If you have been following the on-going discussion revealed a lot. That last bit will never be revealed but the extent of the pros and cons has been made known.
These are the following key quotes by various members -
You sit at the table - past spins are useless and mean nothing. Here we are.
I ask you to tell me what number is going to appear - you have no idea, of course - how could you.
Now the ball lands on #10.
I ask you what number is going to be a long term sleeper during this session - you laugh and say
"obviously not 10 - it just showed up".
I ask you what number is going to be a repeater and you'd probably laugh again and say "I have no
idea, but 10 is the only possible option at this point".
See - you already know that when a number repeats, 10 is a possible winner while none of the others are
at this point. Surely a number that hasn't appeared once can be a number that repeats - common sense right ?
You also know that when your long session is over - 10 won't be one of the numbers that didn't appear because
you just saw it appear..... common sense.
Maybe...I don't know... think of it this way - instead of trying to bend the spoon (wait, that's a movie)....
instead of trying to figure out what number is going to show 1 time.... because you can't really...
try to figure out which number is going to repeat !!!!!!!!
A number can't show twice unless it's appeared once.
It can't show three times unless it's shown up twice.
repeat as needed. --------- TurboGenius
Well to be fair to TG I don't think he's trying to make a case for this at all. I think he's just trying to say that RANDOM game or not, statistically there are enough repeats to make his system work. ------- Mike(Jerome)
Exactly. I made it clear in other posts that at the end of the session I win - and most of the time I'm not even playing the best possible numbers - or the numbers that were the hottest or appeared the most. Of the top 10 I'm typically on a few of them and getting wins. There's no way to predict it perfectly but it doesn't have to be perfect or anywhere near perfect in order to win every time. In my "38 people go into a casino" thread - 13 people won flat betting their own number over a large number of spins. All anyone needs to think on is how to be one of those 13 people - it's not hard when the game is playing out and you can choose what to play. ------ TurboGenius
.....he does have to identify (from past spins) those numbers which are POTENTIAL repeaters. There's no avoiding this, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's committing gambler's fallacy (or reverse gambler's fallacy). -----Mike(Jerome)
Spins contained in the session I am playing aren't past spins. I don't use past spins (what's happened before I started playing) for anything. I do use spins that have appeared during my session. ------- TurboGenius
But it's ok to use past spins, even those that occurred before your session. Sir A is attacking an argument you're not actually making; you're NOT saying that past spins INFLUENCE future spins (which is what dependence is about, and what he is accusing you of saying). Gambler's fallacy is about "triggers" and virtual bets, all of that nonsense. But previous spins can certainly help to PREDICT future outcomes by identifying the probability distribution. If the distribution is skewed (biased) then doesn't that help to predict what will happen in the future? And even if the outcomes aren't biased, there is no fallacy in using stats to structure your bet selection.
Sir A even acknowledges that betting hot numbers is better than betting cold numbers. True, that's only because IF the wheel happens to be biased then you'll be betting on the "correct" numbers, and he says that for entirely random outcomes it makes no difference. But that's a different argument, and it's not as though you're following individual numbers in the belief that because they've showed up once they are "due" to show up again soon. Analysis of the behaviour of repeats (all numbers taken together as a group) is not the same as that of particular numbers hitting more frequently because their single appearance somehow triggers it. That would be GF again (and analysis would show that it doesn't happen, as you'd expect if outcomes are independent). -------- Mike(Jerome)
I don't care if he's using past spins or not. I don't care if he's practicing the gambler's fallacy. ------- Sr Sir Anyone Anyone
Based on the above conversation, it's confirmed the objection is not based on gambler's fallacy.
It's based on the ability to predict future spins based on hotties.
But previous spins can certainly help predict future outcomes. ------ Mike(Jerome)
The question is HOW ?
I found 2 ways where previous spins can help predict future outcomes. Here's one way played mechanically on roulettesimulator over 180 without crazy progression. It's all about WHEN and WHAT to bet revealed by frequency distribution vs fix unfair payout.
Purpose of this thread is to identify the exact nature of the objection - which turns out to be the predictability of future spins with the use of repeaters.
The above game played at roulettesimulator is not a claim. It's an example of what's possible in the prediction department with the proper use of statistics.
Average are useless and the winning hot number always show middle finger to the statistic.
Quote from: cht on Mar 20, 12:34 AM 2018
The above game played at roulettesimulator is not a claim. It's an example of what's possible in the prediction department with the proper use of statistics.
can you tell me about roulette simulator? is it real numbers data from live table or rng computer generated numbers?
Same old circles. Nothing learned.
Then tests is not valid for me ::)
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Mar 20, 04:08 AM 2018
can you tell me about roulette simulator? is it real numbers data from live table or rng computer generated numbers?
I believe it's rng.
This is not a strategy thread to play repeaters.
It's to determine the exact nature of DSAA objection towards repeaters.
Thanks to Mike(Jerome) detailed comments,
DSAA statement in response clarifies his objection -
I don't care if he's using past spins or not. I don't care if he's practicing the gambler's fallacy.
To know the truth about repeaters, all anyone needs to do is proper testing. Then they would know repeaters spin as often as cold numbers.
But the testing isnt being done, so the delusion continues. Its strange. Like being in a space shuttle and refusing to look out the window and seeing a round Earth, then calling Earth flat.
Dont laugh at the flat Earthers. Such ignorance is not so uncommon. ::)
Steve tell us exactly what he is doing . We ll test it. Not just throw repeater doesnt work. Repeater is also a number like the unique. Its has the same chance of apprearing others. If it appears any time before 35th spin i m winner.
I already explained how to test, in detail. Its really not hard. Its one of the most extensively tested theories. To statisticians and professionals, its really, really old news. On forums, its the potential hg.
Please people, start to learn. Test methodically and intelligently. Stop these ridiculous circles.
So many times ive been asked to give specific details. Then i spend lots of time explaining it all.
Then it falls in deaf ears, and i wasted more of my life. Frustrating is not the word for it.
Few people are learning. Im not entirely sure why.
I need to learn and i m willing to. First i need to know what to test? No not all repeater system is same. Tell us exactly what he does.
Again just tell us exactly what he does. Untill we know that we cant test it i believe.
And when i lay out primary school math, in detail, there's often the dumbass that says I'm just censoring the hg so i can sell computers.
Really, im not being condecending or arrogant. Almost no progress is ever made. And even when the truth is smashed in faces, it is ignored and not understood.
Read my past messages and focus on relevant parts. Turbos system is clear. His explanations are understood. He's just wrong.
As for testing, past messages explain that too.
Not any of ur past discussion say us what exactly he is doing. I really dont need relevant things. That relevant might not work. There is nothing special in his different thread. These r shadow even the graphs r carefully selected.
Be kind to us. Write down what he does exactly and everyone will test it.
DSAA mentioned something relevant, I think. And it wasn´t refuted. Turbo seems to use a negative progression. Seeing that he bets no more than 6 numbers, well start from there...
Also Turbo´s personal permanence description hints at tracking 37 spins everytime on a rolling basis. Like a 37 spin window.
If for example #27 was the first number of a series of 37, and say #31 the second spin, then what would count as the 38th spin is now the 37th; that #27 gets discarded and #31 is now the first spin in the new 37 spin window...
This means if #27 was a "threepeater" in the old 37 spins window, once it gets discarded the remaining #27 are now regular "twopeaters". IF the 38th spin which is now the 37th in the new window, isn´t a #27, of course.
It´s a shame that Roulette Xtreme doesn´t do such monitoring. And I think such method must not be easy to use on a live wheel.
This raises a question: at which point in time does he start betting?
It makes sense if starts to bet immediately after one number repeats.
Say that #27 is the first in the 37 spin window. As soon as it repeats, say by the 9th spin, he bets one unit. Now at say the 21st spin #27 hits again. He wins and collects the 14 units, and also leaves the bet in place, or makes a positive progression or whatever, since it´s still a "hot" number.
Now the window reached the 37th spin and #27 hasn´t showed up again. So as the first "27 to hit is discarded, for all that matters, in the new window #27 has shown only twice and the bets are updated accordingly.
How does the probability of a hot number hitting differ from the probability of a cold number hitting over the next series of spins if it's a RANDOM GAME?
Why do you believe that a number that has hit is more likely to hit over the next series of spins than a number that has not hit at all??? ---------DSAA
This is a valid objection. :thumbsup:
However,
Well to be fair to TG I don't think he's trying to make a case for this at all. I think he's just trying to say that RANDOM game or not, statistically there are enough repeats to make his system work. ------- Mike(Jerome)
Sir A is attacking an argument you're not actually making; you're NOT saying that past spins INFLUENCE future spins (which is what dependence is about, and what he is accusing you of saying). Gambler's fallacy is about "triggers" and virtual bets, all of that nonsense. ------- Mike(Jerome)
Anyone who design their repeaters system based on the assumption that individual numbers that hit or 'hot' repeaters to have higher probability than those numbers that have not hit over the next series of numbers is committing gamblers fallacy.
Turbo uses the following argument: take 37 people, one will always bet one unit on #1, another will always bet one unit on #2 and so on. A wheel will spin for 37 times and they all will bet every spin. So some people might win more than one time, some might win just one time and some will lose it all. Then, Turbo asks: "wouldn´t you like to be one of the people who wins, preferably more than once, in the course of 37 spins?"
Well here the Math is simple and it proves that repeaters won´t work flatbet.
Just multiply 37 by 37. This is the total of what the 37 bettors bring to the casino. Then multiply 36 by 37. This is the total of units the winners take home. And that´s it. :thumbsup:
bump :)
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 20, 02:59 PM 2018
"wouldn´t you like to be one of the people who wins, preferably more than once, in the course of 37 spins?"
Well here the Math is simple and it proves that repeaters won´t work flatbet.
Can you give us more clues please.
That´s all there is to it, really. But let´s elaborate.
1. 37*37=1369. The total number of wages by 37 flatbettors after 37 spins.
2. 36*37=1334. If progressions weren´t allowed, this is the absolute and obligatory total of units the casino would have to pay to winners (the original bet chip each player placed being given back to the player). It doesn´t matter how many punters are winners, and how many didn´t get anything. The casino has to pay that amount if all players place flat bets.
3. 1369-1334=37. These 37 units are the casino´s profit. 37 is 2.7% of 1369.
4. All the players that won more than once were just lucky. (All who won just once, less so. They all finished one unit short).
5. Imagine that one time a player assigned to bet on say #1 was extremely lucky and #1 hit 37 spins in a row! He or she was playing the hotest repeater in History and didn´t stop. Well Done! How much were the winnings, then? Answer: 1334 units. Or 1369-37. This should be proof enough that repeaters or hot numbers have no edge over the House.
6. Just like both winners and losers had no choice over which numbers they would place their bets, anyone playing Turbo´s method won´t have any advantage.
7. Just because a number hit two times there won´t be any guarantee it will hit a third time. While you´re there betting on all the numbers that hit two times, a cold number might awake and hit three times in a row. You might have placed a bet on that sleeper once it hit twice, but by that time you´ve lost money on the hot numbers that
decided to take a long nap.
8. Considering that a number that hit twice is the most likely to hit thrice is a fallacy. It´s like saying it´s "due".
9. In the long term all the numbers shall hit pretty much the same number of times. You could resume that to
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13...36,37 hitting after 37 spins.
Ok thanks.
So repeaters not working and I will try another way to work on this game of luck :thumbsup:
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Mar 21, 07:55 AM 2018
Ok thanks.
So repeaters not working and I will try another way to work on this game of luck :thumbsup:
I know it's too complicated !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 08:13 AM 2018
I know it's too complicated !
For me yes ::) I will stick to my system so help me god. :'(
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Mar 21, 08:30 AM 2018
For me yes ::) I will stick to my system so help me god. :'(
I dunno but I guess you are over 64.
As a retired why you play roulette ? Do you still want to be rich after long working years ?
???
Ok you want to know my age. 41 :thumbsup: do I know the hg, yep again :thumbsup: no hard work anymore, what I doing here? to make jokes, it is easy for me :lol:
P
Like your posts above.
Let’s look to 1 player only.
If player bets 1 unit every spin, they’ll use 703 units. Is this flat bet? Or the old slow progression 1,2,3,4 etc. To profit you’d need 20 wins of 35+1=36 so 36*20=720
Now I know from the Priyanka tracker, that 20 wins are rare but do happen, but with a more aggressive progression like 1,5,25 the unit wins of multiple 36 values would get bigger wins, but would this still make more wins against games lost.
On this sheet we see 12 repeats, but as it’s the slow progression 1,2,3,4 we get 16 win values of 36, so over these 37 bets it’s a loss
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here from 14 repeats we achieve 20 unit win values of 36
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Quote from: Lucky7Red on Mar 21, 09:38 AM 2018
Ok you want to know my age. 41 :thumbsup: do I know the hg, yep again :thumbsup: no hard work anymore, what I doing here? to make jokes, it is easy for me :lol:
Hmm 41 is the right age to enjoy the sun and the "Hotties" at the beach in Ibiza !
