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Title: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 04:00 AM 2017
Hi Steve....well basically I have lost count of how many times you said stuff like.... People Should understand basic understanding or fallacy or I shared this and that already. .....

Soooo.... let's Just do this. I'm sure people wanna read this.

How should we play? I mean we sit down at the wheel....What's Next? What we track ? How we bet ? Iow your playing yourself without any technology. Pls elaborate

(Pls don't send us to all your sites. Just get to the point) And this is with positive intentions btw.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 04:06 AM 2017
I want to see the easy, uncomplicated that many has already done part.  :smile:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 04:07 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 04:06 AM 2017
I want to see the easy, uncomplicated that many has already done part.  :smile:

Most of us
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 04:14 AM 2017
I'd be happy to explain it if people listened.

To start, stop looking at the table. It's irrelevant. Everything happens on the wheel.

Then understand why i say you need to change the odds.

If you don't fully understand the above, go back and try again.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 04:18 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 04:14 AM 2017
I'd be happy to explain it if people listened.

To start, stop looking at the table. It's irrelevant. Everything happens on the wheel.

Then understand why i say you need to change the odds.

If you don't fully understand the above, go back and try again.

Ok cool.
Now let's say we get it....
So we ordered a drink...Just gave the dealer money to turn into chips...We have a nice seat next to the wheel....

What's Next ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 05, 04:20 AM 2017
another waste of time thread.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 04:21 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 05, 04:20 AM 2017
another waste of time thread.

Pls Notto... show respect


@Steve. ... Any comments such as this should be erased! Now let us carry on helping people
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Taotie on Oct 05, 04:25 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 04:18 AM 2017
Ok cool.
Now let's say we get it....
So we ordered a drink...Just gave the dealer money to turn into chips...We have a nice seat next to the wheel....

What's Next ?

Look at the table and put some chips on it. No wait, the table is irrelevant. Throw some chips at the croupier as hard as you can and wait for security to remove you from the casino.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 04:44 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 04:18 AM 2017
Ok cool.
Now let's say we get it....
So we ordered a drink...Just gave the dealer money to turn into chips...We have a nice seat next to the wheel....

What's Next ?

That depends on your approach. There are many that "work", which is done by increasing accuracy of predictions.

I can give an example of what works but for now its best just to focus on proper understanding of the basics.

Seriously try the quiz. I made it to help people. After you answer a question you see the answer with explanation.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 04:45 AM 2017
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 05, 04:25 AM 2017
Look at the table and put some chips on it. No wait, the table is irrelevant. Throw some chips at the croupier as hard as you can and wait for security to remove you from the casino.

That's the way how it works, you rock !
throw money as much as you can at the Croupier...but you should find a wheel where the croupier is a sexy woman.

And to make great things happen, if your bet fails just double up the bet and you will be doing fine ;(
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 05, 04:48 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 04:21 AM 2017
Pls Notto... show respect


@Steve. ... Any comments such as this should be erased! Now let us carry on helping people
I'm doing a Mr J LMAO
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 05, 04:57 AM 2017
Ok Steve
Last night on software MPR, 13th non-hit is in spin 15, so you're just watching, next 2 spins repeats, now its slowing down thru rpeats so i waited one more spin, repeat, now its avg to hit is gone i have an avg for max spins and can bet, so lay 24 units lose, treble up win. So was that hard.
Another game later and your best fan is on there Maestro, says to him spin 55 30th non-hit, end 60 spins 31non-hit whats the avg for 60 spins 30.5.
3 games, gone from 2494 to 2790
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 04:58 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 04:44 AM 2017
That depends on your approach. There are many that "work", which is done by increasing accuracy of predictions.

I can give an example of what works but for now its best just to focus on proper understanding of the basics.

Seriously try the quiz. I made it to help people. After you answer a question you see the answer with explanation.

Your approach. .. No No.  Now we asking what you would do. Very easy question .

Now let's try again.... i Got my chips.... What's Next?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 05, 05:00 AM 2017
Steve morts #'s
look at the non-hit piece of piss


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I'll leave you all to steves bla bla bla
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 05:01 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 05, 05:00 AM 2017

I'll leave you all to steves bla bla bla

Thx
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 05:13 AM 2017
What would i do? I use computers, or rather my teams do.  We would assess ball scatter to see how predictably the ball bounced, if we were being super careful. But ordinarily we'd just start using the computer without evaluation. We usually at least get 20% edge regardless.

My method is not typical so that's not the answer you want.

The reason i say first learn basics because they are used to build a working system. That dictates what you do next. For most ap, you'd assess the conditions that matter. Its different for different approaches

Let's take nottos non hit bla bla. If he tested more he'd know non hits, hot numbers, cold numbers, sleepers, streaks bla bla are meaningless. You get them with rng or real spins. Its just basic probability. None of it can be used to determine the next number, or at sequence of numbers, with improved odds.

Notto gave us an example of not testing properly. So he doesn't know better.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 05:50 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 05:13 AM 2017
What would i do? I use computers, or rather my teams do.  We would assess ball scatter to see how predictably the ball bounced, if we were being super careful. But ordinarily we'd just start using the computer without evaluation. We usually at least get 20% edge regardless.

My method is not typical so that's not the answer you want.

The reason i say first learn basics because they are used to build a working system. That dictates what you do next. For most ap, you'd assess the conditions that matter. Its different for different approaches

Let's take nottos non hit bla bla. If he tested more he'd know non hits, hot numbers, cold numbers, sleepers, streaks bla bla are meaningless. You get them with rng or real spins. Its just basic probability. None of it can be used to determine the next number, or at sequence of numbers, with improved odds.

Notto gave us an example of not testing properly. So he doesn't know better.

Do you know when there will be the first computer which works with an online casino with live dealer ?
Some casino allow player 10 seconds after ball has been spun, maybe this would be enough time to get prediction from the computer ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 05:59 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 05:50 AM 2017
Do you know when there will be the first computer which works with an online casino with live dealer ?
Some casino allow player 10 seconds after ball has been spun, maybe this would be enough time to get prediction from the computer ?
How is that going to work with the visual frames rate that's inconsistent with the actual reality ?

The use of physics measures the momentum, friction, drag, tilt and so on.
How can those variables be measured through another medium ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:04 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 05:59 AM 2017
How is that going to work with the visual frames rate that's inconsistent with the actual reality ?

A multiprocessor computer should be able to handle it, forget about clicking button when the ball passes a certain point, this was it wont work.

You need a computer that detects the ball with a laser and estimates its speed automatically, the same thing for the wheel ...you don't then need to bet one number, you can target  sectors.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:08 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 05:59 AM 2017
How is that going to work with the visual frames rate that's inconsistent with the actual reality ?

The use of physics measures the momentum, friction, drag, tilt and so on.
How can those variables be measured through another medium ?

By the way there are some software today which can estimates the speed of a moving object over video streaming...

The same technology should be used in a software that detects the white ball and the green zero on a wheel and estimate their speed
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 06:10 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:04 AM 2017
A multiprocessor computer should be able to handle it, forget about clicking button when the ball passes a certain point, this was it wont work.

You need a computer that detects the ball with a laser and estimates its speed automatically, the same thing for the wheel ...you don't then need to bet one number, you can target  sectors.
If you cast a laser beam on the wheel and ball at b&m, don't you think the casino surveillance can easily catch you ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:21 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 06:10 AM 2017
If you cast a laser beam on the wheel and ball at b&m, don't you think the casino surveillance can easily catch you ?

Hey !
Didn't you read my post ?
I was asking about a computer that can work from home !! For live wheel
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 06:26 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:21 AM 2017
Hey !
Didn't you read my post ?
I was asking about a computer that can work from home !! For live wheel
I did.

I was just thinking aloud about application in both environment.

The technology to read dynamic points far exceeds that of static data points from visual feeds, throw in unstable transmission and noise, is it possible and so readily available, at what price ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 06:32 AM 2017
Are we going to get info about this, like how much work is computer aided, what else has to be done by the user
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 06:40 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 05:50 AM 2017
Do you know when there will be the first computer which works with an online casino with live dealer ?
Some casino allow player 10 seconds after ball has been spun, maybe this would be enough time to get prediction from the computer ?

this wasnt supposed to be about my technology.

10s is easily enough. My hybrid can get prediction in 1s after ball release if i run the server locally, or 2-3s if its run on a remote server.

I can easily beat the online wheels. Beating them isnt the problem. Its:

- you need to mess around with duplicate accounts to win a reasonable amount of money. Otherwise you just get banned or restricted. You can do far better in real casinos without messing around.

- many online casinos refuse payout.

There are other reasons. Very few serious players bother with online casinos.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 06:43 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 05:59 AM 2017
How is that going to work with the visual frames rate that's inconsistent with the actual reality ?

The use of physics measures the momentum, friction, drag, tilt and so on.
How can those variables be measured through another medium ?

My uber computer uses manual clicks. It has algorithms to minimize human clicking errors. See the public demo below. 120% edge makes it clear timing errors are negligible:



You dont need to measure things like drag. But you do need to properly model ball deceleration and changes in deceleration. This is where most computers fail. Its a complex problem. Most computers either assume no change, or they use crude methods to approximate changes in ball deceleration.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 06:48 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:04 AM 2017
A multiprocessor computer should be able to handle it, forget about clicking button when the ball passes a certain point, this was it wont work.

You need a computer that detects the ball with a laser and estimates its speed automatically, the same thing for the wheel ...you don't then need to bet one number, you can target  sectors.

