I'm opening this thread to players who appreciate this strategy.
Let's discuss new ideas on how we can improve the strategy.
You can use the strategy to play Baccarat or Roulette but it works better with Baccarat (less variance and Tie).
Here are the rules:
1. Start tracking a shoe.
2. If we see one of the following patterns we start betting AGAINST the pattern continuing
PBB PBB PB Bet PBP
BPP BPP BP Bet BPB
3. Progression is a personal choice:
1-2-3
1-2-4
1-2-2
1-1-3
4. Do not IGNORE tie results as this affects sequence of results. Treat it as another unmatched pattern.
PS: You can cover the Tie to avoid previous losses.
5. Stop tracking at the end of the shoe and reset.
NEVER bet when is the end of the shoe. Look for another table.
6. Try tracking at least 3 tables at the same time. I track 6 tables.
Ex:
B P B P B P
B P P
B
B
B
We have above BPP BPP BP
P B P B P B
P B B
P
P
P
We have above PBB PBB PB
Both qualify
P B P B P B P
P P
We have above BPP BPP BP
B P B P B P B
B B
We have above PBB PBB PB
Both qualify
If you don't like the strategy please don't post here.
If you like it, give constructive suggestions.
So let's rock!
I don't want to let you down, but didn't you learn from your last experience that this kind of play is a LOSER?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 07, 03:47 PM 2018
I don't want to let you down, but didn't you learn from your last experience that this kind of play is a LOSER?
Yes it's loser. Around 400 wins and 2 losses.
Please read above. Don't post here if you don't like it. Thanks.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 07, 03:47 PM 2018
I don't want to let you down, but didn't you learn from your last experience that this kind of play is a LOSER?
Come on give this newbie a chance 🙃
Hey Andre, there's got to be a starting point, like a dealer change or three consecutive EC's
(it doesn't have to be these I mentioned)
Perhaps a specific time of day
(example: Sentinel3 starts at 3am each day)
Play this 4steps flat bet 1/1/1/1 with baccarat. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 07, 04:13 PM 2018
Hey Andre, there's got to be a starting point, like a dealer change or three consecutive EC's
(it doesn't have to be these I mentioned)
Perhaps a specific time of day
(example: Sentinel3 starts at 3am each day)
Thanks but I think it's fallacy. If you play after 1 hour or after 1 day there is no difference. The wheel and the shoe has no memory.
The strategy that I posted you have to play 5/6 games a day because it can be a long wait. That's it.
Quote from: cht on Apr 07, 04:15 PM 2018
Play this 4steps flat bet 1/1/1/1 with baccarat. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the suggestion
The strategy is POWERFUL If you play by the rules.
There's no needs to wait to change the shoe or play again after some hours... It's fallacy.
It needs a lot of paciente and bankroll.
And you can adapt your way of play and use different progressions.
We are betting against a rare pattern to form for 4 times. It's a rare event.
BPP BPP BP
PBB PBB PB
"For example I played two games today.
Just two games on two different wheels.
It will be 18 hours before I play again.
I fell out of the cycle for 18 hours."
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I don't want detract anyone but it is a big fat fallacy!
You can play after 20 minutes or after 1 hour or after 24h. There's no difference.
The wheel/shoe has no memory.
Today
3 games played 3 games won.
Progression 45, 90, 90. I didn't need using the 3th step.
Profit $135
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 07, 08:22 PM 2018
hi, andree a pleasure.
This type of system that you use for baccarat, a long time ago for an Argentinian man and the system called it, or PHP or something like that for the style.
I do not know how it works in baccarat, but in roulette it does not work so well, I'm trying it, the only difference is that you have it with PPB PPB PP ... and with BBP BBP BB ... because only this pattern? ? the person who played it in roulette did it with the name of 3 similar sequence looking for the different room, but used either PPB or BBP or PBP or BPB or BBB or PPP ...
because you only look at that double and one ??
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, greetings
PS: And the roulette theme already ?? He does not like it anymore? I really like Roulette a lot, jejeej. If you can give me a tour around here, you would be very grateful.
For roulette which has more sustained trend, play
RBB RBB RBB RBB-------- bet 3steps 1/1/2 against
RBBHLL HLL HLL HLL-------- bet 3 steps 1/1/2 against
HLLOEE OEE OEE OEE-------- bet 3 steps 1/1/2 against
OEE
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 05:05 PM 2018
"For example I played two games today.
Just two games on two different wheels.
It will be 18 hours before I play again.
I fell out of the cycle for 18 hours."
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I don't want detract anyone but it is a big fat fallacy!
You can play after 20 minutes or after 1 hour or after 24h. There's no difference.
Or 1st game of the day.
The wheel/shoe has no memory.
Yup that's not an opinion. It's math.
Just want to draw caution to this setup
B P B P B P
B P P
B
B
T
I observed something strange
We probably play this pattern in the same online casino and watch the same tables.
You can see there the kind of money for a given bet.
I noticed that when pattern occurs on the table there are large stakes.
It means . a lot of people play this patern
But yesterday I had a lost session and each time, after a given hand picture of hand was changed, as if the casino played against this patern, changing the hand against it.
Maybe they lose money against the pattern and start cheating.
Quote from: ozon on Apr 08, 02:39 AM 2018
Maybe they lose money against the pattern and start cheating.
The decks can be pre-arranged against the pattern.
Better to play in b&m manual tables with partners.
Or just create your own groups of numbers (ECs or whatever.....) and they have no idea what do you play.
Can do it with lines, streets, splits.....can be fixed groups ( like lines 1,3,5 group A and lines 2,4,6 group B) or dynamic groups you create in that moment and put them into the pattern you wish.
Quote from: cht on Apr 08, 12:38 AM 2018
Just want to draw caution to this setup
B P B P B P
B P P
B
B
T
We have to treat it as an unmatched pattern.
Quote from: cht on Apr 08, 02:55 AM 2018
The decks can be pre-arranged against the pattern.
Better to play in b&m manual tables with partners.
There's no way the decks can be pre-arranged against the pattern.
The cards are shuffled live.
I think it's possible cheating on roulette but not baccarat.
Quote from: ozon on Apr 08, 02:39 AM 2018
Maybe they lose money against the pattern and start cheating.
There's no way the decks can be pre-arranged against the pattern.
The cards are shuffled live.
I think it's possible cheating on roulette but not baccarat.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 08, 05:57 AM 2018
There's no way the decks can be pre-arranged against the pattern.
The cards are shuffled live.
I think it's possible cheating on roulette but not baccarat.
Hi Andre,
Great start to what will be a good discussion on this method. As you pointed out this method can lose but it also can win big if you have the right mentality and as always those two words starting with D and P. I won't mentioned them in case I get caught using them excessively. ;D
Just to show you the potential here is a winning setup captured over the weekend. I called it out before the Banker hit but unfortunately had no moola on it.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/04/08/temp_343622.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/stJyt)
This pattern does appear more often than you think. But with this casino the cards come pre shuffled so I am always way of the patterns generated. As Andre said the preference would be for a hand shuffled game. But the machine shuffled one can win also as the shuffle is done befored the game starts. If any foul play is going on the casino does not know you are waiting for this pattern unless you are playing it constantly on a machine which can track betting patterns
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 04:37 PM 2018
Thanks for the suggestion
My experience so far sees this pattern forming many times from 1 to 2 repeats but as the repeats increase the appear less often and thus if played strictly as described can be a long wait. The problem is that if you start using long progressions you will in evitably get caught in this rare occasions where it repeats 4, 5 or even 6 or more times. So the key to the success of this method will have to be in the betting progression used as with all methods.
I did describe in the PATTERN BREAKER thread a strategy for flat betting at the beginning of each repeat. Eg after 3 complete repeats BPP BPP BPP you start betting AGAINST B hitting for a fourth time. BUT you do not continue eith the next 2 bets in case it completes.
Optionally you do just a 1-2 at the start of each repeat. Eg after the above pattern complete you bet PB with 1-2
If it loses treat it as a loss but if the 4th repeat completes you either do another 1-2 against the 5th repeat etc
If you want you could incorporate a recovery but i think it is not needed and as the pattern continues it is more of a rare event
In all cases cover the tie after the first bet. It saved me many times
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 04:37 PM 2018
Thanks for the suggestion
My experience so far sees this pattern forming many times from 1 to 2 repeats but as the repeats increase the appear less often and thus if played strictly as described can be a long wait. The problem is that if you start using long progressions you will in evitably get caught in this rare occasions where it repeats 4, 5 or even 6 or more times. So the key to the success of this method will have to be in the betting progression used as with all methods.
I did describe in the PATTERN BREAKER thread a strategy for flat betting at the beginning of each repeat. Eg after 3 complete repeats BPP BPP BPP you start betting AGAINST B hitting for a fourth time. BUT you do not continue eith the next 2 bets in case it completes.
Optionally you do just a 1-2 at the start of each repeat. Eg after the above pattern complete you bet PB with 1-2
If it loses treat it as a loss but if the 4th repeat completes you either do another 1-2 against the 5th repeat etc
If you want you could incorporate a recovery but i think it is not needed and as the pattern continues it is more of a rare event
In all cases cover the tie after the first bet. It saved me many times
About online live dealer baccarat, I played with Betfair, Ladbrokes, 365, Dublinbet...... many years ago when they had a TV at the corner of the screen in those days.
I've thousands of shoes in my collection from many years.
You may win some, then the losing shoes will come.
That's my experience about playing online for years.
Closed all my accounts years ago except Dublinbet and another for testing purpose only.
I strongly recommend to play at b&m casino only.
You can win tens of thousands cash basis a day without question.
No threat of ban at all. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 08, 07:19 AM 2018
My experience so far sees this pattern forming many times from 1 to 2 repeats but as the repeats increase the appear less often and thus if played strictly as described can be a long wait. The problem is that if you start using long progressions you will in evitably get caught in this rare occasions where it repeats 4, 5 or even 6 or more times. So the key to the success of this method will have to be in the betting progression used as with all methods.
I did describe in the PATTERN BREAKER thread a strategy for flat betting at the beginning of each repeat. Eg after 3 complete repeats BPP BPP BPP you start betting AGAINST B hitting for a fourth time. BUT you do not continue eith the next 2 bets in case it completes.
Optionally you do just a 1-2 at the start of each repeat. Eg after the above pattern complete you bet PB with 1-2
If it loses treat it as a loss but if the 4th repeat completes you either do another 1-2 against the 5th repeat etc
If you want you could incorporate a recovery but i think it is not needed and as the pattern continues it is more of a rare event
In all cases cover the tie after the first bet. It saved me many times
Hey up Ricky
The player can use long progressions and win for days or weeks but there will come a day that you will be caught by a long bad run. And as long as the progression is, the player will lose all his bankroll. Long progression is suicide.
Actually I'm using 1, 2, 2 or 1 ,2 progression.
An event I noticed is that the pattern will rarely form twice in the same shoe.
Do you think online casinos cheat CHT? Maybe the only game you can trust is when people playing by the table?
Quote from: boyd30 on Apr 08, 02:55 PM 2018
Do you think online casinos cheat CHT? Maybe the only game you can trust is when people playing by the table?
From my long playing experience with many online casinos, I have no doubt it my mind they cheat. I can't prove it though.
It's a totally different experience playing at manual baccarat tables b&m casino. You get to see $500 to $10000 chip stacks per bet, whales with their $100k chip containers.
Yes the pitboss will disrupt the game sometimes especially when the crowd is winning big like slowing it down changing dealers or counting chips. But no one doubt the shoe at all.
I can only tell you my experience. But if you have no access to nearby b&m casino, then you have no choice. If you have never been to a b&m casino, especially those big properties with plenty tables I encourage you to make the trip there - opens your playing experience with the real thing.
If you collect thousands of shoes from b&m casino compare it with online casino, you will see the difference.
The way I describe it is online shoes look like rng. There's this unmistaken characteric of reversion to the mean thing. You will only recognise this difference if you see large numbers of shoes from both sources.
Also with online casino you have only the most 6-7 tables. Large b&m casinos have 100+ tables to play at.
Imagine if you were to test a setup you just have to walk the entire property for 100shoes data. Repeat that walk every 11/2 hour for 100shoes data. If you stay at the property you can do that a couple of times.
I have my doubts on on-line casinos. RNG is a big no. But I play sometimes on live wheel there. It can be the system itself, but it goes good in the beginning but after a while not. I've noticed other strange things too. I can go to a b&m casino, but haven't been there for a while. I will look into it.
Quote from: boyd30 on Apr 08, 04:14 PM 2018
I have my doubts on on-line casinos. RNG is a big no. But I play sometimes on live wheel there. It can be the system itself, but it goes good in the beginning but after a while not. I've noticed other strange things too. I can go to a b&m casino, but haven't been there for a while. I will look into it.
Keep your eyes on the dealers hand.
Theres a lot of YouTube videos
link:s://youtu.be/NN5a0-WBOxc
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 08, 02:50 PM 2018
An event I noticed is that the pattern will rarely form twice in the same shoe.
Hi Andre,
coincidently, take a closer look at the image I showed at taken at the B&M casino I was at the other day. $200 minimum table. The trigger 8 hand pattern actually appeared twice. But it failed to complete to the 4th on both occasions. So if you were playing on that shoe from the start you would have won twice.
The good thing about this B&M casino is it has large screen displays of the history for some of the large min bet tables 200-300 minimums. So at a glance you can see the history of these tables. When you find the pattern you are looking for you can go to that table and place a bet.
Eventually, I am going to use this method on these tables but will need at least $5000 bankroll to be able to support the 200-200-600 progression plus the 50-80 on Tie
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 08, 08:24 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
coincidently, take a closer look at the image I showed at taken at the B&M casino I was at the other day. $200 minimum table. The trigger 8 hand pattern actually appeared twice. But it failed to complete to the 4th on both occasions. So if you were playing on that shoe from the start you would have won twice.
The good thing about this B&M casino is it has large screen displays of the history for some of the large min bet tables 200-300 minimums. So at a glance you can see the history of these tables. When you find the pattern you are looking for you can go to that table and place a bet.
Eventually, I am going to use this method on these tables but will need at least $5000 bankroll to be able to support the 200-200-600 progression plus the 50-80 on Tie
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky
The trigger 8 hand pattern appear twice happens constantly. But I never see to complete to the 4th twice.
Let me tell you why I opened this new thread...
Pattern Breaker you play based on luck and use a 3 step progression.
Pattern Attack you play based on statistics and uses a 3 step progression. Statistics show that a pattern forming 4 times in a row is a rare event and we can take advantage from it.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 08, 10:15 PM 2018
Let me tell you why I opened this new thread...
Pattern Breaker you play based on luck and use a 3 step progression.
Pattern Attack you play based on statistics and uses a 3 step progression. Statistics show that a pattern forming 4 times in a row is a rare event and we can take advantage from it.
I agree with Andre when Pattern Attack is played with baccarat.
The test shows the net positive result.
That's why I asked if anyone can provide their evidence to disprove this.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 08, 10:15 PM 2018
Let me tell you why I opened this new thread...
Pattern Breaker you play based on luck and use a 3 step progression.
Pattern Attack you play based on statistics and uses a 3 step progression. Statistics show that a pattern forming 4 times in a row is a rare event and we can take advantage from it.
