The best way to sum up the logic behind these facts is by saying that the roulette ball has no memory.
However this fact does not stop from insisting on betting on cold numbers which haven’t hit for a while or hot numbers which have accidentally happen few times in the row. The thought process behind this is that since this number hasn’t hit lately. The cold number is more likely to hit on future spins or if the number has been hit few times in the row the hot roulette wheel has a memory and will pick the hot number again.
This, of course, is a fallacy, as it could be a very long time before these cold or hot numbers hit, just as they could conceivably hit 10 of the next 30 spins. You could be broke long before any of these cold or hot numbers finally get around to being the winning number. Even the best bankroll management technique will not save you from losing all your money if you believe in this roulette myth.
So whats left to play?
Interestingly, for me still the difficulty remains as to identify hot numbers and play for them.
But one thing I know is that ,cold numbers are almost never able to catch up ultra hot numbers.
As I wrote today in another thread, the tests even showed it, the worst bet is the ultra cold bet.
I've been talking to a colleague. A respected math teacher in my town and a roulette enthusiast. He told me that he studied roulette for several years. He made a lot of money and lost a lot of money. He studied all the strategies, systems, and possibilities. The conclusion he got is that players should bet for fun. You can make some money in the short term, but probably when you return to the casino, sooner or later you will lose what you have won. He says players go in circles trying to get an edge with the same old approaches that have been tested for decades. By the end, he explained to me that the only way to beat roulette is by predicting the sectors of the wheel. Bet on the wheel and play for fun without expecting to get "rich".
The only way to make lots of money on roulette is the luck factor and you already have lots of money to take the risk. Only those who have lots of money will make lots of money. If you bet 30.000 on a single number and it hit, you'll be a millionaire.
Saying that all the strategies have already been tested by someone is nonsense.
No one is ever able to check all the concepts, if he says he did it, he has a closed mind. And is not open to new possibilities.
Only you think that people are not able inventing new concepts here, it is little bit kindergarten, real big thinkers, they are on forums about forex and finnacial markets, there are some first-league guys, sometimes their ideas are so advanced, that knocks me down.
hot numbers is difficult to determined because it always change time after time..
for example, #22 is the top hot number in 500spins. but sometimes if you track the last 37spins it even didn't came out, sometimes it appear only once, and sometimes it appear more than once. it was unpredictable.. people who win in roulette they can predict the future or maybe you can ask he/she about your future based on your life history #LOL..
even if we play sector bet like slicing the wheel into 4part.
Part A : 32-34
Part B : 6-10
Part C : 5-9
Part D : 22-26
(i always use this method, i dont care about number, i care about sector).
Quote from: Madi on Nov 29, 05:25 PM 2017
So whats left to play?
Instead of hot or cold ... play on average numbers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 29, 06:47 PM 2017
I've been talking to a colleague. A respected math teacher in my town and a roulette enthusiast. He told me that he studied roulette for several years. He made a lot of money and lost a lot of money. He studied all the strategies, systems, and possibilities. The conclusion he got is that players should bet for fun. You can make some money in the short term, but probably when you return to the casino, sooner or later you will lose what you have won. He says players go in circles trying to get an edge with the same old approaches that have been tested for decades. By the end, he explained to me that the only way to beat roulette is by predicting the sectors of the wheel. Bet on the wheel and play for fun without expecting to get "rich".
The only way to make lots of money on roulette is the luck factor and you already have lots of money to take the risk. Only those who have lots of money will make lots of money. If you bet 30.000 on a single number and it hit, you'll be a millionaire.
I dunno but I have strong feeling that your colleague is a very wise man :)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 30, 04:13 AM 2017
Instead of hot or cold ... play on average numbers
Average comes from where? Definitely from cold.
Quote from: Madi on Nov 30, 05:13 AM 2017
Average comes from where? Definitely from cold.
Represent 100 consecutive spins in a chart, you will see hot, cold and average.
Don't bet neither on hot nor or cold.
Bet on average you will hit some
Ye right. When you play first spin u wont get any average. What u r playing is cold. The numbers u bet at first spin may not show in last 50 spin.
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Nov 29, 09:55 PM 2017
hot numbers is difficult to determined because it always change time after time..
for example, #22 is the top hot number in 500spins. but sometimes if you track the last 37spins it even didn't came out, sometimes it appear only once, and sometimes it appear more than once. it was unpredictable.. people who win in roulette they can predict the future or maybe you can ask he/she about your future based on your life history #LOL..
even if we play sector bet like slicing the wheel into 4part.
