This thread is a very important one link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17115.0
Apply the idea I will speak about to the thread mentioned above.
Many people confuse pigeonhole to just speak about 2 pigeons being in the same hole. The concept is more then just that. Need to look at it with different eyes!
For example...
If you have 6 black socks and 6 white socks... how many socks do you need to pull out before you have 1 pair?
3 socks!!!!
This is using the pigeonhole principle!
The holes = 1 pair( 2 holes)
The pigeons = socks (3 socks)
Im going to give another example using roulette.
This next post I'm debating whether I should post it or not. Many will still not understand. But some might see it.
I changed my mind! 😅
This might also help with these repeat systems turbo/denzie been talking about. So I'm going to give you an example relatable to roulette instead of roulette but very close
We have 6 runners racing for 1 mile daily for the next 13 days.
Using the pigeonhole theory we can figure out the minimum amount of wins for 1 runner out of the 6. We dont know who will win but we do know the minimum wins within the 13 days......
Atleast 1 runner will win 3 times.
Lets say each runner wins 2 times. That will mean its been 12 days(6*2)...so on the 13th day 1 will have 3 wins no matter which way you slice it!
The next step is where the holy grail is found.
You solve this next step and you my friend will have solved the grail with MATH.
Don't be too rigid in your understanding of PhP.
The number of pigeons and holes is not static, it's constantly changing.
It's preferable but not necessary to be absolute, meaning 3pigeons and 2holes.
It's about critical mass, 20pigeons 18holes, not pure math.
It's about bias distribution, eg. falkor's heatmap.
It's a governing criteria, not the the main thrust.
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I'm simplifying things and trying to show a different view on the concept
Because everyone just looks at pigeons and holes. It's so much more then that.
Also my understanding is just fine. I can use some more learning to get better
but tell me.....
Can you make a play EVERY spin for 20,50,100,1000 spins and come out ahead flatbet?
I'm telling you that you can create a situation in which you can, using this concept. I'm speaking from experience. Now it's not perfect I play to many numbers for my taste but it can't lose! Mathematically!
Money - very interesting topic. Let oking forward for more.
I'd like to try :)
Let's say 1/4 of the wheel will always hit every four spins.
Could we say bet three numbers (a street
or a sector of three) every fourth spin
Example: last decision, fourth outcome, eighth outcome
We get those outcomes and bet once (nine numbers)
and repeat with the newest last decision, fourth, eighth outcome
on the next spin (continuously)
Or say 1/6 of the wheel will show every six spins.
Get the sixth outcome from up to the last 36 outcomes.
Sixth, 12th, 18th, 24th, 30th, 36th spin-value
Bet those six numbers once
Repeat with the newest spin-values each spin.
Proofreader,
No..go back to my first example with the socks.
We needed to find 1 pair (which equals 2)
So we need to create a situation where we will atleast have 1 pair. After we pull 3 socks we have no choice but to get one pair!
In your example using an event with 4 outcomes. You would need n+1 to create a situation.
What do we get in 5 spins? Using 4 outcomes? A repeat!
Hmmmm so those cycles Pri spoke about; seems there might be a link 🤔
What was the goal?
To create situation where we aren't playing random!
My example of 6 runners and having atleast 1 runner with a minimum of 3 wins in 13 spins.
what game can we play with 6 possibilities?
I said spins
Oops lmao
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 07:31 AM 2017My example of 6 runners and having atleast 1 runner with a minimum of 3 wins in 13 spins.
6 lines, atleast one line each spin, for 13 spins
What's the difference between?
Playing spins normal and tracking
Vs
Playing dynamic spins the way that we learned in the out of the box thread
The REPEAT happens 99% of the time on the first half!
So we know where the repeat will come from. We just don't know when it will happen.
But does that really matter? NO it does not. We just need to have enough winning games to where the losing games don't affect us.
Can WE CREATE a situation using the info in this thread?