Hi Andre,
we just need to be careful in making these assumptions as your own experience shows this rare event can popup at any time and you do not want to be there unprepared when it happens
Let's ensure we keep stats on our wins/losses over 100 game sets so we can get some real time statistical knowledge on expected frequency of wins/losses. At the end of the day there is some level of luck even in this method.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 09, 01:27 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
we just need to be careful in making these assumptions as your own experience shows this rare event can popup at any time and you do not want to be there unprepared when it happens
Let's ensure we keep stats on our wins/losses over 100 game sets so we can get some real time statistical knowledge on expected frequency of wins/losses. At the end of the day there is some level of luck even in this method.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
I'm not making assumptions
You're right, this rare event can pop up at any time and we have to be prepared when it happens.
But I'm using this strategy for over 3 months and rarely I've seen the patterns forming for 4 times in a row.
I had only 2, losses using a 4 step progression 1-1-3-6.
I had a big loss because I was greedy.
Many players here will not believe it but I'm over 400 games won and I had only 2 "real" loss. I had other losses because I didn't cover tie.
I play 5 - 7 games a day, avarage 180 a month.
CHT has already provided us with statistics. For every 100 shoes the pattern is formed for 4 times in a row only 1 or 2 times. What I'm trying to say is that the strategy wins a lot more than it loses because it's based on statistics. It's obvious we have to have some luck too.
And we have to have a lot of patience waiting fir the trigger.
How many times did you see the patterns forming for 4 times in a row?
What's your results?
PS: I stopped using the 4 step progression. I don't want get a heart attack....lol
I'm using now 1-2-2 or 1-2-3
Now if I lose I get the loss and play recovery mode.
Well, I have no reason to lie. I'm a simple guy with no psychological problems... lol and I have better things to do than cheat people. I think the player should try to use the strategy for himself, see the results and take his own conclusions. I opened this thread just for new ideas to improve the strategy.
Ricky
I had an idea while waiting for the trigger.
One of the trigger is :
BPP BPP BP Let's assume that my progression is 30-60-90
But while I'm waiting for the trigger I can bet a small amount before the trigger appears.
Ex:
BPP BPP - you start betting a small amount using 2 steps progression. For example 5-10.
If you win before the trigger to form you reset the game and start tracking again.
If you lose the 2 step progression is because the trigger appeared. So start betting batting against it. ( the original Pattern Attack strategy) using the original progression 30-60-90
PATTERN ATTACK ® - Aggressive Mode
You can use the strategy to play Baccarat or Roulette but it works better with Baccarat (less variance and Tie).
Here are the rules:
1. Start tracking a shoe.
2. If we see one of the following patterns we start betting AGAINST the pattern.
PBB Bet BPP
BPP Bet PBB
3. Progression is a personal choice:
1-2-3
1-2-4
1-2-2
1-1-3
4. Do not IGNORE tie results as this affects sequence of results. Treat it as another unmatched pattern.
PS: You can cover the Tie to avoid previous losses.
5. Stop tracking at the end of the shoe and reset.
NEVER bet when is the end of the shoe. Look for another table.
6. Try tracking at least 2 tables at the same time.
Ex:
B P
B P
B
B
We have above BPP
P B
P B
P
P
We have above PBB
Both qualify
P B P
P
We have above BPP
B P B
B
We have above PBB
Both qualify
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 09, 09:16 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
What's your results?
Hi Ricky
Post your results here when you feel comfortable.
Cheers
Well, I see this thread died.
Nobody wants to help with new ideas... I'm just wasting my time here.
Good luck to all
All threads die eventually...
That's life!
Hey Andre :)
Systems have to evolve.
*Less time for tracking (no tracking would be ideal)
*flat-betting, if not a very small progression
*BETTER ACCURACY (as close to 100% as humanly possible)
*Smaller bankroll needed to make a profit
think about it :d
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 10, 10:20 PM 2018
Hey Andre :)
Systems have to evolve.
*Less time for tracking (no tracking would be ideal)
*flat-betting, if not a very small progression
*BETTER ACCURACY (as close to 100% as humanly possible)
*Smaller bankroll needed to make a profit
*reduce the LLLL occurrence
think about it :d
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 10, 10:20 PM 2018
Hey Andre :)
Systems have to evolve.
*Less time for tracking (no tracking would be ideal)
You're right, if you don't have enough time for tracking don't play this system
*flat-betting, if not a very small progression
The system uses a small progression. Personal choice:
1-2-4
0-1-2
1-2-2
1-2-0
*BETTER ACCURACY (as close to 100% as humanly possible)
The pattern forming 4 times in a row happens 1-2 times each 100 shoes.
*Smaller bankroll needed to make a profit
The bankroll depends on how much the player wants to bet.
think about it :d
Today 4 games played
4 wins
progression 30, 60
Profit $120
Over 3 hours playing (tracking)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 11, 03:13 AM 2018
Today 4 games played
4 wins
progression 30, 60
Profit $120
Over 3 hours playing (tracking)
Hi Andre,
I'm still playing this system. Currently 44-2 in my 100 game set. Total profit 371 euro
Using 1-2-3 progression can covering Tie on 2nd and 3rd bet. Once I went to 4 steps but ended with small loss. Never do that again. Patience to wait for trigger is needed and be prepared to stop after 3rd step.
Cheers,
Ricky
Here's an interesting EC game I was not familiar with before.
If you like Baccarat you might like DRAGON-TIGER game...
Live Dealer Online.
It's QUICK - could be very useful.
2 cards are dealt one to Dragon; one to Tiger. Both are 1/1 even money returns.
Easy and Simple: The Highest card value wins!
ACE is counted as LOW.
You can also bet on TIE (11/1) or SUITED TIE (50/1)
If its a TIE you lose half your stake on Dragon or Tiger bets.
In UK, Virgin Games Live Casino have it and minimum bet is £1. GP
You get stats and the results are displayed in baccarat style fashion (different roads)
Bet limits £1-2000
Could PB Sentinel or PB Andre be played on this??????
Regards,
A.
Some more info from their site:
Quote
The Dragon Card and Tiger Card are head to head in this exciting Live Casino card game.
Bet on which hand gets the higher card or bet on a tie for added excitement and higher payouts.
If you like Baccarat, you'll love this.
Introduction
=========
Dragon Tiger is a simple fast paced game in which the Dragon card competes directly against the Tiger Card.
Gameplay
========
Two cards are dealt face up.
One to the Dragon and one to the Tiger, with the main bet being on which hand will get the higher card, or whether there will be a tie.
King is the Highest card.
Ace is the lowest card.
Key Features
===========
Simple, fast-paced game in which the Dragon card competes directly against the Tiger card.
Main Bet, plus optional Tie Bet and Suited Tie Bet.
Payouts of up to 50 to 1.
User interface includes Baccarat-like Statistics and Roads.
Payouts
=======
Main Bet - Dragon wins, or Tiger wins
pays 1:1
Tie Bet - wins if Dragon and Tiger cards are equal in rank, irrespective of suit.
Suited Tie Bet - wins if the Dragon and Tiger cards are equal in both rank and suit.
Pays 50:1
Return to Player
=============
The expected return to player is 96.27%.
The expected return is the amount we pay out to players relative to the amount of wagering on the game.
For example, if we take £100 of wagers we will, on average, pay out £96.27 of wins.
A.
Andre,
I'd like to contribute to this thread designing a prog that fits your method.
I need to know your stats for your 400(or more?):2
hitting at first attempt
second attempt
third
busted
IMO an efficient prog could be of great help
A
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 11, 03:34 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
I'm still playing this system. Currently 44-2 in my 100 game set. Total profit 371 euro
Using 1-2-3 progression can covering Tie on 2nd and 3rd bet. Once I went to 4 steps but ended with small loss. Never do that again. Patience to wait for trigger is needed and be prepared to stop after 3rd step.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
I'm happy the strategy is working for you.
Win loss ratio 44-2 is AMAZING!! That's prove the strategy works if we have PACIENTE waiting for the triggers and DISCIPLINE to not go to 4th step of the progression.
You're using only this progression (1-2-3) or are you using others progressions?
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 11, 05:42 AM 2018
Here's an interesting EC game I was not familiar with before.
If you like Baccarat you might like DRAGON-TIGER game...
Live Dealer Online.
It's QUICK - could be very useful.
2 cards are dealt one to Dragon; one to Tiger. Both are 1/1 even money returns.
Easy and Simple: The Highest card value wins!
ACE is counted as LOW.
You can also bet on TIE (11/1) or SUITED TIE (50/1)
If its a TIE you lose half your stake on Dragon or Tiger bets.
In UK, Virgin Games Live Casino have it and minimum bet is £1. GP
You get stats and the results are displayed in baccarat style fashion (different roads)
Bet limits £1-2000
Could PB Sentinel or PB Andre be played on this??????
Regards,
A.
Hi Atlantis,
At the casino where I play there's the Dragon Table.
I don't like it and I never play it. I think the variance is different of the others tables.
Cheers
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 11, 06:00 AM 2018
Andre,
I'd like to contribute to this thread designing a prog that fits your method.
I need to know your stats for your 400(or more?):2
hitting at first attempt
second attempt
third
busted
IMO an efficient prog could be of great help
A
Hi andrebac
A prog for this strategy would be great! The problem is that I dont record my stats of wins and losses.
I'll start doing it today. The only thing I know is that I have over 400 wins a lot of break even because the progression that I was using ( 1-1-3-6) and 2 "real" loss. I've playing in avarage 5-7 games a day 150 a month for over 3 months.
I think Rick can provide you the results and statistics. I'll start to record my stats today.
Cheers
Quote from: cht on Apr 11, 08:46 PM 2018
I have asked on Andre's thread for anyone to show evidence, example play 1000++ games with live baccarat shoes that prove his system is a loser. If your proof is just some math formula, that's not the proof I look for, I can do the math.
My purpose is IF no one can produce this evidence, it is proof that systems play can win at gambling games.
I wait for this 1000++ games played with live baccarat shoes to prove Andre Chass Pattern Attack is a loser.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20164.msg196396;topicseen#msg196396
I'll pay $ 1000 to anyone who proves my system is a loser.
Win first step :thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 11, 01:00 PM 2018Andre,
I'd like to contribute to this thread designing a prog that fits your method.
I need to know your stats for your 400(or more?):2
hitting at first attempt
second attempt
third
busted
IMO an efficient prog could be of great help
A
Ricky,
could you provide me the stats I need to build a decent prog?
in case my eml is
free.italians@gmail.com
Ricky, c'mon
Where are youuuuuu?
Win step 2 :thumbsup:
Win step 1 :thumbsup:
Win step 2 :D
Hey Andre I see you are no longer on the 'watched' list :thumbsup:
(I guess it helps to be winning) :)
Win step 3 >:D
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 12, 06:25 PM 2018
Ricky, c'mon
Where are youuuuuu?
Hi Andre,
been winning using your method. Currently 44-2. Just reached 400 euro profiit. About to increase base unit to 40 euro
This method is proving hard to lose
thanks for sharing.
I have been winning small amounts by betting against the pattern earlier.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 13, 12:44 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
been winning using your method. Currently 44-2. Just reached 400 euro profiit. About to increase base unit to 40 euro
This method is proving hard to lose
thanks for sharing.
I have been winning small amounts by betting against the pattern earlier.
Cheers,
Ricky
Congrats ricky !
Pattern Attack is a genuine winner.
It requires patience and discipline where the signals are few and far between. Ok to play with 4 or more simultaneous shoes.
Keep winning guys, good luck. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 12:51 AM 2018
Congrats ricky !
Pattern Attack is a genuine winner.
It requires patience and discipline where the signals are few and far between. Ok to play with 4 or more simultaneous shoes.
Keep winning guys, good luck. :thumbsup:
Correction 45-2,
yes patterns take long time to form and as you can see since my last post only bet one more time. Must admit been a bit busy with work so have not been online that much. But as I said I have been resorting to betting small 2-5 euro base bets after the pattern starts to form from the 5-8 hand. With my betting luck I often lose these bets because that's the bad luck I have when I don't have the patience to wait. The 8 pattern typically completes when I have started betting earlier. Lost quite a bit of euro with the lack of patience. But during these times I usually up my bets to overcome the loss and end up with a small profit as the pattern fails to form past 8 or 9 hands.
Cheers,
Ricky
I want to share one particular formation that has resulted in loss more of the time that I ignore the signal.
P B P B P B P B P
P P P
When there are equal or more than 3 singles(BPB) after the intial PP stack with no tie in the entire sequence. Be careful with this formation.
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 12, 02:50 AM 2018
Ricky,
could you provide me the stats I need to build a decent prog?
in case my eml is
free.italians@gmail.com
Here is my latest stats
Reality check.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 13, 01:19 AM 2018
Here is my latest stats
thank you, I already worked on this stuff.
it's pretty easy, apart the last section, since attack number 41.
here I need 10/20 more attacks as the progs tested are not closed at this point.
you will notice that on these attacks you never got it at the first attempt.
I wait for more data, when availables.
A
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 03:38 AM 2018
Reality check.
So you never want to lose? Let me suggest a simple strategy: Do not play!
Reality check! :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 12:51 AM 2018
Congrats ricky !
Pattern Attack is a genuine winner.
It requires patience and discipline where the signals are few and far between. Ok to play with 4 or more simultaneous shoes.
Keep winning guys, good luck. :thumbsup:
Kidding aside, winning is winning :d Congratulations Andre 8)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 13, 09:14 AM 2018
Kidding aside, winning is winning :d Congratulations Andre 8)
The signals are few and far between.
The losses are rarer still at 1-2 for every 100 shoes.
To get 2 losses to appear simultaneously has to be extremely rare.
To appear before me who hardly log on to my online account except for testing purpose is .........
Posting rare losses pics will benefit more because we might learn if there are certain formations that are more inclined to lose.
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 13, 06:13 AM 2018
thank you, I already worked on this stuff.
it's pretty easy, apart the last section, since attack number 41.
here I need 10/20 more attacks as the progs tested are not closed at this point.
you will notice that on these attacks you never got it at the first attempt.
I wait for more data, when availables.
A
Hi andrebac
In 4 days of daily(14hrs) data from the b&m casino with 100+ tables, the result is as follows -
W1 - 48
W2 - 18
W3 - 11
W4 - 4
L4 - 1
There were 2 L4 which has the formation I posted earlier. The data from history shoes showed more losses than wins. The wins and losses which is net negative as expected are excluded from the above figures.
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 01:05 AM 2018
I want to share one particular formation that has resulted in loss more of the time that I ignore the signal.
P B P B P B P B P
P P P
When there are equal or more than 3 singles(BPB) after the intial PP stack with no tie in the entire sequence. Be careful with this formation.
Hi cht
If this seems to consistently lose for you then I would suggest waiting longer for the 3rd repeat and maybe the start of the 4th repeat before starting to bet
I personally have not been caught by this setup
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 01:05 AM 2018
I want to share one particular formation that has resulted in loss more of the time that I ignore the signal.
P B P B P B P B P
P P P
When there are equal or more than 3 singles(BPB) after the intial PP stack with no tie in the entire sequence. Be careful with this formation.
Thanks for the advice, CHT
But I never had any problem with this formation.
I'll be watching it.
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 09:45 AM 2018
To get 2 losses to appear simultaneously has to be extremely rare.
Posting rare losses pics will benefit more because we might learn if there are certain formations that are more inclined to lose.
You right
And get 2 losses on the SAME shoe is extremely rare.
Each shoe has its own limitation.
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 10:17 AM 2018
Hi andrebac
In 4 days of daily(14hrs) data from the b&m casino with 100+ tables, the result is as follows -
W1 - 48
W2 - 18
W3 - 11
W4 - 4
L4 - 1
There were 2 L4 which has the formation I posted earlier. The data from history shoes showed more losses than wins. The wins and losses which is net negative as expected are excluded from the above figures.
I didn't understand...
Are you saying that the strategy provide more losses than wins?