I have versions that use a laser, a form of radar, optical sensors, video processors, manual clicks and more. The best is using video processing. There is no detectable emission and it can detect ball position at any visible point.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 06:50 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:08 AM 2017
By the way there are some software today which can estimates the speed of a moving object over video streaming...

The same technology should be used in a software that detects the white ball and the green zero on a wheel and estimate their speed

You are talking about this: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19227.0

It does a lot more than I show in this video.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 06:53 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 06:26 AM 2017
I did.

I was just thinking aloud about application in both environment.

The technology to read dynamic points far exceeds that of static data points from visual feeds, throw in unstable transmission and noise, is it possible and so readily available, at what price ?

US$80,000. It is a requirement players see it fully before buying. So they are sure and they know exactly what theyre getting. Everyone who has seen it purchased it so far.

But you can also get it free and pay from winnings: :.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/ - i still accept most serious teams.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 07:04 AM 2017
getting back to the original point, there are likely other ways to increase accuracy of prediction. I explained the best experimental ways imo at link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19212.0

AP and computers arent for everyone. They still require intelligence and careful planning to do well.

Really everyone should do the quiz. Start by aiming to beat Taotie. Go to link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=SMFQuiz
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 05, 07:04 AM 2017
Helle Steve,

The link is down, I want to access it.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 07:11 AM 2017
there was a typo, check now. Ipads fault
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 07:13 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 05:13 AM 2017
What would i do? I use computers, or rather my teams do.  We would assess ball scatter to see how predictably the ball bounced, if we were being super careful. But ordinarily we'd just start using the computer without evaluation. We usually at least get 20% edge regardless.

My method is not typical so that's not the answer you want.

The reason i say first learn basics because they are used to build a working system. That dictates what you do next. For most ap, you'd assess the conditions that matter. Its different for different approaches

Let's take nottos non hit bla bla. If he tested more he'd know non hits, hot numbers, cold numbers, sleepers, streaks bla bla are meaningless. You get them with rng or real spins. Its just basic probability. None of it can be used to determine the next number, or at sequence of numbers, with improved odds.

Notto gave us an example of not testing properly. So he doesn't know better.

So what I'm getting from all this is....You haven't really got a method without your technology. Which is fine. Now here's where I'm at....

Few months back I started looking in vb seriously. So seriously I starting to see the ball double from watching and practising accuracy of predictions. Pfff. Many breaks are required. But at a certain point I'm started to get it. My predictions did pretty good. ( I could mostly guess which area it would land on).

Now the area....What to bet? So as I like hotties/repeaters it wasn't hard to choose my bet. So you say repeaters are useless. I disagree!

How to attack?  Sit your ass down. Check the diamonds as at the same time write the numbers spun. After you got the data(check also rotations etc.)...start betting. Mostly it's 1-2 numbers per spin. (Unless the # are all in the same area)

Throw some small chips on the table while tracking. But stuff like that we all know.

:girl_to:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 05, 07:18 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 05:13 AM 2017
What would i do? I use computers, or rather my teams do.  We would assess ball scatter to see how predictably the ball bounced, if we were being super careful. But ordinarily we'd just start using the computer without evaluation. We usually at least get 20% edge regardless.

My method is not typical so that's not the answer you want.

The reason i say first learn basics because they are used to build a working system. That dictates what you do next. For most ap, you'd assess the conditions that matter. Its different for different approaches

Let's take nottos non hit bla bla. If he tested more he'd know non hits, hot numbers, cold numbers, sleepers, streaks bla bla are meaningless. You get them with rng or real spins. Its just basic probability. None of it can be used to determine the next number, or at sequence of numbers, with improved odds.

Notto gave us an example of not testing properly. So he doesn't know better.

Notto just showed how to win on FOBT and does not need to cheat with shit software
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 07:23 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 07:13 AM 2017
So what I'm getting from all this is....You haven't really got a method without your technology. Which is fine. Now here's where I'm at....

Few months back I started looking in vb seriously. So seriously I starting to see the ball double from watching and practising accuracy of predictions. Pfff. Many breaks are required. But at a certain point I'm started to get it. My predictions did pretty good. ( I could mostly guess which area it would land on).

Now the area....What to bet? So as I like hotties/repeaters it wasn't hard to choose my bet. So you say repeaters are useless. I disagree!

How to attack?  Sit your ass down. Check the diamonds as at the same time write the numbers spun. After you got the data(check also rotations etc.)...start betting. Mostly it's 1-2 numbers per spin. (Unless the # are all in the same area)

Throw some small chips on the table while tracking. But stuff like that we all know.

:girl_to:

No denzie, I have many methods that beat roulette, including ones that dont use computers. My non-computer method is called cross rererencing. It models the realtionship between variables and spin outcomes, but in a dynamic relationship.

Repeaters are fallacy because what determines the winning numbers are physical variables. Its all cause and effect. For example if the spins were 32,32,32.... its because variables like rotor speed contributed to it, NOT because they were "repeaters".
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 07:25 AM 2017
Another thing....Track The dealers. Many dealers spin the same gap area. Wanna bet you get a hit on your few # in your selection?

This is for those who don't wanna training the vb. Just look the dealer and count...look Your sheet and put the chip on your number.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 07:26 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 05, 07:18 AM 2017
Notto just showed how to win on FOBT and does not need to cheat with shit software

No you showed how even a losing system can win in short term. Any system can do this, short term.

Also computers are legal and not cheating in most casinos. But youll still be banned if caught using them. Why? Because casinos hate players who are virtually guaranteed to win. If you dont like that, who cares. Dont use them.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 07:27 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 07:23 AM 2017
No denzie, I have many methods that beat roulette, including ones that dont use computers. My non-conputer method is called cross rererencing. It models the realtionship between variables and soin outcomes, but in a dynamic relationship.


Alright cool. Let's hear it  :)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 07:29 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 07:23 AM 2017


Repeaters are fallacy because what determines the winning numbers are physical variables. Its all cause and effect. For example if the spins were 32,32,32.... its because variables like rotor speed contributed to it, NOT because they were "repeaters".

Of course it coz of those variables. And we call them repeaters coz they repeat coz of the variables  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 07:34 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 07:13 AM 2017
So what I'm getting from all this is....You haven't really got a method without your technology. Which is fine. Now here's where I'm at....

Few months back I started looking in vb seriously. So seriously I starting to see the ball double from watching and practising accuracy of predictions. Pfff. Many breaks are required. But at a certain point I'm started to get it. My predictions did pretty good. ( I could mostly guess which area it would land on).

Now the area....What to bet? So as I like hotties/repeaters it wasn't hard to choose my bet. So you say repeaters are useless. I disagree!

How to attack?  Sit your ass down. Check the diamonds as at the same time write the numbers spun. After you got the data(check also rotations etc.)...start betting. Mostly it's 1-2 numbers per spin. (Unless the # are all in the same area)

Throw some small chips on the table while tracking. But stuff like that we all know.

:girl_to:
I may expand into VBer repeaters hybrid later. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 07:36 AM 2017
i already explained it many times. but basically every winning number comes from cause and effect. Its never for no reason. Its because of various variables.

For example, rotor and ball speed. These are obvious ones. But these are changing variables. And there are other changing variables. A complete system needs to accurately model the variables (cause) and the relationships to the winning numbers (effects). But more is needed. You also need to model the dynamic relationship between all variables and effects. Because the variables constantly change. This is partly done with permutations, in a similar way to how hackers decrypt an encrypted file. To do it properly needs automated software. Its about 4 billion calculations for 300 spins. But there ar shortcuts that can be taken without needing computer software.

So my cross referencing system is not so much a system. Its more a method for statistical analysis. It does whats explained above, and is optionally capable of finding statistical anomalies. A better known one is wheel bias, but there are other anomalies in specific conditions. No it doesnt need or rely on bias. Simply if there is an anomaly, it can be found. Its as close to the HG ive ever found.... take all variables and data points possible, and create a computer model to explain it all, then use this model to predict future spins. Not so far fetched, is it?

Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 07:40 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 07:29 AM 2017
Of course it coz of those variables. And we call them repeaters coz they repeat coz of the variables  :thumbsup:

Not in the way players use repeaters. Most system players never even consider the variables. As soon as you start making predictions based on real variables, congrats youre looking at advantage play. Thats all AP is... logic and reason, not hocus pocus.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 07:49 AM 2017
So long as methods based on statistical analysis returns consistent results, hocus pocus or not is not the issue, how large the edge that rake in the chips in real money play is.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 07:58 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 07:49 AM 2017
So long as methods based on statistical analysis returns consistent results, hocus pocus or not is not the issue, how large the edge that rake in the chips in real money play is.

The method isnt exactly statistics. Its physics (cause and effect). But statistics is still critical. Its diffetent expressions of the same thing. Like you dont have physics without math. They are the same thing, although physics is more the theory, and the math is the validation.

Dont confuse this with bs claims like "beat a math game with math" because people who say this think it means something like "repeaters in X amount of spins are more likely to repeat in X amount of spins". Thats the kind of math that exists only in imagination.

And really roulette is not hard to beat. You can beat most wheels one way or another. Its more a question of practicality, with the main part being how much you can win without being detected. If you are detected, one way or another the casino wont tolerate it forever.

Winning $1000 -$5000 per session without being detected is fine, but you still cant do it day after day at the same casino. Avoiding detection for $30k is not too hard either but it needs very careful planning.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 08:03 AM 2017
My understanding is if the computer usage is not based on process physics but based on theoretical probability distribution meaning grounded in pure math and stats, there should be no problem as they are currently still deemed to be constraint by existing math frontier limitations. Or at least the pitboss made me understand the allowable line for now.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 08:11 AM 2017
cht are you talking about roulette computers or cross referencing?

