Track spins until you get 12 unique numbers. If a number repeats, just count it once, you are looking for 12 different numbers.
After you get your 12 numbers, bet them for four spins only using this progression: 1,1,2,3.
PS: Try tracking until you get 8 unique numbers too. It's another way to play this method.
The system allows for two repeats in your 12 number tracking stage, and then once you get your 12 numbers there is a 4 progression betting stage (which could easily be lengthened to 6 or 8 stages but it is not necessary). It breaks down like this: The tracking stage allows for no less than 10 unique numbers in 12 spins(remember if you have 3 repeats in this stage you must start over). You would then have to have 4 more unique numbers to lose the betting stage. That means that you would have to have 14-16 different numbers show in 16 spins to lose the cycle. You could extend the progression to 6 stages but I like to keep it at 4 so if you do blow it, you can easily recover and the odds are still really good. In terms of a 37 spin cycle, you would need 31-37 different numbers to show to lose overall. We know that on average 24-28 numbers show in 37 spins.
Numbers performing more than expectation is named hot number.
Someone said.
Hot numbers are bullshit.
U said
But I said once that I like to have fun playing it.
Hi everyone,
I play live roulette and I only have 20 seconds to place the bet of 12 numbers. Sometimes I can't place all the numbers because of it. I'd like to know if anyone knows where I can find a bot.
Thanks in advance!
The method is working great!
I did 4 cycles using a different progression: 1,2,3,4. Total profit: 96 units.
No losses yet using this progression.
I waited for 12 uniques (only 1 repeats) and bet them using the progression above.
I accept suggestions to improve the method.
I'm trying to figure out the best progression. There are a few ways:
Safe mode 1,1,2,3
Mild mode 1,2,3,4
Agressive mode 1,2,3,4,...,...,...,...
Using agressive mode is necessary a large bankroll but rarely we will have losses.
TwoCatSam did somewhat similiar to this if I understand your explanation correctly.
He did a 1.8 million spin test.
Here it is if you're intrested:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9886.msg88019#msg88019
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 29, 12:12 PM 2017
TwoCatSam did somewhat similiar to this if I understand your explanation correctly.
He did a 1.8 million spin test.
Here it is if you're intrested:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9886.msg88019#msg88019
It's pretty similar!
I think it is practically the same method using agressive progression.
Thanks!
I have to place the 12 numbers quickly, so I need a bot. Does anyone know where I can find it?
I need some help here, please.
I also need someone who can create a bot for NET ENT software casinos rng.
It must simply read numbers and alerts when certain situation happens.
Hi Andre,
Merry Christmas
you can use the GUT tracker & clicker it would work perfect for your method :)
:thumbsup:
Quote from: 777 on Dec 29, 03:13 PM 2017
Hi Andre,
Merry Christmas
you can use the GUT tracker & clicker it would work perfect for your method :)
:thumbsup:
Hi 777
Merry Christmas to you too!
Where can I find it?
I need something similar like it: link:s://youtu.be/xTK9UosVyOE
The link is broken.
Placing bet on 12 number in 20sec do u need a bot? Is ur system still in fun play or u get serious??
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 04:50 PM 2017
Placing bet on 12 number in 20sec do u need a bot? Is ur system still in fun play or u get serious??
Sometimes I lose one or two numbers because the table allow only 20 seconds.
I've been betting real money since I start playing this method.
I know that nobody give it a crap. But I like to talk about it.
I just made 386 units of profit (real money) in about one hour.
I used aggressive progression 1,2,3,4,6,9
Andre
you're now showing a 6 step prog to win on the 12 remaining non-hit from a starting 37 non-hit #'s.
Here is 697 airball games. It shows how many spins it can take to get a win, 22 spins are shown, but the max to find was once 27 spins.
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Going to a 6th spin on betting has won 625 of the 697 games, you lose on 72 games.
Had a similar idea about waiting for 7-10ish unique spins & then bet the next 5-10 spins hoping for a repeat. Purely theoretical, but i did go thu spins on paper. Troubles was those pesky long streaks of 15-25 (or worse) uniques you could run into could eat the bankroll.
Then got the idea combine the theory with betting 5 lines at the same time. Again totally theory and hasnt been tested. Eks: after 10 unique spins, bet 1 units flatbet for 10 times on the 10 unique numbers while betting 10 units on each line 1-5 (as line 6 appear to be the coldest judged from the 10 unique).
Alt version: after 7 unique put 1 unit on the 7 numbers and 7 units on 5 lines each. Ever spin from now on put 1 unit on the new number (if not a win) and 1 units on each of the 5 lines. Until spin 12 is reached, then reset.
Also thought of "half price on the lines" versions as if you select a large enough both numbers & bets you quite often get 2 or 3 repeats. Hadnt thought of just the up tp 4 spins with progression.
Of cause the danger of the 5 lines loosing has kept me from testing it on a real wheel.
Hey Andre,
thx for sharing this, it looks very interesting selection.
i am testing it, i used in the past to bet 22 numbers "on the fly" within 20 seconds.
i did that by using a software that reads the numbers for me, so i was just listening the numbers and placing the bet accordingly- this is minimized the time it takes to read and place the bet, the concentration was entirely on the sound i hear from the software
ID NUM
----- ----------
180 23
181 9
182 35
183 27
184 15
185 4
186 17
187 4
188 1
189 16
190 17
191 18
192 4
193 24
------------------
194 31
195 34
196 26
197 32
198 5
199 34
200 6
Well, it lost!
the sequence from 180 -193 represent a 12 unique numbers
None of the numbers from the sequence appeared in the next 7 spins!!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 30, 07:29 AM 2017
SPIN NUM
----- ----------
180 23
181 9
182 35
183 27
184 15
185 4
186 17
187 4
188 1
189 16
190 17
191 18
192 4
193 24
------------------
194 31
195 34
196 26
197 32
198 5
199 34
200 6
Well, it lost!
the sequence from 180 -193 represent a 12 unique numbers
None of the numbers from the sequence appeared in the next 7 spins!!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 30, 07:29 AM 2017
ID NUM
----- ----------
180 23
181 9
182 35
183 27
184 15
185 4
186 17
187 4
188 1
189 16
190 17
191 18
192 4
193 24
------------------
194 31
195 34
196 26
197 32
198 5
199 34
200 6
Well, it lost!
the sequence from 180 -193 represent a 12 unique numbers
None of the numbers from the sequence appeared in the next 7 spins!!
Of course it lost! You played it totally wrong.
You have to wait for 12 UNIQUE numbers.
There are 4-4-4 and 7-7 in your selection.
If a number appears 3 times you have to start over. The method allows only one repeat.
It is funny! Every time I share a method, you come here and say that it don't work.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 27, 03:04 PM 2017
Track spins until you get 12 unique numbers. If a number repeats, just count it once, you are looking for 12 different numbers.
After you get your 12 numbers, bet them for four spins only using this progression: 1,1,2,3.
Hey,
didnt you say if number repeats, count it once?
if you look at the sequence above you see i counted the duplicates only once and considered the 12 distinct numbers...
what i did wrong??!!!
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 30, 02:22 AM 2017
Andre
Going to a 6th spin on betting has won 625 of the 697 games, you lose on 72 games.
That's good news!
I'm thinking in extend the progression to 8 steps.
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Andre here are 15 games, 1 a day going to build to 100 games for their averages.
As you can see the 25 unique is in and so far the 26th non-hit has not gone beyond 8 spins.
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Andre here the 15 games as they came. The interesting part is the 1st 10 spins. Theres been 4 games of 10/10, and only lost twice as on the 11th spin the previous 10 repeat.
Wally Gator might have more on a repeat in 1st 10 spins.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 30, 01:25 PM 2017
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Andre here the 15 games as they came. The interesting part is the 1st 10 spins. Theres been 4 games of 10/10, and only lost twice as on the 11th spin the previous 10 repeat.
Wally Gator might have more on a repeat in 1st 10 spins.
Notto, I'm trying to understand what you mean but it's hard.
Can you give me a clear example, please?
I can't understand which are the results waiting 12 Uniques and betting then for 8 steps progression.
Ok from the 1st cell
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1st cell is date of game, next is how many of the starting 37 came in 1st 10 spins shaded in red.
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Again shaded in red is the 9th unique which took 1 spin,
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now you see the 25th unique has come leaving 12 uniques remaining shaded yellow and the 12 unique in this game took 8 spins.
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at the end of the line to the right is how many non-hit came in spins 11-40, answer 14 unique hit shaded light green. You can see this the blue line, if the 1st 10 spins gave 8 and the 9th took 1 spin.
the 1st 10 spins +1,1,4,1,2,1,1,2,1,3,2,3,1,1,= 34 spins the next non-hit takes 8 spins which would have us at 42 spins, so in spins 11-40 only 14 uniques came
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all the above is on here
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1st 10 spins is 8/10
spin 40, 22 unique have hit. Take the 8 from 1st 10 spins away fron the 22 unique, shows only 14 uniques came in spins 11-40, the average is 15.8
Andre at spin 47 you'd start betting the remaining 12 unique and spin 54, 8 spins later you win with the 8 step prog you say you are going to extend to
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 30, 02:22 AM 2017
Andre
you're now showing a 6 step prog to win on the 12 remaining non-hit from a starting 37 non-hit #'s.
Here is 697 airball games. It shows how many spins it can take to get a win, 22 spins are shown, but the max to find was once 27 spins.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/12/30/temp_156082.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/oUia)
Going to a 6th spin on betting has won 625 of the 697 games, you lose on 72 games.
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Remember getting the 26th unique has taken 27 spins once i only show 22 spins max
Notto,
Now I understand!
It seems the method works great!
What do you think about the method?
I know you have a lot of experience about this kind of playing.
What do you think about 8 step progression?
Thank you again!
The system is not a HG but using a progression of 8 or 10 steps it gets close.
I did 4 cycles using a progression of 8 steps and I didn't have a loss.
I waited for 12 uniques with no repeats and bet them.
The system works fine playing HAR style.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 30, 02:36 PM 2017What do you think about the method? Its ok.
I know you have a lot of experience about this kind of playing.
What do you think about 8 step progression? On FOBT can only get 9 steps
Wally Gator Fixed Odds Betting Terminal (FOBT)
Andre heres morts #'s, wait for 12 unique :thumbsup:
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Andre
When you arrive at the table or about to start to play on-line, is there anything DUE.
Your answer is yes, the math experts have told you what’s due. The answer all 37 numbers on the wheel are now due to hit in 37 spins.
I know and you know and the Maestro plus expert Steve know this will not happen. But, here is, the but, over those 37 spins, X number will hit.
A lot is posted on 37 spins letting you know how many are likely to hit.
So I not being a math expert use 40 spin.
I know on airball wheel J247 that spins 11-40 gives 15.8 non-hit #’s.
Look in testing zone 100 days of Morts games its average for spins 11-40 gives 15.42 non-hit #’s.
Even on the FOBT spins 11-40 gives 15.78043231 non-hit #’s.
So how do you use this? Easy you collect each non-hits number of spins to hit, I start at 5th unique, from this you can find average to hit, their max spins to hit, and like the remaining 12 unique that has taken 27 spins once.
There’s more but you can see the avg for spins 11-40. What about 60 spins, I know its avg.
SPIN NUM
---- ----------
20 31 -- Start Sequence
21 8
22 24
23 13
24 2
25 1
26 1
27 6
28 32
29 12
30 17
31 22
32 7 -- End sequence
33 18 MISS
34 34 MISS
35 30 MISS
36 30 MISS
37 25 MISS
38 33 MISS
39 2 HIT
40 2
Hi Notto,
great sheet! do you have one with bigger data?
Happy New Year!!!
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 31, 05:16 AM 2017
the math experts have told you what’s due. The answer all 37 numbers on the wheel are now due to hit in 37 spins.
I know and you know and the Maestro plus expert Steve know this will not happen. But, here is, the but, over those 37 spins, X number will hit.
We know that on average 24-28 numbers show in 37 spins.
So in 24 "uniques" we will have 13 repeats.
Spin of cycles of 37 spins over and over.
Near 24 numbers will appear once.
You can do this over and over and the total amount of numbers that appear will end up being 24-28.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 31, 02:35 PM 2017
We know that on average 24-28 numbers show in 37 spins.
So in 24 "uniques" we will have 13 repeats.
That is the problem with the averages.
Even if they are repeated in a wrong way.
There are just 10 Repeaters in 37 spins. 7 repeat once and 3 repeat 3times.
And if you take the theoretical distribution and round it, then you have a differende of 2 in the results.
So: nonhits 12 to 14 - oncehits 12 to 14 - hit more than once 9 to 11
every hit number you take out of the game will add up with the nonhits.
So how about we try wait for 14 numbers (12 uniques and 2 repeated)?
I think most people want to know what is going to happen in the next ten spins. It doesn't cost a lot to test this.
I know a table that allows 30 cents minimum bets. I'll try it and take my own conclusions.
I love your persistence Andre :d
I found this GLC progression for 12 numbers that might be helpful
1,1,2,3,4,5,6,9,12,17,25,34 (stop)=119 units
Here's Track4 software to track uniques, non-hit, twice-hit numbers, etc.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 31, 11:18 PM 2017
I love your persistence Andre :d
I found this GLC progression for 12 numbers that might be helpful
1,1,2,3,4,5,6,9,12,17,25,34 (stop)=119 units
Lol...
I will persist until I succeed!
Thank you. It will be helpful!
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 01, 12:00 AM 2018
Here's Track4 software to track uniques, non-hit, twice-hit numbers, etc.
Thank you very much!
I'll give it a try!
Happy New Year! I wish you all the best!
Well, after some tests I think the best way to play it is we get 12 unique numbers with no repeats and keep a 4 progression (maybe 6) betting stage. So if you do blow it, you can easily recover.
I'm working alone in this method. I would like to join forces with someone to try to improve this strategy.
I'm in a dilemma! I dont know for sure when to start getting the 12 unique numbers. I enter the table, but when do I start? I'm trying to figure it out.
Anyway I made 90$ in profit this morning...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 01, 02:56 PM 2018I'm in a dilemma! I dont know for sure when to start getting the 12 unique numbers. I enter the table, but when do I start?
As soon as you start to play you have the 37 unique all to come, count them off when the 25 th unique hits that leaves your 12, you now have a choice, start to bet with your prog or wait, my avg says they hit with in 4 spins, so you could wait, but you know they could hit with-in that 4 spins.
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the darts are starting c u later
Hi Andre and thanks for discussing your method on here. I've tested it a little, as per the initial posts and found it to work well so far.
I've tested real money and I'm up 186 units.
Notto, I enjoy your input on here and you obviously go to a lot of trouble with your charts.
I'm not sure we're all on the same sheet though here.
From what I read, Andre approaches the table and notes the spins and when he's collected 12 unique numbers, he bets them.
Notto, It looks like you've been testing betting the last 12 to hit from the 37. So, in other words, when you have 25 numbers that have hit, you bet the remaining 12.
Is this correct?
Andre is betting the FIRST 12 to come out, not the LAST 12.
Have I got this right guys, or have I totally misunderstood your posts? ;D
Also Andre, it looks like you've tweaked the method a little along the way. What have you found to be the best way so far?
I've just been tracking to get 12, with a maximum of 1 repeater, itself repeating a maximum of 1 time, then betting those 12.
If I get a double repeater or more than 1 number repeating I just look back at the spins and retrack.
I've only done a handful of tests and the worst run so far is LLW. The majority of the games end LW or even just W on the first spin.
Looking forward to more tests and results guys.
Cheers.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 01, 03:11 PM 2018
As soon as you start to play you have the 37 unique all to come, count them off when the 25 th unique hits that leaves your 12
This way I'll be betting the numbers not shown. The strategy I play is betting the 12 unique numbers and use the progression waiting for a repeat.
you now have a choice, start to bet with your prog or wait, my avg says they hit with in 4 spins, so you could wait, but you know they could hit with-in that 4 spins.
Wait what?
I'm waiting for you explanation. Thanks!
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Jan 01, 03:24 PM 2018
Hi Andre and thanks for discussing your method on here. I've tested it a little, as per the initial posts and found it to work well so far.
I've tested real money and I'm up 186 units.
Notto, I enjoy your input on here and you obviously go to a lot of trouble with your charts.
I'm not sure we're all on the same sheet though here.
From what I read, Andre approaches the table and notes the spins and when he's collected 12 unique numbers, he bets them.
Notto, It looks like you've been testing betting the last 12 to hit from the 37. So, in other words, when you have 25 numbers that have hit, you bet the remaining 12.
Is this correct?
Andre is betting the FIRST 12 to come out, not the LAST 12.
Have I got this right guys, or have I totally misunderstood your posts? ;D
Also Andre, it looks like you've tweaked the method a little along the way. What have you found to be the best way so far?
I've just been tracking to get 12, with a maximum of 1 repeater, itself repeating a maximum of 1 time, then betting those 12.
If I get a double repeater or more than 1 number repeating I just look back at the spins and retrack.
I've only done a handful of tests and the worst run so far is LLW. The majority of the games end LW or even just W on the first spin.
Looking forward to more tests and results guys.
Cheers.
Thanks for share your results!
You're right! You are playing the same way like me.
I think notto is not understand the method.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Jan 01, 03:24 PM 2018
What have you found to be the best way so far?
I've just been tracking to get 12, with a maximum of 1 repeater, itself repeating a maximum of 1 time, then betting those 12.
If I get a double repeater or more than 1 number repeating I just look back at the spins and retrack.
That's the best way! I prefer waiting for 12 uniques with no repeater and bet them. I enter the table and wait it to happen.
You can use a progression like this 1,1,2,3 or 1,2,3,4 or a extended progression 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14...
Your choice and risky!
My dilemma is when to start counting the 12 Uniques.
I'd count when you arrive at the table and I'd also use some of the history too - if you think you can trust it. That way you can cut down on your waiting time.
Notto is playing a different way, but I'd not dismiss his method. It may be better to bet the 12 numbers at the end of the cycle, rather than at the beginning?
We'd have to test some more.
I've just had LLLLL in my last test. :-\
Cheers.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Jan 01, 04:37 PM 2018
I'd count when you arrive at the table and I'd also use some of the history too - if you think you can trust it. That way you can cut down on your waiting time.
I do the same!
Notto is playing a different way, but I'd not dismiss his method. It may be better to bet the 12 numbers at the end of the cycle, rather than at the beginning?
We'd have to test some more.
I've just had LLLLL in my last test. :-\
You could use aggressive progression 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14... Rarely you'll have a loss.
But is necessary a large bankroll.
Cheers.
Nottophammer is betting for non hit numbers. We are playing for a repeat.
Since I started using this strategy, I have not had losses yet using aggressive progression. It went to 6 steps max.
well heres 1st 12 unique
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16354.0
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16368.0
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 01, 05:55 PM 2018
well heres 1st 12 unique
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16354.0
Nottophammer,
First of all thanks for helping us and posting the thread.
I see you've had experience with it before me.
At the moment I'm very tired and hangover to read the whole thread. I'll read it tomorrow.
Before I fall asleep could you tell me whether the method is a winner or not?
Good night!
@ignatus
I know you like to have fun developing systems and doing tests. You have a lot of experience. Could you do some testing using this method and post the results here? I'll appreciate it.
Andre will have to add each unhit nr from the moment it reaches 12 unhits from the start.
Betting 12 nrs, next loss he will have to bet 13 nrs and so on untill hit.
Notto will have a fixed 12 nr set, instead.
EWARWOOWAR is right about Andre playing the FIRST 12 to come out and Notto the LAST 12.
Both strategies are different: Andre will risk more units than Notto.
Quote from: foreverBOB on Jan 02, 04:22 AM 2018
Andre will have to add each unhit nr from the moment it reaches 12 unhits from the start.