Instead of that You keep playing with your adrenaline's level on roulette !
:twisted:
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 21, 07:16 AM 20188. Considering that a number that hit twice is the most likely to hit thrice is a fallacy. It´s like saying it´s "due".
I realize the above point might generate some controversy.
To those who disagree: there´s Absolute Probability and there´s Conditional Probability. Two different things. One cannot be mistaken for another.
Think of it as cycles within cycles overlapping each other.
The start of a new cycle may be the middle or end of another cycle.
The known probabilistic behaviour of one segment of a cycle that correlates to another known probabilistic behaviour of another segment of another cycle - the combined probability is higher than the fixed payout.
We can have a situation of x spins with the probabilistic expectation of a uniques and b repeats to occur where a+b = x - when the unique/repeat count is not equally distributed.
Is this possibile ?
Not sure I understand what you´re talking about. The odds never change, no matter how you rearrange your bets, and the payout is unfair. Doesn´t matter how you stirr it, you can´t milk 11 out of 10, you can´t make something out of nothing.
No "combined probability higher than the fixed payout". No, in a fair wheel, not possible.
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One absolute probability would be: "in 37 spins several numbers will be repeaters, and the first number to hit twice will hit a third time". That would be great, right? You´d just have to bet on the first repeater to profit at least one unit guaranteed.
The truth in Roulette, though is: "in 37 spins, several numbers will be repeaters, and at least one may hit a third time, or may not". That´s conditional probability, and everytime you see a "condition" you are, let´s say, forced to hedge your bets on all the "several repeaters", because "one may hit thrice, or not" and you simply don´t know which. Either that, or you think it´s too many bets and decide to bet on less numbers, so you could make a decent profit, but you have no real idea on which numbers to bet and on which numbers to avoid. In other words you´ll be making a random selection. Random decisions, huh? In that case, then isn´t it pertinent to ask why take all the trouble with the hot numbers theory and all the tracking, in the first place?.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 21, 01:56 PM 2018
One absolute probability would be: "in 37 spins several numbers will be repeaters, and the first number to hit twice will hit a third time". That would be great, right? You´d just have to bet on the first repeater to profit at least one unit guaranteed.
The truth in Roulette, though is: "in 37 spins, several numbers will be repeaters, and at least one may hit a third time, or may not". That´s conditional probability, and everytime you see a "condition" you are, let´s say, forced to hedge your bets on all the "several repeaters", because "one may hit thrice, or not" and you simply don´t know which. Either that, or you think it´s too many bets and decide to bet on less numbers, so you could make a decent profit, but you have no real idea on which numbers to bet and on which numbers to avoid. In other words you´ll be making a random selection. Random decisions, huh? In that case, then isn´t it pertinent to ask why take all the trouble with the hot numbers theory and all the tracking, in the first place?.
This usual line of thought fails - it's gamblers fallacy.
Yeah that closes the case. At the end of the day GF is pretty much all we got :xd:
I´ve yet a few more points to make regarding hot numbers in general, but ´ll leave it for now.
Heck just to leave no stone unturned.
Regarding my previous statement:
5. Imagine that one time a player assigned to bet on say #1 was extremely lucky and #1 hit 37 spins in a row! He or she was playing the hotest repeater in History and didn´t stop. Well Done! How much were the winnings, then? Answer: 1334 units. Or 1369-37. This should be proof enough that repeaters or hot numbers have no edge over the House.
Someone might ask: That punter kept betting on a repeater and brought home a truckload of units! How can it not be proof that betting on hot numbers works?
Well, what are the chances of YOU or anybody else being that lucky? The answer is: 1/37.
Exactly the same chances of ANY number, be it "hot" or "cold", hitting in 37 spins...
That´s all.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 21, 03:57 PM 2018
5. Imagine that one time a player assigned to bet on say #1 was extremely lucky and #1 hit 37 spins in a row! He or she was playing the hotest repeater in History and didn´t stop. Well Done! How much were the winnings, then? Answer: 1334 units. Or 1369-37. This should be proof enough that repeaters or hot numbers have no edge over the House.
What if 37 people assigned to bet 37 different number. In case of such extreme event as u described. When the number repeat for the first time everyone started to betting on that till the end. What would b the calculation.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 21, 04:26 PM 2018
What if 37 people assigned to bet 37 different number. In case of such extreme event as u described. When the number repeat for the first time everyone started to betting on that till the end. What would b the calculation.
Good thinking :thumbsup: If #1 hit 37 times in 37 spins, player would receive 36*37=1332 units. The remaining 36players would lose 2 units each, 2*36=72, in the first two spins, Then, everyone would break the rules and jump onto the winning number LOL. That would make 36 players times 36 units won times 35 spins. 36*36*35=44064.
The casino employees would cover the table with a black blanket long before that :D
How often do repeaters hit back to back? A $10 wager can turn into $12,960 with just 2 back to back wins if you parlayed your winnings. Wonder how well the parlay bet would work with this
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I have to say I tried the Absolute Probability example on RX. Just for fun. Begin tracking 37 spins, as soon as a number repeats bet 1 unit until a win, within the remaining spins. A negative progression of 1 2 3 4 5 etc until a new high. In 700 or so spins it reached level 3 for two or three times. Too short of a sample, but for fun playing it´s not a bad result,
Quote from: Scarface on Mar 21, 05:09 PM 2018
How often do repeaters hit back to back? A $10 wager can turn into $12,960 with just 2 back to back wins if you parlayed your winnings. Wonder how well the parlay bet would work with this
You mean a number hitting three times in a row? The odds are 1370 to 1, a bit higher than 1296 units.
It's really simple. The whole foundation of Turbos system is repeaters have a higher chance of spinning sometime soon. The argument is rubbish and easily refuted. No odds change = negative expectation with or without progression. Case closed.
If you want to waste more time, you can pull apart his other arguments too as I and others already have. Parx is clearly rigged, and even if RS's spins are acceptable, the limits clearly are not hence the many big winners. This whole turbo thing is a dead end.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 21, 05:58 PM 2018
You mean a number hitting three times in a row? The odds are 1370 to 1, a bit higher than 1296 units.
Sorry, that´s the odds for two times in a row. For three times in a row it´s 1370*37 to 1. Around 50.000 to 1 or something
Quote from: Steve on Mar 21, 06:03 PM 2018
It's really simple. The whole foundation of Turbos system is repeaters have a higher chance of spinning sometime soon. The argument is rubbish and easily refuted. No odds change = negative expectation with or without progression. Case closed.
If you want to waste more time, you can pull apart his other arguments too as I and others already have. Parx is clearly rigged, and even if RS's spins are acceptable, the limits clearly are not hence the many big winners. This whole turbo thing is a dead end.
Boy, you sure like to waste your time.
Quote from: Moxy on Mar 21, 06:50 PM 2018
Boy, you sure like to waste your time.
Yeah its a bad habit. But other people around are far worse. ::)
Quote from: Steve on Mar 21, 06:03 PM 2018even if RS's spins are acceptable, the limits clearly are not hence the many big winners.
Steve, i set BR, time to MPR settings, R-sim meets the LOTT that turbo said of and the DSAA arsehole as well.
So with settings as yours why should result be any different, especially as it dont crash like just now, me Maestro did laugh we could here all your bla,bla,
Anyway i'll put the stevie wonder glasses on so i dont see the bla,bla. What ya gunna say steve blind leading the blind
Notto, you are thick and need to learn primary school math.
QuoteThis whole turbo thing is a dead end.
you do not know that...how can you claim something when you do not have all the info...this is same like your math not very good... :xd: :xd:
just you got to understand that some people can do it and win some cannot....
Quote from: maestro on Mar 21, 08:51 PM 2018you do not know that
Yes I do
Quote from: maestro on Mar 21, 08:51 PM 2018how can you claim something when you do not have all the info
I have all I need, and more. I already explained it. Obviously you dont understand it.
Quote from: maestro on Mar 21, 08:51 PM 2018this is same like your math not very good
I'm not sure I'm the one misunderstanding basic arithmetic.
Quote from: maestro on Mar 21, 08:51 PM 2018just you got to understand that some people can do it and win some cannot
Yes, Mr 0.97 win rate, some people are all talk.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 21, 07:26 PM 2018
Yeah its a bad habit. But other people around are far worse. ::)
No doubt. Quite an inordinate amount for a guy such as you.
QuoteI have all I need
what you think is needed....
Quote from: Moxy on Mar 21, 09:59 PM 2018No doubt. Quite an inordinate amount for a guy such as you.
It comes from a combination of trying to help, and frustration with people who cant understand really, really basic things and think I have the problem.
Quote from: maestro on Mar 21, 10:08 PM 2018what you think is needed....
No Maestro. I'll give one example. You probably wont understand it.
I can test billions of spins to see if any repeating number has any higher chance of spinning more than another number. The result is repeaters have the same occurrence as cold numbers.
So WHY choose "repeaters"? There is no benefit. The odds have not changed. They are still 1 in 37.
Then Turbo says he beats a RANDOM GAME WITH MATH, and that he beats it because it's random as expected. That's a real dumb thing to say.
Random means 1 in 37. The math is 1 in 37. He is saying he can win because he cant win.
Do you get it now? I doubt it.
I could go on about many points, but you struggle even with the basic ones.
I don't mean to come across and condescending and brash. But FFS what else can you do when very basic things are not being understood?
If I sound too sure of myself, it's because I understand really basic math and logic.
At least Steve is right, you can not change the odds in roulette, what ever you do odds remains the same, so how to doit then ::)
Re: random is 1/37, the math is 1/37...
I'm sure you didn't mean it, but the way you put it is not accurate.
The probability of a straightup to hit is 1/37. Random distribution though
makes it appear from 1/1 to 1/300+ in the case of back to back hits and sleepers, respectively.
In the long run math shows all the straights end up appearing in equal amounts, proving the probability is right. We now use probability as a tool to determine the viability of a method.
QuoteDo you get it now? I doubt it.
told you before you are making too many assumptions....
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 22, 04:30 AM 2018
Re: random is 1/37, the math is 1/37...
I'm sure you didn't mean it, but the way you put it is not accurate.
The probability of a straightup to hit is 1/37. Random distribution though
makes it appear from 1/1 to 1/300+ in the case of back to back hits and sleepers, respectively.
In the long run math shows all the straights end up appearing in equal amounts, proving the probability is right. We now use probability as a tool to determine the viability of a method.
You are talking statistics. No matter how many numbers you string together in a sequence, the odds of the next number are still 1 in 37. What you said is irrelevant.
The odds of any sequence have the same odds, including 0,0,0 or 32,8,13
Quote from: maestro on Mar 22, 04:32 AM 2018
told you before you are making too many assumptions....
What assumptions? My primary school math being correct?
Don't be vague if you want a discussion.
You didn' t get my point. I'll try to make it clear later.
If you're talking about statistical balance, you cannot use that at all.
Exactly. The point I'm trying to make is not optimistic at all.
In short samples, the clusters in random distribution delude players into thinking they got an edge. They don't. We use probability to determine if a method is viable. It never does and it's not probability's fault. All systems fail.
Why argue? Repeaters happen, they do become threepeats at some point, and the odds are still 1/37. Playing repeaters that become threepeats gives you at least a starting point of a possible bet selection. That combined with a dynamic progression that changes as numbers are added, and then quit session once in profit makes for decent system. The key here is the progression must change on everybet, and you stop the session and restart once in profit. At 10 cent units, an easy $50 per hour without requiring a huge bankroll.
Quote from: Nimo on Mar 22, 07:51 AM 2018
Why argue? Repeaters happen, they do become threepeats at some point, and the odds are still 1/37. Playing repeaters that become threepeats gives you at least a starting point of a possible bet selection. That combined with a dynamic progression that changes as numbers are added, and then quit session once in profit makes for decent system. The key here is the progression must change on everybet, and you stop the session and restart once in profit. At 10 cent units, an easy $50 per hour without requiring a huge bankroll.
AWESOME post Nimo! :thumbsup:
We all know the facts and understand the math (I hope) but yet we are all still here for exactly the reason you mentioned: working together to at least find a starting point for possible bet selection...
bump :)
Speaking for myself, I'm still a systems aficcionado. The HG doesn't exist, but MAYBE there's something that "beats random in its own game" , as JL likes to put it. In practice that would reduce Probability Theory to what it really is: a theory. I know it's a neverending quest, but who cares.
And I'll have to remind, my previous ramblings on repeaters were all in regards to flat betting.
I've tried positive progressions in the past. They work well when they work.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 22, 10:34 AM 2018
The HG doesn't exist.
The HG exists !
And I have no mood to argue with you on that !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 22, 10:46 AM 2018
The HG exists !
And I have no mood to argue with you on that !
''The car that never gets an accident exists!''
''Does not!''
Depends on the driver....
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 22, 10:54 AM 2018
''The car that never gets an accident exists!''
