to bet after ball spinning?
Can someone help with these questions?
Andre what's the name of the software u using and is it free ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 12:53 PM 2017
Andre what's the name of the software u using and is it free ?
It's not a free software. I paid for it and it works great. He predicts about 90% of the spins. I'm practicing several hours a day and the predictions are getting accurate.
The software works very well predicting the roulette sectors. I have to press each time the ball pass zero (3 times). I can't find roulettes that give me enough time to place the bets after the roulette starts spinning.
The software works similarly Steve's 2500$ software.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 27, 01:07 PM 2017
It's not a free software. I paid for it and it works great. He predicts about 90% of the spins. I'm practicing several hours a day and the predictions are getting accurate.
The software works very well predicting the roulette sectors. I have to press each time the ball pass zero (3 times). I can't find roulettes that give me enough time to place the bets after the roulette starts spinning.
Nice, and how much u paid for it ?
Is it a web based software or you have it on your desktop ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 01:53 PM 2017
Nice, and how much u paid for it ?
Is it a web based software or you have it on your desktop ?
I have it on my smartphone. I did not believe in computer predictions but this software made me change my mind.
We can trade information and experiences if you want.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 27, 02:09 PM 2017
I have it on my smartphone. I did not believe in computer predictions but this software made me change my mind.
We can trade information and experiences if you want.
great. lets do it.
check your mb
Hi Andre ....
What is the name if your software
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4c6Q4LkbObA
A good place to practice. I've been practicing for about 15 hours and the predictions are getting more and more accurate
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 27, 05:28 PM 2017
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4c6Q4LkbObA
A good place to practice. I've been practicing for about 15 hours and the predictions are getting more and more accurate
Good is good, even when people are not, but who knows.
so here you predicting 4 numbers. the point is, how you placing the chips to cover these 4 numbers?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 05:51 PM 2017
Good is good, even when people are not, but who knows.
I did not understand what you mean...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 05:51 PM 2017
Good is good, even when people are not, but who knows.
so here you predicting 4 numbers. the point is, how you placing the chips to cover these 4 numbers?
It's not me in the video. I use the video to practice the software I bought. Forget the numbers that are predicted in the video. I use the spins to practice.
Check your mb
So I bought a software that doesn't work online roulettes? Can someone help me to solve this problem?
I can predict the numbers but I don't have enough time to bet.
All computers rely on the player clicking the button and the green zero ball comes around. This takes the timings of revolutions. If you have ample time to make clicks, then you can click for many revolutions and reduce timing errors to almost nothing. But then you will not have enough time to bet.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 27, 10:42 PM 2017
I can predict the numbers but I don't have enough time to bet.
But then you will not have enough time to bet.
That is the crux of the practical problem of how to use these products in real life settings. If you want to increase the accuracy of predictions, you will need to record more revolutions, which will in turn require more time.
But then you will not have enough time to place the bets. Look around various online casinos and see if one of them gives a few extra (and precious) seconds before saying, "No more bets."
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Oct 28, 02:30 AM 2017
That is the crux of the practical problem of how to use these products in real life settings. If you want to increase the accuracy of predictions, you will need to record more revolutions, which will in turn require more time.
But then you will not have enough time to place the bets. Look around various online casinos and see if one of them gives a few extra (and precious) seconds before saying, "No more bets."
I have a 6th sense which is gut feeling. It works very well for me. My stock phrase with family and friends is " told you so" which never goes down well.
People dont want to read the manual. They dive in....crash and burn then ask if anyone has seen the manual for this.
I am the manual. Its how my head works.
My gut feeling on this is.....
In UK no one uses VB or computers.
The main punters in casinos are asian taxi drivers and chinese waiters.
Nottohammer names plasterers.
Its a glut of idiots swarming the table building scale models of New York City with chips.
Here you will get the longest time to "no more bets"
Here....you cant get to the table, let alone see the wheel to use a computer or smart phone.
If its quiet...and you can sit at the table, there will be less time for last bets. The dealer is relaxed and him and the pit boss have lots of relaxation time to see exactly what you are doing
Its a catch 22
Actually, it's very simple to employ an advanced play to make money.
it's simple, all what you need to do is dedicate your life to making money and you lose out on everything else.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 27, 10:42 PM 2017
So I bought a software that doesn't work online roulettes? Can someone help me to solve this problem?
