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Title: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 07, 08:19 AM 2017
Alright, This is played on the wheel, main idea is to find a "Hot Spot", (using RX- "wheel frequency chart, set to Last 18 spins) a Hot sector, with 2 hotnumbers hit close to eachother, (from the last 18 spins), OR a hotnumber with minimum 3 hits. When that is found- you bet that particular "Hot sector", with 2x5 numbers sectors to cover it up. THIS is a 10 numbers sector, to cover the particualar "HOT SPOT"...Now, IF you get a hit within the first 3 spins, you go for a second hit. (OR else, IF not hit within the first 3 spins you don't go for a second hit--find a new trigger).

Progression; 10 numbers negative 1 1 1 2 2 3 4 6 8 STOP = (280u Total)

Wingoal: +200u
BR/Stoploss: 300u

First tests, (played with Live-spins, and 1u bets)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: denzie on Oct 07, 08:23 AM 2017
I didn't read all your methods but most end up with % hitrate. How you determine that ? By calculate it from let's say 10 sessions?
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 07, 08:25 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 07, 08:23 AM 2017
I didn't read all your methods but most end up with % hitrate. How you determine that ? By calculate it from let's say 10 sessions?

Hi denize :) Yes, that's right, i calculate winrate from a 10 session gameplay, (8/10, 9/10 etc)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 07, 09:03 AM 2017
This ca be a successful sTRAGEDY..
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 07, 10:01 AM 2017
LIVE-Session played @Fairway casino  8)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: boyd30 on Oct 12, 09:54 AM 2017
Not a loss!? This is worth to test more.
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 12, 10:40 AM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Oct 12, 09:54 AM 2017
Not a loss!? This is worth to test more.

;D Yes, its because i've been a scatterbrain, you know me, going from one system to the next, but nice if you like this one and to test this more, tell me your results!
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: boyd30 on Oct 12, 12:55 PM 2017
Was down to last step but it won..maybe it's possible to improve this?

Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 12, 01:14 PM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Oct 12, 12:55 PM 2017Was down to last step but it won..maybe it's possible to improve this?

Well, losing sessions will always happen,(?) but then, since this is so easy to play, and you play to a wingoal of 500u, you Could increase the progression by two steps, so it will be a 50/50 chance win/lose (wingoal/amount bet in the progressionline)

if you play with a 500+ u wingoal, Then

1 1 1 2 2 3 4 6 8 11 16 (550u Total)

That's the only thing i can think of,(?) if THIS "HOTSPOT" (Hot area) Won't hit within a 11-step progression of 10 numbers, there is nothing to do.

Another idea is switch targets to a New "hotspot", but then, you have to consider another progression, perhaps..

I will play with the original rules , (with an increased progressionline, by 2 steps) that is easiest to play, (for me).......we'll see IF a loss happens it's atleast a 50/50 win/lose situation so, it won't be the end of the world, (?) More testing is needed....
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: boyd30 on Oct 12, 01:41 PM 2017
I tried a different progression, a positive with 111,222..and so on. 3 step back on a win. This time it once won first on the 9th step, but it recovered also with this progression. Well, it's not impossible it can go down more before a win, but it's a nice system.
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 12, 01:52 PM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Oct 12, 01:41 PM 2017
I tried a different progression, a positive with 111,222..and so on. 3 step back on a win. This time it once won first on the 9th step, but it recovered also with this progression. Well, it's not impossible it can go down more before a win, but it's a nice system.

Yes! thanks!, :) good progression-idea,
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 01:09 AM 2017
Winkel's 10 numbers fibonacci

1 1 1|2 2 2|3 3 3|5 5 5|8 8 8|13 13 13|21 21 21|34 34 34|55 55 55|89 89 89

Go back one step in the ladder OR Re-start at same the level ((when hit)) for the next bet/trigger, Until reached a new high- Then reset

BR: 500u minimum (played with 1u bets)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 01:34 AM 2017
Test 2, using winkel's fibonacci.  :love:

They way I use to play, first trigger 2 hotnumbers, (covered with a 10 numbers sector) THEN if a 3rd hotnumber comes close; i adjust bet, (adjusting bets may be necessary, sometimes),.. the progression seems to work very good with this bet

Also, -as long as i get a hit within the first 3 spins, i keep bets and go for a new hit. (depening on your gameplay you COULD stop after 2 hits also..)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 02:13 AM 2017
Test 3.