''Does not!''
Depends on the driver....
I agree.
Some drivers blame the car !
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 22, 10:34 AM 2018
In practice that would reduce Probability Theory to what it really is: a theory.
"Probability Theory" I have better theory " Chaos Theory"
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 22, 10:46 AM 2018
The HG exists !
And I have no mood to argue with you on that !
The HG exists and you created it. I know, I've seen your results.
I've got some savings. How much do you need?
I hope 7.000 euros is OK.
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Mar 22, 11:33 AM 2018
"Probability Theory" I have better theory " Chaos Theory"
OK
All numbers are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 22, 11:38 AM 2018
The HG exists and you created it. I know, I've seen your results.
I've got some savings. How much do you need?
I hope 7.000 euros is OK.
You joking, right?
Anyway, many possess HG, I am not the only one.
If you looking for one, contact me... I can help you.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 22, 11:43 AM 2018
All numbers are equal, but some are more equal than others.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :thumbsup:
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Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 22, 11:48 AM 2018
You joking, right?
Anyway, many possess HG, I am not the only one.
If you looking for one, contact me... I can help you.
I´m serious, I´m a retired businessman with a passion for roulette. I have plenty more money, but I want to offer my grandson a Tesla when he graduates later this year. Sadly my family´s old villa is in dire need of improvement and the money is not enough, so I´d gladly turn these 7.000 into 140.000. If you need more, I think the Tesla could wait until Christmas. But the payout must be fast!
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 22, 12:47 PM 2018
I´m serious, I´m a retired businessman with a passion for roulette. I have plenty more money, but I want to offer my grandson a Tesla when he graduates later this year. Sadly my family´s old villa is in dire need of improvement and the money is not enough, so I´d gladly turn these 7.000 into 140.000. If you need more, I think the Tesla could wait until Christmas. But the payout must be fast!
7k into 140k ? that's at hand!
That's 370 $ profit per day over 360 days..
I can help you beat this game .
I was thinking weekly payments, but a profit a day is better than I expected, Your method must be really, really good.
But 360 days is too long. What if we give you 14000, could you make it in six months? Although I´m afraid that you may have trouble with the table limits :-\
ROULETTEBEATER,
I have sent you a pm, please respond.
Thanks
You know, my dear wife is not taking this decision lightly, She doesn´t want to send 14.000 euros without some guarantee. I already told her as a player I know a good bet when I see one, but she has always been the cautious one in the family, bless her. I´m very excited about this and I´d transfer the 14.000 right away, but our bank will ask for her permission as well and she demands a proof of your good intentions before she agrees on releasing the funds. If you transfer to us a symbolic quantity, say around 250 euros in the first place, you will show enough evidence of your kindness. And with Western Union it´s very easy. After we receive your 250 we´ll promptly send the 14.000 euros through Western Union as well.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 22, 07:33 PM 2018After we receive your 250 we´ll promptly send the 14.000 euros through Western Union as well.
going to end in tears
lol..
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 22, 07:33 PM 2018
You know, my dear wife is not taking this decision lightly, She doesn´t want to send 14.000 euros without some guarantee. I already told her as a player I know a good bet when I see one, but she has always been the cautious one in the family, bless her. I´m very excited about this and I´d transfer the 14.000 right away, but our bank will ask for her permission as well and she demands a proof of your good intentions before she agrees on releasing the funds. If you transfer to us a symbolic quantity, say around 250 euros in the first place, you will show enough evidence of your kindness. And with Western Union it´s very easy. After we receive your 250 we´ll promptly send the 14.000 euros through Western Union as well.
Your dear wife should ask for 5% - 700â,¬. :)
Your $14000 fold it in half and you have doubled your money .
Don't do it Like nott. Said it will end in tears.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 22, 10:32 PM 2018
Your $14000 fold it in half and you have doubled your money .
Don't do it Like nott. Said it will end in tears.
Don't do it?
I thought it was a well laid plan to get 250 euros out of Roulettebeater. :xd:
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 22, 11:25 PM 2018
Don't do it?
I thought it was a well laid plan to get 250 euros out of Roulettebeater. :xd:
Yes it was
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 22, 11:25 PM 2018I thought it was a well laid plan to get 250 euros out of Roulettebeater. :xd:
Excellent
It WAS, because you good people had to spoil it. Anyway it was fun while it lasted. Next time I'd sincerely appreciate if you guys mind your own business :D :D :D
Cool, a lot of comments !
You guys should try to be more serious when it deals with investment so please take the fun out of our constructive discussions
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 04:50 AM 2018
It WAS, because you good people had to spoil it. Anyway it was fun while it lasted. Next time I'd sincerely appreciate if you guys mind your own business :D :D :D
I think you should send the money immediately. Theres every proof he has the hg. Your wife will thank you later.
I know, right? But I have to remind, our account is joined and the nank needs her approval to release the 14000000. And there's no eay she signs this check until she sees some greeen.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 05:51 AM 2018
I know, right? But I have to remind, our account is joined and the nank needs her approval to release the 14000000. And there's no eay she signs this check until she sees some greeen.
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Dont worry. Use ur ATM card ( u should have one even thats joint acc) withdraw max limit u r permitted per day. Collect couple of days. Send . Hehe
Thx Steve
You are an experienced player with plenty of experience, you can easily distinguish between winning and losing systems.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 05:51 AM 2018
I know, right? But I have to remind, our account is joined and the nank needs her approval to release the 14000000. And there's no eay she signs this check until she sees some greeen.
That bitch. Always ruins the party.
Seriously, b i t c h is censored here? The admin is retarded
Hey watch out with the words. My wife is a very responsible 71 year old lady, ok. Unlike your mother ok. You immature son of a what you said.
On which side are you guys afterall? I wont tolerate shit from no one
psi,
1. learn to take a joke.
2. dont talk about my mom like that. Or ill tell on you.
3. you cant seriously hand over $14k so easily, can you? I mean are you serious, or joking? I dont know if rb has the hg but I havent seen anything to suggest its the case. You are in a dangerous area if you fork over money so easily
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Steve
You were so tough against psomes
How can you call someone's wife a bitch!?
If I were psomes, I would have reported that to "tuner" so that he puts you under moderation
-:)
Thank you Roulettebeater, your sense of justice proves you are indeed a serious pearson.
Now about those 250...
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 08:29 AM 2018
Thank you Roulettebeater, your sense of justice proves you are indeed a serious pearson.
Now about those 250...
Go on, report him to "Tuner". -:)
Tuner is kind and also nice looking guy, he will definitely moderate the "Steve"
And if Steve continues his behavior he will put him on watchlist
-:)
@Steve
Whenever you insult someone, expect to get insulted back.
If you then come out crying one cant take a joke then the joke is on you.
Learn your limits boy.
I cant believe how gullible you people are. Taotie's the only one who got it. Few things in life better than to scam a scammer
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 08:41 AM 2018
I cant believe how gullible you people are. Taotie's the only one who got it. Few things in life better than to scam a scammer
What do you mean with "scam a scammer"
Are you now playing the "big Balls's Boy" ?
a person with HG must be real idiot to get money from someone in order to double them...even brain like Steves one understands this :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: maestro on Mar 23, 08:56 AM 2018
a person with HG must be real idiot to get money from someone in order to double them...even brain like Steves one understands this :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Yes, indeed!
Let's Change the condition of the deal a bit :
Every member deposits 1$ in Steve's account and let Steve double that money with his own "HG", the profit is then distributed between all members, every day one member gets the profit and so on
What do you think ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 23, 09:00 AM 2018
Yes, indeed!
Let's Change the condition of the deal a bit :
Every member deposits 1$ in Steve's account and let Steve double that money with his own "HG", the profit is then distributed between all members, every day one member gets the profit and so on
What do you think ?
Ha! Go ahead. Seeing most of them believed my story, they will believe anything. This time I guess they deserve it. You have a lot to learn young man. But you have a future.
Me ?
You funny coffin-dodger ...
My balls are bigger than yours, I can assure you ! If you don't believe ask luck7red he will tell you more
By the way, you look so weak with your wifey, i hope you don't play roulette behind her ... she might get angry if she knows your keep feeding the casino with your money -;)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 23, 09:00 AM 2018Every member deposits 1$ in Steve's account and let Steve double that money with his own "HG", the profit is then distributed between all members, every day one member gets the profit and so on
I'll bite my tongue just look over at GF, how popular someone is
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 23, 09:43 AM 2018
I'll bite my tongue just look over at GF, how popular someone is
Why ?
Don't you trust Steve ?
He is living in Australia.
Australia has the least scammers in the world, Britain has the most !
Rf
You dont know shit about roulette
You never stepped one foot inside a casino (your words)
So your credibility here and anywhere is worth 0
You dont have the balls to use your own money hence you keep begging for peoples money to test your 29 holy grails with money that is not yours.
Stop busting my old saggy balls
Get real and learn a decent job.
Earn a living
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 10:04 AM 2018
Rf
You dont know shit about roulette
You never stepped one foot inside a casino (your words)
So your credibility here and anywhere is worth 0
You dont have the balls to use your own money hence you keep begging for peoples money to test your 29 holy grails with money that is not yours.
Stop busting my old saggy balls
Get real and learn a decent job.
Earn a living
You are a retarded man in retirement..
I never asked you for money, you came up with the idea ...
By the way, Steve was right in every word he told you.
You scammer, you wanted to steal me !
Go to hell !
-:)
You wouldnt beg here for all to see.
You instead start a poll looking for investors. *INVESTORS* LOL
Amateur hustler...
BTW when you say if the car crashes blame the driver not the car, go tell that to uber
Did you fall on ur head and lost consciousness ?
That was long time ago, I don't need anyone to play my system.
I am doing fine with it and cashing every week 500- 800$ out.
If that´s true, then don´t push your luck. Luck wears out pretty fast and one day every outcome will hit against you no matter what you do. To a point you´ll think every wheel is fixed and they got you on their watchlist. Quit for good while you´re ahead.
And quit barking out the HG exists without presenting any proof. That´s annoying and disrespectful in the middle of a thread where people are discussing MATH.
I´m out.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 12:15 PM 2018
If that´s true, then don´t push your luck. Luck wears out pretty fast and one day every outcome will hit against you no matter what you do. To a point you´ll think every wheel is fixed and they got you on their watchlist. Quit for good while you´re ahead.
And quit barking out the HG exists without presenting any proof. That´s annoying and disrespectful in the middle of a thread where people are discussing MATH.
I´m out.
Well, let's make is simple
HG is any structured play that leads to a permanent Profit, some patients guys play EC bets but not continuously and are always ahead, some others use more complex systems and are ahead
In my opinion, Both possess a HG!
....Einstein once said you cannot beat the roulette table unless you steal money from it, and he was referring to the table, not the wheel.
Quote from: Nimo on Mar 22, 07:51 AM 2018
Why argue? Repeaters happen, they do become threepeats at some point, and the odds are still 1/37. Playing repeaters that become threepeats gives you at least a starting point of a possible bet selection. That combined with a dynamic progression that changes as numbers are added, and then quit session once in profit makes for decent system. The key here is the progression must change on everybet, and you stop the session and restart once in profit. At 10 cent units, an easy $50 per hour without requiring a huge bankroll.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 23, 08:03 AM 2018
psi,
1. learn to take a joke.
2. dont talk about my mom like that. Or ill tell on you.
3. you cant seriously hand over $14k so easily, can you? I mean are you serious, or joking? I dont know if rb has the hg but I havent seen anything to suggest its the case. You are in a dangerous area if you fork over money so easily
Your telling him not to fork over that kind of dough yet your not above free distribution of IP? Your logic dictates that anything that costs a good amount of currency is automatically rendered phony, and only the true purveyor of the
you know what will truly disclose it for nothing to prove his integrity/honesty?
Again, with the delusional, almost mental conditioning, thought process still being laid out to the unassuming. Hint: The coveted
you know what's value SHOULD be directly proportional to what the purveyor asks in return in fair market value.
Not INVERSELY proportional. The fact that no one, especially, and specifically, you, is even curious of this fact still proves the delusion is strong with this one, Obi Wan.
Steve
Didn't you bother yourself looking at my thread, I have there for you some nice charts, I thought you only understand the language of numbers, apparently you are mixing things together these days.
I hope everything is okay with you ?
Cheers
I like this thread. :)
Firstly, psimoes, sorry for mistaking your sarcasm for being serious. Sarcasm isn't clear in posts.
Secondly, sorry, I didn't mean to call your wife a "female dog". It was supposed to be "bitch", but the admin's filter changed the text. The filter is fixed now.
And I'm sure she's a lovely woman. It should have been very clear I was joking.
Quote from: Moxy on Mar 23, 02:33 PM 2018Your telling him not to fork over that kind of dough yet your not above free distribution of IP? Your logic dictates that anything that costs a good amount of currency is automatically rendered phony, and only the true purveyor of the you know what will truly disclose it for nothing to prove his integrity/honesty?
It's "you're" as in "you are". Not "your".