Part A : 32-34
Part B : 6-10
Part C : 5-9
Part D : 22-26
(i always use this method, i dont care about number, i care about sector).
Ok.... And how do you play sectors roulette ... Give an example
Thanks
Trace back everything that happens in a spin from the winning number to ball release, and other spins.
Very carefully and thoroughly test each part, and find which part is random or not. Dont assume all wheels and conditions are the same.
If any part of the chain is unpredictable, the odds don't change. Its a 0 in the equation.
You'll be surprised. Spins from most wheels are far from random.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 30, 07:37 AM 2017
Trace back everything that happens in a spin from the winning number to ball release, and other spins.
Very carefully and thoroughly test each part, and find which part is random or not. Dont assume all wheels and conditions are the same.
If any part of the chain is unpredictable, the odds don't change. Its a 0 in the equation.
You'll be surprised. Spins from most wheels are far from random.
That reminds me of someone who wanted to take luck out of gambling - he ended searching for period of
Non randomness inside random sequences
As most of the players in this forum already know, I am a hit and run player. I only make one single bet per day. I cover 32 numbers and leave one sector (5 numbers) uncovered. I wait this sector hit 4 times and then I place the bet. This strategy can take about 4 hours of my time, however I am having good profits and rare losses. I've tested more than a million spins on RX and it's very difficult the same sector hit more than 5 times. Many players will say it does not work and this is a waiting game, but it's working for me.
Quote from: ozon on Nov 29, 07:08 PM 2017
Saying that all the strategies have already been tested by someone is nonsense.
No one is ever able to check all the concepts, if he says he did it, he has a closed mind. And is not open to new possibilities.
Only you think that people are not able inventing new concepts here, it is little bit kindergarten, real big thinkers, they are on forums about forex and finnacial markets, there are some first-league guys, sometimes their ideas are so advanced, that knocks me down.
And they wouldn't be hanging around this sham site with the owner lounging around in his underwear hoping for one of his minions (forum member) to magically actualize an hg for him.
Oooops. I guess I'm the idiot.
Quote from: Moxy on Nov 30, 01:06 PM 2017
And they wouldn't be hanging around this sham site with the owner lounging around in his underwear hoping for one of his minions (forum member) to magically actualize an hg for him.
If this is such a "sham site" (your words), then why do you keep posting here ?
Isn't it irrational on your part to waste your time doing so?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Nov 30, 04:38 PM 2017
If this is such a "sham site" (your words), then why do you keep posting here ?
Isn't it irrational on your part to waste your time doing so?
What I meant to say was "wacky" but I couldn't edit anymore.
"It's ALL about where the ball lands."
Quote from: iar000 on Nov 30, 07:08 AM 2017
Ok.... And how do you play sectors roulette ... Give an example
Thanks
There is a time when 1sector will sleep.. let it sleep tight.. do not try to wake it up or hope it wake up in certain spin or you'll get busted. Once it feel enough and wake up, you'll amaze.. sometimes it getting wild than before after enough sleep.
Need patient, but it worth.
Make your own progression, only 9numbers. 1win can recoup 3loss.
And DO NOT TRY TO WAKE ANYTHING UP. LET IT SLEEP TIGHT.
Nb : i've seen 1sector sleep for 27spins live casino online roulette.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 01, 12:41 AM 2017
"It's ALL about where the ball lands."
Indeed, It's all about where the dealer's BALLs land ;)
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Dec 01, 03:05 AM 2017
There is a time when 1sector will sleep.. let it sleep tight.. do not try to wake it up or hope it wake up in certain spin or you'll get busted. Once it feel enough and wake up, you'll amaze.. sometimes it getting wild than before after enough sleep.
Need patient, but it worth.
Make your own progression, only 9numbers. 1win can recoup 3loss.
And DO NOT TRY TO WAKE ANYTHING UP. LET IT SLEEP TIGHT.
Nb : i've seen 1sector sleep for 27spins live casino online roulette.
That's no different to a typical losing system. Proper sector betting has nothing to do with hot or sleeping sectors (unless there's bias). It has to do with observing cause and effect to predict winning sectors.
Quote from: Moxy on Nov 30, 01:06 PM 2017
And they wouldn't be hanging around this sham site with the owner lounging around in his underwear hoping for one of his minions (forum member) to magically actualize an hg for him.
