Poll
Question:
Does longterm system exist in roulette?
Option 1: YES
Option 2: NO
Option 3: MAYBE
I am so inspired by members of this forum and need to ask you do you really believe in roulette HG?
Good question, but as you are targeting losers in your thread, you should expect a few replies because we are here winners ;$)
Ok the answer of most voted users is YES :). But nobody explain how to play this longterm system, is there any of you to explain in 5 steps what to bet? But please no vb jokes, roulette computers etc.
Bet all RED and extra on 7 :thumbsup:
There are methods other than vb and computers that work. I explained it already but most people don't bother to consider cause and effect. instead its rbrbrbbrbb, repeaters, trots etc
Quote from: Steve on Oct 18, 04:50 AM 2017
There are methods other than vb and computers that work. I explained it already but most people don't bother to consider cause and effect. instead its rbrbrbbrbb, repeaters, trots etc
Show me on roulette board please. :)
Quote from: denzie on Oct 18, 04:19 AM 2017
Bet all RED and extra on 7 :thumbsup:
Seems good :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Oct 18, 04:50 AM 2017
There are methods other than vb and computers that work. I explained it already but most people don't bother to consider cause and effect. instead its rbrbrbbrbb, repeaters, trots etc
Hey Steve, hope you are doing well
Can you be more specific? Give us an example and stop talking so general ;$)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 18, 05:44 AM 2017
Hey Steve, hope you are doing well
Can you be more specific? Give us an example and stop talking so general ;$)
Good luck with that
Quote from: denzie on Oct 18, 05:56 AM 2017
Good luck with that
He will finally reveal ;$)
Get your pockets and bank accounts ready for the millions ...
Turner and Andre opening accounts in Switzerland ;$)
I've already said it in previous posts, not that long ago. I did spell it out but it didn't seem to be understood. I was not being cryptic. I explained the underlying mechanisms to build the algorithms.
It is not a "system" as most people would understand. It is a form of analysis to find anomalies that show results are predictable.
I have no intention to go on about it. Its really not as complicated as you might think. Its simple in principle.
And a winning system doesn't mean instant millions. Computers can get a 40%+ edge on most wheels but you can't win millions so easily.
Im not going to explain more than what i already did. Most people are not even listening to reason about really basic things like repeaters anyway.
Told ya :girl_to:
Repeaters as in hotties - repeating numbers is open to casino cheats. These numbers are often casino cheat numbers.
However repeating zone is another thing. What you need to do is to disperse this repeating zone in a few overlayed bets played on a busy table then watch if the casino execute their cheat and whether it was effective.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 18, 06:32 AM 2017
I've already said it in previous posts, not that long ago. I did spell it out but it didn't seem to be understood. I was not being cryptic. I explained the underlying mechanisms to build the algorithms.
It is not a "system" as most people would understand. It is a form of analysis to find anomalies that show results are predictable.
I have no intention to go on about it. Its really not as complicated as you might think. Its simple in principle.
And a winning system doesn't mean instant millions. Computers can get a 40%+ edge on most wheels but you can't win millions so easily.
Im not going to explain more than what i already did. Most people are not even listening to reason about really basic things like repeaters anyway.
Hi Steve
What anomalies are you talking about ?
Don't say you want to look for biased wheels !
If this isn't the case, why you don't give an example of an anomaly
Sorry but I don't want to reveal more. Even if I gave a bit more, that leads to more, then more. So no. I'm not ready to disclose anything more.
QuoteSorry but I don't want to reveal more. Even if I gave a bit more, that leads to more, then more. So no. I'm not ready to disclose anything more.
and then to fuck all nothing... :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Steve on Oct 19, 12:28 AM 2017
Sorry but I don't want to reveal more. Even if I gave a bit more, that leads to more, then more. So no. I'm not ready to disclose anything more.
I thought this is a forum to share working systems and ideas, if no one wants to share then it doesn't make sense to be here
I have probably shared more valuable tools, software, working systems and accurate advice than anyone here. Free.
I don't need share everything, do I?
Well. .... told ya..... ::)
Pages and pages but nothing specific.