The early post you said the strategy is a winner.
You have to decide what do you think about it...lol
You've been changing your mind all the time...lol
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 12:51 AM 2018
Pattern Attack is a genuine winner.
:ooh:
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 13, 12:39 PM 2018
Hi cht
If this seems to consistently lose for you then I would suggest waiting longer for the 3rd repeat and maybe the start of the 4th repeat before starting to bet
I personally have not been caught by this setup
Cheers
Ricky
I flat bet 4steps 1/1/1/1 risking 4 units. Starting at 4th repeat can be an option.
There are 2 variations to note when playing baccarat -
1. Normal commission baccarat where a 5% commission is deducted from the payout for banker win bets,
2. No-commission baccarat where the win for banker bet on the sum of exactly six has a payout of 50%. This is commonly known as super 6 baccarat that may or may not offer additional exotic bets.
The rules of the 2games is slightly different specifically related to whether to draw the 3rd card.
3. The burn card rule - this means at the start of every hand the 1st card is discarded(burn) before the hand is dealt.
Most casinos practice the no burn card rule giving a total of 70+ hands per 8 decks shoe. Some casinos apply the burn card rule giving a total of 60+ hands.
These differences in rules will affect the Pattern Attack result slightly. If I am not wrong the super 6 baccarat with burn card rule gives the best result.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 13, 06:14 PM 2018
I didn't understand...
Are you saying that the strategy provide more losses than wins?
The early post you said the strategy is a winner.
You have to decide what do you think about it...lol
You've been changing your mind all the time...lol
From the win/loss stats I posted shows Pattern Attack is a clear winner. I have always been consistent about it.
With a flat bet of 1/1/1/1 our team of regulars won in excess of $50k with each member pocketing $10+k playing Pattern Attack plus 2 other exotic patterns with Pattern Attack contributing a fifth of the profits. It was hard and tiring work though that requires rest before we start again this Monday.
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 10:17 AM 2018
Hi andrebac
In 4 days of daily(14hrs) data from the b&m casino with 100+ tables, the result is as follows -
W1 - 48
W2 - 18
W3 - 11
W4 - 4
L4 - 1
There were 2 L4 which has the formation I posted earlier. The data from history shoes showed more losses than wins. The wins and losses which is net negative as expected are excluded from the above figures.
your %s are similar to Ricky ones...
good!
when I will got more data I will share a good prog for this one!
A
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 14, 12:43 AM 201848
Hi
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 11:09 PM 2018
I flat bet 4steps 1/1/1/1 risking 4 units. Starting at 4th repeat can be an option.
There are 2 variations to note when playing baccarat -
1. Normal commission baccarat where a 5% commission is deducted from the payout for banker win bets,
2. No-commission baccarat where the win for banker bet on the sum of exactly six has a payout of 50%. This is commonly known as super 6 baccarat that may or may not offer additional exotic bets.
The rules of the 2games is slightly different specifically related to whether to draw the 3rd card.
3. The burn card rule - this means at the start of every hand the 1st card is discarded(burn) before the hand is dealt.
Most casinos practice the no burn card rule giving a total of 70+ hands per 8 decks shoe. Some casinos apply the burn card rule giving a total of 60+ hands.
These differences in rules will affect the Pattern Attack result slightly. If I am not wrong the super 6 baccarat with burn card rule gives the best result.
Hi cht,
from your results are you saying you are flatbetting 1/1/1/1 and coming out ahead? How do you record a Tie result? if this hits on 2-4 hand and you stop then this would add to losses of your previous flatbets
Assuming no tie in the result i can see that flat betting is a winner and avoids large risk for any 4 step losses wiping out previous long winning streak.
PS. just played another 2 games as soon as I jumped online today. Now 49-2 is record with 446 euro profit. still winning on 1st and 2nd steps
Went to B&M casino last night and not 1 8 hand trigger was formed. so all night I bet 5 euro base bets on the formation of 4-6 hands. Won another 80 euro in 4 hours. not bad with a 120 euro bankroll.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote1, You write the 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin Hi lo pattern down like this
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
Rather than writing down the list and crossing it off, this might be a better way at the casino. Write them down on 8 separate pieces of paper, one pattern each. Place the first one that hits on the table, and after that every one that hits place it above. The last one to hit will be the on top of the list and and after you play it, there will be no need to track. The one on the bottom of the list will always be the next one to bet against.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 14, 03:00 AM 2018
Hi Hi cht,
from your results are you saying you are flatbetting 1/1/1/1 and coming out ahead?
Yes, flat betting will win net +25 units. Our group won +16 units.
How do you record a Tie result?
We do not stop on a tie when betting.
if this hits on 2-4 hand and you stop then this would add to losses of your previous flatbets
Assuming no tie in the result i can see that flat betting is a winner and avoids large risk for any 4 step losses wiping out previous long winning streak.
Our bankroll is 12 units. We won 133% returns in 4 days.
The casino has an in-house rule of requiring the players id for wins above usd$2000 per hand. We had to limit our individual bets to stay below that limit.
PS. just played another 2 games as soon as I jumped online today. Now 49-2 is record with 446 euro profit. still winning on 1st and 2nd steps
Went to B&M casino last night and not 1 8 hand trigger was formed. so all night I bet 5 euro base bets on the formation of 4-6 hands. Won another 80 euro in 4 hours. not bad with a 120 euro bankroll.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Apr 14, 04:09 AM 2018
Hi cht
I like your method and it will work with this system as wins outweigh losses 44-1 with most wins coming in the 1st to 2nd steps
An option you could deploy to ensure you remain in profit when you lose 3 to 4 steps is to use a small progression to make up the loss. Say you win on step 3 you are down 1 unit. After several step 3 wins you will be down 3 or more units
You could then play one game with a 1-1.5-3-5 progression or even 1-2-2 progression until you recoup losses. But this would be determined by how much profit you have already accumulated. The point is to keep a positive growth of your bankroll without risking loss of profit
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 14, 04:40 AM 2018
Hi cht
I like your method and it will work with this system as wins outweigh losses 44-1 with most wins coming in the 1st to 2nd steps
An option you could deploy to ensure you remain in profit when you lose 3 to 4 steps is to use a small progression to make up the loss. Say you win on step 3 you are down 1 unit. After several step 3 wins you will be down 3 or more units
You could then play one game with a 1-1.5-3-5 progression or even 1-2-2 progression until you recoup losses. But this would be determined by how much profit you have already accumulated. The point is to keep a positive growth of your bankroll without risking loss of profit
Cheers
Ricky
Exactly, when you have a winning system play it consistently to grow your initial bankroll.
This way you will eventually collect house chips to play with zero risk, it becomes risk free gambling.
Our team played with house chips collected over time to win 600% playing PA and 2 other exotic patterns over 4 days. Tbh, this is the better outing others 200 - 300% returns is the norm. Sometimes lingering in 50% drawdown most of the day before recovery, it can be frustrating - you have to be prepared for bad days.
It took us a lot of research plus hard work to grind the results out.
Strange that Andre Chass Pattern Attack® do not receive the accolade of a wiining system.
Congrats Andre for your winning Pattern Attack®. Thank you for sharing it with us. :thumbsup:
Whereas the earlier JL Pattern Breaker received multiple times attention even when simulation test proved it's not a winning system.
I can't find another system that wins on flat bet - Post the link below if anyone has.
so now you can go and wack the casino and make milions... :xd: :xd: :xd:
Hello guys, I like to look at different things and test them and Baccarat is a challenge for me. I looked at this using my Baccarat simulator which shuffles and deals real cards. (no RNG.....after all, that stuff is rigged! :xd:)
So first 100 shoes using 8 decks and the BPP BPP BP combo came out only 23 times in 100 shoes.
Shoe 88 was a bit of a so and so!! From hand 38, it went BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BB
It's only my first look, so I will look into it more.
cheers
Quote from: cht on Apr 14, 06:07 AM 2018
Strange that Andre Chass Pattern Attack® do not receive the accolade of a wiining system.
Congrats Andre for your winning Pattern Attack®. Thank you for sharing it with us. :thumbsup:
Whereas the earlier JL Pattern Breaker received multiple times attention even when simulation test proved it's not a winning system.
I can't find another system that wins on flat bet - Post the link below if anyone has.
Hi cht
Let’s compare pattern attack with pattern breaker played on baccarat. As a baseline we have stated this before. Baccarat is the most even casino game you can play. The original version has no zero to lose e/c bets. In fact you get your money back on a tie. Ps watch out for a variant being introduced in some casinos called baccarat 2-1 where you actually lose your banker/player bets on a tie in exchange for higher returns on player/banker
Secondly. Random is set at the start of the shoe and every hand is predetermined at that point.
Thirdly, if you use a card tracking software you can determine what cards are remaining and eventually you get to a point where certain card combinations are eliminated. So if you have no combination to get to 9 for instance then you can use this information to determine your bets. It’s sort of like card counting in blackjack.
Now, let’s compare PA and PB.
Pattern breaker allows you to bet more often as the 7 patterns usually close within 2/3 of a shoe. It then becomes a factor of luck/chance whether the 8th will follow the 7th. So we need to determine if the random shuffle of a shoe is going to provide the same performance as a roulette wheel which generates a random selection every spin. Now the current version of PB has improved the original concept by using all three E/C bets to determine which one would close first allowing a random choice of betting against the 8th pattern
With pattern attack we are limiting our betting to a fixed pattern. Therefore we eliminate the risk of losing against other patterns. Due to this fact I think this is the main reason why PA performs so well. It avoids you betting whenever the pattern has not formed thus avoiding getting into a losing position. It also inherently enforces patience and discipline in your gambling.
This approach can be used on the original PB played on roulette as well as baccarat. If we were to limit the patterns we would bet against to 2 our of the 8 then we can use the same approach tracking the 7 patterns to close and then only bet against the 8th if it was one of these patterns. This would add an extra condition on the PB rules and reduce the betting opportunities to fewer shoes or spins. It may generate the same win rate also.
Any thoughts and comments welcome
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Apr 14, 06:07 AM 2018
Strange that Andre Chass Pattern Attack® do not receive the accolade of a wiining system.
Congrats Andre for your winning Pattern Attack®. Thank you for sharing it with us. :thumbsup:
Whereas the earlier JL Pattern Breaker received multiple times attention even when simulation test proved it's not a winning system.
I can't find another system that wins on flat bet - Post the link below if anyone has.
Hey man, you don't have to thank me. We did it together. You and Ricky have been helping a lot.
I keep increasing my bankroll and at the same time doing more tests.
Quote from: wiggy on Apr 14, 04:54 PM 2018
Hello guys, I like to look at different things and test them and Baccarat is a challenge for me. I looked at this using my Baccarat simulator which shuffles and deals real cards. (no RNG.....after all, that stuff is rigged! :xd:)
So first 100 shoes using 8 decks and the BPP BPP BP combo came out only 23 times in 100 shoes.
Shoe 88 was a bit of a so and so!! From hand 38, it went BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BB
It's only my first look, so I will look into it more.
cheers
Hello wiggy
Thanks for the help and for provide us the simulations.
You're using the Baccarat Buster 2.
Where can I download the software?
I'd like to do more simulations.
Quote from: cht on Apr 13, 11:09 PM 2018
I flat bet 4steps 1/1/1/1 risking 4 units. Starting at 4th repeat can be an option.
There are 2 variations to note when playing baccarat -
1. Normal commission baccarat where a 5% commission is deducted from the payout for banker win bets,
2. No-commission baccarat where the win for banker bet on the sum of exactly six has a payout of 50%. This is commonly known as super 6 baccarat that may or may not offer additional exotic bets.
The rules of the 2games is slightly different specifically related to whether to draw the 3rd card.
3. The burn card rule - this means at the start of every hand the 1st card is discarded(burn) before the hand is dealt.
Most casinos practice the no burn card rule giving a total of 70+ hands per 8 decks shoe. Some casinos apply the burn card rule giving a total of 60+ hands.
These differences in rules will affect the Pattern Attack result slightly. If I am not wrong the super 6 baccarat with burn card rule gives the best result.
Hello!
Do you flat bet for 4 times (max) for every attack?
I don't think you apply recovery at all. Isn't it?
Do you have a Stop Win or Stop Loss per casino visit?
Thanks a lot.
Quote from: jsintl on Apr 14, 07:57 PM 2018
Hello!
Do you flat bet for 4 times (max) for every attack?
Yes, flat bet 4times max stop on win.
I don't think you apply recovery at all. Isn't it?
Yes, I don't apply recovery at all.
Do you have a Stop Win or Stop Loss per casino visit?
My daily buy-in bankroll is 12units. I play continuously for as long as possible with breaks in between. My stop loss is my bankroll.
Thanks a lot.
I need a software that shows me the average of losses and wins using the strategy. But I cant find any Baccarat simulator.
All I know until now is that the strategy wins more than loses.
@andre, you can get the BaccaratBuster2 software at the myupperhand website. It's around $100 if you use the discount coupon.
For a quick test of Ricky's strategy just to get an idea of it, it's great because you aren't manually having to run through the shoes. You can run a 100 shoes in 5-10 minutes and then have a lot of analysis tools at your disposal to crunch through things. Going on what I have seen so far, you will get an average of a bet every 4 shoes for each pattern. I will have some time over the next few days to look into it all a bit deeper and will post up my findings.
cheers
Quote from: cht on Apr 14, 08:47 PM 2018
Thanks.
Andre is using 3 steps MM. Is there any reason why you are using 4 steps (all flatbet)?
Is it your personal choice only or based on your testing.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 15, 12:14 AM 2018
I need a software that shows me the average of losses and wins using the strategy. But I cant find any Baccarat simulator.
All I know until now is that the strategy wins more than loses.
Hi Andre
This may make a good project for me to code a baccarat simulator and provide simulation of frequency of different patterns
If no one else has done this I will give it a go
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: wiggy on Apr 15, 04:18 AM 2018
@andre, you can get the BaccaratBuster2 software at the myupperhand website. It's around $100 if you use the discount coupon.
For a quick test of Ricky's strategy just to get an idea of it, it's great because you aren't manually having to run through the shoes. You can run a 100 shoes in 5-10 minutes and then have a lot of analysis tools at your disposal to crunch through things. Going on what I have seen so far, you will get an average of a bet every 4 shoes for each pattern. I will have some time over the next few days to look into it all a bit deeper and will post up my findings.
cheers
Thanks wiggy. This may save me the time to code. I’ll look into it
No problem mate! You can see in the picture that they have a feature called 'logic recognition'. You can input a sequence such as BPP BPP BP and then type in what you would like to bet over the next few hands in a 'what if' scenario....so you could input the bet sequence BPB after the BPP BPP BP and then run as many shoes as you like using different progressions etc.. It's quick and uses a real shuffle, so it pretty much copies what you could expect in a real B+M environment as close as you are going to get.
cheers
Quote from: jsintl on Apr 15, 06:40 AM 2018
Thanks.
Andre is using 3 steps MM. Is there any reason why you are using 4 steps (all flatbet)?
Is it your personal choice only or based on your testing.
Based on test result with data from local b&m casino.
@wiggy thank you for the help!
As we already know, through the simulations you've done we get the triggers BPP BPP BP or PBB PBB PB four shoes in avarage.
Can you simulate the avarage of wins and losses we get using these triggers?
(Using 3 steps progression 1, 2, 4)
Ex:
BPP BPP BP bet BPB
PBB PBB PB bet PBP
I'll appreciate it
Cheers
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 13, 12:59 AM 2018
Just a quick update on Pattern Attack stats for my online play 54-2 Profit 566 euro
Still a winner.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 16, 02:41 AM 2018
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 13, 12:59 AM 2018
Just a quick update on Pattern Attack stats for my online play 54-2 Profit 566 euro
Still a winner.