Oooops. I guess I'm the idiot.
Moxy, you've had your say, as stupid as it was. And I responded. Now please let the matter rest. What you are doing now is trolling.
So please, can you move on now?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 01, 03:54 AM 2017
Indeed, It's all about where the dealer's BALLs land ;)
The table where I usually play has always woman not man as dealer - so what balls do you mean ?
:)
Why are you replying to your own qoutes?
because I never thought there are in world gamblers who are also grumblers!!!
Whatever you say, schizo. ::)
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 01, 10:40 AM 2017
Whatever you say, schizo. ::)
you ?
You sure still waiting the HG to be presented here on forum.
You will wait long... very long
I don't care about the zero. I see it as any other roulette number.
I make my own game, I make my own rules...
If you bet on fear, do not bet. Show who's the boss!
I control the game, the game does not control me. I impose order on chaos...
All you need is ONE spin. Leave the rest to the losers ...
I've been looking for your betselection Andre Chass, but can't find it. Was it that you put one single chip on every number except 5,8,10,23? But you wait for 4 consecutive misses first? Can you confirm? Thanks!
Quote from: boyd30 on Dec 03, 03:34 AM 2017
I've been looking for your betselection Andre Chass, but can't find it. Was it that you put one single chip on every number except 5,8,10,23? But you wait for 4 consecutive misses first? Can you confirm? Thanks!
Hey buddy,
Slice the wheel into 8 sectors of 5 numbers.
Wait for the ball to hit one of the sectors for 4 times in a row (4 losses).
Tracking 8 tables at the same time. When you see a table with a sector hit 3 times, enter the table and be prepared to cover 32 numbers and leave the sector (5 numbers) uncovered.
Use the "favorite bets" to have time to place the bet.
The ball hit the same sector 5 times in a row is a very rare event.
Don't forget, only one bet a day.
Actually I make 300 a single bet.
All you need is one spin!
PS: If you don't have time and large bankroll, forget it.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 04, 07:45 PM 2017
Hey buddy,
Slice the wheel into 8 sectors of 5 numbers.
Wait for the ball to hit one of the sectors for 4 times in a row (4 losses).
Tracking 8 tables at the same time. When you see a table with a sector hit 3 times, enter the table and be prepared to cover 32 numbers and leave the sector (5 numbers) uncovered.
Use the "favorite bets" to have time to place the bet.
The ball hit the same sector 5 times in a row is a very rare event.
Don't forget, only one bet a day.
Actually I make 300 a single bet.
All you need is one spin!
Which is the casinosite you play at? Finding 8 tables is not that easy. But it makes it of course much less waiting time.
Quote from: boyd30 on Dec 05, 04:06 PM 2017
Which is the casinosite you play at? Finding 8 tables is not that easy. But it makes it of course much less waiting time.
Try DublinBet
More than 5 hours looking at the screen waiting for the trigger but it doesn't come. What a hard work!!!
Lonely is the Gambler...
How long did you wait? For me a long waiting time makes it too hard choosing this kind of play.
the Hunter endlessly waiting
:)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 09, 02:37 PM 2017
More than 5 hours looking at the screen waiting for the trigger but it doesn't come. What a hard work!!!
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16250.0
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 10, 05:53 AM 2017
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16250.0
Do not trust in all what the "hot numbers" boy says. He became a millionaire by betting on hot numbers... lol.
I tested my strategy n a million of spins and it's working for me. What I use to bet is not voodoo. I watch the wheels and I use the statistic and data before to start betting.
I win a lot more than I lose using this strategy.
The fact that I bet on just one spin is because it takes a lot of my time. But I could stay 24 hours a day, 7 days a week without leaving the casino.
Quote from: boyd30 on Dec 10, 02:26 AM 2017
How long did you wait? For me a long waiting time makes it too hard choosing this kind of play.
"PS: If you don't have time and large bankroll, forget it."
Did you read what I said?
When I tell people exactly what's involved as a professional player, they are discouraged because they expect to begin play within 5 minutes of entering the casino, without any work or thought.
For example, when I tell a player it may take hours to fully evaluate a wheel for the strategy, they consider it too long. But they'll spend a whole day at their job working for peanuts.
Triggers can work if you exploit a rare event, using statistics and evaluating the data.