Betting 12 nrs, next loss he will have to bet 13 nrs and so on untill hit.
Notto will have a fixed 12 nr set, instead.
EWARWOOWAR is right about Andre playing the FIRST 12 to come out and Notto the LAST 12.
Both strategies are different: Andre will risk more units than Notto.
Yesterday before I went to bed I was thinking the same.
I wait for 12 uniques and bet them.
Step 1: bet 12 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 2: bet 13 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 3: bet 14 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 4: bet 15 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
And so on...
I'm testing it playing real money. I know a table that allows 30 cents minimum bets.
I'm using a progression of 8 steps 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14.
Using this progression and adding a number in each step, the method is almost invecible.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 02, 10:32 AM 2018
Yesterday before I went to bed I was thinking the same.
I wait for 12 uniques and bet them.
Step 1: bet 12 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 2: bet 13 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 3: bet 14 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 4: bet 15 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
And so on...
I'm testing it playing real money. I know a table that allows 30 cents minimum bets.
I'm using a progression of 8 steps 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14.
Using this progression and adding a number in each step, the method is almost invecible.
Hey Andre, I can't tell you when and which 12 to play/start.
The spins are happening on a rolling basis. This means that your 12numbers depends on when you start. I made this excel sheet for you, hit the F9 key, perhaps you play around with it you might get idea when and which to start and give you a better visual of what your and notto bet is all about. Good luck.
*Ignore the 1st copy that has a small error.
Quote from: cht on Jan 02, 12:20 PM 2018
Hey Andre, I can't tell you when and which 12 to play/start.
The spins are happening on a rolling basis. This means that your 12numbers depends on when you start. I made this excel sheet for you, hit the F9 key, perhaps you play around with it you might get idea when and which to start and give you a better visual of what your and notto bet is all about. Good luck.
Hey CHT
I will take it a look when I get home!
Thanks for your help!
Can 20 unique numbers hit in a row? Yes, in roulette everything can happen, but it's a very rare event.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 02, 03:56 PM 2018
Hey CHT
I will take it a look when I get home!
Thanks for your help!
Can 20 unique numbers hit in a row? Yes, in roulette everything can happen, but it's a very rare event.
Not as rare as you may think. I have seen max of 26 in a row.
Quote from: Blood Angel on Jan 02, 07:15 PM 2018
Not as rare as you may think. I have seen max of 26 in a row.
It's a very rare event.
But a winning method is not one that always wins. A winning method wins more than it lose.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 02, 09:17 PM 2018
It's a very rare event.
But a winning method is not one that always wins. A winning method wins more than it lose.
Winning more than it lose means the method has positive expectancy.
All pattern based systems no matter how creatively fancy they are or how rare they are that you find proposed and discussed on forums, they all have negative expectancy due to HE given by the unfair payout rate. As long as the pockets remain 36 plus 1or 2 zeroes with the unfair payout it's always certainly a negative expectancy game.
If you read about how some forumer wins big or for a long time based on whatever superstitious play method of waiting or trigger or short run or whatever it means the forumer wins based on pure luck, nothing more to it.
There will always be winners - both big winners and long time continuous winners even in a negative expectancy game - that's the reality.
Shall I say "may the luck be with you."
There are only 2 ways to declare a method has positive expectancy -
1. Specific quantifiable cause and effect backed by empirical evidence
2. Experiential data evidence based on sufficiently large sample size, the cause may not yet be known
Even if a method or system has positive expectancy, the edge must be large enough to be commercially viable. This means the return on equity has to be at a rate that it's worth your time from the practical pov.
Another aspect of importance is the expected max drawdown inherent in positive expectancy methods that essentially defines the risk exposure of the method where risk of ruin spells the death knell. The kurtosis of random distribution is mostly unknown and the best estimate is based on large sample testing. However, we will never know if and when the Aswan dam will ever be breached.
Played it twice with fun money @ Celtic Casino.
There is a lot of writing required with this system so
it may be difficult to play in an brick and mortar setting.
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Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Tuesday, January 2,2018 @ 11:36pm CST USA
*played with $1 units
...21,13,23,33,11,28,20,27,6,17,22,23,
27,21,35,5,15,19 (newest spin-value)
Uniques: 13,33,11,28,20,6,17,22,35,5,15,19
Bet last 12 uniques: 1.) 19 (win)+24
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Tuesday, January 2,2018 @ 11:42pm CST USA
7,7,36,19,17,29,34,27,16,16,14,31,16,31,
11,7,11,24,10,36,9,20,28 (newest spin-value)
Uniques: 19,17,29,34,27,14,24,10,9,20,28
*I thought I had 12 uniques but I counted #16 by mistake
Bet last 11 uniques & #16: 1.) 32(x)-12*new unique added
Bet last 12 uniques & #16: 2.) 36(x)-13*progression is now 2x
Bet last 12 uniques & #16: 3.) 34(win)+46
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+21
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 02, 09:17 PM 2018
It's a very rare event.
But a winning method is not one that always wins. A winning method wins more than it lose.
Ok...good luck!
This is from Jackpot joy 1st12#'s in X spins 30.12.15
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Here you may see the result of the 1st 12 uniques. I show the 1st 12 uniques in orange and proceed to mark the next 12 uniques in blue.
We see the 2nd group of 12 uniques in blue and they win 1st spin, but your 1st group of 12 uniques takes 20 spins
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Now i show you this as this is what your up against, the 1st group lost, but the 2nd group wins.
So now you need to test for yourself, to see if it wins more than it loses.
Andre 113 spins by mortagon, with Priyanka tester lets see how 12 unique go, plus does betting for repeat in 1st 10
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going to clutter the topic here but at least you'll have some tested
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If you bet 1st 10 with 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3 win here +16
12 unique, 9 spins just in side your 10 steps
Might as well see how KTF does, keep General Dr sir anyone anyone happy +64
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start the next group of 12, win 1 spin
going for repeat in 10 spins -92
KTF, +55
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In blue 12 unique win 4 spins
repeat in 10 +21
KTF, +57
Would not myself like to lose any of those progressions...not on the numbers involved...and the speed you have to put the money on in time on them ...plus the aggressive approach and a total loss times the numbers involved is absolutely massive...may look good on paper but would take balls of steel or a load of toilet paper to hand ..whichever way you look at it..and Bruce Lee reactions to get money on..if I have time later I’ll post you up a simple flatbet and parley system which you can invest your time and effort into ..
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Blue 12 unique win 3 spins
repeat in 10, +26
KTF, +50
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in blue 12 unique win 1 spin
repeat in 10, +8
KTF, now the consensus was Bank roll of 800, but in smartlive trying something thread said with GLC need BR of 2000, even on FOBT using .25 units this is a winner.
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Of the 113 spins we're running out off spins to see KTF, ok, general.
in blue 12 unique win 3 spin
repeat in 10, +8
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in blue 12 unique win 4 spins
repeat in 10, +33
so even a repeat in 1st 10 spins +20
Andre 12 unique passed all :thumbsup: all wins till the loss comes, but by then you could be well infront.
Andre the 1st 2 games of 2018 on J247.com, i'll do 1st 12 unique only as if win i'd move to another wheel.
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I'm gonna test this method against a huge number of spins - I let u know the outcome
One issue that makes implementing this method in a real play a bit unrealtisc is the fact that Andre expecting a large progression up to 8 steps, most online casino allow a short time to place bets and suppose you are successful in placing the chips before the timer is off you still have the problem when you need to scale up your units (1-3-5 etc ), online casino offer only the following Chips's units (1,2,5,10,25,50,100...)
It seems that some people didn't understand how to use the strategy.
As we enter the table we have to wait 12 unique numbers IN A ROW. The method allows only one repeat.
We bet them using the progression and after the first win we RESET the game and start it again.
Some people are also complaining that it is difficult to place the bets. I'm using a BOT to place the bets quickly.
Without a bot it gets hard to use the strategy.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 03, 01:06 AM 2018
Played it twice with fun money @ Celtic Casino.
There is a lot of writing required with this system so
it may be difficult to play in an brick and mortar setting.
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Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Tuesday, January 2,2018 @ 11:36pm CST USA
*played with $1 units
...21,13,23,33,11,28,20,27,6,17,22,23,
27,21,35,5,15,19 (newest spin-value)
Uniques: 13,33,11,28,20,6,17,22,35,5,15,19
Bet last 12 uniques: 1.) 19 (win)+24
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Tuesday, January 2,2018 @ 11:42pm CST USA
7,7,36,19,17,29,34,27,16,16,14,31,16,31,
11,7,11,24,10,36,9,20,28 (newest spin-value)
Uniques: 19,17,29,34,27,14,24,10,9,20,28
*I thought I had 12 uniques but I counted #16 by mistake
Bet last 11 uniques & #16: 1.) 32(x)-12*new unique added
Bet last 12 uniques & #16: 2.) 36(x)-13*progression is now 2x
Bet last 12 uniques & #16: 3.) 34(win)+46
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+21
You played it totally wrong.
You have to wait for 12 UNIQUE numbers in a row.
If a number appears 3 times you have to start over. The method allows only one repeat.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 03, 10:33 AM 2018
It seems that some people didn't understand how to use the strategy.
As we enter the table we have to wait 12 unique numbers IN A ROW. The method allows only one repeat.
We bet them using the progression and after the first win we RESET the game and start it again.
Some people are also complaining that it is difficult to place the bets. I'm using a BOT to place the bets quickly.
Without a bot it gets hard to use the strategy.
How do you resume the tracking after the first hit ?
You track a new sequence from the last hit number ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 03, 10:15 AM 2018
One issue that makes implementing this method in a real play a bit unrealtisc is the fact that Andre expecting a large progression up to 8 steps, most online casino allow a short time to place bets and suppose you are successful in placing the chips before the timer is off you still have the problem when you need to scale up your units (1-3-5 etc ), online casino offer only the following Chips's units (1,2,5,10,25,50,100...)
You have to use a bot.
I'm using a bot.
The progression I'm using 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14.
Without a bot it's hard to place the bets.
So in short, you are betting the house to not produce a 20 unique numbers in one row.
Well, this is a nice theory that can hold long until a violation appears.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 03, 10:53 AM 2018
So in short, you are betting the house to not produce a 20 unique numbers in one row.
That's it! If 20 unique numbers come in a row I lose.
I know it needs more tests, but I'm having good results and good profits.
I play real money.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 03, 10:57 AM 2018
That's it! If 20 unique numbers come in a row I lose.
I know it needs more tests, but I'm having good results and good profits.
I play real money.
Keep the fingers crossed!
I will validate your theory against a huge sampling and report the result here
Cheers
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 03, 11:01 AM 2018
Keep the fingers crossed!
I will validate your theory against a huge sampling and report the result here
Cheers
:thumbsup:
Do u wanna a bot?
link:s://youtu.be/xTK9UosVyOE
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 03, 10:50 AM 2018
You have to use a bot.
I'm using a bot.
The progression I'm using 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14.
Without a bot it's hard to place the bets.
Andre, this progression works for a fixed 12 nr set, not for the accumulative approach of adding each new number to your exisiting set.
You start with 12 nrs, after a loss you bet 13, and so on up untill you bet your last set of 20 numbers hoping for the first repeat to show. Correct?
Quote from: foreverBOB on Jan 03, 11:40 AM 2018
Andre, this progression works for a fixed 12 nr set, not for the accumulative approach of adding each new number to your exisiting set.
You start with 12 nrs, after a loss you bet 13, and so on up untill you bet your last set of 20 numbers hoping for the first repeat to show. Correct?
Correct!
This progression works, but adding a number in each step reduces profit.
where can i install this Bot?
is it free?
i have some exciting news for you from testsing :)
I tested ur method, the probability to bust your entire bankrol (lose 8 steps progression) is 0.000219512 %
(tests were to find sequence of >= 20 unique numbers in a row).
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 03, 01:06 PM 2018
I tested ur method, the probability to bust your entire bankrol (lose 8 steps progression) is 0.000219512 %
(tests were to find sequence of >= 20 unique numbers in a row).
Can you check what is the probability of >=16 uniques followed immediately with another >= 16 uniques ? TQ
Quote from: cht on Jan 03, 01:23 PM 2018
Can you check what is the probability of >=16 uniques followed immediately with another >= 16 uniques ? TQ
so you asking about the probability of 32 uniques in one row?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 03, 01:28 PM 2018
so you asking about the probability of 32 uniques in one row?
What is the probability of the 2nd set of >= 16 uniques that happens immediately after the 1st set of >= 16 uniques ?
There are repeats between the 2sets.
Quote from: cht on Jan 03, 01:34 PM 2018
What is the probability of the 2nd >= 16 uniques that happens immediately after the 1st >= 16 uniques ?
sorry but your question doesn't make sense at all, you asking for something that's hard to be measured!
i still believe you want to know the probabilty of 32 uniques in one row.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 03, 01:38 PM 2018
sorry but your question doesn't make sense at all, you asking for something that's hard to be measured!
i still believe you want to know the probabilty of 32 uniques in one row.
Hard to measure may mean the probability that it happens is too low to measure ? :xd:
Anyway, just sharing an idea with Andre that instead of randomly play the 1st 12 unique when you are at the table, play the 12 unique immediately after the 16 unique has happened with a shorter 4steps progression.
the conclusion:
Max 24 uniques in a row showed with very low (near zero probability).
in fact, this consultion is proved by the so-called "Law of Third", and it says that in average: in 37 or 38 spins, 1/3 of the numbers (roughly 12 numbers) do not appear.
Andre's method (chasing 20 uniques in row) is efficient and can be considered one of the top methods i ever seen.
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Andre's method (chasing 20 uniques in row) is efficient and can be considered one of the top methods i ever seen.
/quote]
Oh god. I dont think u r new guy in roulette? Or r u??
Quote from: Madi on Jan 03, 02:24 PM 2018
[quote author=Roulettebeater link=topic=19861.msg187718#msg1877
Andre's method (chasing 20 uniques in row) is efficient and can be considered one of the top methods i ever seen.
Oh god. I dont think u r new guy in roulette? Or r u??
from the end, say what do you want ?
Quote from: cht on Jan 03, 01:46 PM 2018
Hard to measure may mean the probability that it happens is too low to measure ? :xd:
Anyway, just sharing an idea with Andre that instead of randomly play the 1st 12 unique when you are at the table, play the 12 unique immediately after the 16 unique has happened with a shorter 4steps progression.
Hey CHT, what do you mean?
Hey CHT, what do you mean?
Wait 16 unique and start betting on a 4-step progression?
That's too much waiting.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 03, 01:52 PM 2018
the conclusion:
Max 24 uniques in a row showed with very low (near zero probability).
in fact, this consultion is proved by the so-called "Law of Third", and it says that in average: in 37 or 38 spins, 1/3 of the numbers (roughly 12 numbers) do not appear.
Andre's method (chasing 20 uniques in row) is efficient and can be considered one of the top methods i ever seen.
Great!
Thanks for testing the strategy. How did you do the tests? How many cycles? How many spins?
I'm also doing various tests and playing real money.
I just played for about forty minutes having a profit of $42. Not bad. It went to step 3 in the progression. So far without any loss.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 03, 10:33 AM 2018
It seems that some people didn't understand how to use the strategy.
As we enter the table we have to wait 12 unique numbers IN A ROW. The method allows only one repeat.
Hi Andre, correct me if i'm wrong, you said that we have to wait 12unique numbers in a row and allows only one repeat, below is the example of spins results :
Example 1 :
31,14,27,0,10,29,31,8,11,24,26,7,4
12unique in 13spins with 31repeated (only one number repeat)
Example 2 :
31,14,27,0,10,29,10,31,8,11,24,24,26,7,0,4.
12unique in 16spins with 31,10,24,0repeat (four numbers repeat)
Which one from the examples that you're gonna play ? Please guide me..
Thanks
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 03, 06:22 PM 2018
Hey CHT, what do you mean?
Hey CHT, what do you mean?
Wait 16 unique and start betting on a 4-step progression?
That's too much waiting.
Let me explain.
You have 2 choices -
1. Wait for the formation of a >=16 unique and start betting on a 4-step progression, or
2. Wait for the formation of a >=16 unique, wait again for the formation of a >= 12 unique that follows immediately and
start betting on a 4-step progression
The purpose is to reduce the progression from 8 to 4 steps.
8 steps progression 12 x 1chip = Lose 12 chips, total chips loss 12 chips - win 24 chips, odds 1: 1.9166 or 3.468% of 692
13 x 1chip = Lose 13 chips, total chips loss 25 chips - win 23 chips, odds 1: 1.7692 or 3.323% of 692
14 x 2chip = Lose 28 chips, total chips loss 53 chips - win 44 chips, odds 1: 1.5714 or 6.358% of 692
15 x 3chip = Lose 45 chips, total chips loss 98 chips - win 63 chips, odds 1: 1.4000 or 9.104% of 692
16 x 4chip = Lose 64 chips, total chips loss 162 chips - win 80 chips, odds 1: 1.2500 or 11.560% of 692
17 x 6chip = Lose 102 chips, total chips loss 264 chips - win 114 chips, odds 1: 1.1176 or 16.473% of 692
18 x 9chip = Lose 162 chips, total chips loss 426 chips - win 162 chips, odds 1: 1.0000 or 23.410% of 692
19 x 14chip = Lose 266 chips, total chips loss 692 chips - win 238 chips, odds 1: 0.8947 or 34.393% of 692
4 steps progression 12 x 1chip = Lose 12 chips, total chips loss 12 chips - win 24 chips, odds 1: 1.9166 or 24.489% of 98
13 x 1chip = Lose 13 chips, total chips loss 25 chips - win 23 chips, odds 1: 1.7692 or 23.469% of 98
14 x 2chip = Lose 28 chips, total chips loss 53 chips - win 44 chips, odds 1: 1.5714 or 44.897% of 98
15 x 3chip = Lose 45 chips, total chips loss 98 chips - win 63 chips, odds 1: 1.4000 or 64.285% of 98
Assume your daily br is the total potential loss, for 4 steps progression is
98 chips and for 8 steps progression is
692 chips.For 8 steps progression, on average you will need to win >=
15 games to achieve 100% of br.For 4 steps progression, on average you will need to win >=
3-4 games to achieve 100% of br.The 1st 4 steps of the 8 steps progression is on a higher probability of occurrence and on higher odds.
I have given you the math facts. You make your decision.
To speed up your play, scan multiple tables for the setup.
Good luck.
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Jan 03, 07:45 PM 2018
Hi Andre, correct me if i'm wrong, you said that we have to wait 12unique numbers in a row and allows only one repeat, below is the example of spins results :
Example 1 :
31,14,27,0,10,29,31,8,11,24,26,7,4
12unique in 13spins with 31repeated (only one number repeat)
Example 2 :
31,14,27,0,10,29,10,31,8,11,24,24,26,7,0,4.
12unique in 16spins with 31,10,24,0repeat (four numbers repeat)
Which one from the examples that you're gonna play ? Please guide me..
Thanks
Hi RATWOOD85,
It's a pleasure help you!
You're gonna play example 1.
Never, never play example 2.
For online casino, play with autobot.
If you play 8 steps progression, be aware you are open to disconnection.
For b&m casino, there are 20-24 history spins for electronic table games(etg). Rotate your scan over a few nearby etg in your location. Work with partners to increase your scope.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 03, 08:17 PM 2018
Hi RATWOOD85,
It's a pleasure help you!
You're gonna play example 1.
Never, never play example 2.
Thanks Andre for the fast reply..
When u enter a table, you prefer to start from the beginning to wait for 12unique, why don't you use the history spins of the table before you enter that table to shorten your waiting time ?