I can predict the numbers but I don't have enough time to bet.
All computers rely on the player clicking the button and the green zero ball comes around. This takes the timings of revolutions. If you have ample time to make clicks, then you can click for many revolutions and reduce timing errors to almost nothing. But then you will not have enough time to bet.
Andre, don't be in rush.
i have a solution for you.. check mb
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 28, 07:23 AM 2017
Andre, don't be in rush.
i have a solution for you.. check mb
Hey my friend
Check your mb
I found some online casinos that give a few extra seconds (10 sec) before "no more bets" is called but they don't give me full view of the roulette wheel so I can't use the software I bought to predict the numbers.
Wtf
Sorry my bad
No problem.
I have a workaround
Quote from: Steve on Nov 01, 04:08 AM 2017
Sorry my bad
Steve, you're a funny guy. You sell roulette software, you know the problem I'm reporting and keep selling your products knowing the difficulty of using them. And all you have to say is "sorry my bad". Only a fool like me would buy your product after seeing your comment about it.
I know your pain my friend.
But believe me there is a light at the end of the tunnel
If you ready let me know
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 01, 01:06 PM 2017
But believe me there is a light at the end of the tunnel
Ah, yes, the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel ...... in reality, it might be an onrushing train hurtling straight at you and your bankroll.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Nov 01, 03:09 PM 2017
Ah, yes, the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel ...... in reality, it might be an onrushing train hurtling straight at you and your bankroll.
I always wondered what was all that whistle all the time!!
:'( :thumbsup: :xd: O0 :lol: :twisted:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 01, 12:01 PM 2017
Steve, you're a funny guy. You sell roulette software, you know the problem I'm reporting and keep selling your products knowing the difficulty of using them. And all you have to say is "sorry my bad". Only a fool like me would buy your product after seeing your comment about it.
Ok.
1. Roulette computers are why most online casinos close bets before ball release.
2. Many online casinos allowed bets after ball release. This changed as a direct result of what my teams did to them.
3. The vast majority of real casinos allow late betting because the vast majority of players lose more. Casinos know even if the occasional computer team wins, most other players still lose. So they allow late bets still, and only change that temporarily if they suspect computer use.
Online casinos are more paranoid because they can't see the player.
4. My computers can get prediction 1 second after ball release. The hybrid can do this online and automatically place bets. The app you have is not what I'd call a computer.
Ok, I will buy your 80.000,00 hybrid computer...
link:s://:.hybridroulettecomputer.com/comment-page-1/
Quote from: Steve on Nov 01, 05:17 PM 2017
4. My computers can get prediction 1 second after ball release. The hybrid can do this online and automatically place bets. The app you have is not what I'd call a computer.
Believe it or not I can predict a wheel sector in about 5 seconds using the app.
And the more I practice the more the results are accurate.
Whats wrong with ur system? Earning $100 / day is it not enough? I think its a good amount if u can get everyday. 3k a month almost like a salary.
Place a bet for sector. U lose. Wait for next sector. Keep tracking the sectors. When you predict the same sector after a certain time where you lose before press rebet. This might help. I dont know whats your real situation is.?
Quote from: Madi on Nov 01, 06:27 PM 2017
Place a bet for sector. U lose. Wait for next sector. Keep tracking the sectors. When you predict the same sector after a certain time where you lose before press rebet. This might help. I dont know whats your real situation is.?
I bet after four virtual losses.
Quote from: Madi on Nov 01, 06:22 PM 2017
Whats wrong with ur system? Earning $100 / day is it not enough? I think its a good amount if u can get everyday. 3k a month almost like a salary.
Actually I'm earning $200/day a single bet of 1.600 covering 32 numbers and waiting a sector (5 numbers) hit four times the I place the bet
Wht u bet? The sector or all other number against sector? Whats the specific number ur sector got?
U r doing very good then. Just keep earning.
Quote from: Madi on Nov 01, 06:38 PM 2017
Wht u bet? The sector or all other number against sector? Whats the specific number ur sector got?