QuoteIf you have 6 black socks and 6 white socks... how many socks do you need to pull out before you have 1 pair?
problem is when you pull out first sock out you will put it next to you and when roulette pulls out sock puts it back in for the next pull
Quote from: maestro on Nov 03, 11:57 AM 2017
problem is when you pull out first sock out you will put it next to you and when roulette pulls out sock puts it back in for the next pull
Then if you know this is the problem.. why don't you solve it?
I'm speaking about the solution in this thread. This is the basic idea! But it can be applied to other EVENTS!
Pri said she can gain an edge playing parallel game with vdw.
I think the parallel game has everyone confused.
Here's a tip to solve your problem and the most I think anyone will ever say about this. Everything is being put out there in the open with these next questions!
Do you think playing lines and 6 groups of 6 numbers makes a difference?
How long can the game of roulette go against me if my play is also random?
What if I'm playing more then one game?
The games are separate one has nothing to do with the other. The results are also different and random!
Can roulette beat me? For how long?
Pigeonhole theory says I can't lose no matter the outcome.
Try it so you can see why!
For European wheels of 37numbers(36+zero) -
1. PhP tells us by 38spins, there will be at least 1 repeat.
2. Binomial distribution tells us that by 37spins the expected hit is 24 and repeat is 13.
3. Birthday paradox tells us by the 10th spin the probability of a repeat is in excess of 90%.
I posted that excel sheet months ago on turbo thread. How is PhP suppose to help give us a betting edge ? Explain in plain language with clear roulette examples that everyone can understand. Nothing cryptic pls, we had enough of that nonsense. Thx.
I said everything in my last post!
All you have to do is read. I gave away the answer how to solve. I even told you what to play and how to play it
All you have to do is READ
CHT is spot on imo.
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What do we get in 5 spins? Using 4 outcomes? A repeat!
Atlantis proposed this in the form of four unique lines-
And the fifth spin one of those four should hit.
I'm more interested in the 'socks that don't match' :)
Dyksexlic...
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To form a 38 word sentence in ENGLISH requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' grammar rules !!!
To form a 38 spin repeating cycle using the 'PIGEONHOLE' principle in roulette requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' betting rules
!!
Now, using just one set of 37 RANDOM WORDS would be difficult enough, but supposing we added a 'CONTINUAL' SECOND data stream of random words (composed of the 37 original word 'VOCABULARY' data set) and fed them into a roulette table composed of the FIRST set (to act as our roulette 'SPIN' event) !
Would it be possible for any roulette 'System' to be able to take the SECOND data stream of words and accurately PREDICT the correct relevance of each of the 37 place holders (roulette table bets) BEFORE 1 of the words REPEATS ? - thus ORDERING them into a COHERENT English Sentence that used the 37 WORDS in the CORRECT order.
Now the 'CHANCES' of being able to do this are so high, that no computer in the world could POSSIBLY calculate the odds. If I used a machine to create the second data stream of roulette 'SPIN' words, I could be accused by 'EXPERTS' of cheating. So I thought of a better solution. Supposing I took words (which could be found on the original 37 word roulette (table') from forum posts (in the order they were posted) to act as 'RANDOM' spin events ?
Could anyone then accuse me of cheating ? I didn't choose the 'spin' words myself, did I ?
QuoteTurning 'RANDOM' into 'ORDER' is what you are TRYING to do when you place a bet in roulette.
The roulette wheel is 'RANDOM', and the roulette table is 'ORDER'...
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 04, 03:54 AM 2017
CHT is spot on imo.
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I'm more interested in the 'socks that don't match' :)
That's good atleast someone is thinking! You should look into it! I used the idea just to get a point across. I play for both repeats and uniques!
I'm no better then anyone. I still can improve my game. It's not perfect yet. But it wins flatbet!
You can't win just playing repeats!
You can't win just playing uniques!
You have to play in a way that has both
This is my last tip! Shining light to what I'm doing and what dyksexlic did.
