I´ve just ran 10000 RNG No Zero spins to test a fixed bet of R+H. It should face 50% odds. But it´s a loser. What´s the Math here? Is this sample not big enough?
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Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 04:50 AM 2017
I´ve just ran 10000 RNG No Zero spins to test a fixed bet of R+H. It should face 50% odds. But it´s a loser. What´s the Math here? Is this sample not big enough?
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You bad boy !
Testing ? On rigged RNG!!!?
Better you go sell tomatoes in market !
RX RNG is not rigged. It's designed to give a fair outcome after a large enough number of spins.
All the rookies that arrive here think they know it all and wave around their arrogance like peac***s, but you take the biscouit, damn it.
Try to learn and then help the others instead of posting crap.
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 05:28 AM 2017
RX RNG is not rigged. It's designed to give a fair outcome after a large enough number of spins.
All the rookies that arrive here think they know it all and wave around their arrogance like peac***s, but you take the biscouit, damn it.
Try to learn and then help the others instead of posting crap.
I still think you may perform better in selling tomatoes than roulette.
I dunno what is RX RNG, anything based on random number generator is rigged !
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 12, 05:31 AM 2017
anything based on random number generator is rigged !
What you think a roulette wheel is ?
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 05:37 AM 2017
What you think a roulette wheel is ?
A Real roulette wheel isn't random !!
You bet on this ??
Casinos doing their best for years to add all kinds of shit's effects to make the output look random, but they are still unsuccessful
So according to your logic, RNG is rigged - better bet with real spins.
Now real roulette is not random?
Don´t eat the yellow snow.
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 05:56 AM 2017
So according to your logic, RNG is rigged - better bet with real spins.
Now real roulette is not random?
Don´t eat the yellow snow.
Everytime you prove me that I was right in saying you better go sell tomatoes in market instead of struggling with roulette and that your knowledge of roulette is so bad!
Yeah, right. I might even donate the rotten ones to rookie players who spent real money on "winning systems".
NOW will anyone smart reply on the topic. please?
@psimoes. ... You Still got that session? If yes...you would mind let it run for a few 10k more ? Or even few 100k
I regrettably didnt save it, nut ill run 100k latet. This has mo zero which is puxzling. Sorry for the typos
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 07:25 AM 2017
I regrettably didnt save it, nut ill run 100k latet. This has mo zero which is puxzling. Sorry for the typos
Thx :thumbsup:
sample is way too short.
10k spins will give various graphs
Try to simulate at least 100k or verify a few 10k
You will see positive 10k files as well
And yes, the rng OR live wheel results will give similar results, only try to find yourself a non zero live wheel: good luck with that :)
Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 12, 09:44 AM 2017
sample is way too short.
10k spins will give various graphs
Try to simulate at least 100k or verify a few 10k
You will see positive 10k files as well
And yes, the rng OR live wheel results will give similar results, only try to find yourself a non zero live wheel: good luck with that :)
Can you tell me why you are fooling yourself ?
based on what you came the conclusion, that rng produce same results as physical wheel ??
Rng is totally random, there is no way to predict it unless you crack it, if you are a tech guru you can try.
Flat bet , 10 units , RNG spins , No zero wheel.
With a short positive progression, I can overcome most of the 100k spins, but 1 mil spins were loser.
Thank you both for your replies. This was the third test 10k and they all sunk. Just 1u on red and 1u on high. Flat. Previously i ran 1u on red only amd it oscillated between pos and neg as ecpected and almost in bery brief cycles if you know what i mean. Every 800 spins oe so. Llike almost predictable. Youd think two ecs would behave in a similar fashion.
Anyeay the purpose of this test eas to verify how rx behaves in a nz roulerre.
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 12, 10:19 AM 2017
Can you tell me why you are fooling yourself ?
based on what you came the conclusion, that rng produce same results as physical wheel ??
Rng is totally random, there is no way to predict it unless you crack it, if you are a tech guru you can try.
I dont mind a lil offtopic but your dumb posts are annoying. questioning the validity of rng is not the point here. Go learn about the law of large nrs . Get out of my thread or start your own.