Take a look my previous thread
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19490.0
This is as early as possible. The betting bot makes all bets automatically in about 0.5s.
Other online casinos give much more time. Again you can beat online casinos with it easily but sometimes they refuse payouts, and you need multiple accounts etc. Its much better in real casinos.
PS the video I used in the test wasnt mine. It was just some random youtube video to show what i meant
Ye i like ur strategy but in opposite way. Rather thatn wait for 4 loses i would be happy to bet 3 times in that 5 number sector.
Quote from: Madi on Nov 01, 06:47 PM 2017
Ye i like ur strategy but in opposite way. Rather thatn wait for 4 loses i would be happy to bet 3 times in that 5 number sector.
That's why I'm looking for a way and roulette casinos to use the software. If the software predicts at least half the wheel, I would bet $180 (18 numbers) to win $180 ($360)
How many number u can bet best within that time? Or you cant bet any number?
Quote from: Steve on Nov 01, 06:46 PM 2017
This is as early as possible. The betting bot makes all bets automatically in about 0.5s.
Other online casinos give much more time. Again you can beat online casinos with it easily but sometimes they refuse payouts, and you need multiple accounts etc. Its much better in real casinos.
PS the video I used in the test wasnt mine. It was just some random youtube video to show what i meant
Nice!
Steve, could you suggest real online casinos?
I just found DublinBet that have real online casinos but I have not tried yet because my internet connection is having technical problems.
Quote from: Madi on Nov 01, 07:16 PM 2017
How many number u can bet best within that time? Or you cant bet any number?
I did not understand your question
After tracking the sector with sofware can you bet some of your number? Number can be within the sector or against? If yes then how many number u can bet max within the time limit?
That's why you will never be "a millionaire" playing roulette with or without computer predictor...
While we aren’t experts, we imagine that spotting a player using a computer would not be very difficult. A computer player will only ever be placing winning bets after the ball has been released and just before “no more bets†is announced.
They may place some losing bets before the ball is released to try and “blend in†but that doesn’t change the fact that their winning bets will constantly be placed after the ball has been released. Casino staff aren’t dummies; your every move is watched and this kind of behaviour over a prolonged period will almost certainly raise eyebrows.
Then there’s the ear piece which is a potential giveaway. They are small and hard to spot, but if a member of the security staff suspects you of using a computer and shines a flashlight in your ear, they will almost certainly spot it and then the game’s up; you will be told to leave. If you’re in a jurisdiction where the use of a computer is illegal, the police will be called and you’ll end up in jail.
Even if a casino suspects you of using a computer but can’t prove it, they are still within their right to ban you; they don’t need to prove anything or justify their motives.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 01, 11:37 PM 2017
That's why you will never be "a millionaire" playing roulette with or without computer predictor...
While we aren’t experts, we imagine that spotting a player using a computer would not be very difficult. A computer player will only ever be placing winning bets after the ball has been released and just before “no more bets†is announced.
They may place some losing bets before the ball is released to try and “blend in†but that doesn’t change the fact that their winning bets will constantly be placed after the ball has been released. Casino staff aren’t dummies; your every move is watched and this kind of behaviour over a prolonged period will almost certainly raise eyebrows.
Then there’s the ear piece which is a potential giveaway. They are small and hard to spot, but if a member of the security staff suspects you of using a computer and shines a flashlight in your ear, they will almost certainly spot it and then the game’s up; you will be told to leave. If you’re in a jurisdiction where the use of a computer is illegal, the police will be called and you’ll end up in jail.
Even if a casino suspects you of using a computer but can’t prove it, they are still within their right to ban you; they don’t need to prove anything or justify their motives.
Exactly. It's not about theoretically beating wheels with rc or AP. The core issue is the practical aspect.
For online live casinos, there's hardly any wheel that allow <5secs from spin to nmb. Majority of wheels spin after nmb you can check that out yourself. Within that 5secs from spin, say rc takes 1-2secs to give the numbers to bet you're left with only <3secs to place your bets. Is that possible where you might have to click a few times at the correct squares ? I do it for real and I'm qualified to say ofc NO it's not possible. Even that <5secs is not consistent and spins do occur right at nmb.