*Use the roulette result as a random number generator for your system!* can't get anymore clear then that with everything I've posted in this thread
I play a game with 37 numbers! (Not same as roulette numbers)...Roulette gives me a result and I convert to my game and pick based on what I'm playing! 9 results give me a loss and 28 results give me a win
Dyksexlic has a different method
Reddwarf has a different system
Pri has different methods
The method I am using is different
But all have same things in common! In some way shape or form.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 12:26 PM 2017Pigeonhole theory says I can't lose no matter the outcome.
Really?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 04, 06:44 AM 2017
That's good atleast someone is thinking! You should look into it! I used the idea just to get a point across. I play for both repeats and uniques!
I'm no better then anyone. I still can improve my game. It's not perfect yet. But it wins flatbet!
You can't win just playing repeats!
You can't win just playing uniques!
You have to play in a way that has both
This is my last tip! Shining light to what I'm doing and what dyksexlic did.
*Use the roulette result as a random number generator for your system!* can't get anymore clear then that with everything I've posted in this thread
I play a game with 37 numbers! (Not same as roulette numbers)...Roulette gives me a result and I convert to my game and pick based on what I'm playing! 9 results give me a loss and 28 results give me a win
Dyksexlic has a different method
Reddwarf has a different system
Pri has different methods
The method I am using is different
But all have same things in common! In some way shape or form.
Explain your strategy please....
Thanks
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 04, 06:44 AM 2017someone
Do you know how to apply this ideas to roulette or you are just waiting for some new ideas to improve your strategy???
Quote from: praline on Nov 04, 09:53 PM 2017
Do you know how to apply this ideas to roulette or you are just waiting for some new ideas to improve your strategy???
Where in any of my post in this thread did i ask you or anyone for help? Im not like your friend who deceived people just to get info out of them. If i dont know something i dont act as if i do!
I shared alot of info that took me a long time to put together! Some of what i said shouldnt even be in here. But clearly everyone who wants to be blind will continue to do so!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 12:35 AM 2017
I'm speaking from experience.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 07:31 AM 2017
What was the goal?
To create situation where we aren't playing random!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 07:49 AM 2017
We just need to have enough winning games to where the losing games don't affect us.
Can WE CREATE a situation using the info in this thread?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 04, 06:44 AM 2017
I play for both repeats and uniques!
It's not perfect yet. But it wins flatbet!
This is my last tip!
*Use the roulette result as a random number generator for your system!*
I play a game with 37 numbers! (Not same as roulette numbers)...
The method I am using
I already created the game. As matter of fact because i know how to create the game, i can create many games. All different and they all can win. AT THE SAME TIME!
So tell me again.... what are you or anyone in this forum going to teach me? (not including dyksexlic/reddwarf/pri, i still have alot to learn from them)
Could you provide more clues MoneyT101?
They don't have to be exact. Maybe a page on a forum or a quote from somebody?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 05, 01:12 AM 2017
Could you provide more clues MoneyT101?
They don't have to be exact. Maybe a page on a forum or a quote from somebody?
Give me two to three days, I'm a be pretty busy right now
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 05, 01:47 AM 2017So tell me again.... what are you or anyone in this forum going to teach me? (not including dyksexlic/reddwarf/pri, i still have alot to learn from them)
Wow ! What a comment. ;D
You don't happen to have a broken keyboard, do you ? :twisted:
Anyway, about repeaters and VdW, I aligned them together binomial distribution on one page and VdW on another, when VdW coordinates with binomial distribution, the repeats hits the hot pockets like magic ! Just tried it moments ago, looks logical since they're on the same side, I wonder if they hold over a large sample, that's to find out.
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Turning 'RANDOM' into 'ORDER' is what you are TRYING to do when you place a bet in roulette. ***
Not sure who said that , but that is one of the best ways to try to beat roulette.
Random is limited by ORDER, i can say that the order is one of the best enemy of
the random.
Because of random the numbers and groups of numbers can not
stay / hit always in same order, at some point will change the Position(s).
*Past ordered sequence* Vs *random sequence *
POS vs RS
Remember POS are not prederminate groups(doz, col, R,B,E,O....) , are created from the last few x spins.