In either case its not pure math and stats. They both require understanding of wheel physics for the actual algorithms.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 08:18 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 07:36 AM 2017
. But there ar shortcuts that can be taken without needing computer software.



We're listening. Pls continue
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 08:26 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 08:11 AM 2017
cht are you talking about roulette computers or cross referencing?

In either case its not pure math and stats. They both require understanding of wheel physics for the actual algorithms.
I was referring to house rules at my local b&m casino.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 08:27 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 06:53 AM 2017
US$80,000. It is a requirement players see it fully before buying. So they are sure and they know exactly what theyre getting. Everyone who has seen it purchased it so far.

But you can also get it free and pay from winnings: :.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/ - i still accept most serious teams.

Only 80k? Which idiot can afford that ?
Is the high price only for the boom's effect ?

No comment
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 05, 08:31 AM 2017
Quote32,32,32.... its because variables like rotor speed contributed to it, NOT because they were "repeaters"


that is not true...you do have 32,32,32 because this is how random stream goes and has to happen...so simple eh
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 08:41 AM 2017
Im not going to reveal much more. Its enough information to head in the right direction. Once you understand why progression, sleepers, repeaters etc dont work, and why you need to increase accuracy of predictions..... then the most reasonable and obvious approach is to study cause and effect. Then you can model reality.

Understanding cause and effect (wheel physics) means youre looking at the right variables. Then create a model to explain it all. Its easy to model if variables were the same. But they are constantly changing. So you need a dynamic model that projetcs what happens when variables change.

At least this is my approach, and I find it the most reasonable and down to earth approach. Theres more to it but i explained the basics. It does no good for me to go on about it because i already explained all i want to explain. Not even my players fully know how it works. You can reverse engineer parts but not realistically the whole thing.

I suggest anyone interested just start with visual ballistics. Theres a basic free method on roulettephysics.com. You can build from there.

Most people say its impossible. But beating roulette is really not that difficult. But you need to accept the fact that you cant ralistically beat every wheel with a singular approach. And you wont win every time or without effort. It still takes time and effort. Its more involved than the RBBRBRBRB nonsense. And sometimes your time doesnt pay off for a while. Although when it does pay off, the results can be very good.

Is it the easiest way to make money i know of? Owning a bank is. But roulettte is very good too, although if you are playing for say $200 profit per session, its not worth the time. It is much better with high stakes. Dont find average conditions. Find perfect condictions then carefully plan a proper high stakes hit and run. One night can be $100k profit. Do it properly and it looks like luck to the casino.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 08:45 AM 2017
Steve, all what you talking about is nice and true,  I have modeled all these variables in one solution... the only thing I am failing at is the "Discipline" it's the hardest task to master
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 08:48 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 08:27 AM 2017
Only 80k? Which idiot can afford that ?
Is the high price only for the boom's effect ?

No comment

Do you think people with $80k are really dumb and incapable of proper research?

I have many purchasers of the hybrid. The math is not hard to justify the price. One night of play can return the investment. But you know if i see a high roller in a good position, i prefer they take a kind of profit sharing arrangement. Most successful players in such an arrangement later opt to purchase.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 08:53 AM 2017
Quote from: maestro on Oct 05, 08:31 AM 2017

that is not true...you do have 32,32,32 because this is how random stream goes and has to happen...so simple eh

Theres really no such thing as a "repeater". The term implies invalid logic, or fallacy. The correct understanding is simply thecause and effects alligned for those a particular spins. 32, 32, 32 can occur on three different wheels with no relation to each other too. If i saw such a sequence at first glance, id simply say well who knows what those variables were, but its going to happen with rng, and real wheels alike. I would not at all be more inclined to bet 32. Why would i be? It happens all the time. Its normal.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 08:57 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 08:48 AM 2017
Do you think people with $80k are really dumb and incapable of proper research?

I have many purchasers of the hybrid. The math is not hard to justify the price. One night of play can return the investment. But you know if i see a high roller in a good position, i prefer they take a kind of profit sharing arrangement. Most successful players in such an arrangement later opt to purchase.

80k is big amount, only a few would buy, roulette is a game of risk, physics can tilt the game but risk Persists even with computer...

Is it possible to challenge your computer ? Can we do a test ?
I can record 10 minutes play from a live wheel and we do some tests...
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 08:57 AM 2017
Quote from: maestro on Oct 05, 08:31 AM 2017

that is not true...you do have 32,32,32 because this is how random stream goes and has to happen...so simple eh

Nothing ever "has to happen". Nothing is ever due. Proof is easy to establish. Just test how often 32 spins after thr sequence 32,32,32. Still 1 in 37.

Even if you have 32,32,32,32..... the odds of 3 spinning next are still 1 in 37. Nothing changed. Its normal probability.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 08:59 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 08:45 AM 2017
Steve, all what you talking about is nice and true,  I have modeled all these variables in one solution... the only thing I am failing at is the "Discipline" it's the hardest task to master

Yes its tedious. Thats the main reeason i dont use my system. Computers are much. much faster to use.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 09:00 AM 2017
Alright thx for the ...... well You didn't share anything(we can use) . I'm out  :thumbsup:

Question was easy and since you wanna help ....

We sit down at the table. ... Now What ? Pfff nevermind coz a long text will follow with stuff the average Joe knows but can't use

I'm out
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:06 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 09:00 AM 2017
Alright thx for the ...... well You didn't share anything(we can use) . I'm out  :thumbsup:

Question was easy and since you wanna help ....

We sit down at the table. ... Now What ? Pfff nevermind coz a long text will follow with stuff the average Joe knows but can't use

I'm out

Denise, why you not getting the point?
you can win if you study the dynamics of the wheel... but ithe journey gonna be complicated ... If you prove yourself to be over-disciplined guy, you might also win with any other strategy
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 09:10 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 08:57 AM 2017
80k is big amount, only a few would buy, roulette is a game of risk, physics can tilt the game but risk Persists even with computer...

Is it possible to challenge your computer ? Can we do a test ?
I can record 10 minutes play from a live wheel and we do some tests...

Roulette is not at all risky when done right. Do it right and theres little risk compared to potential gains. We never bet large unless we have no doubt the wheel is being destroyed (40%+ edge).

Ive done live in person and live webcam tests before. I announced them so anyone could attend. Ive also given my uber version up for independent testing with a well known and neutral forum member. Ive done more. In all ive done around 60 in-person demos too over around 8 years. There is no reasonable validation left for me to do. Another test will have the same result. Although 10 minutes is not enough to have conclusive data anyway.

Theres the free roulette computer i offer at :.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/ and the demos explained at :.roulettephysics.com/demonstrations/ and anyone can even just aim a webcam at any wheel and hear the computer predictions for a demo. the proof is really easy to provide but I only do the demos for purchasers. I already did many public demos like the recording i published just to prove a point people making false claims about me were lying pieces of shit.

again this wasnt supposed to be about my technology. You can ask privately about it.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 09:11 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:06 AM 2017
Denise, why you not getting the point?
you can win if you study the dynamics of the wheel... but ithe journey gonna be complicated ... If you prove yourself to be over-disciplined guy, you might also win with any other strategy

Are you getting my point ? All I read in other threads is how easy it is. So therefore my question. .... We sit at the table and now what ?  Didn't got a answer


Don't think I don't know cause and effect. It aint the holy ghost who picks the numbers.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:12 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 09:00 AM 2017
Alright thx for the ...... well You didn't share anything(we can use) . I'm out  :thumbsup:

Question was easy and since you wanna help ....

We sit down at the table. ... Now What ? Pfff nevermind coz a long text will follow with stuff the average Joe knows but can't use

I'm out


Just because i liked you, i will give you a tip...

Use any random generator to generate two values, say 0 and 1 and bet red or black, reference 0 for black and 1 for red... and bet based on the result from the generator, get ready to hold up to 10 marti and you gonna win ...BOOM

Get happy
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 09:18 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 09:00 AM 2017
Alright thx for the ...... well You didn't share anything(we can use) . I'm out  :thumbsup:

Question was easy and since you wanna help ....

We sit down at the table. ... Now What ? Pfff nevermind coz a long text will follow with stuff the average Joe knows but can't use

I'm out

Actually i did give you important usable information, but you dont appear to have understood it. And ive given lots of other critical advice so people stop wasting time. But that is mostly ignored or not undestood too.

At times i even spelled it out in black and white, and it was still overlooked. Anyway in the end like i said i dont want to give more. im not done with roulette yet. even when i am i probably wont release much more because it wont be respected for what it is, but more importantly it would harm others who figured it out too. If anyone figures it out, they earned the right to benefit from it. And benefiting from it requires secrets to be maintained.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:20 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:12 AM 2017

Just because i liked you, i will give you a tip...

Use any random generator to generate two values, say 0 and 1 and bet red or black, reference 0 for black and 1 for red... and bet based on the result from the generator, get ready to hold up to 10 marti and you gonna win ...BOOM

Get happy

Your lose percentage is 1/1024 .... almost 0
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 09:28 AM 2017
Just as I thought. .... No answer  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 09:33 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:12 AM 2017

Just because i liked you, i will give you a tip...

Use any random generator to generate two values, say 0 and 1 and bet red or black, reference 0 for black and 1 for red... and bet based on the result from the generator, get ready to hold up to 10 marti and you gonna win ...BOOM

Get happy

And BOOM....broke
If only it was that easy right
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 09:35 AM 2017
just as i thought, not understood, and expecting it on a silver platter. You want a complete method, they are already on my site. You expect all my secrets of my best approach? umm no. Do your own work.

