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..............ok to be honest this thread will only suit those who want to test, are still on the fence or who already believe REPEATERS (hot numbers) can/may/do work.  It will not suit closed minded roulette players.
The intention is to exhaust how repeaters can work in your favour.
If Repeaters is a swear word to you...........there are many other threads, please look elsewhere.
The intention of this thread is not to debate whether repeaters can work or not.  It is to explore how repeaters can be used as a system and links if discussed to other threads involving repeats.  Your successes and challenges. Nothing is set in stone as my key word is always 'refine' to the best of your ability through intensive testing.
What does intensive testing mean?  Every possible combination of numbers for $1 million spins......is unrealistic unless you are an android that has maintenance every 50 years......or a randomiser/good programmer of course  ;)  I don't have that long in my lifetime.

INTRO
In my opinion only a few people in world have possibly cracked the roulette wheel and would reveal it to no one.
For everyone else unless it is a full time job to study and test.....keep it as a hobby and if you win more than you loose then a bonus!!
You can get too bogged down in the so called science of the wheel.
I think also some people also like the idea of boasting that they have a system that is successful and not reveal it unless for a price or the ability to keep people thinking that one exists and they need to know it!!
You will have more of an edge if you study your system first instead of the 80% or so people who randomly choose numbers when they go to the casino.  The 'randomness' in this sense can then be minimised to then have some sort of chance.
There are many intelligent people out there and the majority of us will not beat it.
Did the creator of the roulette wheel study this back to front inside out and find not one loophole? I think it would take more than a few years I'm sure and also help from others to try and bulletproof the wheel to be unstoppable over time.
It is like saying there is nothing out, no life beyond our world, roulette has many infinite possibilities due to the betting options.

I have discovered the following and am open to any opinions and research others have done (disagreement is inevitable like the house edge):

GENERAL OBSERVATIONS (Aimed for the beginners not seasoned players):
- Any system has a limit, if it is a progression used to bet then a stop loss is essential, if it wins more than it looses then 'half' the battle is won.
- To make reasonable returns, don't bet too many numbers
- Martingale is taboo and is for the rookie whatever variation exists
- Only Suckers play online roulette (gambler businesses applaud suckers), use a LIVE DEALER
- Never play on double zero wheels (unless you can help it)
- Keep an open mind and do not disregard a system without testing first
- Be sober and avoid distractions to have any chance with your chosen system

KEY PRINCIPLES (Seasoned will challenge here):
- Don't use the carpet and the set sequence on the mat laid before your eyes to make bets - This is a visual that tricks 99% of players, think past this...
- Bet on inside numbers only to have any chance over the longer run
- Focus on the wheel
- QUESTION - Have you ever seen every number appear once in 37 spins?  If not I suggest this is a thread for you to discuss REPEATERS!


Thanks to the following who have helped me to understand how repeaters can work for us to name but a few!
- Turbo, Denzie, Nottophammer, Priyanka

...there are others I'm sure no disrespect to those I have not listed who discuss on this forum.

I will reveal when I get a moment the other principles what I think are the key elements for any 'chance of success using what I have called the 'The Repeaters Principle'

I like using repeaters. It can't be the singles alone imo.  There are
hot lines, dozens, etc that my help 'logic out' a possible repeater bet.

However, truth is any number has a 2.7% (Euro) chance of hitting.

Hi Proofreaders2000, sorry you are the other I forgot to mention as helping understand and discussing repeats.

Yes I agree, if you mean singles to be doubles, as there can sometimes be too many so betting and progression can get out of hand.
I don't actually bet on anything other than the inside but other combo's as well such as splits and sometimes quads I look at but can get tricky if I combine more than 2 systems keeping track what made profit and what didn't with your bankroll unless you are gauging the overall profit increase and then restarting.

I voted for the third option -- they only work for me sometimes (less than 50% of sessions).

I strictly stick to betting on the 2-peaters to become 3-peaters. Occasionally, they happen quickly enough for me to make a profit flatbetting.

