I'll just leave this here coz many are emailed me for help etc....
Few months back I started looking in vb seriously. So seriously I starting to see the ball double from watching and practising accuracy of predictions. Pfff. Many breaks are required. But at a certain point I'm started to get it. My predictions did pretty good. ( I could mostly guess which area it would land on).
Now the area....What to bet? So as I like hotties/repeaters it wasn't hard to choose my bet. So you say repeaters are useless. I disagree!
How to attack? Sit your ass down. Check the diamonds as at the same time write the numbers spun. After you got the data(check also rotations etc.)...start betting. Mostly it's 1-2 numbers per spin. (Unless the # are all in the same area)
Throw some small chips on the table while tracking. But stuff like that we all know. Don't lose your seat. This works online too. Try immersive roulette for example.
So there ya go. Start practising vb with YouTube or other sources. It's boring but at some point you will know where the ball will drop. Once you know that...you know which few # to bet. Of course you will miss many times but...the repeaters method mostly win without vb so you will win.....Yep You will win! Accuracy of predictions, few numbers and increase br after winning. You can put steve1212 his mm on it. Or flatbet...
The thing is....most Will not play it coz it requires some work. But anyway here it is. Have a great weekend
Oh one more thing. Track the dealers work too. Start by writing down there names. See how they throw the ball. I mean...Some dealers throw the same gap area a lot. You can use that as well.
Denzie way, Steve way, Nottophamer way, all wrong ways 😴😡
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 07, 07:23 AM 2017
Denzie way, Steve way, Nottophamer way, all wrong ways 😴😡
Alright cool. Then enlighten us what is the correct way :thumbsup:
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 07, 07:23 AM 2017
Denzie way, Steve way, Nottophamer way, all wrong ways 😴😡
Fully paid up member of the Steve club, another one for the song :thumbsup:
Put everything on RED and also num.7 bro how much you can.
Denzie, I dont want to have anything against anyone, including you. I know I did message some members on the forum to help me code, but it was only becouse I thought I had a winning method, and unfortunately it failed. For real my intentions where never to bother a single person and I apologize if I did, including to you.
Don't doit on Denzie way, you can do better on your way 👿
Quote from: romano0327 on Oct 07, 08:05 AM 2017
Denzie, I dont want to have anything against anyone, including you. I know I did message some members on the forum to help me code, but it was only becouse I thought I had a winning method, and unfortunately it failed. For real my intentions where never to bother a single person and I apologize if I did, including to you.
someone in italy says he has found the unbeatable system for roulette..
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 07, 08:58 AM 2017
Don't doit on Denzie way, you can do better on your way 👿
Well at least I agree with that. Do what you think is best. Of course don't come crying afterwards :lol:
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 07, 07:53 AM 2017
Put everything on RED and also num.7 bro how much you can.
Very solid method. I'll sell my properties and go all in :lol:
instead of putting everything on Red, try this.
Guys and gals, tell you a little story.
Today I was on the way to the casino to play my method, met this regular and we chatted a bit. He told me about this particular wheel which he saw a bias that he explained to me. He made me soooo curious and remembered denzie's thread that I decided to check it out so I ditched playing to do that.
I took a while looking at the ball, diamonds, rotor and tried to make correlations from base data to the final spin result. There's a 5-10seconds gap between the dealer spins the ball and nmb. After getting hang of ball release point, ball drop point, dominant diamond, rotor speed and after taking data based on those inputs I felt confident enough to make predictions.
Wanna know the result of my calls ? 10calls, I got 8correct 2fail within 30spins. I go WTF ?!?!?!
Yes I went estatic at the potential of VB, I believe that's what people call it. Denzie was the 1st person that got me partially interested till this local guy.
The next thing I did was to scour the entire casino for wheels that gives this 5-10seconds gap till nmb. There're only 4 that fits the bill. I started work on the 2nd wheel on the other side of the casino and the same thing happened. A set of 10calls, 7correct 3fail.