Even parts that have been in a silver platter have been ignored. Want proof denzie, tell me about how repeaters are the key... If you dont understand basics, you wont understand anything beyond that.

I at least hope i helped someone head in the right direction.


Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:35 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 09:33 AM 2017
And BOOM....broke
If only it was that easy right

Oh my shit !
Test it before you judge !
It has 1/1024 broke probability !!! So low ... the smart guys here know what I mean
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 09:38 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 09:35 AM 2017
just as i thought, not understood, and expecting it on a silver platter. You want a complete method, they are already on my site. You expect all my secrets of my best approach? umm no. Do your own work.

Even parts that have been in a silver platter have been ignored. Want proof denzie, tell me about how repeaters are the key... If you dont understand basics, you wont understand anything beyond that.

I at least hope i helped someone head in the right direction.

I expect nothing else than to prove my point. And you did. I got my own platter. Thx
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 09:40 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:35 AM 2017
Oh my shit !
Test it before you judge !
It has 1/1024 broke probability !!! So low ... the smart guys here know what I mean

an approach like that can work for your lifetime. But if 1000 others had that approach, the ones that lose will lose big. Such an approach is like borrowing money on margin with interest. You can get away with it for a while, but its gambling with serious potential consequence.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 09:43 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:35 AM 2017
Oh my shit !
Test it before you judge !
It has 1/1024 broke probability !!! So low ... the smart guys here know what I mean
I actually did years ago. So I know the outcome
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 09:44 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:12 AM 2017

Just because i liked you, i will give you a tip...

Use any random generator to generate two values, say 0 and 1 and bet red or black, reference 0 for black and 1 for red... and bet based on the result from the generator, get ready to hold up to 10 marti and you gonna win ...BOOM

Get happy

What do you mean
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 09:44 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 09:38 AM 2017
I expect nothing else than to prove my point. And you did. I got my own platter. Thx

Denzie you really dont understand. Good luck.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:48 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 09:43 AM 2017
I actually did years ago. So I know the outcome

Tell more how you tested ?
You were picking the colors at your will!

Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:48 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 09:44 AM 2017
What do you mean

Hey ghost !

What isn't clear for you ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 09:48 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 09:44 AM 2017
Denzie you really dont understand. Good luck.

Do you understand why I started this thread ? Now let that forumtalk about sharing stuff go... Once again someone gives some pointers without the key.
Been there , done that.  ;)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:56 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 09:40 AM 2017
an approach like that can work for your lifetime. But if 1000 others had that approach, the ones that lose will lose big. Such an approach is like borrowing money on margin with interest. You can get away with it for a while, but its gambling with serious potential consequence.

No, you want to make it more secure ... split the wheel in two equal parts and follow the same rules I already said ... this time the physics will be your friend it will protect you !
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 09:58 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 09:56 AM 2017
No, you want to make it more secure ... split the wheel in two equal parts and follow the same rules I already said ... this time the physics will be your friend it will protect you !

What's the difference ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 09:59 AM 2017
Denzie, I share various free software. I give detailed critical information to help people...

And i give complete and effective methods for free.

I do more to help people than probably anyone here. How do you help people? Are you in position to criticise what i share?

Me not giving you the full secrets to my best methods does not prove your point. Your insinuating that I'm baiting is just dogshit.

If you don't want to start with the free and complete methods i give, or use my free software, or take accurate advice, then don't.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 10:00 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 09:59 AM 2017
Denzie, I share various free software. I give detailed critical information to help people...

And i give complete and effective methods for free.

I do more to help people than probably anyone here. How do you help people? Are you in position to criticise what i share?

Me not giving you the full secrets to my best methods does not prove your point. Your insinuating that I'm baiting is just dogshit.

If you don't want to start with the free and complete methods i give, them don't.

Ok steveypoo  :love:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 10:20 AM 2017
King

So you say do this (see picture) then bet one will match?

Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 10:40 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 10:20 AM 2017
King

So you say do this (see picture) then bet one will match?

Use the generator to get a value either 1(red) or 0(black) and bet accordingly.

I do recommend that you get a value for every spin and not getting a sequence of 10 values for the next 10 spins ...

Test that and give us your Feedback
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 05, 10:43 AM 2017
QuoteMe not giving you the full secrets to my best methods does not prove your point

you do have best methods and have people at the casinos to play and share profits with you and you watch them on your servers..are you having a laugh
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 05, 10:46 AM 2017
QuoteUse the generator to get a value either 1(red) or 0(black) and bet accordingly.

I do recommend that you get a value for every spin and not getting a sequence of 10 values for the next 10 spins ...

Test that and give us your Feedback

this is simple Monte carlo exp. and you are gonna hit at exact probability of even chance,sometimes better sometimes worst
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 11:12 AM 2017
Quote from: maestro on Oct 05, 10:46 AM 2017
this is simple Monte carlo exp. and you are gonna hit at exact probability of even chance,sometimes better sometimes worst

Isn't fair enough ? You gonna be head-head with the house ... beat them !
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 11:19 AM 2017
Quote from: maestro on Oct 05, 10:46 AM 2017
this is simple Monte carlo exp. and you are gonna hit at exact probability of even chance,sometimes better sometimes worst

This is another way though, generate a sequence of 37 numbers (numbers are between 0 and 36) and use that sequence to beat the house !!
Will the house replicate the whole sequence to beat you ??? I doubt !
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 11:40 AM 2017
Not a bad idea. Random vs random

I’d likely bet against
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 05, 12:36 PM 2017
Steve,

What does one have to do to be part of your group?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 05, 12:45 PM 2017
QuoteIsn't fair enough ? You gonna be head-head with the house ... beat them !

it is clear that you have no idea...look after your money
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 12:53 PM 2017
Quote from: maestro on Oct 05, 12:45 PM 2017
it is clear that you have no idea...look after your money

You call yourself "Maestro" ?

You Amateur or loser at its best.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 05, 01:08 PM 2017
QuoteYou Amateur or loser at its best


i will rather go for both and add up moron too.. :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 01:11 PM 2017
Steve, can you please tell me how many numbers do you target with your computer?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 02:27 PM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 09:59 AM 2017
Denzie, Your insinuating that I'm baiting is just dogshit.

Dogshit to you but reality to others.
:girl_to:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 02:29 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 01:11 PM 2017
Steve, can you please tell me how many numbers do you target with your computer?
Depends which Nintendo. The JAA is only a tiny 15 numbers.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 02:34 PM 2017
Quote from: romano0327 on Oct 05, 12:36 PM 2017
Steve,

What does one have to do to be part of your group?

Give him your knowledge you got from the masters of the stockmarket.  :lol:

Why don't you start with watching YouTube about vb.... Pff You probably end up at steves sites  ::)
But whatever. ... practise Till you got cross eyes....
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 05, 02:53 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 02:29 PM 2017
Depends which Nintendo. The JAA is only a tiny 15 numbers.

Denzie, what you expecting?
Steve sells his stuff to others to get money! it's Business!
so don't be disappointed!
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 03:04 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 02:53 PM 2017
Denzie, what you expecting?
Steve sells his stuff to others to get money! it's Business!
so don't be disappointed!

No worries. I'm not disappointed at all  :smile:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 04:26 PM 2017
Quote from: maestro on Oct 05, 10:43 AM 2017
you do have best methods and have people at the casinos to play and share profits with you and you watch them on your servers..are you having a laugh

My players stream video live from the casino and my hybrid sends them automated predictions in the casino. I watch from the comfort of home. You got it right. If you struggle to believe it, its not my problem.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 04:30 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 11:40 AM 2017
Not a bad idea. Random vs random

I’d likely bet against

You can't predict random. Its random. Trying to predict random is like two 0's  in the equation. It doesn't make it better or worse. The result is still 0. No accuracy change.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 04:31 PM 2017
Quote from: romano0327 on Oct 05, 12:36 PM 2017
Steve,

What does one have to do to be part of your group?

Its explained on the page i linked to
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 04:37 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 01:11 PM 2017
Steve, can you please tell me how many numbers do you target with your computer?

1 is usually enough, but we aim to win and leave the least time possible so we aim to cover 5+ numbers using 2-3 bettors.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 04:39 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 02:29 PM 2017
Depends which Nintendo. The JAA is only a tiny 15 numbers.

Actually you bet however many you want. Even 1 number is usually fine. But betting more is better because it means higher profit per hour. That matters more than edge.

Denzie get over your problem. All i did wad explain the truth. It isn't always popular.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 04:44 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 02:53 PM 2017
Denzie, what you expecting?
Steve sells his stuff to others to get money! it's Business!
so don't be disappointed!

Selling must mean it doesn't work, and i lie, right? I  give many free methods.   i only sell my better methods. Should i give them free too?

Most serious players pay nothing up front.  and if anyone had doubt about my honesty, well its really easy to test for yourself for free. I don't expect anyone to rely on my word alone.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 04:49 PM 2017
Denzie have you ever correctly picked a stock with 1500% returns? I did, and since profited from picking others with similar results.  I'm still in stocks. Your little dig is childish. Now you are making it personal. Grow up.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 04:52 PM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 04:39 PM 2017


Denzie get over your problem. All i did wad explain the truth. It isn't always popular.

Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 05, 04:59 PM 2017
Steve so is BLA,BLA,BLA same old shite from you
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 05:07 PM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 05, 04:59 PM 2017
Steve so is BLA,BLA,BLA same old shite from you

Yet nothing shared  ::)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 05:08 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 04:06 AM 2017
I want to see the easy, uncomplicated that many has already done part.  :smile:

Sorry....maybe next time  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 05:18 PM 2017
When a number hits  twice like 32, 32, obviously you should bet 32 next. Its a hot number.