For example, I know that zero hit four times in a row is a very rare event and I can use this data as a trigger.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 10, 11:20 AM 2017But I could stay 24 hours a day, 7 days a week without leaving the casino.
Well, you can't, unless you hire few players to do the work with you O0
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 10, 12:12 PM 2017
Triggers can work if you exploit a rare event, using statistics and evaluating the data.
For example, I know that zero hit four times in a row is a very rare event and I can use this data as a trigger.
So 11, 35, 17 and 3 comes up in four spins. Why don't you use that as a trigger? That event is exactly as rare as seeing one number four times in a row.
If you make a simulation that takes four random number and run how many times this event comes, then make a simulation where you take one number and see how many times they come in one million spins, what do you think the result would be?
"Most of the time people try to sabotage a method or strategy stating its a failure. Don't get dragged into it."
Test your strategy thousands of times, again, again and again, and get your own conclusions.
You call yourself a professional player and yet you don't understand basic probability.
Whatever amount you bet on that ultimate trigger will make no difference in long term with the system of yours. You will lose it all and more.
I hope people dont pay to much attention to you.
Good luck with your triggers.
Ohh, you got me. I'm a scammer, I confess. I'm a stupid and innocent 47 years old guy.
Profit $23.600
Losses $2.400
Real money
Swallow it!
You're just another TG toady.
Go play your crap f**** hot numbers system.
Cmon, who are you to judge my strategy? I think you're just another poor loser with no money to bet.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 11, 12:26 AM 2017
Ohh, you got me. I'm a scammer, I confess. I'm a stupid and innocent 47 years old guy.
Profit $23.600
Losses $2.400
Real money
Swallow it!
You're just another TG toady.
Go play your crap f**** hot numbers system.
Cmon, who are you to judge my strategy? I think you're just another poor loser with no money to bet.
Good job but have you ever tried to withdraw that money?
you might be surprised!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 11, 02:48 AM 2017
Good job but have you ever tried to withdraw that money?
you might be surprised!
Yes, I do it regularly.
Thanks
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 29, 05:17 PM 2017
The best way to sum up the logic behind these facts is by saying that the roulette ball has no memory.
However this fact does not stop from insisting on betting on cold numbers which haven’t hit for a while or hot numbers which have accidentally happen few times in the row. The thought process behind this is that since this number hasn’t hit lately. The cold number is more likely to hit on future spins or if the number has been hit few times in the row the hot roulette wheel has a memory and will pick the hot number again.
This, of course, is a fallacy, as it could be a very long time before these cold or hot numbers hit, just as they could conceivably hit 10 of the next 30 spins. You could be broke long before any of these cold or hot numbers finally get around to being the winning number. Even the best bankroll management technique will not save you from losing all your money if you believe in this roulette myth.
I used to think it was a fallacy too, but after 2 years I found out something about long term and short term:
Short term: hot is more prevalent, hence 37 spins is never 37 unique numbers - most numbers would have repeated once or more.
Long term: cold is more prevalent in terms of playing catch-up due to the law of large numbers
For example let's say dozen 1 appears once, dozen 1 then has more chance of reaching 4 repeats instead of 3 repeats compared to dozen 2 and 3. Also, it has more chance of being in the lead after, say, 4 spins compared to the other dozens. If dozen 1 comes two times in a row then it has even more chance of getting to 3 repeats compared to the rest and can run a longer race and still be in the lead when given such a booster.
Now here's a bombshell: Let's say dozens 2 and 3 team up to form the 66% team against dozen 1. If dozen 1 appears 2 times in a row, it can still beat the 66% team even at 4,5,6... possibly even at the 10 repeat mark or 10 spin mark!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 11, 12:26 AM 2017
You're just another TG toady.
TG kicks you and your retarted system any day of the week. What makes you a pro all of a sudden? Your a joke. Enjoy your trigger while it lasts ::)
The roocky gonna teach us? Yeah right
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 11, 12:26 AM 2017
Ohh, you got me. I confess. I'm a stupid 47 years old guy.
Swallow it!
Bingooooo :thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 11, 12:26 AM 2017
Ohh, you got me. I'm a scammer, I confess. I'm a stupid and innocent 47 years old guy.
Profit $23.600
Losses $2.400
Real money
Swallow it!
Andre,
Just ignore all these doubters and naysayers.
Let them try to put you down by making all sorts of sarcastic and snide remarks -- you just keep doing what you are doing.