I was thinking is this for real. I went to do a repeat test on this 1st wheel and guess what the result was the same. Took a bit the went back to test this 2nd wheel, no different.
My 1st day at VB and 2 more wheels to test, that's my 8hrs day tired, twisted eyes and happy.
I'm telling you my story is to let you guys know about the potential of VB. I know I'm a greenhorn rookie at this but seeing is believing.
Listen up guys and gals - Try VB out. Don't miss out on a good thing. It's not difficult just have to use logic to make the correlations. Yes the eyes hurt after a while.
Thanks denzie, if not for what you wrote you did the past 6months.
Quote"...the repeaters method mostly win ..."
Wich repeaters method?
Quote from: cht on Oct 13, 11:15 AM 2017
Guys and gals, tell you a little story.
Listen up guys and gals - Try VB out. Don't miss out on a good thing. It's not difficult just have to use logic to make the correlations. Yes the eyes hurt after a while.
Thanks denzie, if not for what you wrote you did the past 6months.
And it just happend to you, how lucky you are, play tomorrow and you will see your vb :lol:
Quote from: cht on Oct 13, 11:15 AM 2017
Thanks denzie, if not for what you wrote you did the past 6months.
Alright thx. Much appreciated for that. Happy to see someone tried and listened.
As time goes you get better and better. My advice is don't play to long. Iow as long as your focus is sharp. Well..The losses will tell you when it's time to wrap it up.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 13, 11:41 AM 2017
And it just happend to you, how lucky you are, play tomorrow and you will see your vb :lol:
Your the man :thumbsup:
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 13, 11:41 AM 2017
And it just happend to you, how lucky you are, play tomorrow and you will see your vb :lol:
I plan to complete testing the remaining 2tables. Do a complete retest of all 4tables. I'll let you know if I was plain lucky today.
Todays test results of 2wheels within 30 spins -
Wheel1 1st test - 10calls, 8correct, 2fail
Wheel 2nd test - 10call, 7correct, 3fail
Wheel2 1st test - 10calls, 7correct, 3fail
Wheel2 2nd test - 10calls, 7correct, 3fail
Thanks for the tips denzie.
I can not see any material or information about visual ballistics with this topic
1) Maybe you can explain step by step how to measuring the ball speed and estimate it correctly
2) Maybe you can explain step by step how to measuring the drop zone where ball hit deflectors
3) Maybe you can explain step by step how to pick the correct dominant reference deflectors based upon the drop zone
4) Maybe you can explain step by step how to pick the reference number or the visual read where you get distance from point A to B (drop point)
5) Maybe you can explain how to chart and track all this information with pen and papper making notes after spin is done
6) Maybe you can explain how small the edge is with todays wheels - if any - using visual ballistics
Thanks for your time
There's a lot of questions listed there. I, a skeptic, had the same list of questions about VB earlier. How can all that be done ?
The breakthrough for me is when this regular mate told me something that he observed/caught that made it click. Btw that guy is on it like me, no play just seeing. And that's what I'll do next week start Monday, seeing and recording notes.
I'm certain steve and denzie who have more "eyes time" on the ball and wheel should know this one all important point above all else. That is, you need to choose the correct wheel for VB, it won't work on all wheels. That means this single most important characteristic present must be stable and consistent.
Ask them both, steve and denzie, they might share a bit more about whatever. All I will say is seeing is believing. And it's a skill, you get better with more seeing. It's not about theory but requires practice, the more the better.
The pen and paper part is not necessary for real play. All you need is your good pair of eyes. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ego on Oct 13, 12:47 PM 2017
6) Maybe you can explain how small the edge is with todays wheels - if any - using visual ballistics
The edge with VB -
1. This mate is a regular baccarat player betting stakes 500euro per hand. He has stopped betting and turned to roulette VB recently
2. I am also a regular baccarat player with my mate. If this result today is confirmed to hold into future test, I'll drop bacarrat, forget about that 1roulette system that I'm suppose to play today, it's VB for me.