For b&m casino, where you've the rc with you there's no way the security guys will not catch you easily, it's stupid to think otherwise. If it's illegal you'll be facing jail term. They can ban you, security will read you the trespass laws.
There's only one way and even this way the casino knows about it. Here's how you do it.
Place your bet before spin. When spin launch decide if that's the bet you want to place, if yes do nothing, if no click the undo button twice to clear all bets. After that you can use the repeat button. This method can only be used with online casino and b&m electronic table games. No rc, use a little wheel bias, a little dealer signature and finally a little VB. Find a few wheels rotate your play. Do this if it's worth your time.
I can't do this method anymore with online casinos becos the undo button remove 1 chip at a time WTF! :o
and I can tell you some tables allow 10 secs...
@Andre
Your app gives you 4 numbers which are split everywhere in the wheel and do not lay in one particular half of the wheel, how can you playing only one half of the wheel, sorry i don't get this !
Bye
You made some pretty big assumptions. It's very easy win $5000 or so without any suspicion. Winning $50,000 isnt that difficult either. In one session. It just takes suitable conditions. We do it all the time. We arent the only players who seemingly got lucky on a few spins.
We can use phone vibrations without needing earpieces.
It make me really laugh when people say they have no time or better short time to place bets, this is the easiest part of the task, at least for me...and the 10 secs time after ball spun is enough
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 03:37 AM 2017
and I can tell you some tables allow 10 secs...
Which casino pls ?
I play dragonara wheel at dublinbet. They changed the undo button to remove 1chip at a time. >:(
Quote from: cht on Nov 02, 08:29 AM 2017
Which casino pls ?
I play dragonara wheel at dublinbet. They changed the undo button to remove 1chip at a time. >:(
Tell more so I can help you better ..
How do you play ? How many numbers you bet?
How are the numbers distributed ? Are they neighbours ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 09:28 AM 2017
Tell more so I can help you better ..
How do you play ? How many numbers you bet?
How are the numbers distributed ? Are they neighbours ?
I play simple repeaters method I describe here.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17115.msg185479#msg185479
I place 7-8numbers bet before spin then decide yes or no when dealer spins. The numbers are in a few clusters, not necessary neighbours. Take a look at the example posted in that thread. I'm searching for online wheels to play if you or anyone can help. :question:
Quote from: cht on Nov 02, 09:53 AM 2017
I play simple repeaters method I describe here.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17115.msg185479#msg185479
I place 7-8numbers bet before spin then decide yes or no when dealer spins. The numbers are in a few clusters, not necessary neighbours. Take a look at the example posted in that thread. I'm searching for online wheels to play if you or anyone can help. :question:
I have no time to read 17 pages threads
Would you mind writing me a summary of your method?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 03:46 AM 2017
@Andre
Your app gives you 4 numbers which are split everywhere in the wheel and do not lay in one particular half of the wheel, how can you playing only one half of the wheel, sorry i don't get this !
Bye
You're wrong! I never said the software gives me 4 numbers which are split everywhere in the wheel.
The software can predict a wheel sector and you have the option to control the number the generated numbers (Max 6 numbers).
How I said before it needs practicing several hours to the predictions gets accurate.
Training of the speed which the ball finally leaves the upper ring
It works with the help of a user input by pressing the button each time the ball pass 0 (green), the app calculate the speed and acceleration of the ball, with that information, the app will provide the predicted numbers.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 10:09 AM 2017
I have no time to read 17 pages threads
Would you mind writing me a summary of your method?
Click on link below will take you direct to post 238 where I describe how I play.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17115.msg185479#msg185479
Quote from: cht on Nov 02, 08:29 AM 2017
Which casino pls ?
I play dragonara wheel at dublinbet. They changed the undo button to remove 1chip at a time. >:(
Steve knows but he refuses to help.
Andre
But your app predicts 4 or 6 numbers ?
I think the app you have bought works the same as my program i have developed.
Mine predicts only 4 numbers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 02, 10:15 AM 2017
you have the option to control the number the generated numbers (max 6 numbers).
I have a small problem with my 4 predicted numbers which are split everywhere on wheel.