I never said anything with a high price is phony. I merely said I don't know if RB has the HG, but I've seen nothing to suggest he has it, and that psi should be more careful where he sends money. And like I explained, I missed his sarcasm.
Quote from: Moxy on Mar 23, 02:33 PM 2018Again, with the delusional, almost mental conditioning, thought process still being laid out to the unassuming. Hint: The coveted you know what's value SHOULD be directly proportional to what the purveyor asks in return in fair market value. Not INVERSELY proportional. The fact that no one, especially, and specifically, you, is even curious of this fact still proves the delusion is strong with this one, Obi Wan.
You appear confused about what happened.
this forum needs a god damn sense of humor
BITCH!
Quote from: Steve on Mar 23, 07:13 PM 2018
It's "you're" as in "you are". Not "your".
I never said anything with a high price is phony. I merely said I don't know if RB has the HG, but I've seen nothing to suggest he has it, and that psi should be more careful where he sends money. And like I explained, I missed his sarcasm.
You appear confused about what happened.
Thanks for correcting what I couldn't edit after the fact. I did catch that. Still not yet curious enough of what one's personal opinion of, say, a fair market value of one of them bad boys, I reckon.
Psimoes
I am still waiting your bank account details to send you the 250 so that you can show your's "female dog" the money.
I will be looking forward to receiving the 14k the next day from you.
I will give you a nice deal, 300$ profit per day.. this is the best deal I ever made ..
-:)
You can say bitch now. I fixed it.
Bitch bitch bitchity bitch
Quote from: Steve on Mar 24, 06:32 AM 2018
You can say bitch now. I fixed it.
Bitch bitch bitchity bitch
We want to see u moderated steve. U said enough about someones wife and encouraging people to do so.
phht.. stop acting like a little bitch
Obviously Steve was joking
It was very apparent
This forum is void of humor and people can’t joke
Grow up!! Babies!
Suggestion: pull the sticks out of your asses
Quote from: Madi on Mar 24, 07:32 AM 2018We want to see u moderated steve. U said enough about someones wife and encouraging people to do so.
I tried banning Steve but It wont let me.
I tried putting him on moderated but it wont let me.
It cant stop me calling him a very naughty boy.
Steve, you are a very naughty boy.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 24, 06:32 AM 2018
You can say bitch now. I fixed it.
Bitch bitch bitchity bitch
Gee thanks, last time I had to call you "an mmature son of what you said".
Let me try, let me try,
Hey Steve! You´re a son of a bitch!
Hey what do you know? It works a treat! >:D
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 24, 09:11 AM 2018
Obviously Steve was joking
It was very apparent
This forum is void of humor and people can’t joke
Grow up!! Babies!
Suggestion: pull the sticks out of your asses
HAHAHA another one who takes banter for real
rg, go sleep with the fishes :xd: Or go hide in the woods before the woods hide in you though I heard you like it :xd:
You know, seeing you´re so gullible and believe in chemtrails, man didn´t go to the moon and you´re antivaccines, gotta ask;
what´s wrong with a flat earth then :twisted:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 23, 12:18 PM 2018
Well, let's make is simple
HG is any structured play that leads to a permanent Profit, some patients guys play EC bets but not continuously and are always ahead, some others use more complex systems and are ahead
In my opinion, Both possess a HG!
Bear in mind, you´re still not providing evidence, just stating your opinion.
HG being "any structured play that leads to a permanent profit" is a cool definition, but that´s all it is. To this day no proof of a mechanical system that beats the wheel has yet been found.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 24, 05:56 PM 2018
HAHAHA another one who takes banter for real
rg, go sleep with the fishes :xd: Or go hide in the woods before the woods hide in you though I heard you like it :xd:
You know, seeing you´re so gullible and believe in chemtrails, man didn´t go to the moon and you´re antivaccines, gotta ask;
what´s wrong with a flat earth then :twisted:
Holy moly
Of course I believe man went to the moon.
Maybe English isn’t your first language.
Please
Copy and paste where I said we haven’t been to the moon.
Countries that have put man on the moon: America (my country) :)
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When did I say otherwise? Lol
Of course we’ve been to the moon. And hopefully space X will get us to mars.
At least I’m smart enough to get a joke
Oh. And to clarify I am not anti vaccine. That’s something else you’ve made up about me
I’m pro clean vaccine
Big difference son.
ok
Earth IS flat. Ive repeated my tests many times.
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You round earther morons are too lazy test and believe the cnn narrative.
Flat earth idiots forget you could see the curvature of the earth from a concord jet when they were in service
Their excuse was that the plane windows were fishbowled.
:yawn:
Quote from: Turner on Mar 24, 05:31 PM 2018
I tried banning Steve but It wont let me.
I tried putting him on moderated but it wont let me.
Not a big surprise. Otherwise he wouldnt survive in online community after allegation of scamming from dozens of people.
This forum needs Falkor back as soon as possible.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 24, 08:17 PM 2018
This forum needs Falkor back as soon as possible.
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What happen steve. Cant tolerate true post? Deleted my post ? Showed ur true face? Bring it back and show people what was the reason u deleted?
Madi, i didnt remove anything. I checked the moderator logs and turner did. Probably because he knows it was a cheap stab from someone without a valid point. Its not uncommon.
I'll reinstate the post monday, then openly pull it apart in front of everyone.
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Rich,
I know you will never admit it publicly, but you do miss both Falkor and Mogul, don't you?
:twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: Turner on Mar 24, 05:31 PM 2018I tried banning Steve but It wont let me.
I tried putting him on moderated but it wont let me.
It cant stop me calling him a very naughty boy.
Steve, you are a very naughty boy.
I tried banning myself. The forum wont let me either. It's an outrage. I'm sending a strongly-worded email to myself.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 24, 07:11 PM 2018
Not a big surprise. Otherwise he wouldnt survive in online community after allegation of scamming from dozens of people.
Firstly Madi, I didnt remove the above post. Turner did. Probably because he knew it was a low stab. It's typical from someone losing a discussion.
Secondly, truth always eventually wins. It's easy to refute bullshit allegations on any forum (if the admin allows it).
The allegations start with morons who are blatantly lying usually because of some personal agenda. Or they are merely referring to the original lies, without understanding them.
For example, it's easy for someone like Ken (mrj) to cut and paste garbage. Because he lacks integrity, he doesnt care about the accuracy of the information. The truth doesn't suit his agenda.
As for me responding on other forums, again the truth is easy to establish, if the admin allows fair and open publishing of information. The last forum I didnt own where I was attacked, I ignored for some time. But eventually responded, and applied a simple forum hack and discovered the person attacking me at GF was the GF admin himself, trying to discourage people from posting here, to boost his quiet forum. The result was he moderated my posts - in particularly removing parts that proved he created an alias on his own forum to attack me. Then he lied and denied moderating, and added "compulsive liar" to my username. That's a an example of what happens when you reveal a lying admin for what he is, on his own forum. I knew he was in a corner, and wasn't going to admit what he did. I expected much this result.
In contrast, if you attack me on my own forum, I don't moderate it. I have nothing to hide, and prefer to openly refute rubbish so everyone can see. If you've been around for the past 10 or so years, you will know this. The old-timers around here would be sick to death of it.
So I wont get into detail about it again, unless you have a
very specific allegation you'd like me to address. As you were very broad, I'll respond in kind by saying:
It's a load of shit. I have never scammed anyone. I'm very honest and have nothing to hide. Anyone with a brain can very easily determine if my technology is scam, at no risk to them. I offer ample simple options: for example, you can aim your webcam at a wheel and hear my computer's predictions via Skype. Or maybe see a public demo. There are many options. Knowing the truth is really simple. So the only people left claiming my technology is a scam are:
1. People who blatantly lie, because of an agenda (Like promoting their own products, or forum. Or perhaps they were banned from here),
2. Morons who don't think for themselves, and cut and paste the bullshit
3. Worse morons who cut and paste again. Often someone losing a discussion will cut and paste trash because it's easy, and they ran out of things to say.
Ultimately, in response to your bullshit claim, the truth is the truth, no matter where I publish it. On this forum or another. I do not censor allegations about me. I address them front-on because there's nothing to hide. My only concerns are more wasted time (everything has already been thoroughly addressed, and besides anyone can test my methods free), and members here are sick of hearing about it.
I thought i would write something but befroe me u got a reaponse. I only said allegation , people saying convicted.seriously?
Anyway in which casino in australia ur employees r playing?
Convicted of what?
20 years ago, almost a teenager, I said a stock would increase 900%+ in value because of pending positive news - based mostly on what the company directors told me personally. The government thought I was full of shit and just trying to boost price. And then later, after the company made the pending announcements, the price increased 1500%.
I was mostly correct. However, I misunderstood some of the company news, and made some inaccurate assumptions. The problem was I published those misunderstandings and got charged with recklessly making inaccurate statements. It's all at :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/rentech/ - it's very old news. I began from being a stock promoter where I was paid stock option to promote companies. That's what I did 20 years ago.
Nobody who bought the stock on my advice, and sold at the right time, lost money. They would have profited substantially. I was charged although I profited investors. I scammed nobody. It was a victimless crime.
But of course prosecutors and media made a misleading circus of it.
Anyone who wants to discredit me need only say "this guy went to jail for fraud". It's easy to say, and post a few links. But you wont find the truth that way. And it has nothing to do with my roulette technology.
Do you know how many times I've explained the same thing to new people who believe junk claims from people with an agenda? And in the end I say if anyone wants to know about my technology, they need only test my technology for free and see for themselves.
My partners dont play in Australia. Computers aren't legal here.
I have plenty of system players here, but they are not profit-split partners.
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Ultimately, in response to your bullshit claim,
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I got no claim against u as i didnt buy anything from you. Its only ur buyer. I m not interested in ur business. I m only interested about ur moderation and want to see u in beings watch list like other people. No matter who started or what joke or real it was? U called someones wife a bitch and encouraging others to do rather than putting a moderation on u.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 25, 08:05 PM 2018
My partners dont play in Australia. Computers aren't legal here.
I have plenty of system players here, but they are not profit-split partners.
U r an international businessman then. Great to know that.
We all know Aussies don't cheat...or lie.
It's just not cricket.
If you want to know more, see :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com and read the WHOLE SITE, because the story is long and twisted. Although again, ultimately anyone can test my technology for free and see for themselves. It's simpler and more direct.
Regarding people who have actually purchased from me and claim my technology is a scam:
The majority of people are fabricated and don't actually exist. But there are a few people that do actually exist.
I have around 1,500 players, from the past 10 or so years. There are about 10 that claimed my technology "doesn't work" or is a scam.
Let's summarize the most relevant ones:
Vince Brandt
Full details:
link:s://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/vince-brandt/
Summary:
Vince’s legal claim had NOTHING to do with the effectiveness of my system. Vince simply didn’t understand instructions to access my system’s software, so absurdly claimed it didn’t exist. Vince was extremely rude and vile in his emails to me, so I asked him to hire a mediator. That way I didn’t need to put up with his abuse. So he did, and that’s what the case was. In the mediation, he couldn’t swear at me and I agreed to giving a refund. He never even used my system. Vince lost on all but one of his claims, so started another case, which was completely rejected by the judge. Bluntly, Vince was a dickhead and didn't read basic instructions and blamed me for it. The judge saw that, but I agreed to refunding because he never even used the software.
Tony Duhamel (Bago)
Full details:
link:s://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/bago-tony-duhamel/
link:s://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/results-of-my-challenge-to-bago/
Summary:
Tony is a young man from France who purchased my roulette computer, but never used it in a real casino because he was concerned about legalities. However, he profited $4000 from techniques I taught him. In his tests at home, he incorrectly used the computer and claimed he got “random predictionsâ€. I conducted a live and recorded challenge with Tony to prove he was wrong. Tony then edited the recording and lied about the results, so I published the full unedited recording, and the true results which proved he was the problem, not the roulette computer. He has an ongoing vendetta against me.
Clothdog (forum member)
Summary:
Once claimed my system was a scam, but later changed his mind and published an apology. The inaccurate claims still remain on misleading websites as so-called evidence my system is a scam.
Full details:
link:s://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/clothdogs-apology/
There are a few more, similar stories. But the vast majority of players know my technology is as I claim.
But with around 1,500 players over the years, a few are bound to not understand what they've purchased. It is easier for some people to blame the system for their mistakes and misunderstandings. A bad tradesman blames his tools.
Unfortunately, truly dumb people like Ken don't care about facts. They really want their perception to be reality, so they believe lies from other people with similarly little credibility, and publish it as if it were fact. Then even dumber people re-publish the bullshit as if it were fact. And that's why I say...
.. if anyone just wants to know if my technology works, make it simple -- just test it for yourself free. It's easier than making sense of 10 years of blatant lies and twisted information from people without a life.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 25, 08:18 PM 2018I got no claim against u as i didnt buy anything from you. Its only ur buyer. I m not interested in ur business. I m only interested about ur moderation and want to see u in beings watch list like other people. No matter who started or what joke or real it was? U called someones wife a bitch and encouraging others to do rather than putting a moderation on u.