But most of the time, I am forced into negative progression territory, which is anathema to me.

Hence, I voted for the third option.

The thing about repeaters is sometimes they spread to far (gaps).
Then you get to many #
So you need only play a few # at all times.  :thumbsup:

This colbster thread post#17 & 19 got me started serious work on repeaters. I looked specifically at 1 to >1 and based on the original colbster's idea and winkel binomial distribution table, I theorised that the best time to bet repeaters is at the peak top percentile of the distribution to avoid the gaps that we usually see.

To avoid too many numbers on 1 to >1, what I did was to track ECs at the same time ie. RB, HL, OE to bet only those numbers when there's a bias towards one side, discard the numbers on the lesser side that gives slightly over 50% of those numbers to bet on.

My backtest over a month of actual spins from my b&m casino showed good results. I followed up with real money test on dublinbet played dragonara and batumi wheels turning 50euros into 207euros in 3sessions of play.

I then played at my local b&m casino with a computer aided program on my phone to make 100% br on 2sessions, the 3rd session loss 40% br. There were a series of zeroes and consecutive back to back numbers during that session that surprised me. Play was conducted at the same wheel.

I have stopped play since. So I don't know what to make out of repeaters at this point in time.

Colbster thread -
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14735.15

Yes Denzie agreed!
Exactly what I do!

I adopt the SOP Principle (my 3 key elements) for any strategy I play:
S = Stoploss - Have a STOPLOSS in place before you begin play to set your limits
O = Odds - Increasing the odds in your favour as you progress
P = Profit - Making a sufficient profit to make it worthwhile (usually progression required mixed with the right odds)

...adopt the SOP, otherwise STOP and don't play!

Have heard of the Colbster Method and think I have tested in the past but will refresh.

Thanks CHT!

I do not even have the chance to test it now.
We play from the first spin, the first number that falls on our bet and so we do up to 4 spin
This way we have 4 numbers and we play them if some other number goes 2 times, we replace the oldest number we chose with one falling out. And we do this every time, we always remove the oldest number and replace it with the hotter one.
We always end the sessions when we are on any plus.
Progression is 1-5-25
We play in such a way that we use 1 unit and to hit our number, then if the balance is negative we increase the stake to 5 units, then we will play our number and again if after hit and negativ balance, we rise stake to 25 units and We're going to hit

Why do repeats occur?
In a table of 37 numbers, you will have 18 low, 18 high, 18 red, 18 black, 12 1st dozen, 12 2nd dozen... Have you ever seen a 37 number set that follows such an orderly principle when random delivers it for you? If not, why not?

Quote from: 3Nine on Oct 22, 09:41 AM 2017
Why do repeats occur?
In a table of 37 numbers, you will have 18 low, 18 high, 18 red, 18 black, 12 1st dozen, 12 2nd dozen... Have you ever seen a 37 number set that follows such an orderly principle when random delivers it for you? If not, why not?

Because the game is random!  Since one spin has nothing to do with the next spin.  Repeats occur!

Quote from: denzie on Oct 22, 04:12 AM 2017
The thing about repeaters is sometimes they spread to far (gaps).
Then you get to many #
So you need only play a few # at all times.  :thumbsup:

This might be usefull:
link:://:.pichost.org/image/JQ5S

Quote from: Bettingking on Oct 22, 01:00 AM 2017In my opinion only a few people in world have possibly cracked the roulette wheel and would reveal it to no one.