3. Did you read what denzie do the past 6months?
My biggest concern right now is how to conceal that I'm a VB player. Becos I can recognise one when I see them now.
I hope you guys and gals get the point.
I am not sure i understand your point of view - maybe you can tell me more about your way doing things
For example take a wheel with three vertical deflectors hitting more frequent and you know how to pick the vertical reference deflector so all the ball jumps from that point donate into same area/spread
Then the ball jumps and the scatter patterns will become so wide that it become pure guess work in what pocket the ball will rest/stop
That is one issue among others - so i would love to hear some one explain that part for me
Also No More Bets are much more early with todays dealers and casinos and all known ways to measuring ball speed is done 3456 laps before drop - you never see some one explain how to estimate the ball speed 89 10 laps before drop
Reason is that there is no more pure visual ballistics and you get elements of wheel signature into the calculation that is not that exact measuring calculation as visual ballistics
This is the two main reason most would say VB is dead and not working with todays wheels
Reason one is that you can not take advantage out of three vertical deflectors hitting frequent as you get to wide scatter patterns or to much erratic ball jumps
The second reson is that you more early you estimate the ball you less exact you can measuring the ball speed and the distance between point A to point B or visual read to drop point
But if you are such expert then feel free to explain
Cheers
Valid 2 questions.
I'm no expert, just a rookie carrying out proper test that's all.
Of course I have to answer those 2questions myself. I have given the answer to one of the questions actually. :smile:
I leave it to steve and denzie, the experts to answer those 2 questions if they will.
First..I'm not an expert. I guess it take years?
Few things imo...We don't only play against the wheel but for sure against the dealer. With steves computers I guess that doesn't matter. His camera is faster than our eyes. (Should be)
But we don't have that..only eyes
That being said...play busy tables.
To detect the dominant diamonds I don't need to explain right ? (Most wheels have them)
Ballspeed..question...did you actually practiced vb for hours and hours? If yes , couldn't you SEE after few rounds it's making the speed you can recognise?
Scatter....check the ball (not the wee wee ball as Ken calls it. That sucker jumps all over the place). There's always spins with to much scatter but mostly it's not to hard to see what the ball gonna do. (And we can't win each bet coz of that)
What does it for me ?
A busy dealer.
The dealer
The average ball
The number under the launch
The visual speed of the ball
Of course the diamonds
Average scatter
Average pockets when hit the diamond
You can read fancy stuff about vb but to be honest....pfff It drove me nuts.
My advice is to practice and train your eyes. And don't place a single bet until you can confirm your ready to place it.
Now to be honest my results aren't that good as cht. But my results are more than good enough to get my hit in 10 spin gap. (Im guessing his mate told him some good info which I'm curious about. Pm me. Lol.)
I can't get technical as I learn by staring like a zombie to the wheel. And of course in those live spin training videos with the same dealer/wheel you can beat that TINY HE quickly. But then you gotta do it to other wheels and dealers...And So it begins.....
I did it with TRAINING.
And I also pick those vb guys out easily.
