Think its worth a better look at this idea as only got to step 3 of progression in two sessions. (yes!! i realise only a small sample test)
Rules...
*Wait for 7 spins without a dozens hitting (trigger) then bet twice on it to hit if no hit wait for new trigger.
*If a zero while waiting on a trigger wait for 8 without a dozen hitting.
*If two zero wait for 9 without a dizen hitting...
*Then bet progression 1,2,3,4,6,9 stop -25u.
Stake. Used. Profit
-1. -1. +2
-2. -3 +3
-3 -6 +3
-4. -10. +2
-6. -16. +2
-9. -25. +2
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (07:50 - 09:45)
0 13 18 34 35 7 0 30 12 13 1 14 8 4 28 13 8 24 26 21 16 9 21 2 34 13 12 30 2 25 24 3 1 15 24 21 33 21 19 0 3 (18 22 22 (26 33 34 33) 2W 33 36) (19W 4 18 5 10 4 20) 25W 19 1 12 0 28 3 9 16 14 10 6 36 27 29 20 28 12 25 11 17 26 23 16 30 25 6 19 (26 3 8 28 27 7 26) 3L 14W 4 33 3 0 7 1
Session +9
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Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:45 - 10:55)
(23 24 21 33 36 30 28) 31L 19L 10 5 26 24 29 20 1 7 4 3 33 14 1 29 6 14 9 (33 29 16 21 20 15 17) 9W 18 12 32 30 28 8 36 13 29 15 0 23 19 6 2 (31 29 26 20 31 24 28) 0L (25L 27 26 6 (25 35 28) 15W 16 (32 27) 11W 7 34 27 7) (35L 27L 22 21 33 15 36) 3W 14 27 0 12 0 31 34 10 25 (11 23 22 2 24 24 23) 21L 35W 33 9 33 17 6 25 16 7 27 33 33
Session +15
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 27, 11:25 PM 2018
*Then bet progression 1,2,3,4,6,9 stop -25u.
Just a little point that I would like to make.
The progression for single dozen / single column goes like this:
1 1 2 3 4 6 ...... etc.
Note: There are TWO one unit bets at the beginning.
Yes, it is a minor point, but still why increase the progression any faster than is necessary?
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 28, 02:30 AM 2018
Just a little point that I would like to make.
The progression for single dozen / single column goes like this:
1 1 2 3 4 6 ...... etc.
Note: There are TWO one unit bets at the beginning.
Yes, it is a minor point, but still why increase the progression any faster than is necessary?
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Ok thanks 👍
I was just thinking it good to keep it at +2 or +3 per win... But suppose it doesn't make a difference really.
1. -1. +2.
1. -2. +1.
2 -4. +2.
3 -7. +2.
4. -11. +1
6. -17. +1
LOSS -17.
7 16 19 19 4 3 30 19 3 31 29 11 29 20 24 17 14 33 2 11 ((31 13 22 14 15 14 19)) 5W 9 22 21 29 12 19 16 23 14 31 8 ((23 17 29 16 21 34 18)) 12W 26 14 23 31 11 14 9 28 29 30 8 0 5 32 23 35 31 24 ((3 34 5 26 1 28 5)) 7L 8L 35 19 35 34 ((13 23 6 12 0 21 5 1)) 35W 19 16 20 24 33 29 11 36 12 7 ((15 33 33 16 29 30 35)) 8W ((28 21 13 20 0 23 20 36)) 24L 31L 1 32 10 3 17 36 6 25 16 7 31 21 12 35 16 30 ((22 13 3 36 21 34 20)) 2W ((33 28 36 19 15 25 17)) 22L ((4W 27 36 32 6 6 32)) 9L 2L 1 25 16 32 16 16 33 7 16 11 31 17 25 23 35 20 2 ((26 16 14 20 13 17 13)) 6W 31 35 19 8 21 18 10 28 28 10 13 33 2 5 ((36 15 15 34 ((33 25 0 36)) 29L 30L 34 1)) 28L 24W 18 36 28 3 21 7 29 36 4 15 ((25 35 32 11 36 2 25)) 19W 12 30 21 3 14 19 9 19 34 1 1 3 19 27 21 10 36 9 13 12 34 28 ((8 18 17 18 23 12 14)) 8L 16L 14 18 16 35 9 32 10 23 8 21 34 6 32 0 ((21 10 17 6 ((16 24 13)) 22L 24L 14 3)) 9L 11L 9 11 ((16 20 13 27 25 ((19 20)) 9W 10 23 9 20)) 13L 32W 28 19 12 30 26 33 23 5 6 18 35 8 2 16 1 32 36 19 4 10 27 29 15 20 36 8 8 35 8 31 17 25 34 29 ((1 7 11 21 6 12 17)) 14L 34W 18 35 30 7 21 13 4 18 18 28 22 5 19 13 3 29 7 32 24 6 0 23 12 6 2 31 4 18 ((25 35 2 25 8 29 10)) 1L 20W 26 33 30 11 27 24 34 24 2 20 15 3 35 33 ((21 6 1 13 1 23 13)) 28W 23 24 29 3 29 36 6 21 34 25 10 5 13 27 28 29 14 28 12 19 36 12 13 ((3 26 10 2 33 11 12)) 35L 34L 8 27 2 29 24 10 34 4 5 35 20 31 ((7 11 15 20 16 6 23)) 16L 25W 20 33 17 12 10 16 31 30 8 2 27 22 7 6 ((30 31 26 14 33 35 23)) 17L 24L 15 10 34 26 16 1 24 15 0 4 29 18 ((28 8 36 30 27 32 7)) 17W
WWLLWWLLWLWLLWLLLWWLLLLLLWLWLWLWWLLLWLLW
PROGRESSION = +9
FLAT BETTING= +8
This bet when played the right way has lots more potential than ddz. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Jan 28, 09:48 PM 2018
This bet when played the right way has lots more potential than ddz. :thumbsup:
Thanks...
I just had another look over this test and i made a mistake.
21 7 29 36 4 15 ((25 35 32 11 36 2 25)) 19W 12 30 21 3 14 19 9 19 34 1 1 3 19 27 21 10 36 9 13 12 34 28 ((8 18 17 18 23 12 14)) 8L 16L 14 18 16 35 9 32 10 23 8 21 34 6 32 0 ((21 10 17 6 ((16 24 13)) 22L 24L 14 3)) 9L 11L 9 11 ((16 20 13 27 25 ((19 20)) 9W 10
The LLLLLL (loss of 6 step progression)
Didn't actually happen because i wait until i see that dozen sleeping show before i can get a new trigger... The mistake i made on the test was me not waiting for that sleeping dozen to show before a new trigger.
It should look like this..
21 7 29 36 4 15 ((25 35 32 11 36 2 25)) 19W 12 30 21 3 14 19 9 19 34 1 1 3 19 27 21 10 36 9 13 12 34 28 ((8 18 17 18 23 12 14)) 8L 16L 14 18 16 35 9 32 10 23 8 21 34 6 32 0 ((21 10 17 6 16 24 13)) 22L 24L 14 3 9 11 9 11 ((16 20 13 27 25 19 20)) 9W 10
So the results should of been.
WWLLWWLLWLWLLWLLLWWLLLLWLWLWLWWLLLWLLW
W= 5
LW= 3
LLW= 4
LLLW= 2
LLLLW= 1
LLLLLW= 0
LLLLLL= 0
PROGRESSION = +26
FLAT BETTING= +10
:smile:
The more dozen misses the greater the chance of being hit? I guess you could look at the average over no. of spins to get the AVERAGE but the spins from hell will find the flaw in every system.
Who knows different people will have difference opinions on this one as it has been tried before...
More tests on the same set of continues spins ...
22 27 32 29 32 4 ((26 24 20 32 33 36 15)) 24L 4W 2 29 5 23 5 23 33 ((9 24 12 6 2 8 23)) 12L ((14L 19 36 23 33 31 17)) 15L 5W 25 31 19 30 8 16 4 16 9 18 25 9 24 16 ((1 2 36 28 9 10 25)) 30L 31L 16 9 32 14 ((36 31 26 7 27 10 29)) 20W 36 15 24 7 34 20 ((27 10 27 7 10 31 29)) 10L ((14W 14 25 32 14 31 32)) 16L 16L 20 9 19 9 31 25 3 26 11 23 27 26 6 24 33 ((18 18 11 7 1 14 14)) 5L 18L 25 11 36 4 22 25 18 25 4 6 1 0 21 31 1 32 15 17 17 11 21 1 31 35 20 33 36 26 4 8 5 17 20 25 10 30 34 6 24 34 3 20 33 5 4 31 35 15 20 14 6 6 33 30 ((13 11 6 21 24 11 ((17)) 21L 34W 33 15 28 33)) 33L 31L 26 22 31 8 ((14 33 34 36 26 36 28)) 10W)) 25L 31L 17 27 6 12 22 36 13 19 19 0 15 6 16 ((29 27 6 0 4 12 ((36 26)) 18W 28 22 29 36)) 14L 14L 33 36 36 24 ((30 28 26 3 32 7 29)) 5L 17W ((25 10 35 25 29 2 11)) 36L 2L 5 5 31 28 ((1 21 8 23 18 9 12)) 18L 6L 24 16 10 12 7 0 10 17 13 28 2 28 11 27 3 16 7 13 33 23 11 11 36 4 14 26 16 12 30 4 19 12 13 18 12 35 5 15 31 16 1 6 22 34 16 23 13 17 5 27 13 13 0 ((31 9 8 3 9 8 25)) 18W 5 11 35 12 8 27 19 21 28 14 7 10 32 6 15 ((7 7 11 12 25 12 29)) 34L 34L 36 31 8 5 2 27 24 23 ((8 29 6 9 2 9 32)) 23W 0 6 32 15 22 4 35 2 30 0 9 17 32 33 28 22 10 19 5 ((21 14 33 29 24 16 ((34)) 33L 28L 4 10 33 34)) 21W 23 10 28 11 12 12 4 17 36 19 6 0 15 27 4 36 0 34 21 29 8 34 6 33 14 29 3 1 10 23 23 24 ((25 30 35 10 26 33 3)) 13W 0 32 27 3 28 26 15 0 4 18 7 14 29 0 20 4 28 5 8 9 30 13 13 10 33 2 5 31 29 14 8 3 21 8 4 8 36 25 14 35 6 27 1 10 36 24 35 ((23 20 7 0 7 19 4 7)) 29W 12 13 36 31 11 20 35 35 2 17 27 15 18 7 21 ((36 25 7 35 12 7 31)) 2L 13W 21 30 1 ((29 33 33 32 21 29 9)) 24W
LWLLLWLLWLWLLLLLWLLWLLWLLLWLLLLWLLWLLWWWLWW
W= 3.
LW= 3.
LLW= 5.
LLLW= 2.
LLLLW= 1.
LLLLLW= 1.
LLLLLL= 0
PROGRESSION = +25
FLAT BETTING= -26
____________
Running totals.
PROGRESSION = +51u
FLAT BETTING= -16u
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Would have to see 4 losses of the progression of -17u now to see it go into a minus bankroll.
Quote from: Bettingking on Jan 29, 12:04 AM 2018
The more dozen misses the greater the chance of being hit? I guess you could look at the average over no. of spins to get the AVERAGE but the spins from hell will find the flaw in every system.
Who knows different people will have difference opinions on this one as it has been tried before...
I wonder if been tried exactly like this tho.
* wait 7 for trigger.
* bet twice on 8th + 9th spin
* stop loss of -17u
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 29, 12:32 PM 2018
I wonder if been tried exactly like this tho.
* wait 7 for trigger.
* bet twice on 8th + 9th spin
* stop loss of -17u
Sorry wont work. Its basic stuff. Dozens , column....
If you really love them .... then look which places get a hit in those dozens during a cycle. Wanna bet it wont repeat in the next cycle ? :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 29, 02:19 PM 2018
Sorry wont work. Its basic stuff. Dozens , column....
If you really love them .... then look which places get a hit in those dozens during a cycle. Wanna bet it wont repeat in the next cycle ? :thumbsup:
Thanks... And iv had a look at the play you are talking about years ago when on the forum. Maybe just didn't try or see a good way of playing it.
This single dozen bet is holding up so far tho.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 29, 02:58 PM 2018
This single dozen bet is holding up so far tho.
Go for it :thumbsup:
This sleeper dozen bet was tested many times in the past, save your time and try other bet selections. If you like dozen bets
better try to bet on hot/active dozen with
possitive progressions , still not long run winner but much better than sleeper stuff.
Also you can try other groups(not doz or col) like 9 numbers groups wheel based, but always bet the active groups.
Cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Jan 29, 04:43 PM 2018
This sleeper dozen bet was tested many times in the past, save your time and try other bet selections. If you like dozen bets
better try to bet on hot/active dozen with
possitive progressions , still not long run winner but much better than sleeper stuff.
Also you can try other groups(not doz or col) like 9 numbers groups wheel based, but always bet the active groups.
Cheers
👍 ok thanks
Hey Apolloo tried two sessions and both worked...but the
second session it took 33 minutes to get the first trigger dozen.
Unless you have a bankroll like $340
($20 base bet) it's not worth the time imho.
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino American
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 1:35pm CST USA
...26,23,11,18,7,22,11,8 (newest spin-value)
Bet third dozen for up to two spins.
1.) 32(win)+2
==============================
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino European
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 6:26pm CDT USA
...27,4,6,5,8,21,22,17 (newest spin-value)
Bet third dozen for up to two spins.
1.) 6(x)-1 2.) 36(win)+2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+1
==============================
Here is SpinMaster software to aid in tracking dozens.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 29, 08:12 PM 2018
Hey Apolloo tried two sessions and both worked...but the
second session it took 33 minutes to get the first trigger dozen.
Unless you have a bankroll like $340
($20 base bet) it's not worth the time imho.