Create your own groups with numbers or splits ( sometimes can be used also streets). New session , new
created groups , so not static groups.
POS = abcabcabcabc......(created groups)
RS= acbcacaabcca.......(predetermined groups)
- in the first we see same positions ( position 3 and 6) between same group of numbers
( from a to a , from b to b, from c to c )
higher probability to hit position 1 or position 2 in the next X spins
- in the second we see chaotic / random sequence , chaotic positions between same
group of numbers, probability to hit..... any position (maybe 1 and 2 higher because
statistics...)
Other example :
POS = aabbccaabbcc...
RS = caabcbccbabba....
- in the first we see same positions (position 1, 5 and 6 )
- in the second again random sequence and positions
- what positions will hit in the next x spins ? any for sure , but
i am sure position 2 or 3 will hit very soon ( but not in all of the cases/sessions)
Anyway from statistics (for groups)positions 1 , 2 (and 3 ) have the higher probability
to hit , so why not create situations where this positions will be missing ( forced absence
using order /past spins/ position ) than attack for few spins that positions.
Also,
I know one spin is independent , but one group of numbers is not independent anymore
Quote from: Kattila on Nov 05, 06:18 AM 2017
Quote :
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Turning 'RANDOM' into 'ORDER' is what you are TRYING to do when you place a bet in roulette. ***
Not sure who said that , but that is one of the best ways to try to beat roulette.
Random is limited by ORDER, i can say that the order is one of the best enemy of
the random.
Because of random the numbers and groups of numbers can not
stay / hit always in same order, at some point will change the Position(s).
*Past ordered sequence* Vs *random sequence *
POS vs RS
Remember POS are not prederminate groups(doz, col, R,B,E,O....) , are created from the last few x spins.
Create your own groups with numbers or splits ( sometimes can be used also streets). New session , new
created groups , so not static groups.
POS = abcabcabcabc......(created groups)
RS= acbcacaabcca.......(predetermined groups)
- in the first we see same positions ( position 3 and 6) between same group of numbers
( from a to a , from b to b, from c to c )
higher probability to hit position 1 or position 2 in the next X spins
- in the second we see chaotic / random sequence , chaotic positions between same
group of numbers, probability to hit..... any position (maybe 1 and 2 higher because
statistics...)
Other example :
POS = aabbccaabbcc...
RS = caabcbccbabba....
- in the first we see same positions (position 1, 5 and 6 )
- in the second again random sequence and positions
- what positions will hit in the next x spins ? any for sure , but
i am sure position 2 or 3 will hit very soon ( but not in all of the cases/sessions)
Anyway from statistics (for groups)positions 1 , 2 (and 3 ) have the higher probability
to hit , so why not create situations where this positions will be missing ( forced absence
using order /past spins/ position ) than attack for few spins that positions.
Also,
I know one spin is independent , but one group of numbers is not independent anymore
POS has to have a reason why they demonstrate this order, not based on some voodooish assumptions unless whatever universal claim can be backed up with empirical evidence. Or you're expressing an opinion or belief of some sort ?
The purpose of latest tech advances is basically to randomnise outcomes with physical intrusion mid-spin that's legal. How is this supposed order claim possible when such intervention is activated in actual live money play if need be for the operator ?
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Or you're expressing an opinion or belief of some sort ? ***
I am expressing my personal opinion and experience (real play ) , not sure
if ths could work in the very long run, but for xx xxx spins yes works.
Quote from: cht on Nov 05, 06:32 AM 2017
POS has to have a reason why they demonstrate this order, not based on some voodooish assumptions unless whatever universal claim can be backed up with empirical evidence. Or you're expressing an opinion or belief of some sort ?
The purpose of latest tech advances is basically to randomnise outcomes with physical intrusion mid-spin that's legal. How is this supposed order claim possible when such intervention is activated in actual live money play if need be for the operator ?
Does anyone have spins from one of these new devices? I would like to see how much their manipulation affects everything.