Yes i shift target, (IF i see a new trigger forming, and i haven't got a hit for 3-6 spins, i re-bet my sector at the new trigger/target)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 02:53 AM 2017
Test 4. -Target shifting is great,--as an old target/sector gets cold, a new target will be hot--
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 04:08 AM 2017
2nd LIVE-Session played @Fairway casino  8)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 07:18 AM 2017
Test 5. Abit reckless play in the beginning, but what i learned from this;

*IF no hit within the first three spins STOP (sometimes you *could* go for another 3 spins and +1 in the fib-ladder, but that is rare cases)

*IF a new trigger is formed while betting , (and you get no hits), immediatly switch target the the *new trigger* +1 step in progression and do anew 3-spin trial

*Continue the bet as long as it hits within the first 3 spins, IF no hit within 3 spins immediatly STOP. (and wait for a new trigger)
--A TRIGGER IS 2 hotnumbers hit within MAX 7 pockets from eachother, OR 1 number hit 3 times

*For each hit, you go one step back in the fib-ladder, (until reached a new high)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 09:35 AM 2017
 Test 6. ...That was a close call, but i recovered and won in the End.
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: boyd30 on Oct 13, 11:35 AM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 13, 09:35 AM 2017
Test 6. ...That was a close call, but i recovered and won in the End.

Was it Winkel's fibbonacci?
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 12:16 PM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Oct 13, 11:35 AM 2017
Was it Winkel's fibbonacci?

Yes? He was the inventor.

I use this progression

10 numbers fibonacci (go back 1 step, in the ladder-bet when win)

1 1 1|2 2 2|3 3 3|5 5 5|8 8 8|13 13 13|21 21 21|34 34 34|55 55 55|89 89 89
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ego on Oct 13, 12:32 PM 2017

I just want to mention this - twelve numbers that hit once within two attempts has 50% probability and are equal a even money bet
So assume you have one selection method where twelve numbers hit once and name them RED
Then does twelve numbers does not hit for the next two attempts - then is the same thing getting one single red to show
But assume does twelve numbers hit one more time for the next two attempts - then is the same thing as getting two reds in a row
This is what they call binomial probability calculation
Maybe you can tweak the method based upon this information

Cheers
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 12:39 PM 2017
Quote from: ego on Oct 13, 12:32 PM 2017Maybe you can tweak the method based upon this information

Thanks ego, well, yes? it's "tweaked" as much as possible, i guess,? i STOP if one trigger is not hit within 3 spins (and wait for a new trigger/Target) and that seems to work pretty good, (with this winkel's fibo-progression)...
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: boyd30 on Oct 13, 01:02 PM 2017
Another test shows good result even if it sometimes go down a bit. I use 111222333...progression. Go back 3 steps on a win.
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 01:12 PM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Oct 13, 01:02 PM 2017Another test shows good result

Yes, it seem to work very well, now we have over 15+ wins in a row, no losses, i'll keep on testing, and hope you do also boyd and share your result !

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 01:52 PM 2017
Had my first loss. I knew it would be coming...
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: psimoes on Oct 13, 02:00 PM 2017
Hi Ignatus,

That session went positive at times. Have you ever hit a session that wasn´t in plus at least once?
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: boyd30 on Oct 13, 02:07 PM 2017
Winkel's fibbonacci progression seems a bit too steep.
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 02:20 PM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 13, 02:00 PM 2017
Hi Ignatus,

That session went positive at times. Have you ever hit a session that wasn´t in plus at least once?

No, i guess not (you have all my results, posted here) now, i could do MM like i did with "Hotzone" and win a 100 times, ....since it very rarely goes straight down to Stoploss before reaching some kind of "new high" or positive result, so you're right, check "Hotzone" if you like this kind of MM,..
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 02:22 PM 2017
Test 8.
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 02:28 PM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Oct 13, 02:07 PM 2017
Winkel's fibbonacci progression seems a bit too steep.