No idea if it's any help as your looking for technical explanation. I'll leave that to Steve. He's the pro
Well you sure make it sound easy and is not
Most old material about estimating ball speeds is working and i know them and master most of them
But the point is that does ways does no longer work with todays dealers and casinos because they launch no more bets before six laps to end
And that is where all old ways estimate the ball speed
So my point is that if you don't know how to estimate ball speed much more early - then you can not estimate the ball later as you can not find working condition where they allow you to play and place bet predicting late during spin
So all old visual ballistic knowledge is out the window
Assume you now can estimate the ball more early then seven laps before drop - then you can not measuring ball speed as good as the other methods that estimate ball speed later during spin - this has to do with physics and duration with ball speed
Then you get closer to wheel signature solution then pure visual ballistics
You gave a very fuzzy description about the drop zone - you can not just walk up to a wheel and say - yes only three vertical deflector hits
You need to understand what vertical deflector should be your reference deflector for clockwise direction and wish one for anti clockwise direction
Here you determine reference deflector so all ball jumps goes in one direction
About wider scatter patterns you can not find trusted peak using average or common peaks
The reason is that short medium and large ball jumps might be erratic
If we get into deeper discussion i can mention some solutions -
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Oct 13, 03:14 PM 2017
Well you sure make it sound easy and is not
Most old material about estimating ball speeds is working and i know them and master most of them
But the point is that does ways does no longer work with todays dealers and casinos because they launch no more bets before six laps to end
And that is where all old ways estimate the ball speed
So my point is that if you don't know how to estimate ball speed much more early - then you can not estimate the ball later as you can not find working condition where they allow you to play and place bet predicting late during spin
So all old visual ballistic knowledge is out the window
Assume you now can estimate the ball more early then seven laps before drop - then you can not measuring ball speed as good as the other methods that estimate ball speed later during spin - this has to do with physics and duration with ball speed
Then you get closer to wheel signature solution then pure visual ballistics
You gave a very fuzzy description about the drop zone - you can not just walk up to a wheel and say - yes only three vertical deflector hits
You need to understand what vertical deflector should be your reference deflector for clockwise direction and wish one for anti clockwise direction
Here you determine reference deflector so all ball jumps goes in one direction
About wider scatter patterns you can not find trusted peak using average or common peaks
The reason is that short medium and large ball jumps might be erratic
If we get into deeper discussion i can mention some solutions -
Cheers
very interesting
Weekend is time off so I did some googling about this subject.
There're 3 classifications of AP that can be used in combination of each other - VB, wheel bias and dealer signature.
Knowing the wheel you play is most important, what method you play will determine which wheel you select to play. Most large casinos use the Cammegh and Huxley. Automated and RRS gives it a different twist. You need to go into details what each of them means, the differences what it does, the recent patents and how they affect your play.
Then there's the ball of different kind, how to recognise them and what difference will they make to the end outcome.
The spin is also important in automated wheels and live dealers how they launch the ball with specific protocol depending on what they were taught. There's the spin within the spin besides long and short spin.
Clocking the ball speed and rotor wheel speed that could be randomly changed mid-spin, how to synchronise the 2 of them that rotate in opposite direction and in reverse for right-left launch. There's also this decelerating air-jets which may be built in.
Drop zone, speed, bounce, scatter and vertical/horizontal(dominant) diamonds add to the chaos.
AP players have to figure out all these input factors how they want to play where they find their advantage. It's like a multidimensional maze many of which lead to dead end. The only tool they use is their eyes plus a sharp brain to execute real-time calculations to come to a decision all this done within 5seconds from launch of the ball and nmb, extra quick hands to lay the inside bets for specific zone or specific few numbers.
How is all of that humanly possible ? :question:
Assume it's possible, how does the casino safeguard themselves ?
RRS, airjet..... If casinos use that punters trust go down revenue hurt. AP players can recognise them if there're used.
Surveillance ?
I suppose that's the cat and mouse game going on in casinos and I'm on this learning journey. Monday here we come.
Its actually not as difficult as you make it sound. Although it depends on your approach. RRS is not really 360 degrees. Never seen 360. Its usually 180, and the edge is roughly halved. So a 50% edge becomes 25% which is still much higher than 2.7%. That's with a good computer. And besides rrs wheels are very rare. Best to avoid them if found.
Rrs doesn't at all affect some methods.
There are more approaches than what you mentioned.
I always tell players it begins with wheel and conditions selection. Choose well and its easy. Choose poorly and you'll struggle.