If it sleeps for 200 spins; random has limits. So cover it until it hits, then keep betting until you profit. Cold numbers eventually become hot too.

And if you know past reds and blacks, just bet on the least spin color. Eventually things will even out.

Any deniers have an agenda.

The casinos are terrified of such methods. I heard they hire consultants to help detect especially dozen bettors. Get em where it hurts  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 05:24 PM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 05:18 PM 2017
When a number hits  twice like 32, 32, obviously you should bet 32 next. Its a hot number.

If it sleeps for 200 spins; random has limits. So cover it until it hits, then keep betting until you profit. Cold numbers eventually become hot too.

And if you know past reds and blacks, just bet on the least spin color. Eventually things will even out.

Any deniers have an agenda.

The casinos are terrified of such methods. I heard they hire consultants to help detect especially dozen bettors. Get em where it hurts  :thumbsup:

I knew those 22 years payed of  :thumbsup:


Add a huge marty or parlay on it.... kaaaatjiiiiing
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: strato1985 on Oct 05, 05:25 PM 2017
If you want to keep adding more virtual losses, more progressions and hit and runs so it takes longer for your system to let you down, then carry on as you were. All the mud throwing (even steve1212) does not make for a good debate.  It's not constructive nor creative. Time for a change of view. In the 21st century where  nasa and the greatest thinkers are creating ways to live on others planets and turn our slash into drinking water and grow food in space, you can sit and say with a straight face, a computer cant predict wheel and ball speed v drop zone is worrying
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Andre Chass on Oct 05, 05:32 PM 2017
Steve, I would like to test you free trial software but I don't know how and where to start.

I would like to know if the software can predict which sector the ball will land so I can use my Ramanosky strategy version that cover 34 numbers and left a sector of the wheel (numbers 5, 8, 10)  uncovered.

Can you give me some help with this?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Taotie on Oct 05, 08:40 PM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 07:04 AM 2017Really everyone should do the quiz. Start by aiming to beat Taotie.

You can't beat a perfect score, Steve.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 05, 09:39 PM 2017
Quote from: strato1985 on Oct 05, 05:25 PM 2017
If you want to keep adding more virtual losses, more progressions and hit and runs so it takes longer for your system to let you down, then carry on as you were.
Rightfully the punter punts the bookie books the bet.

Virtual losses and and more progression is mostly designed out of fear resulting in the punter books and the bookie punts inverting their role. Fear plays a larger role than people are aware of, it shows in their bets.

Quote from: strato1985 on Oct 05, 05:25 PM 2017
In the 21st century where  nasa and the greatest thinkers are creating ways to live on others planets and turn our slash into drinking water and grow food in space, you can sit and say with a straight face, a computer cant predict wheel and ball speed v drop zone is worrying
The issue is in the application.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 06, 01:43 AM 2017
If you are winning just $5k/ session, there's no problem with application. It depends where you play. At the right place with the right team, even $30k in a session is easy enough. Its just that you can't constantly repeat it so soon at the same place.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 03:27 AM 2017
Guys, I would really love to hear everyone's opinion on this :

Say we have a system "double dozen"that has proved it doesn't lose more than 7 L in a row, how are you going to bet ?

Let's be constructive and share some valued ideas ... I am not interested in hearing someone who comes and say it will get broke and one day you will see more than 7 L.

Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 06, 04:07 AM 2017
King
It will hit 8L then an 9L, the only ? is when.
Now you talk of 25#'s, its like the remaining 25 non-hit, on data i collect its max is 5L,W so 6 spins. And of 631 one daily games its gone to 6 spins 3 times.
The ? is when will it go 7spins, and untill that happens would the daily game make more units for when the unknown 7 appears
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:14 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 04:07 AM 2017
King
It will hit 8L then an 9L, the only ? is when.
Now you talk of 25#'s, its like the remaining 25 non-hit, on data i collect its max is 5L,W so 6 spins. And of 631 one daily games its gone to 6 spins 3 times.
The ? is when will it go 7spins, and untill that happens would the daily game make more units for when the unknown 7 appears

I have gathered 100k ...never seen more than 7
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:22 AM 2017
Here or in another post Steve has said that casino today hire consultants to detect bettors/systems that win consistently with dozens ... what does he mean exactly with that ? Anybody has more information ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 06, 04:33 AM 2017
I was being sarcastic. Casinos hire consultants to detect advantage players. Casinos love dozens players because they collectively are guaranteed to lose. What casinos do to protect themselves gives clues to what works.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 06, 04:43 AM 2017
@kingmaq. ... Why dont you play your 10 step marty? 
Get yourself a 1000bucks br and go for it. If your lucky (you probably will) you can make another 1000 with it. If that succeed then go for it till you bust. Which could take years btw. Of course it could bust right away too  :P
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 06, 04:45 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 04:33 AM 2017
I was being sarcastic. Casinos hire consultants to detect advantage players. Casinos love dozens players because they collectively are guaranteed to lose. What casinos do to protect themselves gives clues to what casinos think works.
Knowing this defines the boundary of not allowable or illegal play.

At the same time it throws up opportunity if the winning play is outside this boundary since it's seen as luck that loses itlr.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 06, 04:46 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:14 AM 2017
I have gathered 100k ...never seen more than 7
Good so is there a point where the max is the known max and then you can design your method with that known max.

So since old Blanc Bros made the euro wheel and say we had all the results for one wheel over last 200 years and collected every non-hits spins to hit, so 25 remaining is max 6 for me at this present time, from 200 years of data would remaining 25 be possibly 12 max spins or perhaps 8.

But with your known max of 7L like denz just said go for it, 8L might take years to happen.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 06, 04:48 AM 2017
King just posted 51 checkpoint boxes, see what the avg's are for 40 spins and 60 spins.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:55 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 06, 04:43 AM 2017
@kingmaq. ... Why dont you play your 10 step marty? 
Get yourself a 1000bucks br and go for it. If your lucky (you probably will) you can make another 1000 with it. If that succeed then go for it till you bust. Which could take years btw. Of course it could bust right away too  :P

You think it will lose  ?
Think of it again, what is the probability that the house will replicate the same sequence of 10 spins ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:57 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 04:46 AM 2017
Good so is there a point where the max is the known max and then you can design your method with that known max.

So since old Blanc Bros made the euro wheel and say we had all the results for one wheel over last 200 years and collected every non-hits spins to hit, so 25 remaining is max 6 for me at this present time, from 200 years of data would remaining 25 be possibly 12 max spins or perhaps 8.

But with your known max of 7L like denz just said go for it, 8L might take years to happen.

betting on 25 numbers with triple marti up to 8 times ?

this can be best played in a group of persons, sort of syndicate
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 06, 04:58 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 04:46 AM 2017


But with your known max of 7L like denz just said go for it, 8L might take years to happen.

That 10 step is a losing method. No doubt about it. But MANY can play it to profit from it. I did something similar years ago and I busted before I was in profit. But the loss was tiny. So that's why it ain't that bad.

Now a 7 step marty on DD could be a lot more expensive. Which I wouldn't risk. But that's just my opinion.

Anyway they both lose in the long run but.....It does can profit if it doesn't bust before you made a new br.

Although I don't advice to play it  :P
(There I'm not responsible anymore)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 05:03 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 06, 04:58 AM 2017
That 10 step is a losing method. No doubt about it. But MANY can play it to profit from it. I did something similar years ago and I busted before I was in profit. But the loss was tiny. So that's why it ain't that bad.

Now a 7 step marty on DD could be a lot more expensive. Which I wouldn't risk. But that's just my opinion.

Anyway they both lose in the long run but.....It does can profit if it doesn't bust before you made a new br.

Although I don't advice to play it  :P
(There I'm not responsible anymore)

Why are we greedy ? Why you want to bet every spin ???

Why don't you hold on and wait for a trigger (x L) and attack ... why can't we master this tactic?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 06, 05:04 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:55 AM 2017
You think it will lose  ?

100% sure.
But as I said. ...You might win years with it. Personally I would stop after a bust. Unless I would made like 5 or more br....I might push my luck once more.

You tested 100k spins.....Thats years of play. So you would made profit. Just never forget my 100k could be a disaster.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 06, 05:09 AM 2017
King todays check points


(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/10/06/temp_957222.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/7a4c)
15 non-hits in spins 11-40
5,+0
10,+0,
14,-1  on the avg 15 in 30 spins,  -2 on avg30 at spin 60

At spin 33 +70 just betting non-hit
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 05:10 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 06, 05:04 AM 2017
100% sure.
But as I said. ...You might win years with it. Personally I would stop after a bust. Unless I would made like 5 or more br....I might push my luck once more.

You tested 100k spins.....Thats years of play.