Sometimes the number doesn't hit but it's neighbors !
How are you solving this problem ???
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 11:46 AM 2017
I have a small problem with my 4 predicted numbers which are split everywhere on wheel.
Sometimes the number doesn't hit but it's neighbors !
How are you solving this problem ???
Most computer players will then bet not only on the number that was predicted, but the surrounding numbers as well so that the entire section is covered. For example, if the prediction was number 7, you would bet 18 â€" 29 â€" 7 â€" 28 â€" 12. If the casino allows it, you could do this quickly via Neighbour bets.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 02, 12:06 PM 2017
Most computer players will then bet not only on the number that was predicted, but the surrounding numbers as well so that the entire section is covered. For example, if the prediction was number 7, you would bet 18 â€" 29 â€" 7 â€" 28 â€" 12. If the casino allows it, you could do this quickly via Neighbour bets.
Andre my friend
Suppose you have these 4 numbers :
7-25-13-33
How are you going to cover them ??
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 12:07 PM 2017
Andre my friend
Suppose you have these 4 numbers :
7-25-13-33
How are you going to cover them ??
For example, the software predicted the numbers 35, 3, 26, 0, 32, 15.
So you bet these numbers and the neighbors.
7, 28, 12, ..…......................, 19, 4, 21
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 12:07 PM 2017
Andre my friend
Suppose you have these 4 numbers :
7-25-13-33
How are you going to cover them ??
I want that you tell me how you bet on
The numbers above !
Thank you
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 12:24 PM 2017
I want that you tell me how you bet on
The numbers above !
Thank you
7, 25, 13, 33
29, 7, 28
2, 25, 17
27, 13, 36
16, 33, 1
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 02, 12:30 PM 2017
7, 25, 13, 33
29, 7, 28
2, 25, 17
27, 13, 36
16, 33, 1
Ok I know, you want only one neighbour, what if the second neighbour number hits, believe me it happens !!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 12:56 PM 2017
Ok I know, you want only one neighbour, what if the second neighbour number hits, believe me it happens !!
So you have to bet more neighbour numbers...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 02, 01:01 PM 2017
So you have to bet more neighbour numbers...
Here is the trap !
If you increase the neighbours you are already by 20 numbers covered!
Does it still make sense ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 01:03 PM 2017
Here is the trap !
If you increase the neighbours you are already by 20 numbers covered!
Does it still make sense ?
Then you should accept the loss. Roulette computers can also have some consecutive losses. The purpose of software is to earn more than lose. Software computers are not invincible and can also make wrong predictions. That is why it is necessary a lot of training.
Steve knows that!
36 W
35 W
27 -
6 W
11 W
11 W
17 -
1 -
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26 W
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25 W
W=22
L=8
NO-PLAY=40
A typical session, note the no-play are high as placing bets was risky due to some certain conditions
Andre, so you use in play Jafco device ?
11 W
36 W
17 L
13 L
7 -
20 -
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34 -
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W=25
L=13
NO-PLAY=56
Hitrate ~ 75%
I often say any tool is only as good as its user. You need to understand settings, limitations and correct use.
And yes of course computers can have consecutive losses.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 02, 05:37 PM 2017
I often say any tool is only as good as its user. You need to understand settings, limitations and correct use.
And yes of course computers can have consecutive losses.
yup, i'm ok with the setting i am familiar with, and when bet isn't >=50% secure i skip it (-)
with 75% Hitrate i should be doing fine.. or?
I dont know enough about your method to give advice. But generally if you know the variables where spins are more predictable, then yes isolate to them. But this means you need to skip spins. Usually with my computers we only use the advanced settings which can skip less profitable spins if we really need extra edge. The downside is then play can take longer. But you need to often skip spins to avoid detection anyway, depending on the method you're using. There are a lot of variables and again I dont know enough about what you do.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 01:03 PM 2017
Here is the trap !
If you increase the neighbours you are already by 20 numbers covered!
Does it still make sense ?
You are getting a good idea of one of the biggest problems with this method. When you are targeting certain numbers, their neighbors get hit !
