if you see or read this can you please explain to forum members why would you not play at Steves MPR game...thank you
Because he can't suck money from mpr.
question has been intended for Turbo...thx
Quote from: maestro on Mar 01, 09:32 AM 2018
question has been intended for Turbo...thx
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
i will take wild guess then...is it because of Steves shitty random MPR :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
I won't play there because my play is logged and obviously available to
people other than myself.
I had explained this before, a long time ago when I was playing there -
and uncovered cheating, then worked to see how this person was cheating.
(this person is/was a so-called prophet around here for a while lol)
Once I figured out a few ways that this person was cheating, and working with
Steve with this info - he implemented (I believe at this point somewhere) to be
able to track player's bets in order to determine how this person was cheating.
I believe all this was resolved - yet to my knowledge (not that I read every post) - that person was never publicly exposed for cheating, they continued on to post
and mislead members, but that's not my department. Maybe it was mentioned
and I missed it.
So I won't play there knowing whatever I do is logged, unless it's "just for fun" - and YES as Steve says -
Parx logs play, Roulette Simulator logs play and even plays back each session
so others can watch - however my account is set to private so this info isn't available to others. Parx gives little to no information on a player's bets other than what profit they are at compared to other players in the leaderboard rankings.
I'm not concerned that a legit operational casino with a website is going to be too concerned with revealing how I play there to others.
So for fun - sure I would log in and play there, I just simply won't play "my" way.
QuoteI won't play there because my play is logged and obviously available to
people other than myself.
I had explained this before, a long time ago when I was playing there -
and uncovered cheating, then worked to see how this person was cheating.
(this person is/was a so-called prophet around here for a while lol)
Once I figured out a few ways that this person was cheating, and working with
Steve with this info - he implemented (I believe at this point somewhere) to be
able to track player's bets in order to determine how this person was cheating.
I believe all this was resolved - yet to my knowledge (not that I read every post) - that person was never publicly exposed for cheating, they continued on to post
and mislead members, but that's not my department. Maybe it was mentioned
and I missed it.
So I won't play there knowing whatever I do is logged, unless it's "just for fun" - and YES as Steve says -
Parx logs play, Roulette Simulator logs play and even plays back each session
so others can watch - however my account is set to private so this info isn't available to others. Parx gives little to no information on a player's bets other than what profit they are at compared to other players in the leaderboard rankings.
I'm not concerned that a legit operational casino with a website is going to be too concerned with revealing how I play there to others.
So for fun - sure I would log in and play there, I just simply won't play "my" way.
thx Turbo for your time...and yeah you know Steve shitty MPR no undrstanding math but very good at hand made spin files...
thx again and take care.. :thumbsup:
Turbo, your answer doesnt even make sense.
QuoteI won't play there because my play is logged and obviously available to
people other than myself.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 03, 12:53 PM 2018
that person was never publicly exposed for cheating, they continued on to post
and mislead members, but that's not my department. Maybe it was mentioned
and I missed it.
It was explained to everyone because people were being misled. It wasnt right to withhold that information.
Whats more is you told me you wanted two accounts.. one for testing, and one for serious play. What happened?? Both rank bad, but now MPR is not good enough for you? You prefer rigged parx and rs with lots of winners. I dont like confrontations but its more important to call bullshit when I see it.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 03, 12:53 PM 2018Parx logs play, Roulette Simulator logs play and even plays back each session so others can watch - however my account is set to private so this info isn't available to others.
Nobody but the admin sees bet data, in any case. with mpr, everyones bets are set to “privateâ€. There is no public setting.
Roulettesimulator records a video for the admin.... and thats more private for you than MPR log file showing bets and payouts?? Come on. I dont buy your logic.
Quote from: maestro on Mar 03, 09:23 AM 2018
i will take wild guess then...is it because of Steves shitty random MPR :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
In case you missed it, mpr uses real wheel spins. If you find they are different to random.org rng, that means they are predictable and you can have a “better than random†win rate. But instead of blitzing the leaderboard, you have the expected win rate (loss).
Dont blame me or mpr. If the data you suggest is accurate, you wouldnt have a net loss, would you? You would have a clear positive win rate. Unless you deliberately lost over the 304,000 spins you played to teach us a lesson, or something. Thats a lot of spins to waste deliberately losing, isnt it? Or maybe the results of an inaccurate simulation didnt look good for you, so you blame MPR and me. Its easier.
MPR is a good way for everyone to see whos full of shit.
QuoteIn case you missed it, mpr uses real wheel spins. If you find they are different to random.org rng, that means they are predictable and you can have a “better than random†win rate. But instead of blitzing the leaderboard, you have the expected win rate (loss).
Dont blame me or mpr. If the data you suggest is accurate, you wouldnt have a net loss, would you? You would have a clear positive win rate. Unless you deliberately lost over the 304,000 spins you played to teach us a lesson, or something. Thats a lot of spins to waste deliberately losing, isnt it? Or maybe the results of an inaccurate simulation didnt look good for you, so you blame MPR and me. Its easier.
MPR is a good way for everyone to see whos full of shit.
i blame no one...hope you are not that stupid to understand
<and me to teach someone> nope
no matter what you say spins are not live spins and that is my opinion
So your mpr results are bad because spins are rng, and a known rng game you do better at is a better simulator.
Seriously?
Maybe your results are bad because your system doesnt work, and you want an excuse.
Its ok, almost every system fails. No need to blame mpr. Do you accuse real casinos for your losses? Not even my system is beating mpr.
QuoteDo you accuse real casinos for your losses? Not even my system is beating mpr.
no i do not....because of average for year
Quote from: Steve on Mar 04, 04:59 AM 2018You prefer rigged parx and rs with lots of winners. I dont like confrontations but its more important to call bullshit when I see it.
Interesting, "lots of winners" which isn't even close to the truth.
There is a leaderboard at Parx, the top 100 players for the week who are actually in profit - you don't see the tons of people who aren't in profit and therefore not on the list at all.
So when they total up the weeks play from everyone, I'm sure it comes out to the house edge like it should.
At the simulator site - there's also not many winners at all.
618 players ranked in total - how many are negative ? Take a look, it's the house edge when you total it up. So "lots of winners" is a completely wrong comment to make if you're going to try to show that these simulation games aren't accurate.
QuoteMPR is a good way for everyone to see whos full of shit.
exactly...soon will be 120 blacks in only 60 spins...no problem :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Turbo, you didnt address your contradicitons:
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 03, 12:53 PM 2018I won't play there (MPR) because my play is logged
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 03, 12:53 PM 2018Parx logs play, Roulette Simulator logs play and even plays back each session so others can watch - however my account is set to private so this info isn't available to others
Like I said, nobody but the admin sees bet data, in any case. with MPR, everyone's bets are set to “privateâ€. There is no public setting. Roulettesimulator records a video for the admin.... and that's more private for you than MPR log file showing bets and payouts?
Could you please explain the contradictions?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 04, 01:53 PM 2018There is a leaderboard at Parx, the top 100 players for the week who are actually in profit - you don't see the tons of people who aren't in profit and therefore not on the list at all.
You still dont understand the math of Parx. When the casino gives you lots of free money, and you win with that, you easily overcome the house edge. If all players played very often, eventually they'd lose the bonus money too. But players who play a lot but not too much have a strong advantage over the house and other players. So for sure if you looked at amount wagered, amount of spins played, and amount won, you'd see the optimum player edge correlate to amount wagered, amount of spins played, and amount won. And it will be heavily biased towards players with the optimum variables.
The player edge would be very strong positive for players with optimum variables, and a bit better than -2.7% edge for players that simply played too much and lost all their bankroll INCLUDING the bonuses. Looking at the players all the way at the end of the leaderboard is not how to assess it properly. You need to consider all wagers from all players. If you do that with MPR, you find the results are as expected with the house edge.
QuoteSo when they total up the weeks play from everyone, I'm sure it comes out to the house edge like it should.
When every player gets paid extra just for logging in and plays with the casino's money, and some players win huge play money prizes, how could it possibly be the expected house edge? You will have some players very close to it, some very far from it, but the average will definitely be a weaker house edge. The player with a strong positive edge are the ones who played lots, but not too much.
Turbo, regarding RS, here are the top 41 and bottom 41 compared. See the total profit and loss. I had to estimate the private totals based on the visible values surrounding a private value. Notice the winners have a higher amount by around 8%:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/05/temp_160578.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GdPco)
It is a snapshot of what's happening, and it indicates players have a strong edge. Do the same with MPR and you'll find the player edge is more like -2.7%. The RS data isn't complete and only the admin would know all data.
But what does it tell you?
Quote from: maestro on Mar 04, 08:38 AM 2018no i do not....because of average for year
Maestro, how are comps proof of winning? They are more like proof of losing because if you were constantly winning online, your account would be terminated.
Quote from: maestro on Mar 04, 04:15 PM 2018exactly...soon will be 120 blacks in only 60 spins...no problem :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
If you could actually predict the spin outcomes, you would be winning on MPR. But after something like 300,000 spins you are clearly losing.
Again, Parx is clearly rigged. I explained the math. Now the data I published indicates RS is rigged too. Someone should check all 60 or so pages of data if they have time, but the snapshot of data shows players have about a +8% edge. But at MPR, where a database of real spins are used, all important stats are transparent.... and everyone can see the overall player edge is -2.7%.
So Maestro, Turbo and whoever else, if you are losing at MPR, it's expected. MPR is designed as a proper simulation with even ground for everyone. It is not designed just for entertainment.
QuoteMaestro, how are comps proof of winning?
well i thought you had a bit of brain....comps came up in snipping tool as i cut the screen
and yes this is what i deposit on average and take out on average....and about closing my account ...yes they can do that there is always way to play
<oh and next time before you make wrong assumtions move few brain cells and only then do the action> you know cause and effect :wink: :wink:
Ok maestro so your avg ins and outs total £1000, per year. Are you playing with me?
Are you betting £0.10 units or something? Because even at £1 units your results arent anywhere near statistically relevant. Your loss over 300,000 spins on mpr are. Is that why you dont like mpr?
A few random bets per year is all your screenshot could show. You arent winning anything significant or your account wouldnt even last years. Really, carefully consider what you call proof.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 04, 11:36 PM 2018But what does it tell you?
Honestly what’s happening here. That’s the woRst calculation of house edge I have seen. People do reset games, people do use it for multiple reasons. The ones who lose more tend to reset most and people who win will tend to leave it in the table. That ranking doesn’t mean anything. Steve if you really want to disprove something then play there and post your 300k plus.
Both roulette simulator and MPR serve different purpose. Roulette simulator is a good simulator if you want to test systems. It is more like Rx with a flexibility to record sessions and a ranking table. Ranking algorithm is very straight forward. MPR is a multi player chat with archived roulette spins. It is not quick like RS and simulates casino environment. There is no way you can reset your history.
I wouldn’t waste my time getting to leaderboard in either of them. But yes, some fanatics do.
QuoteIs that why you dont like mpr?
i like mpr i have done lots of spins..so you know :xd: :xd:
and casino play never mind that i deal with that :wink:
Quote from: Steve on Mar 04, 11:36 PM 2018
Turbo, regarding RS, here are the top 41 and bottom 41 compared. See the total profit and loss. I had to estimate the private totals based on the visible values surrounding a private value. Notice the winners have a higher amount by around 8%:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/05/temp_160578.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GdPco)
It is a snapshot of what's happening, and it indicates players have a strong edge. Do the same with MPR and you'll find the player edge is more like -2.7%. The RS data isn't complete and only the admin would know all data.
But what does it tell you?
I don't have all the answers but if I had to give one reason why players can do better on RS, it's simply because they can use as long as they need or like to figure out their next bet. With MPR you have 30 seconds tops, and more often than is reasonable the game fires off numbers well short of 30 seconds, and that mostly happens when bets are becoming more complex, or when deep in progression.
I for one can't comfortably play the game I would like to play on MPR because of the disruption and cost of the frequent glitches that come from streaming numbers in real time. The game does freeze every so often, and again it's often when deep in a triggered progression. The only way to move forward is to refresh the page, which gets it going again, but purges the current bet. Then one has to factor in a missed spin and depending on the result, decide whether to continue or cop the loss and start a fresh session. It can be expensive and hurts the hard earned bankroll.
Also IMO the layout is too small for players to mouse click their way through a shit load of bet placements with only 30 seconds, and there is always the hovering fear that the game will shoot off a number well short of 30 seconds and stuff up your mojo.
I must say the double up button has helped.
Oh, and RS position 7 is wrong. My total is currently 232075 with only 60 games played.
For mpr we had a vote and agreed on the time between spins. I cant please everyone.
I havent experienced freezes. Only slight lags that you get with any live online casino.
Also you can change the interface size like any other web page. Try hold CTRL and use mouse wheel to zoom in/out.
Anyway this discussion isnt supppsed to be so much about games. More like which is a better place for competitive and realistic testing. Rx is best for testing "systems" but not in a competitive environment. Mpr is the better option for that, but it has some downsides which are a necessity.
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 05, 03:35 AM 2018I don't have all the answers but if I had to give one reason why players can do better on RS, it's simply because they can use as long as they need or like to figure out their next bet. With MPR you have 30 seconds tops, and more often than is reasonable the game fires off numbers well short of 30 seconds, and that mostly happens when bets are becoming more complex, or when deep in progression.
I for one can't comfortably play the game I would like to play on MPR because of the disruption and cost of the frequent glitches that come from streaming numbers in real time. The game does freeze every so often, and again it's often when deep in a triggered progression. The only way to move forward is to refresh the page, which gets it going again, but purges the current bet. Then one has to factor in a missed spin and depending on the result, decide whether to continue or cop the loss and start a fresh session. It can be expensive and hurts the hard earned bankroll.
100% agree
But you can set 30sec at RS so be like MPR. Yes when freeze/ crash better its mucked your game and like Mr T says do you carry on.
Why this need for speed, when i'm at B+M which is not often, spins take a minute or more, so 30 sec is bollox, even at shit hole Aspers MK its 40/45 sec on slow part of day as the croupier spins to the green light. i suppose the plasterers will accept green light go at 30 second soon if not already done, but when at busy part of day back to realistic spin time
Quote from: Steve on Mar 04, 11:09 PM 2018When every player gets paid extra just for logging in and plays with the casino's money, and some players win huge play money prizes, how could it possibly be the expected house edge?
Because, as I said before - the leaderboard rankings are only based on profit from play.
It does not include any credits given to you for any other reason.
I get 3k per day for log-in bonus.
So in a week I would have a 21k bankroll - guess what - I won't be on the leaderboard with 21k, I won't be on it at all.
I take 3k to the casino every time I go (example). If I don't WIN, then I don't make any profit.
It's no difference at all.
I do understand your points - but they don't apply here.
If I "gave" you a million dollars and someone else 1,000.00 and you both go
into the casino. You "could" walk out with 40,000 profit while the other player
might walk out with 500.00 profit. So you would rank #1 and to you that isn't fair.
But EVERYONE gets the same amount for a bonus - everyone.
So it's a level playing field between everyone.
Now If I had 4 million and others are broke - the only reason for that is because
I played for months and made profits, growing my bankroll and climbing the
board - which in reality is what any player should be doing.
I had no advantage over anyone else - we get the same amount but my bankroll
is so much higher because of my play, not because of something being unfair
or rigged.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 04, 10:57 PM 2018Like I said, nobody but the admin sees bet data, in any case. with MPR, everyone's bets are set to “privateâ€. There is no public setting. Roulettesimulator records a video for the admin.... and that's more private for you than MPR log file showing bets and payouts?
Could you please explain the contradictions?
There's no contradiction here.
I am comfortable with R-Sim and Parx knowing how I play. They could probably care less how or what I'm doing. My play logs are secured enough, I seriously doubt they would ever appear on a forum somewhere.
In the casino - everything is also recorded (from above usually). Surely they could reverse engineer from video what I'm doing, but in that case I also make other bets and I assume that would throw them off enough. Even AP players lose on purpose to not expose what they are doing. I also don't win nearly enough to raise any eyebrows.
But on the internet where I've posted for (how long ??) on multiple forums - why would I give one person complete access to what I'm doing exactly ?
What level of trust is involved regardless of how many times someone might say "I wouldn't spend the time reverse engineering your play log" or "I'm the only one with access to it, surely I wouldn't reveal it anywhere". Sorry, I trust no one to that level.
If I play there and take first, stay there for as long as I want and build a massive bankroll - you're not going to look at my bets and spins to see how it was done ? You would actually have to do that to ensure I wasn't cheating.
You're not going to mention a word to anyone - never going to take that info and use it ?
Like I said, I don't trust anyone at that level to allow that to happen when I have the option to play somewhere else. I would still play there for fun though, of course.
But I'll be in the pool of winners and losers like everyone else - and what will that cause ?
"Turbo has been playing on my game for months and isn't doing better than anyone else".
At Simulator site -
Players #1-#252 are on the leaderboard in profit
Players #253-#260 are even and
Players #261-622 are in the negative.
That is completely in line with expected.
Anyone remember "38 people go into a casino" thread ?
1/3 win.... a small amount are "break even".... and 2/3 are negative and that
is simply flat betting a single number over and over and over.
So I'm in 4th of 622 - therefore "rigged".
I understand.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 05, 07:05 AM 2018
There's no contradiction here.
I am comfortable with R-Sim and Parx knowing how I play. They could probably care less how or what I'm doing. My play logs are secured enough, I seriously doubt they would ever appear on a forum somewhere.
In the casino - everything is also recorded (from above usually). Surely they could reverse engineer from video what I'm doing, but in that case I also make other bets and I assume that would throw them off enough. Even AP players lose on purpose to not expose what they are doing. I also don't win nearly enough to raise any eyebrows.
But on the internet where I've posted for (how long ??) on multiple forums - why would I give one person complete access to what I'm doing exactly ?
What level of trust is involved regardless of how many times someone might say "I wouldn't spend the time reverse engineering your play log" or "I'm the only one with access to it, surely I wouldn't reveal it anywhere". Sorry, I trust no one to that level.
If I play there and take first, stay there for as long as I want and build a massive bankroll - you're not going to look at my bets and spins to see how it was done ? You would actually have to do that to ensure I wasn't cheating.
You're not going to mention a word to anyone - never going to take that info and use it ?
Like I said, I don't trust anyone at that level to allow that to happen when I have the option to play somewhere else. I would still play there for fun though, of course.
But I'll be in the pool of winners and losers like everyone else - and what will that cause ?
"Turbo has been playing on my game for months and isn't doing better than anyone else".
Everyday when i Wake up and start reading again, i Always Have the feeling that i'm as dumb as a Monkey, well they are even smarter!
After All these years, following every thread and post you Have posted in Different forums, i'm still way in the dark and i guess i Will Always be regarding your System. But everytime you say that when we know what you are doin' regarding repeaters, we will All say, No way, is that how it is done, that simple? I honestly don't know what we are all doin', because there are many very Smart People here on this Forum and yet No one can figure out how you play repeaters and they you Will profit everytime from it. I Just can't get it out of my head. If it were that simple, why didn't someone figured it out by now. The Quest Goes on....
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 05, 07:16 AM 2018
At Simulator site -
Players #1-#252 are on the leaderboard in profit
Players #253-#260 are even and
Players #261-622 are in the negative.
That is completely in line with expected.
Anyone remember "38 people go into a casino" thread ?
1/3 win.... a small amount are "break even".... and 2/3 are negative and that
is simply flat betting a single number over and over and over.
So I'm in 4th of 622 - therefore "rigged".
I understand.
Not rigged, only a Genius at work!
What is mpr & parx?
Is this about 'fun money' roulette?
I don't doubt the vaildity of anyone's claims, but some people would. I mean, I know if I had a profitable system I would be using my time playing with real money instead.
I remember Turbo saying in a post that he is not interested in money, but we all surely know someone who could use some! I have a 7 month old daughter, so I my risk tolerance is low, and would test anything a lot 1st.
Yeah you could use fun money to test, but if you had a 'cannot lose' system? ...nah.
QuoteOk maestro so your avg ins and outs total £1000, per year. Are you playing with me?
Are you betting £0.10 units or something? Because even at £1 units your results arent anywhere near statistically relevant. Your loss over 300,000 spins on mpr are. Is that why you dont like mpr?
A few random bets per year is all your screenshot could show. You arent winning anything significant or your account wouldnt even last years. Really, carefully consider what you call proof.
again you do not use your brain...for a year means 300 something days if i remember....so average.... average <amount in> and< average amount out>...
math you know... :xd: :xd: :xd:
QuoteAt Simulator site -
Players #1-#252 are on the leaderboard in profit
Players #253-#260 are even and
Players #261-622 are in the negative.
That is completely in line with expected.
Anyone remember "38 people go into a casino" thread ?
1/3 win.... a small amount are "break even".... and 2/3 are negative and that
is simply flat betting a single number over and over and over.
So I'm in 4th of 622 - therefore "rigged".
I understand.
too much math Turbo...Steve will get sick of it :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 05, 06:51 AM 2018Because, as I said before - the leaderboard rankings are only based on profit from play.
It does not include any credits given to you for any other reason.
Again Turbo, I know that. But what about PROFITS MADE FROM THE WINNINGS WITH BONUS MONEY? That's what I'm referring to.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 05, 06:51 AM 2018I do understand your points - but they don't apply here.
You understand the casino give you their money to play with changes the house edge, but it doesnt change the house edge?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 05, 06:51 AM 2018If I "gave" you a million dollars and someone else 1,000.00 and you both go into the casino. You "could" walk out with 40,000 profit while the other player might walk out with 500.00 profit. So you would rank #1 and to you that isn't fair. But EVERYONE gets the same amount for a bonus - everyone.
No they don't. You get higher bonuses for consecutive day logins. And all it takes is a player to login often, get lucky once, then continue to login every day and play a lot (but not too much), and you're practically guaranteed to rank high. Keep at it and you keep having a very high chance of continued high prizes.
At least you now acknowledge the advantage of having a larger bankroll. But you are still missing a big part.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 05, 07:05 AM 2018There's no contradiction here.
I am comfortable with R-Sim and Parx knowing how I play. They could probably care less how or what I'm doing. My play logs are secured enough, I seriously doubt they would ever appear on a forum somewhere.
In the casino - everything is also recorded (from above usually). Surely they could reverse engineer from video what I'm doing, but in that case I also make other bets and I assume that would throw them off enough. Even AP players lose on purpose to not expose what they are doing. I also don't win nearly enough to raise any eyebrows.
But on the internet where I've posted for (how long ??) on multiple forums - why would I give one person complete access to what I'm doing exactly ?
What level of trust is involved regardless of how many times someone might say "I wouldn't spend the time reverse engineering your play log" or "I'm the only one with access to it, surely I wouldn't reveal it anywhere". Sorry, I trust no one to that level.
Ok so now you are saying you trust roulette-simulator admin because they dont know you, whereas you dont trust me because I know you.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 05, 07:05 AM 2018If I play there and take first, stay there for as long as I want and build a massive bankroll - you're not going to look at my bets and spins to see how it was done?
First I would check for cheating, as the logs were designed. Then if you had an abnormally high win rate with a statistically significant amount of spins, you would have my attention. I would then check the integrity of the spins you won on. If your streak continued over enough spins, rather than taking time to reverse engineer your system, I would personally ask you if you were interested in sharing your system. I could reverse engineer a system if I wanted, but it would be easier and I would honestly prefer to outright pay for a system if it were the HG. There is no revelation that any online site can duplicate your system. At least i'm not recording videos of your exact sessions like RS is. And you can bet online casinos are much better equipped to reverse engineer your system, but you readily reveal your system to parx, with fun money. When it comes to your results on MPR anyway, you spent a lot of time there.... to lose? If you had no intention to win, then why did you tell me you wanted one serious account and one test account?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 05, 07:16 AM 2018Players #1-#252 are on the leaderboard in profit
Players #253-#260 are even and
Players #261-622 are in the negative.
That is completely in line with expected.
You would need to look at the actual totals and add them up.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 05, 07:21 AM 2018Not rigged, only a Genius at work!
Logic, math and reason indicates this isn't the case. I would like to give Turbo the benefit of doubt, but there isn't really doubt because of substantiating information I've already explained. For example, an edge at Parx is easily obtained. It is not opinion. Check the math. With RS, the data I checked indicated much the same but someone would need to look into it further. And the only reputable test I know of (MPR) shows a clear loss with Turbo's system.
Take it further and anyone with experience would understand Turbo's approach cannot work. It has all been explained before. I've also explained how anyone can test this. Few people actually understand the reasoning, and how it is confirmed with very simple tests.
Also Turbo, you know from our private conversations the logs were not implemented before someone was suspected of cheating. If I wanted to steal systems, dont you think I would have the log from the start? Or better yet video record sessions like RS does?
This is not about logs, stealing systems etc. All this is about establishing credibility for your claims. And my responses highlight important facts, which explain your results are not credible, and you are misleading people. It is wasting people's time.
Sure it's their time to waste. But there are people actually interested in the truth, and how to verify it for themselves.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 05:27 AM 2018I havent experienced freezes.
Oh it freezes alright.
Next time it happens I'll take a screen shot or two.
Ha! Well that didn't take long.
First log in and two spins into the session the game froze.
Here are two screenshots, first one when it froze and second one 6 minutes later.
The game will now remain frozen for as long as I stay logged on, unless someone else logs on, which will free it up.
It's now 5:10pm here and the game is still frozen.
:thumbsup:
Ok, so I think what's happening is the game sometimes bumps players offline, whether it be one single player or a whole group (I've seen both). Then it goes into idle mode because there are no players logged in. So it's not actually frozen, just idling.
Why it's bumping people off I have no idea. It happens a lot though.
Usually when it happens to a group, one or more people log back on and the game kicks off again. At that point, if you were bumped off and don't log back on you can still play the game normally but without your username being seen.
It's definitely a glitch.
I will set a bot and record video to check. What browser and os do you have?
Exactly what happens in a freeze?
Quote from: Steve on Mar 06, 02:00 AM 2018
I will set a bot and record video to check. What browser and os do you have?
Exactly what happens in a freeze?
I am using win7 64bit, mozilla firefox. It freezes randomly and I have to refresh to get it work, even sometimes I am the only player there, it freezes.
also sometimes even without pressing ready tick, it spins next immediately after 1 spin.
thanks for your support.
Quote from: sugtips on Mar 06, 02:23 AM 2018also sometimes even without pressing ready tick, it spins next immediately after 1 spin.
Or the spin completes and the ready is still ticked
this is what Roulette simulator site uses to run random numbers according to the customer dep
it says is fair and no way results are predictable
for sure results are not being hand joined on the toilet paper from multy tables :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Do you always believe what you're told?
their words are just as good as yours.....if your spins are random and theirs is random too but results are diff so must be some shitt somewhere....
Check the combined results of players. It was explained before.
QuoteIt was explained before.
by who...you..
lets leave it here and get going with more important things...everyone has head and can draw their own conclusions :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 08:58 PM 2018No they don't. You get higher bonuses for consecutive day logins. And all it takes is a player to login often, get lucky once, then continue to login every day and play a lot (but not too much), and you're practically guaranteed to rank high.
Again, not true at all. Everyone starts with a small sign in bonus and then it climbs until (like everyone playing there) it maxes out at 3k per day - for everyone. There is nothing unfair about it, we all get the same amount. If you let it build and don't play, you'll never be on the leaderboard. People who play risk losing it - that's how the game works.
People who win will grow their bankroll and continue climbing upwards.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 08:58 PM 2018And the only reputable test I know of (MPR) shows a clear loss with Turbo's system.
Not true, I never played "my system" on MPR - therefore it couldn't possibly have failed.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 09:02 PM 2018which explain your results are not credible, and you are misleading people. It is wasting people's time.
Sure it's their time to waste.
Have you been reading ? Some people haven't had their time wasted at all.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 06, 07:06 AM 2018
Again, not true at all. Everyone starts with a small sign in bonus and then it climbs until (like everyone playing there) it maxes out at 3k per day - for everyone. There is nothing unfair about it, we all get the same amount. If you let it build and don't play, you'll never be on the leaderboard. People who play risk losing it - that's how the game works.
People who win will grow their bankroll and continue climbing upwards.
Not true, I never played "my system" on MPR - therefore it couldn't possibly have failed.
Have you been reading ? Some people haven't had their time wasted at all.
@ Turbo, stop replying to these posts, it isn't worth it. those Who don't read, won't learn.
Taotie, I had a bot running for hours and still no freeze. Are you possibly opening up a separate window, or are logged in elsewhere? Because then the server logs you out to prevent a cheating loophole.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 06, 07:06 AM 2018Again, not true at all. Everyone starts with a small sign in bonus and then it climbs until (like everyone playing there) it maxes out at 3k per day - for everyone.
Read what I said. What happens when one player logs in every day for weeks, and another player logs in every second day?
Player 1: gets huge bonus every day, and can easily out-rank player 2
Player 2: gets much smaller bonus and cannot compete with player 1, provided they don't play too much.
Sure everyone CAN login every day, but that's not what would happen, which works in favor of players who are regulars. I've explained it before. Not sure why you are pulling the "but everyone can do the same... if they want" card.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 06, 07:06 AM 2018If you let it build and don't play, you'll never be on the leaderboard. People who play risk losing it - that's how the game works.
You're still missing it. Winnings from bonus credits are counted. Either you really don't understand this, or you're deliberately avoiding it.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 06, 07:06 AM 2018Not true, I never played "my system" on MPR - therefore it couldn't possibly have failed.