1. Then don't go around calling people a scammer. If anyone makes a similarly serious claim about someone, and I receive a complaint, I will ensure both sides have equal opportunity to present their case. It's part of running a balanced and productive forum.
2. Look at the context I called someone's wife a bitch. I don't think anyone besides you takes it seriously.
Quote from: holymoly on Mar 25, 08:38 PM 2018We all know Aussies don't cheat...or lie.
It's just not cricket.
Actually that's quite funny. Good one, despite being a bit in bad taste (if you understand all circumstances relating to me).
On another note, in the past 10 years I have dealt with some of the most incomprehensible dickheads imaginable. It has truly made me think, if this is a sample of the world's population, as a planet, we are all fucked. There are so many people with serious problems. I'm talking about everyone I've come to know in all aspects of my life, including on the forums. I mean wow. It's unjust that I have a tarnished reputation despite being one of the most honest and fair people around. But, I still smile when I consider how my life is, and how miserable people that attack me must be.
We all know Aussies don't cheat...or lie.
It's just not cricket
Not having a dig at you Steve.
Don't feel the world is against you,all the time.
I'm not!
HM, dont get me wrong.
1. I'm aware most people dont give a shit.
2. I dont at all think the world is against me. I have a lot more friends that dipshits in my life.
3. From a business perspective, the people that matter do proper research. Nobody willing to invest hundreds of thousands relies on hearsay. Instead they do proper research, and well the reality suits me.
4. My primary concern in responding to rubbish is to set the record straight - so that for people that are interested can easily find the truth.
Regarding the aussie comment, of course I know its not a dig at me. I have a sense of humor too.
Its pretty bad what they did. It will be referred to for a long time.
Amusing. Within minutes of my morning post, Ken responded on GF. Does he just keep clicking refresh?
Ken, you are really pathetic. Nothing you say is correct. The court case I've been involved with are:
1. Vince Brandt: Vince simply didn’t understand instructions to access my system’s software, so absurdly claimed it didn’t exist. Vince was extremely rude and vile in his emails to me, so I asked him to hire a mediator. That way I didn’t need to put up with his abuse. So he did, and that’s what the case was. In the mediation, he couldn’t swear at me and I agreed to giving a refund because he never even used my software. Case closed.
2. Vince Brandt, round 2: Almost all of Vince's claims were rejected, so he started another case. It was a joke and I didn't even attend the hearing. His case was dismissed as below:
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3. Miro Zirdum's harassment and stalking: This was one case in two parts. I took him to court because of his pathetic behavior. The first judge said although his behavior was unacceptable and I was right to complain, it was not serious enough to lay criminal charges. I then spoke to Miro and his sister personally, and he promised to behave. Then after I published public test results that proved Miro was lying, he got upset and continued his pathetic behavior. He got upset merely because I refuted his bullshit with a public validation. I was not trying to embarrass the guy - just setting things straight, and he cracked it. So I took him back to court. The second judge also said his behavior was unacceptable, but not serious enough to charge him. She ended up yelling at him because he spoke over her and lied to her face, still denying his actions. He since hasn't repeated the behavior. I doubt he will. I don't give a crap about him and only asked him to mind his own business.
There is no other case. Ken, anyone paying attention found out how dishonest you could be, when I published messages that revealed you were lying about roulette computer inquiries. Your response to people laughing at you was to make a blatantly false and venomous claim that another member secretly said they were a convicted child molester. And that's the second time you made that claim against someone you wanted to harm. What's wrong with you ken? Your core is rotten. I am ashamed you were once a moderator here.
Seriously, some people I've come across are beyond pathetic. You are right up there, Ken.
There are many more, even worse knobs I've dealt with in my life. But at some point I understood the worst part was wasted time. Ken, don't overstate your importance to me. You are just a sad lonely guy behind a computer on a forum for banned people, clicking refresh here.
PS - I never "casted stones". You dug your own grave by being a dick to everyone here. Almost everyone hated you. That's not my fault but you are not man enough to take responsibility for your own mistakes. It's easier to blame the forum admin. I still half feel sorry for you. You have serious problems, really. But you do it all to yourself.
I'm curious Ken. When you fabricate blatant lies about people being child molesters, or cut and paste lies without caring if its true or not.... just to try and discredit someone.... Do you think to yourself "Gee, I'm a piece of shit liar. I'm a dishonest and hateful person. This is what my life has become"?
You know this intense hatred harms you far more than me? That's why your life is the way it is. Doesn't this ever cross your mind? Maybe you'll realize it eventually. Happy and successful people don't spend so much time attacking others. If you never mentioned me, I would forget you existed. Same for Michael Emilio Rodriguez trying to boost his forum, same for Mark Howe and Miro Zirdum selling computers, same for Tony Duhamel (Bago) arguing with almost every person. Amazing, miserable people. I only wish you could all focus on your own life.
Good luck Ken, but people like you rarely learn why they're unsuccessful and unhappy. I sincerely hope for your own sake you wake up one day. Until then, thankyou for plastering my name on GF again. Michael hates my name dominating his forum. Especially after the backlash for his stunt. A good chunk of it is dedicated to me.
Quote from: Turner on Mar 24, 05:31 PM 2018
I tried banning Steve but It wont let me.
I tried putting him on moderated but it wont let me.
Sorry Turner, that's probably my fault....lol
I like this thread, though. ;D
Quote from: Turner on Mar 24, 05:31 PM 2018
I tried banning Steve but It wont let me.
I tried putting him on moderated but it wont let me.
It cant stop me calling him a very naughty boy.
Steve, you are a very naughty boy.
well, i have a proposal.
ban yourself instead of him, by doing so you prove that forums rules are being respected
-:)
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 26, 02:30 AM 2018
Sorry Turner, that's probably my fault....lol
I like this thread, though. ;D
I had fun and entertainment in mind when I started this thread, got loads of it. :thumbsup:
WTF(lol) has this got to do with repeaters?
Quote from: Steve on Mar 24, 11:22 PM 2018I checked the moderator logs and turner did. Probably because he knows it was a cheap stab from someone without a valid point
spot on
Quote from: Turner on Mar 26, 05:13 AM 2018
spot on
Stop serving steves personal interest. Work for all. U got lots of post to have a look in this thread.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 25, 09:08 PM 2018
2. Look at the context I called someone's wife a bitch. I don't think anyone besides you takes it seriously
Context doesnt matter. Matter is what u said. And what u said was totally unnecessary.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 24, 05:48 PM 2018
Hey Steve! You´re a son of a bitch!
R u sure i m the only serious person? What more serious things u wanna see? It was a joke i believe
Quote from: Madi on Mar 26, 06:17 AM 2018Stop serving steves personal interest. Work for all. U got lots of post to have a look in this thread.
I moderate how I feel fit and have done it without advice for 4 years. All you have to worry about is what "you" type and how "you" behave
its a bunch of text on an internet forum. its not real FFS
Back on topic.
Variance, even with a healthy edge, is often in the 400 unit range and much higher if you have only a small edge. ------ DSAA
That's the variance of the AP guru. :thumbsup:
No successful player plays with only a 24 unit bankroll. That's absurd. ------- DSAA
Confirms that AP needs extra large bankroll. At manual table b&m casino 500units x $25(min) = $12,500++ minimum bankroll.
Madi get over it. You made accusations and i responded. I explained about your post and corrected rubbish you heard. My interest in that is only making the truth known.
Whatever your problem with me, move on, lets not waste time. You are being a deliberate antagonist lately. Its trolling.
If you dont agree with my math / logic, give constructive arguments to help progress
Lets get back on topic.
Quote from: cht on Mar 26, 07:40 AM 2018
Back on topic.
Variance, even with a healthy edge, is often in the 400 unit range and much higher if you have only a small edge. ------ DSAA
That's the variance of the AP guru. :thumbsup:
No successful player plays with only a 24 unit bankroll. That's absurd. ------- DSAA
Confirms that AP needs extra large bankroll. At manual table b&m casino 500units x $25(min) = $12,500++ minimum bankroll.
The AP bankroll double 400 units normal variance is 400 x $25 x 2 = $16,000
The AP bankroll triple 400 units normal variance is 400 x $25 x 3 = $24,000 and so on....
This AP br can still be busted with the roll from hell whose sd is unbounded.
No triggers or virtual loss or stop loss applied. :)
When the dealer spins the ball:
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And the ball starts bouncing toooooooooo much
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suddenly you realised that your bet is gonna lose
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the moment in which you see that your bet really lost
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Classic RB! It was like looking into a mirror... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: ZERO on Mar 26, 08:02 AM 2018
Classic RB! It was like looking into a mirror... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Adrenalin in picture 2 is at its max
:twisted:
It would be quite beneficial if players read up on basic statistics, standard deviation, the house edge, player edge, expectation, basic odds etc. Basics need to be understood or you go in circles. Nothing discussed here is new. Its all really old news any statistics student knows.
Quote from: cht on Mar 26, 07:40 AM 2018
Back on topic.
Variance, even with a healthy edge, is often in the 400 unit range and much higher if you have only a small edge. ------ DSAA
That's the variance of the AP guru. :thumbsup:
No successful player plays with only a 24 unit bankroll. That's absurd. ------- DSAA
Confirms that AP needs extra large bankroll. At manual table b&m casino 500units x $25(min) = $12,500++ minimum bankroll.
It has become clear that wheel and ball APers have to try circumvent variance with money management modeled on past statistical info collated - curve fitting and gamblers fallacy territory.
I don't subscribe to methods that use MM of extra large bankroll to circumvent variance. Reason being random has no bounds.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 26, 08:25 AM 2018
It would be quite beneficial if players read up on basic statistics, standard deviation, the house edge, player edge, expectation, basic odds etc. Basics need to be understood or you go in circles. Nothing discussed here is new. Its all really old news any statistics student knows.
Steve
You really need to move on, what you talking about are basics and every professional player know them.
Let's try to be constructive, now If cht, hollymolly or even luck7red has 500 $ and want to double them on roulette, what system would you suggest them to use ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 26, 08:47 AM 2018
Steve
You really need to move on,
Let's try to be constructive, now If cht, hollymolly or â,¬â,¬ even luck7red â,¬â,¬ has 500 $ and want to double them on roulette, what system would you suggest them to use ?
Lucky guy will know for sure how to use 500$ :)
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Mar 26, 09:18 AM 2018
Lucky guy will know for sure how to use 500$ :)
know for sure
how to "use" 5000$
OR
know for sure
how to "lose" 5000$
?
-:)
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 26, 02:30 AM 2018
I like this thread, though. ;D
If it's a toss up between this thread and the PATTERN BREAKER thread, that one wins IMO.....it's a doozy!
Here is a guy getting his daily fix of PB news and updates. ;D
Back to the topic
One such an interesting question
What are the virtual limits of showing the 3 time repeater?
We know that in 37 spins, the probability of showing 3 time repeater is over 98%.
But what are the percentages when we make it to the 42nd spin without 3 repeater, how far it can take?
Quote from: ozon on Mar 26, 03:42 PM 2018
Back to the topic
One such an interesting question
What are the virtual limits of showing the 3 time repeater?
We know that in 37 spins, the probability of showing 3 time repeater is over 98%.
But what are the percentages when we make it to the 42nd spin without 3 repeater, how far it can take?
You need Einstein and an Excel sheet!
2 hours of tests on RX
First hit 3 time repeater was at 48 spin ,.
Virtual limits that are far away
There is a useful feature in RX that monitors all nrs that hit above the mean in real time. Shame that it only does so from the start of the session. It would be cool if it did it for every given last number of spins.
Because betting all nrs that hit above the mean seems to work, on-screen at least (impractical).
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 26, 08:47 AM 2018
Steve
You really need to move on, what you talking about are basics and every professional player know them.
Let's try to be constructive, now If cht, hollymolly or even luck7red has 500 $ and want to double them on roulette, what system would you suggest them to use ?
if the basics were understood, this thread wouldnt exist. i am trying to be constructive.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 27, 06:18 AM 2018
if the basics were understood, this thread wouldnt exist. i am trying to be constructive.
Plz explain a 5 repeater in 37 spin on the basis of ur rigid math 1/37. I said rigid math.
Madi,
1. Yes the math is rigid. When does 1+1 maybe = 3?
2. It isnt my math. I didnt design it.
3. To start, repeaters dont at all change the odds. Dont argue. Just test lots and see. So if you are still at 1 in 37, why choose a repeater? Theres no benefit.
Steve
You right, repeaters don't change odds in the Long term, but most players nowadays are seeking short term profit and don't give a damn to long term systems.
In that Case, repeaters can be profitable if played shortly.