A fucking sexy dealer can spin up to 60 spins every hour on a speed roulette wheel ... so 100k are spins for 70 days
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 05:12 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 05:09 AM 2017
King todays check points


(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/10/06/temp_957222.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/7a4c)
15 non-hits in spins 11-40
5,+0
10,+0,
14,-1  on the avg 15 in 30 spins,  -2 on avg30 at spin 60

At spin 33 +70 just betting non-hit

Can you please explain me your table ?
What are the numbers stand for ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 06, 05:16 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 06, 05:10 AM 2017
A f****** sexy dealer can spin up to 60 spins every hour on a speed roulette wheel ... so 100k are spins for 70 days
It loses every 59049spins, the pesky zero will shorten that, not forgetting disconnections and table limits.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Taotie on Oct 06, 05:48 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 04:33 AM 2017I was being sarcastic.
Holy crap. Sarcasm and the internet have never fared well together, lol.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 06, 05:58 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 05:09 AM 2017
King todays check points


(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/10/06/temp_957222.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/7a4c)
15 non-hits in spins 11-40
5,+0
10,+0,
14,-1  on the avg 15 in 30 spins,  -2 on avg30 at spin 60

At spin 33 +70 just betting non-hit
Checkpoints covers 60 spins. It wasmade by priyanka, the only part that does not show properly is spins 31-40 the plus part is wrong, he/she said to correct it do this, but i can't get to show what it should read 23,-1

So spins 1-10 shows 9 non-hit have come, so you read 9/10. now the next 30 spins, 11-40 on avg 15.8 non-hit come, so i drop the .8 making 15 in spins 11-40.
So this follows perfectly
spins 11-20, 5 non-hit came, so we expect 10 more in spins 21-40.
We see spins 21-30, 10 non-hit have come in spins 11-30, half the 20 spins have been 10 of the remaining 28 and 10 have been repeats
Now 20 of the 30 spins, spins 11-30 have given 10 non-hit so we expect to see 5 of the remaining 18 non-hit come,  spins 31-40, 4 of the remaining came, meaning in the 30 spins, 11-40 we had 14 of the expected 15, so -1

Make it easy when you've had 1st 10 spins,like here, 9/10, just add 9+15=24, so at spin 39/40 you should of had 15 non-hit, but as you see its showing 23 non-hit have come.

If you look in Nottophammer topic ,theres the avg 15
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 06, 06:07 AM 2017
King
this checkpint box i'll post up in nottophammer topic as this thread is about cheating with software, if steve had to play without his computers could he win, he talks the talk, bla bla bla  :yawn:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 06:52 AM 2017
Does somebody know this software : roulette behaviour analysis ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 09:20 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 06:07 AM 2017
King
this checkpint box i'll post up in nottophammer topic as this thread is about cheating with software, if steve had to play without his computers could he win, he talks the talk, bla bla bla  :yawn:

So you talking about the law of thirds ...
Moral of the story: numerical disadvantages are an illusion and can be cancelled out, and always remain disciplined.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 09:24 AM 2017
Casino chain bans gambler who won £28,000 on roulette wheel in two months using secret system

A gambler's winning streak was cut short after he was banned from casinos across Britain after winning £28,000 playing roulette with his 'no-lose' system. Balvinder Sambhi, from Birmingham, scooped the fortune in just two months using a secret betting pattern which he has spent years perfecting. But he claims he was so successful


Anyone knows more about this guy ???
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Lucky7Red on Oct 06, 09:27 AM 2017
It was another casino scam " a secret betting pattern "
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 09:49 AM 2017
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 06, 09:27 AM 2017
It was another casino scam " a secret betting pattern "

Are you sure ? What do you know more ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Lucky7Red on Oct 06, 10:50 AM 2017
link:s://:.roulettestrategyreviews.com/balvinder-sambhi-roulette-system/ (link:s://:.roulettestrategyreviews.com/balvinder-sambhi-roulette-system/)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 03:15 PM 2017
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 06, 10:50 AM 2017
link:s://:.roulettestrategyreviews.com/balvinder-sambhi-roulette-system/ (link:s://:.roulettestrategyreviews.com/balvinder-sambhi-roulette-system/)

Thank you..
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 03:27 PM 2017
The experts know that roulette works like a car,aircraft or any other machine, there are a lot things happening in background that produce the output which we call the winning number ... many study and analyze the  (outputs) that's a total waste of time.. you should study the backrgound events
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 03:55 PM 2017
Okay..let's talk simple roulette... why a player lose in roulette?
say we have a player and he bets on one dozen, he will lose in two cases:
1- his dozen takes long time to appear
or
2- he runs out o money before his dozen appears.

Let's focus on the first reason, why does a dozen take long time to appear?
because there is no strict relationship between the numbes of the dozen as they have also nothing in common.. another potentail cause is that one dozen can show up multiple conescutive times in a row...
But how can we overcome this problem? the answer is we should look at the backgorund events which produced this output...if you look deeper you will find that these events work completely different than the outputs you see on the table...
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: 3Nine on Oct 06, 03:57 PM 2017
The weird thing is you can have several INDEPENDENT games at the same time, and all are losers at the same time.  With 2 players, one playing the opposite of the other, both will lose in the long run!
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:09 PM 2017
Quote from: 3Nine on Oct 06, 03:57 PM 2017
The weird thing is you can have several INDEPENDENT games at the same time, and all are losers at the same time.  With 2 players, one playing the opposite of the other, both will lose in the long run!

Well, you hit the nail on the head with this.
the reason of this is the so-called house's edge, remember that the roulette is a battle between the player and the house, the house has more power "The Maths", they are ahead with one additional soldier "Mr Green"  and they are stronger financially and they are not in rush!
All these things going to make a long term battle using "the known strategies" with the house a losing battle.

But the player has a weapon that can threaten the dominance of the house.... you know what ist it?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 06, 04:21 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:09 PM 2017


But the player has a weapon that can threaten the dominance of the house.... you know what ist it?

Carry on. ...
(Pls don't say patience or triggers)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 06, 04:30 PM 2017
QuoteBut the player has a weapon that can threaten the dominance of the house.... you know what ist it?

yes ..not being stupid and look after his money :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:56 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 06, 04:21 PM 2017
Carry on. ...
(Pls don't say patience or triggers)

The car has gears, the roulette has as well..these are the events
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 06, 05:48 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 06, 04:56 PM 2017
The car has gears, the roulette has as well..these are the events

Ok. Im listening.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 06, 06:25 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 06, 05:48 PM 2017
Ok. Im listening.

Voila... they always say if a system wins flatbet then it's a winner system... here it's
only 11 numbers covered .... the impossible is behind us





8   L
15  L
3   L
20  W
32  L
20  L
11  W
27  W
2   L
29  L
0   L
18  L
33  L
28  L
22  L
14  W
30  W
26  L
26  L
30  L
13  W
8   W
32  W
36  L
5   L
31  L
20  W
34  W
20  L
7   L
1   L
19  W
4   W
21  W
29  L
13  L
32  W
13  L
6   W
6   L
29  L
11  L
35  L
29  L
17  L
5   L
34  W
19  L
10  L
33  W
30  L
32  L
18  L
5   W
34  W
36  W
0   L
33  W
1   W
22  L
31  W
24  L
2   L
19  W
35  L
28  W
10  L
11  L
27  W
14  L
8   L
28  L
3   W
26  W
17  L
19  L
34  L
6   W
27  W
20  W
35  L
6   W
20  L
7   L
35  W
11  W
16  L
23  L
25  W
1   L
8   L
35  L
6   W
33  L
21  L
18  L
4   L
20  L
5   L
17  W


W 37  + 925
L 63   -  693
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 07, 04:02 AM 2017
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=ISeicYShV2Y

This is what Steve be without his computers
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 07, 04:13 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 06, 06:25 PM 2017
Voila... they always say if a system wins flatbet then it's a winner system... here it's
only 11 numbers covered .... the impossible is behind us


Is it behind us ? I'm curious. Pls continue explaining
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 07, 05:40 AM 2017
Notto i don't need a computer. If you've been paying attention you'd know this, but just like being a dick
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 07, 05:59 AM 2017
steve i dont look at all the replies in useless topics.
But you'd still be useless
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 07, 06:02 AM 2017
But steve seems very confident with is computers..yet he didn't tell us about his fortune :)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 07, 07:14 AM 2017
Notto, you're a dickhead
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 07, 07:20 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 07, 07:14 AM 2017
Notto, you're a dickhead

Steve thanks, good to know your feathers are ruffled, can you hear your song that the Liverpool boys are singing, LMAO
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 07, 07:34 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 07, 07:14 AM 2017
Notto, you're a dickhead

:twisted:

A funny dickhead that is
:girl_to:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 07, 09:29 AM 2017
Hey guys.

Dare i ask everybody here how much does he make on roulette everymonth?
Be honest though!
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 07, 09:55 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 07, 09:29 AM 2017
Hey guys.

Dare i ask everybody here how much does he make on roulette everymonth?
Be honest though!
Other than 2 test plays at dublinbet won 129euro, have not played roulette at b&m yet. Scheduled start probably next week.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 07, 12:13 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 06, 05:48 PM 2017
Ok. Im listening.

so returning to the point, holy Grail system is that one which never lose. Semi Holy Grail system is that one which wins always in long run.

in short there is no holy grail but semi holy grail system..

Take 500 spins from live wheel and test any system against the entire 500 spins, if you come ahead either with flatbet or prog with all the ups and downs then you have a Semi Holy Grail ...
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 07, 12:14 PM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 07, 07:20 AM 2017
Steve thanks, good to know your feathers are ruffled, can you hear your song that the Liverpool boys are singing, LMAO

You making a fool of yourself doesn't ruffle my feathers
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 07, 12:39 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 07, 12:13 PM 2017
so returning to the point, holy Grail system is that one which never lose. Semi Holy Grail system is that one which wins always in long run.

in short there is no holy grail but semi holy grail system..

Take 500 spins from live wheel and test any system against the entire 500 spins, if you come ahead either with flatbet or prog with all the ups and downs then you have a Semi Holy Grail ...
Most people sees the HG as a no losing system.

