When you start to play roulette you probably have no experience or little knowledge of the game.
So I’ll pass on bet placements, progressions and the many methods put forward on forums.
Something called law of the third might be of help to you, don’t be swayed by a few, who say it is irrelevant.
What is LOTT, it’s an average of 37 spins, why 37spins, probability would use 37 spins to find out how many of the starting 37 numbers hit once in the 1st 37 spins. Answer from 2 reliable people show that on average 24 numbers hit once. That’s it should need no more explaining.
So if 24 numbers hit once on average, you now see a game of 2 possibilities, one is betting on the numbers that have not hit and the other option of betting on the numbers that have hit, repeats.
Now the above LOTT (LOTT shortened down from Law Of The Third) what does it give you, only knowledge on that you’ll likely see 24 numbers hit in 37 spins.
Let’s look over 40 spins broken down into 4 blocks of 10 spins.
Spins 1-10; how many of the starting 37 non-hit numbers, are likely to hit? The most common occurrence is 9/10; 9 of the starting 37 have hit and 1 has repeated.
Spins 11-20; now it becomes interesting, you are starting the last 30 spins. So what is so good about this? If you are going to bet singles on the mat, be it either the remaining un-hit numbers or the numbers that have repeated, there’s an average to these last 30 spins.
The last 30 spins on collected data and not many have collected this data, shows the 30 spins on average give 15 non-hit numbers from the remaining non-hit after spin 10 and the other 15 spins have to be repeats.
In spins 11-20 how many of the remaining non-hit average to hit, answer 7, so the other 3 spins must be repeats from spins 1-10 and spin 11 going to spin 20, you see the 2 possibilities, bet non-hit or bet for repeats. So it’s quite simple to play.
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This checkpoint box shows how the 40 spins usually appear.
Spins 11-20; 7, +2
Spins 21-30; 5, +2
Spins 31-40; 3, +0
7, 5, 3 the average for 15 non-hit numbers over spins 11-40
For an example of this link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20025.msg191432#msg191432
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So this game today from Mort, the non-hit gave over the 40 spins, 27 non-hit numbers, +3 on the average of 15, so better to be betting for non-hit numbers.
If you were playing for repeats of the (2x's) to go 3x's very expensive, how much are the 10 2x's costing you
Understanding this concept is tremendously beneficial. Watching what is going on is key. Thanks for posting, Notto.
WG
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 15, 05:55 AM 2018
If you were playing for repeats of the (2x's) to go 3x's very expensive, how much are the 10 2x's costing you
Nottop,
Last year, I did a lot of testing with real spins (dealer and airball) on:
2-peaters to become 3-peaters
and
3-peaters to become 4-peaters.
Unless you get some early hits, betting on the above two groups of numbers (NOT necessarily simultaneously) can get expensive very frequently and very quickly.
are you betting the first ten numbers in spins 11 to 20?!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 30, 08:06 PM 2018
are you betting the first ten numbers in spins 11 to 20?!
No, the betting starts at spin 11 if i'm correct.
We don't bet the spins 1-10.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 30, 08:06 PM 2018
are you betting the first ten numbers in spins 11 to 20?!
RG i just do the thing that the 2 idiots at GF slag off, the TROT.
Look it dont change
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The more days go by the better it gets.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 15, 05:55 AM 2018
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So this game today from Mort, the non-hit gave over the 40 spins, 27 non-hit numbers, +3 on the average of 15, so better to be betting for non-hit numbers.
If you were playing for repeats of the (2x's) to go 3x's very expensive, how much are the 10 2x's costing you
So what do you personaly think it's the best way to play this (every 60 spins)
I still can't find a good playing style with the KTF. Can you explaining in detail how you play it? Thanks.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 31, 12:07 PM 2018
So what do you personaly think it's the best way to play this (every 60 spins)
I still can't find a good playing style with the KTF. Can you explaining in detail how you play it? Thanks.
Ed
Since KTF started way back, i've collected more and more data.
The more i collect the more the averages stabilize.
I recently posted somewhere a line for the non-hits average to hit. It just dont change for airball, bookies RNG and even on live spins its perfect.
I now just work with the 37 starting non-hit, i juat watch for chance to bet non-hit or even repeats.
In spins 11-20 the average for non-hit is 7 of the 10 spins, so 3 repeats.
Now this happens, whether its been 8/10 or 10/10 you are just watching, spin 11 repeats so the non-hits are behind the average to hit as up to the 19th non-hit they avg to hit in 2 spins, so now i have to make decison do i bet for non-hit or bet another repeat.
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spin 11 repeat it happens but should not the larger group should hit, missed its average but came next spin.
Look at spin 23 you'd be betting 19 non-hit means 18 have come, but if you are just watching its missed the avg next spin it came
This is your spins from rock around the block, so no curve fitting as DSAA would say just look at checkpoint 11-20; 7 non-hit came and 15 hit in spins 11-40
I think that when taking First profit and then Exit with a bank of let's say 1200 (3 Times Starting bank for a session) units, there won't be a problem with the +1 / -1 progression. There Will Always be a Time when you are in profit. And as soon as that happens you Exit and start again fresh with 10 new spins. Playing this way it won't Make a huge bankroll growht and not enough to say Goodbye to you Boss Earnings, but i believe that playing like this is the closet thing we can get to a HG. But you Always need to take First profit and stick to the +1 / -1 progression. Just my two cents. And set a stop go home Point.
I played this last week at my bm and was at a point where i needed to bet a 8 step progression, but still went Home with 46 euro profit. Took a Long Time but a profit is a profit. There is Always a next Time to earn More.
I brought a bank of 2500 euro, that seemed enough to with stand almost everything with the KTF. Hey and they even played bon Jovi at some Point :smile: not the KTF Song. But still.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 31, 01:51 PM 2018
I played this last week at my bm and was at a point where i needed to bet a 8 step progression, but still went Home with 46 euro profit. Took a Long Time but a profit is a profit. There is Always a next Time to earn More.
I brought a bank of 2500 euro, that seemed enough to with stand almost everything with the KTF. Hey and they even played bon Jovi at some Point :smile: not the KTF Song. But still.
you wont believe what i'm trying now, maybe later if i can handle the spins
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 31, 01:59 PM 2018
you wont believe what i'm trying now, maybe later if i can handle the spins
You got my attention. :smile:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 31, 02:24 PM 2018
You got my attention. :smile:
A taster Eddy
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Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 31, 03:16 PM 2018
A taster Eddy
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Ok, KTF with a Different approach?
It's a reset at +100, for sure...
What's the trigger to start KTF? You seem to be waiting a few spins before starting?
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Sort of eddy
betting a coffee on this one, notto:
the first graph, you kept the progression at +1 (no -1 when win) until +100;
Second ( I did not watch the game): used a factor x2 ( Marty) until+100. Got scared at spin 55?
Where's my coffee? did I win it?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 31, 08:27 PM 2018
betting a coffee on this one, notto:
the first graph, you kept the progression at +1 (no -1 when win) until +100;
Second ( I did not watch the game): used a factor x2 ( Marty) until+100. Got scared at spin 55?
Where's my coffee? did I win it?
If we take First profit and we only bet in spin 11-20 were 7 non hit numbers on average do appear, we are ok with +1 only. After that it gets scared real quick. A bank of 3 Time 400 units Will do Fine.
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Sort of eddy
If you testing systems on roulette symulator you wasting my time, try to make your tests in live casino and you will see the big difference.
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Apr 01, 07:15 AM 2018
If you testing systems on roulette symulator you wasting my time, try to make your tests in live casino and you will see the big difference.
If it is wasting your Time, why do you waste More Time to commenting on it. :lol:
Let us do our testing the way we want it and we Let you do yours. :thumbsup:
All your tests is gamblers fallacy.
Ok General
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Apr 01, 07:15 AM 2018
If you testing systems on roulette symulator you wasting my time, try to make your tests in live casino and you will see the big difference.
What makes you say so, objectively? Are there different RNG qualities?
Yes. On rng symulator something big is mising and that is real randmones, you can not get valid data from something that not exist. When I testing something I always use online live table and you don't even need to play to have valid random numbers.
MMhh,
I thought online would show partiality and trick the game in their favor, if they ever did, whereas simulators don't give a damn and just go rng.
Would you says there is a difference between online rng casino and simulators?
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Apr 01, 07:15 AM 2018
If you testing systems on roulette symulator you wasting my time, try to make your tests in live casino and you will see the big difference.
Well, you picked the wrong set of numbers to show that up then!
25/37.....check
3rd hit comes on average 25th spin....check
second 3rd hit comes on average 32nd spin....came on 30th spin
after 37 spins, average of 10 2's....check
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 01, 11:07 AM 2018
MMhh,
I thought online would show partiality and trick the game in their favor, if they ever did, whereas simulators don't give a damn and just go rng.
Would you says there is a difference between online rng casino and simulators?
On this picture you have live roulette which means it is real wheel and ball so it is fair, and you have four rng roulette simulators which means it is rigged and you can not beat them it is fixed like slot games.