Anyway, I was talking yerstetday to a friend who has PHD in software engineering and he told me that he is making good money on RNG, he didn't tell me exactly how is doing so, but I believe he is cracking the random number generator by finding out the seed of the generator
What do you think, do you think something like that is possible ?
yes it is possible to expoit flaws in rng. Everyone would do much better if efforts were focused on that. Relatively simple software can check for rng flaws.
regarding short term winnings, what if 100 players played short term? The end combined result is no different to long term play. So which players win or lose? Nobody knows. Its random.
Short term play doesnt help long term winnings. Its like playing just 1 spin a day for 100 days. Its no different to 100 players making 1 bet each in 1 day.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 27, 07:16 AM 2018
yes it is possible to expoit flaws in rng. Everyone would do much better if efforts were focused on that. Relatively simple software can check for rng flaws.
regarding short term winnings, what if 100 players played short term? The end combined result is no different to long term play. So which players win or lose? Nobody knows. Its random.
Short term play doesnt help long term winnings. Its like playing just 1 spin a day for 100 days. Its no different to 100 players making 1 bet each in 1 day.
RNG flaws? i never heard.
what is that and on what is it based?
Quote from: Steve on Mar 27, 06:42 AM 2018
Madi,
3. To start, repeaters dont at all change the odds. Dont argue. Just test lots and see. So if you are still at 1 in 37, why choose a repeater? Theres no benefit.
I am not in a argument that it does change odd. It does not. I m not asking about odd. My question is if 1/37 is a rigid math then what is a repeater ? Its no longer a 1/37. What is ur explanation.
This has been discussed before. It started with the last post on page three, which is spot-on. The keyword is "soon".
We must not confuse one number having appeared n times in the last 37 spins with the 1/37 chances that same or any other number have of hitting inn the next spin. Different planes, that don´t have any influence on each other.Untl this isn´t grasped it´s a walk around in circles that never ends...
I´m going to illustrate what I wrote in my second and third last posts soon.
37 spins. notice the green dot line. the mean. notice the numbers that hit two times are above, the one timers are at the same level as the line and the sleepers are below the line.
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111spins. notice how some repeaters are still hitting below average.
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296 spins after session started. draw your own conclusions.
If you keep betting just the numbers that hit (past tense) abovee average, you will lose due to the unfair payouts.
however, this is the monitoring of a session that started only 296 ago.
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You know, betting the ones that hit on average also seems to work for a finite number of spins.
And betting on all the ones that hit below the mean ALSO seems to work. fuck it
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 27, 12:51 PM 2018RNG flaws? i never heard.
what is that and on what is it based?
There are many tests that can be done. The simplest is to check for bias. Another is check for frequency of numbers after specific numbers. Again it's a long list of tests.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 27, 01:42 PM 2018My question is if 1/37 is a rigid math then what is a repeater ? Its no longer a 1/37. What is ur explanation.
Each number is 1 in 37, including "repeaters". For a back-to-back repeater to happen, the odds are 1 in 37^2 = 1,369 and keep in mind there are 37 pockets, so back to back repeaters are not uncommon. Plus you can often get something like 32,4,5,32. Really its just basic probability. Repeaters are just the gambler's imagination. Another player's imagination is a sleeping number. It's all part of typical gambler's fallacy explained many times before. Like I said, basic knowledge of statistics will make a big difference here.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 27, 04:58 PM 2018The keyword is "soon".
We must not confuse one number having appeared n times in the last 37 spins with the 1/37 chances that same or any other number have of hitting inn the next spin. Different planes, that don´t have any influence on each other.Untl this isn´t grasped it´s a walk around in circles that never ends...
The concept of "soon" is well-tested too. Repeaters, cold numbers etc all have the same odds/expectation as any other number.
psimoes, If you start with numbers that recently hit more frequently (repeaters/hot numbers), and bet on them, you'll win no more or less often than if you bet randomly.
The whole thing about repeaters and hot numbers is so old. Casinos will freely give you that data because they know inexperienced players will think they see patterns and trends where there are none. The casino games are designed to fool you and take advantage of human nature to find order where there is none.
To be correct, there is always order. But understanding and predicting it is not so simple. And it is just not possible to do with hot numbers and repeaters.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 27, 05:42 PM 2018You know, betting the ones that hit on average also seems to work for a finite number of spins. And betting on all the ones that hit below the mean ALSO seems to work. f*** it
Actually neither works. The win rate is still 1 in 37, whether you look at just the next spins, or any spins that happen "soon". And that's my point.
Years and years of going in circles on forums. Nothing is learned. And the concept is really simple.
Also the page link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ has more detail. And I suggest people take the forum quiz.
None of the information is something you can debate. You just need to properly test, and the truth is self evident. And again, its all really, really old news.
Steve, very eloquent as usual. Cheers.
Roulettebeater, RNG is explained here link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=SxP30euw3-0 at around 3:00 . But it´s worth watching that video from beginning to end. It´s very informative.
I am logged in right now at one online casino, there is someone called 'meeeeeeeeee', he is winning BIGGGGGGGGGG
46k every two spins
unbelievable!
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how on earth can he do that?
this is the 10th winning bet with >40k
O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Sometimes fun account results are displayed. Or could be high roller. Real wheel, so maybe.
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grilling the roulette
meeee doing fu***k damn goood
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meeee still hungry for money
:)
more more
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TOTAL PROFIT +1 MILLION
He may be from the House of Saud, the dude...
I just played a game exactly as described on ''add-up test'', but betted on 0, then 0+1, 0+1+2, and filled the board this way from left to right until new high, instead of betting on hits and repeaters.
No difference. Same behavior. Probably the same as betting red when red, or betting black when red. Odds are the same in the immediate spin.
Would people say bets selection is more relevant on nrs, splits, streets, doz, and/or EC? If different, why?
The enemy of any betselection is variance.
To change the odds your betselection must be in line with variance.
This means if the variance of future spins is negative your betselection has to likewise be in that same direction vv.
Quote from: cht on Mar 27, 10:03 PM 2018
The enemy of any betselection is variance.
Agreed. But theres a way to fix that though....like i said on the graphs
...What goes down must come up....... :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Mar 27, 10:03 PM 2018The enemy of any betselection is variance.
A bigger enemy is not having any effectiveness. And that can start with ignorance.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 28, 12:47 AM 2018What goes down must come up.......
If there's no odds change, the result will be a gradual sinking ship.. maybe with the occasional bob up and then down.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 28, 12:47 AM 2018
Agreed. But theres a way to fix that though....like i said on the graphs
...What goes down must come up....... :thumbsup:
Correct. Right now there is zero graphical representation and/or maths study of variance discussed on forums, that's a huge surprise to me that no effort is made since inception to explore variance in-depth as though no one even thought about it - probably out of depth.
Just play repeaters with a possitive progression of 1/2/4 - 1/3/9 - 1/4/16 or the TG one 1/5/25.
Spin until a number repeats and place 1 unit on hit. Do this with every new repeater that comes along.
When a repeater hits and at a new High, restart progress.
When a repeater hits and your not at a new High, use your progression on the hitted number. We continue this until a. At a new High and restart or when you Have reached the End in your progression. If that is the case then we don't remove the number but start with playing 1 unit on it again and proceed.
True a Large bankroll is needed, but up till now it didn't fail. 3000 units om the RS isn't enough to play this way, i sugest that a bank of min.5000 Will be needed. But the higher the bank the better.
Quote from: cht on Mar 28, 01:44 AM 2018that's a huge surprise to me that no effort is made since inception to explore variance in-depth as though no one even thought about it
That would be true... if it weren't for hundreds of millions of statisticians, school students, inquisitive players, and professionals in the gaming industry.
Hahaha no isn't from saud family
It was me -:)
For those interested, this video gives you a basic idea about variance and standard deviation. Ofc how to apply that math is something else.
link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HAYd0QnRc
CHT
You arrive at the wheel, the marquee shows nothing, and so no past spins. What you do know is you’re going to have 37 spins.
So at spin 1; what is variance telling you?
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 28, 03:33 AM 2018
CHT
You arrive at the wheel, the marquee shows nothing, and so no past spins. What you do know is you’re going to have 37 spins.
So at spin 1; what is variance telling you?
Good question and a relevant question as to how TG plays.
This is his comments about his definition of past spins.
Spins contained in the session I am playing aren't past spins. I don't use past spins (what's happened before I started playing) for anything. I do use spins that have appeared during my session. ------- TurboGeniusThis clearly means that to TG past spins refer to those spins that occurred before he arrive at the table. Spins that occurred after he sits down at the table is not past spins to him.
As to your question at spin 1 the limited input data is insufficient for any meaningful variance to form.
Quote from: cht on Mar 28, 04:13 AM 2018As to your question at spin 1 the limited input data is insufficient for any meaningful variance to form
Yes and spin 2
After my great winning, the casino rejecting to payout !
What to do ?
!!!
CHT
dont bother, over 37 spins, all you need to know is how the starting 37 could come in those 37 spins.
Some person had millions of spins,took the milions of spins in 37 spin cycles and found on average those 37 spins gives 24 of the starting 37.
So how will variance show when to bet for a non-hit or a repeat.
One person shows how to bet for a non-hit by crossings, does variance help on making the decision of whether to bet for the crossing or bet for repeat, crossing fail
So when at the B+M with the supplied card, you're recording/tracking spins for your method and at the same time working on variance, remember you're in TOP DOGS roulette world must be DUH playable in TOP DOGS real world ,cough
Turbo waits for repeaters then covers them with progression over recurring blocks of 37 spin cycles. He resets after a cycle's profit.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 28, 04:56 AM 2018
Turbo waits for repeaters then covers them with progression over recurring blocks of 37 spin cycles. He resets after a cycle's profit.
No he doesn't! You Will soon find out All about turbo's way of Life.
He has made his approach quite clear, to anyone paying attention.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 28, 05:13 AM 2018
He has made his approach quite clear, to anyone paying attention.
Ok if you say so.
Jekhb76, if you push a bet with a higher unit value over 37 spins, aiming for a hit and it doesnt come, you will indeed need a high bankroll. This can not be profitable long term.
I remember you considered once removing the numbers after their 37 spin cycle, like I advised in another post a while ago.
Are you removing numbers this way or only when they hit after a 37 spin cycle or not at all?
I do remove them after each nr completing its own 37 spin cycle, and adjust bets on all other numbers accordingly.
instead of trying to figure out what number is going to show 1 time.... because you can't really...
try to figure out which number is going to repeat !!!!!!!! ------- TurboGenius
and most of the time I'm not even playing the best possible numbers - or the numbers that were the hottest or appeared the most. Of the top 10 I'm typically on a few of them and getting wins.
TG bets on potential future repeaters. He doesn't bet on ALL numbers.
This also means he may not bet from the first moment the first hit or R1 appears.
He selects only a few numbers to bet.
Yes, he uses progression bet sizing.
Quote from: cht on Mar 28, 06:31 AM 2018instead of trying to figure out what number is going to show 1 time.... because you can't really...
try to figure out which number is going to repeat !!!!!!!! ------- TurboGenius
try to figure out which number is going to repeat, Sums it up nicely, guess
The casino doesn't want to payout !
They say I am using computer!
There is unfortunately a huge amount of unsaid things in Turbo strategy
Everyone can identify directions differently
A few days ago, I did simulations on the RX.
I wanted to see how extreme repeaters can behave.
I assumed that if in 37 spins cycle, we dont have a 3time repeater, it should show up very quickly, the assumption was that it should appear up to 42 spin
I used a short progression on all numbers that have hit 2 times. in 37 cycle.
1-1-2-3-5
Maybe my tests were too short, but quite quickly, I saw sessions where the first hit was only on the spin 48.
And it probably is not a virtual limit
RB, tell us what casino is it that does not want to pay you out.
Quote from: foreverBOB on Mar 28, 07:10 AM 2018
RB, tell us what casino is it that does not want to pay you out.
Unibeh
Quote from: ozon on Mar 28, 07:00 AM 2018
There is unfortunately a huge amount of unsaid things in Turbo strategy
Everyone can identify directions differently
A few days ago, I did simulations on the RX.
I wanted to see how extreme repeaters can behave.
I assumed that if in 37 spins cycle, we dont have a 3time repeater, it should show up very quickly, the assumption was that it should appear up to 42 spin
I used a short progression on all numbers that have hit 2 times. in 37 cycle.
1-1-2-3-5
Maybe my tests were too short, but quite quickly, I saw sessions where the first hit was only on the spin 48.
And it probably is not a virtual limit
Fast but still a guess
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QuoteAfter my great winning, the casino rejecting to payout !
What to do ?
!!!
due to what reasons
Quote from: maestro on Mar 28, 08:19 AM 2018
due to what reasons
Huge amount won and they starting to grumble !!!!
RB, I have never gotten any withdrawal issues with Unibet.
Could you post the email they've sent you please?
QuoteHuge amount won and they starting to grumble !!!!
what 40 milion ..... :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
No, only 1.154.000
I am satisfied though !
QuoteNo, only 1.154.000
what somali shillings... :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: maestro on Mar 28, 01:02 PM 2018
what somali shillings... :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
excellent M :twisted:
euro
I will tell you a secret:
Collect 6 previous result on a real wheel and calculate the speed of the wheel for each result.