It's like a bunch of haystacks and you need to find the needle. Hold on... I tell you which stack to begin though
::)
Denzie, if youre referring to me, you must be either stupid or trying to manipulate me to release more of my private work.
I give away free software to check patterns, free and complete techiques that actually work, detailed information about why most methods fail. I have been very specific. Theres much more. Again ive contributed probably more than anyone else. I believe you should be saying thankyou, instead of making stupid comments as if I share nothing and you share more.
So which is it? Stupid or trying to manipulate me?
Quote from: Steve on Oct 19, 05:11 AM 2017
Denzie, if youre referring to me, you must be either stupid or trying to manipulate me to release more of my private work.
I give away free software to check patterns, free and complete techiques that actually work, detailed information about why most methods fail. I have been very specific. Theres much more. Again ive contributed probably more than anyone else. I believe you should be saying thankyou, instead of making stupid comments as if I share nothing and you share more.
So which is it? Stupid or trying to manipulate me?
None....
Ok folks....This is the day you can post how to beat the game but leave out the important stuff. This will be no longer baiting or whatever. We'll call it PRIVATE WORK :thumbsup:
Thx for your help Steve. We all are making big bucks these days. Can I get thank you for Steve pls ?
Denzie, I have two words for you.
You're welcome
Quote from: denzie on Oct 19, 05:29 AM 2017
None....
Ok folks....This is the day you can post how to beat the game but leave out the important stuff. This will be no longer baiting or whatever. We'll call it PRIVATE WORK :thumbsup:
Thx for your help Steve. We all are making big bucks these days. Can I get thank you for Steve pls ?
You right
Hmmm no thx yet....hold on Steve it's coming ;)
Denzie you don't even understand basics and are still stuck on things like repeaters. You need to understand basics first.
Many times i explained a lot of detail but its not understood, and people keep doing the same losing approaches. Most people don't care to learn, and my efforts fall on deaf ears.
I've already given complete systems that work, like a basic vb method. if you can't master the basics, you won't master anything else.
There's a secret ingredient...
There are many ingredients, but they're not so secret. It's more that people ignore them and look for other ingredients.
I use the most important ingredient
Sriracha Sauce?
Whr to use this sauce mate? Up or down? Does it work longterm!
Patience!
I'm in no hurry to win. It takes me hours to place the bet. I make it my job. I play to win and not for fun. I watch everything that is happening and I attack the roulette at the right time.
Neither timing or patience makes any difference if you aren't changing the odds.
Say you wait for RBRBBBBBBBB to bet red (because it's... "due"). Well the odds of R or B are still the same, no longer how long you wait, or how patient you are.
You're absolutely wrong!
Forget RBRBBRBRB. It doesn't work.
Bet the wheel not the table...
R and B also from the wheel
You know what I mean...
Ye i know. But its all same . After getting 26 26 26 followed by a 0 . Then the chance of getting 24 or 26 again is the same. Thats what he said. But u r winning thats fine. Your satisfaction. By the way did you place bet of 500 spin till now( not those waiting spin or trigger spin)
Everything in our lives is based on statistics and roulette is not different this.
What's the chance red hit once? 50%.
What's the chance red hit 50 times in a row? Practically none.
Have you seen the number 26 hit 5 times in a row? I doubt it...
I'm betting against that incredibly rare event ever happening - and I will always win, because that event will never happen thanks to random
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 20, 12:59 AM 2017What's the chance red hit 50 times in a row? Practically none.
That's the wrong way of thinking. You missed the important part... You cant make a winning system based on an event you expect wont happen. Why? Because each spin is independent. The odds are the same on each spin.
The approach you have in mind is very old and well tested. It doesn't work.
I learned the truth of it myself when one night, many years ago, my "proven" method tanked bad. There was no way red was going to spin again. I mean how many times have you seen so many reds spin in the row. The chances of it happening were so remote. I lost like a month of winnings in one spin.
But anyway I wouldnt have listened either back then. Trust me, everyone that continues to play *eventually* comes back down to earth and AP - or at least understanding why their old methods failed, and the need to improve odds.
If anyone thinks they'll never turn to the dark side (which is actually the light side), just keep playing. AP is not evil. Its just changing the odds. Besides I did read somewhere the dark side has cookies. Join us.
No software will ever succeed in roulette. Why? The wheels change, the dealers change, the balls change. If Steve says otherwise, I want to test it and come back here to give my testimony. If a software works, why would anyone sell it? Can you answer me, Steve?
Why do you sell the software if you can be rich with it?
Scientists work with statistics. Economists work with statistics, engineers work with statistics. What matters is the sampling of an event rather than an individual event.
Have you seen red hit 50 times in a row, Steve?
It's a simple question! please answer me
Even if wheels were changed daily, we could still beat them.
Dealer changes dont change wheel physics. And if a ball is changed, there are ways of dealing with it. There are 4 main types of balls used in casinos. Small and large ivorine, and small and large teflon. There are others, but almost always it will be one of these. As I often do in my demos, I show ball change is over-rated. I only explain the details to my players. Even if the dealer swapped the ball every spin, it does not make the game unbeatable.
Why do I sell my system? Firstly, I dont use it. I have something much better. Why would I spend a few hours to get a 5% edge, when I can get an 80% edge in a fraction of the time? My best technology is sold too, but for US$80,000 but only if you get to know me better first. It's not a small purchase, so it's viable for me to sell that.
This whole "if it worked you wouldnt sell it" notion is nonsense.
My computers are not a lottery ticket. They are tools. It's like a business. Why would anyone sell a profitable business? For a worthwhile price, no problem. But does the business run itself, or does it require your time and effort to run the business?
Anyway this should not be the topic here. Anyone can have their own opinions on these matters. And if anyone wants to look past the bullshit and just find out, it's really easy. That means seeing it for yourself on any wheel.
No, I have not seen 50 reds in a row. You are still not understanding what I explained about "rare events".
After long years studying the roulette I came to this conclusion: to win you should adapt your system to the game and not try to adapt the game to your system
And yes there is no 100% working system you will be up and down, even computer sometimes fail !!
the game isn't straightforward at all, however if one finds the ideal conditions which fit his play then should stick to them and never try to risk with other conditions.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 20, 01:38 AM 2017
Even if wheels were changed daily, we could still beat them.
Dealer changes dont change wheel physics. And if a ball is changed, there are ways of dealing with it. There are 4 main types of balls used in casinos. Small and large ivorine, and small and large teflon. There are others, but almost always it will be one of these. As I often do in my demos, I show ball change is over-rated. I only explain the details to my players. Even if the dealer swapped the ball every spin, it does not make the game unbeatable.
Why do I sell my system? Firstly, I dont use it. I have something much better. Why would I spend a few hours to get a 5% edge, when I can get an 80% edge in a fraction of the time? My best technology is sold too, but for US$80,000 but only if you get to know me better first. It's not a small purchase, so it's viable for me to sell that.
This whole "if it worked you wouldnt sell it" notion is nonsense.
My computers are not a lottery ticket. They are tools. It's like a business. Why would anyone sell a profitable business? For a worthwhile price, no problem. But does the business run itself, or does it require your time and effort to run the business?
Anyway this should not be the topic here. Anyone can have their own opinions on these matters. And if anyone wants to look past the bullshit and just find out, it's really easy. That means seeing it for yourself on any wheel.
No, I have not seen 50 reds in a row. You are still not understanding what I explained about "rare events".
Steve, the physics fail sometimes to predict the ball where it lands and this is the case when the ball bounces chaotically ... u know how
On eBay somebody was selling a computer that work for live wheels I have seen a demo of it but I dunno how the fuck he is doing it or if it's bullshit .. no one knows
Again its really easy to find out. The physics is simple. You can test the free computer i give.
You can see a demo on any wheel. That includes the online auto cammegh slingshot wheels with rrs and predictions about 22s before the ball falls which gives 5%+ edge with the hybrid. That's the hardest wheel anywhere, clear edge. But we don't bother with online casinos. Its too easy to be detected and you need multiple accounts to win much less than real casinos.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 20, 03:28 AM 2017
Again its really easy to find out. The physics is simple. You can test the free computer i give.
You can see a demo on any wheel. That includes the online auto cammegh slingshot wheels with rrs and predictions about 22s before the ball falls which gives 5%+ edge with the hybrid. That's the hardest wheel anywhere, clear edge. But we don't bother with online casinos. Its too easy to be detected and you need multiple accounts to win much less than real casinos.
steve, do. you think real casino so stupid to let you use a computer at the roulette table ?
Do you think we'd be stupid enough to show them the computer?
Would any professional play tell the casino how they're winning?
And we always play where its legal.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 20, 03:52 AM 2017
Do you think we'd be stupid enough to show them the computer?
Would any professional play tell the casino how they're winning?
And we always play where its legal.
And do you think they are too stupid to not detect players who all the time looking at their phones?
How do you hide the computer then ?
Steve
Is there a way to beat online LIVE roulette nmb before ball release? and if, what is the best way?
Quote from: 777 on Oct 20, 04:16 AM 2017
Steve
Is there a way to beat online LIVE roulette nmb before ball release? and if, what is the best way?
Steve, allow me to answer this.
Yes there one way,search on YouTube for this system :
"How I get beaten by roulette everytime and in less than 3 minutes"
It's working I tested it ;)
Interesting video :thumbsup:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 20, 08:42 AM 2017
Steve, allow me to answer this.
Yes there one way,search on YouTube for this system :
"How I get beaten by roulette everytime and in less than 3 minutes"
It's working I tested it ;)
Thank you for the reply.
Dont know if i found the right video. (Learn how to beat roulette in 3mins | Winning roulette system |)
is this the one?
There's a problem... You have to place the bet before the spin
link:s://youtu.be/50oWAlB7XZ8
Yes I agree Andre. thats why I asked if it was the right video
Why wouldn't a series have an increasingly lower probability of extending than a single event has of happening once?
Obviously, each unique spin has a probability of 50% (academically, by excluding the greens) for either color.
However, the overall proportion of total reds vs blacks should be 50%.So every time another of the same color is added to the group, the probability of the group/sample containing ONLY that one color decreases.Is there really a 50% probability that a sample size of 100 (e.g.) will contain 100 reds or blacks?When a person gambles on the roulette spin, he may be betting FOR a single spin, or AGAINST a series.
Isn't saying that the wheel has no memory like saying the wheel hasn't had a haircut in (x) weeks?A gambler isn't betting on the wheel, he's betting on the statistics.Past data would appear to be relevant due to the sampling.
Very interesting movie about roulette! He bets all the money on black...
link:s://youtu.be/A8rCHUjjqnU
link:s://youtu.be/C_on39tAPYw
I did it months ago...lol
This is how it looks like when i do everything right, in the right time, in the right casino and at the right table ...
Hiding computers is easy. In a pocket is fine even. usually you use a hidden switch under your toe. To receive predictions use either invisible earpiece or phone vibrations.
Yes you can beat roulette before ball release. My best method detects typical anomalies in patterns to exploit them, whatever the cause is. It doesn't really matter what the cause is, but it could be bias, dealer signature, wheel defects, etc but basically it comes down to wheel design.
Theres are lots of free methods that work. See videos at wwe.roulettephysics.com the vb section has a basic vb video
To many of you its new, but its actually old news. The masters roulette is a good introduction to vb. The videos for vb on my site explain the technique he's probably using. There are many vb techniques.
One thing you'll notice in his video is constant rotor speed. This is one critical factor for most vb techniques.
Predictable ball bounce, dominant diamond and constant rotor speed makes a wheel very easy to beat. I mean literally you can do it eyes closed and just hear the ball, then open eyes when the sound is about right.
There are vb techniques that adjust with rotor speed but they are much more difficult. But computers adjust effortlessly so i naturally prefer computers. Plus computers can do a lot more.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 20, 02:47 PM 2017
Hiding computers is easy. In a pocket is fine even. usually you use a hidden switch under your toe. To receive predictions use either invisible earpiece or phone vibrations.