Winning system is not the real hurdle. Expected drawdown that guides the bankroll and stake size which together gives the roi is the real issue. Unless the returns is viable, I won't risk a dime or waste time HG or not.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 07, 12:54 PM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 07, 12:14 PM 2017
You making a fool of yourself doesn't ruffle my feathers
Yet you reply  ;)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Noreilles on Oct 07, 04:20 PM 2017
And would you mind sharing how you choose your 11 numbers below?

Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 06, 06:25 PM 2017
Voila... they always say if a system wins flatbet then it's a winner system... here it's
only 11 numbers covered .... the impossible is behind us





8   L
15  L
3   L
20  W
32  L
20  L
11  W
27  W
2   L
29  L
0   L
18  L
33  L
28  L
22  L
14  W
30  W
26  L
26  L
30  L
13  W
8   W
32  W
36  L
5   L
31  L
20  W
34  W
20  L
7   L
1   L
19  W
4   W
21  W
29  L
13  L
32  W
13  L
6   W
6   L
29  L
11  L
35  L
29  L
17  L
5   L
34  W
19  L
10  L
33  W
30  L
32  L
18  L
5   W
34  W
36  W
0   L
33  W
1   W
22  L
31  W
24  L
2   L
19  W
35  L
28  W
10  L
11  L
27  W
14  L
8   L
28  L
3   W
26  W
17  L
19  L
34  L
6   W
27  W
20  W
35  L
6   W
20  L
7   L
35  W
11  W
16  L
23  L
25  W
1   L
8   L
35  L
6   W
33  L
21  L
18  L
4   L
20  L
5   L
17  W


W 37  + 925
L 63   -  693
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 07, 04:45 PM 2017
The guy in this video saying he became a Millionaire. Do we believe him?

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_8p68tDVW1w
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 07, 05:06 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 07, 04:45 PM 2017
The guy in this video saying he became a Millionaire. Do we believe him?

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_8p68tDVW1w

Lol. Nope.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 08, 04:11 PM 2017
New test : Bet on 11 magic numbers, flatbet W=16, L=32, Profit (48)

21  l
18  l
24  w
29  l
6   l
4   w
22  l
27  w
33  l
15  w
31  w
4   l
22  l
25  w
36  w
12  l
1   l
29  w
27  l
21  l
16  l
2   
25  w
10  l
1   l
24  l
23  l
0   l
23  w
14  w
24  w
28  l
36  l
5   l
35  l
32  l
1   w
23  l
33  w
13  w
8   l
17  l
8   l
2   l
31  l
9   l
1   l
22  w
1   l
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 08, 04:58 PM 2017
you agree?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: iar000 on Oct 08, 05:05 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 08, 04:11 PM 2017
New test : Bet on 11 magic numbers, flatbet W=16, L=32, Profit (48)

21  l
18  l
24  w
29  l
6   l
4   w
22  l
27  w
33  l
15  w
31  w
4   l
22  l
25  w
36  w
12  l
1   l
29  w
27  l
21  l
16  l
2   
25  w
10  l
1   l
24  l
23  l
0   l
23  w
14  w
24  w
28  l
36  l
5   l
35  l
32  l
1   w
23  l
33  w
13  w
8   l
17  l
8   l
2   l
31  l
9   l
1   l
22  w
1   l






Can you tell me your method

thanks
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 09, 08:08 AM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Oct 08, 05:05 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 08, 04:11 PM 2017
New test : Bet on 11 magic numbers, flatbet W=16, L=32, Profit (48)

21  l
18  l
24  w
29  l
6   l
4   w
22  l
27  w
33  l
15  w
31  w
4   l
22  l
25  w
36  w
12  l
1   l
29  w
27  l
21  l
16  l
2   
25  w
10  l
1   l
24  l
23  l
0   l
23  w
14  w
24  w
28  l
36  l
5   l
35  l
32  l
1   w
23  l
33  w
13  w
8   l
17  l
8   l
2   l
31  l
9   l
1   l
22  w
1   l






Can you tell me your method

thanks

why?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Jun on Oct 09, 08:21 AM 2017
Kingmaq, you are talking about movements.

They are called Movements. ;)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 03:20 PM 2017
Don’t ask for his method

If people want to share, they will
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 09, 04:07 PM 2017
today i found something that has changed my understaning completely about roulette, something that blows all of the statements/ or fallacies you have repeatedly heard about roulette.

in short, i have always heard that roulette is a game of chance or can't be beatable...sorry guys, all that was bullshit.

Roulette can be beaten, but most of the people haven't the required knowledge and skills to beat it..roulette is only beatable with skills... most people lack the required skills so they abandoned the game claiming it's a game of chance...which is true if you look at the game from an external perspective...
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 09, 04:40 PM 2017
Quoteforget it, it won't work... we said it before and we repeat it now.. no bets on the table's layout gonna win longterm


your words... :xd: :xd: :xd:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 09, 05:27 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 07, 12:13 PM 2017Take 500 spins from live wheel and test any system against the entire 500 spins, if you come ahead either with flatbet or prog with all the ups and downs then you have a Semi Holy Grail ...
i only need 40 to 60 spins, would not be anywhere near 500 spins.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 05:45 PM 2017
Kingmac, yes ive been saying that, and giving ample proof including free methods and software to see for themselves. But most people are lazy. Some people know vaguely. They don't understand the problem of roulette, so they keep trying guaranteed losing approaches. Really if they properly read things they would save themselves a lot of time.

But before the problem with their understanding is their attitude of not wanting to find out.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 09, 05:50 PM 2017
steve see the time maestro there, 6223 now 6447 (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/10/09/temp_713123.jpg) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/JFzc)

So i'm the dickhead LMAO
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 09, 05:51 PM 2017
your own rigged spins  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 09, 05:57 PM 2017
Mr BLA,BLA
1st game this morning started 9:30 with 4951 and now upto 6447, oh i know nothing or perhaps you know nothing, remember the song Fucking useless, thats you
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 09, 06:00 PM 2017
speaking to JUN #2 on leaderboard and agrees you're full of shit
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 08:10 PM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 09, 05:50 PM 2017steve see the time maestro there, 6223 now 6447

That's nothing. I did better for years with losing systems (with real money), until I learned my lesson. I did even better with play money.

Quote from: nottophammer
link=topic=19467.msg184171#msg184171 date=1507585815
So i'm the dickhead LMAO

Yes

Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 09, 05:57 PM 2017Mr BLA,BLA

Yes?
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 09, 05:57 PM 20171st game this morning started 9:30 with 4951 and now upto 6447, oh i know nothing or perhaps you know nothing, remember the song f****** useless, thats you

You are hurting my feelings.

Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 09, 06:00 PM 2017speaking to JUN #2 on leaderboard and agrees you're full of shit

About what every professional in the industry knows about odds and statistics? Yup it's all a big lie and conspiracy to stop you winning.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 10, 02:25 AM 2017
Took your time to think the BS reply
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 10, 02:58 AM 2017
Nice quick 40 spins 6447 went to 6481, because of the stupid times 31 comes out then 13 or better still #4, but end 6508, even left a reply with olendryagina or is that Taotie.
But this old dickhead still kicking the arse out of your rng spins
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/10/10/temp_580000.jpg) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/JeIF)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: ignatus on Oct 10, 03:28 AM 2017
Can you two please stop notto and steve ?

Maybe you don't like steve, notto but there no need for this language, its gonna end up you being moderated or banned?..  :(



Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 10, 03:57 AM 2017
free speech
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 10, 05:37 AM 2017
Only idiots still believe they can win long term with layout bets !!!
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 05:58 AM 2017
kingmaq it sounds like you've clicked. if so, you cant go back now.

ignatus, I dont know what nottos an maestros problems are. I dont much care either, to me its just banter. I dont push anyone without being pushed first. Maybe if they accept my challenge they can apologize to me after the outcome
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 10, 06:39 AM 2017
QuoteI dont know what nottos an maestros problems are.

none..me i dont have problems i am just being a dickhead as i have nothing to do..
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 06:40 AM 2017
ok but this is the wrong place to vent. Its not just us here
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 10, 07:10 AM 2017
A lot of time has been wasted on searching new layout stragedies, and all lead to hell... it's shameful to see that much people still believe in!
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 10, 07:24 AM 2017
Carry out proper test, almost all strategies fail.

I said almost all. From 2, now I have left only one and I'm winning real money flat bet with it at the rate I expect it to - a claim.

If roi is shit or the risk is high I won't even start.

My advice is take every strategy you see as a loser unless proven otherwise.

Don't rely on others broad brush opinion instead conduct proper test.

Expect almost every strategy you test to lose, you won't find any.  :twisted:

You only need one to make money.  :thumbsup:

Remember, it's not only about not losing strategy

It's all about the risk, roi, application and the work.  :smile:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: cht on Oct 10, 07:34 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 10, 07:24 AM 2017
Carry out proper test, almost all strategies fail.

I said almost all. From 2, now I have left only one and I'm winning real money flat bet with it at the rate I expect it to - a claim.

If roi is shit or the risk is high I won't even start.

My advice is take every strategy you see as a loser unless proven otherwise.

Don't rely on others broad brush opinion instead conduct proper test.

Expect almost every strategy you test to lose, you won't find any.  :twisted:

You only need one to make money.  :thumbsup:

Remember, it's not only about not losing strategy

It's all about the risk, roi, application and the work.  :smile:
I can't edit so I add here one last acid test.

If you can't bring yourself to put up serious money to play the strategy, you got nothing.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 10, 07:56 AM 2017
Quoteok but this is the wrong place to vent. Its not just us here


ok i will stop then.. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 08:21 AM 2017
Quote from: maestro on Oct 10, 07:56 AM 2017

ok i will stop then.. :thumbsup:

now you want peace?
f*** you.