As long as this method makes your bank roll grow, stick with it.
That's all that matters.
And if you are really into getting more respect from the fellow members of this forum, ask Steve to change your username from
Andre Chass to something, like, say,
DynamoGenius.
Or some other similar name -- just make sure that the word,
"Genius" is part of your new username. Many people seem to fall for it (as you very well know from being a member of this forum).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 16, 11:56 PM 2017
Andre,
Just ignore all these doubters and naysayers.
Let them try to put you down by making all sorts of sarcastic and snide remarks -- you just keep doing what you are doing.
As long as this method makes your bank roll grow, stick with it.
That's all that matters.
And if you are really into getting more respect from the fellow members of this forum, ask Steve to change your username from
Andre Chass to something, like, say, DynamoGenius.
Or some other similar name -- just make sure that the word, "Genius" is part of your new username. Many people seem to fall for it (as you very well know from being a member of this forum).
You make it sound like we have something against him just because his bet selection is crap. When I say he's going to lose the money sooner or later, it doesen't mean I don't want him to lose the money, but to save it because the way he plays have already been tested and
does not work. I know that without knowing the details of his system. Anyone can make that kind of money when gambling.
I don't understand why you people don't take the time to read more from people that have more experience then you and make some reasearch. The effect of that is that this forum mostly discuss the same thing year after year that has already been tested to death. It's an endless cycle.
Personally, I played in the beginning EC, dozens, columns and corners like everyone else, but thankfully I didn't loose alot of money because I read what others have done in the past and I also code the ideas I had and have for long term simulations.
I respect TG and some others at GF, because I
accept the fact that they know more about this game and have
more experince about casino life then I do.
If people that are going to spend alot of time on this game at least can use
some of the time to look at other directions that goes against their beliefs, then maybe this forum will not just involve outside bets that includes waiting and triggers like it has latley.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 17, 12:19 PM 2017
but to save it because the way he plays have already been tested and does not work.
I understand that your experience has shown that Andre's methods do not work -- and hence your comment that you made above.
That's fine.
I do a lot of paper testing with my collection of over 5,000 airball and dealer spins (that I have collected from various US casinos since early 2014) -- in fact, it is a mini-hobby of mine.
My testing has shown that Turbo's hot number method
ALSO does
NOT work on a consistent basis (it mostly loses and loses big).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 16, 11:56 PM 2017
Andre,
Just ignore all these doubters and naysayers.
Let them try to put you down by making all sorts of sarcastic and snide remarks -- you just keep doing what you are doing.
As long as this method makes your bank roll grow, stick with it.
That's all that matters.
And if you are really into getting more respect from the fellow members of this forum, ask Steve to change your username from
Andre Chass to something, like, say, DynamoGenius.
Or some other similar name -- just make sure that the word, "Genius" is part of your new username. Many people seem to fall for it (as you very well know from being a member of this forum).
Thanks for the support,, my friend!
Quote from: denzie on Dec 16, 05:56 PM 2017
TG kicks you and your retarted system any day of the week. What makes you a pro all of a sudden? Your a joke. Enjoy your trigger while it lasts ::)
The roocky gonna teach us? Yeah right
It seems like you feel good putting people down, humiliating people just like you did to me.
I never disrespected you with rude words and I expected the same attitude from you. But you take it personally.
I dont know why you want to see me fail and lose everything.
If you or someone here doesnt like my playing method and thinks it doent work, just say: "Hey man, this is not going to work! I'll show you why your method will not work!" And I'll be all ears.
But instead, It seems more fun to attack and insult me.
I respect you and I will always respect you because I know that you are a really nice guy.
I love the Belgian people! My respect!
Your country also produces the best beers and maybe one day we can have a beer together and talk about roulette.
I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
I wish this to everyone in this forum!
Thanks to all my new friends who have been teaching me how to be a better player!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 11, 12:26 AM 2017
Ohh, you got me. I'm a scammer, I confess. I'm a stupid and innocent 47 years old guy.
Profit $23.600
Losses $2.400
Real money
Swallow it!
You're just another TG toady.
Go play your crap f**** hot numbers system.
Cmon, who are you to judge my strategy? I think you're just another poor loser with no money to bet.
Andre, when you react with this type of response you are throwing a wide net of insult that will catch many forum members, so you should expect some of them will respond in like kind and be insulting toward you.
If you can't take it then don't dish it out and we'll all get along just fine.