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 10:54 AM 2017
I dont mind a lil offtopic but your dumb posts are annoying. questioning the validity of rng is not the point here. Go learn about the law of large nrs . Get out of my thread or start your own.
Only losers play or test RNG
Get your ass f***** by the House.
You loser.
Kingmaq you have been reported to moderator, i hope you get banned or moderated :thumbsup:
Wel 30k all sunk psimoes? That's why I asked to run more spins and see if it goes up. :thumbsup:
But try single zero...keep It real
@kingmaq..... You think you can see the difference between fair rng or live spins ?
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 12, 11:40 AM 2017
Kingmaq you have been reported to moderator, i hope you get banned or moderated :thumbsup:
Pfff, you Ignatius ,
the guy who everyday comes with a new losing system and block others from writing posts ... I have just one word for you ... loser
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 11:54 AM 2017
Wel 30k all sunk psimoes? That's why I asked to run more spins and see if it goes up. :thumbsup:
But try single zero...keep It real
@kingmaq..... You think you can see the difference between fair rng or live spins ?
Denzie,
I don't feel well here with idiots ...
let's move to the other thread, there we can write better
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 12, 11:35 AM 2017
Only losers play or test RNG
Get your ass f***** by the House.
You loser.
Tell that to yourself.
Mods, kick this asshat out of here.
Brings nothing but noise.
sorry, bit off topic:
To Kingmaq:
if I provide you a few files both RNG and LIVE wheel sessions eurowheel:
Would you be able to differentiate them?
It would be interesting to know what you call "rigged" and "live"
There is no need to crack the one or the other...
I see you get upset about RNG (for it being rigged and made for losers), so I am sure you find it important to see the difference between both rng and live.
Now can you?
50000 and counting. The variance is destroying what looks like a simple bet. Perhaps this could serve as a lesson: never hedge bets...
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Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 12, 12:58 PM 2017
sorry, bit off topic:
To Kingmaq:
if I provide you a few files both RNG and LIVE wheel sessions eurowheel:
Would you be able to differentiate them?
It would be interesting to know what you call "rigged" and "live"
There is no need to crack the one or the other...
I see you get upset about RNG (for it being rigged and made for losers), so I am sure you find it important to see the difference between both rng and live.
Now can you?
I get angry when I see someone relying on RNG, the house manipulate the RNg to screw players, almost every player had lost playing RNG, another thing I want to speak about is the fact that the wheel is beatable by applying science while the RNg is completely random and unpredictable as it's using some
Sort of an initializing seed.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 11:54 AM 2017
Wel 30k all sunk psimoes? That's why I asked to run more spins and see if it goes up. :thumbsup:
But try single zero...keep It real
@kingmaq..... You think you can see the difference between fair rng or live spins ?
80000 plus and hasn´t still recovered. Now imagine this on a single zero wheel.
BTW, I´m reaching the conclusion that it´s better to test on NZ first. First you must try to beat variance. And deal with the house edge later.
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Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 12:56 PM 2017
Tell that to yourself.
Mods, kick this asshat out of here.
Brings nothing but noise.
You' and your methods should be thrown out of this forum, nothing came out from ypur methods and stragedies
King has had 2 report to moderator. I agree with the reporter
He is moderated
I will allow anythin in that isnt personal or attacking anyone.
Thx Turner. Let the kid start his own thread on why should we think RX RNG is "rigged" :thumbsup:
Now back on-topic: the 100k session ended up negative. And, the highest it went was 170 (1u=5, so 34 units).
How do we share saved sessions here?
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 01:01 PM 2017
50000 and counting. The variance is destroying what looks like a simple bet. Perhaps this could serve as a lesson: never hedge bets...
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Of course it can't win. But what goes up most come down.And vice versa. (No HE) Just look...You went from -1800 to -400...... But ok it isn't playable in real life. It will end at 0 at one point. But nobody gonna stick around to wait for that.
Soooo as I tried before.....Try to play whatever on the table/wheel to balance out is not realistic to play. We could be retired by that time and won 1u ;D
Thx for the test. Much appreciated :thumbsup:
Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 12, 12:58 PM 2017
sorry, bit off topic:
To Kingmaq:
if I provide you a few files both RNG and LIVE wheel sessions eurowheel:
Would you be able to differentiate them?