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino American
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 1:35pm CST USA
...26,23,11,18,7,22,11,8 (newest spin-value)
Bet third dozen for up to two spins.
1.) 32(win)+2
==============================
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino European
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 6:26pm CDT USA
...27,4,6,5,8,21,22,17 (newest spin-value)
Bet third dozen for up to two spins.
1.) 6(x)-1 2.) 36(win)+2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+1
==============================
Here is SpinMaster software to aid in tracking dozens.
Yeah can be times with long waits like you said. Maybe playing exactly the same way but on the columns as well. So could go like
Trigger on dozens LL
8 spin gap
Trigg on columns LL
17 spin gap
Trigg on columns W
...
..
Basically cut the waiting time in half.
Quote from: Kattila on Jan 29, 04:43 PM 2018
This sleeper dozen bet was tested many times in the past, save your time and try other bet selections. If you like dozen bets
better try to bet on hot/active dozen with
possitive progressions , still not long run winner but much better than sleeper stuff.
Yes, for any group, betting on the active numbers or groups is far, far better than betting on the sleepers.
That is just the reality of roulette.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 29, 10:39 PM 2018
Yes, for any group, betting on the active numbers or groups is far, far better than betting on the sleepers.
That is just the reality of roulette.
Agree with kattila and DoctorSudoku, that's what I meant earlier by done the right way.
Still, this is just the base to work from, by itself it's not enough. :)
*Things just got interesting... :thumbsup:
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino American
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 9:20 pm CST USA
...2,36,33,19,31,34,33,17 (newest spin-value)
Bet first dozen up to two spins.
1.) 8(win)+2
==============================
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino European
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 9:34 pm CST USA
...28,9,9,19,19,2,6,21 (newest spin-value)
Bet third dozen up to two spins.
1.) 29(win)+2
==============================
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino American
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 9:49pm CST USA
...6,33,22,16,17,31,17,20 (newest spin-value)
Bet first dozen up to two spins.
1.) 3(win)+2
==============================
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino European
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 9:52pm CST USA
...15,25,7,1,14,35,35,14 (newest spin-value)
Bet third column up to two spins.
1.) 25(x)-1 2.) 12(win)+2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+1
Shouldn't you be +7 proof?
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 29, 11:44 PM 2018
Shouldn't you be +7 proof?
Including the earlier and these tests below I'm at +16
(Perfect score-no losing sessions btw)
Test:
Apolloo's Dozen @ RNG-
Monday, January 29,2018 @ 10:17pm CST USA
...7,21,5,30,20,27,5,2 (newest spin-value)
Bet first column for up to two spins.
1.) 12(x)-1 2.) 13(win)+2
-------------------------------------------------------------------
+1
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Monday, January 29,2018 @ 10:19pm CST USA
...5,27,9,34,21,7,25,16 (newest spin-value)
Bet second column for up to two spins.
1.) 19(x)-1 2.) 17(win)+2
-------------------------------------------------------------------
+1
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino European
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 10:33pm CST USA
...6,30,23,33,24,25,25,31 (newest spin-value)
Bet first dozen for up to two spins.
1.) 23(x)-1 2.) 13(x)-1
----------Progression 2x---------
...24,25,25,31,23,13,25,20 (newest spin-value)
Bet third column for up to two spins.
1.) 36(win)+4
-------------------------------------------------------------------
+2
==============================
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino American
Wheel-Monday, January 29,2018 @ 10:42pm CST USA
...27,35,16,24,5,6,21,15,22 (newest spin-value)
Bet third dozen for up to two spins.
1.) 29(win)+2
*two more winning sessions--and
won two side bets (unofficially) using two natural lines
Natural Lines: L1-6, L7-12,
L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36
When two lines miss seven consecutive spins.
(one line had missed more than seven
spins, the other line just missed seven)
It won in both instances: first on the second
bet, the other line session on the first bet.
==============================
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino American
Wheel-Tuesday, January 30,2018 @ 12:01am CST USA
...32,22,36,3,6,7,7,13 (newest spin-value)
Bet second column for up to two spins.
1.) 5(win)+2
==============================
Test: Apolloo's Dozen @ Celtic Casino European
Wheel-Tuesday, January 30,2018 @ 12:05am CST USA
...9,25,34,32,24,29,27,14 (newest spin-value)
Bet first dozen for up to two spins.
1.) 24(x)-1 2.) 22(x)-1
----------Progression 2x----------
...35,17,3,22,1,14,8,8 (newest spin-value)
Bet third dozen for up to two spins.
3.) 25(win)+4
-------------------------------------------------------------------
+2
I understand this could lose now and then. But iv tested on around 2,000 spins now and not seen it lose the 6 step progression. Some people lose in first session others maybe not see a loss in a year of playing. Not too bad for a 17u stake.