Yes you can beat roulette before ball release. My best method detects typical anomalies in patterns to exploit them, whatever the cause is. It doesn't really matter what the cause is, but it could be bias, dealer signature, wheel defects, etc but basically it comes down to wheel design.
Theres are lots of free methods that work. See videos at wwe.roulettephysics.com the vb section has a basic vb video
The main problem with the computers is their price, the majority of people can't afford to buy one
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 20, 12:42 PM 2017
There's a problem... You have to place the bet before the spin
link:s://youtu.be/50oWAlB7XZ8
hahaha, It's a good step forward, but at least you get an idea :)
you should thank me for that :)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 20, 03:05 PM 2017
The main problem with the computers is their price, the majority of people can't afford to buy one
Or just scared to play them. Imagine you are casino's staff....And you catch a player.....Now What ? You most likely show him the door right ? Well ok done. That's it ? I would put my foot on that 80k computer too. Aaauch now that's a financial hangover. Not even mention they put you on the black list.
Each to there own.... :question:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 20, 03:41 PM 2017
Or just scared to play them. Imagine you are casino's staff....And you catch a player.....Now What ? You most likely show him the door right ? Well ok done. That's it ? I would put my foot on that 80k computer too. Aaauch now that's a financial hangover. Not even mention they put you on the black list.
Each to there own.... :question:
why not offer "rent a computer"?
it would attract more people, won't it ?
I'm guessing most don't wanna go sit there and press the click button or put the cam on.
But if most here would see Steve give (temporary) his before spin stuff to play at home....And that person was open to share the results here....
Sales Would go through the roof. But of course they have to still do some work as it involves entering spins , ball rotation, etc
But nonetheless.... It would sell !
I volunteer Steve :P
Coz I'm your friend :love:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 20, 03:59 PM 2017
I'm guessing most don't wanna go sit there and press the click button or put the cam on.
But if most here would see Steve give (temporary) his before spin stuff to play at home....And that person was open to share the results here....
Sales Would go through the roof. But of course they have to still do some work as it involves entering spins , ball rotation, etc
But nonetheless.... It would sell !
I volunteer Steve :P
Coz I'm your friend :love:
why not put more efforts into making an auto-speed detector for live wheels?
this will turn over the table ...
Quote from: Steve on Oct 20, 02:47 PM 2017
Hiding computers is easy. In a pocket is fine even. usually you use a hidden switch under your toe. To receive predictions use either invisible earpiece or phone vibrations.
Yes you can beat roulette before ball release. My best method detects typical anomalies in patterns to exploit them, whatever the cause is. It doesn't really matter what the cause is, but it could be bias, dealer signature, wheel defects, etc but basically it comes down to wheel design.
Theres are lots of free methods that work. See videos at wwe.roulettephysics.com the vb section has a basic vb video
Thank you for your reply Steve.
I have been to your site a couple of times, read system number 2 at least 4 times. Some years ago I signed up for a free trial also. But dont know what happend. Anyway I belive you are an expert. the 2.500USD wouldnt be a problem for most people if they get the proof they need. Would it be possible to do it like this I deposit 2.500USD to my online casino account collect 100 spins each way(if that is all it takes). get full access. now I guess I would be able to double the 2.500USD within 7 days of play or before if it takes less time and pay up the 2.500USD
Off Topic
777 the neighbor of the beast? Lol
How to make money with online roulette.
1-Exit the casino,
2-Close the browser,
3-Turn off your computer,
4-Go to work.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 20, 03:41 PM 2017Or just scared to play them. Imagine you are casino's staff....And you catch a player.....Now What ? You most likely show him the door right ? Well ok done. That's it ? I would put my foot on that 80k computer too. Aaauch now that's a financial hangover. Not even mention they put you on the black list.
Only one player ever got caught so far. And it was where it's illegal, so I wasnt happy to find out. The police asked him to discard the equipment and he wouldnt be charged. He pretended to throw it out (only discarded some wires) and got away with it (keeping computer too). The police didnt know what was what. He was very lucky. But anyway it is a requirement my players only play where it's LEGAL, which is in about half of casinos. Players sign an agreement for it.