Cheers,
Ricky
Having a good run today. 7 betting opportunities, another 7 wins. No Hit & Run but must admit I got distracted once and came across a 4 peater which failed to become a 5 peater. Close call.
Come on out there in coding land. A Baccarat BOT is a gold mine. I will pay $$$$$$THOUSANDS$$$$$$$ for one that works as reliably as Roulette Xtreme RX BOT and allows me to track PA and bet automatically on ANY Online Casino.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hai Ricky
God job! 7 games and 7 wins a day is great!
What do you mean you come across 4 repeater? You mean the pattern formed for four times, I think...
A bot would be great!
PS: You don't need to worry about hit and run. If the strategy is a winner you can play it as long as you can. Har is a fallacy imho
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 16, 12:43 PM 2018What do you mean you come across 4 repeater? You mean the pattern formed for four times, I think...
Hey Andre, I missed starting to bet on the 8th hand that formed the trigger. I was distracted with a phone call. When I resumed tracking I noticed I just missed a potential 4 step loss. I would have needed to go to the 5th step to win but was not flat betting so would have been in a bit of a hole. So this was a relief. You could say I was in hit and run mode but in my case I was only running ;D
Yea, a bot will be a license to print money.
PS. You casino starting to disconnect you on big bets? Any signs of them catching on? Or have you been losing occasionally to send them off the scent?
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 16, 12:58 PM 2018
Hey Andre, I missed starting to bet on the 8th hand that formed the trigger. I was distracted with a phone call. When I resumed tracking I noticed I just missed a potential 4 step loss. I would have needed to go to the 5th step to win but was not flat betting so would have been in a bit of a hole. So this was a relief. You could say I was in hit and run mode but in my case I was only running ;D
Yea, a bot will be a license to print money.
PS. You casino starting to disconnect you on big bets? Any signs of them catching on? Or have you been losing occasionally to send them off the scent?
Cheers,
Ricky
Oh, now I understand. Man, never go to the 4th or 5th step. To much risk... If you lose you lose big using 5 steps.
Nope, the casino never disconnect me because of it.
Sometimes I lose occasionally and I play others games (roulette, blackjack) just to distract.
Its getting quiet here the last day. Everyone too busy winning with this system?
Ok, my latest update is 59-2 Approaching the 100 game mark with current ratio of 29.5:1
This is way above the break even mark and would take a colossal losing streak to undo my current winning of 666.50 euro
This method is proving so POWERFUL that I have come up with a successful system to make smaller wins while waiting for the 8 patterns to form. I mentioned this previously but it is still working.
Using the information that we know the trigger of 8 hands does not form too often, and given that I am using relatively large base bets of 25-30 euro, I am starting to bet smaller units of 1-5 euro base bets when 5-8 hands form the pattern. Sometimes I even wait for just 3-4 hands betting 1 euro. My online casino allows such small bets so this is a good strategy. Obviously not so good for min bets of 25.
So the idea is you allocate a VALUE for each hand in the pattern to form
eg.
PBB or BPP would receive 1 unit of strength and I would place a 1 euro bet against it repeating a second time. If I lose I will bet 1 euro again for break even or 1.5 euro for small profit
If I see PBB P or BPP B and did not bet after 3 hands then I would allocate 2 units of strength and I would bet 2 euro. etc. Again if I lose then we are up to 5 hands of the pattern forming so decide do we go for break even on 6th hand to not continue forming the pattern. It depends if I am having a winning streak and can afford to lose a few more euro.
Now, you could keep betting after each loss or you could decide to stop after 2 losses and wait to see if the 8 hand trigger forms. Its up to you if you want to accept a few euro loss
So far I have won around 50 euro doing this while waiting for the pattern to form. Not a bad earner.
The good thing about following the above betting is that if you lose you know you are closer to the trigger for your big bets. If you win then you have made a small profit or worse case break even.
Cheers,
Ricky
Just a word about this strategy
WINNER!
Ricky, I'm playing the same way.
While I'm waiting for the trigger I place ONE unit against:
BPP B bet BB
PBB P bet PP
Only 2 steps
Lose or win I wait to see if the trigger forms.
I make around $50 profit while waiting for the trigger.
Cheers
That's the PATTERN ATTACK® - AGGRESSIVE MODE that I posted earlier.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 10, 06:11 AM 2018
PATTERN ATTACK ® - Aggressive Mode
You can use the strategy to play Baccarat or Roulette but it works better with Baccarat (less variance and Tie).
Here are the rules:
1. Start tracking a shoe.
2. If we see one of the following patterns we start betting AGAINST the pattern.
PBB Bet BPP
BPP Bet PBB
3. Progression is a personal choice:
1-2-3
1-2-4
1-2-2
1-1-3
4. Do not IGNORE tie results as this affects sequence of results. Treat it as another unmatched pattern.
PS: You can cover the Tie to avoid previous losses.
5. Stop tracking at the end of the shoe and reset.
NEVER bet when is the end of the shoe. Look for another table.
6. Try tracking at least 2 tables at the same time.
Ex:
B P
B P
B
B
We have above BPP
P B
P B
P
P
We have above PBB
Both qualify
P B P
P
We have above BPP
B P B
B
We have above PBB
Both qualify
I have modified the aggressive mode and Im using progression of only 2 steps as I said before.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 17, 07:15 PM 2018
I have modified the aggressive mode and Im using progression of only 2 steps as I said before.
Good to see you have the same idea as me. Just won another 30 euro. Had 2 tables forming the pattern at the same time. started betting both with small euros. One ended in tie the other kept going to the trigger of 8. Placed big 35 euro bet plus 7 euro on the tie in case and bang, won in first step after the trigger
Now 60W 2 L with 696 euro profit.
This is an unbelievable run for me. Hoping it continues. Wait hope is not right. I know it will continue. We are getting to HG territory with this. Meets all criteria so far.
Cheers
Ricky
Warning: This strategy is under test. We need help from people who are interested in providing statistics, avarage of wins and losses, etc...
I never said that this strategy is HG. It's necessary to do a lot of tests before state something.
In the past, several times I thought I had the HG until I lost all the profit and more. So we have to be cautious.
I really had a bad run for two days consecutive.
Ricky,
Post you thoughts and results here, please.
If someone else is using this strategy, contribute by posting the results and new ideas, tests, etc...
Thanks
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 19, 09:51 PM 2018
Ricky,
Post you thoughts and results here, please.
If someone else is using this strategy, contribute by posting the results and new ideas, tests, etc...
Thanks
Hi Andre,
I have not had another loss since 6th April. I have had 1 TIE on step 1 for no loss no profit. There have been some occasions I was went to the 4th step and won but due to reduced bet size lost the session. I did not classify this as a loss as the pattern was broken on 4th step. I since recovered my loss on the next game.
Current record 64W 2L 1 TIE 766 euro profit
PA is now my main game at B&M casino also. Last visit made $110 betting 3 times in 2 hours playing in Baccarat room with min bet $100
Cheers,
Ricky
It's not HG but it's a winner! I win much more than I lose.
Today 5 bets 5 wins
Progression 30, 60, 120
Total profit $150
You doubt? Try it yourself
Last two days I had some consecutive losses and I lose money because I was using 2 step progression and most of the wins happened at third step.
So I came back using 3 step progression
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 20, 10:06 PM 2018It's not HG but it's a winner! I win much more than I lose.
Hi Andre,
Everyone is looking for the HOLY GRAIL. But they do not know what the definition of the HG is. They think it is playing every spin/hand/roll of the dice and expecting to win in the long run. If it loses under these conditions then its not the HG they so eagerly seek. I have been reading the Vaddis thread where he claims to have found the HG for roulette and was giving clues claiming to have the perfect system. But if you read between the lines he is basically advocating playing in such a way that you bet less and win more. You do not play every game but play when the conditions are right or when you get a trigger to begin ATTACKING the game.
With PATTERN ATTACK this meets the criteria of a HG system. If you manage your betting to avoid playing when the conditions are not right you will win more times than you lose. Just watching the Baccarat Board you can get from past experience when the "Optimal" time is to bet. In our case only when 8 hands form the BPP BPP BP or PBB PBB PB pattern. To be honest there are many other patterns you could use as a trigger which also appear just as rare. But for the moment we are limiting out betting to just these two patterns because it stops us from betting continuously and "guessing" if Player or Banker will come next.
Used with proper money management and daily Profit/loss targets you can play PATTERN ATTACK "continuously" until either of these two "predetermined" conditions are met. It is suicide to play any system without setting proper MM rules BEFORE you start playing.
In my mind, the HG of any system is a combination of method and Money Management. PATTERN ATTACK or PATTERN BREAKER both qualify but my experience has been that Baccarat provides a more stable win/loss potential than roulette on any method deployed. Currently playing PA I am 67W - 2L 1 TIE in my 100 game set with 751 euro profit playing for 1 month and 10 days. That's 33.5:1 ratio playing mostly with 1-2-4 progression. But to be honest progression has been an approximation and varies depending if I was in a current loss situation and if I was playing aggressive mode and betting after 3 hands form the BPP or PBB pattern and had several losses before getting to the 8th hand.
Keep up the discussion on your experience playing PA and discuss your money management approaches to this. Some like to flat bet or not go past 2nd step. This is a good approach too but you will have more losses or track sideways too long which could be frustrating if you do not have the discipline and patience to wait out the losing streaks.
Cheers,
Ricky
After struggling to find a trigger for a few days I get 2 in the one shoe. PA trigger comes in waves as we have all realized. It is a winner if played with discipline and good MM.
69W-2L 1 TIE 806 euro profit
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 21, 12:59 AM 2018
After struggling to find a trigger for a few days I get 2 in the one shoe. PA trigger comes in waves as we have all realized. It is a winner if played with discipline and good MM.
69W-2L 1 TIE 806 euro profit
Cheers,
Ricky
Good job Ricky!
Many players use a strategy that win more than it lose. They do not play every spin / hand. They do not play every game but play when the conditions are right.
They use the strategy with proper money management.
Some people in this forum say they own HG. A perfect strategy that can be played all spin / hand and never loses. I do not believe in these people.
If there's HG, it is a combination of strategy, money management, discipline and patience to be played when conditions are favorable.
PS: Ricky knows what I mean and many players here too.
Playing PATTERN ATTACK with MM is being prepared for 1 in 1000 shoes to get this. I had a feeling this was it and waited for the trigger of 8. Bet low 5 euro initially as it started to grow bet to recover loss. It kept going. It was too perfect. Made the 4 peat and started making the 5 peat. I played it very conservative prepared for a loss. Then on the 7th Step 100 euro on Banker and 15 euro on Tie I went for it and won the bet but lost the progression with 25 euro loss. If I did a typical 1-2-4-8 I would have lost hundreds and stop with a massive hole. Instead I live to fight another day because I deviated from the martingale knowing that the pattern cannot last forever. So you just have to time your entry for the big bets with gut feeling. especially when I have been getting many triggers today. This is a hand shuffle game so it can only be coincidence that I get the 1 in 1000 shoe shoeing a 4 2/3 peat
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 21, 02:30 AM 2018
Playing PATTERN ATTACK with MM is being prepared for 1 in 1000 shoes to get this. I had a feeling this was it and waited for the trigger of 8. Bet low 5 euro initially as it started to grow bet to recover loss. It kept going. It was too perfect. Made the 4 peat and started making the 5 peat. I played it very conservative prepared for a loss. Then on the 7th Step 100 euro on Banker and 15 euro on Tie I went for it and won the bet but lost the progression with 25 euro loss. If I did a typical 1-2-4-8 I would have lost hundreds and stop with a massive hole. Instead I live to fight another day because I deviated from the martingale knowing that the pattern cannot last forever. So you just have to time your entry for the big bets with gut feeling. especially when I have been getting many triggers today. This is a hand shuffle game so it can only be coincidence that I get the 1 in 1000 shoe shoeing a 4 2/3 peat
Cheers
Ricky
Just to show what the shoe dealt after the almost 5 peat. It proves that the pattern cannot last forever. so you just need to attack the PATTERN at the right moment and sometimes let it establish itself more than the trigger. You can either flat bet for 3 bets and call it a loss or bet low amounts hoping to recover your some of losses knowing the pattern is more likely to end before going to 5 peat.
Cheers,
Ricky
"We are essentially taking an educated guess and following it up with a negative progression"
- Ricky
In that point I don't agree with Ricky.
I'm not a guessing player. I play using statistics.
I'll say it again.
We also use probability in our favor. We bet that a rare event will not happen.
It's easy you see BPP forming for one time.... But it's hard to see BPP forming for 4 or 5 times, for example.
"Educated guess with negative progression is where it draws the usual criticism that system play offers no basis for edge over the casino games."
- CHT
"IF the statistical count is net positive, then yes that's advantage play.
Advantage play do not necessarily require the element of cause and effect. Inductive statistics is a form of advantage play."
- CHT
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 21, 04:39 AM 2018I'm not a guessing player. I play using statistics.
Hi Andre, I agree you are not guessing but you are educated. You are using statistics, probability, your brain, but in the end that exact hand you are betting you have no advantage over the casino that it will be player or banker. We just know that eventually the pattern has to be broken because cards cannot be shuffled so perfectly to continue that pattern on a regular basis. So we use a negative progression and have high risk "expecting" the pattern to eventually end which it will. An AP does not need to resort to negative progression to beat the casino.
With Card Counting it is mathematically proven that the more accurate your count of the cards you will have a statistical edge over the house due to the fact the deck of cards has a memory and with less cards in the deck of a certain value the statistical odds of getting dealt a certain card changes. You know to beat the dealer you need a certain value card high or low without going bust. So the count of the cards is going to give you that mathematical advantage. you are better able to make your decision to hit or stand or double or split.
Now with Baccarat, we can also keep track of the cards and if we were able to somehow use this information together with the rules of banker and player we may be able to work out a system that gives us an edge betting banker or player. I am not smart enough to determine what that edge may be but when you take say all the 7,8,9 cards from the deck there are certain combinations that cannot be made. There are less ways to get a natural if your first card is a 10 or A. But I am not clever enough to use this information to my advantage so need to resort to looking at patterns and statistics of those patterns occurring
Cheers,
Ricky
I see that the topic "No HG" has been closed.
I will write here what my impressions are.
Ricky, I still think Pattern Attack, it can work. Because we use rare patern.
I have my 60 sessions, I played against the usual 3 decision.
I wanted to see if hitnrun in his pure form can work, i aware of drawdowns and probabilities.
But it seems to me, usually playing hitnrun, to some extent affects the edge and depends on luck
Quote from: ozon on Apr 21, 03:24 PM 2018
I see that the topic "No HG" has been closed.
I will write here what my impressions are.
Ricky, I still think Pattern Attack, it can work. Because we use rare patern.
I have my 60 sessions, I played against the usual 3 decision.
I wanted to see if hitnrun in his pure form can work, i aware of drawdowns and probabilities.
But it seems to me, usually playing hitnrun, to some extent affects the edge and depends on luck
Hi ozon
You said that you played 60 sessions.
What's your results? How many wins and losses?
Are you using the strategy playing baccarat or roulette?
We need players to contribute n this thread by posting the results so we can refine the strateg
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 21, 05:11 PM 2018
Hi ozon
You said that you played 60 sessions.
What's your results? How many wins and losses?
Are you using the strategy playing baccarat or roulette?