Putting it all together, its possible to beat almost any wheel one way or another. The limitation comes from mostly needing to avoid detection.
also yes it is like a multidemensional maze. where most methods fail is they dont properly model how variables affect each other and spin outcomes. if you check my other posts i give significant information about it.
the concept behind roulette computers is clear. you can make a simple rc in a few hours. but it will not work in most modern conditions. you need much more.
getting predictions before ball release is even more complicated. look back at what i said about cross refence analysis, to model the relationships.
My opinion is that human ability is much better versus roulette computer
But it would be nice with some discussion about it where Steve are more then welcome to tell us hes view on things
For example lets say i pick the vertical reference deflector that will be the first one to donate ball jumps into the same directions as the other vertical deflectors after it
Now we can not know what deflector will hit - but we can skip the vertical deflector that does not hit and get a spread with three active vertical deflectors hit wish donate ball jumps into the same direction
Assume i can measuring ball speed and get distance from visual read (point A) to hit my reference deflector or one deflector after it (point B)
Then i will maybe get ball jumps with a spread around 65% of the wheel area - that is more then half the wheel with wide scatter patterns using a three deflector game
Then how do i notice short ball jumps - medium ball jumps and large ball jumps - i can not cover that big area or spread
Now i come to the conclusion that if you divide the wheel into three medium sectors from your visual read - then you get three areas
Then we would notice where ball will favour two areas to hit more frequent then others where a bias or peak will emerge
And now we would know where to place our bets
If this assumptions are correct - then how would a computer deal with such situation - i talk to some one who use a roulette computer and he say that deflector hits does not matter and you only need measuring ball speed and distance - if that is true i still don't see how you get around the wide spread of ball jumps with conditions where one wheel has three vertical deflectors hitting eight to nine times out of ten.
What does a roulette computer calculate during the process collecting data - it has to be more to it then average peaks to decide where to place bets -
Cheers
Hi there VB guys, how is your lucky day today?
Humans cant measure ball and rotor speed with 1ms accuracy. They can't mentally calculate slight changes.
Computers can do far more and without any effort
Computers can be simple or complicated
Quote from: Steve on Oct 15, 04:36 PM 2017
Humans cant measure ball and rotor speed with 1ms accuracy. They can't mentally calculate slight changes.
Computers can do far more and without any effort
Computers can be simple or complicated
what if use the spin's results to estimate the speed of ball&rotor?
You can estimate with limitations. Whether or not it's enough depends on many variables
I don't know where to post this. I think this is the thread since I started VB from denzie.
MrPerfect started a thread today on Roulette30 "VB is like shrek...." This post gives a glimpse into VB, you might want to take a look.
link:://forum.x/index.php?topic=1879.msg26765#msg26765
and this thread started a week ago,
link:://forum.x/index.php?topic=1872.0
Thx cht....One of the best links of this forum :thumbsup:
I don't know about you guys, but for most of us who play in brick-and-mortar casinos where computers are NOT allowed, betting according to any (perceived) dealer signature is more doable (and maybe more effective) than all this VB stuff.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Oct 19, 02:46 PM 2017
I don't know about you guys, but for most of us who play in brick-and-mortar casinos where computers are NOT allowed, betting according to any (perceived) dealer signature is more doable (and maybe more effective) than all this VB stuff.
Well DoxtorSudoku some members can not see the difference - for example highlight garbage links and give hints about something they know nothing about - a VB method can easy become a Wheel Signature method ...
There is a known method at other forum - a visual ballistic method or what you call VB method that estimate rotor and ball speed.