(of course im kidding)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 10, 11:07 AM 2017
Quotenow you want peace?
f*** you.



so do i... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Andre Chass on Oct 10, 01:16 PM 2017
What the hell is going on here?

What a hostile place...

I think I'll move on to other forum...
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: maestro on Oct 10, 01:20 PM 2017
QuoteWhat the hell is going on here?

What a hostile place...

I think I'll move on to other forum.


please do not..i will change and be a good person :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Andre Chass on Oct 10, 01:24 PM 2017
Children can not play roulette... Only adults!
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 10, 02:53 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 10, 01:24 PM 2017
Children can not play roulette... Only adults!

I think Andre is a good guy, he is making money :), he doesn't fit here in this forum, we are all mad and nasty guys here except Andre.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 10, 03:17 PM 2017
 Of course he's a decent member. But playing that method..... :o  :-\
I tried years to bring the amount of numbers down. And he does the opposite. Lol.

Well I'll hope luck is on his side  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 11, 06:11 AM 2017
Hey Steve,

I have a fat problem with my expectation, the ball's direction sometimes ruining my selection, i see the ball landing exactly symmetrical on the other side.

You sure familiar with this problem.

Do you have a tip for me  ? Thx
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 06:48 AM 2017
Its probably because the ball hits mostly two particular diamonds. The end result is a win, or miss by a consistent angle. In your case its the 180 degrees. Its very common.

If youre familiar with jump charts, it causes multiple peaks. One solution is bet the two likely areas. But theres more to it because different rotor speeds will change the angle difference, the bounce predictability, and may even shift peaks because of how the ball is deflected. Its less of a problem if you stick to spins pr dealers that mostly have the same rotor speed range. Then the multiple areas are more predictable.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 11, 07:58 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 06:48 AM 2017
Its probably because the ball hits mostly two particular diamonds. The end result is a win, or miss by a consistent angle. In your case its the 180 degrees. Its very common.

If youre familiar with jump charts, it causes multiple peaks. One solution is bet the two likely areas. But theres more to it because different rotor speeds will change the angle difference, the bounce predictability, and may even shift peaks because of how the ball is deflected. Its less of a problem if you stick to spins pr dealers that mostly have the same rotor speed range. Then the multiple areas are more predictable.

the hot diamond is Fucking our prediction, covering multiple areas is the only way then !
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 08:06 AM 2017
In most cases you should cover multiple areas. On each spin, there are wheel sectors that are more and less likely to have the winning number. But its not so simple. You need to consider cause and effect. Its the same case with the stock markets. Prices move because of variables.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 11, 08:14 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 08:06 AM 2017
In most cases you should cover multiple areas. On each spin, there are wheel sectors that are more and less likely to have the winning number. But its not so simple. You need to consider cause and effect. Its the same case with the stock markets. Prices move because of variables.

I don't agree with this, if the calculus are correct, you should get the finger pointed to a particular number, still you can cover a few numbers around the predicted "hot bird".
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 11, 08:44 AM 2017
Hey Steve

I saw you offered a webpage where one can evaluate his wheel, he inputs some numbers and he gets wheel rating.

What is the minimum required rating in order to profit from the wheel ?
I saw most of the wheels have approx 62% rating, is this enough ?
Thx
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 07:16 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 11, 08:14 AM 2017
I don't agree with this, if the calculus are correct, you should get the finger pointed to a particular number, still you can cover a few numbers around the predicted "hot bird".

You cant predict exact diamond without precise calculations. Can be done with a computer. So you will usually get multiple areas to bet.

Also you mean the general wheel rating. I'm not doing them anymore as i don't have time
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 11, 07:35 PM 2017
S
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 07:16 PM 2017
You cant predict exact diamond without precise calculations. Can be done with a computer. So you will usually get multiple areas to bet.

Also you mean the general wheel rating. I'm not doing them anymore as i don't have time
steve, have a look at the post i wrote in another thread "breakout system" and tell me you opinion.
An outstanding dynamic betselection that proved its efficiency and came ahead after extensive test
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 12, 04:33 AM 2017
Which post exactly?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 04:57 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 12, 04:33 AM 2017
Which post exactly?

The post in this thread "breakout system" go ahead check it

Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Steve on Oct 12, 05:09 AM 2017
 Yes but which post number in the thread? Otherwise id have to read them all then figure out what you're referring to.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 05:25 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 12, 05:09 AM 2017
Yes but which post number in the thread? Otherwise id have to read them all then figure out what you're referring to.

Page 2, it's about a genius betselection that proved its efficieny in extensive tests phase, it's completely dynamic :)

Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 05:37 AM 2017
Denzie,

I dunno how good is your knowledge  about dynamics and motions.

if These themes are of interest to you we can go further, otherwise go and search another easier approach
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 12, 05:40 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 12, 05:37 AM 2017
Denzie,

I dunno how good is your knowledge  about dynamics and motions.

if These themes are of interest to you we can go further, otherwise go and search another easier approach

I'm always interested to learn more. Do carry on  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: psimoes on Oct 12, 05:48 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 12, 05:09 AM 2017
Yes but which post number in the thread? Otherwise id have to read them all then figure out what you're referring to.

It´s only a HIT/MISS list, nothing more.
How can we see the post number?

Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 05:49 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 05:40 AM 2017
I'm always interested to learn more. Do carry on  :thumbsup:
Roulette is another game of chance that is absolutely predictable, given sufficient knowledge of the initial conditions and forces involved.

knowing the initial state of a quantum system with high precision, as well as all of its relevant forces, would enable calculation of all of its future states.



Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 05:50 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 05:48 AM 2017
It´s only a HIT/MISS list, nothing more.
How can we see the post number?

Do you think I wrote this ?
The system validates the bets and give the result.
If you want I can write you the numbers tonight

In short, for every spin (reference point is the pocket from which the ball is spun) a 19 neighbors numbers are selected ( are not necessarily near the reference point ) the system validate and give HIt or miss

You got it ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: psimoes on Oct 12, 05:59 AM 2017
"Nothing more" because it´s only a list of results. Not enough data. What do you think Steve will make of it.
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 06:02 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 05:59 AM 2017
"Nothing more" because it´s only a list of results. Not enough data. What do you think Steve will make of it.

Steve knows very well !
For you it seems unclear!
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 12, 06:44 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 12, 05:50 AM 2017

In short, for every spin (reference point is the pocket from which the ball is spun) a 19 neighbors numbers are selected ( are not necessarily near the reference point ) the system validate and give HIt or miss

You got it ?

19 numbers is quite a lot. So you look at which number the ball enters the wheel ? (so far I agree coz it's a big difference between spun or landed). I'm going to throw a guess here....

You Try to figure out (probably with tracking first ) which diamond is most likely to hit from that reference point ? Based on that you place the chips ?

Or I'm totally wrong here ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 07:00 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 06:44 AM 2017
19 numbers is quite a lot. So you look at which number the ball enters the wheel ? (so far I agree coz it's a big difference between spun or landed). I'm going to throw a guess here....

You Try to figure out (probably with tracking first ) which diamond is most likely to hit from that reference point ? Based on that you place the chips ?

Or I'm totally wrong here ?

19 is a lot ?
Yes, no, maybe..in short it depends !
It profited with 19 numbers, so it can also with less numbers.

Forget all techniques you have mentioned... I will narrow it, for every result you have two variables (rotor speed and ball speed) that produce the result..


Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 12, 07:04 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 12, 07:00 AM 2017

Forget all techniques you have mentioned... I will narrow it, for every result you have two variables (rotor speed and ball speed) that produce the result..

Uhm ok.............
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 07:18 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 07:04 AM 2017
Uhm ok.............

You shouldn't fear betting on more numbers !
Supposing you have an advanced method, You should first find out the gap or delta (maximum number of lose's occurence in a row ) once you find out the gap you can figure out the optimal numbers to bet on
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 12, 07:28 AM 2017
Carry on....



(Oh and when you know the delta? How many spins till you got that)
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 07:32 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 07:28 AM 2017
Carry on....



(Oh and when you know the delta? How many spins till you got that)

Not less than a few hundred thousands of spins...
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 12, 08:18 AM 2017
 Ok...So How you measure the rotor and ballspeed ?
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 12, 09:46 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 08:18 AM 2017
Ok...So How you measure the rotor and ballspeed ?

Before we start we need to clarify some points and concepts, the roulettes is chaotic and not random, in which the non linear equations need input parameters, this model is deterministic only with precise condition, Einstein'statement about roulette was essentially an approximation of his general mathematical theories, unfortunately for Einstein, whose reference was for a deterministic projection, as at least currently forumlated and interpreted that the roulette isn't deterministic.
So the Chaos theory came and proved the opposite
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 12, 11:56 AM 2017
Alright,  we're all ears (eyes actually lol)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: Lucky7Red on Oct 12, 12:31 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 12, 09:46 AM 2017
Before we start we need to clarify some points and concepts, the roulettes is chaotic and not random, in which the non linear equations need input parameters, this model is deterministic only with precise condition, Einstein'statement about roulette was essentially an approximation of his general mathematical theories, unfortunately for Einstein, whose reference was for a deterministic projection, as at least currently forumlated and interpreted that the roulette isn't deterministic.
So the Chaos theory came and proved the opposite
We need someone who really understand chaos theory and roulette, it is good to have you here  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Steve way
Post by: denzie on Oct 12, 01:48 PM 2017
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 12, 12:31 PM 2017
We need someone who really understand chaos theory and roulette

I agree but....First let's see what King has to say  :thumbsup: