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Title: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 11, 06:03 PM 2018
we always hear that most players lose, unfortunately its true !
but why ?
Here the secret: most gambling systems and strategies are based on several basic errors in logic â€" errors that some of us commit every day.

Stop looking at classical systems  (systems that are based on table layouts, progressions etc) - these systems have been tested by million of people and they lost, stop wasting your time, yes stop right now!

Do you want to win ?

Here you go, start looking outside the box, you should find the secrets to unlock/decode the hit frequency.
Nevertheless, roulette is not actually a random game, because every spin is due to cause-and-effect.
A knowledge of maths is essential for anyone looking to get an edge in roulette.

Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: iar000 on Feb 11, 06:15 PM 2018
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Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: cht on Feb 11, 07:03 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 11, 06:03 PM 2018
we always hear that most players lose, unfortunately its true !
but why ?
Here the secret: most gambling systems and strategies are based on several basic errors in logic â€" errors that some of us commit every day.

Stop looking at classical systems  (systems that are based on table layouts, progressions etc) - these systems have been tested by million of people and they lost, stop wasting your time, yes stop right now!

Do you want to win ?

Here you go, start looking outside the box, you should find the secrets to unlock/decode the hit frequency.
Nevertheless, roulette is not actually a random game, because every spin is due to cause-and-effect.
A knowledge of maths is essential for anyone looking to get an edge in roulette.


I have said it so many times - roulette is a math game.

People lose because they ignored math.

Cause and effect is good to have but not necessary.
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: cht on Feb 11, 07:42 PM 2018
This is not a negative post to put others down or a self praise post.

I have seen so many threads where members do not use math at all.

All they do is to propose some sort of pattern play. Since it looks exotic,  it has a chance to win.

Supposedly,  random(noun) has a hard time going for or against the pattern - that's the common theme.
The pattern is due to come.

Reversion to the mean is never due.
We will never know how large the sd can be - don't underestimate random.
The same is true for diversion away from the mean.

For the pattern to win,  it must win more times than not. You have to count - meaning you need to plot the frequency distribution. Determine the bell curve top percentile,  the shape of the distribution if it has a fat tail of x sd,  whether it's skewed to one side, whether there's any ch as characteristic steep fall off point and so on.....

Like TG said,  for any system to win which are very very few,  one thing must happen more often than the opposite other.

You can only find that out by statistical math count. It must be stable and consistent to work in the future and better if it works on all ECs.
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: cht on Feb 11, 09:13 PM 2018
Don't fall into the trap of apophenia,  specifically pareidolia.

When testing with historical data, the common error is curve fitting.
link:s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curve_fitting
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 12, 04:09 AM 2018
I am sorry for the guys who still believe that roulette is beatable with classical systems.
There is no way to beat this game with such systems.

The Dynamics of this game is not linear, if we want to beat it we should use a "geared-system" in a not-static game.
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: cht on Feb 12, 05:19 AM 2018
Static systems will surely fail. Don't waste your time.

For it to work the model has to be dynamic.

I didn't make reference to this cos I think few understand this, so no point - out of scope. 
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Herby on Feb 12, 07:10 AM 2018
Quote from: cht on Feb 11, 07:42 PM 2018whether there's any ch as characteristic steep fall off point
Hi cht,
what do you mean with "any ch" .

You can show us some nonlinearities of the roulette game, not to understand can be a great challenge  ^-^
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: cht on Feb 12, 07:57 AM 2018
"... .whether there's any steep fall off point...."

Typo error.

About linear model,  it means your model plays the same pattern all the time.

Eg. Everytime R R B comes you bet against B B R

If you code a bot to test,  you will find that it fails.

For non-linear pattern, you bet it when it appears at chosen times identified by another bot that runs concurrently.

The bet is a summation of 2 or more algorithms.

Each one of these algos must show positive edge by themselves. Their summation must show enhanced positive edge - it becomes dynamic.

So you have to plot the main distribution frequency, another and so on to get the final optimised version.

A lot of work involve.  :(

You have to avoid curve fit error.  That means you test it with other sets of data. Test it with future data.  Most important test it with data from the casino you plan to play.
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 12, 08:07 AM 2018
i have modelled a multi-levels (4 levels) system that showing great results.

Level1 - Level3 are based on physics (ball motions)
Level4  based on LOTT

Levels work like gears, i switch between them depending on the workflow.
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: cht on Feb 12, 08:44 AM 2018
When you overlay 2 or more algos,  the end result can be weird - not necessary the combined version is better.

Even when combining losing systems,  it may yield a net positive outcome - parrando's paradox. The inverse is also true.

link:s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrondo%27s_paradox
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Lucky7Red on Feb 12, 10:30 AM 2018
Play on lucky 7 more often if you want to win more then you lose, red is not bad either.
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 05:55 AM 2018
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Feb 12, 10:30 AM 2018
Play on lucky 7 more often if you want to win more then you lose, red is not bad either.

Red is love's color.
Tomorrow is valentine day, I am gonna bet on 7 black -;)
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Herby on Feb 13, 06:25 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 05:55 AM 2018I am gonna bet on 7 black -;)

Your bet is rejected because its Level 0.
This way nobody beliefs that you win a LOTT.  :lol:
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Herby on Feb 13, 06:30 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 12, 08:07 AM 2018(ball motions)
What for do you need 2/5 for ball motions ?
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 07:35 AM 2018
Quote from: Herby on Feb 13, 06:30 AM 2018
What for do you need 2/5 for ball motions ?

What ???

Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 07:37 AM 2018
Quote from: Herby on Feb 13, 06:25 AM 2018
Your bet is rejected because its Level 0.
This way nobody beliefs that you win a LOTT.  :lol:


Not really, casino don't like players who bet on 7 black.
Reason is a lot of players have made fortunes betting on 7 black !

Lucky7red is one of them.

:-)
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 07:42 AM 2018
Enough fun !

Back to work, I want to put further  wise thoughts into into this thread :


Successful players know how to avoid mean and variance bias in roulette.

The majority of players fail to do so!
Title: Re: Why most player lose in roulette? is it true t roulette wheel always so tricky?
Post by: Herby on Feb 14, 08:18 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 13, 07:35 AM 2018Quote from: Herby on Yesterday at 01:30 PM

    What for do you need 2/5 for ball motions ?


What ???
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 12, 08:07 AM 2018Level1 - Level3 are based on physics (ball motions)

I just tried to find out if you meet somehow the factor "2/5" when you watch your balls moving.  ^-^