If you play where its legal, you will never be charged. you wont get searched or hassled either. You may only be asked to leave. There are no bashings or any of that crap. All that happens is the casino starts calling no more bets earlier until you lose or leave. But if it gets to that stage, then the player isnt following rules to avoid detection. It's actually very easy to avoid detection and win $5000 or so. In some cases, even $30k+ wont even raise suspicion. It depends on where and how you play. It takes careful planning to avoid detection, but again its not hard.
If a player ever loses a computer (ie confiscated or broken), they get replacements at hardware price which is about $1000 per phone. But my computers hide in plain sight. They look like normal phones, act like normal phones.
With the Hybrid ($80,000) computer, the expensive equipment is nowhere near the casino. It's in a different country. The video is streamed outside the casino.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 20, 03:50 PM 2017why not offer "rent a computer"?
it would attract more people, won't it ?
I have a better offer. Get it free and just pay if you win. This has been available for years: :.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/ - But as it is now, my teams are full. I'll only accept players like high rollers.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 20, 03:59 PM 2017I'm guessing most don't wanna go sit there and press the click button or put the cam on.
Yes the idea scares some people. I was scared too my first 2 or so times, feeling quite paranoid. Now I couldnt care less, although I dont need to go into casinos myself anymore.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 20, 03:59 PM 2017But if most here would see Steve give (temporary) his before spin stuff to play at home....And that person was open to share the results here....
Sales Would go through the roof. But of course they have to still do some work as it involves entering spins , ball rotation, etc
But nonetheless.... It would sell !
I volunteer Steve
Coz I'm your friend
Ok, let's do that. Oh wait, I already did that years ago with the member "Ronjo", so we could see if I was full of shit or honest. Some of his comments:
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Besides I have a better idea than just sending a neutral person a free computer. How about you just test it for yourself on any wheel you want. See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/demonstrations/
Anyone who has been around a while, and has been paying attention, knows I make it abundantly clear I'm not full of shit. But unfortunately a lot of people with vendettas and agendas lie about me. Besides anyone with $80,000 to spend does proper research, and the attacks tend to give me publicity so they probably help me.
Or just test a simpler version for free at :.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 20, 04:03 PM 2017why not put more efforts into making an auto-speed detector for live wheels?
this will turn over the table ...
You mean this: link:s://:.hybridroulettecomputer.com/ and link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19227.0
It already does work online and gets prediction around 2-3 seconds after ball release, and automatically places bets. But we quickly got refused payouts from the online casinos. They could see when we were placing bets, and their terms of service allows them to refuse payouts based on suspicion alone. It's much, much easier to avoid detection in real casinos. And you dont need to worry about multiple accounts and being refused payouts.
777, I'm not offering the $2500 system anymore. Well at least my partners took over for a while because I didnt have time. Now they dont have time. And I've acquired 2 other businesses so I have to stop taking new system players. I'm still running my computer teams though, at least for another few years.
All I'll say is give up system betting. The quicker the better.
Use some form of AP play or computer aided play that's connected to the wheel and ball. It's not difficult but it do require hard work on your part and a lot of brains.
My AP play is much better than my earlier fx based computer, so I did the switch last week.
As for now, I'm not decided whether a roulette computer is necessary to gain good profits. I should be able to come to some form of opinion after about 3months of real play.
You don't need a computer. It's just the fastest and most profitable option. But it doesn't suit everyone.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 21, 03:37 AM 2017
But anyway it is a requirement my players only play where it's LEGAL, which is in about half of casinos. Players sign an agreement for it.
pfff, i dont get this!
how it comes that casino legalize the use of computer?
it seems to me so stupid, either they sure that computer cant beat the roulette or they are fool...!!!!
Casino's are not foolish. Everything they do is calculated by far.
It's not difficult to win on some online live dealer wheels.
BUT if you can win I bet the casino will activate some restrictive action against you.