We need players to contribute n this thread by posting the results so we can refine the strateg
Cheers
Hi Andre
I think my b&m casino is watching this thread. I came across so many triggers playing on rapid baccarat live dealer i ended up losing 200. I had to slowly recover using PATTERN BREAKER on SicBo, roulette and baccarat. The pattern went to the 4th repeat in multiple occasions I had to stop using it
The cards are shuffled eith shufflemaster so I thing it may be programmed to generate this pattern. I am going to stay low for a while and monitor the situation. I had good success in PB so I will be mixing my play for a while
I am still going good on Online Casino as it is hand shuffled
Cheers
Ricky
Well, I'll post my results today.
4 games played 3 wins 1 tie
1th game won on step 2
2th game won on step 1
3th game tie on first step
4h game won on step 2
Profit $90
I waited for the original trigger and I used 30, 60, 120 progression
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 21, 05:32 PM 2018
Hi Andre
I think my b&m casino is watching this thread. I came across so many triggers playing on rapid baccarat live dealer i ended up losing 200. I had to slowly recover using PATTERN BREAKER on SicBo, roulette and baccarat. The pattern went to the 4th repeat in multiple occasions I had to stop using it
The cards are shuffled eith shufflemaster so I thing it may be programmed to generate this pattern. I am going to stay low for a while and monitor the situation. I had good success in PB so I will be mixing my play for a while
I am still going good on Online Casino as it is hand shuffled
Cheers
'Ricky
Sorry to hear that, Ricky
I think we need change something in the strategy. I don't know what, maybe a longer trigger and play hit and run
Sometimes the triggers come in waves... Sometimes it almost 2 hours waiting
You need to be careful of cards that are done in the SHUFFLE KING OR SHUFFLE MASTER machines.
Only play live hand shuffled games.
I want to hear your experiences with online casinos so that we can rate them I play on BetPhoenix only at this time.
There are advantages to playing against hand shuffled cards. They retain their biases much better than machine shuffled or factory preshuffled cards. Check out that hand-shuffled game I played yesterday. It retained its OTB4L bias perfectly from the beginning and all the way through. That is typical of hand shuffled cards - always was. That is why we don't see hand shuffled in the casinos any more. But we DO see them on line!
RICKY understand they are making the cards to play in a certain order when they are done in the shuffle machines.......................are you seeing any ten in a row or six in a row PPPPPP BBBBBB PPPPPPPPPP BBBBBBBBBB?????
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Apr 21, 08:17 PM 2018
You need to be careful of cards that are done in the SHUFFLE KING OR SHUFFLE MASTER machines.
Only play live hand shuffled games.
I want to hear your experiences with online casinos so that we can rate them I play on BetPhoenix only at this time.
There are advantages to playing against hand shuffled cards. They retain their biases much better than machine shuffled or factory preshuffled cards. Check out that hand-shuffled game I played yesterday. It retained its OTB4L bias perfectly from the beginning and all the way through. That is typical of hand shuffled cards - always was. That is why we don't see hand shuffled in the casinos any more. But we DO see them on line!
RICKY understand they are making the cards to play in a certain order when they are done in the shuffle machines.......................are you seeing any ten in a row or six in a row PPPPPP BBBBBB PPPPPPPPPP BBBBBBBBBB?????
Stuart
It is obvious and logical that the Casino will manipulate the shuffle on the most even game they have. How else would they make a profit. They string the punters along generating consistent patterns encouraging them to bet thousands to continue the pattern and then switching it at the optimum moment to break it when it is assumed the pattern will continue that one more hand.
The other day I saw 13 player hands PPPPPPPPPPPPP. This is way to much compared to a hand shuffle. Coincidence I don't know
cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 21, 05:32 PM 2018
Hi Andre
I think my b&m casino is watching this thread. I came across so many triggers playing on rapid baccarat live dealer i ended up losing 200. I had to slowly recover using PATTERN BREAKER on SicBo, roulette and baccarat. The pattern went to the 4th repeat in multiple occasions I had to stop using it
The cards are shuffled eith shufflemaster so I thing it may be programmed to generate this pattern. I am going to stay low for a while and monitor the situation. I had good success in PB so I will be mixing my play for a while
ricky,
may you post your updated results?
I am willing to build a decent prog for play that stuff but need more data
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 22, 12:31 AM 2018
ricky,
may you post your updated results?
I am willing to build a decent prog for play that stuff but need more data
Current Online play handshuffled Killing it with PA
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 22, 12:52 AM 2018
Current Online play handshuffled Killing it with PA
Cheers
Ricky
Good job Ricky!
I see you went to 5th step... Too much risk
Did you use the original strategy waiting 8 hands?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 22, 01:51 AM 2018
Good job Ricky!
I see you went to 5th step... Too much risk
Did you use the original strategy waiting 8 hands?
Hi Andre,
Here was my progression. Settled for a small loss. Started betting after trigger of 8 but had gut feeling this would go beyond 4 steps and so bet to recover bets rather than make a profit
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I am currently testing a negative/positive progression idea based on the PATTERN ATTACK pattern BPP / PBB. It is showing some success with bankroll moving forward. The idea is as follows:
1. Bet almost EVERY hand for the pattern NOT to form.
2. At start of shoe based on player/banker result bet the SAME side 1 unit. I am using 1 euro for testing
2. If LOSE then pattern starting to form so increase bet by HALF base unit. in my case 1.5 euro. Keep increasing by half a base unit betting AGAINST the pattern to form.
So if the pattern forms to 8th hand you have bet 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5 = 19 units
At this point you will start betting your high bets that the pattern does not continue. Progression is your preference but considering you are down 19 units you may decide to bet to recover this amount or win back this amount plus half. So you could use a base bet of 30 euro or 35 euro
3. If WIN bet same amount again 1 euro for the pattern NOT to continue.
4. If you WIN a second time in a row then start a positive progression for the pattern not to form using 1 1.5 2 2.5 4 6 8 progression while WINNING. Each bet will be for the PATTERN ATTACK pattern not to start forming. So if BBB are last hands then continue betting B. If PPP are last hands then continue betting P
5. For a TIE I currently STOP betting until I see the next hand. Once next hand comes out continue betting at the same level for the pattern NOT to form. So you would bet the same side resulted after the TIE. eg if TIE then B continue at the same progression on B. If TIE then P continue with P.
6. If after the pattern forms for several hands and you are in negative progression then the pattern is broken with a WIN you reset back to 1 base unit eg 1 euro and start your positive progression waiting for 2 wins in a row.
The idea with this method is you are betting almost every hand for the PATTERN ATTACK pattern not to form. You are also taking advantage of the streaks of the same pattern PPPPPP BBBBBB PBPBPBPBPBP BPBPBPBPB and using a positive progression to increase your wins using casino money.
The negative progression needs to be worked on. Maybe we can just FLAT bet and reduce out risk to 8 units down from 19 units. But using a progression on the first few hands at least avoids getting into a negative bankroll if there is a lot of chop from loss to win.
Let's see if we can improve on this idea to extend the PATTERN ATTACK success.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 22, 03:31 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
Here was my progression. Settled for a small loss. Started betting after trigger of 8 but had gut feeling this would go beyond 4 steps and so bet to recover bets rather than make a profit
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I am currently testing a negative/positive progression idea based on the PATTERN ATTACK pattern BPP / PBB. It is showing some success with bankroll moving forward. The idea is as follows:
1. Bet almost EVERY hand for the pattern NOT to form.
2. At start of shoe based on player/banker result bet the SAME side 1 unit. I am using 1 euro for testing
2. If LOSE then pattern starting to form so increase bet by HALF base unit. in my case 1.5 euro. Keep increasing by half a base unit betting AGAINST the pattern to form.
So if the pattern forms to 8th hand you have bet 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5 = 19 units
At this point you will start betting your high bets that the pattern does not continue. Progression is your preference but considering you are down 19 units you may decide to bet to recover this amount or win back this amount plus half. So you could use a base bet of 30 euro or 35 euro
3. If WIN bet same amount again 1 euro for the pattern NOT to continue.
4. If you WIN a second time in a row then start a positive progression for the pattern not to form using 1 1.5 2 2.5 4 6 8 progression while WINNING. Each bet will be for the PATTERN ATTACK pattern not to start forming. So if BBB are last hands then continue betting B. If PPP are last hands then continue betting P
5. For a TIE I currently STOP betting until I see the next hand. Once next hand comes out continue betting at the same level for the pattern NOT to form. So you would bet the same side resulted after the TIE. eg if TIE then B continue at the same progression on B. If TIE then P continue with P.
6. If after the pattern forms for several hands and you are in negative progression then the pattern is broken with a WIN you reset back to 1 base unit eg 1 euro and start your positive progression waiting for 2 wins in a row.
The idea with this method is you are betting almost every hand for the PATTERN ATTACK pattern not to form. You are also taking advantage of the streaks of the same pattern PPPPPP BBBBBB PBPBPBPBPBP BPBPBPBPB and using a positive progression to increase your wins using casino money.
The negative progression needs to be worked on. Maybe we can just FLAT bet and reduce out risk to 8 units down from 19 units. But using a progression on the first few hands at least avoids getting into a negative bankroll if there is a lot of chop from loss to win.
Let's see if we can improve on this idea to extend the PATTERN ATTACK success.
Cheers,
Ricky
Just as small correction on the above strategy. The positive progression should read
1 1 1.5 2 3 4 6 8
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 22, 04:08 AM 2018
Just as small correction on the above strategy. The positive progression should read
1 1 1.5 2 3 4 6 8
More testing done on this method where you play every hand against the pattern BPP or PBB forming has proven not worth the effort in its current form. Due to the even nature of Baccarat, unless you get a very long streak of P, B or BP or many streaks after each other you find yourself going up and down in an even swing from profit to loss. It gets a bit negative when you get several 5-7 hands patterns almost getting to the trigger but not quite making it to allow you to bet your main trigger.
Another idea I am thinking of is how you can for any given shoe know how many hands to wait for before you start betting PATTERN ATTACK. Currently we have a a STATIC trigger of 8 hands and need to bet a 4 STEP to bet against a 4-peat of the BPP/PBB pattern. 8 hands is only 2 2/3 repeat. What we find is that you often do get a 3-peat forming but it RARELY turns into a 4-peat. These tend to come in waves and then go away for a considerable amount of time making it difficult to get a trigger for several hours.
Now I was wondering if we can add an additional rule for when we would bet a BPP and when we would bet a PBB. We should have a random number of repeats from 3-6 which we will wait for. But where do we get this random number. Well one way would be to look at the first 7 hands of the shoe and count the number of Ps and Bs that won and use this number for each PBB and BPP respectively as the number of repeats we will wait for in the current shoe. This will create a random selection where for the casino to beat us they would need to get this initial count right as well as the pattern to form more than that amount of times.
Here is the rule we can use
1. Track the first 7 hands. Ignore all tie bets
2. Count the number of player wins and banker wins. Total Banker + Player wins will equal 7
3. based on the count of each use the following table as your trigger for each pattern
Player wins Trigger Hands before betting
<5 PBB PBB PB 8
5 PBB PBB PBB PB 11
6 PBB PBB PBB PBB PB 14
7 PBB PBB PBB PBB PBB PB 17
Banker Wins Trigger Hands before betting
<5 BPP BPP BP 8
5 BPP BPP BPP BP 11
6 BPP BPP BPP BPP BP 14
7 BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BP 17
So the above table will enable to to determine if you should wait beyond the 8th hand before starting to bet. It will give the casino another condition that should be met if it wants to beat us.
I am not sure if the above is a good strategy but it will give us another trigger we can use before we commit ourselves to betting after the 8th Hand. If there is a better way I am interest to know how else we can avoid those rare occasions where the pattern wants to continue forming past the 8th and 11th hands increasing our risk of losing
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 22, 01:24 PM 2018
More testing done on this method where you play every hand against the pattern BPP or PBB forming has proven not worth the effort in its current form. Due to the even nature of Baccarat, unless you get a very long streak of P, B or BP or many streaks after each other you find yourself going up and down in an even swing from profit to loss. It gets a bit negative when you get several 5-7 hands patterns almost getting to the trigger but not quite making it to allow you to bet your main trigger.
I've tested it and you're right. It's not worth the effort because I found myself up and down constantly.
Another idea I am thinking of is how you can for any given shoe know how many hands to wait for before you start betting PATTERN ATTACK. Currently we have a a STATIC trigger of 8 hands and need to bet a 4 STEP to bet against a 4-peat of the BPP/PBB pattern. 8 hands is only 2 2/3 repeat. What we find is that you often do get a 3-peat forming but it RARELY turns into a 4-peat. These tend to come in waves and then go away for a considerable amount of time making it difficult to get a trigger for several hours.
Now I was wondering if we can add an additional rule for when we would bet a BPP and when we would bet a PBB. We should have a random number of repeats from 3-6 which we will wait for. But where do we get this random number. Well one way would be to look at the first 7 hands of the shoe and count the number of Ps and Bs that won and use this number for each PBB and BPP respectively as the number of repeats we will wait for in the current shoe. This will create a random selection where for the casino to beat us they would need to get this initial count right as well as the pattern to form more than that amount of times.
Here is the rule we can use
1. Track the first 7 hands. Ignore all tie bets
2. Count the number of player wins and banker wins. Total Banker + Player wins will equal 7
3. based on the count of each use the following table as your trigger for each pattern
Player wins Trigger Hands before betting
<5 PBB PBB PB 8
5 PBB PBB PBB PB 11
6 PBB PBB PBB PBB PB 14
7 PBB PBB PBB PBB PBB PB 17
Banker Wins Trigger Hands before betting
<5 BPP BPP BP 8
5 BPP BPP BPP BP 11
6 BPP BPP BPP BPP BP 14
7 BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BP 17
So the above table will enable to to determine if you should wait beyond the 8th hand before starting to bet. It will give the casino another condition that should be met if it wants to beat us.
I am not sure if the above is a good strategy but it will give us another trigger we can use before we commit ourselves to betting after the 8th Hand. If there is a better way I am interest to know how else we can avoid those rare occasions where the pattern wants to continue forming past the 8th and 11th hands increasing our risk of losing
Cheers,
Ricky
The triggers are too long. The patterns forming for 5 times is a VERY rare event. I dont think it makes sense.
Ricky
Yesterday I was tracking the tables for hours. I noticed that when the trigger appears, hardly the pattern will form 4 times again in the same shoe.
Ex:
BPP BPP BP or more hands appears only once in the same shoe. Hardly it will appears twice.
The same situation occurs with PBB PBB PB.
So if, for example, BPP BPP BP appeared once, you will know it will not shows again in the same shoe.
I hope Ive been clear.
I think Pattern Attack is a percentage game.
We have to be patience and discipline. We have to wait for the trigger and accept the losses. If we feel confident we can bet before the trigger.
And we have to choose the appropriate progression for a given situation.
We have to accept that we won't always win. No strategy wins all the time even using computers.
Baccarat is a 50/50 game. There are no crazy strategies. Banker or Player... That's it.
I researched a lot on the internet and found nothing better than that. I found a lot of strategies that are no more than a guessing game.
I think the only strategy is to bet that a rare event will not occur.
We use statistics and probability in our favor.
One advantage we have is that we know the pattern will not last forever. So we can keep with the progression in the same bet for recovery.
Ex: BPP BPP BP bet B P B - lose? bet B P B
1 2 4 3 6 12
That's 6 step progression
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 22, 06:47 PM 2018
Baccarat is a 50/50 game. There are no crazy strategies. Banker or Player... That's it.
I researched a lot on the internet and found nothing better than that. I found a lot of strategies that are no more than a guessing game.
I think the only strategy is to bet that a rare event will not occur.
We use statistics and probability in our favor.
I started analyzing ricky's data
flat betting and stopping at -3 you get 60% of winning decisions and a final +22 units
I think that the key is in the first attempt, you get the winnings there, all the rest is just for recovering, need to ponder the best way to exploit it.
keep you updated
A
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 23, 02:02 AM 2018
I started analyzing ricky's data
flat betting and stopping at -3 you get 60% of winning decisions and a final +22 units
I think that the key is in the first attempt, you get the winnings there, all the rest is just for recovering, need to ponder the best way to exploit it.
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Hello Andrebac,
Based on your analysis, do you recommend flatbetting with stop loss of -3. Do you have any stop win per session?
Thanks
Quote from: jsintl on Apr 23, 04:26 AM 2018
Hello Andrebac,
Based on your analysis, do you recommend flatbetting with stop loss of -3. Do you have any stop win per session?
Thanks
sorry but I don't recommend nothing, still analyzing to find the best setup.
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 24, 04:33 AM 2018
sorry but I don't recommend nothing, still analyzing to find the best setup.
After playing this method for a month and half when I get the chance what I can recommend is do NOT try to anticipate the pattern breaking BEFORE 8 hands. I have lost a lot of profit by jumping in after 5 hands with the expectation that the pattern will break most times by the 8th hand. I have an uncanny habit of timing the exact occasion when the 8th hand triggers the PATTERN ATTACK pattern
So be patient and just WAIT for the trigger. You may be waiting hours in some sessions but others you will get the trigger multiple times in the one shoe as in attachment.
This method works well with Flat betting but to avoid losing 1st and then winning 2nd or 3rd steps I would wait until 9th or 10 hand before starting to bet. The success rate and profit will be higher as the pattern rarely goes past 9 or 10 hands. The only thing is you might miss out on some opportunities.
For me I am playing it with a 3-4 step progression on low 20-30 base units. It I start with higher base unit I will limit progression to 2 steps or even break even or small loss rather than risking large bankroll for a small gain. It is all in proportion to your bankroll. Also I am covering tie on 2nd bet onwards to allow a breakeven from previous lost bets.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 24, 10:53 AM 2018
After playing this method for a month and half when I get the chance what I can recommend is do NOT try to anticipate the pattern breaking BEFORE 8 hands. I have lost a lot of profit by jumping in after 5 hands with the expectation that the pattern will break most times by the 8th hand. I have an uncanny habit of timing the exact occasion when the 8th hand triggers the PATTERN ATTACK pattern
So be patient and just WAIT for the trigger. You may be waiting hours in some sessions but others you will get the trigger multiple times in the one shoe as in attachment.
This method works well with Flat betting but to avoid losing 1st and then winning 2nd or 3rd steps I would wait until 9th or 10 hand before starting to bet. The success rate and profit will be higher as the pattern rarely goes past 9 or 10 hands. The only thing is you might miss out on some opportunities.
For me I am playing it with a 3-4 step progression on low 20-30 base units. It I start with higher base unit I will limit progression to 2 steps or even break even or small loss rather than risking large bankroll for a small gain. It is all in proportion to your bankroll. Also I am covering tie on 2nd bet onwards to allow a breakeven from previous lost bets.
Cheers,
Ricky
Just to show you my bad timing immediately after this post I saw an 8 hand BPP BPP BP forming. Great What good timing after posting about flat betting and waiting for the 9th or 10th hand I do not take my own advise. So I start betting with 35 euro base bet after the 8th hand formed. Well it went to the 9th and 10th and 11th. With 200 euro down :'( I decided that was too much to risk going for the 4th step so decided to watch next hand. As per my luck I stop betting and the pattern breaks on the 4th step. Well it could have been worse. So now I have some catch up to do.
Don't say I only reveal my wins. Here is my 3rd serious loss after 1 and half months
Current stat is 79W 3L 1 TIE. Profit down to 654 euro
Had the discipline to avoid throwing my desktop ;D. Will not try to chase my losses now as will only risk getting into a bigger hole.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 04:40 PM 2018
The strategy is POWERFUL If you play by the rules.
There's no needs to wait to change the shoe or play again after some hours... It's fallacy.
It needs a lot of paciente and bankroll.
And you can adapt your way of play and use different progressions.
We are betting against a rare pattern to form for 4 times. It's a rare event.
BPP BPP BP
PBB PBB PB
Nice Pattern is what i use in Baccarat too ;) !
please tell me what you will do in all Tie situations like these ones :
PBB PBB PB T : ( here you stop right ? And wait for another Trigger )
And
PBB PB PB B T : ( and here you ignore the T ? )
Thank you very much , and i am new to this forum i hope to talk to you soon in private message so that we can maybe share our thoughts and experiences.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 24, 11:21 AM 2018
Just to show you my bad timing immediately after this post I saw an 8 hand BPP BPP BP forming. Great What good timing after posting about flat betting and waiting for the 9th or 10th hand I do not take my own advise. So I start betting with 35 euro base bet after the 8th hand formed. Well it went to the 9th and 10th and 11th. With 200 euro down :'( I decided that was too much to risk going for the 4th step so decided to watch next hand. As per my luck I stop betting and the pattern breaks on the 4th step. Well it could have been worse. So now I have some catch up to do.
Don't say I only reveal my wins. Here is my 3rd serious loss after 1 and half months
Current stat is 79W 3L 1 TIE. Profit down to 654 euro
Had the discipline to avoid throwing my desktop ;D. Will not try to chase my losses now as will only risk getting into a bigger hole.
Cheers,
Ricky
Lol
Hey Ricky
You have to falow your own advice :thumbsup:
The most important thing is that the strategy win more than it loses.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 24, 10:53 AM 2018
After playing this method for a month and half when I get the chance what I can recommend is do NOT try to anticipate the pattern breaking BEFORE 8 hands. I have lost a lot of profit by jumping in after 5 hands with the expectation that the pattern will break most times by the 8th hand. I have an uncanny habit of timing the exact occasion when the 8th hand triggers the PATTERN ATTACK pattern
So be patient and just WAIT for the trigger. You may be waiting hours in some sessions but others you will get the trigger multiple times in the one shoe as in attachment.
This method works well with Flat betting but to avoid losing 1st and then winning 2nd or 3rd steps I would wait until 9th or 10 hand before starting to bet. The success rate and profit will be higher as the pattern rarely goes past 9 or 10 hands. The only thing is you might miss out on some opportunities.
For me I am playing it with a 3-4 step progression on low 20-30 base units. It I start with higher base unit I will limit progression to 2 steps or even break even or small loss rather than risking large bankroll for a small gain. It is all in proportion to your bankroll. Also I am covering tie on 2nd bet onwards to allow a breakeven from previous lost bets.
Cheers,
Ricky
We need to have PATIENCE to wait for the trigger and DISCIPLINE to bet only when the trigger appears.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 22, 06:06 PM 2018
I think Pattern Attack is a percentage game.
We have to be patience and discipline. We have to wait for the trigger and accept the losses. If we feel confident we can bet before the trigger.
And we have to choose the appropriate progression for a given situation.
We have to accept that we won't always win. No strategy wins all the time even using computers.
We should never forget this and always play by the rules.
Set a daily, weekly or monthly goal. Do not be greedy.
Start with small bets an feel the game.
Don't try recover a loss at once.
If you earn 1% of your bankroll per day. that's great.
You have to build your bankroll
That's some rules
Many players say that a winning strategy is one that you bet on consecutively. Thats bullshit!
A good strategist bets at the right time with the right amount and when all the conditions are favorable. A good hunter waits for the right moment to attack his prey.
Casinos love players without patience and discipline.
Even using computers you have to wait for the right moment to attack the roulette.
Casino is not your enemy. You are your own enemy. When you enter a casino, you are challenging yourself.
Casino does not win ... you are the one who loses....
79 wins vs. 3 losses mean a 26:1 ratio, the avg is 7:1 so math is good
in terms of units: (79-3) x 1 = +76units won
(3x7) = -21 units lost
net +55units
ar. 0,7 units per attack
limit your losses at 3 and forget the rest
every time you play an attack you get 0,7 unit, actually!
Hi guys, what do you think the best progression would be?
Quote from: valvo on Apr 25, 05:41 AM 2018
Hi guys, what do you think the best progression would be?
As I mentioned above post best progression for PA is flat bet 3 bets. After 9th or 10th hand. Worse loss is -3 units easy to recovery in 3 bets with optional progression and/or recovery bet increasing until ts to 2 times normal bet.
Just spent 5 hours at bm casino played 2 games on $100 tables waited for 10th hand one game and 11th hand the other and won them both on first step. Had I played after the 8th hand playing 1-2-4 I would be looking at a risk of 700 to make 100 with no guarantee of winning
So this is the way to play on big tables but you need to wait until 3rd repeat and the start of the 4th to increase you chance of success and reduce your risk
Overall made $210 in 5 hours playing 7 sessions of PA and PB with baccarat roulette and sicbo
Won them all and used flat betting
Cheers
Ricky
Andre have you seen my post about the Tie question ?
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Apr 24, 06:22 PM 2018
Nice Pattern is what i use in Baccarat too ;) !
please tell me what you will do in all Tie situations like these ones :
PBB PBB PB T : ( here you stop right ? And wait for another Trigger )
And
PBB PB PB B T : ( and here you ignore the T ? )
Thank you very much , and i am new to this forum i hope to talk to you soon in private message so that we can maybe share our thoughts and experiences.
Hi AndyCasino
First I think you have a type in the above highlighted example.
In terms of the tie this affects the pattern repeat so we ignore it. When betting and the tie appears Andre treats it as a loss and stops betting. Some players ignore i and continue betting as if it did not appear. I personally cover the tie bet once I have lost my first bet. This way I will profit from a tie situation. But if you lose all 3 bets covering the tie will increase your losses. When I flat bet I will most likely continue flat betting as my loss of all three bets is less than that if I use 1-2-4. So it does not impact much if you went on to lose all three bets
Cheers
Ricky
What do you all think about waiting a new shoe waiting the first hand and betting on the same result but avoid
the shoe when you see a Tie at the beggining
Example:
the shoe start " P " appear , Bet P
For three times with three steps 1-1-3
When loose wait the next shoe
and repeat the process 4-8-16 or 5-10-15 ( to recover the last lost )
But it's just an exemple you can bet the kind of amount you want for the three steps
link:s://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt
Winner for the 100 first shoe of wizardofodds.com
( i don't try to recover my lost with 2 shoes , because with 2 shoes i am looser example : Shoe 39 L , Shoe 40 W Shoe 41 L
and other example : Shoe 85 L , Shoe 86 W , Shoe 87 A Tie so i avoid , Shoe 88 L
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Apr 24, 06:22 PM 2018
Nice Pattern is what i use in Baccarat too ;) !
please tell me what you will do in all Tie situations like these ones :
PBB PBB PB T : ( here you stop right ? And wait for another Trigger )
And
PBB PB PB B T : ( and here you ignore the T ? )
Thank you very much , and i am new to this forum i hope to talk to you soon in private message so that we can maybe share our thoughts and experiences.
Welcome to the forum!
When I'm tracking and the Tie appears I stop and restart tracking.
When the Tie appears while I'm betting I treat it as a loss and stop betting. I NEVER ignore the Tie because it breaks the pattern. It affects the game.
Betting on Tie is the worst thing to do.
What progression are you using now Andre?
Quote from: valvo on Apr 25, 08:49 PM 2018
What progression are you using now Andre?
1, 2, 2 or
1, 1, 3 or
1, 2, 1
Sometimes I use 1, 2, 4
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Apr 25, 04:56 PM 2018
What do you all think about waiting a new shoe waiting the first hand and betting on the same result but avoid
the shoe when you see a Tie at the beggining
Example:
the shoe start " P " appear , Bet P
For three times with three steps 1-1-3
When loose wait the next shoe
and repeat the process 4-8-16 or 5-10-15 ( to recover the last lost )
But it's just an exemple you can bet the kind of amount you want for the three steps
link:s://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt
Winner for the 100 first shoe of wizardofodds.com
( i don't try to recover my lost with 2 shoes , because with 2 shoes i am looser example : Shoe 39 L , Shoe 40 W Shoe 41 L
and other example : Shoe 85 L , Shoe 86 W , Shoe 87 A Tie so i avoid , Shoe 88 L
Hi Andy
I see there are 1,000 shoes n the link that you posted. But
there is not the average of wins and losses using this strategy.
If I understand, we should wait for a new shoe.
If the first hand is Banker, we bet 3 times on Banker
If the first hand is Player, we bet 3 times on the Player
What if the first hand is Tie? We do not bet and we should wait for another new shoe?
How long have you been using this strategy ??
Please give more details. Thanks.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 25, 10:04 PM 2018
Hi Andy
I see there are 1,000 shoes n the link that you posted. But there is not the average of wins and losses using this strategy.
If I understand, we should wait for a new shoe.
If the first hand is Banker, we bet 3 times on Banker
If the first hand is Player, we bet 3 times on the Player
What if the first hand is Tie? We do not bet and we should wait for another new shoe?
How long have you been using this strategy ??
Please give more details. Thanks.
This strategy seems logical. Only way you can lose is by getting a shoe starting with BPPP or PBBB
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 26, 05:55 AM 2018
This strategy seems logical. Only way you can lose is by getting a shoe starting with BPPP or PBBB
cheers,
Ricky
I did some testing and This is a common occurrence the first hand is B and next 3 hands player and visa versa so this is not a rare event
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 26, 11:22 AM 2018
I did some testing and This is a common occurrence the first hand is B and next 3 hands player and visa versa so this is not a rare event
cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
I'm testing the strategy and waiting for a Andy reply.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 25, 10:04 PM 2018
Hi Andy
I see there are 1,000 shoes n the link that you posted. But there is not the average of wins and losses using this strategy.
If I understand, we should wait for a new shoe.
If the first hand is Banker, we bet 3 times on Banker
If the first hand is Player, we bet 3 times on the Player
What if the first hand is Tie? We do not bet and we should wait for another new shoe?
How long have you been using this strategy ??
Please give more details. Thanks.
Hi Andy
Do you have the avarage of wins and losses of 1.000 shoes?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 25, 10:04 PM 2018
Hi Andy
I see there are 1,000 shoes n the link that you posted. But there is not the average of wins and losses using this strategy.
If I understand, we should wait for a new shoe.
If the first hand is Banker, we bet 3 times on Banker
If the first hand is Player, we bet 3 times on the Player
What if the first hand is Tie? We do not bet and we should wait for another new shoe?
How long have you been using this strategy ??
Please give more details. Thanks.
Hello Andre
I have just did the test myself with these generated baccarat shoes one by one and in 200 shoe i am just looser on the 146 with
the 147 shoe.
Right now i don't use this strategy for the moment i am just doing some test to check if this is viable or not , i need to log
to my online casino to do more serious test analyzing this on real baccarat live table , but if you can try to check this strategy (without betting ) too when you are waiting for your pattern that can be cool ;)
Yea exactly you have understand very well the strategy and when a Tie appear just ignore this shoe and wait for the next one
when you loose try to recover the lost with the next shoe in one step not like the Pattern Breaker in two steps
But we can flat bet too with this strategy why not accepting the loss ?
1-1-1 or we can 1-1-2 if the strategy is viable why not betting big and leaving the casino for the day
I don't know what do you think Rickee and Andre ? Maybe i need to send a private message to Ignatus to do some test ?
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Apr 26, 03:13 PM 2018
Hello Andre
I have just did the test myself with these generated baccarat shoes one by one and in 200 shoe i am just looser on the 146 with
the 147 shoe.
Right now i don't use this strategy for the moment i am just doing some test to check if this is viable or not , i need to log
to my online casino to do more serious test analyzing this on real baccarat live table , but if you can try to check this strategy (without betting ) too when you are waiting for your pattern that can be cool ;)
Yea exactly you have understand very well the strategy and when a Tie appear just ignore this shoe and wait for the next one
when you loose try to recover the lost with the next shoe in one step not like the Pattern Breaker in two steps
But we can flat bet too with this strategy why not accepting the loss ?
1-1-1 or we can 1-1-2 if the strategy is viable why not betting big and leaving the casino for the day
I don't know what do you think Rickee and Andre ? Maybe i need to send a private message to Ignatus to do some test ?
Andy
I'm doing some testes with real money n live baccarat and it's going pretty well. I'm using 1, 2, 4 progression.
I think betting big (hit and run) is a good idea.
I didn't understand what do you mean above.
I'll try to analyze the 1000 shoes manually but it will take hours or days.
The strategy is working great until now.
Andre i am very happy that it works for you for the moment.
What i wanted to say is that for the first 200 shoes of this website : link:s://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt
I am only a looser on the Shoe 146-147 because when two shoes are not winner in a row we got a loss , and we are not able to recover the loss of the first shoe.
Example :
Shoe 1 start " P " appear and then B B B = L
Shoe 2 start " B appear " and then P B = W we have recover the lost
_________
Shoe 3 start " P " appear and then B B B = L
Shoe 4 start " B appear and then P P P = L
Double loss = Loosing session
First step 1 - 1 - 3
Second step if we loose the first shoe then for the next we can bet 5 - 10 - 15 to recover the loss
... in the shoe 146 - 147 we have this situation of double loss
But the system can be improve feel free to add more rules or remove rules and to add other progressions :)
Cheer :)
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 22, 12:52 AM 2018
Current Online play handshuffled Killing it with PA
Cheers
Ricky
ricky and Andre,
analyzing your data I got these conclusions:
with a winning rate of 18:1 PA is obviously a winner.
In this sample, out of 74 attacks, we win
-44 times at first attempt (60%)
-17. 2nd. (23%)
-9. 3rd. (12%)
-4. busted. ( 5%)
you will notice that the "anomaly " is on the first attempt that has a higher winning rate, above avg of 50%.
I tried many progressions, playing each decision as long, neverending shoe.
The overall ratio of wins and losses is 60:40 and this is absolutely positive. Any prog come out as winner, in the end but the best stay the old 1-2-4.
For comparison:
1-2-4 +43
1-1-2. +36
1-1-3. +33
1-2-2. +32
1-1-1. +23
These is the math.
I noticed that the 1st attempt winnings sometimes come in waves; after a run of these ones, I suggest change slightly the prog to take advantage of winnings at 2nd and 3rd attempt.
A
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Apr 26, 03:48 PM 2018
Andre i am very happy that it works for you for the moment.
What i wanted to say is that for the first 200 shoes of this website : link:s://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt
I am only a looser on the Shoe 146-147 because when two shoes are not winner in a row we got a loss , and we are not able to recover the loss of the first shoe.
Example :
Shoe 1 start " P " appear and then B B B = L
Shoe 2 start " B appear " and then P B = W we have recover the lost
_________
Shoe 3 start " P " appear and then B B B = L
Shoe 4 start " B appear and then P P P = L
Double loss = Loosing session
First step 1 - 1 - 3
Second step if we loose the first shoe then for the next we can bet 5 - 10 - 15 to recover the loss
... in the shoe 146 - 147 we have this situation of double loss
But the system can be improve feel free to add more rules or remove rules and to add other progressions :)
Cheer :)
By the law of figures, you should lose 1 time out of 8 (7 wins vs 1 loss)
back to back losses should appear 1 out 64 times
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Hi Andrebac
thank you for your analysis
Ricky , Andre Chass , and AndreBac i have tried something new on real baccarat shoe permanence
these shoes came from this website : link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10016.0
New rules : Flat Bet only three times with 1 unit = 1-1-1 Following the result of the First hand
Example : the Shoe start "B" appear we should now bet 3 times like this B B B
here we go:
1 BPPBBBBPPPPPBBBBBTPBBBBPTPTPPBBBBBPPBPBB = -1
TBTBBBBTBPBPPPPBTTBBBPBBPBBBBPBBTPBBPBPBTP
2 PPPPPBBBBTPPPPPBTPBBBBTPBBTBTPBPPPBBBPBB = +2
PBBBPPPPBBPBBPPBPPPPTPBBPTBBPBPBBBPPPPPPPB
3 BBBBPTBBBPPBBBBBPBPPPBBBBBPBBPBBBPBBPBBB = +5
BBPPBBBPBBBPBBPBBTBPBPBPPPPPPBBBBBT
4 PBBBBPBPBBPTBBBBBPPTPTBBBPPPPBPBPBPPBTBPB = +2
BBBBPPPBPTBBBBBTPPPBBBBTBPPBBPPBBBBBPTPP
5 PPPPTPPBBPPBPBPTPBTBPBBBBBPPBBPPPBPBPP = + 5
TBPBPBBPTPPBBPBBBBPBPPPTPBPPBBBBBTBBBT
6 PBBBPBPBPTTPPPBBBBBPTPBBBBBBPBBTPPBBBP = + 2
BPPTPBBPBTPBBPBBBBPPPBTBPTPBPPBBBBTBBBP
7 TBPPBBBPBBBBPBBBBPBPBPBBBPPBBBPBPPPPPPB = Ignore this Tie
BBPBPPPBBBPPTTBBPBBPPBBPPBPPBPPBBBBPPBB
8 BBBBPPPBPPPPTPPPPPBBBTBPPBPTPBBBBBPPBBP = +5
PPPBBBBPPPBPBPBPBBBPBPBBBPBBPBBBPBBTBBT
9 PPBPTPBPPBBPPPPPPPPPPBPBPBBPPBPPPBPBBBBTB = +6
BBPPBPPPBPPPBPPBTBPPPBPPPBBBBBPBBPBBTBBB
10 PPBPPTBBPPBBPPPPBBTBPPPTPPPBPTBBBBPBBBB = + 7
PPTPBTPPPBPPBPTTPPTPPBPPBTPBBBBBBPBTBPBB
11 PBBBBBBBPPPPBTPBTPPTBPPPBBPPBBBPPTBBPPBB = +4
BTPBBBBBBPPBPPTPPBBPBBBPPBPBBPBPBTPP
12 PBPPBPPPPBPBBPPPTBBPPBBPPPTPPPBPPBBTPBPPP = + 5
BPPPPPBBPBBBPPBBPPBBPPPBBPBBBBBPB
13 BTTPPPPPBPBPPBPBBTBPBTTPBBBTPPBPTPBTBBTBB = + 2
PBBPPPBPBPPPBPPPPBPPBPBBBBBPBPPBPPBBBP
14 BBPBPPTBBBBTBPPBBBBBPBPBPBBBTBPPPPBBBBPB = + 3
TPBPPPBBBPPBPPPPBBBPTBBBPBPBBBBPPPPPPBBB
15 BBBPPBPPPBTTPBPPBBPPBPBPPPBPPBPBPPBPBBBBP = +4
PBBBPBBBBBPPBPBPBBPBTBPBTBBBBBPBPPBBBPTB
16 PPPBBTBBPBBBBBPPPBPTPPBBBPPBBBPPPBPPBBPPP = +5
BPPPPTPTPPPBPPPBPBBPBPPPBBBBBBPBBBBBTB
17 BPBTBPPPPPBBBBPBPBBPPBPBBBPBPPBPPPBPBBPTP = +6
PBBBPBTBBBPTTTBBBBPBPPPPBBPPPPBPPPBB
18 PPBPTTPTPPBPBBPBBBBPTBBBPTPPBTBBPBPBBBBPT = + 7
PPBBPPBBPBTPBBBPBPBPBBBPPBBP
19 PPTTPPBBPBTBPPTBBBPBBBBBBBPBPPBBPBBPTBPBP = +10
PBTBBBPPBPPPPTTPTTPTPBPPTTBTBPPPPBBBBPBP
20 BPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBTTTTPPBBPTTPBPPBBBPBPBPPT = + 11
BPPBBBBTPTBBPPPBPPPPBPTPTBBPPBBBBBPPBPB
21 BTPPPBPPBPPPBPBTBBBBPBBTBPTBBBBBBBTPBPPPP = + 8
BBPPPPTBBTBPBTPPBPPPBBPBBBTBTBPPBBPPBB
22 PBBBPBPPPBBBTPPBPBBPBPPPPPPPBBBTPBBBBBPPP = + 5
PBBPBBBBPPPBPPBPBBPPBPBBBPPTBBPBBPPTBPBP
23 BPBPBPBPBBBBBBTBPBBPPPBPTBBBPPPPTBPPBPPTP = +4
PPPTPBBTPBPBPBPPBBPPTBBBBPTPBBPBBTTBBPBTB
24 PPPBBBPBBPBBBBTBBPBBPBPPBPPPBBPPBPPPBBBPB = + 5
BBPBPPPBBBTBBBTBBBPBB
25 PTBBPBPPPPBPPBBPTBPTBPBBPTPPBBPPPBPBPBPTTP = + 4
BBPBBPBPBBPPPBPBTBBBBPPPBBBBBBBPBBP
26 BBBBBPPBBPPPPPBBPTBBTPTPBPPPBPBPPPBPBPBBT = + 7
PPPPBPPBBBTPBPPPPPBBBPPPPBBPPPBPB
27 TTBBBBBTBPTBPBBPPPPBBPBBTPPPPBBTPBBTPBTPP = Ignore Tie
BPBPBBPPTBBBBBPPBPPBTPBTBBPPBPBBBPB
28 BBPBPPPBTBPPBPBPPPPBTTPPBBPBPTBBBPBBPPPBP = + 8
BPPBBBPBBPTBPBPPPPTBBBBBPPBTBBPTBPBBPPTBPT
29 BBPBBTPTPBBBPPBPPBBBTBBPBBPBBBBPPTPBPBBPP = + 9
PPPBPPBBTBPPPBPBPBBPBPBPBPBBPPBPPBPBPPP
30 PPBTBPPPPTBBBBTBPTBBPBPTTPBPPBBPBBBPBTBPB = + 8
PBPPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBBTPPBTPPBPBBBPBBBBPBB
31 PBBPBPTPPPPPPBBPBPBBBPBTPBPPPBPTPBBPBPBPPB = +7
BPBBBBTPPPBPTBPBPTBTBPPPPBPPBBPBBBPPT
32 TTBPPPBBBBPPPPPTTPPPBBPPBBBBBPPPPTTBTTBPPTP = Ignore Tie
PBBBPBTPBPBBPBPBPBPBTPBBPTBBBPTPPP
33 BBBBPTBBBBPPPTBBBBPBBBBBBPBPBPBTPPPPTPPBBP = +10
PTPBBBPBBBPBPBBPBBBBPBBTBPBTPPPPPPBBP
34 PPPBBBPPBBPPBBBBPBTBPPPBPBBPPPTPBTBBBBPBPBP = +11
BPPBPTBBBPBBPPBPPPPPBBPBBBB
35 BBPBBPBBBPPPBBTPBTPPBBBPPPBPBBBBBBBTPPPBT = + 12
BBBBPBPPBBBPBBTBPBBBBBBBPBBPPPBTBPBBPPB
36 PBBBBPTBBTPBPPBPBBPBPPPBPBPBPPBPPBBPPPPPPT = +9
BBBPBBBBBBPPBPPPBPBBBPBPPPBTBPTPBBTP
37 BPPPPPBPBBPBPBPPTPBBBPBPPPBBBPPPPBPBPBBBPT = +6
BBPPPBPBPPBTBPPPBPBPBPPBTBP
38 BTPBBPBPBBPPPPPTBBPBBBBBBPBPBBPTPPBPBPBPPP = + 7
BBBBBBBBPPPPBBBPPBPBBBPBPPPBBPTPTPBBT
39 BBTPBTPTPPBTBPBPBBPBPBBPPPBPBPBBBPBPBBBPPT = + 8
PBPTPTBTBPBPPPPBBPPBBBBPPTBPPBPPBBPB
40 PPPBBBTBBTPBPBBTPPBPBPBBPBBPBPBBPBPBBPTPTP = + 9
PTPPPTBBBPPPBBTBBBBBBBBBBPBBBPPBTPPPPB
41 PBPPPBPTBBBBTPBPTTBBBPPBPBPPTBPPPBPPPBBBPP = + 10
BBBBPBBTPPPBPPPPBBTPBBPBBBBPBBBBPBBPPB
42 BPPBBBBBPPPBPBTPBBBTPBTPPTBBPBBBBPBTBPBPP = + 9
TTBTPBBPPBTBPPBBPBBBBPBTTPPPPBBBPPPBB
43 PBBPPPBBPPBBPPBPPBBPBBBPBBTBBBBBBPPPPPBBB = + 8
BPTBBBTPPTBBPPPBTBPBPPPPBBPPPPBPPPBBP
44 BBBTPTPPBPPBTTBBPPTTBBPPBBPTPPBBTPBPBBPPP = + 9
PPTBPBPPBPPBBPPPPBPPBBPTPBTPBBBPPBBPBB
45 PPBTBPBPBPBBBPBBBTTPBBBBBPPBPPBPTPTTTPPBB = + 8
PPBPPPTBPTBBBPTPPPBBPPBPPPPPBBBB
46 PBBPPPPPBBBTTBPPPPPBPBBPBTPTPBBBBBPBTPPPP = + 7
BPPBTBPTBPBBBPBBBPPPBPPBPPTBPBPBPBBBPB
47 TBPPBBPBPTBBPBPBPBBPPBPPTPBPPPPPBPPBPBBBB = Ignore TIE
BPPBPPBBPPTBBBBPBBBTTPBPPPBBBPBBPBPTBBT
48 PPPPPBPPBBPPBBPPPBTPPPPPBBPBPBBBPBBTPBBPB = + 10
BBBBPPPBPBPBPBBBPBBPPBPPBBBPBBBTPTBPBPBBB
49 BPPBTPTBBBPPPTPTTBPPBBPBBPPBPPPPTBBBBPTBPP = + 9
BBBBPBBPTTPPPBPPBBPPTPPBBPPPPTPTPPTPPT
50 PBBPPBTBBPBTPBPBPPBPBPBPBBTTBBBBBBBBBPBBB = + 8
PBPBBBPBBBBPPPPPPBBTBPPPPPPPBBPPBPBPPTB
Still in profit ;) + 8 i need more test but it's not too risky for the BR ahah ;)
And
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 27, 01:11 AM 2018
ricky and Andre,
analyzing your data I got these conclusions:
with a winning rate of 18:1 PA is obviously a winner.
In this sample, out of 74 attacks, we win
-44 times at first attempt (60%)
-17. 2nd. (23%)
-9. 3rd. (12%)
-4. busted. ( 5%)
you will notice that the "anomaly " is on the first attempt that has a higher winning rate, above avg of 50%.
I tried many progressions, playing each decision as long, neverending shoe.
The overall ratio of wins and losses is 60:40 and this is absolutely positive. Any prog come out as winner, in the end but the best stay the old 1-2-4.
For comparison:
1-2-4 +43
1-1-2. +36
1-1-3. +33
1-2-2. +32
1-1-1. +23
These is the math.
I noticed that the 1st attempt winnings sometimes come in waves; after a run of these ones, I suggest change slightly the prog to take advantage of winnings at 2nd and 3rd attempt.
A
Hi A
Are these results using Andres original post on page 1?