So when you said you want two accounts (one for testing, one for serious play), you deliberately used a losing system for your serious account?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 06, 07:06 AM 2018Have you been reading ? Some people haven't had their time wasted at all.
Even the martingale seems great, for a while.
Even CEH "had something", for a while.
I explained some basic testing on the other thread:
A Simple Test:1. First understand that testing the principle of repeaters is not reliant on there being a wheel with 37 pockets. If repeaters were real, you'd get the same thing happening on a wheel with 3 15, 26, 37 or however many pockets. The only difference is testing a hypothetical wheel with fewer pockets takes much less time.
2. Download the free software at link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-pattern-detector/ (make sure you know how to format the input data)
3. Find a reputable source of random number generator. Most people use :.random.org - generate hundreds of thousands of spins with numbers between 1-10. You could do it with 37 numbers but the testing will take longer.
4. Use the free software to check how many times these sequences happen:
1,1,2
1,1,1,2
1,1,1,1,2
1,1,1,1,1,2
1,2,4,3,8,3,2,2,2
1,2,4,3,8,3,2,2,3
1,2,4,3,8,3,2,2,4
1,2,4,3,8,3,2,2,5
There are countless combinations of "repeaters" you can think of. Test everything imaginable. Test your "triggers" for betting on repeaters. Make them as simple or complex as you want.
IMPORTANT: The more complex (longer) your sequence of spins, the more spins you must test for reliable results. So if you have 10,000 spins and want the sequence 1,2,3,1,1, it may never happen in 10,000 spins. But it will happen many times in 100B spins. It's all just a matter of SCALE. This is important to understand because RANDOM HAS NO BULLSHIT LIMITS. It just keeps going and going. Ideally you should be testing with sets of millions of spins at least. You want to be sure, right?
5. Repeat the testing with different sequences, and compare how many times a sequence will appear in your test spins. REMEMBER you need lots of spins for proper testing. You cannot possibly get reliable results with even millions of spins if you test random numbers with 37 different numbers. If you test on a smaller scale (10 numbers) it is the same principle being tested but on a different scale. If you really want to test on 37 spins, you only need more test spins.
WHAT YOU WILL FIND:No special sequence of numbers will occur more frequently than another. Whether it be killer repeaters like 1,1,1,1,1,5 or a more ordinary-looking sequence like 1,4,2,3,9,3... they will occur the same amount of times. There will of course be slight differences, and they are less differences the more spins you test.
MY POINT is test any "amazing" run of repeaters you want. You will find repeaters is delusion. No matter what numbers repeat, the odds of the next number spinning HAVE NOT CHANGED.
There is simply no reason why a previous number, or group of numbers, would have any influence on future spins. There is an exception but I wont confuse matters here. Let's keep it simple.
Anyone can do the testing themselves. You can write an even better program to do the testing. For example, make it test with random sequences. With related approaches, you can uncover statistical anomalies, which is what other software I developed does. But again let's keep i simple here. Test for yourself, then you repeaters players will find you've been wasting your time.
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Yes yes, you will say "you beat a math game with math and the math doesnt matter", and you "win because spins are random" etc. To anyone who understands, you don't appear to understand the contradictions. Anyway all truth comes out eventually. In this case though, I think it will just be an endless loop of disciples chasing their tails looking for "turbo's secret".
Apologies. I've not thoroughly read everything here but thought I'd share my opinion on Parx etc.
I've not had a lot of time recently but might have a pop at one of the other simulators everyone seems to be on about.
The argument about Parx seems a bit pointless. Its not really about getting to the top of the leaderboard. However getting there and staying there week after week is proof, if to nobody else, then to the person using it, that something they are doing keeps working.
The bonuses don't count towards your profit, but yes if you login and save up 100K and then start playing, you could get to the top very easily. But who cares. Its not about that. The bonuses or prizes don't themselves keep you winning or give you an edge.
Someone might start with 1K and get to 20K by the end of the week. Its the same value as someone starting with 10K and getting to 200K by the end of the week. No difference to me. Screw the leaderboard.
But if you're genuinely using it for testing and you keep repeating your results, then of course, your bankroll will have you showing higher on the board more easily and sooner.
Those measly bonuses really won't stop you losing it all very easily if you're not doing something right consistently. You might get lucky for a while, but those bonuses provide no edge and cant prop up a losing method for very long.