Then cover a set of number that show up with a speed that doesn't belong to the previous 6 combi of speeds.
GO MAKE MONEY....
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 28, 03:33 AM 2018So at spin 1; what is variance telling you?
I see dickhead DSAA really thinks that was a serious question, fuck me, he must be the retard to think that
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 28, 04:26 AM 2018
Yes and spin 2
Yes DSAA 2 spins yeah will learn a lot from 2 spins what a cunt you are
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 28, 04:43 AM 2018
CHT
dont bother, over 37 spins, all you need to know is how the starting 37 could come in those 37 spins.
Some person had millions of spins,took the milions of spins in 37 spin cycles and found on average those 37 spins gives 24 of the starting 37.
So how will variance show when to bet for a non-hit or a repeat.
One person shows how to bet for a non-hit by crossings, does variance help on making the decision of whether to bet for the crossing or bet for repeat, crossing fail
So when at the B+M with the supplied card, you're recording/tracking spins for your method and at the same time working on variance, remember you're in TOP DOGS roulette world must be DUH playable in TOP DOGS real world ,cough
Dickhead see it was tongue in cheek and you bit, because you're a fucking retard, useless piece of shite, piss off and find a wheel preferably a car wheel and have your head under it
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 28, 02:46 PM 2018
I will tell you a secret:
Collect 6 previous result on a real wheel and calculate the speed of the wheel for each result.
Then cover a set of number that show up with a speed that doesn't belong to the previous 6 combi of speeds.
GO MAKE MONEY....
Hi ...
Can you make an example please ...
Thank you
Quote from: iar000 on Mar 28, 03:20 PM 2018
Hi ...
Can you make an example please ...
Thank you
sure,
let's take an example,
SPIN1 = 19
SPIN2 = 22
There are equations used to calculate the speed (approximation) of the wheel between these two spins.
all what you have to do is calcualte 6 speeds (you need 7 spins), then place a bet by covering a group of number that can be hit with a speed that not in the previous 6 speeds.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 28, 03:26 PM 2018
sure,
let's take an example,
SPIN1 = 19
SPIN2 = 22
There are equations used to calculate the speed (approximation) of the wheel between these two spins.
all what you have to do is calcualte 6 speeds (you need 7 spins), then place a bet by covering a group of number that can be hit with a speed that not in the previous 6 speeds.
Ok ... And what is the equations to calculate ..
Thanks
DSAA could answer this :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 28, 04:16 PM 2018
DSAA could answer this :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
What is DSAA....
An idiot on gambling forum follow him and you'll be doomed
Problem sorted out, casino rejected to cashout the whole sum at once, then they suggested to request three withdrawals each up to 350k
First withdrawal approved
Hi All Gamblers,
I don't know if this my idea has been already talk
but I would ask you what do you think about bet only first 10 spins, begin every new 10 spins.
Betting until a hit in the first "Notto checkpoint 1 " .
Example: 31 win at 7º spin)..Taking new 10 spins it's good to see that range of ten spins win a lot of times..
1º ->31
2º->19
3º->14
4º->29
5º->8
6º->1
7º->31
8º->33
9º->27
10º->21
I Could wait for a 10 loser strike and start to bet flat the next 10..
Thanks
Bye bye Gitano
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 22, 12:16 PM 2018
from spin 11
Hi Notto,
Why not from spin 2 ?
I bet 1,2
if I loose I bet 1,2,3
if I loose I will bet 1,2,3,4 and so on until spin 9 or 10.
Reset all and start again from spin 11º looking like the 1º and repeat the procedure. 1,2, 1,2,3- 1,2,3,4 ...
Your checkpoints show 8/10.. 9/10 a lot
To increase accuracy I will wait 10/10 and next (in 20º to 30º) probably I will have 9/10... do you think ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 26, 08:47 AM 2018You really need to move on, what you talking about are basics and every professional player know them.
Really? Firstly, if someone is a "professional", they already know it. There aren't many professionals here unfortunately. I'm not having a dig. It's just the truth. So when someone says their system is something like "wait for 3 consecutive misses on the first dozen, then bet on the first dozen with a progression", they dont need to learn basics?
Quote from: Madi on Mar 27, 06:23 AM 2018Plz explain a 5 repeater in 37 spin on the basis of ur rigid math 1/37. I said rigid math.
I already have, many times.
The odds of each spin are 1 in 37. So for ANY sequence of 5 spins, the odds are:
(1/37)^5 = 1 in 69,343,957
This includes a sequence like 1,2,3,4,5 or 32,15,19,22,0
The odds of a repeater need to be calculated based on the past few spins. For example, if we have seen 4 spins (with all unique numbers and no repeats), and want to know the odds of the next spin being a repeater, it is 4/37.
The math is really basic.
Players that dont understand it say things like "there MUST be repeaters".
Well yeah, statistically it's probable. Because the more spins you see, the more unique numbers will appear, and the greater the chances of a repeat.
Knowing this is USELESS. It's like saying "if we have spins like RRRRRRRR..... eventually red is gonna spin." Well duh. It doesn't help.
The difference between my simplistic example and repeaters is that repeaters are only marginally more complicated, but much more difficult for some players to get their heads around. But it's still all the same basic stuff.
You say people already know the basics. But they clearly don't.
I should add that although I studied applied physics at RMIT, I comparatively suck at math (I quit my course because it was as boring as cat shit, and wasnt teaching anything outside books). Perhaps I dont suck at it compared to the average player though. It's just that the math and concepts are really simple, yet still not being understood.
Quote from: wiggy on Mar 26, 11:13 AM 2018
I'm guessing that...
This guy is single.
Wouldn't know what a vagina or breast felt like, even if it slapped him in the face (I can give vivid descriptions).
Has a Vitamin D deficiency.
Yet still loves life.
We can learn a lot from this man. Great share. :thumbsup:
You got me distracted. I have work to do. You did this.
I'm concerned about the viability of this study. The subjects appear to be HAND-picked, rather than random.
I would commission a new study myself, but missed my window. Too old now. Results may not be as desired.
Holy crap.
These come to mind...
1. If you smoke a pipe, there's a limit.
2. Do. Not. Have. Sex. With. Relatives.
3. What the fu....?
4. Cross Finland off your list. Avoid.
5. Smoking a pipe is not necessarily as bad as eating it.
....all of the above. ;D
Quote from: Steve on Sep 08, 10:59 PM 2019The odds of each spin are 1 in 37.
Steve, I know you've been arguing about this for at least a decade. Everyone knows the spins are independent and the odds of next spin never changes. But I'm curious, do you accept that even though spins are independent, groups of numbers or events like repeats have some kind of connection and dependency?
Quote from: ati on Sep 09, 05:34 AM 2019Steve, I know you've been arguing about this for at least a decade.
I wouldnt call it arguing. More like trying to help.
Quote from: ati on Sep 09, 05:34 AM 2019do you accept that even though spins are independent, groups of numbers or events like repeats have some kind of connection and dependency?
No. Theres absolutely no connection. Thats the point. What people are perceiving as a connection is something very different.
You dont need to be an expert to understand this point. In educated groups, it is mundane everyday knowledge. But on forums, its a point of disagreement.
Quote from: Taotie on Sep 09, 12:44 AM 2019
While we're at it...
Hey, you do all realise he's got a whole box full? :xd: :twisted: :xd:
A box full of repeaters, scary stuff.
QuoteNo. Theres absolutely no connection.
But the data shows otherwise.
I did a very simple test anyone can do, to demonstrate what I mean. I have generated 10000 random numbers, then randomly selected 1352 numbers form the set and converted them to high or low. Then I checked if the next H/L is the same as the previous. The result is truly random as you can see on the chart. No connection, no dependency.
But! Then I did the same test and selected 1352 numbers where a repeat happened and a cycle ended. Also converted them to H/L, and checked if the next is the same as the previous. You can clearly see the difference on the chart.
And note, these repeats are distinct events, usually 8-10 spins between them, so there should not be any connection. But there is.
QuoteWhat people are perceiving as a connection is something very different.
So what is it then? It needs to be called something and connection seems to be the most appropriate word.
Also, these numbers are constant. In 10K spins there will always be approximately 1300 cycles, and the high or low position chart for repeats will always look the same.
This is nothing new, all this was shared on the forum years ago, and of course it is not enough to win, because you don't know if a repeat comes in the next 3 spins or the next 15 spins.
The funny thing is that it I could avoid just the 1300 spins where the repeats happen and bet the remaining 8700 spins or vice versa, I could have a constant winning system. My tests confirmed that many times.
Some people did find a way to exploit this, but you think they are nuts. It's not something that can be figured out in a few days, 99% of the people, even experienced roulette players could not figure it out in a lifetime.
my take on it is as steve says its 1 in 37 each spin...single number...the straight translation is this..
whats the odds of a dozen hitting?
what are the odds of a line hitting?
what are the odds of ds hitting?
what are the odds of split hitting etc..
you get the point..
the difference here is they are a set of collected numbers reducing odds down to there respective places on the table..
so ...the numbers coming one by one give you lesser odds to hit...
you get to 6 numbers its essentially a ds odd...you get to 12 numbers its essentially a dozen with dozen odds...not the 1 in 37...
giving you a better odds of a repeat...etc the more numbers there are the greater chance of a repeat..
thats just a basic version...
odds payout with extra pocket should be of no concern to a winning system...
if you think it does then someone post a winning system that,ll win if zero is taken away..
make no mistake steves odds for 1 in 37 is right.. just don,t be blinded by it
Quote from: ati on Sep 09, 07:12 AM 2019
But the data shows otherwise.
I did a very simple test anyone can do, to demonstrate what I mean. I have generated 10000 random numbers, then randomly selected 1352 numbers form the set and converted them to high or low. Then I checked if the next H/L is the same as the previous. The result is truly random as you can see on the chart. No connection, no dependency.
But! Then I did the same test and selected 1352 numbers where a repeat happened and a cycle ended. Also converted them to H/L, and checked if the next is the same as the previous. You can clearly see the difference on the chart.
And note, these repeats are distinct events, usually 8-10 spins between them, so there should not be any connection. But there is.
So what is it then? It needs to be called something and connection seems to be the most appropriate word.
Also, these numbers are constant. In 10K spins there will always be approximately 1300 cycles, and the high or low position chart for repeats will always look the same.
This is nothing new, all this was shared on the forum years ago, and of course it is not enough to win, because you don't know if a repeat comes in the next 3 spins or the next 15 spins.
The funny thing is that it I could avoid just the 1300 spins where the repeats happen and bet the remaining 8700 spins or vice versa, I could have a constant winning system. My tests confirmed that many times.
Some people did find a way to exploit this, but you think they are nuts. It's not something that can be figured out in a few days, 99% of the people, even experienced roulette players could not figure it out in a lifetime.
Enjoyed reading your post! What you just pointed out has been said many times and it’s a FACT!
These FACTS make you question the game and these questions lead to a different approach
And now pay attention to this.....
Dyksexlic never said you needed a repeat to win! 😱
He said something totally different. 👈
Question everything you know about roulette and look at the facts
Quote from: ati on Sep 09, 07:12 AM 2019I did a very simple test anyone can do, to demonstrate what I mean. I have generated 10000 random numbers, then randomly selected 1352 numbers form the set and converted them to high or low.
Ok so far. But when the winning number was 0, did you consider this a high or low?
And what are the X & Y axis representing on your charts?
From my understanding you compared H/L numbers from random selection, to H/L numbers some time after repeats. Then you did this:
Quote from: ati on Sep 09, 07:12 AM 2019checked if the next is the same as the previous
What does this mean? Your explanation is not clear. Do you mean consecutive numbers like 32,32?
Quote from: ati on Sep 09, 07:12 AM 2019In 10K spins there will always be approximately 1300 cycles
Cycles of what exactly?
Quote from: ati on Sep 09, 07:12 AM 2019of course it is not enough to win, because you don't know if a repeat comes in the next 3 spins or the next 15 spins.
If you have X amount of unique numbers, there will of course be an AVERAGE amount of spins in which a repeat will occur. That's because it comes back to the 1/37 odds.
Please clarify the points above. They are ambiguous and unclear. I would be happy to clearly explain what you consider some kind of predictable pattern, so people can focus on looking for something that can be exploited.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 09, 07:10 PM 2019And what are the X & Y axis representing on your charts?
What does this mean? Your explanation is not clear. Do you mean consecutive numbers like 32,32?
Cycles of what exactly?
I would also like the answers to those questions, I don't have a clue what ATI is on about. ???
Sorry, you are right, my explanation was unclear. I have attached an excel sheet, maybe it's more understandable if you also see the data.
Column A - 10K randomly generated numbers between 0 and 36
Column B - the numbers converted to High or Low (or Zero)
The colored rows show the end of the number cycles, when a number repeats and a new cycle starts. There are 1356 cycles.