QuoteThe purpose of latest tech advances is basically to randomnise outcomes with physical intrusion mid-spin that's legal. How is this supposed order claim possible when such intervention is activated in actual live money play if need be for the operator ?
where can we read about it to see how good it is..thx
RRS is only a problem for VB players.
If your method doesn't rely on AP then a wheel with RRS is as much of a threat as a wheel without. At the end of the day it's all random.
if RRS can be on and of at certain times then means that random stream as whole will be injected with certain numbers and this is not good for the player will be same as hit the number to make person lose so will be totaly random and in other hand too negative for player
They don't have any control over which number is about to be injected in the random flow. If they had, it would be illegal just like the number 22 in Rick's casino.
You can't predict the number that's about to hit? Like you could before!
It' s still random, with or without RRS.
If it injects somekind of a pattern then it can be exploited.
If it removes a pattern where there once was, it's still exploitable. The lack of a pattern is a pattern.
Don't take that last sentence seriously.
Quote“No, it was not the money that I valuedâ€"what I wanted was to make all this mob of Heintzes, hotel proprietors, and fine ladies of Baden talk about me, recount my story, wonder at me, extol my doings, and worship my winnings.â€
― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Gambler
i like this one..hope you read the book
I read it, yes. Things haven't changed much since the 19th century.
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 05, 08:50 AM 2017
If it injects somekind of a pattern then it can be exploited.
If it removes a pattern where there once was, it's still exploitable. The lack of a pattern is a pattern.
I agree!!!
That's why I want to see some spins
There will always be patterns. Especially in the game of roulette where one number has different groups it belongs to!
You can win somewhere
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 05, 08:50 AM 2017
They don't have any control over which number is about to be injected in the random flow. If they had, it would be illegal just like the number 22 in Rick's casino.
You can't predict the number that's about to hit? Like you could before!
It' s still random, with or without RRS.
If it injects somekind of a pattern then it can be exploited.
If it removes a pattern where there once was, it's still exploitable. The lack of a pattern is a pattern.
Problem with this pattern or non-pattern is it's a here and now thing, it's fluid and they change as and when. That's why their operational protocol once known is vulnerable. But it takes a lot of work to map their rotation. Is it worth it ?
Probably less effort than what's required to detect a biased wheel.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 04, 06:34 AM 2017
Dyksexlic...!!
Now, using just one set of 37 RANDOM WORDS would be difficult enough, but supposing we added a 'CONTINUAL' SECOND data stream of random words (composed of the 37 original word 'VOCABULARY' data set) and fed them into a roulette table composed of the FIRST set (to act as our roulette 'SPIN' event) !
Would it be possible for any roulette 'System' to be able to take the SECOND data stream of words and accurately PREDICT the correct relevance of each of the 37 place holders (roulette table bets) BEFORE 1 of the words REPEATS ? - thus ORDERING them into a COHERENT English Sentence that used the 37 WORDS in the CORRECT order.
Now the 'CHANCES' of being able to do this are so high, that no computer in the world could POSSIBLY calculate the odds. If I used a machine to create the second data stream of roulette 'SPIN' words, I could be accused by 'EXPERTS' of cheating. So I thought of a better solution. Supposing I took words (which could be found on the original 37 word roulette (table') from forum posts (in the order they were posted) to act as 'RANDOM' spin events ?
Could anyone then accuse me of cheating ? I didn't choose the 'spin' words myself, did I ?
Hi Mel,
So, I have taken one of your paragraphs with 37 words and rearranged the words while trying to keep the grammar correct -
"I'm telling you that you can create a situation in which you can, using this concept. I'm speaking from experience. Now it's not perfect I play to many numbers for my taste but it can't lose! Mathematically! "
The same words but different sentences -
"I’m not now telling you that I’m perfect, It’s from a mathematically speaking situation. You can taste this numbers experience in which I play, but you can’t create my concept using too many, for it may lose."
So now we have the same 37 words/numbers but different ordering, what is the relevance?
I'm still working on dyksexlic version honestly.
I play a similar idea I created using the theory
Let's say first spin is 21
I enter the number into my sheet and that converts to dynamic stream. Which in turn creates a parallel stream
Now based on my two streams I know exactly where my repeats are.
So what happens more then repeats?
But I can't play just for that I need a combination of it.
So this is where the magic happens! I'm not trying to predict who wins because that would be stupid! I just want to win more then I lose.
Here are my results...
WL25%.....LW 25%
WW 25%
LL 25%
I decided what makes me win and what makes me lose.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 06, 01:20 AM 2017
I enter the number into my sheet and that converts to dynamic stream. Which in turn creates a parallel stream
As I understand, the dynamic stream is the order of winning numbers like this
1st position - most recent winning number
2nd position - 2nd most recent winning number
3rd position - 3rd most recent winning number
and so on
What I do not understand is the term "parallel stream" ?
Quote from: poobear on Nov 05, 07:58 PM 2017
So now we have the same 37 words/numbers but different ordering, what is the relevance?
Interesting poobear. >:D. In the corrected sentence I still see that some of the grammar syntax is still intact. Like “telling you thatâ€, “in whichâ€. One good one is “but you can’t†and “but I can’tâ€. May be that’s of relevance. But you are right, may be one shouldn’t play too many numbers.
Quote from: Priyanka on Nov 06, 06:09 AM 2017
Interesting poobear. >:D. In the corrected sentence I still see that some of the grammar syntax is still intact. Like “telling you thatâ€, “in whichâ€. One good one is “but you can’t†and “but I can’tâ€. May be that’s of relevance. But you are right, may be one shouldn’t play too many numbers.
That's what I was thinking but the amount of numbers was also high with one stream. I didn't try another 🤔
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Nov 06, 04:59 AM 2017
What I do not understand is the term "parallel stream" ?
I shared that already 😩
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 12:26 PM 2017
I think the parallel game has everyone confused.
Here's a tip to solve your problem and the most I think anyone will ever say about this. Everything is being put out there in the open with these next questions!
Do you think playing lines and 6 groups of 6 numbers makes a difference?
How long can the game of roulette go against me if my play is also random?
What if I'm playing more then one game?
The games are separate one has nothing to do with the other. The results are also different and random!
Can roulette beat me? For how long?
Pigeonhole theory says I can't lose no matter the outcome.
Try it so you can see why!
I want to point out again..
The method dyksexlic created and the one I created have some of the same concepts but we play different.
QuoteThey don't have any control over which number is about to be injected in the random flow. If they had, it would be illegal just like the number 22 in Rick's casino.
You can't predict the number that's about to hit? Like you could before!
It' s still random, with or without RRS.
If it injects somekind of a pattern then it can be exploited.
If it removes a pattern where there once was, it's still exploitable. The lack of a pattern is a pattern.
i do not think so...they do control it ....would you lose control of your business...exactly
@Money101 quick question. Do you also use the VdW princeple?
As i understand it correctly you use two streams.
1: The table layout. Let's use double streets. So 6 number groups.
2: Combine it with the cycles and runners idea. Betting on the double street that will hit 3 hits in 13 spins.
3: So as soon as a double street hits 2 times we bet that one.
Note: This alone does not win.
Now we combine it with the new stream. The idea has been posted by rrbb somewhere in thinking outside the box. Using positions of the numbers.
A. We combine the first 18 positions with the other bet. That way we bet less numbers and we may create an edge.
or
B. We play it the same way. With cycles and run to the 3rd hit and only bet on overlapping numbers.
Ofc the casino has control, their multiple tables security surveillance is now done electronically taking over a part of the pitboss traditional function preventing collusion.
Quote from: maestro on Nov 07, 03:23 AM 2017
i do not think so...they do control it ....would you lose control of your business...exactly
Broadly speaking, dealers are SOBs because many of them are skilled enough to deserve the reputation.