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Jan 03, 08:44 PM 2018
why don't you use the history spins of the table before you enter that table to shorten your waiting time ?
I use the history spins.
Quote from: cht on Jan 03, 08:43 PM 2018
For online casino, play with autobot.
If you play 8 steps progression, be aware you are open to disconnection.
For b&m casino, there are 20-24 history spins for electronic table games(etg). Rotate your scan over a few nearby etg in your location. Work with partners to increase your scope.
I use a bot to place the bets. It's almost impossible play the strategy without a bot because the table allows only 20 sec.
Quote from: cht on Jan 03, 08:16 PM 2018
You have 2 choices -
1. Wait for the formation of a >=16 unique and start betting on a 4-step progression, or
2. Wait for the formation of a >=16 unique, wait again for the formation of a >= 12 unique that follows immediately and start betting on a 4-step progression
I didn't understand the 2 choices.
To speed up your play, scan multiple tables for the setup.
I already do that.
I'll study what you proposed.
Thank you for the support!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 03, 08:52 PM 2018
I use a bot to place the bets. It's almost impossible play the strategy without a bot because the table allows only 20 sec.
Can you share with me the bot you play with pls. I'm new to online betting. TQ
Try to understand the post I made above. It's a detail math representation of progression bet sizing that few people properly understand the actual implication of it's use(common understanding is to try to circumnavigate variance which falls under gamblers fallacy). There's another aspect to it but that's another story for another time.
Here's the updated excel sheet. Play with the F9 key, find out on average how many 20-30 spin sequence you need to achieve say a total of 4 games.
The cumulative table looks like this -
8 steps progression
12 x 1chip = total chips loss 12 chips - win 24 chips, net win 24 chips
13 x 1chip = total chips loss 25 chips - win 23 chips, net win 11 chips
14 x 2chip = total chips loss 53 chips - win 44 chips, net win 19 chips
15 x 3chip = total chips loss 98 chips - win 63 chips, net win 10 chips
16 x 4chip = total chips loss 162 chips - win 80 chips, net loss -18 chips
17 x 6chip = total chips loss 264 chips - win 114 chips, net loss -48 chips
18 x 9chip = total chips loss 426 chips - win 162 chips, net loss -102 chips
19 x 14chip = total chips loss 692 chips - win 238 chips, net loss -188 chips
4 steps progression(based on my proposed betselection)
12 x 1chip = total chips loss 12 chips - win 24 chips, net win 24 chips
13 x 1chip = total chips loss 25 chips - win 23 chips, net win 11 chips
14 x 2chip = total chips loss 53 chips - win 44 chips, net win 19 chips
15 x 3chip = total chips loss 98 chips - win 63 chips, net win 10 chips
Based on your bet sizing, the 1st 4 steps returns net profit and the next 4 steps returns net loss.
For 8 steps progression, if you avoid the 5th step onwards you might double your br after >= 43 games.
For 4 steps progression, if you avoid the 5th step loss you might double your br after >= 6 games.
(earlier projection is wrong.)
Disclaimer - The proposed betselection has a negative expectancy.
Quote from: cht on Jan 03, 11:00 PM 2018
Disclaimer - The proposed betselection has a negative expectancy.
Whats the point then? Fun?
Quote from: Madi on Jan 03, 11:25 PM 2018
Whats the point then? Fun?
Yes fun to me.
Most members on forums are hobbyist cents punters, many have losses well above $10k+ though they wouldn't want to admit in public (forum) instead lying they are breakeven or small winners/losers - you think I'm daft ?
All are net losers with occasional win in between. This group of members are hoping to find the hg to recoup their losses and a few real noobs who hope to supplement their meagre income(income no enough)
By engaging all these people by providing them the tools and practical math facts, they get a better understanding of the shitty gambling they now indulge in. Hopefully, they are not that dunce to make a better informed judgement for themselves.
Instead of posting 1 or 2 liner nay post which mostly is taken as from a negative person or another loser. Remember they want to listen to winners, they are the gurus who will show them the way, a saviour to the lost sheeps which you , steve, a few sober members are fully aware that's a huge BS.
I did gain however little from forums, my community service in return just this once, tbh more driven by the stench of the BS. :twisted:
What the hell is going on here?
This thread is for sharing ideas and improve the strategy. If someone doesn't like the thread get out of here.
Go do something better.
Don't soil the thread, please. Go fight in another place.
Can the strategy lose? Of course, it's a game, it's roulette. If there was a way to always win, the casinos would close the doors.
Take it easy.
ita Andre
For this to work we need lots of positive energy.
This fascinates me for two reasons:
Vaddis' system was similar to
this (and no one could figure it out)
Andre is very close to doing so imo.
There was another system involving tracking 24 spins
and 12 numbers hitting once in the next 12 spins.
(no one could figure the missing pieces in that one either)
Andre, I hv tested your method with my betselsection with a slight adjustment on my excel sheet with random numbers and the result looks good. Good enough to make some real money. :xd:
Here's the exact betselection -
1. Wait for 16 unique with max 1 repeat.
2. Starting from the next spin, count 12 unique (there might be repeats but ignore them)
3. First spin after 12 unique, if repeat no bet, sequence ended
4. First spin after 12 unique is unique, bet for repeat 3 steps progression 53 chips br(more realistic than 692 chips)
5. Each win is average +16 chips
According to my short test, the result for 40 spin sequence of 30 spins each is -
1st try - 8 wins and 1 loss
2nd try - 11wins and 1 loss
Idk if it will win itlr with positive expectancy unless roulettebeater or someone competent help test it with large data sample.
Meanwhile, people can you contribute by clicking the F9 key to report what the random spins result is. Or paste real spins of a set of 30 spins then report what the result says. Contribute with your effort pls. TQ
I really hope to see accurate positive and negative results posted below.
Roulettebeater and all rx code masters, pls test this betselection, tell us if it's another shit or there may be something here. TQ
I want to believe most members here are normal honest good people and not freeloaders or marketers on here to steal the system to sell on ebay. >:(
Andre's method deserves thorough robust testing and to achieve that we need to pool our effort to find that out. Time to roll up your sleeve and put in the help we need. And shut the farking negative gap, we're not stupid !
Post below VVV your results. Make sure you do the test accurately, if you don't understand ask specific question, I'll explain. B4 that read all the recent post I make to get you up to speed what this discussion is all about.
Ok, time to go out, be back later.
B4 I forget, reminder - don't go betting real money this shit until it's properly tested. It's just beta testing stage with possible potential only !!!
Has anyone thought about about just betting the numbers that are red or black of the uniques following the last spun colour out? If you are guaranteed near enough a repeat the colours red and black would have to alternate rbrbrbrb or brbrbrbr for you to lose ...less money to place and to lose and maybe higher profits just a thought
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jan 04, 02:46 AM 2018
Has anyone thought about about just betting the numbers that are red or black of the uniques following the last spun colour out? If you are guaranteed near enough a repeat the colours red and black would have to alternate rbrbrbrb or brbrbrbr for you to lose ...less money to place and to lose and maybe higher profits just a thought
Thanks for sharing!
I have already tested this and it works only in the short term. There's no way to use progression betting this way.
Thanks for replying..only in short term does that mean you hit the losing sequence..regardless of of progression? ..or becouse there was a progression problem
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jan 04, 03:28 AM 2018
Thanks for replying..only in short term does that mean you hit the losing sequence..regardless of of progression? ..or becouse there was a progression problem
Does it means that playing this way, only flat bet. And you will have more losses than wins. There's no way to use progression.
What I’m trying to get at regardless of how many numbers are red or black you would still use the same progression amount on less or higher numbers of the numbers that are out so in theory you would rake in more profit as less numbers are bet on and the sequence of rbrbrbrb or brbrbrbr would be the only losing factor would be interested if these sequences happened a lot against what the potential return of less numbers bet but with normal progression amount on them etc
Your progression would still be the same but only put on the numbers of colour out following the last..if you know you are going to hit within 8 spins only a losing sequence would result in failure..
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jan 04, 03:37 AM 2018
What I’m trying to get at regardless of how many numbers are red or black you would still use the same progression amount on less or higher numbers of the numbers that are out so in theory you would rake in more profit as less numbers are bet on and the sequence of rbrbrbrb or brbrbrbr would be the only losing factor would be interested if these sequences happened a lot against what the potential return of less numbers bet but with normal progression amount on them etc
I will say it again. It doesn't work! I have tested it for days. There's no way to use the same progression.
Do you tests and get your own conclusions.
Thanks for the reply.. if the progression incorporates each new number spun and comes out in profit if hit surely it’ll come out in profit using the exact same progression regardless of how many numbers you put it on that’s red or black as they could be less or half or more even if they were all red or all black only the losing sequence would result in failure ..just trying to get my head around that it doesn’t work..I will test as you say..in this I was thinking of your aggressive approach
6th-sense, I like your contribution effort. But I agree with Andre, it doesn't work. No problem just throw ideas out there for us to consider.
Look at the attach picture as example. We check for max 1 repeat after 16 unique appears. The dark green 16 tells us the 16 unique with zero repeat in column F(Unique1). We then start the count for 12 unique(29 to 16 with 29 and 22 repeat but is ignored) The 1st spin after that is zero (unique), so we start bet 3 step progression for the 12 unique - 19 lose followed by 33 win. This can happen on any of the unique columns but we only bet the earliest column if there are more than one.
Another set of 40 spin sequence of 30 spins each -
10 win / 2 loss
4 win / 2 loss
8 win / 3 loss
Btw Andre, while testing I saw RFH of 22 spins twice, so be careful with your 20 unique bet.
Another important point when testing, can you record down which spin win out of the 3 spins, eg. W1 or W2 or W3 or L(loss) I notice that majority of the wins is on win W1. So why not just bet 1st spin for a 1:2 odds ?
Andre
As I said, your method is solid !
I have tested it against huge database, basically I searched for a sequence of >= 20 distinct numbers ( per rotation +/- 20 width).
Can you share with me the bot, please ?
Cheers
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 04:40 AM 2018
Andre
As I said, your method is solid !
I have tested it against huge database, basically I searched for a sequence of >= 20 distinct numbers ( per rotation +/- 20 width).
Can you share with me the bot, please ?
Cheers
I ask Andre about the bot but he just pretend he never read my request. :-\ Come on Andre, share with Roulettebeater and me on PM pls, TQ
Hey Roulettebeater, can you read through my post above about my betselection, write a program to test it if it's a winner or not -
1. 3 steps progression bet, and
2. The 1st bet only that I explained in the above post.
This will save us tedious manual testing time and the result is more accurate over a large sample size. TQ for your help
Dumbfark, nobody is helping to test, all lazy freeloaders ???
Thanks cht for your reply and Andres saves me a lot of testing
One more element to add. The time of day to place the bet
Story: One man makes 33K/year starting his betting at 6:00am (when the casino officially opened)-I noticed at 3:25am CST USA Celtic Casino has a 15 minute downtime to repair/clean wheel
As the story goes the guy would play his progression
bet $100 on EC's until he made his $100 for the day,
then he would leave and come in the same time the next day.
(From what I understand he never lost his bankroll ever)
Hey Andre
Please share The bot with us (cht and me)
Thank you very much
Cht, can you write again what I should
Test ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 06:01 AM 2018
Cht, can you write again what I should
Test ?
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 01:34 AM 2018
Here's the exact betselection -
1. Wait for 16 unique with max 1 repeat.
2. Starting from the next spin, count 12 unique (there might be repeats but ignore them, *plus no more than 5 repeats)
3. First spin after 12 unique, if repeat no bet, sequence ended
4. First spin after 12 unique is unique, bet for repeat 3 steps progression 53 chips br(more realistic than 692 chips)
5. Each win is average +16 chips
Roulettebeater, the above is the betselection.
Quote from: cht on Jan 03, 10:51 PM 2018
The cumulative table looks like this -
4 steps progression(based on my proposed betselection)
12 x 1chip = total chips loss 12 chips - win 24 chips, net win 24 chips
13 x 1chip = total chips loss 25 chips - win 23 chips, net win 11 chips
14 x 2chip = total chips loss 53 chips - win 44 chips, net win 19 chips
This is the 3 steps progression.
The excel sheet is on post #123.
The picture for the above betselection is on post #141.
Can you/anyone test the betselection pls ? TQ
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Another set of 40 spin sequence of 30 spins each -
8 win / 2 loss
13 win / 2 loss
7 win / 3 loss
Done for the day.
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 06:20 AM 2018
Roulettebeater, the above is the betselection.
This is the 3 steps progression.
The excel sheet is on post #123.
The picture for the above betselection is on post #141.
Can you/anyone test the betselection pls ? TQ
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Another set of 40 spin sequence of 30 spins each -
8 win / 2 loss
13 win / 2 loss
7 win / 3 loss
Done for the day.
Sorry but I have technical difficulties to implement an auto test using your too-much complex Betselection.
Why don't you just play as Andre suggesting ?
Andre is assisting for 12 uniques and betting 8 steps, if you can't afford the the 8 progressions, u can just hold on untill 16 uniques appear and bet 4 steps, you will pay eventually a penalty which is the time !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 06:32 AM 2018
Sorry but I have technical difficulties to implement an auto test using your too-much complex Betselection.
Why don't you just play as Andre suggesting ?
Andre is assisting for 12 uniques and betting 8 steps, if you can't afford the the 8 progressions, u can just hold on untill 16 uniques appear and bet 4 steps, you will pay eventually a penalty which is the time !
I have zero confidence that betting against 20 unique starting from 12 unique with a 8 step progression has a positive expectancy. Off the top of my head it's a luck betselection stepping over the bomb 21 unique.
Moreover based on his 8 steps progression, I have shown that it's net cumulative loss from the 5th step onward.
My interest in Andre's idea is to run autobot to scan and place bets with online casino, something I'm very new to and much to learn. I believe with the right optimised betselection flatbet this can be a winner which can be used to milk multiple online casino at the same time all done by a bot(I just learn about this as I tested it today.)
If this betselection can be tested accurately over a large sample size, then it can be established with empirical evidence that this betselection does indeed have a positive expectancy. For now, I don't have the time to commit besides today, I will come back to this much later when time avail, so to the back burner.
So, the status remains unconfirmed at beta testing stage only. To be revisited some time in the future.
just got Morts #'s for today.
Here is what Andre wants. In blue 12 unique with 1 repeat.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/01/04/temp_806714.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/vwgf)
You're just better off betting for a repeat with 1st 10 spins, using 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3. Today win #16
yesterday
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/01/04/temp_431077.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/v6T1)
#11
A 76% or better chance of a repeat with 1st 10 spins.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/01/04/temp_788445.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/v9A5)
Look at 716 daily games using 1st 10 spins, 9/10, means 1 repeat, been 321 games.
off topic i know but better use 1st 10 spins for a repeat, its shown in colbster topic in math section page, 2
Cht,
I understand your concern, however I can tell u that Andre method (8 steps ) can win more than it loses.
My test showed that max 24 uniques can happen ( with very low probability ) - think of the law of thirds.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 06:58 AM 2018
Cht,
I understand your concern, however I can tell u that Andre method (8 steps ) can win more than it loses.
My test showed that max 24 uniques can happen ( with very low probability ) - think of the law of thirds.
IF betting against 20 uniques has a positive expectancy, then run a bot to bet from 17 unique 3 steps progression with multiple online casino.
The baseline / theory is :
Max 24 uniques in a row.
Everyone can use this baseline as he wants and use it in his own strategy
Anyway I'm only interested in Andre's idea from the angle of bot online casino betting. For b&m casino betting, there's much better positive expectancy method that I posted on Madi's thread.
Andre, take whatever you can from my contribution here and best of luck that you continue to win big. Cheers !
Looking for anyone who's competent to code autobot and is familiar with actual running experience of autobot with multiple online casinos.
It looks like it's become a bot forum here. Please, let's get back to the topic.
link:s://youtu.be/xTK9UosVyOE
link:s://wetransfer.com/downloads/810ba5df324b1040cdc0951c8887323020171230230815/640fcbf202c5543b615518c9e161482e20171230230815/778317
It needs JAVA 8 JRE in your computer.
Now, please stop talking about bot or I will close the thread. Thanks.
thx andre,
please dont hesitate asking me for further/special tests.
i am glad to help
So you have 12 numbers in your selection. 8 step progression. HOPING the repeat come from those 12 and NOT from the next numbers. I can guarantee it will lose. Why? Been there and done that while breaking my head on the WTF thread last year. Sure you can go long without a loss. But after 1000 cycles you will be in a loss just as i was. Not dissing anyone but just telling what ive seen. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 04, 02:44 PM 2018
So you have 12 numbers in your selection. 8 step progression. HOPING the repeat come from those 12 and NOT from the next numbers. I can guarantee it will lose. Why? Been there and done that while breaking my head on the WTF thread last year. Sure you can go long without a loss. But after 1000 cycles you will be in a loss just as i was. Not dissing anyone but just telling what ive seen. :thumbsup:
Agree. But if you look at the details which I did there's golden opportunity there, I missed it initially. For those who see it good for you. :thumbsup:
Next step is to mine it and it's too much time & effort to do it manually that's why we need a tool to help us do the job.
I tested this method well, i looked for a sequence of 20 numbers that contain unique numbers, i found hardly a few!
the probability is damn low!
why you judging thie method without providing some real proofs?!
it's easy to say that 'IT WILL LOSE'!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 03:32 PM 2018
I tested this method well, i looked for a sequence of 20 numbers that contain unique numbers, i found hardly a few!
the probability is damn low!
why you judging thie method without providing some real proofs?!
it's easy to say that 'IT WILL LOSE'!
I don't doubt your test result. :thumbsup:
But I disagree the way Andre bet it will win itlr. You still need to know how to bet it profitably. I have done my test thoroughly. If you don't bet it properly I can assure you lose itlr but bet it optimally you are assured a low risk winner. The betting process if done manually is tedious as you say, you pay with time ! So we use a machine(I can't use that word)
i just found these sequences with width 20 numbers that contain unique numbers and numbers between 12 and 20 are not included in the list of numbers between 1 and 12:
ID ID
------ ----------
1929 1948
6256 6275
5834 5853
5835 5854
6482 6501
6610 6629
3966 3985
12998 13017
12999 13018
13035 13054
13036 13055
ID ID
------ ----------
13037 13056
13038 13057
15303 15322
16174 16193
17255 17274
17574 17593
17575 17594
17709 17728
22302 22321
21845 21864
21846 21865
ID ID
------ ----------
19973 19992
19995 20014
22863 22882
23549 23568
27000 27019
32258 32277
32407 32426
32408 32427
32411 32430
32893 32912
36794 36813
ID ID
------ ----------
36795 36814
40350 40369
40351 40370
40352 40371
40701 40720
40702 40721
40703 40722
39604 39623
41331 41350
39224 39243
40068 40087
ID ID
------ ----------
43451 43470
43452 43471
71320 71339
71321 71340
71322 71341
71636 71655
50110 50129
72582 72601
72583 72602
72584 72603
72585 72604
ID ID
------ ----------
72586 72605
72587 72606
72588 72607
72716 72735
72717 72736
72750 72769
72751 72770
72752 72771
59800 59819
61208 61227
61209 61228
ID ID
------ ----------
79402 79421
56490 56509
56491 56510
66478 66497
56875 56894
45076 45095
45077 45096
55272 55291
55316 55335
55317 55336
55318 55337
ID ID
------ ----------
46697 46716
46698 46717
53262 53281
47878 47897
47879 47898
59489 59508
59494 59513
48297 48316
48298 48317
48383 48402
57012 57031
ID ID
------ ----------
57013 57032
74645 74664
74646 74665
74647 74666
74779 74798
48699 48718
74957 74976
74958 74977
74959 74978
49146 49165
49147 49166
ID ID
------ ----------
64796 64815
64797 64816
64798 64817
64799 64818
64800 64819
51798 51817
51799 51818
51867 51886
69963 69982
69964 69983
41856 41875
ID ID
------ ----------
41857 41876
41858 41877
41859 41878
Total 113 out of 1000000 ... thats a damn fuck low probability
for example sequence between ID 41859 and 41878 has the following numbers:
NUM
--------
34
27
28
35
36
0
24
29
26
13
33
NUM
--------
20
14
16
12
11
1
19
25
31
This is a case where Andre method fails! but i repeat its a very rare case
Now do the math RB :thumbsup:
Roulettebeater, either you do the math to know it loses or you learn from a real money loss. Not dissing you or Andre.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 04, 03:47 PM 2018
Now do the math RB :thumbsup:
yea, i think long term is gonna be profitable.
the progression might go broke 1 out of 1000
so suppose you will play 999 winning games in a month and make on average 24 chips per game .. Total 999 * 24= 23976.