This particular method needs timer or some kind of device to measuring time just like a stop watch
The method is simple but give very good results
Now assume most of the user of this VB method search for one particular range of rotor speed to get the easy way to predict ball speed with help of rotor and its numbers using observation and timer
So it depends on certain condition to perform well
Lets say you try to time the ball at 1.2 sec to get one full estimation using ball and rotor combination to get the good condition to become true
With much slower rotor speed or much faster rotor speed this method reference time change during the estimation process so you need to change strategy and adapt to the new condition and situation
Now see how a hybrid change all does parameters becoming a visual ballistic wheel signature - but still VB as you call it - but with better solution
I name it signature as that is what you will see emerge as results
Now lets say you mapping the wheel using the same estimation process i describe about with the VB method
Assume you skip the timer and use a thumper (metronome that vibrates with your mobile phone) and set it to 0.5 sec
So each time you observe the wheel and make a visual read and estimation following the same rules as the VB method with the help or a thumper you might have slow, medium or fast rotor speed and you timings will be different for each spin
You write down the results (mapping) and note each distance and outcome for each result
Now lets say you got 10 medium spins where most of them give you four vibration during the estimation phase and around plus/minus 10 pocket distance to drop point
Then the other results are erratic and with fast and slow rotor where you get other timings and pocket distance and no repeats of the mapping results
Then does who repeat and gave same timings when mapping results give a signature with distance with minus/plus 10 pockets
So you get a same solution as VB - but you don't force you self to find the right conditions - you let the dealer and wheel and that particular day decide what will be most common and give you the option to play that present signature after mapping
So you chart and track all ball speed and rotor combinations and see how the sweet speed unfold or the NORM
With other words you find that particular wheels/dealer weakness
If you want to learn this way of play you can PM me - i will not write about more details then i have as members don't understand the value of it
Cheers
There Is an Old Chinese Proverb That Says ‘A Man Without a good working system Must Never play roulette’
So why do so many miserable people play roulette?
:xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
And the reality is chinise people play roulette without any system, without any math. And they win big everyday all day.
My local casino is all airball
Large Asian crowd usually
They always win big on roulette
I asked a Chinese woman how she kept winning thousands on the airball machine. She said “you just knowâ€
I guess because they play number 8, simply because its name “baâ€, sounds similar to the word “fa†which means “to make a fortune†in chinese... you got it?
:xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Madi on Oct 19, 03:58 PM 2017
And the reality is chinise people play roulette without any system, without any math. And they win big everyday all day.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 19, 04:04 PM 2017
Large Asian crowd usually They always win big on roulette
Rich and Madi,
You / we have a tendency to notice (as a consequence of basic human nature) when people win big at roulette, baccarat, or whatever else -- maybe because when people win money , especially in public settings, they exhibit easily noticeable signals that people around them observe and remember.
However, what about all those times when they are keeping quiet and silent while they are losing even BIGGER amounts?In fact, I would hazard a guess that these
losing episodes far
outnumber (in terms of frequency of occurrence) and far
outweigh (in terms of monetary amounts) those
winning episodes that you guys notice and remember so easily.
Just my .02 cents on this issue.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Oct 19, 02:46 PM 2017
I don't know about you guys, but for most of us who play in brick-and-mortar casinos where computers are NOT allowed, betting according to any (perceived) dealer signature is more doable (and maybe more effective) than all this VB stuff.
I have said it earlier and the purpose why I posted the link is to re-emphasise my experience with real money AP play at b&m casino.
1. That is a little wheel bias, a little dealer signature plus a little visual ballistics goes a long way.
2. I sense from reading others post is they tend to get too technical and theorectical with VB. To clarify, VB discussion tends to be academic, theorectical and scientifically right which has to follow some universal VB rules else it's seen as rubbish VB.
I think differently. Whatever method used has to be simple yet effective to achieve the intended objective, that's to predict the final outcome no matter if they don't fulfil traditional VB rules to qualify as VB or voodoo.
To me a lot of things need to be done within 5secs from spin to nmb at my casino, so what's effective that works gets my thumbsup, not this tradional VB rules or some deep theorectical, technical or scientific stuff which is all good but useless to me cos I'm in this plainly for the money, period.