It would be interesting to know what you call "rigged" and "live"
There is no need to crack the one or the other...
I see you get upset about RNG (for it being rigged and made for losers), so I am sure you find it important to see the difference between both rng and live.
Now can you?
Hey I was going to that point . Lol. But yeah..... CAN YOU? (I'll give the answer...no)
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Just to clarify, it says "dozen cycle" there, but the system was inactive. It was a fixed bet of 5u on Red and 5u on High. Nothing more. Two ECs that will obviously overlap at times, but they will also "underlap" if there´s such a word.
R+H = +10
R+L = 0
B+H = 0
B+L = -10
Apparently 100k aren´t enough, and who knows how many spins are necessary to break even, let alone reach +2500 for balance. Either that or something weird is happening. As I´ve said, just betting on a single colour went up and down as expected in only 10k.
I expected that outcome to be honest. Mainly coz I've done lots of testing in the past about that. Buuuuuuuuuut. ...I could make it win. Yep. But....It's not playable :'(
I mean who gonna sit there for 100k spins to be still in loss ? :ooh:
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 01:46 PM 2017
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/10/12/temp_651622.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/J3o0), just betting on a single colour went up and down as expected in only 10k.
A graph that goes up and down isn't that bad. Of course we don't start to bet at the top of the mountain.....
(A jigsaw graph)
Although I'm past that point of waiting and waiting
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 01:52 PM 2017
I expected that outcome to be honest. Mainly coz I've done lots of testing in the past about that. Buuuuuuuuuut. ...I could make it win. Yep. But....It's not playable :'(
I mean who gonna sit there for 100k spins to be still in loss ? :ooh:
Yes, Denzie, but my point is: why is it losing? Just as it went down to -2500, it should also have gone up to +2500. That´s what a 50% chance must end up with.
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 12, 01:57 PM 2017
Yes, Denzie, but my point is: why is it losing? Just as it went down to -2500, it should also have gone up to +2500. That´s what a 50% chance must end up with.
it will....go to sleep and let it run.....Take a look in the morning. Put turbo mode on
Wow, that being true would just tell we can´t really know how random randomness can be. I´ll do it.
According to the late FLAT_INO 400 bets is the 'gold standard'
(Seems like a good place to start)
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Testing one hundred million spins. After 50k it´s a mirror image of the previous. Extreme is the word. It goes to show how any mechanical method relies on luck and nothing more. You can´t tell if a system is good or bad after only a few 100 spin sessions. Old news, everyone should know this. I admit though being surprised by the unpredictability shown after 100k.
On another forum they found out a number sleeping for more than 600 spins. A few million spins were necessary to reach that result. What if a zillon spins will show a number sleeping for a thousand spins? Randomness has no limits.
Wait a minute! Doesn´t this also mean you can´t really tell if a wheel is biased? :o
I overestimated the power of my i7. 400000 spins in three hours, it will take a month to compute 100000000. Forget it LOL.
Anyway so far it reached -250 after 1600 spins and peaked to 7300 around the 250000th. And it hasn´t since go down.
This RNG is far from rigged (there is no point, unless UX Soft is affiliated to online casinos, but to believe in that conspiracy you may as well believe the Earth is flat) but I can see how it´s useless for testing long runs.
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@psimoes. ... told ya :wink:
But it just ain't playable I guess :yawn:
Denzie, I believe ehat you said but I couldnt confirm it as rx crashed after only 600000 spins. It still didnt go down to at least zero and i guess it would take more than one million spins to go negative.
I ve ran a few thousands from tandom.orgl and got similar results.
This simple bet is much better for testing ecs than constantling changing from red to black etc after triggers, since the odds never change. Why. Because otherwise you could be fooled into thinking your complicated method had an edge, when in fact it was only facing favourable variance even afyer 100k.
All the success stories you have read anout the pellagios and joseph jagger and garcia etc that we ve taken for grsnted, i dare to qurstion if all they had eas kust a long lucky streak.
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