You will lose 1 game which will cost you 450 chips
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 03:51 PM 2018
yea, i think long term is gonna be profitable.
the progression might go broke 1 out of 1000
so suppose you will play 999 winning games in a month and make on average 24 chips per game .. Total 999 * 24= 23976.
You will lose 1 game which will cost you 450 chips
Your test is correct, you math model is incorrect. It requires more test. Think what I'm saying to you.
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 03:56 PM 2018Your test is correct, you math model is incorrect. It requires more test. Think what I'm saying to you.
go on, say where the problem with the math.
thx
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 03:51 PM 2018
so suppose you will play 999 winning games in a month and make on average 24 chips per game .. Total 999 * 24= 23976.
You will lose 1 game which will cost you 450 chips
Win 23976 against loss of 450 ? Possible ?
You're taking short cut with assumptions with no basis for your model.
You need to test every permutation to fill in the details.
U dont need to test everything. Ur eyes can see the potential. Saying reality is not a naysayer.
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 03:59 PM 2018
Win 23976 against loss of 450 ? Possible ?
1 los out of 1000
won games =999 ; Proft earned 999 * 24 ; 24 is average here as you bet 12 chips going up to 8 steps progression
Lost game=1 ; Loss = Total of 8 Steps progession
where the problem???
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 04:03 PM 2018
1 los out of 1000
wrong assumption
won games =999 ; Proft earned 999 * 24 ; 24 is average
wrong average
here as you bet 12 chips going up to 8 steps progression
Lost game= 1
wrong assumption
; Loss = Total of 8 Steps progession
where the problem???
Quote from: Madi on Jan 04, 04:02 PM 2018
U dont need to test everything. Ur eyes can see the potential. Saying reality is not a naysayer.
You still need a working brain. :xd:
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 04:08 PM 2018; Loss = Total of 8 Steps progession
you funny !
1 out 1000 is wrong for you !
for me (within my test, i just need to issue a query to validate anything) i can say its true !
anywa, i dont want to fight with u ;)
cheers
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 04:10 PM 2018
you funny !
1 out 1000 is wrong for you !
for me (within my test) i can say its true !
anywa, i dont want to fight with u ;)
cheers
You made an interpretation mistake on your test result. Like I said I don't doubt your test result.
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 04:13 PM 2018
You made an interpretation mistake on your test result. Like I said I don't doubt your test result.
bro, if you trust my tests why you still jumping over my shoulders and say it doesnt win!
the probabilty for a miss is low and the hits are much higher
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 04:16 PM 2018
bro, if you trust my tests why you still jumping over my shoulders and say it doesnt win!
the probabilty for a miss is low and the hits are much higher
Trusting your test result is not the same as believing it wins betting Andre's way.
I'm trying to help here. Take time off then come back later to read your assumption -
1. 1000 games played
2. 999 games win
3. 1 loss
Is that what your test result tell you ?
Just point me to the nearest pop-corn factory.
we gonna get plenty of fun ;)
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 04:21 PM 2018
Trusting your test result is not the same as believing it wins betting Andre's way.
I'm trying to help here. Take time off the come back later to read your assumption -
1. 1000 games played
2. 999 games win
3. 1 loss
Is that what your test result tell you ?
I have found only 127 sequence that violates Andre's method in a DB that contains 100k spins
get the conclusion from this test by yourself
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 04:23 PM 2018
I have found only 127 sequence that violates Andre's method in a DB that contains 100k spins
get the conclusion from this test by yourself
I tried to help you, calm down and think through it again later.
I wonder if anyone else understand what I'm talking about. Never mind.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 04, 02:44 PM 2018
So you have 12 numbers in your selection. 8 step progression. HOPING the repeat come from those 12 and NOT from the next numbers. I can guarantee it will lose. Why? Been there and done that while breaking my head on the WTF thread last year. Sure you can go long without a loss. But after 1000 cycles you will be in a loss just as i was. Not dissing anyone but just telling what ive seen. :thumbsup:
Please read the thread.
I wait for 12 uniques and bet them.
Step 1: bet 12 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 2: bet 13 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 3: bet 14 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 4: bet 15 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
And so on...
I'm testing it playing real money. I know a table that allows 30 cents minimum bets.
I'm using a progression of 8 steps 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14.
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 04:26 PM 2018I tried to help you, calm down and think through it again later.
bro, i am eating popcorn right now, i am too much relaxed ;)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 04:27 PM 2018
bro, i am eating popcorn right now, i am too much relaxed ;)
If you do it correctly you can make the exact calculations to determine the outcome.
RB I'm not dissing you, just telling you what it is.
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 03:50 PM 2018
Roulettebeater, either you do the math to know it loses or you learn from a real money loss. Not dissing you or Andre.
CHT, let me ask you something!
If you dont trust the strategy then what are you doing here in this thread? This place is for sharing ideas and improving the strategy. You dont know which side you are on. One hour you say the strategy is great, and now all you do is criticize the strategy. What's up?
Andre,
i just did a new test, even with adding an additional number to the cycle every round, i have got 113 sequences that doesnt satisfy the method.
these 113 are considered total loss !
but remember that 113 or even 127 out of 100k is peanuts!!!!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 04, 04:35 PM 2018
CHT, let me ask you something!
If you dont trust the strategy then what are you doing here in this thread? This place is for sharing ideas and improving the strategy. You dont know which side you are on. One hour you say the strategy is great, and now all you do is criticize the strategy. What's up?
Read my post on your thread carefully.
I wrote all my post with details. There were no broadbrush assumptions made. I tell it as it should be. There are no sides to take except to be on the correct side of facts and reality.
Andre and RB, I'm trying to help here. Not in any way against either of you. At worst we can agree to disagree.
Final word, if you bet it optimally you will have a low risk high reward bet. Bet it with martingale style 8steps progression the math says it lose itlr.
I'm out of here. Good luck Andre with your bets.
tests showed that in 127 the 8 progression has busted and in 99873 a HIT has been achieved within the 8 steps progressions
how did you came out with your conculsion that using progression it will lose?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 04:52 PM 2018
tests showed that in 127 the 8 progression has busted and in 99873 a HIT has been achieved within the 8 steps progressions
how did you came out with your conculsion that using progression it will lose?
Like I said earlier, you made an error of interpretation. I can't help anymore than I have done on this thread.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 04:52 PM 2018
tests showed that in 127 the 8 progression has busted and in 99873 a HIT has been achieved within the 8 steps progressions
how did you came out with your conculsion that using progression it will lose?
The fact is: The method wins more than it loses.
I am playing this method for hours for several days and I haven't had losses so far.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 04, 04:58 PM 2018I'm playing this method for hours for several days and I've still had losses so far.
I believe you as well as my tests.
however the bot doesnt work properly on a play mode roulette table.
it has scanned all numbers correctly, but it doesnt place the chips on numbers when i click on BET
Quote from: denzie on Jan 04, 02:44 PM 2018
But after 1000 cycles you will be in a loss just as i was.
So the method is great!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 05:03 PM 2018
I believe you as well as my tests.
however the bot doesnt work properly on a play mode roulette table.
it has scanned all numbers correctly, but it doesnt place the chips on numbers when i click on BET
Please create a specific topic to talk about bots
The fact is that all methods can have losses. Even playing with computers you will have losses.
The important thing is that the strategy produce more wins than losses.
I'm still trying to improve the strategy, trying to find new ideas, new ways to play it.
I accept help and suggestions to it!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 04, 04:23 PM 2018
I have found only 127 sequence that violates Andre's method in a DB that contains 100k spins
get the conclusion from this test by yourself
May I make a request to test the following -
How many sequence per 100,000 spins for -
1. 12 unique
2. 13 unique
3. 14 unique
4. 15 unique
5. 16 unique
6. 17 unique
7. 18 unique
8. 19 unique
TQ for your help.
See link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/testing/ - basically days and weeks worth of spins is not significant. I won for around a year with a losing system, before I gave all and probably more back to the casino.
Hi Andre, please check my PM.
The grail is in you.. not the outside.. it's in your brain and your heart.
Find a system and testing with thousand spin, when it worth we go for real, and if we failed we get stuck and search another. Always try to beat the wheel that continous produce random.
This morning session +116unit.
"I'm the boss, i'm the future"
Do not try to beat the wheel.
Follow your heart, just do it.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 04, 06:29 PM 2018
See link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/testing/ - basically days and weeks worth of spins is not significant. I won for around a year with a losing system, before I gave all and probably more back to the casino.
Personal real money success of any size or length of time can never validate the system. It's lunacy to think otherwise !
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 11:26 PM 2018
Personal real money success of any size or length of time can never validate the system. It's lunacy to think otherwise !
CHT,
I thank you for all your cooperation in this thread. But it seems like now you're here just to disqualify the strategy. If you no longer want to help, then theres no reason for you to remain in this thread. I need people who support the strategy with new ideas.
Thanks
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 04, 01:16 AM 2018
ita Andre
For this to work we need lots of positive energy.
This fascinates me for two reasons:
Vaddis' system was similar to
this (and no one could figure it out)
Andre is very close to doing so imo.
There was another system involving tracking 24 spins
and 12 numbers hitting once in the next 12 spins.
(no one could figure the missing pieces in that one either)
Hey Proof,
Vaddis' system? What's it?
Is Vaddis someone name?
I just played for exactly 36 minutes using the strategy.
Profit of $45
Maximum progression 5 steps (1,1,2,3,4)
Not bad!
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Jan 04, 07:52 PM 2018
Hi Andre, please check my PM.
I will check it out!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 04, 11:36 PM 2018
CHT,
I thank you for all your cooperation in this thread. But it seems like now you're here just to disqualify the strategy. If you no longer want to help, then theres no reason for you to remain in this thread. I need people who support the strategy with new ideas.
Thanks
Again I'm not against your strategy, not Madi, not Denzie, not Steve. None of us posted here because we are against your strategy. There is no such thing as against or for someone.
I posted here because I believe your strategy to bet against unique is valid. My belief has grown stronger with the evidence I collected with the tests conducted.
You have a winning strategy, period. But you have to bet it optimally to realise this winning advantage. This is where we disagree.
You ask for help to improve your original idea, I gave this help. You mistook my help for attack because you fail to understand all that I have posted.
Now I am not surprise, I'm also certain that many lurkers on this thread do not understand what I wrote. I have grown wiser with real experience.
For the few of you who do understand, go make your money. I was in a generous mood to share this with you which I got from Andre himself.
So, if you want to thank someone thank Andre.
Andre, a big thank you sir for sharing a good idea. :thumbsup:
May you continue to win always.
cht
CHT
I respect you and your opinions. I respect all members of this forum. I really didnt understand everything you've posted, what you wrote. I wish have a cordial dialogue with you. If you can explain the modification you made to the strategy, I'd appreciate it.
Now I go to sleep. See you soon.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 04, 11:39 PM 2018
Hey Proof,
Vaddis' system? What's it?
Is Vaddis someone name?
Here's Vaddi's System
link:://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ae6h0r_Asp3AJ%3A:.money-maker-machine.com%2Fforum%2Fgeneral-discussion%2Fwish-i-could-openly-share-roulette-grail%2F%3Faction%3Dprintpage+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 05, 12:42 AM 2018
CHT
I respect you and your opinions. I respect all members of this forum. I really didnt understand everything you've posted, what you wrote. I wish have a cordial dialogue with you. If you can explain the modification you made to the strategy, I'd appreciate it.
Now I go to sleep. See you soon.
I don't take anything personal, I hope you or anyone else don't take my comments at personal level. If I mistakenly said something that offended you, I apologise it's not meant that way.
I can explain the modifications to the strategy.
But first we need RouletteBeater to do the test for us that I requested in post #196. This is the important missing info we need to validate the idea. I don't know the test results right now, I keep my fingers crossed that what I saw from the small probe test I conducted can be verified. If I'm wrong I will be open to admit my mistake.
RouletteBeater, pls make the test I requested on post #196. TQ
If you, RouletteBeater, Proofreader, 6th-sense and whoever else are interested combine our effort on this we can find the gold pot. Lets start with RB's test result, we will know from there.
Yes I think u need your idea testing too cht I understand what you are aiming at..you could lose 2 or more bankrolls from the off if you are unlucky way before you get ahead..test were shown as if you won on 1st spin to one loss...in a 1000 spins profit would vary depending on stage in progression .i have seen 23 unique numbers myself yesterday on William hill live casino I would rather risk the units your proposing even if waiting time is longer..on paper and rbs test look great but if it fails I wouldn’t want all that time and effort of playing for that length of time to go out of the window..less units to lose would be better.. method is great ..but units risked aren’t..no disrespect to anyone
Quote from: Steve on Jan 04, 06:29 PM 2018
Basically days and weeks worth of spins is not significant. I won for around a year with a losing system, before I gave all and probably more back to the casino.
This. If you dont code or can't find anyone that can do this for you, you guys that test this will never find out if this will work or not.
An example of a system I created. It did good on manually testing and then I decided to code it and it did good at start before it went south.
I attach a graph of it. Even if it still in plus after 200k spins this is a loser because if i started playing after 100k spins I would never be in profit.
Make sure to test properly.
Quote from: celescliff on Jan 05, 03:21 AM 2018
This. If you dont code or can't find anyone that can do this for you, you guys that test this will never find out if this will work or not.
An example of a system I created. It did good on manually testing and then I decided to code it and it did good at start before it went south.
I attach a graph of it. Even if it still in plus after 200k spins this is a loser because if i started playing after 100k spins I would never be in profit.
Make sure to test properly.
celescliff, can you pls help make the test that I requested on post #196 including unique 20. TQ
Quote from: cht on Jan 05, 03:24 AM 2018
celescliff, can you pls help make the test that I requested on post #196 including unique 20. TQ
Sorry, but since I got my second child the little time I spend on the computer I only focus on me.
You can try contact normy2000 or spin_dizzy if they still around.
Good luck.
Quote from: celescliff on Jan 05, 03:50 AM 2018
Sorry, but since I got my second child the little time I spend on the computer I only focus on me.
You can try contact normy2000 or spin_dizzy if they still around.
Good luck.
I understand and appreciate your reply. TQ.
normy2000 do visit sometime but not active posting. spin_dizzy don't know if he's around. The other guy is Nickmsi if they are willing to help. Else it's end of the road.
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 05:34 PM 2018
May I make a request to test the following -
How many sequence per 100,000 spins for -
1. 12 unique
2. 13 unique
3. 14 unique
4. 15 unique
5. 16 unique
6. 17 unique
7. 18 unique
8. 19 unique
TQ for your help.
I ll do that for you :)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 05, 07:27 AM 2018
I ll do that for you :)
TQ bro, lets work together on this. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 05, 07:27 AM 2018
I ll do that for you :)
Thanks, I'm waiting. You and I will work together. CHT will work with madi.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 05, 07:27 AM 2018
I ll do that for you :)
RouletteBeater let's talk private.
I'll request to close this thread.
Don't post here the test that CHT hás requested.
CHT is cheating on me. Take a look at the other thread.
RouletteBeater check your pm
CHT is stoling my idea to work with Madi.
Don't post the test results here.
@steve
Can you delete my account and the thread, please?
Andre Chass you have to take it more easy on your self and start ignore does who not has the same agenda as your self.
Is hard at the beginning but great freedom when you apply it - you get great mental strength.
Andre Chass i been around for many years and i would not hang around with all my mix feelings about some topics and members - if i not started to ignore does who has not the same agenda as my self.
I like to develop new ideas and play both online and in real casino and know you can win more then you lose among other things.
The funny thing Andre Chass is even when some one succes winning 30K playing the worse house edge and base the selection on gamblers fallacy - no sayers continue saying it can not be done - even when there is several winning reports from several gamblers the no sayers continue to argue.
So you have to take it for what it is - even if you succed and have a winning method they will continue to claim it can not be done and run a billion trails to see the system fail and say - you see it fail - but we all know all methods fail - but making for example 30K and bust and end up with 28K is no big deal - system fail and you still have won more then your bankroll is several times in a row.
So skip the garbage talk and continue with what you do and don't worry so much about others.
If you are sensetiv and care about what other say about you and your methods you will not last for long.
You need to learn who you talk to and who is your friend who want to discuss and furhter develop your ideas.
The other side and no sayers you just ignore there existing and there replys.
Cheers
Quote from: denzie on Jan 05, 02:05 PM 2018
What HG you gonna create next week ? Betting 1 number with a 400 step progression? You just to dumb to understand people try help you .And no i dont kiss losers. Sorry
Then kiss Steve's ass, he is the only winner here ;)
Im joking :)
Guys please calm down, like that we going nowhere
I have not read the entire topic.
Unfortunately, the first page is a reference to the simulation of 1.8 million spins.
If this simulation was true, all that remains is to create a bot that will play the casino rng.
The only problem is that that i think the author did it on spins without a zero.
Because the speech is there about betvoyager.
Quote from: ego on Jan 05, 11:58 AM 2018
Andre Chass you have to take it more easy on your self and start ignore does who not has the same agenda as your self.
Is hard at the beginning but great freedom when you apply it - you get great mental strength.
Andre Chass i been around for many years and i would not hang around with all my mix feelings about some topics and members - if i not started to ignore does who has not the same agenda as my self.
I like to develop new ideas and play both online and in real casino and know you can win more then you lose among other things.
The funny thing Andre Chass is even when some one succes winning 30K playing the worse house edge and base the selection on gamblers fallacy - no sayers continue saying it can not be done - even when there is several winning reports from several gamblers the no sayers continue to argue.
So you have to take it for what it is - even if you succed and have a winning method they will continue to claim it can not be done and run a billion trails to see the system fail and say - you see it fail - but we all know all methods fail - but making for example 30K and bust and end up with 28K is no big deal - system fail and you still have won more then your bankroll is several times in a row.
So skip the garbage talk and continue with what you do and don't worry so much about others.
If you are sensetiv and care about what other say about you and your methods you will not last for long.
You need to learn who you talk to and who is your friend who want to discuss and furhter develop your ideas.
The other side and no sayers you just ignore there existing and there replys.
Cheers
Ego,
Thanks for the advice! Youre a nice guy.
I'll ignore those *XXX* who think they're "experts". They think they own the truth. I will be back to the topic and try to improve the strategy with new ideas and I ask for support to those interested in this method.
(modified by mod)
So let's get back to the topic and try to improve the strategy.
PS: if you don't like it, get out of here.
If you want to help with new ideas to improve the strategy, YOU ARE WELCOME!
I'm getting many private messages. I thank everyone for the support and I will answer them as soon as I can.
Thank you all
And hopefully you will cool down as well. Thank you.
Let's keep the discussion friendly. Please.
I warned some privately.
Hi Andre, Hi Guys.
I am testing this Method again, the result is awesome... this method seems very successful if the progression can jump to 12 steps.
8 Steps = 113/100k
9 Steps=47/100k
10 Steps=10/100K
I have programmed the testsing logic:
AND r13.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num)
AND r14.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num,r13.num )
AND r15.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num,r13.num,r14.num)
AND r16.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num,r13.num,r14.num,r15.num )
AND r17.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num,r13.num,r14.num,r15.num,r16.num)
AND r18.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num,r13.num,r14.num,r15.num,r16.num,r17.num)
AND r19.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num,r13.num,r14.num,r15.num,r16.num,r17.num,r18.num)
AND r20.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num,r13.num,r14.num,r15.num,r16.num,r17.num,r18.num,r19.num)
AND r21.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num,r13.num,r14.num,r15.num,r16.num,r17.num,r18.num,r19.num,r20.num)
AND r22.num <> (r1.num,r2.num,r3.num,r4.num,r5.num,r6.num,r7.num,r8.num,r9.num,r10.num,r11.num,r12.num,r13.num,r14.num,r15.num,r16.num,r17.num,r18.num,r19.num,r20.num,r21.num);
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 06, 10:12 AM 2018
Hi Andre, Hi Guys.
I am testing this Method again, the result is awesome... this method seems very successful if the progression can jump to 12 steps.
8 Steps = 113/100k
9 Steps=47/100k
10 Steps=10/100K
Thank you, RouletteBeater!
I'm trying to figure it out how to play it flatbet or with a mild progression.
I've tested the method playing with 8 numbers too.
PS: If someone here don't like the way I'm trying to play it, please be kind. If you want just give me suggestions without attacking me.
I wish all forum members a nice week!
Peace
Ok, the premise is that we dont need to and we will not win every cycle unless we use an absurdly long progression with the risk of blowing up the bankroll. We all know that in average 24 single number appears in 37 spins. My dilemma is: What is the best way to bet waiting for a repeat? Betting on four? six? or twelve uniques? I also think it's essential to use a smooth progression. But from which moment to use the progression? Im doing a lot of tests based on this method using the RX but I have not come to a conclusion yet.
Some help?
Some help ? Why change your current systemS ? :lol:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 09, 12:50 PM 2018
Ok, the premise is that we dont need to and we will not win every cycle
This in the only smart thing you ever posted here!
Denzie leave me alone, please.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 09, 12:50 PM 2018
Ok, the premise is that we dont need to and we will not win every cycle unless we use an absurdly long progression with the risk of blowing up the bankroll. We all know that in average 24 single number appears in 37 spins. My dilemma is: What is the best way to bet waiting for a repeat? Betting on four? six? or twelve uniques? I also think it's essential to use a smooth progression. But from which moment to use the progression? Im doing a lot of tests based on this method using the RX but I have not come to a conclusion yet.
Some help?
There is no conclusion to this.
First mistake: "on average" The average is a lie. it is only right at about 22%.
Second mistake: If you bet any sort of numbers you will always have the same mathematical probability:
4 numbers: 4/37
6 numbers: 6/37
12 numbers: 12/37
and so on.
The best way to have a hit on repeaters is the following:
Watch all tables and croupiers. If the croupier or the table shows repeaters back to back: bet all numbers back to back.
On all other betselections referring to LoTT, the math will catch you.
A few days ago at betselection.cc were free systems.
I played one and to my surprise, after several hundred spins on RNG the result was positive, the whole strategy is intended for a live wheel and it should work on them way better than rng.
If I have some time, I will try play on live spins.
The assumptions of this strategy are quite good, we play hot sectors and only 4 numbers.
If the flat results oscillate around zero, it is always possible to think of some good progression.
Quote from: winkel on Jan 09, 01:29 PM 2018
There is no conclusion to this.
First mistake: "on average" The average is a lie. it is only right at about 22%.
Second mistake: If you bet any sort of numbers you will always have the same mathematical probability:
4 numbers: 4/37
6 numbers: 6/37
12 numbers: 12/37
and so on.
The best way to have a hit on repeaters is the following:
Watch all tables and croupiers. If the croupier or the table shows repeaters back to back: bet all numbers back to back.
On all other betselections referring to LoTT, the math will catch you.
Winkel, and what about TurboGenius statement?
He is wrong?
Thanks in advance!
"Here's a rough example using something everyone knows already - that law of thirds or whatever fancy name it has now (I think everything is packaged in 3 letter catch-phrases now ?).
Spin of cycles of 37 spins over and over and over until your balls hurt.
Tell me how many numbers appear once, twice, three times, not at all - etc.
I don't have to do this, I can tell you it's going to be damn near 24 numbers appearing
and 13 not appearing (on average... and yes it's a little off but I rounded stuff for the sake of the post). You can do this over and over. The total amount of numbers that appear will end up being 24...20...28...20...24...25...25...24...20....19....24 go on until you're tired - you'll end up with an incredible amount of cycles where it's 24.
Now think of the math of the game as it's commonly stated.
Any number has a 1 in 37 chance of appearing during a cycle of spins.
That means that any number on average will show up once per 37 spins.... we can all agree with this right ?
But no.. as you can test and prove to yourself - 24 numbers appear on average every 37 spins, not 37. There never will be 37 possible outcomes... just because there are 37 numbers and 37 spins in a cycle and each spin is independent - there will never be 37 numbers that show once and no repeats.
Now grab the eraser and make it every number has a 1 in 24 chance of appearing ?
You could do this or you could take this info and look into repeaters....
I said it until I'm blue in other posts. A number can't show twice unless it's shown once, it can't show 3 times unless it's shown twice, etc..
And most importantly - you can never lose a single unit on any number that doesn't appear because you never bet on it."
Last time my numbers:
from 1,040,000 37spin cycles
there are only 211,766 cycles with 24 numbers appeared
the LOTT says the correct average is 13 unhit (or14????) 14 once appeared (or 13??????) and 10 repeaters.
The LOTT combination appeared only 41,013 times.( about 5-6%)
You have to decide whom you will believe.
I still think this is a decent repeater method....
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15715.0
Quote from: JimmieB on Jan 09, 05:11 PM 2018
I still think this is a decent repeater method....
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15715.0
Thanks a lot!
I will study the method.
Are you still playing it? How about the results?
Denzie, please stop busting Andre's balls. You dont have to agree with or like anyone, but please stop the snide comments towards him.
Quote from: winkel on Jan 09, 04:52 PM 2018
Last time my numbers:
from 1,040,000 37spin cycles
there are only 211,766 cycles with 24 numbers appeared
the LOTT says the correct average is 13 unhit (or14????) 14 once appeared (or 13??????) and 10 repeaters.
The LOTT combination appeared only 41,013 times.( about 5-6%)
You have to decide whom you will believe.
Thanks for the stats winkel, I appreciate it.
I have tested this method based on the Vaddis Method. Still requires a lot of testing.
"If you are betting on 8 numbers and they are not hit, then you would remove the oldest number in your 8-set and add the number that just landed. So, you are changing your 8-number by one number after each wheel spin.
That means that each number of your 8-number set is placed 8 times on the table.
There are only two phases:
* 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 (stepped sequence)
* 8-blocks
For 8-blocks example: say you miss all 8 of ...
2
7
9
12
16
3
36
29
Let's say that the last number landed that missed your 8-set is 20.
Then your next 8-bet is ...
20
2
7
9
12
16
3
36
If you now get a hit on 12, your next 8-bet is ...
12
20
2
7
9
12
16
3
However, in this 8-set, you have the same #12, appearing twice, so you actually bet on ...
12, 20, 2, 7, 9, 16, 3 = 7 numbers
So, before you start playing, you look at your bankroll and make a note of the amount.
You begin at the beginning: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8. If you increase your bankroll or break even at this stage, you go back to the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 process and place a single bet on the last landed number that made you win or break even.
If you lose the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 process, you are then at the block stage as described previously:
2
7
9
12
16
3
36
29
etc.
Also, if you break even or increase your bankroll at the block stage in comparison to what your bankroll was at the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 stage, then go back to 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 where you will begin all over again by placing a single chip on the last landed number.
The 37-spin cycle is not of the greatest importance as such, because you can play the system for long period sessions. However, you should make a profit within 185 spins.
Also, for your own knowledge and understanding, it's a good idea to see how your bankroll performs every 37 spins (= 37 bets in terms of single and group bets) and up to the range of 185 spins (= 185 bets in terms of single and group bets).
Of course, 185 = 37 x (5 cycles)
I've played up to 296 spins (8 cycles) and discovered that doing so is a waste of time because better and faster profits are within 24 - 74 spins.
I would say keep the spins below 185 = (5 cycles). You don't have to go this far as a regular occurrence."
Quote from: winkel on Jan 09, 01:29 PM 2018
There is no conclusion to this.
First mistake: "on average" The average is a lie. it is only right at about 22%.
Second mistake: If you bet any sort of numbers you will always have the same mathematical probability:
4 numbers: 4/37
6 numbers: 6/37
12 numbers: 12/37
and so on.
The best way to have a hit on repeaters is the following:
Watch all tables and croupiers. If the croupier or the table shows repeaters back to back: bet all numbers back to back.
On all other betselections referring to LoTT, the math will catch you.
Quote from: winkel on Jan 09, 04:52 PM 2018
Last time my numbers:
from 1,040,000 37spin cycles
there are only 211,766 cycles with 24 numbers appeared
the LOTT says the correct average is 13 unhit (or14????) 14 once appeared (or 13??????) and 10 repeaters.
The LOTT combination appeared only 41,013 times.( about 5-6%)
You have to decide whom you will believe.
I was playing around this, gut trot and Vaddis 8-set numbers. I believe these methods are individually partially right, there are weaknesses in all individual methods. That's why when we play these methods we find that they don't stand up itlr. What if we look at what is right in each method of play, understand in depth, isolate and extract the part that gave the advantage, then put them all together in an optimisation process it may work well enough to give us a viable winning method.
Ofc it's extracting ideas from various source methods posted on forums, so the original part of this idea is - to correctly extract the advantage part of various methods, re-calibrate them, put them together in an optimal manner, then fashion a betselection together with money management to form the complete new optimised method.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 09, 08:38 PM 2018
I have tested this method based on the Vaddis Method. Still requires a lot of testing.
No testing needed. Just open your eyes. Internet-Casinos offer a quickbet: Last 5 or last 10 numbers.
What do you think why do they do that? Because there is an advantage to the player or there is an advantage to house?
It doesn´t matter if you take 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, ...10,... 24,... 36 numbers. That will make no difference.
Quote from: winkel on Jan 09, 04:52 PM 2018
Last time my numbers:
from 1,040,000 37spin cycles
there are only 211,766 cycles with 24 numbers appeared
the LOTT says the correct average is 13 unhit (or14????) 14 once appeared (or 13??????) and 10 repeaters.
The LOTT combination appeared only 41,013 times.( about 5-6%)
You have to decide whom you will believe.
Winkel, I have a lot of respect for you. I know you're an experienced player and I admire that. But you contradict yourself by saying that I have to choose who to believe:
In you or TurboGenius. You have created the GUT method that is based on the law of the third.
TG also uses the same "law" to play roulette.
May I ask if you no longer believe in your own method? Thank you in advance.
link:://:.spam.org/2017/01/great-universal-theory-gut-system-by.html
"GREAT UNIVERSAL THEORY (G.U.T.) SYSTEM BY WINKEL
G.U.T. STRATEGY IN A NUTSHELL
This is one of the most talked about and cryptic roulette strategies and it is based on the law of the third â€" meaning that, on average, in 36 spins one third of the numbers hits once, one third hits more than once and one third doesn’t hit.
Method: Basically GUT revolves around one major bet. Smaller bets are also available.
In a nutshell, (the major bet) you have un-hit and hit once (or more) numbers.
Un-hit // Hit
36 0 (when you start playing)
Main bet
As the numbers come in, the unhit numbers will decrease and the hit numbers will increase.
(You have to keep track of the unhit ones (which ones they are)
Unhit // Hit (example)
15 15
or
16 15
Now, when the unhit numbers equal total hit numbers (preferably 18 numbers or less) it is time to bet all of the un-hit numbers one time.
Smaller bets
Of the hit numbers, you can wager when once hit, twice hit or more equal each other…
Example:
Once hit // Twice Hit
8 8
You would bet the 8 once hit numbers (one time)"
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 10, 08:02 AM 2018
... [/b]You have created the GUT method that is based on the law of the third.
TG also uses the same "law" to play roulette.
May I ask if you no longer believe in your own method? Thank you in advance.
.
That GUT is "based" on LoTT is the interpretation of others. (mostly haters).
I refer to the
binomial distribution, Kolmogorov and Markov.
LoTT is a wrongly compressed part of the distribution.
Nice to see ya Guv, Winkel.
If you have 50 to 60 spins, what is reference point, spin 37
Thanks
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 10, 08:53 AM 2018
Nice to see ya Guv, Winkel.
If you have 50 to 60 spins, what is reference point, spin 37
Thanks
you´re joking, aren´t you?
What is the difference:
The LoTT tells that 24 different numbers appear at spin 37
and
Reference at spin 37:
Sleepers 13# or 14#, once-hit 14# or 13#, twice hit 7#, 3 times hit 3#
and if we have 17# unhit I tell we have a slow trot.
and if we have 9# unhit we have a fast trot.
and either each has an effect to all other groups.
Now I´m off again.
If people hate to think and try to understand what I say, I leave them in their unconsciousness
Quote from: winkel on Jan 10, 09:09 AM 2018you´re joking, aren´t you? I was being facetious
You said to me in GUT as long as LoTT is present then its a fair RNG, this comment has been true for me. If you can see the trot you should be able to find the repeat.
I don't worry about LoTT to much, i'm more watching spins 11-40, that with collected data has an average of 15 point something non-hit numbers, so drop the point thats 15 non-hit in 30 spins. 15 non-hit and 15 repeat.
Below is a game posted 22/2/17 in MPR spins for dexter.
So spins 1-10 gave 10 non-hit, we expect 15 more in spins 11-40, so 10+15=25 non-hit, perfect
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/01/10/temp_181901.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/nW89)
Now i'll leave you alone
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 10, 09:52 AM 2018
You said to me in GUT as long as LoTT is present then its a fair RNG, this comment has been true for me. If you can see the trot you should be able to find the repeat.
I didn´t say that in one of the GUT-Threads, I said it when I posted my strategy "Pump it up"
Quote from: winkel on Jan 10, 08:37 AM 2018
That GUT is "based" on LoTT is the interpretation of others. (mostly haters).
I refer to the binomial distribution, Kolmogorov and Markov.
LoTT is a wrongly compressed part of the distribution.
Winkel, may I ask you what's your best shot? Your ultimate repeats method?
Quote from: cht on Jan 03, 01:46 PM 2018
Anyway, just sharing an idea with Andre that instead of randomly play the 1st 12 unique when you are at the table, play the 12 unique immediately after the 16 unique has happened with a shorter 4steps progression.
Hey CHT, let's work on your idea?
RouletteBeater, nottophammer, proofreader and everyone who wants to collaborate.
Thanks for the invite Andre :d
How about working with six uniques?
It could expand to 12, but if we
could get hits with fewer numbers...
What's the hell going on here ?
I told you that at max a 24 uniques can appear, so either you get ready for 12 progressions or you wait for 16 or whatever uniques and bet up to the limit (24).
Cht's suggesting to wait for 16 uniques then bet 4 that makes 20.
Isn't going to change anything, is the same as andre's way !!!
24 is NOT the limit. But anyway playing to any limit will get your a$$ kicked in roulette. Its a old known fact.
Seriously guys....if it was that easy... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 10, 12:34 PM 2018
Hey CHT, let's work on your idea?
RouletteBeater, nottophammer, proofreader and everyone who wants to collaborate.
From my small sample test I found there's frequency spike for repeat in the spin after 17 unique and the spin after 19 unique. If this observation can be validated through large sample test then this can be exploited with flat bets at those 2 specific spots.
This explains for my request for test at each level. This test is tricky in that it gives the result on a rolling basis. This means that there has to be a delimiter set to remove this phenomena for it to be meaningful else it's just a next best guesstimate.
This is as far that I'll go with this approach to play repeaters.
Good luck with your efforts here.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 10, 01:13 PM 2018
Thanks for the invite Andre :d
How about working with six uniques?
It could expand to 12, but if we
could get hits with fewer numbers...
Ok, we play with six uniques. But what about the progression and stop loss?
Have you tried this way?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 10, 01:19 PM 2018
What's the hell going on here ?
I told you that at max a 24 uniques can appear, so either you get ready for 12 progressions or you wait for 16 or whatever uniques and bet up to the limit (24).
Cht's suggesting to wait for 16 uniques then bet 4 that makes 20.
PS: If I add a number in each step, I will have to correct the progression.
Isn't going to change anything, is the same as andre's way !!!
I understand you. I'll try to play as the CHT suggested. I'll wait for 16 unique and start betting. But I'll keep the same progression. 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14. (8 steps). So it go to 24 numbers.
I know a table with a minimum bet of 30 cents. So if it burst, the damage will not be as significant.
Well, I never saw 24 uniques in a row. So I will try it.
PS: If I add a number in each step, I will have to correct the progression.
Quote from: cht on Jan 10, 02:42 PM 2018
From my small sample test I found there's frequency spike for repeat in the spin after 17 unique and the spin after 19 unique. If this observation can be validated through large sample test then this can be exploited with flat bets at those 2 specific spots.
CHT, can you explain more about play flatbet in these steps?
One does not reach you.
Such strategies will have to play on the RNG, because it will take a lot of waiting on the live wheel.
Such a strategy for virtual limits with progression will be immediately killed by the casino software.
Even if it seems unlikely to be probable, software dont giva f ...
Quote from: ozon on Jan 10, 05:12 PM 2018
One does not reach you.
Such strategies will have to play on the RNG, because it will take a lot of waiting on the live wheel.
Such a strategy for virtual limits with progression will be immediately killed by the casino software.
Even if it seems unlikely to be probable, software dont giva f ...
This strategy can not be applied to RNG tables.
I'll watch 8 live wheels simultaneously.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 10, 03:40 PM 2018
Ok, we play with six uniques. But what about the progression and stop loss?
Have you tried this way?
Yes, looks good so far
Track until you have six Black or Red uniques (whichever collected first)
bet those six for up to six spins. Stop on a win or after six consecutive misses.
If all six miss at 1x progression restart steps,
gathering Black and Red uniques at 2x progression...
If win at 2x prog restart at 1x progression. End when in profit.
Stop if 1x and 2x miss (12 consecutive misses.)
Bankroll: 18 units per session
So good so far!
I played like Cht suggest. I waited for 16 unique with 1 repeat max.
Then I betted the 12 unique.
Max progression went to 5 steps 1,1,2,3,4 (only one cycle). Table with minimum bet of $1
8 cycles, $168 of profit.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 11, 01:23 AM 2018
So good so far!
I played like Cht suggest. I waited for 16 unique with 1 repeat max.
Then I betted the 12 unique.
Max progression went to 5 steps 1,1,2,3,4 (only one cycle). Table with minimum bet of $1
8 cycles, $168 of profit.
If I remember well, this is not what cht suggested, he asked us to wait for 16 uniques and bet only 4 steps progression, your test scenario proved that you went over 4 steps !!!!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 11, 02:38 AM 2018
If I remember well, this is not what cht suggested, he asked us to wait for 16 uniques and bet only 4 steps progression, your test scenario proved that you went over 4 steps !!!!
Yes you right! He suggested wait for 16 unique and a ONLY 4 step progression.
I was ready to use a 10 step progression but it wasn't necessary. It went to 5.
I liked this method and will continue betting using it.
Theres something in this strategy that I have to solve. A few minutes ago I was playing using the strategy when I realized that even using an autoclicker it's very difficult to use the progression on live wheels. The tables allow only 20 seconds to place the bets. The progression 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14 is very difficult to use. I can use the progression up to 6 chips per number using the autoclicker. From that point the autoclicker can't be quick enough to place the bets.
Place 14 chips on 20 numbers is impossible even using the autoclicker.
So the max progression has to be 6 steps.
1,1,2,3,4,6... x9,14x
There is only one way which permits you placing such multi steps progressions, it's by saving a favourite bet !!!
I've already thought about it, however in every step of the progression I have to add a number. Even in this way it is hard to use a long progression. Try it for yourself and see what I'm talking about.
However I still did not have to go that far in progression.
I also think the best way to play this strategy is to get 16 uniques and use a progression of only 4 steps.1,2,3,4.
That is, you only lose if it shows 20 uniques in a row.
I think a stoploss is needed.
I'm playing that way and I'm getting good results.
PS: getting 16 uniques in A ROW and bet them waiting for a repeat using a four step progression.
In each step of the progression you add the last number shown
You get 16 uniques in a row whit max 1 repeat in the selection.
So you bet 16 numbers. No hit, 17. No hit, 18. No hit, 19. No hit 20 numbers.
End session if in profit in one of the steps.
End session if after 20 uniques without a repeat.
You can play the strategy with less numbers. 6 or 8 or 12.
Your choice!
Get in mind that you don't have and don't need to win every session.
But you have to win more then you lose.
PS: If a repeat doesn't appear after for example 20 uniques, you end the progression/session but you should stay with the same selection of numbers betting with a different 4 step progression.
So you go to 21, 22, 23, 24 numbers.
Another example:
You've decided that you want to bet only 8 numbers using a 4 step progression.
So you get 8 uniques in a row an bet them using the 4 steps progression waiting for a repeat.
So bet 8. No hit, 9. No hit, 10. No hit 11. No hit 12.
End session if in a profit in one of the steps.
End session/progression if you got no repeat.
But you stay with the same selection of numbers and bet them with a different 4 step progression.
So you go to 13, 14, 15, 16 numbers.
Stop when you get a repeat
End session/progression but stay with the same selection.
A nice weekend to all forum members!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 12, 05:28 PM 2018
A nice weekend to all forum members!
Just out of curiosity, why have you gotten so enthralled of late with this particular method?
How are you currently doing with the Romanowsky strategy (betting on 32 numbers and leaving 5 numbers uncovered) that netted you nearly $20k? Is it not working any more?
If possible, provide an update on it.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 13, 08:10 AM 2018
Just out of curiosity, why have you gotten so enthralled of late with this particular method?
How are you currently doing with the Romanowsky strategy (betting on 32 numbers and leaving 5 numbers uncovered) that netted you nearly $20k? Is it not working any more?
If possible, provide an update on it.
Yes, it's working! I play this way once a day bet leaving a sector of the wheel uncovered. I'm near to $30k.
And about repeats, I like to play systems just for fun.
I'm having a lot of fun playing it and I'm having good profits.
Is this strategy a fallacy? Who knows! Maybe yes, maybe no!
Someone who has made 30k so far with a system shouldnt bother himself trying a new one !
Once a disciple asked his wise:
- What is the secret of happiness?
And the wise replied: - It is not to argue!
The disciple: - I dont agree with your answer!
The wise: - You're right!
Hi Andre , maybe you like this method.
Not sure if you will have enough time to place bets.
Wait for this event/trigger :
Ex:
29 virtual play
4 L1 not hit the last number and the two neighbors
14 L2 not hit the last numbers and their neighbors
30 L3 not hit the last numbers and their neighbors
13 L4 not hit the last numbers and their neighbors
this 4 Ls are the trigger , now bet once on that last 5 numbers and
their two neighbors, so 15 numbers.
32 L (real lose) bet the 15 +the last and his two neighbors, so 18 numbers
24 L (real L) bet the 18 + the last and his neighbors, so 21 numbers
3 L ( real L) bet the 21 +the last and his neighbors, so 24 numbers
7 W ( if lose take the lose)
Progressions (for online):
1. 0,10 x 15 -1,5 +2,1
2. 0,20 x 18 -5,1 +2,1
3. 0,50 x 21 -15,6 +2,4
4. 2 x 24 -63,6 +8,4
Can use other unit sizes.
The law of the third
In 37 spins we have an avarage of 24 numbers showed and 12 should be repeats.
In 20 spins there are more 17 spins to go and half of them should be repeats.
So we wait for 20 spins with max 4 repeats.
Then we start betting on 21st spin all the numbers that showed using a soft progression.
Reset the game after a win and start a new session.
I'm testing bet this way and I'm having good results.
PS: we have to add every number that appears.
So we wait for 20 spins and bet them waiting for a repeat. No hit, add the number.
I have not gone beyond 23 spins so far.
But how to place the bets? Too many numbers?
Two options: RNG (I don't trust it) or use an autoclicker (like Im doing) to play live dealers.
I forgot to say something...
We will wait for 20 spins and bet all numbers that showed but we will take off the repeaters and bet on 21st spin.
So in 20 spins we have for example 4 repeaters. We will bet only on 12 uniques numbers on 21st spin.
(4 repeaters = 8 numbers) 20 - 8 = 12 numbers to bet.
I'm trying to figure out the best way to play repeats, but it seems nobody give me a crap... Lol :(
Some suggestions, some help? please
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 15, 11:06 PM 2018
I'm trying to figure out the best way to play repeats, but it seems nobody give me a crap... Lol :(
Some suggestions, some help? please
Hi, Forum is full of notto's words of wisdom with hundreds of examples and sample data. study it.
Stick to what's working best for you and stop asking too much questions, you have marked yourself a winner with your 30k profit.
;)
Quote from: sugtips on Jan 16, 03:28 AM 2018
Hi, Forum is full of notto's words of wisdom with hundreds of examples and sample data. study it.
I already do that. Im a teacher and I'm unemployed I have a lot of time to study.
Finally I got my own HG!
I thank all members of the forum!
A clue
30
37
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 15, 05:49 PM 2018
PS: we have to add every number that appears.
So we wait for 20 spins and bet them waiting for a repeat. No hit, add the number.
I have not gone beyond 23 spins so far.
Hi
If you don't hit on 21 or 22 spin, how do you bet? Are you using progression?
PS: My "Holy Grail is not in this thread or another forum.
HG doesnt means that we win all the time, but we win more than we lose
I studied many hours a day for months. Im an unemployed teacher, so I had all the time in the world for this.
I thought of all the possibilities, all the ways, all the chances. I've tested it over again and again and again.
You may think I'm bluffing, but I'm not.
Now I know it's true, it's possible!
TG is right!
Now I know it's possible to know what numbers to play. And it works 99%.
It works flatbet but its better using a positive progression.
Why positive?
Because we know it won't fail.
ok Andre ..... can you tell more
thanks
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 16, 05:39 PM 2018
A clue
30
37
Are you hinting to track numbers until spin 30 of the cycle, then bet for repeaters.
I think it would be very rare to not have (one or both) of these situations occur from spin 31 to 37
A) a number with 2 hits, wins a 3rd time
B) a number with 3 hits, wins a 4th time
Stopping when in profit and restart a new cycle.
Andre, how close was my guess ?
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Jan 16, 11:02 PM 2018
Are you hinting to track numbers until spin 30 of the cycle, then bet for repeaters.
I think it would be very rare to not have (one or both) of these situations occur from spin 31 to 37
B) a number with 3 hits, wins a 4th time
A 4th hit occurs 49% of the time in 37 spins. So iow its not rare to NOT happen.
Catching a 3th hit is much more profitable from spin 20-30
:thumbsup:
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Jan 16, 11:02 PM 2018
Are you hinting to track numbers until spin 30 of the cycle, then bet for repeaters.
I think it would be very rare to not have (one or both) of these situations occur from spin 31 to 37
A) a number with 2 hits, wins a 3rd time
B) a number with 3 hits, wins a 4th time
Stopping when in profit and restart a new cycle.
Andre, how close was my guess ?
Not even close.
Try to understand what happens at 24, 30 and 37 spins. When you figure it out you'll get the HG and you won't need another strategy.
Forget for a moment KTF, WTF, Vaddi's strategy. (They are good strategies), but... Think outside the box.
Based on LOTT,16, 20, and 24 numbers should have hit...??
Let me guess this, Andre
The law of the third say that in 37 spins you will get 24 numbers hit and 12 are missed.
So I guess you are waiting until spin 20/24 and checking what numbers have appeared and you gonna bet them all at once.
Did I guess the HG ?
Bye
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 16, 04:02 PM 2018
Finally I got my own HG!
I thank all members of the forum!
Wow your on a roll. Thats your 3th HG in 2 months. Im impressed.
Now the question....is it playable in B&M ?
Quote from: denzie on Jan 17, 04:21 AM 2018
Wow your on a roll. Thats your 3th HG in 2 months. Im impressed.
Now the question....is it playable in B&M ?
Denzie, plz don't piss Andre off.
He is gonna share his new method with us
Bye
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 04:44 AM 2018
Denzie, plz don't piss Andre off.
He is gonna share his new method with us
Bye
Sorry. Was out there before i know it. :twisted:
So RB.... how about your amazing results playing till spin 20 ????
Anyway i wont disturb here.... carry on pls
Quote from: denzie on Jan 17, 05:25 AM 2018
Sorry. Was out there before i know it. :twisted:
So RB.... how about your amazing results playing till spin 20 ????
Anyway i wont disturb here.... carry on pls
Well I didn't play yet.
All what i did is testing the method against a huge amount of data, but it seems Andre has added some improvements to the original method that made him call it the unbeatable "HG"
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 03:01 AM 2018
Let me guess this, Andre
The law of the third say that in 37 spins you will get 24 numbers hit and 12 are missed.
So I guess you are waiting until spin 20/24 and checking what numbers have appeared and you gonna bet them all at once.
Did I guess the HG ?
Bye
Sorry, not even close.
For the first time I'm saying that I got my "Holy Grail". And I can tell it's really impressive!
-It wins flatbet. (I like to use a progression to win more faster. I call it a positive progression because it's a short progression and it won't fail).
-it's not a waiting game (we play as soon as we enter the casino).
-The strategy is not here in this forum and nowhere else.
-Yes, it uses the LOTT.
-Using the strategy you know what numbers to play, how many numbers to play and when to play.
-It works 99%.
-When you win the cycle you restart it.
I studied many hours a day for months.
I thought all the possibilities, all the ways, all the chances. I've tested it over again and again and again.
After going through this thread I was able to get a final conclusion of all my study.
Sleepless nights and a lot of effort on it.
Forget betting the first 12 uniques, forget using long progression, forget covering the table playing a sector of the wheel. Its all a mistake.
I will say it again. It's really impressive!
This forum has helped me a lot, but I no longer need to look for a strategy.
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 17, 10:35 AM 2018
For the first time I'm saying that I got my "Holy Grail". And I can tell it's really impressive!
-It wins flatbet. (I like to use a progression to win more faster. I call it a positive progression because it's a short progression and it won't fail).
-it's not a waiting game (we play as soon as we enter the casino).
-The strategy is not here in this forum and nowhere else.
-Yes, it uses the LOTT.
-Using the strategy you know what numbers to play, how many numbers to play and when to play.
-It works 99%.
-When you win the cycle you restart it.
I studied many hours a day for months.
I thought all the possibilities, all the ways, all the chances. I've tested it over again and again and again.
After going through this thread I was able to get a final conclusion of all my study.
Sleepless nights and a lot of effort on it.
Forget betting the first 12 uniques, forget using long progression, forget covering the table playing a sector of the wheel. Its all a mistake.
I will say it again. It's really impressive!
This forum has helped me a lot, but I no longer need to look for a strategy.
Cheers
I'm happy for you, would you mind sharing it with me ?
Bye
QuoteA clue
30
37
QuoteTry to understand what happens at 24, 30 and 37 spins. When you figure it out you'll get the HG and you won't need another strategy.
Quoteit's not a waiting game (we play as soon as we enter the casino).
Hi Andre Chass
I am confused,
If you play as soon as you enter the casino, why try to understand what happen at spin 24,30 and 37?
Regards and best wishes.
Quote from: sniper on Jan 17, 11:02 AM 2018
Hi Andre Chass
I am confused,
If you play as soon as you enter the casino, why try to understand what happen at spin 24,30 and 37?
Regards and best wishes.
You enter the casino, look the past numbers on the historic and start to play.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 17, 10:35 AM 2018
Forget betting the first 12 uniques, forget using long progression, forget covering the table playing a sector of the wheel. Its all a mistake.
Happy to read this :thumbsup:
But how many spins are required to start the play ?
Another question, how many numbers do you bet on ?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 15, 07:50 PM 2018
I forgot to say something...
We will wait for 20 spins and bet all numbers that showed but we will take off the repeaters and bet on 21st spin.
So in 20 spins we have for example 4 repeaters. We will bet only on 12 uniques numbers on 21st spin.
(4 repeaters = 8 numbers) 20 - 8 = 12 numbers to bet.
And of those 12 remaining numbers you can argue that you shouldnt bet the 4 newest either, cutting it down to just 8 numbers. Why? Well, a repeat number (streaking single number) rarely happens right after each other (in a row).
Of cause if number 16 hits and then hit right again on the next spin, then we remember it well, but if you ever tried betting on the last number to repeat right away or the last 2 numbers to repeat right away and realice its a really uncommen event actually. I guess another way to say it is that this is why we see so few 3 or 4 in a row of the same number hit.
Had a bit of a look thru actual spins counting the "width" between a number hit and then later it repeats. Basicly things start getting interesting around 4 and from 5 upto 11-12 ish there is a lot more repeats. Of cause i would like to stress that im taking about statistics only here. As always roulette can totally screw you over and decide repeat immediately. This is just an idea to try to cut down costs.
just now on MPR ozzi fucking making it slow.
5
29
6
5
5
dont shoot the messenger
What is LOTT meaning
iar000
LOTT = Law of the Third
A basic description is that in a full cycle
1/3 of numbers will not win
1/3 of numbers will win once
1/3 of numbers will will more than once
Ok thank you Stringbean ...
Andre... Share whit us ... Please☺
I thought I had the HG... a few times. My longest winning streak with one of my "HGs" was about a year. Then reality hit.
I hate to be a downer but Andre, don't be so disappointed if you find you were wrong.
The only way you'll know for sure you have the HG is to test a very large number of spins, which are from a reliable RNG source. It is far too time consuming to do sufficient testing manually - you need something like RX. If you havent done it yet, then you have nothing but meaningless short term manual tests.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 17, 10:35 AM 2018
For the first time I'm saying that I got my "Holy Grail". And I can tell it's really impressive!
This forum has helped me a lot, but I no longer need to look for a strategy.
Cheers
The above quotes are worth bookmarking ...... to use against you in the future.
We won't have to wait long ...... probably just a couple of weeks.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 05:59 PM 2018
The above quotes are worth bookmarking ...... to use against you in the future.
We won't have to wait long ...... probably just a couple of weeks.
I really didn't expect this from you. I thought you would be happy for my achievement.
But it's ok, sit down and wait till the end of the world...lol
Quote from: Steve on Jan 17, 05:07 PM 2018
I thought I had the HG... a few times. My longest winning streak with one of my "HGs" was about a year. Then reality hit.
All right Steve, I know your way of thinking. But yes, I get it (hg) and has been tested for months thousands of spins.
I hate to be a downer but Andre, don't be so disappointed if you find you were wrong.
The only way you'll know for sure you have the HG is to test a very large number of spins, which are from a reliable RNG source. It is far too time consuming to do sufficient testing manually - you need something like RX. If you havent done it yet, then you have nothing but meaningless short term manual tests.
I bought the RX a long time ago. Do not underestimate my intelligence, please.
Such good advice
Tests should be carried out for at least one month if they last several hours per day on an RNG. ANd not RX but real money casino RNG
If it generates an edge it will be visible, unfortunately many strategies generate a profit at the beginning and stop at some point.
If the edge occurs, it should be easy to identify why it happens.
If you believe in some voodoo methods and that they will stay for a long time it is just a good variance, but we know that it will end at some point.
This is not an attack, I wish you good luck with a new strategy, from what I read may be based on the assumptions of TURBO, which may be a winning strategy.
Andre, I tested my best "HG" on around 5,000 spins over about a year. It was a dozens progression. I was winning for about a year, and was sure I conquered roulette. And then suddenly I just kept losing.
Before I started losing, I would not have let anyone tell me my system was eventually going to lose. I was young, pigheaded and ignorant. The way i saw it, i was winning. I had the money as proof to any naysayer. I knew my own business better than anyone else. And then eventually I learned better.
I'm not insulting your intelligence. I'm trying to help you understand how to know for certain if you have something you could call the HG or not.
I dont know exactly how many spins I played on. I'm only guessing around 5,000 because it was 1-2 times a week for around a year.
But 5,000 spins is actually short term. It might be a year of play but that's still short term.
Test a random system with RX for 5000 spins. Sometimes you'll profit, sometimes lose. 5,000 spins is short term. You can even profit with random bets after 50,000 spins.
Simply the more you test, the more assured you are your system works. The idea is to get as close to 100% certainty as possible, but you'll never fully reach 100%.
Only 5,000 spins? You're kidding me.
I will reveal the method to only a few people in this forum. They will decide whether to share it to everyone or not. They will get their own conclusions.
I'll say it again. It's very impressive!
5000 spins, unfortunately, it's nothing like time I play so many games in the weekend.
I guess I had days where I played 5 k spins on RNG
It has been tested for months thousands of spins in RX and real money live dealer.
An I can tell it survive for hours and hours. I stop when I'm tired an scared to win too much and be banned.
Quote from: Andre Chass link=topic=19861.msg188640#msg188640 date=1516233676
An I can tell it survive for hours and hours. I stop when I'm tired an scared to win too much and be banned.
/quote]
Members r in shock and some r unconscious. Plz give a relief to that casino. U r too brutal. Steve plz call an emergency service.
Good job Andre,
Keep the great work up, don't listen to them.
as I have a huge numbers of spins 100k saved in a database, I have the chance to validate any idea over these 100k spins.
Congratulations Andre well done..you have persistently kept at it ..
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 18, 01:46 AM 2018
Good job Andre,
Keep the great work up, don't listen to them.
as I have a huge numbers of spins 100k saved in a database, I have the chance to validate any idea over these 100k spins.
Steve has a 100K challenge. $100,000 if a system can survive 100K spins.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 18, 07:14 AM 2018
Steve has a 100K challenge. $100,000 if a system can survive 100K spins.
Great offer !
I am looking forward to it ;$)
Has he actually got it? How could you prove your system would pass the test? Would need a group of people with the same 100k spins so all could verify..and would he pay up lol..I’d accept the challenge if the money is good...after 100k spins would the challenge for it to be in profit...or hover around the same bankroll? Flatbet or progression..? I reckon I got the system flatbet that should pass it. And betting every spin all the way...
Calm down. Keep one thing in mind:
The Chass Roulette Strategy (as I name it) is not a money-making machine. You have to think before you play. You have to analyze the numbers and make the right decisions. You have to be fast and calm at the same time. You have to write down the numbers for each cycle, etc...
Eventually you will lose a few sessions. But in 100k spins I'll be in profit.
As everyone already knows, HG is not one that always wins, but its one that wins more than it loses.
Cheers
Hell Andre I’m not even excited lol but I could do it..I could probably pit my system against yours for this test see who comes out at the end ..flatbet
And if you have to wait for your numbers to appear your 100 00k spins would have to be longer...mine would play the full 100k continuously that’s bets placed so the same amount of actual bets placed you would have to match to after disregarding the gathering of your repeats...let’s do it would be good fun
If you really wanna do accurate tests, find a table where only one dealer works on it and let him produce you 100k spins without stop.