Well? it depends, if you play +1/-1 for an example, it would take more hits to recover... there are many options, (progressions, moneymanagement) what you like, what works for you is good, i only demonstrate my kind of gameplay....as long as you win more than you lose, (that's what it's all about!) 
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: psimoes on Oct 13, 02:39 PM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 13, 02:20 PM 2017
No, i guess not (you have all my results, posted here) now, i could do MM like i did with "Hotzone" and win a 100 times, ....since it very rarely goes straight down to Stoploss before reaching some kind of "new high" or positive result, so you're right, check "Hotzone" if you like this kind of MM,..

I remember Hotzone very well. I don´t always agree with your methods, but that one had really good results.
The thing is: the lost session got my attention so you know, aiming for +1 unit per session everyday is one old goal. Never encountered a method that would guarantee such result.
With your drive, why not pursue it?
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 13, 02:57 PM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 13, 02:39 PM 2017
I remember Hotzone very well. I don´t always agree with your methods, but that one had really good results.
The thing is: the lost session got my attention so you know, aiming for +1 unit per session everyday is one old goal. Never encountered a method that would guarantee such result.
With your drive, why not pursue it?

Sure, if you're a Highroller , that would be a great goal. Problem with playing with Highroller tactics, is (?) for this, and for Hotzone, you have to have a BR to cover up to the stoploss. (that would be 500u) OR ELSE you go for 3 spins, Hit or Lose.. i wouldn't dare to play highroller,  ;D

Only think i want is a system with a pretty good hitrate/winrate, and (so far, this has been good), inspired from all the hotnumbers fans, -it's played same way as "hotzone" ....but i doubt it could profit Flatbet ??? if you like you can try that, or else, join our testing-team, and perhaps, come with some tweaks/or- your idea, how you would play it?

Thanks
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: psimoes on Oct 13, 04:23 PM 2017
Still running some tests on my own, regarding variance.
The linear chart in the wheel analysis menu is a great tool. Both hot and cold numbers tend no stay in their ranks for quite some time. We all know this, but it´s good to be able to see it.
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 14, 06:53 AM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Oct 13, 02:07 PM 2017Winkel's fibbonacci progression seems a bit too steep.

IT'S *NOT* too steep, you wasted my time, because i did alot of testing with a milder progression,
1 1 1 1 1 1 | 2 2 2 2 2 2 | 3 3 3 3 3 3 | 4 4 4 4 4 4 | 5 5 5 5 5 5 |....etc (Well i won 9/10 or 8/10 sessions with it), BUT the losing session you can see (first chart)

SAME SPINS with The original winkel's fibonacci
1 1 1|2 2 2|3 3 3|5 5 5|8 8 8|13 13 13|21 21 21|34 34 34|55 55 55|89 89 89
(second chart)

So? I STILL play winkel's fibonacci  (BECAUSE, you go back 1 step in the progression-ladder at each win) it works perfectly fine with this kind of bet.
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 14, 07:20 AM 2017
I won't Re-run these tests but these were played with
1 1 1 1 1 1 | 2 2 2 2 2 2 | 3 3 3 3 3 3 | 4 4 4 4 4 4 | 5 5 5 5 5 5 |... progression (Just for demonstration...)
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 14, 07:46 AM 2017
cool
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 14, 09:08 AM 2017
Hi Ignatus,
I am new member, i liked your method.
Thank you
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: boyd30 on Oct 14, 11:48 AM 2017
Seem to works well with above progression to. Too steep was maybe wrong words, I would say you play with a lot of units with Winkel's progression but of course you need to find out what works best. I've been looking at "Hotzone" and that's also interesting. But that's another thread.
Title: Re: Hot Spot
Post by: ignatus on Oct 14, 06:24 PM 2017
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 14, 09:08 AM 2017
Hi Ignatus,
I am new member, i liked your method.
Thank you

Great,  :thumbsup:

Tracking this one may be little difficult, but it's not to hard if you've got RX,