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Title: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 25, 09:15 PM 2018
Is this a winning system?
I am not telling what it is, I just want people to look at results.

Higher highs and higher lows along the simulator.
300k+ spins, 70k units

Unfortunately no way to see the graph after that many spins.

How many spins does it take to prove a system works?


Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 25, 10:08 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 25, 09:15 PM 2018
Is this a winning system?


No way to answer that without knowing what it is

-We cannot tell you if it is playable in a casino.
- we don’t know how realistic it is

For all we know this graph could be a martingale

So no one can say whether it’s a winner or not without knowing what it is.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 25, 10:42 PM 2018
It is actually quite simple.
Not a martingale.
Easy.
Playable if table allows 74u bets on a number.

Just a first impression, please, from looking at the totals.

I'll let run until tomorrow morning, hoping to be at 600k spins.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 01:47 AM 2018
The question is, What did you do (bet)?
How did you bet?
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 06:37 AM 2018
Somehow it stopped at 474k spins.

So: end of simulation at +/-500k spins
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: ayk on Mar 26, 07:57 AM 2018
Well, that's a middle finger to the house edge if you're flatbetting.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 08:06 AM 2018
Here.

Simple.

Choose a nr.  Put 1u on it, +1 every spin until a hit.  Restart after win or if 74 spins failed.  This is why I call it ''Stubborn''.

Also, attached, a graph showing profit if hit at xx spin.  A normal distribution where a nr hits every 37 spins brings maximal reward, +630u.
  Of course, this does not happen.  A nr will not hit within 74 spins ( 2 cycles) around 5 times every 37.  It seems though winnings are higher than losses, long term.

br: 2775 (1+2+3+4+5+6,+...,+74)

A software would run millions of spins quicker than R-sim.  Anyone?
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 08:09 AM 2018
Quote from: ayk on Mar 26, 07:57 AM 2018
Well, that's a middle finger to the house edge if you're flatbetting.  :thumbsup:

I wish it was flatbetting...
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: ZERO on Mar 26, 08:15 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 08:09 AM 2018
I wish it was flatbetting...

At least the bottom chip in the stack of 74 is lying FLAT on the table...  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 08:42 AM 2018
Great approach. Sadly this won't ever work in a real casino, or you need to bring your bed with you.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 08:49 AM 2018
Probably true. 
I wanted to see if the idea is sustainable.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: ZERO on Mar 26, 09:06 AM 2018
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 08:42 AM 2018
Great approach. Sadly this won't ever work in a real casino, or you need to bring your bed with you.

Hey BIG, to speed things up you might as well play all the numbers together and remove the ones that hit. In effect you are playing all the numbers together but each number individually. Works quite well but there are always a sleeper or 2 that ruins your balance...
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 12:27 PM 2018
Quote from: ZERO on Mar 26, 09:06 AM 2018
Hey BIG, to speed things up you might as well play all the numbers together and remove the ones that hit. In effect you are playing all the numbers together but each number individually. Works quite well but there are always a sleeper or 2 that ruins your balance...
It would work, but it will need a very Large bankroll and huge bets Will be played at some Point, but it can work.
I tested it earier and doubled my bankroll in rs with 3000 units.
But i didn't quit when i was i'm profit i Just kept goin' until i doubled my bank.
#1 come, place 1 unit on it. Spin 2, #7 Comes now we place 2 units on 1 and 1 on 7. Continue this way until you get a hit. We then remove that number but we will Keep the betts on All others and continue until in profit, then restart.
Or do this same thing, but now only with repeaters, less attack on your bankroll.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 01:20 PM 2018
I'd say: restart at 1u when a nr hits, instead of removing it.
Sort of creating waves rolling.

I am not saying it'll work, probably not, but maybe worth a try.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 02:05 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 01:20 PM 2018
I'd say: restart at 1u when a nr hits, instead of removing it.
Sort of creating waves rolling.

I am not saying it'll work, probably not, but maybe worth a try.
Ok that's what we will work on from now on. Bet every number on it's own. #1 1 unit #2 1 unit and 2 on #1 etc. We do this until a hit, when we have a hit we start that number on 1 unit again but remain the rest bets on other numbers until in profit and then restart.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 02:40 PM 2018
Just did a 100 spin session and these are the results.
Played every number that came in from spin 1 and placed a +1 unit on every number that is bet every spin.
Until i got a hit, then i reduced the bet on the hitted number to 1 unit, but kept all the previous bets on all betting numbers and raised all by +1 unit. so always +1 every spin.
Everytime i got at a new high, i was deleting all bets and begin again with the last number hit.

Biggest drawdown this session was:  -274 units.
Balance after 100 spins: +1080 units Profit.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 03:02 PM 2018
Here's another 101 spin session. was a little tougher one, but it came around and how.

Biggest drawdown this session was: -592 units.
Balance after 101 spins: +1482 units profit.

a nice result i would say.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 03:05 PM 2018
If i had played this in a BM casino i would have walked out at the end of the day with â,¬2562,-
How was your day at work honey? oh nothing special, earned 2500 euro, but nothing else of importants!  :wink:
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 03:52 PM 2018
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 03:05 PM 2018
How was your day at work honey?

Almost replied:

Hey Honey how selfish not asking me how was my day!
I made sure I'd waste your money quicker than you earned it!
*****

I did not cuz things went back up, nevertheless, I don't like the way this behaved.
I'll drop this system right away.  Was almost down 2000 before things got better.  And it was luck.  Got repeaters at low units that would not cover all other bets.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 03:55 PM 2018
If I was to play this way, I'd stay with one number.

Odds of not hitting the chosen nr after 74 spins: 5/37, average.
Odds of a nr not becoming a repeater in 74 spins: 10/32.

So I'd choose one nr, Stubbornly bet on it until hit or 74 spins.

Still, I ran another 100k spins with Rs and was down 50k units.

Doubts...
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: jekhb76 on Mar 26, 06:22 PM 2018
Played the same System but now with repeaters only. Biggest drawdown was -2754 units and ended up + 543.
But that drawdown is way to big for actual play. Trashcan.
Title: Re: Stubborn Better
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 26, 06:51 PM 2018
Agree