Today my offday, so I tested on Dragonara wheel with real money play and after won twice with one loss the video and buttons were disturbed. :twisted:
Do you also notice the payout list is small ?
So, forget about online casino. They cheat and they won't pay you.
Quote from: cht on Oct 21, 10:12 AM 2017So, forget about online casino. They cheat and they won't pay you
Does Mortagon agree to this sentence
I just bought Roulette Prediction & Calculator Pro for $ 50. Has anyone tried it yet?
Quote from: denzie on Oct 21, 08:06 AM 2017
Casino's are not foolish. Everything they do is calculated by far.
yeah, i also think so.
by the way how it comes that computers are legal somewhere and player should sign an agreement for it?
Does that mean casino know that computers will not beat the wheel consistenly?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 21, 01:18 PM 2017Roulette Prediction & Calculator Pro
I have no experience with this, but it seems work only on andorid.
are you using it on your phone only?
Quote from: cht on Oct 21, 10:12 AM 2017
It's not difficult to win on some online live dealer wheels.
BUT if you can win I bet the casino will activate some restrictive action against you.
Today my offday, so I tested on Dragonara wheel with real money play and after won twice with one loss the video and buttons were disturbed. :twisted:
Do you also notice the payout list is small ?
So, forget about online casino. They cheat and they won't pay you.
I don't agree with you, it simply depends.
not all online casino are run by idiots, some are nice especially the big ones.
Quote from: cht on Oct 21, 10:12 AM 2017
So, forget about online casino. They cheat and they won't pay you.
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 21, 10:58 AM 2017
Does Mortagon agree to this sentence
Not all. ;)
Online casino's have a bad rap . But if you play the ones approved by the GAMING COMMISSION you never have a problem!
Note....The others don't give full access to investigate there wheels or whatever Soooo. ..They dont get a license. And come on the black list.
Here's what I experienced that lead to why I think this casino that I play at cheats -
1. From spin launch to nmb is normally stable at 8-5 secs. This was suddenly changed to erractic times between 5-0secs. There was also cases when spin launched after nmb.
2. The undo button was modified. Normally the 1st click removes the latest bet and the 2nd click removes the rest of the bets. This was changed to remove each bet at a time with each click.
3. The history data was not updated. Even after log out and the history cache cleaned then relog in the history was not updated at the same place onwards.
4. I was not allowed to bet for 3spins, but the audio and video showed that the game was still going on.
5. There are some changes that happened at the wheel plus dealer change but I will not share the details.
All this happened after I placed bet to win 2 hands and loss 1 hand plus loss 1 hand which is caused by this changes listed above that I was not aware off at that time when I placed that bet.
I share this details to substantiate why I come to this conclusion of cheat. And since this is a forum of fellow punters, it is beneficial for us to be aware of the going-on playing at online casino and to compare our personal playing experience.
I have spent a short time playing real money at online live dealer casino ie. Dublinbet, and the sole purpose is to test methods with real money bets at home after historical backtest is completed.
I use neteller to fund and withdraw. The withdrawal times both previous done comes through at the max 72hrs. This is my playing experience with this online casino.
Addition -
This is the best wheel with the least restrictions among the many live dealer wheels listed on dublinbet. The rest is a lot worse in their own degree of restrictions.
The withdrawal time of 72hrs does not include weekend and holidays.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 21, 04:12 PM 2017
Online casino's have a bad rap . But if you play the ones approved by the GAMING COMMISSION you never have a problem!
Note....The others don't give full access to investigate there wheels or whatever Soooo. ..They dont get a license. And come on the black list.
Denzie,
In terms of honesty and treating players fairly, gaming commissions can vary widely from country to country and from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
From your comments, I have the impression that the gaming commission in your country of Belgium is one of the good ones.
But that is not necessarily the case for other countries.
That is why you find that players from other countries post the negative comments that they do.
Fair enough. ... No idea how it works in other countries. Anyway choose wisely.
Try unibet, casino777 , bwin, circus, ...
Note...betfair and William Hill are on our black list
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 21, 05:13 AM 2017
pfff, i dont get this!
how it comes that casino legalize the use of computer?
it seems to me so stupid, either they sure that computer cant beat the roulette or they are fool...!!!!