Agreed

Quote from: Bettingking on Oct 22, 01:00 AM 2017- Don't use the carpet and the set sequence on the mat laid before your eyes to make bets - This is a visual that tricks 99% of players, think past this...
- Bet on inside numbers only to have any chance over the longer run

Completely Agree.
Anything that works uses inside numbers only - forget the table layout and the wheel layout and what color the dealer's hair is.. it has nothing to do with random.
As long as the wheel produces random - the game itself can be exploited using math.
People also have to come to the understanding that each spin is independent - but this doesn't mean that "random" doesn't happen, it only back it up.
Anyone stuck on "one spin" only will never understand repeats at all - and there are many who think because 1 spin is completely independent from the next - there's nothing you can do. It's nonsense. I posted a video from YouTube on the other forum showing how something entirely and completely random and independent was predictable in amazing fashion (you could set a watch by it). And that was in the 60's. But it requires people to see the game as a "session" of independent spins, and not 1 spin where there's nothing you can do.

I use math/stats to play casino games and always will.

Recently I spent a lot of time looking at the wheel and ball, I have somewhat changed my understanding of the roulette game.

The outcome of each spin is very much dependent on the physical conditions of their spin.

Therefore, is each spin totally independent of every other spin? I say no. If the physical condition closely replicates some other previous spins, the outcome is likely to be the same.

About random, yes the outcomes are random since the physical conditions that accompany each spin is mostly not the same. The bigger factor more dominant than mere random is chaos. The casino regularly uses chaos by introducing changing physical conditions to make the spins less predictable. So chaos is the bigger culprit than random.

About independence of single spins and the dependency of a sessions of spins. Dependency of spins as people understand it do occur when the physical conditions are stable and more repetitive. Where there's rise in chaos the dependency rate mostly drops. This choatic state can emerge without warning at any time as and when the physical conditions becomes choatic. And this can be induced by the casino and they do it regularly.

Due to my current understanding, I conclude that predictions rooted only on math/stats has to have broader assumptions to encapsulate the physical aspect of the game. At this point in time, I don't find it to be more efficient. It's only logical to relate this math/stats model to the physical aspects to establish any form of correlation. IMHO.

Ok so the first step in my theory is to have 37 numbers spun and look at the repeats focusing on 3 and 4 repeaters.
Turbo may say it will fail at this point....so comments please before I continue  :thumbsup:

Also what is the definition of 'HOT NUMBER'??
There can be no discussion if the definition is not set that people can refer to and test as a 'HOT NUMBER'.

Hot Number hits three times above average

Example: #3 hit three times in 37 spins
average is 1 hit in 37 spins.

Same with a hot street:
Example: s1-3 hit three times in 12 spins

Quote from: Bettingking on Oct 23, 01:24 AM 2017so comments please before I continue  :thumbsup:

I wouldn't wait either but pls continue

Repeaters are not few. At the end of the day u need to pick up the correct one. Only one correct pick up will take u to high. Nothing work if you cant pick up correctly.

Quote from: Madi on Oct 23, 02:06 PM 2017
Repeaters are not few.

At the end of the day u need to pick up the correct one.

Only one correct pick up will take u to high. Nothing work if you cant pick up correctly.

What would be the source of your insight for picking up this one correct (and special) number?

Quote from: Bettingking on Oct 23, 01:24 AM 2017Ok so the first step in my theory is to have 37 numbers spun and look at the repeats focusing on 3 and 4 repeaters.
Turbo may say it will fail at this point

Yes, because those "were" hot numbers and probably have nothing to do with future spins

Quote from: Bettingking on Oct 23, 01:47 AM 2017Also what is the definition of 'HOT NUMBER'??

Any number that appears above average

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 23, 04:15 AM 2017Hot Number hits three times above average
Example: #3 hit three times in 37 spins
average is 1 hit in 37 spins.

I don't understand this one, it's not accurate.
A hot number is any number that appears above expected according to the math.
It surely doesn't have to hit 3 times above average to be hot.
This is where some "thinking" comes in. I could explain more but why be so obvious.
If you focus on this you'll jump forward in your search.

I don't understand this one, it's not accurate.
A hot number is any number that appears above expected according to the math.
It surely doesn't have to hit 3 times above average to be hot.
This is where some "thinking" comes in. I could explain more but why be so obvious.
If you focus on this you'll jump forward in your search.-TurboGenius

Perhaps.  If we can figure out the exact average
(or remotely close to it that would be the Grail)

At current, any given single usually hits bt 12 and 48 spins from current research.