Possible ? I doubt it
Are you on RNG ? Get 100k spins from some fair random number generators
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 18, 09:49 AM 2018
Calm down. Keep one thing in mind:
The Chass Roulette Strategy (as I name it) is not a money-making machine. You have to think before you play. You have to analyze the numbers and make the right decisions. You have to be fast and calm at the same time. You have to write down the numbers for each cycle, etc...
Eventually you will lose a few sessions. But in 100k spins I'll be in profit.
As everyone already knows, HG is not one that always wins, but its one that wins more than it loses.
Cheers
So please, do share your HG.
thanks.
it Would have to be real dealer spins for me..for that amount of spins probably botted into rx
I couldn’t or expect anyone could do it by hand for that amount of spins...so long as it’s real spins..
I told you guys earlier that TG's method wins itlr.
I also told you guys that you read TG's posts wrong.
TG is going to post some stuff soon on @turbo thread. Read it carefully, don't add don't take away, you may be able to find it.
Winkel, read his posts carefully, he gave the final clue. Again, you guys read him wrong.
I'll tell you this much, it can be coded on excel. It wins flat bet easily, not always but easily. Read again - EASILY. :thumbsup:
BUT the math model is tricky. So tricky that soooo many of you couldn't spot it.
About that steve's $100k challenge, we don't challenge or do biggest dick contest, we make money, that's all we're interested at b&m casino.
Cht......
TG doesnt play flat. He said it cant win flat. It needs the progression!
So you might found something but not his method.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 18, 12:57 PM 2018
Cht......
TG doesnt play flat. He said it cant win flat. It needs the progression!
So you might found something but not his method.
Credit still goes to TG and Winkel, the best systems player ever. :thumbsup:
cht, this time the dick won't get hard for you :)
let andre present his masterpiece system...
We (denzie, steve, andre,6th-sense, myself etc) don't know what you're talking about, lol.
Bye
Quote from: winkel on Jan 09, 04:52 PM 2018
Last time my numbers:
from 1,040,000 37spin cycles
there are only 211,766 cycles with 24 numbers appeared
the LOTT says the correct average is 13 unhit (or14????) 14 once appeared (or 13??????) and 10 repeaters.
The LOTT combination appeared only 41,013 times.( about 5-6%)
You have to decide whom you will believe.
You guys want a hint, here is winkel's post about LOTT, go figure.
LOTT works great. It says that in 37 spins we will have on AVARAGE 24 numbers shown. You can spin the wheel for cycles of 37 times until your balls hurt and you will have 20-28 numbers. That's what matters to my "HG".
Soon I will reveal the strategy for 2 ou 3 players. They will decide whether they will share with everyone or not. Unfortunately I dont think they will. Who knows?!
@Turbogenius
I respect you for all your knowledge and ability to play roulette. I want to apologize once more. But Id like to challenge you. We enter the same table playing real money and see what happens. I dont know exactly how you play but I think Ive developed a strategy that is just as good as yours. I dont want to sound c***y about it.
I hope you accept the challenge. If you dont accept, no problem.
Again, all my respect for you!
Cheers
I don't wish to interfere.
If anyone has found their way to make money, then go make real money.
This challenge among fellow punters is silly.
You don't need to have the best system to make money. You just need a money making system.
And you don't need for others to validate your system. It makes no sense.
No offence pls.
Quote from: cht on Jan 18, 08:56 PM 2018
I don't wish to interfere.
If anyone has found their way to make money, then go make real money.
Today I made around 500 bucks. That's good for you?
I like to talk about roulette too and nobody will say what I have to do.
I don't need nobody to validate my strategy. I don't need TG to validate my strategy because I know my strategy is as good as his or better.
So take care of your own business.
No offense.
The LOTT shows only the average numbers but it works. Believe me, that's all you need!
What happens until spin 24? LOTT will show you. Take advantage of this! Explore it! Try to understand what happens until 24st spin. What happens on the 24st spin to 30st spin? What piece is missing? And what happens on 30st spin to 37st spin?
When you figure it out what happens in all these steps you will be ready to unravel a new step: How many numbers to bet? When to bet? Which numbers to bet? How to use a short progression if it's necessary?
Yes you can! Do not let anyone tell you otherwise.
I tested the strategy for many hours over many months.
I cant give you the step by step. I'd be a fool to do that.
But if you work hard to understand the whole process you will get there. You'll get the "HG"!
Follow the clues.
Cheers
Quote from: cht on Jan 18, 01:25 PM 2018
You guys want a hint, here is winkel's post about LOTT, go figure.
5-6%.... that isnt much. Then i would bet AGAINST it :thumbsup:
And do not forget it. What matters is the average numbers (20-28), not the exact amount of numbers .
Nice, all what I see that in 37 spins I hardly get 25 unique numbers, most of the time around 24 uniques, so I guess until spin 24 there should be approx 10-14 uniques
From 24 till 37 the uniques will increase to 24.
Are you hunting the difference ?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 19, 01:07 AM 2018
The LOTT shows only the average numbers but it works. Believe me, that's all you need!
What happens until spin 24? LOTT will show you. Take advantage of this! Explore it! Try to understand what happens until 24st spin.
Cheers
Untill spin 24 we get a lot of singles and around 4-5 repeats
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 19, 01:07 AM 2018
What happens on the 24st spin to 30st spin?
Cheers
50/50 repeaters vs singles
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 19, 01:07 AM 2018And what happens on 30st spin to 37st spin?
Cheers
Also about 50/50
Sorry Denzie, but you're not even close what I'm trying to say. And I will not argue with you.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 19, 01:37 AM 2018
Nice, all what I see that in 37 spins I hardly get 25 unique numbers, most of the time around 24 uniques, so I guess until spin 24 there should be approx 10-14 uniques
From 24 till 37 the uniques will increase to 24.
You're in the right way. You have an open mind. But you calculated some wrong.
And don't forget spin 30 to 37. All these steps are linked.
Well, I think I've given you several tips. I've said that before and I'll say it again. The strategy is very impressive! Unfortunately I would be a fool to give it on a silver platter.
Have a good work!
See you soon
Thx Andre,
I would love to get your method so that I can do my experience with it
Bye
Andre,
I am gonna give you a great help, I can install on you machine a software with db that will allow you to process the spins, it will give you very useful analytical Infos on (average, uniques, repeaters ) and all that automatically.
What do you think ?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 19, 01:51 AM 2018
Sorry Denzie, but you're not even close what I'm trying to say. And I will not argue with you.
I dont argue also. Just saying what comes. Also didn't say how you play.
Two questions
Did you coded it in rx?
Is it playable in a casino?
Andre,
I am following you to the Canary Islands :)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 19, 02:02 AM 2018
Nice, all what I see that in 37 spins I hardly get 25 unique numbers, most of the time around 24 uniques, so I guess until spin 24 there should be approx 10-14 uniques
From 24 till 37 the uniques will increase to 24.
Are you hunting the difference ?
I got an idea, which to me seems pretty good.
The LOTT says that at the end of the 37 spins, about 24 different numbers should show up.
Now, track 24 spins and find out how many different numbers have shown.
Let's say we have 18 different numbers within those 24 spins. Thus, now we know that there are about 6 more different numbers that should show up between spin 25 and spin 37.
However, you have a total of (37-18) 21 numbers to pick your 6 numbers from. You don't want to be betting 21 numbers till the 37th spin. Thus we wait for the 30th spin and check how many more new numbers have hit. That will tell us how many more numbers we have left to accumulate 24 different numbers out of 37 different, unique numbers.
So, let's say that on the 30th spin, 3 more new/different numbers hit. That gives us a total of 21 different numbers that have hit within 30 spins. So, now we know that we have more or less 3 new different numbers due till the 37th spin. However, we have a total of (37-21) 16 numbers to pick our 3 numbers from. How to go about picking the 3 numbers?
Play the 16 numbers for 7 spins while using a progression,
Or
Play only 8 of the 16 numbers with hopes that one of your 3 missing numbers will hit within 7 spins. If using this last approach, we may use a mild progression such as 1,1,1,2,2,2,3
@Carsch.... or....... lott...
What do we know for our NEXT cycle?
Are there # that gonna show from previous cycle?
Are those 13 sleepers gonna keep sleeping?
You might wanna let this sink in...coz you also no longer need to choose from 37/38 #
:thumbsup:
Good questions. I'm still looking into this. :D
And maybe that is where "look outside of the box" comes in........so to figure out what Andre has figured out.
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 21, 12:43 PM 2018
I got an idea, which to me seems pretty good.
The LOTT says that at the end of the 37 spins, about 24 different numbers should show up.
Now, track 24 spins and find out how many different numbers have shown.
Let's say we have 18 different numbers within those 24 spins. Thus, now we know that there are about 6 more different numbers that should show up between spin 25 and spin 37.
However, you have a total of (37-18) 21 numbers to pick your 6 numbers from. You don't want to be betting 21 numbers till the 37th spin. Thus we wait for the 30th spin and check how many more new numbers have hit. That will tell us how many more numbers we have left to accumulate 24 different numbers out of 37 different, unique numbers.
So, let's say that on the 30th spin, 3 more new/different numbers hit. That gives us a total of 21 different numbers that have hit within 30 spins. So, now we know that we have more or less 3 new different numbers due till the 37th spin. However, we have a total of (37-21) 16 numbers to pick our 3 numbers from. How to go about picking the 3 numbers?
Play the 16 numbers for 7 spins while using a progression,
Or
Play only 8 of the 16 numbers with hopes that one of your 3 missing numbers will hit within 7 spins. If using this last approach, we may use a mild progression such as 1,1,1,2,2,2,3
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18087.0
Hey Andre,
I am testing the Bot you sent me.
i am facing a problem, i need to click ENTER on every number i want to place chips on.
The Bot passes so fast through the numbers i selected on the Board but unfrotunately doesn't place the chips on the numbers.
I dunno if it's a problem related to my PC or am i doing something wrong?
Thx
Good timing, Notto. I looked at some of your posts on the link you sent. I'll read more......interesting that you propose to look rather for repeats instead of chasing sleepers.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 21, 05:50 PM 2018
Hey Andre,
I am testing the Bot you sent me.
i am facing a problem, i need to click ENTER on every number i want to place chips on.
The Bot passes so fast through the numbers i selected on the Board but unfrotunately doesn't place the chips on the numbers.
I dunno if it's a problem related to my PC or am i doing something wrong?
Thx
I'm traveling at the moment. I'll explain how to use it tomorrow.
Repeated numbers happen. That's a fact!
The LOTT shows you the avarage numbers. (Of course 12/12/12 is not carved on stone). So you get your decision when, how and which numbers to bet. When you understand it you will win more then lose. (That's the hg).
Turn the math of game into your favor!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 23, 01:41 AM 2018
Repeated numbers happen. That's a fact!
The LOTT shows you the avarage numbers. (Of course 12/12/12 is not carved on stone). So you get your decision when, how and which numbers to bet. When you understand it you will win more then lose. (That's the hg).
Turn the math of game into your favor!
Hey Andre,
Did you already book your holidays in Maldives? ;)
I am sure a lot of sexy girls are trying to date you now ;)
Best of luck O0
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 23, 04:25 AM 2018
Hey Andre,
Did you already book your holidays in Maldives? ;)
I am sure a lot of sexy girls are trying to date you now ;)
Best of luck O0
I'm here right now with some girls, girls, girls.
Be ready and I'll give you the hotel address.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 23, 09:35 AM 2018
I'm here right now with some girls, girls, girls.
Be ready and I'll give you the hotel address.
Don't spend so much dollars on girls, they will ruin you and make you poor again !
Remember, you can keep f****** the casino until they kick you out :)
Quote from: denzie on Jan 21, 01:02 PM 2018
@Carsch.... or....... lott...
What do we know for our NEXT cycle?
Are there # that gonna show from previous cycle?
Are those 13 sleepers gonna keep sleeping?
You might wanna let this sink in...coz you also no longer need to choose from 37/38 #
:thumbsup:
Here is a partial answer to some of your questions, Denzie.
Let's say that after the 30th spin, you start betting on the sleeping numbers (around 13 of them), and you get a hit on the 33th spin. Where do we re-start?
I say right there where we ended our cycle (where we had our hit). We make this last number our 30th number from a list that we've been already following. However, we'll need to add a few new non-hit numbers to the rest of our old sleeping numbers.
These new non-hit numbers are the ones that have fallen off our previous list where we started recording the 30 spins. So, we need to keep track of those numbers that are no longer part of our list of 30 spins. This is dependent upon the position where we got our hit.
If we got a hit on the 33rd spin, then we've lost the first 3 numbers on our list. If any of these 3 numbers still show on our list (repeats), they cannot count as non-hit/sleeping numbers.
From here we continue with the chase without having to wait. We'll always have new non-hit numbers.
Does this make sense? It was just a thought. Still looking into this along with the hints posted by Andre.
Do you really want beat roulette?
Forget everything that you've seen.
Start studying:
KTF
GUT
WTF
I got my hg through those approaches.
Thanks Notto, Winkel, Denzie and all other members that contributed to it.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 03:55 PM 2018
Do you really want beat roulette?
Forget everything that you've seen.
Start studying:
KTF
GUT
WTF
I got my hg through those approaches.
Thanks Notto, Winkel, Denzie and all other members that contributed to it.
There you go again ......
From the looks of it he bets all the remaining uniques
with a progression at spin 30 for up to seven spins.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 06, 01:41 AM 2018
From the looks of it he bets all the remaining uniques
with a progression at spin 30 for up to seven spins.
Same thought here. That would work, i'd say.
Ask Charlie barley, he's got also a HG
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 09, 12:20 PM 2018
Ask Charlie barley, he's got also a HG
Another HG?
Man, I am losing track of all the HGs that have been posted on this forum in the last few weeks -- who knew roulette was such a gold mine littered with HGs ?
:twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 09, 04:21 PM 2018
Another HG?
Man, I am losing track of all the HGs that have been posted on this forum in the last few weeks -- who knew roulette was such a gold mine littered with HGs ?
:twisted: :twisted:
:twisted:
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 06, 01:41 AM 2018
From the looks of it he bets all the remaining uniques
with a progression at spin 30 for up to seven spins.
If thats the case ...I would wait till next cycle....see what happens first 10 spins...according to the outcomes i would bet the non hits if they late. Or repeats if they late
:thumbsup:
I have a HG too. I win most of the time. I just need to fine tune my system so my losing run doesnt wipe out my winnings and more. Im real close now.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 10, 05:51 AM 2018
I have a HG too. I win most of the time. I just need to fine tune my system so my losing run doesnt wipe out my winnings and more. Im real close now.
facetious
Quote from: Steve on Feb 10, 05:51 AM 2018
I have a HG too. I win most of the time. I just need to fine tune my system so my losing run doesnt wipe out my winnings and more. Im real close now.
Steve, time is perception we experience. Being real close could mean that you'll never be there. But then, that is probably the objective - to experience from the idea of 'getting there' which may never happen. Some say that it's about the journey, and not the objective, or the goal itself. Ah, there may be some truth here. LOL :D As for those who claim to have the HG, i guess we'll never know for sure. But we can each claim that we have the HG so long as we show it to no one. Then it's all good.
BTW, i had a HG. It's gone now. Time is tricky! Well, i can come up with another one tomorrow if i want to.......as long as i show it to no one. :D
Notto its not humor. Its making a serious point in a different way because most people dont respond to simple logic.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 10, 05:51 AM 2018
I have a HG too. I win most of the time. I just need to fine tune my system so my losing run doesnt wipe out my winnings and more. Im real close now.
Please please Steve, I beg you to post some hints. :wink:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 10, 07:15 AM 2018
Please please Steve, I beg you to post some hints. :wink:
Please do so. It helps the expansion of our imagination.
I'll reveal the way I play soon.
But with some conditions...
Quote from: denzie on Feb 10, 05:47 AM 2018
If thats the case ...I would wait till next cycle....see what happens first 10 spins...according to the outcomes i would bet the non hits if they late. Or repeats if they late
:thumbsup:
Are you still playing this way WTF?
"Currently I'm playing these scenario :
First 10 spins : 8/10 , 9/10 , 10/10
Second 10 spins : + 2 , +3 , +4 , +5
I'm going in on spin 24 if no virtual hit on spin 21-22-23"
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 10, 09:02 AM 2018
Are you still playing this way WTF?
Im not really playing wtf or gut or so...I guess its a mix of all. Im just looking whats happening at the time. According to that i make my move. Mostly im right on the money in a few spins. Sometimes im wrong too of course but not much though.
As i said before...I got a lot of sessions and that shows me perfectly what happens.
Note: dont play the same trigger over and over again. It will lose. Adapt as you play. Which i think is very important advice.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 10, 09:02 AM 2018
"Currently I'm playing these scenario :
First 10 spins : 8/10 , 9/10 , 10/10
Second 10 spins : + 2 , +3 , +4 , +5
I'm going in on spin 24 if no virtual hit on spin 21-22-23"
Aha been there and done that. We do get mostly some repeats between 20-30. So i understand your trigger. Yet it cant win flat. Is this your HG?
You play flat or....?
:thumbsup:
I always start to bet when the second repeater shows and then flatbetting until one of the repeaters hit. Meanwhile add every repeater that Comes along.This i do until spin 37. When a repeater is hit and not in profit i raise the one hit with a 1/3/9 progression.
When on i reach spin 37 and No profit is Made i Keep the Most hitted ones and Delete the others. And begin with my base bet of one unit on the ones i Keep and continue from there.
So far almost 200 Games in and not one single lost session. I don't think this is the way as the TG System exact. But i must be doin' something Right, otherwise i would Have hit the Wall by now i guess. But it al can be luck of course.
As we already describe our ideas in an open forum.
The point is that we should limit the numbers and pay attention to the gaps.
The simplest method that can be is we start the sessions, we wait for the first repeater and we play it 12 spins, we do it with the first 3 repeaters. If any of them hits, we finish the sessions. If we do not end -36 units
If this method worked flat, it would be very good, but I do not think it would work.
But this is a good starting point, how to add positive progression to optimize this strategy.
To me of of the Most important things is that the exposure Staying as Low as possible and the hitrate as High as possible. So it is Always better to play a few numbers at a Time then to bet every single number that pops up. So the repeaters are the way to go and Will be our best option to find a HG.
And also not Limit ourselfs to only one 37 spin cycle playing session, but looking beyond..
Jekhb
One more question is how exactly you play after 37 spin
Do you play only those numbers that hit the first cycle, but do you only play them?
And guessed that you also use 1/3/9 of progression after hit?
After a second repeater has hit, i start betting on those two and add every new repeater to my list.
When a repeater hits and i'm not in profit i start my progression of 1/3/9 or (1/4/16) on that hit number, and continue the same line. When after 37 spins i'm still not in profit, i look at my numbers and select the ones that have hit the most and delete the ones that failed to hit once again.
And i start over with only the selcted numbers with my base bet of 1 unit and continue to add now every repeater that has spun.
and again i use the same progression when a number has hit.
and repeat the next cycle. if after two cycles of 37 spins, not in profit i raise my starting bet to 2u per number etc etc.
But 75% of the time i'm at a new high after the first cycle is over, and if not then the next one will give me my profit.
Posted earlier in another thread.
sorry about the double screenshot! :yawn:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 10, 02:36 PM 2018
After a second repeater has hit, i start betting on those two and add every new repeater to my list.