Casinos don't legalize anything. Laws to make something "illegal" must be created by governments. In about half of jurisdictions, the laws are old and define cheating as anything that INFLUENCES game outcomes. Predicting game outcomes is not influencing game outcomes. We know this very well and have written legal advice from lawyers in many jurisdictions.
Laws wont stop most players using computers, so they are not so much a priority for casinos. Although of course casinos are putting pressure on governments to change laws quicker. The casino's first line of defense is detecting consistent winners, then taking action like closing bets earlier. But again its easy to avoid detection. Still its not for everyone. You need to have balls.
Regarding the roulette predictor app, it is designed very poorly. Compare results with the free computer I give. The free computer uses a basic algorithm but still better. Some simple changes to their app would make a big difference.
There are reputable casinos that dont refuse payouts. But they will still change conditions to make you lose or leave. And its harder to avoid detection at online casinos. Anyone who says they win constantly at online casinos with the same account is full of shit. Take william hill for example. Supposedly reputable, but they very often restrict accounts so you cant play roulette.
No casino will tolerate consistently losing. The only way to win consistently is avoid detection.
Also you dont need to be using a computer to be restricted at somewhere like william hill. Any account with reasonable winnings will be restricted... just in case you have a winning method. I know it for a fact because many people complained to me. Why me? Because my sites rank in google they want to contact me to complain. I'm sure other website owners get the complaints too.
HI Steve,
Have you played in the US? Are their roulette wheels (Indian and otherwise) above ground and fair for you to win consistently? You did state on one of your site that high roller wheels in the US may possibly cheat so I was just wondering.
What is your (team's) take home win threshold on a typical visit in the US and highest and lowest?
Also you state your best win pct for your best comp is 40%. To my understanding it (win pct) is the total units won divided by the total units wagered. So if I wagered 1 unit for 100 spins total and I won 55 spins and lost 45 spins giving me a 10 unit (55-45) surplus, my win pct would be 10% (10/100). Your calculations would require a tad more paperwork given that you do inside bets, but you get my simple explanation. Are we on the same page with the pct calculation?
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Oct 18, 03:34 AM 2017
Ok the answer of most voted users is YES :). But nobody explain how to play this longterm system, is there any of you to explain in 5 steps what to bet? But please no vb jokes, roulette computers etc.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 21, 02:03 PM 2017
I don't agree with you, it simply depends.
not all online casino are run by idiots, some are nice especially the big ones.
This is how it works: online casino's let you grow your account because they know you will eventually succumb under the house edge. You will notice, however, that after you have cashed some or all of your winning, you will NEVER build up winnings anymore. They adjust the algorithm and you will start losing. It is the same story everywhere. Logical, because online is like sticking your dick in a hole in the fence. You do not know for sure what happens on the other side of the fence!
Quote from: johnb on Dec 22, 09:39 AM 2020
This is how it works: online casino's let you grow your account because they know you will eventually succumb under the house edge. You will notice, however, that after you have cashed some or all of your winning, you will NEVER build up winnings anymore. They adjust the algorithm and you will start losing. It is the same story everywhere.
I have opened several new accounts over the last 6 months and I had wins at all of them in the beginning playing slots.
My deposits were only £10/£20 and I got back tenfold at each one winning £60/£70 on bonus rounds for a 0.20p stake.
I am not complaining but it does seem like they let you win a bit in the beginning before turning the tap off if you play any of the RNG games.
My theory is that loyal customer 'Joe' comes along and drops £100 and thinks he was unlucky. They pass that £100 on to the newbie and have potentially gained a satisfied new customer. It keeps the customer base growing and cost them nothing.
This question is dumb. Of course long term systems exist. Of course none of them work, unless there is a valid reason, like physics.
Quote from: Mean on Jan 01, 04:21 PM 2021
This question is dumb. Of course long term systems exist. Of course none of them work, unless there is a valid reason, like physics.
Plug & play systems exist and they will always fail long term.
Methods of play exists and there are some that holds long term! And they are really profitable!