If you focus on this you'll jump forward in your search-TurboGenius

My premise is if I give back in contributions
the Karma will grow and good things happen. 

You see you and I are talking...

Sharing is caring? I agree.....will post more details tomorrow....also variations on a theme....not of the classical kind. 😉

Quote from: Bettingking on Oct 24, 01:09 PM 2017
Sharing is caring? I agree.....will post more details tomorrow....also variations on a theme....not of the classical kind. 😉

:thumbsup:

2 Variations on a theme:

METHOD 1 - THE PATIENT PLAYER
This method waits for the 4th repeater to become the 5th
Tracking is required for repeats
The reason for this type of betting with 4 repeats is that you are betting on less numbers turning into 5 but generating a decent profit on a win.
Can it turn cold and you loose....yes always a possibility but the no. of wins and larger profits when hit should be more than the stoploss.

- Wait 37 spins and check out if there are any numbers with 4 hits (possibly 1 or none)
- If there is a 5th you can still try for a 6th
- If only 3's then wait for a 4th before starting the betting

Bet 1 or 2 units depending on your bankroll on that 4th repeater number, if two 4's then bet 2 units on each
Work out your profit minimum level (I like minimum 20 units)
So always watch to make sure you will win based on your minimum level.
If starting with 1 4's then goes to 2 4's then add 2 units on each.
Each additional 4's  add another unit or enough to reach your minimum.
eg. So 4 numbers with 4 repeats = 4 units on each.

This can turn into a good profit verses risk ratio so you are risking a lot to make only a few.
Stop loss I set is 500 units.
Should win more than loose but adjust based on your own risk levels and bankroll.
Let me know what you think.

METHOD 2 - THE INPATIENT PLAYER...soon.

Quote from: Bettingking on Oct 26, 08:43 AM 2017
2 Variations on a theme:

METHOD 1 - THE PATIENT PLAYER
This method waits for the 4th repeater to become the 5th

You remember few months ago that Probasah guy claimed to found the hg ? With flatbet. Well this was his bet. His only bet. Of course it's been coded and of course it loses.

It's smart you set a stop loss or it would wipe out everything when the 5th hit doesn't come. (Early)

:thumbsup:

Yes I agree hence Method 2 Denzie.... (preferred but larger bankroll required)   :thumbsup:

METHOD 2 - THE INPATIENT PLAYER
1 to become 2 = will happen but large bankroll required
2 to become 3 = STAGE 1
3 to become 4 = STAGE 2 (Sweet spot)
4 to become 5 = STAGE 3 (Riskier)

Choose your stage or STAGE 1 & 2 for best profit and chance risk based on averages - LARGE BANKROLL REQUIRED THOUGH!!!
Add STAGE 3 also if made profit by betting in STAGE 1 & 2 but track and stay in profit and risk only part of that profit
Choose STAGE 2 only (recommended)

- Start betting as soon as a 3 3 repeater has hit, setting profit minimum (i like min. 15-20 units profit)
- OPTION - Wait for 3, 3 repeaters to appear before starting betting.
- add 1 more unit per 3 repeater hit (4 3's = 4 units minimum or more to stay in profit)

(You may have times where a 4th may hit before 3 3 repeaters have hit but the best chance I can think of and I still bet if a 4th has hit.  Better as you are not waiting for only 1 number to hit with higher odds)  ::)

I'm sure variations of this has been tested before and failed but found this more successful than some other repeater systems.

PS - My opinion......If you really want to make money consistently........I hate to say it but don't play roulette do what the banks do!   :thumbsup:
You can't take roulette seriously as it will always find a way to eventually eat your money.
Play it for fun or as a hobby only.

Study what the banks do intently for 2 years as a minimum and then you will also not have to worry about the house edge.  :xd:

If you understand what I mean then you are on the right track!
Not a topic about roulette so enough said.