But with RRS, they can´t aim at the specific number they´d like to hit. That kind of wheel is an electro-mechanical device that randomly varies the rotor speed with the aid of a microprocessor. Remember it´s not only the speed of the ball that decreases in a "passive" wheel, it´s also the speed of rotor. VB players will lose on a wheel that´s constantly changing its rotor speed. It will mess with their calculations and instincts. But on the other hand, the dealers will not be able to make the ball land on the pockets of their choice.
Quote from: cht on Nov 07, 05:24 AM 2017
Ofc the casino has control, their multiple tables security surveillance is now done electronically taking over a part of the pitboss traditional function preventing collusion.
You can watch a tornado, but you can´t control it. It will go on about its business and you can film it, measure its speed and whatever, but it won´t change a thing.
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 07, 04:44 AM 2017: So as soon as a double street hits 2 times we bet that one.
This is a waiting game and doing a virtual bet. For any of the concepts to have the chance of working, the basic premise is we can’t play a virtual game. We will have to play every spin which is part of what people call a personal permanence.
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 07, 04:44 AM 2017
@Money101 quick question. Do you also use the VdW princeple?
Using positions of the numbers.
A. We combine
B. only bet on overlapping numbers.
Like Pri said no waiting
I personally don't use the vdw concept
Quote from: rrbb on May 30, 12:08 PM 2016
So if we bet on a "number" in the second stream, we actually bet on a position in the dynamic stream. and the position in the dynamic stream is again linked to a roulette number.
But here is the twist: the roulette number that is associated with position in the dynamic number stream varies!!
grts rrbb
Quote from: Priyanka on Nov 06, 06:09 AM 2017
Interesting poobear. >:D. In the corrected sentence I still see that some of the grammar syntax is still intact. Like “telling you thatâ€, “in whichâ€. One good one is “but you can’t†and “but I can’tâ€. May be that’s of relevance. But you are right, may be one shouldn’t play too many numbers.
Pri thank you for that O0
You just helped me see it a little different!
previous results based on my idea
100 spins profit 22-40 units flatbet After pri update
100 spins profit 234 units flatbet
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200 spins profit 522 units flatbet
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Congrats MoneyT u da man, make millions from the dumb casinos. Kaching ! :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Nov 07, 12:01 PM 2017
Congrats MoneyT u da man, make millions from the dumb casinos. Kaching ! :thumbsup:
Thanks I appreciate it. This is my version of it and im fine with it for now. But I would like to honestly Thank pri, reddwarf, dyksexlic and meet one day/pick their brain some :xd:!!! The real masterminds behind this! I will definitely continue to try to learn more and understand how it all works further
I also would like to thank the members behind the scene who kept pushing me to continue searching. I gave up so many times. Even you 3nine!
Whats crazy is that it makes sense and logic. Running around like a chicken with no head trying to find it and the answer was always there.
anyway apply what i posted in this thread with the other thread(first post0. read pri tips in this thread. I cant share more information then that what i posted.
trust me i said and painted a better picture then what i had to go through to find.
This place is a forum for sharing ideas or is it a place to play jigsaw puzzles? Sometimes these threads remind me the movie "Clue" ... So let's talking by codes all the time?
If you have any ideas to share, make it clear. No one here can stand anymore trying to decipher codes.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 07, 05:27 PM 2017puzzles
Did you tried to understand "birthday paradox"?
Did you studied "excel" or "rx" coding?
How many math problems have you solved using Pigeonhole principle?
How many times you read all pages of "random thoughts" topic?
How many hours you have spent with this topic?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 07, 05:27 PM 2017
This place is a forum for sharing ideas or is it a place to play jigsaw puzzles? Sometimes these threads remind me the movie "Clue" ... So let's talking by codes all the time?
If you have any ideas to share, make it clear. No one here can stand anymore trying to decipher codes.
If playing casino games makes a big impact on your income or net worth then you tend to be more secretive.
There're plenty of baiters that frequent forums for various reasons eg. scam, attention seekers...... regularly dish out 'Guess the grail' posts.