Column E - contains only the 1356 colored High or Low values (the end of the number cycles)
Column F - checks if the next H/L in Column E is the same as the previous, and returns +1 if same, -1 if different
Column G - the sum function adds all the +1/-1 values, and that's what the chart is showing
This is very different from random results. This is what we call connection between number groups/cycles. This is just one example, who knows how many other connections are there.
You can call it a fallacy, an illusion, but I'm sure those who know a lot more than we do, can construct a HG from these so called imbalances. After all, these supposed to be random results. What law says that after 4,33,10,2,19,24,31,6 the low numbers have higher chance to repeat?
This is of course cannot simply be turned into a winning system, because you would have to know exactly how long each cycle will be. And we have been told numerous times that a winning system must not wait for any winning event to happen. It must be a continuous process, somehow going with the flow.
Ok thanks, now I understand what you mean. Do you have an excel chart that automatically calculates the H/L values and other fields?
First I'd like to test with other winning numbers.
If everything is correct and there's no error, then a simple way to exploit it may be bet on the H/L values that are appearing. So if you are expecting H, bet only on High numbers within the cycle.
Another thing to look at is a cycle starts from a number that was included in a previous cycle. So the numbers you consider get repeated in your calculations. This makes it more likely that the H/L is repeated consecutively.
I think this is the source of your results.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 10, 08:12 PM 2019I think this is the source of your results.
Good point. The H/L position that defined the cycle is always part of the next cycle. But still these repeats aren't that close to each other like for example dozen repeats are, so it's very interesting to see this result. And even though we are looking at straight numbers, we consider H/L positions, so the probability of same or different is 50/50. By the way it also works with Red or Black :)
It doesn't really matter how it happens, what matters that it happens, even if we created it with cycles. How many times did we hear, "create your own numbers", "create your own positions", "create your own game" There are endless possibilities.
Anyway, it was not my intention to convince you or anyone. I was just curious if you considered the possibilities of connections and dependencies after a decade of repeating that spins are independent. They are, but no one says we need to play spins, you
never no what will happen in the next spin, but in the next 10, 100 or 1000 spins you can predict certain events to happen with a high accuracy.
I have updated the sheet, it automatically calculates the H/L values and highlights the cycles for 20K numbers. You can enter your own spins or generate new ones in excel. You need to filter by color to copy the H/L values into Column E manually. That'd be too difficult to automatize. And make sure to paste the data as values not as functions.
Updated to reference the other column for you and made Col A random. Is this what you intended?
Or, you could look at what Priyanka shared years ago here.
I have exposed all hidden columns and there's a wonderful graph down below.
Have good fun.
Actually, the file is too large but I'm sure you can find it in their repeat attachments.
Quote from: ati on Sep 11, 02:30 PM 2019They are, but no one says we need to play spins, you never no what will happen in the next spin, but in the next 10, 100 or 1000 spins you can predict certain events to happen with a high accuracy.
Events being repeats or 2 appearances within X spins? Accuracy being CLX being X% on average? That's no different to 1 appearance in 1 spin or 66% 2 dozens will hit on average every spin.
In your spreadsheet column C and D are missing - so it's never shown how to get from column B to column E. Are you trying to see if Steve will fall for that?
Repeats are only dependent on the starting partition - so I don't think there's any connection between cycles - regardless of whether you take the repeats or the uniques. Each cycle (or group of numbers) is independent of the previous.
There are many examples of dependence but so what. It's still only statistics. Yes, certain things must happen - now what?
Quote from: ati on Sep 11, 02:30 PM 2019But still these repeats aren't that close to each other like for example dozen repeats are
A dozen is 12 numbers. The odds for a repeat of a single number starts with 1 number, then 2,3,4,5, etc. So the odds becoming increasingly high, with proportion to the number of unique numbers. So the odds are: 1/37, 2/37, 3/37 etc. So I don't understand your point of the above comment.
Quote from: ati on Sep 11, 02:30 PM 2019so it's very interesting to see this result
Exactly how is it interesting? If you include a previous number in your group, then of course the group is more likely to repeat that number.
Quote from: ati on Sep 11, 02:30 PM 2019It doesn't really matter how it happens, what matters that it happens
Yes it happens, but its no different to saying reds and blacks happen. It doesnt help knowing this.
Quote from: ati on Sep 11, 02:30 PM 2019I was just curious if you considered the possibilities of connections and dependencies after a decade of repeating that spins are independent.
Believe me I have an open mind to all possibilities. But I don't believe something without information to back it up. If I don't have information, I'll look for it. In this case, you provided information but what you thought was a connection is an oversight. I've been doing this a long time and have probably had more oversights than anyone here. There's nothing wrong with that. It's part of progress. But it's important to learn and progress when you understand the oversight.
Quote from: ati on Sep 11, 02:30 PM 2019even if we created it with cycles
You can't "create" something with roulette. You can't influence the spins. There's only whatever there is.
Beating roulette is about predicting spins with sufficient accuracy to overcome the unfair payouts. The question is HOW to do it. To me the most logical way is correlate the variables to the winning numbers. But I'm sure there are other ways not yet thought of.
Quote from: ati on Sep 11, 02:30 PM 2019after a decade of repeating that spins are independent
Until i see something that indicates otherwise, instead of everything that indicates there's no dependence, I'll naturally continue to have my reasonable belief.
Quote from: ati on Sep 11, 02:30 PM 2019you never no what will happen in the next spin, but in the next 10, 100 or 1000 spins you can predict certain events to happen with a high accuracy.
Maybe true, but I haven't yet found a solid way to demonstrate or prove this. There's lots we don't understand about the universe. But it makes sense to look at the road less traveled.
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 11, 04:34 PM 2019There are many examples of dependence but so what. It's still only statistics.
Its not at all dependence. The variables are different for each spin. Sometimes the variables are within ranges, and are predictable enough, for correlation. So you can predict spins with sufficient accuracy. For example, with dealer signature.
But most of you arent looking at tangible real-world variables. The way most of you are looking at it is like saying the weather in Australia is dependent on the weather in Moscow. In such a case, there is correlation, but not that you can realistically use one to predict the other. It's even worse with RNG.
Steve,
You missed this point, which is the most important:
Quoteyou never no what will happen in the next spin, but in the next 10, 100 or 1000 spins you can predict certain events to happen with a high accuracy.
I believe the heart of the misunderstanding between AP and system players is that:
- AP sees each spin as a physical event - they only care about physical causality
- System players look at spins collectively, as data obeying rules (probability) and try to work through them statistically. Then they combine these observations/expectations with a fitting wagering plan, which IMO is the most important part of a strategy.
The two approaches are totally, completely different and there is not a chance they can meet each other. Like I have said: Both the robber and the trader make money operating in a bank, but they do totally different things. There is not a chance they would talk about the bank and understand each other,
Quote from: Kav on Sep 12, 12:39 AM 2019System players look at spins collectively, as data obeying rules (probability) and try to work through them statistically
No matter how many times you beat a dead horse's ass, it's not coming back to life.
Quote from: Kav on Sep 12, 12:39 AM 2019they only care about physical causality
Not exactly. We look at data collectively - we look well beyond one spin. We look at statistics. We look at statistical relevance - ie is an event happening outside what would be expected if results were random?
An AP player looks at far more data than typical system players. That's why we're always saying "test more spins", and system players respond with "but we'll never play that many spins".
One example: statistics does not guarantee a wheel is biased, or that something is legit. Simply the more data you have, the more sure you can be.
Quote from: Kav on Sep 12, 12:39 AM 2019There is not a chance they would talk about the bank and understand each other,
APs do understand system players. The problem is system players are wrong. Need proof? Never once have I ever known a system player, on this on any other forum, to give one valid point about "statistics" that can be exploited. There's plenty of talk like "there must be repeats", which is as useful as saying "eventually every number will spin".
Nobody is saying you cant win with a system. Like nobody is saying you can't win with random bets. A legitimate advantage is something very different.
APs do not have the misunderstanding. We can make statements, and back them up with verifiable proof. System players say "look, there are always repeats and we can prove it", but they are not understanding it's just basic statistics.
The day I find one tangible shred of information that indicates an edge is possible with nonsense like repeats, is the day I swap AP for it.
123 - can numbers increase without the first or second elements? Can a decrease from 2 to 1 or 3 to 2 occur without the first element defining it?
Dependence creates a bias. Accept that fact or move on.
Blueprint, your example is unclear. Please be more clear and elaborate.
What elements? 123 what? Whats decreasing? Whats defining what?
Steve,
I believe Blueprint refers to the known "argument" that to become a 3-times repeater a number has first to be a 2-times repeater etc.
I would agree with you on this one. It is stating the obvious and does not offer a clue on how to use this fact to our advantage.
How is it different to: for there to be two winning numbers, first there must be one.
Its equally useless.
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 12, 08:18 PM 2019
Dependence creates a bias. Accept that fact or move on.
Blueprint statement is correct.
But it does not explain things properly.
I started a new thread specially to discuss this aspect.
This thread is a discussion for people who wish to know more about this topic, the facts. No some shit. I dont care about your forum status - both forum owners means zero in my discussion, no disrespect intended. So dont write shit in my thread.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=26299.msg230945;topicseen#msg230945
For those who want to know real stuff, do yourself a favour read this thread.
I will write more when I have the time.
But there is no such dependence.
Can someone show otherwise?
When "proof" is provided so far, its an error or misundersranding.
If people are going to make claims, back them up.
Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 13, 02:58 AM 2019I dont care about your forum status - both forum owners means zero in my discussion, no disrespect intended. So dont write shit in my thread.
Nobody gives a shit who owns the forum. Why would you even make a point like that?
What matters is verifiable fact, not fairytales. It looks like you use my position as admin to discount what ive said.
Focus on the message, not the messenger.
Steve, pls delete this post, I posted on wrong thread. Thanks
Quote from: Steve on Sep 12, 08:25 PM 2019
Blueprint, your example is unclear. Please be more clear and elaborate.
What elements? 123 what? Whats decreasing? Whats defining what?
I assume he's referring to the results being higher or lower than the previous result.
The result (higher or lower) has a dependence on the previous number.
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s%E2%80%93Szekeres_theorem
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 12, 08:18 PM 2019Dependence creates a bias. Accept that fact or move on.
No it doesn't. Spins can be dependent/independent with or without there also being a bias. Bias and independence are not related, and certainly not by cause and effect.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 14, 05:39 AM 2019
No it doesn't. Spins can be dependent/independent with or without there also being a bias. Bias and independence are not related, and certainly not by cause and effect.
You are correct again. My earlier comment is wrong and I admit it. I am here to make post that's correct. Not spread wrong fact.
Lets be fair to blueprint who, like me, don't have a major in math. But I do read up on the facts to know what's right or wrong. In this case you are correct and we are wrong. I am wrong twice. But I correct myself when you point it out, so thank you again. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Joe on Sep 14, 05:39 AM 2019
...and certainly not by cause and effect.
Perhaps you’re finally on to something there :thumbsup:
Ordinal sample-
What is the 3rd thing?
Cardinal sample â€"
Create a set or classification, what are 2 things..?
Now what?
:ooh:
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 15, 05:22 PM 2019
Ordinal sample-
What is the 3rd thing?
Cardinal sample â€"
Create a set or classification, what are 2 things..?
Now what?
There can't be a 3rd apple unless there are at least 3 apples.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 12, 01:35 AM 2019
Not exactly. We look at data collectively - we look well beyond one spin. We look at statistics. We look at statistical relevance - ie is an event happening outside what would be expected if results were random?
An AP player looks at far more data than typical system players. That's why we're always saying "test more spins", and system players respond with "but we'll never play that many spins".
One example: statistics does not guarantee a wheel is biased, or that something is legit. Simply the more data you have, the more sure you can be.
APs do understand system players. The problem is system players are wrong. Need proof? Never once have I ever known a system player, on this on any other forum, to give one valid point about "statistics" that can be exploited. There's plenty of talk like "there must be repeats", which is as useful as saying "eventually every number will spin".
Nobody is saying you cant win with a system. Like nobody is saying you can't win with random bets. A legitimate advantage is something very different.
Hi Steve, I have a question for you about what you mean by testing 1 MILLION spins against a system to prove a system can work.
1. Are you expecting the system to play every or MAJORITY of spins with a BET to prove the approach can work?
2. What if a system looked at a series of spins and concluded that the best approach for the system was NOT to bet the following spins based on those past spins? Would this system meet your expectations? Or would you say its unplayable and so is not a VALID system?
3. What if a system looked at 1 MILLION spins and determined that only 10% of the spins were playable to make a profit assuming one could sit through that many spins in their lifetime? Would the system still be valid?
Regards,
Ricky
Your questions are mostly answered at :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
1. Spins not played cannot be counted because odds don't count when you dont bet. Why would they?
2. If the trigger worked, then odds would change when you do bet. Compare the odds from random bets and triggered bets.
3. As above.
Its very simple to test systems but most people have no idea how.