When a repeater hits and i'm not in profit i start my progression of 1/3/9 or (1/4/16) on that hit number, and continue the same line. When after 37 spins i'm still not in profit, i look at my numbers and select the ones that have hit the most and delete the ones that failed to hit once again.
And i start over with only the selcted numbers with my base bet of 1 unit and continue to add now every repeater that has spun.
and again i use the same progression when a number has hit.
and repeat the next cycle. if after two cycles of 37 spins, not in profit i raise my starting bet to 2u per number etc etc.
But 75% of the time i'm at a new high after the first cycle is over, and if not then the next one will give me my profit.
Let me see if i got this correct..
You start to bet when we got 2 x 2s. Flat. On a hit we look if we are in profit. Profit means reset. If we NOT in profit you start the progression on that # (3s hoping for a 4s). You bet every 2s that pops up on the way. Once again if we profit at any point we reset.
Now end of first cycle (37/38 spins) and we are still not in profit. We start second cycle with our 3s from our first cycle back at 1unit. Adding every 2s that pops up....use the same progression on a hit if we still down.
If at end of second cycle we still down...we start third cycle with our 3s and maybe 4s from second cycle with 2 units
Correct so far ?
What if we still down after 3 cycles?
Good question, don't know. Never been that far luckly.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 10, 05:41 PM 2018
Good question, don't know. Never been that far luckly.
Then i would say keep playing as you do and see what happens. If it aint broken...
But lets say you get to that point which you will...check the br..if the loss is small just take it. If the loss to big hmmm....then the game gets sweaty and nervous right
Yes, a Small loss is not a problem as Long as the winning sessions are enough to make up for that.
Maybe i should think about a stop/loss.
Now 217 Games in and 217 Games won. I'm waiting to get my feet wet :question: not if but when is the question.
Im just a bit confused about your progression... how do you get to the third stage ?
2s we bet 1u
We get a hit. Now we bet 3u on that 3s
We hit. We got a 4s now. You bet 9u going for a 5s ? (Which doesnt happen much at all )
Meanwhile our 2s stay at 1unit
Yes correct, Most of the Time the session is over before 74 spin. Ans i start to bet once i Have 2 repeaters, not sooner. So around spin 12-15 then when hit i reset. When hit but No new High i then put 3u on the hitting number etc. After i Have put 9u on a nr. And i get a het i then remove that number from the Table.
In those 217 sessions...did you get many hits on that 9u ? ( 4s going to 5s)
Only a few. Most numbers that Make me profit were the 2s goin' to 3s. And 3s to 4s. And then the one with the 9 on it was still on the Table. But sometimes they did hit early and then we have a Nice bonus.
Still leaning and testing how the TG System works. With Trial and error and a lot of trying and thinking maybe i get there. But No rush.
After the first spin and play 1 number after 2 nd spin and play 2 numbers after 3 Spin Play 3 numbers. That wmbers that were repeaters.
And I did it every time when the hotas max numbers I play.
I play 3 first numbers, so long until the first repeater appears, then i stop betting on past numbers, and start on the repeated first number, I checked the for next repeater, I did so to the max 3 nuter level appeared, I stopped playing previous numbers and played this hottest.
The progression I used was positive 1-5-25
I always stopped the sessions when I had a profit
The first level I played to hit, if it was minus after hit and ply secound level ,after hit, was minus play third step, after 3rd hit stop, whether it was a minus or plus
Some time ago I described this strategy on a different topic.
They quickly reached 12k units of profit, but at some point stopped earning, long losing sessions began to appear.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 10, 06:06 PM 2018
Only a few. Most numbers that Make me profit were the 2s goin' to 3s. And 3s to 4s. And then the one with the 9 on it was still on the Table. But sometimes they did hit early and then we have a Nice bonus.
Yup. Just as i thought.
Some stats...
We get 3x 3s on average in a cycle
We get 1 x 3s 98,6% (tested over millions of spins)
We get 1 x 4s 49%
A 5s should be around 20ish %
But I played so that after the hit, I increased the level of progression for all current numbers, i.e. sometimes for one and sometimes for three
Quote from: ozon on Feb 10, 06:14 PM 2018
But I played so that after the hit, I increased the level of progression for all current numbers, i.e. sometimes for one and sometimes for three
That method wont work. Sorry. Your betselection is wrong imo
I know, it was some time ago, just bet selection was forced, and that was lucky run.
That is too much exposure Ozon. You're bankroll Will be wiped out. One thing i Have learned leaning TG System is to not raise on All numbers, that's too much.
Denzie,
Isn't it better then to drop the number in the second cycle once it has hiy three Times? And continue with the other two's? Just thinking.
If you won 217 games just keep going. See where it goes
:thumbsup:
Ok thanks for your input.
Very long losing run on 25 unit could surely destroy a large part of the bankroll, because there was no designated break sefty
Quote from: ozon on Feb 10, 06:29 PM 2018
Very long losing run on 25 unit could surely destroy a large part of the bankroll, because there was no designated break sefty
And it happen every now and then
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 10, 06:26 PM 2018
Denzie,
Isn't it better then to drop the number in the second cycle once it has hiy three Times? And continue with the other two's? Just thinking.
Not sure about this.
I personality select only the ones that repeat within a small gap. That cuts down more numbers to bet on. Ok we might miss some good ones but thats ok. I need only 1 (or more if possible) of my selection to perform good.
Then i use a agressive positive progression on a hit. As long the hits keep coming ...I keep going .
TG said bring 1k to win 1k. That is win 1k or more. (1k is not a steady number. All up to the units you bet. Can be 500â,¬ too )
Do i win every session ? No. But the ones that do win ....win big. Big enough to cover those few sessions that didn't win
This smallGAP, there is a clearly set number above which you do not enter, lets say 12?
And then we wait with progression for a quick hitting cycle.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 10, 06:55 PM 2018
This smallGAP, there is a clearly set number above which you do not enter, lets say 12?
And then we wait with progression for a quick hitting cycle.
Not cycle but cycles! I keep going also after 37 spins with my selection.
12? No thats to much for me. 5 to 10 max.
:thumbsup:
Yes, yes, I thought we were going beyond 37 spins, it would have been a rare event to shut down the progression in one cycle
Big thanks for tips.
U cant specify the gap. Then u will certainly miss a hit with 25 only that we r looking for.
Just did a Small test of 145 spins where i begin to bet on the First repeater.
And add every new repeater as they come along with 1 unit om every new repeater. Once a number hits again i add More More progression on that number 1/3 or 1/5 if you Will hoping that the number Will hit once again for the last Time making it. 4peater... Once our number with a 3 or 5 unit hits, i'll be dropping off that number and continue with the rest on board and adding a new repeater once they show. In the small test i did, it was a steady goin'n resulted in 400+ profit in 146 spins. Will try to do a larger test tomorrow and See what that Will bring.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 10, 07:16 PM 2018
U cant specify the gap. Then u will certainly miss a hit with 25 only that we r looking for.
I cant ? Is there only one # to hit the 25chip?
Your missing the big picture here
:thumbsup:
Play with 10 gap. If u stick to 10 gap u know what? My test say that no . Take loss? No . Not happy to take any loss.
Try this voodoo method, I don't have time to properly test it. Excel sheet attached.
Wait for repeat one to count exactly12. At the same time the unique(possible repeats) >=30. Start bet with 1/2/4/8/16 progression. You don't always win every session. But overall it may win. Test it to find out.
For new R1s appearing, either add them to the list or ignore them. Need to test.
Just a thought; what if we start betting once we have two repeaters and add a new repeater everytime it shows, then after 37 spins, we Keep those repeaters and when a new one appears, we drop off the oldest one? This way we won't be betting on too many numbers. And because 99% of the Time a triple hits before spin 37 and the longest spins i Have yet encounterd before a triple was hit was at spin 43. And what i also noticed playing those many sessions was that Most of the Time, not Always but frequent, was that the triple came from one of the last 7 Most recent repeaters.
@JEKHB76...keep doing what you did so far. Only make tweaks if you start to lose. Just my thought.
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Quote from: denzie on Feb 11, 08:11 AM 2018
@JEKHB76...keep doing what you did so far. Only make tweaks if you start to lose. Just my thought.
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Exactly Den, if you hit trouble, take the loss. Then get on the workboard and work out how to perfect it.
Don't think old TG will ever give the part he must know that gets him a winner, but jekhb76 seems to be a smart guy, who keeps at it
Andre Chass:
You can no longer keep this for yourself, i have detected your play, mate you gave us a very powerful hint.
Thx for not sharing but it's too late :)
I am gonna mix it with my system (as a gear).
Share with us RouletteBeater ....
Quote from: denzie on Feb 10, 06:11 PM 2018
Yup. Just as i thought.
Some stats...
We get 3x 3s on average in a cycle
We get 1 x 3s 98,6% (tested over millions of spins)
We get 1 x 4s 49%
A 5s should be around 20ish %
How bad the results would be if we started the game after the 3rd repeater in the cycle with 1/5 progression, we would just hunt for the 4 and 5 repeater in the 37 spins cycle.
We know from statistics that we would have hits of such a session in over 20% of the session, we would not have many numbers. the ending session would always be on the 37th spin.
The problem is, that that won't happen alot. I got many sessions that i got No 3peat in the First 37 spin cycle, so you need to continue and Hope for a early hit in the next cycle. Otherwise your bankroll Will be down to Zero in No Time. Most of the Time i got 1 or 2 3s i'm 37spins, a fourth and a fifthe doesn't happen to often early on.
jekhb76
Not being into maths, gave reason many moons ago in a thread, so i work on 40 spins.
Collected data gives spins 11-40; 30 spins, an average of 15.7 non-hits. Now naughty of me but i drop the point something, so makes 15; non-hit come, so must get 15 repeats.
So the groups of 10 spins usually show like this 11-20 21-30 31-40
7 5 3 =15
jekhb76 If game starts spins 1-10 ends 10/10 no repeat add the expected 15 to the 10,(10+15=25) so at spins 39/40 we could see 25 non-hits, if they come 7,5,3 where are the repeats strongest.
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Pretty close 14; -1, on the expected 24
Hello Notto and Eddy,
It's a good point about 2's not always turning into 3's as quick as we would like and sometimes not at all in a 37 spin cycle which could dent a chunk of the BR.
I took Notto's numbers above (first 30) and converted them into splits.
32=17
11=5
10=4
9=6
33=18
36=18*
9=6*
3=3
30=15
26=14
8=5*
4=1
17=8
18=9
24=12
15=9*
17=8*
10=4*
35=17*
23=11
7=4**
3=3*
31=16
14=8**
8=5**
1=1*
36=18**
1=1**
8=5***
16=7
15 out of the 18 splits appeared (3 no-shows)
15 x 1 show
9 x 2 show
5 x 3 show
1 x 4 show
So would waiting for the 2 shows using splits be more secure? I always think one of the bottom lines has to be preserving the bankroll. A good strategy will win most of the time, but you don't want to give it away in a bad session. Better to pay the price of time and not your BR.
Palestis - roulette30
Select R1 when repeat occurs within 18spins, bet it for 26spins. Stop when win.
After 230 Games on the simulator, i thought i give it a try for real money at a B/M casino. Let's Just say, it has cost me a hel alot of money :yawn: :sad2:
Until we find a save way to play this (More on TG way) this ain't gonna work Long term.
I still Have Faith in repeaters and i think that within a System like that we will find our HG, but not this way. If only Turbo would Help us More, this is suïcide on the Long Run.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 12, 05:51 AM 2018After 230 Games on the simulator
Yes makes one wonder if you can rely on simulator, have you tried on MPR, get diffferent result on there, but it does use rng some times we're told, have you looked at real roulette spins posted on here
Mate, you copying this play to a RNG table.
GIVE UP...IT WON'T WORK..
Have you ever tested with real spins at the casino you plan to play?
Yep.
The Crazy thing is, well maybe some of you Have the same problem. But when i Have something in my mind, i can't stop thinking about it. Same Goes for repeater subject. Every where where i am i think of All the method that might give us Green light in how this is supposed to be played and how to make this a winng System. Even under the shower, toilet, during dunner No matter where i am or what i am doi'n i Have this in my head. Only when i'm bed with my wife i'm not thinking about repeaters :wink: well Most of the Time. :xd:
We know for a fact that 99% of the Time we get a 3rd repeater in 37- 60 spins. The Most spins i Have seen Without a 3rd is 43 spins.
There must be a way, progression that give us profit everytime a 3rd one hits.
Tbh, there are too many chips at risk.
Yes i know, that's where the problem rises. Let's say we will get our third repeater in 7 of of ten sessions, the other three Will Make us lose so much that the winning session Will not cover the losing ones.
I think i Have Read TG threads for over 200 Times, but after More then 3 years i haven't progressief An inch. I Keep trying and trying but nothing works.
We don't Have to win every cycle, but at some Point we must win one. That is my goal, but it's hard.
Well that sucks. I always find it sad to read someone lost money.
Maybe its time to show how TG played his sessions on the other forum. :)
The key is the br imo. Dont bring 5k to win 1k. But bring 1k to win 5k ! The sessions that perform as they should have to push the br up for the cases we lost.
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(Check Magic 8 btw....still going strong after months)
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 12, 06:22 AM 2018
The Crazy thing is, well maybe some of you Have the same problem. But when i Have something in my mind, i can't stop thinking about it. Same Goes for repeater subject. Every where where i am i think of All the method that might give us Green light in how this is supposed to be played and how to make this a winng System. Even under the shower, toilet, during dunner No matter where i am or what i am doi'n i Have this in my head. Only when i'm bed with my wife i'm not thinking about repeaters :wink: well Most of the Time. :xd:
Shows your passion, yes its in our minds all the time, i miss turnings on the road thru it, mrs says should have turned there, mobile phone no officer thinking of how to beat roulette without computers
Yes it makes my head spin, that No one has come up with a solution to these returning event cycles.
Jekhb76 sorry to hear of your loss, but I know exactly what you mean, I've read over all of TGs posts hundreds of times thinking that I'm missing something. Then I'll make some
changes and have a heap of good sessions with no or small losses. As soon as I go to try at my local casino and put real money down all the losses come. I feel for you mate, it's really discouraging.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 11, 10:39 AM 2018
Andre Chass:
You can no longer keep this for yourself, i have detected your play, mate you gave us a very powerful hint.
Thx for not sharing but it's too late :)
I am gonna mix it with my system (as a gear).
Great!
Go ahead, mate!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 12, 09:33 PM 2018
Great!
Go ahead, mate!
Yes, if you don't mind I can reveal it here.
Look, i can see a lot of big open eyes and ears looking forward to it -:)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 05:43 AM 2018
Yes, if you don't mind I can reveal it here.
Look, i can see a lot of big open eyes and ears looking forward to it -:)
Well if it ain't reached the HG status, go ahead. Otherwise you Have to pick the Right People and send a personal massage. Or if you feel unconfartble with it, Keep the findings to yourself. Otherwise it will be All over the internet in No Time. Just saying.
The worry comes from these guys who are members here but work for casino!
They will report everything to casino, believe me!
another issue that the content of this forum is visible to public!
Maybe the rules should be changed to be compatible with privacy and copyrights !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 08:06 AM 2018
The worry comes from these guys who are members here but work for casino!
They will report everything to casino, believe me!
another issue that the content of this forum is visible to public!
Maybe the rules should be changed to be compatible with privacy and copyrights !
Why would casino workers waiste time when there is no threat or system s that take millions from them on this form .i wouldn't worry about things like that casinos do just fine .
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 08:06 AM 2018The worry comes from these guys who are members here but work for casino!
Yes, once had a new member ask about the average document on rng spins i was building.
Had a few PM's and then disappeared never to be seen or heard from again
Quote from: Winner on Feb 13, 08:10 AM 2018
Why would casino workers waiste time when there is no threat or system s that take millions from them on this form .i wouldn't worry about things like that casinos do just fine .
That's not 100% true, casino hire consultants to detect anomalies in their softwares as well as their tables.
These consultants are interested in gathering so much test cases, guess where they can find such information ?
Here on forums !!!
Got it ?
RB plays with 4level algo calculated by computer.
So why can't you share the last LOTT algo ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 08:21 AM 2018casino hire consultants
every pro HG writer of a system which can't be tested per computer can be suspected to be paid of a casino
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 13, 08:12 AM 2018
Yes, once had a new member ask about the average document on rng spins i was building.
Had a few PM's and then disappeared never to be seen or heard from again
If it's such a big find and it will change everything, i would Keep it to myself. You never know Who is looking.... Enjoy your findings and be greathful that you Have Discoverd it, No Harm done.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 13, 08:53 AM 2018
If it's such a big find and it will change everything, i would Keep it to myself. You never know Who is looking.... Enjoy your findings and be greathful that you Have Discoverd it, No Harm done.
Yes ?
Do you mean that nobody here in forum has a HG ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 07:40 AM 2018
Yes ?
Do you mean that nobody here in forum has a HG ?
Can't awnser that question, because i don't know. But i understand that when somebody has it, they Keep quote on it.
Any More progression idea's?
What I'm playing with now is the following.
Spin until you Have a repeater with Max 5 spin Gap. Continue adding repeaters that Have met the above criteria. Stop when hit and in profit (any profit) Continue adding repeaters until you Have reached the Max of 8 repeaters. If you Have reached the Max 8 stop adding and look at the list which repeater hasn't hit again in the last 37 spins. If this is the case remove that repeater, and start adding repeaters again until Max 8 is reached. I choose Max 8 numbers because 8 numbers wil hit within a 37 spin range Most of the Time, so i set this as the Max. If a number is hit and not in profit use the following progression:
1/3/9/27/243 this should be enough to end in profit at some Point. More testing is needed of course and any progression Will do (1/5/25/50) (1/3/9/81) etc. Will add the results every 25 Games. Don't know if this is how TG is playing but it makes sense regarding number dropping issue. So far when i had dropped a number of the list after not showing for 37 spins it was hit again ( :sad2:) but that Will be the case many Times i guess. Any thoughts? Have a Nice day.
When in profit before getting 8 repeaters, wouldn't it be better to restart than building up 8 repeaters? Do I understand it right?
Quote from: boyd30 on Feb 15, 12:26 PM 2018
When in profit before getting 8 repeaters, wouldn't it be better to restart than building up 8 repeaters? Do I understand it right?
What i ment was, that betting 8 numbers was the Max i would go. I Always stop when i profit, how Small the winnings are. Profit is profit.
Thanks for the clarification jekhb76.
Quote from: boyd30 on Feb 15, 12:52 PM 2018
Thanks for the clarification jekhb76.
Sure anytime
This thread was interesting, I've just read the 32 pages in 2 days, attaboy! I think it's worth putting it back on top?
I'm looking for flat-bet-only succesful method. Did a little test here: wait for at least 12 unIques in row, let spin until first repeater. That is, not as soon as 12 nrs cuz you'll never know how far it can go without repeaters. From the first repeater after 12 unIques, you could suppose there is some saturation starting and can expect more repeaters to come soon. (Great gambler falacy, by the way!).
So basically flat bet until new br high, with a unit on new nr in case of a loss. Stop loss: still have to decide if a specific amount, like 100u, or X unhits, say 4 losses. A new high might not come on first hit, but it's ok.
Still to be tested: to let winnings run until 1st loss then restart process, or just be glad with a new high.
Promising preliminary result.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Dec 27, 03:04 PM 2017
Track spins until you get 12 unique numbers. If a number repeats, just count it once, you are looking for 12 different numbers.
After you get your 12 numbers, bet them for four spins only using this progression: 1,1,2,3.
Do you bet straight up on the numbers or bet on the section they are in?
It is possible to have 12 numbers come up where they are not touching, but I think they have to be in row 1 and 3 only. Then you can outside bet row 1 and 3. But if they are touching, then you can make corner bets using the 4 progression.