Casino games is fun & entertainment to me, just enjoy the intellectual challenge also to learn about the latest industry development. That's why I share so many excel sheets on here, no need for secrets. Casino games make casinos rich, not make gamblers rich. Don't get it wrong. :xd:
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 07, 11:13 AM 2017
I forgot to add the interesting thing....
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Agreed. The LW flow looks pretty random as usual. It´s useless if we don´t know the betting ratios.
Something like this:
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If it´s a 1:2 bet, such as on a single dozen, it will go +2, -1, 0, +2
If it´s a 2:1 bet, such as on double dozens, it will go +1, -1, -3, -2
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 08, 03:57 AM 2017
Agreed. The LW flow looks pretty random as usual. It´s useless if we don´t know the betting ratios.
Something like this:
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If it´s a 1:2 bet, such as on a single dozen, it will go +2, -1, 0, +2
If it´s a 2:1 bet, such as on double dozens, it will go +1, -1, -3, -2
And if its bet on straights?
Also, first he mentioned about 28 possibilitys to win and 9 to loose and then he reduced betting amount , obtaining higher winrate.
Betting on a single straight, a win covers 36 losses.
QuoteLoss 104
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I honestly have no idea how that 522 profit came up flatbet. The ratios must be changing during play.
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 08, 04:58 AM 2017
Betting on a single straight, a win covers 36 losses.
I honestly have no idea how that 522 profit came up flatbet. The ratios must be changing during play.
For that kind of profit, it's betting 4-5numbers on average for 1:7 odds with winrate of 50% that's way better than steve's $80k hybrid rc. :thumbsup:
If true that´s one devil of a bet selection.
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 08, 04:58 AM 2017
Betting on a single straight, a win covers 36 losses.
I honestly have no idea how that 522 profit came up flatbet. The ratios must be changing during play.
I am betting on straights
Some straights get more units then others
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I am betting on straights
Some straights get more units then others
You mean you bet on more than one straight at a time, and on some you bet more than one unit? That´s not exactly flatbet. But whatever, if it wins!
Now SHARE ;D
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 08, 06:16 AM 2017
You mean you bet on more than one straight at a time, and on some you bet more than one unit? That´s not exactly flatbet. But whatever, if it wins!
Now SHARE ;D
To give you an idea, Let's say I'm betting 10 numbers
2 might have +3
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Flatbet cause my amount stays the same just when I win I might win higher
I have no more info to share....
Thanks :thumbsup:
One more thing: posting one winning session is fine and all, but are you claiming to have found a theoretical (at least) holy grail?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 08, 06:33 AM 2017
To give you an idea, Let's say I'm betting 10 numbers
2 might have +3
3 might have +2
5 might have +1
Flatbet cause my amount stays the same just when I win I might win higher
I have no more info to share....
It is a very interesting discussion MoneyT101, thanks for sharing.
In fact I am studying and trying to improve my own method that it is based on the same concept, betting on different numbers with different betting, but not betting straight but on quads. I am trying to apply this concept together with the idea of the "repeaters" and not yet found a good solution, still work in progress :thumbsup:
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Thanks :thumbsup:
One more thing: posting one winning session is fine and all, but are you claiming to have found a theoretical (at least) holy grail?
I'm not claiming anything really.
Cycles show the information stays close to the stats no matter how many sessions you do. It's all based on math.
So whether I show 1 session 10 sessions 100000. The information will be about the same give or take a few
100 spins +200
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500 spins +1000
I showed 100 and then added another 100 to make 200 spins
First session was about 230
Second got it to +500
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Close to even it is. 104/96
Look at the profit +500
Can it lose some more and still be in the plus?
With the example I gave of 10 numbers
How much I lose and what are the possible wins?
-20 loss
36 win minimum
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108 win
I have said enough guys! Everything is here. If you figure it out, keep in mind this is not a gift for you to share!
It took a lot of work! It should be appreciated! I have nothing more to say about this topic. Good luck!
bump :)
Luck of the Irish.
Go to GF-forum and look in cracking the riddles.
look at 39 spins.
What is the GF-forum? I am interested to read more.
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