For the record, today the real money play 1st session is 10spins 7correct, 3 fail, 2nd session 6correct 1fail - the use of my voodoo combo described above and aptly discussed in detail at roulette30 links. I guess I am just lucky and I'm bound to lose biggie when the time comes :lol:
Help yourself if you're(rhetorical you) thinking of making money OR enjoy this technical, theorectical, scientific, logical, which is the best and genuine VB method discussion, the choice is yours. :smile:
Na i am not saying just watching in one day. They r doing for years. I personally know someone who win 50-80 k in one sitting. I follow him everyday 3 months. While we argue the airball is cheat or not , they are putting money in their pocket from that cheat machine. Ye the man also lose 50k in some day. But the overall he is winning big something like $500 k in 3 months. We all know play more number more lose. He play 23 number with different betsize.example
22
33
Now what
I dont know
25
Now what
I dont know what next spin.
He said put on 0 and 11 each $100.if lose he is gonna pay me back. Think about the level of confidence.
0 hit i got big.
What is the math behind this!
He said 2-2= 0, 3-3=0
While we are saying math shows we can beat.
But they are beating this game with birthday number everyday all day.
Ps: they dont come to play with $100
They come with $50k
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Oct 19, 06:28 PM 2017
Rich and Madi,
You / we have a tendency to notice (as a consequence of basic human nature) when people win big at roulette, baccarat, or whatever else -- maybe because when people win money , especially in public settings, they exhibit easily noticeable signals that people around them observe and remember.
However, what about all those times when they are keeping quiet and silent while they are losing even BIGGER amounts?
In fact, I would hazard a guess that these losing episodes far outnumber (in terms of frequency of occurrence) and far outweigh (in terms of monetary amounts) those winning episodes that you guys notice and remember so easily.
Just my .02 cents on this issue.
Spot on.
This is common understanding among chinese players. There's a saying in chinese amongst chinese players when they get praised when in the spotlight winning big -
"You see me win big today, but when I lose big you don't see me."
It's common to see players win big 100++K at baccarat tables in one sitting, but it's also common knowledge to know about the many stories about patrons losing millions at casino games. Losing 100+K is normal, losing 1+million makes it to the headlines. Losing regularly of 30++K at the slots is pitiful.
I read a lot of post about logical whys and hows VB will not work and simple logic tells us that they are correct.
I wonder how many of this same people spend time to look at the wheel and ball in action. How many wheels did they look at? My casino has close to 100 wheels with thousands of patrons every day, peak Sat, Sun and holiday.
I have said it so many times, if this aspect of VB does not work don't try to solve the problem, the simple and effective solution is to AVOID. My entire AP play is built upon this avoidance principle, take on only the simple effective part and discard the rest cumbersome part, that's it.
You can look at vb or wheel/dealers signature as you want but...
Here's the thing : the HE is small. Playing random bets can win too from time to time. But by trying to predict better accuracy it will put you above the HE. You don't need to make the right bet all the time. You just need to win a few. (If you don't play to many numbers that is)
Well the casino profits rather well with a tiny 2.7% edge. Dont you agree?
The House Edge
link:://:.roulettician.com/articles/article1.html
Quote from: Steve on Oct 20, 02:38 PM 2017
Well the casino profits rather well with a tiny 2.7% edge. Dont you agree?
Agreed. And human greed is even more dangerous!
Quote from: denzie on Oct 20, 03:36 PM 2017
Agreed. And human greed is even more dangerous!
maybe we should do like casino, let a computer play/take actions instead of us, this way we get rid of human greed.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 20, 03:46 PM 2017
maybe we should do like casino, let a computer play/take actions instead of us, this way we get rid of human greed.
Then first it needs the waterproof method too
Quote from: Steve on Oct 20, 02:38 PM 2017
Well the casino profits rather well with a tiny 2.7% edge. Dont you agree?
I think the HE is NOT the main reason why most gamblers lose (most of) their money in their casino excursions.
Variance (of the negative type) is the principal reason why casinos make so much money off of their gambling patrons.