To mitigate that problem, you think about betting their neighbors also -- and then you are betting too many numbers and if the hits don't come early, you face the inevitable eventuality of getting sucked into the whirlpool of negative progressions.
It is a practical conundrum, for sure -- and there are no easy solutions.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Nov 02, 06:51 PM 2017
You are getting a good idea of one of the biggest problems with this method. When you are targeting certain numbers, their neighbors get hit !
To mitigate that problem, you think about betting their neighbors also -- and then you are betting too many numbers and if the hits don't come early, you face the inevitable eventuality of getting sucked into the whirlpool of negative progressions.
It is a practical conundrum, for sure -- and there are no easy solutions.
yeah, and you dont realize until you get screwed!
but i have found a workaround, i am skiping a lot of bets where the distribution of numbers isn't uniform.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 02, 05:51 PM 2017
I dont know enough about your method to give advice. But generally if you know the variables where spins are more predictable, then yes isolate to them. But this means you need to skip spins. Usually with my computers we only use the advanced settings which can skip less profitable spins if we really need extra edge. The downside is then play can take longer. But you need to often skip spins to avoid detection anyway, depending on the method you're using. There are a lot of variables and again I dont know enough about what you do.
skiping spins is a useful tactics. Besides all its advantages, it teaches you to become disciplined.
playing longer isn't a problem, some tables can spin up to 40 spins per 30 minutes, so a play of 1 hour a day is enough to make some $.
Skipping spins is the way to go. To extact a list of 33numbers I skip plenty of spins. Yea it takes longer time(2-3hrs) per session but the trade off is higher reliability and consistency from less differing variables.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 07:20 PM 2017skiping spins is a useful tactics. Besides all its advantages, it teaches you to become disciplined.
All depends acordingly which criteriums you do that skiping, if criteriums are wrong - all tactic is wrong.
Say in mine play i not see any logic in skiping, because i not know how ball will behave in very end of spin , how it will jump so i play on what it do in averidge/ in most cases.
So if i skip then looks like i skip what is in most cases and that is not good .
All predictions in VB is based on fact that in future will be the same like in past. The same as in bias we collect data and play what that old data show as more often event. More criteriums we use - more exact are our predictions.
Of course can be that from old data we see that when say wheel speed is 5 sec or slover and 3 sec or faster we more often miss. So we can skip such wheel speeds, but really that very rare hapends, practicaly such not must be....
Numbers aren't representative, you can get same result with multiple settings , the dealer can produce same distribution with endless trials, the casino know that very well. Professional players don't focus much on output, they focus instead on inputs
QuoteNumbers aren't representative, you can get same result with multiple settings , the dealer can produce same distribution with endless trials, the casino know that very well. Professional players don't focus much on output, they focus instead on inputs
To who you that adress ? Absolute not clear what you want to say ?
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Nov 03, 06:44 AM 2017
To who you that adress ? Absolute not clear what you want to say ?
I'm sorry if you don't get what I wrote.
Do we have here a talented guy who can tell us, how does the casino change the rotor speed ?
The wheel has motor which keeps changing the rotor speed... but is this a predefined process or completely random?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 03, 07:42 AM 2017The wheel has motor which keeps changing the rotor speed... but is this a predefined process or completely random?
Ok till now wheels with RRS are not much. I can even say that i not meet them. Was one wheel in one casino where i played, but they simply taked out, because people simply not played on it, so casino had big damage.
I slight know how they works - they are not absolute random, at least till now. You simply measure speed many time and all will be clear for you, how that wheel behave, how program behave. maybe somebody can operate with program and all change , but all that we can see .
Practically possible to make such program that it will be absolute random, but that is stick with two ends - what if casino on normal tables have say million benefit per week , but after change only 500 000 simply because peoples less play ??? I saw such situattion...
That's why I've been saying to observe their operational protocol, take advantage of the lapses. NP :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Nov 03, 08:17 AM 2017
That's why I've been saying to observe their operational protocol, take advantage of the lapses. NP :thumbsup:
Where do we find these operational protocols? Are they somewhere on the internet ?
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Nov 03, 08:03 AM 2017
Ok till now wheels with RRS are not much. I can even say that i not meet them. Was one wheel in one casino where i played, but they simply taked out, because people simply not played on it, so casino had big damage.
I slight know how they works - they are not absolute random, at least till now. You simply measure speed many time and all will be clear for you, how that wheel behave, how program behave. maybe somebody can operate with program and all change , but all that we can see .
Practically possible to make such program that it will be absolute random, but that is stick with two ends - what if casino on normal tables have say million benefit per week , but after change only 500 000 simply because peoples less play ??? I saw such situattion...
What you want to say ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 03, 08:28 AM 2017I don't get what u want to say, can you write in simple words or in your own language
What you not understand ? Wheels with RRS are not much - what here is not clear ?
And wheels with RRS create randomnes of wheel speed not very random so they from some moment or go slower or go faster - I not noticed that they go faster and in some moment change that and start go slower....what here is not clear ?
If you think other - simply clock wheel speed and you will know .
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Nov 03, 08:36 AM 2017
What you not understand ? Wheels with RRS are not much - what here is not clear ?
And wheels with RRS create randomnes of wheel speed not very random so they from some moment or go slower or go faster - I not noticed that they go faster and in some moment change that and start go slower....what here is not clear ?
If you think other - simply clock wheel speed and you will know .
Ok thx
casino have some wheels with (Active Rotor Control) .
That's a cheating since the wheel changes speed during the spin. It's no different than the dealer reaching into the wheel and slowing the wheel down during the spin.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 03, 09:12 AM 2017casino have some wheels with (Active Rotor Control) .
How that is different from RRS ?
And which firm are these wheels ?
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Nov 03, 10:01 AM 2017
How that is different from RRS ?
And which firm are these wheels ?
Well the flow within RRS is random better say out-of-control, while with ARC there is a manipulation of the speed during spin.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 03, 10:38 AM 2017Well the flow within RRS is random better say out-of-control, while with ARC there is a manipulation of the speed during spin.
But who control all ? Dealer from table ? Pitboss ? From security room ?
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Nov 03, 11:18 AM 2017
But who control all ? Dealer from table ? Pitboss ? From security room ?
I think, there is a sort of remote control over the wheel, probably via hidden lasers/ devices.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 02, 05:51 PM 2017
I dont know enough about your method to give advice. But generally if you know the variables where spins are more predictable, then yes isolate to them. But this means you need to skip spins. Usually with my computers we only use the advanced settings which can skip less profitable spins if we really need extra edge. The downside is then play can take longer. But you need to often skip spins to avoid detection anyway, depending on the method you're using. There are a lot of variables and again I dont know enough about what you do.
My method is fully based on the "cause and effect" theory... the theory you frequently mention !
The conclusion I have is that no system works in the long term whether it is flat bet or with progression. it's just a wasted time.
I think the only way to have any chance of winning by playing roulette is to predict which sector the ball will land on. This can be done in three ways. VB, roulette computers or play the way I've been playing: I'm betting against that incredibly rare event ever happening - and I will win much more then lose, because that event hardly happen.
So ur one is not a system?
Quote from: Madi on Nov 03, 10:39 PM 2017
So ur one is not a system?
Nope, it's a strategy
Andre, you are on the right way
Andre
check pm
What do you call such thing? have you even seen something like that?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 05, 02:08 PM 2017
What do you call such thing? have you even seen something like that?
Those types of "suspicious" sequences are more likely the product of software-produced numbers (i.e, RNG) -- they are far less likely to be produced by actual wheels (dealer-spun or airball).
It does not necessarily mean that the RNG is crooked or dishonest.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Nov 05, 02:46 PM 2017
Those types of "suspicious" sequences are more likely the product of software-produced numbers (i.e, RNG) -- they are far less likely to be produced by actual wheels (dealer-spun or airball).
It does not necessarily mean that the RNG is crooked or dishonest.
no sir.
this was a real wheel!!!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 05, 02:48 PM 2017
no sir.
this was a real wheel!!!
One such instance of bizarre numbers does not necessarily mean that this particular "real wheel" is crooked or dishonest.
Keep monitoring that wheel (i.e, don't risk actual money on it) and if similar strange sequences show up in the future with some degree of regularity (use your judgment to determine what is regular), then stay away from that wheel.