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 27, 01:11 AM 2018
ricky and Andre,
analyzing your data I got these conclusions:
with a winning rate of 18:1 PA is obviously a winner.
In this sample, out of 74 attacks, we win
-44 times at first attempt (60%)
-17. 2nd. (23%)
-9. 3rd. (12%)
-4. busted. ( 5%)
you will notice that the "anomaly " is on the first attempt that has a higher winning rate, above avg of 50%.
I tried many progressions, playing each decision as long, neverending shoe.
The overall ratio of wins and losses is 60:40 and this is absolutely positive. Any prog come out as winner, in the end but the best stay the old 1-2-4.
For comparison:
1-2-4 +43
1-1-2. +36
1-1-3. +33
1-2-2. +32
1-1-1. +23
These is the math.
I noticed that the 1st attempt winnings sometimes come in waves; after a run of these ones, I suggest change slightly the prog to take advantage of winnings at 2nd and 3rd attempt.
A
Hi andrebac
Thank you for posting the results.
But I dont know which data you analyzed.
74 sessions, 70 wins and 4 losses. That's right?
60:40 What it means?
Can you be more specific?
Thanks
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Apr 27, 04:36 PM 2018
Hi Andrebac
thank you for your analysis
Ricky , Andre Chass , and AndreBac i have tried something new on real baccarat shoe permanence
these shoes came from this website : link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10016.0
New rules : Flat Bet only three times with 1 unit = 1-1-1 Following the result of the First hand
Example : the Shoe start "B" appear we should now bet 3 times like this B B B
Still in profit ;) + 8 i need more test but it's not too risky for the BR ahah ;)
Hi Andy
I'm still testing the strategy and it's going pretty well.
I'm using 3 steps progression 1, 2, 1
It's hard to get 2 losses in a row.
I'm playing both strategies tracking 6 tables at the same time.
I'm thinking something else to improve the strategy.
I think the flatbetting 1, 1, 1 is not a good idea because you break even a lot.
And I realized most of the wins come from 1th and 2th step.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 27, 09:01 PM 2018
Hi Andy
I'm still testing the strategy and it's going pretty well.
I'm using 3 steps progression 1, 2, 1
It's hard to get 2 losses in a row.
I'm playing both strategies tracking 6 tables at the same time.
I'm thinking something else to improve the strategy.
I think the flatbetting 1, 1, 1 is not a good idea because you break even a lot.
And I realized most of the wins come from 1th and 2th step.
Hi Andre
I am very happy and i'm impatient to know your thoughts about how to improve the strategy.
What do you mean by playing both strategy ? Are you talking about my private message about the BBP pattern ?
;)
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Apr 27, 10:02 PM 2018
Hi Andre
I am very happy and i'm impatient to know your thoughts about how to improve the strategy.
What do you mean by playing both strategy ? Are you talking about my private message about the BBP pattern ?
;)
Andy
The first change is to use 3 step progression 1 ,2, 1 as I said before. Flatbetting is not a good idea. Well, Im still working on it trying to improve the strategy. But the original is ok until now.
Both strategies: Pattern Attack strategy and SOS strategy (start of shoe)... lol
I've tested BBP but I didn't have good results so it's better forget it.
SOS Strategy sound very good haha nice name , please keep me updated about everything ;)
Quote from: valvo on Apr 27, 05:00 PM 2018
AndHi A
Are these results using Andres original post on page 1?
this data came from the last update from ricky on day apr, 22th
I think they are played as AC showed in his P.A. explanation
Not sure what you mean. The results you posted are as played on the very first post on this thread?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 27, 08:51 PM 2018
Hi andrebac
Thank you for posting the results.
But I dont know which data you analyzed.
74 sessions, 70 wins and 4 losses. That's right?
60:40 What it means?
Can you be more specific?
Thanks
-this data came from ricky, the last update released on apr, 22th
-60:40 means that, developing the wins and losses, as they are played, you win 60% of played decisions
IE: a win at second attempt means -+, a win at first attempt means +, a win at 3rd attempt means --+. You build a loss/win permanence with these values. In the permanence I got from these datas I have a winning rate of 60% against a theoretical "due" of 50%.
Quote from: valvo on Apr 28, 12:48 AM 2018
Not sure what you mean. The results you posted are as played on the very first post on this thread?
these data came from ricky, IMO they are played as explained
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 27, 01:11 AM 2018oticed that the 1st attempt winnings sometimes come in waves; after a run of these ones, I suggest change slightly the prog to take advantage of winnings at 2nd and 3rd attempt.
Hi andrebac,
Thanks for your analysis. This strategy is definitely a winner played with discipline. You need lots of patience too. Progression will depend on bankroll and whether you have been on a winning streak and can afford to risk 4 units on the 3rd step. Sometimes its not worth taking the risk as you can recover the loss in next 3 games.
I am also using this strategy together with PB on my casino visits. I now play in the Baccarat rooms with a minimum table of $100. I need a bankroll of around $700 but have not yet risked that much. I have resorted to flat betting but waiting for 9 or 10 hands before committing to betting. If I get many opportunities on the night I will wait for 10 or 11 hands before flat betting $100 for 2 attempts. On one occasion I lost on 2nd steps with a TIE so stopped betting and only conceded the first bet loss.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: andrebac on Apr 28, 12:49 AM 2018
-this data came from ricky, the last update released on apr, 22th
-60:40 means that, developing the wins and losses, as they are played, you win 60% of played decisions
IE: a win at second attempt means -+, a win at first attempt means +, a win at 3rd attempt means --+. You build a loss/win permanence with these values. In the permanence I got from these datas I have a winning rate of 60% against a theoretical "due" of 50%.
Here is my latest stats.
I have now starting including SOS. For this method I am using 5 euro base bets and 1-3-1 progression.
If wins come on 1st or 2nd step I will win 5 or 10 euro respectively.
If I win on 3rd step I am down 3 units or 15 euro.
If I lose all 3 then I am down 25 euro.
I am using recovery for SOS of 2-4-8 hoping not to get back to back losses.
Currently SOS is 8-3, PA is 83-3 1 TIE
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 28, 07:02 AM 2018
Here is my latest stats.
I have now starting including SOS. For this method I am using 5 euro base bets and 1-3-1 progression.
If wins come on 1st or 2nd step I will win 5 or 10 euro respectively.
If I win on 3rd step I am down 3 units or 15 euro.
If I lose all 3 then I am down 25 euro.
I am using recovery for SOS of 2-4-8 hoping not to get back to back losses.
Currently SOS is 8-3, PA is 83-3 1 TIE
Hi Ricky,
83-3 amazing!
Great results! Pattern Attack has proven to be a winner. My bankroll is growing up every day.
I've been playing SOS and Im having good results using the progression 1, 2, 1.
I realized that most of the wins come 1st and 2nd step.
Currently which progression are you using to play Pattern Attack?
Which SOS Version are you using with good result: B and the 3 times B or B and 3 times P?
Thanks
Hex
Quote from: hexfex82 on Apr 28, 02:34 PM 2018
Which SOS Version are you using with good result: B and the 3 times B or B and 3 times P?
Thanks
Hex
There's only one version.
Shoe start B bet B B B
Shoe start P bet P P P
I suggest 1, 2, 1 progression
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 28, 02:14 PM 2018
Hi Ricky,
83-3 amazing!
Great results! Pattern Attack has proven to be a winner. My bankroll is growing up every day.
I've been playing SOS and Im having good results using the progression 1, 2, 1.
I realized that most of the wins come 1st and 2nd step.
Currently which progression are you using to play Pattern Attack?
Hi Andre,
I must admit SOS is so far proving to hold. I am sure this is luck as there is 1 in 8 chance of losing. After a few initial losses during my testing I decided to start taking stats together with PA. I am now at 16W 2L with SOS.
Progression being used is 1-3-1 with a 2-4-8 recovery session next shoe to recover most of loss.
Now with PA I have decided to start FLAT BETTING 1-1-1 but am waiting 9 hands before betting. I am using 50 euro bets. So max loss is 150. Not covering tie.
As mentioned previously in BM casino I will do 2 games playing $100 base bets but will wait for conditions to be really good so wait 10 hands before betting. That's a 3 1/3 repeat of BPP or PBB
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Andre and Ricky
Ricky it's very interesting so for the SOS " I am now at 16W 2L with SOS." for the 2L are you talking about Double Loss ?
PA for me it's HG , why not betting big on PA to build a Balance , using the "money of the casino " against the casino ;)
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Apr 28, 04:32 PM 2018
Hi Andre and Ricky
Ricky it's very interesting so for the SOS " I am now at 16W 2L with SOS." for the 2L are you talking about Double Loss ?
PA for me it's HG , why not betting big on PA to build a Balance , using the "money of the casino " against the casino ;)
You are right AndyCasinoK, if you classify a loss as a double loss I have not had one of these but I am not at the stage to trust the sort or recovery you have mentioned. So I treat each loss on one shoe as a loss and then try to recover half in the next shoe.
With PA 50 euro is big for me with 650 euro balance. I started playing PA nearly 2 months ago with 300 euro. I got up to 970 euro recently but had a loss playing 50 euro base bets which set me back 200 euro. So am a bit cautious these days to up my bets and call this a HG. But as Andre said, it seems to win more times than it loses. Lets see if SOS matches my run after 100 games. So far going in the right direction. After the 100 game test I will reevaluate progression and recovery to see if we can take advantage of it not showing back to back losses. But for me when a method has 1 in 8 chance of losing like Pattern Breaker, the risk is there to get back to back losses.
Question, what do you do if you get LT? do you ignore and repeat step 2 or do you stop with a loss or treat as a lost and go to step 3 with your next progression?
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 28, 04:43 PM 2018
You are right AndyCasinoK, if you classify a loss as a double loss I have not had one of these but I am not at the stage to trust the sort or recovery you have mentioned. So I treat each loss on one shoe as a loss and then try to recover half in the next shoe.
With PA 50 euro is big for me with 650 euro balance. I started playing PA nearly 2 months ago with 300 euro. I got up to 970 euro recently but had a loss playing 50 euro base bets which set me back 200 euro. So am a bit cautious these days to up my bets and call this a HG. But as Andre said, it seems to win more times than it loses. Lets see if SOS matches my run after 100 games. So far going in the right direction. After the 100 game test I will reevaluate progression and recovery to see if we can take advantage of it not showing back to back losses. But for me when a method has 1 in 8 chance of losing like Pattern Breaker, the risk is there to get back to back losses.
Question, what do you do if you get LT? do you ignore and repeat step 2 or do you stop with a loss or treat as a lost and go to step 3 with your next progression?
Cheers,
Ricky
Ignore and Repeat Step 2
Example : Shoe start "B" appear and then PTPB
P = L go to step 2 , T = Push ignore it and stay at step 2 P = Step 2 Lost here , B = Win at step 3
Pattern Attack ® - HG
How this strategy became my HG.
1- I play for a living. I don't have another job.
2- I have 24 hours a day to study the game, to analyze the shoes, to wait for the best moment to bet.
3- I don't bet big. Currently my bet is 15, 30, 15
4- I treat it like my business. And every business has its risk. You have to have enough time to take care of your business.
5- Analyze the shoes. Don't bet every trigger. Each shoe has its own characteristic. You have to figure out which shoe is the best for betting at the moment. You have to analyze which shoe is the best one to bet. Sometimes the trigger appears but it's not the appropriate shoe to bet.
6- Never forget that casinos like impatient and undisciplined players. 99% of players are losers. Be part of the 1%.
7- I play for about 8 hours a day. Most of these hours I go through analyzing the shoes and waiting to bet when all conditions are favorable.
8- Build your bankroll and increase your bets gradually. Set a stop loss and a stop win.
If you do not have enough time to play, if you do not have the patience to wait and if you want to get rich from day to night, do not use this strategy.
Casinos do not win, you lose!
Ricky.... do u still play pattern breaker...whats the results? :question:
Quote from: viclimks on Apr 28, 11:52 PM 2018
Ricky.... do u still play pattern breaker...whats the results? :question:
Hi viclimks,
As you may know I have developed an automated system for playing roulette based on RX BOT and Pattern Breaker is my main method I use with this system. I have others which I am developing and always searching for good candidates to allow my system to play. This is the ultimate way to play as you are then free to to get on with life while your system is working for you.
Unfortunately, Pattern Breaker in its current form does not lend itself to playing continuously and is best played hit and run. So its not my main system I play.
Baccarat has been shown to be much easier to tame as a casino game and PATTERN ATTACK is one method we can use to be a more reliable winner. Unfortunately, Noone has developed a BX BOT to play the online casino Baccarat games. So I must spend the time to build my bankroll.
However, I still play PATTERN BREAKER while I am waiting for the PATTERN ATTACK trigger and am working on a solution to make PATTERN BREAKER as reliable as PATTERN ATTACK. Once I have completed several hundred games I will release my results and divulge the solution. But all I can say is I have ditched the Martingale based progression and am using FLAT BETTING.
Cheers,
Ricky
Pattern Breaker what?
What a guess game joke!
Give me some reason to wait for the 7th pattern and to bet against the 8th pattern.
Statistics? NO. Probabilities? NO.
Dont make me laugh... No amateur here please
And don't reply cause I'll not discuss that bullshit.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 29, 04:38 AM 2018
Pattern Breaker what?
What a guess game joke!
Give me some reason to wait for the 7th pattern and to bet against the 8th pattern.
Statistics? NO. Probabilities? NO.
Dont make me laugh... No amateur here please
And don't reply cause I'll not discuss that bullshit.
Very true no reason to wait.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 29, 04:38 AM 2018
Pattern Breaker what?
What a guess game joke!
Give me some reason to wait for the 7th pattern and to bet against the 8th pattern.
Statistics? NO. Probabilities? NO.
Dont make me laugh... No amateur here please
And don't reply cause I'll not discuss that bullshit.
Give one reason why you think PA would would work?
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 29, 01:22 AM 2018
Unfortunately, Pattern Breaker in its current form does not lend itself to playing continuously and is best played hit and run. So its not my main system I play.
Hi Ricky
You obviously have good coding skills. Congrats on that!
May I kindly ask why do you think existence of so called "hit and" cant be simulated or tested using computer simulation? Is that a glitch or loophole in randomness for you?
Thanks
Drazen
Quote from: Winner on Apr 29, 02:26 PM 2018
Give one reason why you think PA would would work?
Please read my previous posts.
And if you don't believe the strategy works, go to another thread. Thanks
Sorry my overreacting about PB. Too much wine at a party... lol
But I don't like the strategy because It has no sense, and here it's not its thread.
Just an update on PATTERN ATTACK stats. Almost completed my first 100 games
W L Tie
PATTERN ATTACK 85 3 1
SOS 33 5
Given the high success rate I am exploring the following progression for my next 100 games
I will FLAT BET for 3 steps after the 8th hand forms the pattern
I will do the same for SOS
If I get a 1st step win I will use a parlay 1-2-4-3 progression for the next 3 games.
If I lose any step I will reset bet back to 1 unit
eg Game 1 bet 10 euro
If 1st Step win next game bet 20 euro
If 1st Step win next game bet 40 euro
If 1st Step win next game bet 30 euro
If 1st Step win next game reset back to 10 euro
This will allow a parlay of wins using casino money and take profit on the 4th game
If win all 4 games on 1st step then win will be 10+20+40+30=100 euro
If loss on any step then only lost 10 euro max
May decide to use 1-1-2-4-3 to allow for break even on any loss after first game.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 29, 03:02 PM 2018
Please read my previous posts.
And if you don't believe the strategy works, go to another thread. Thanks
Previous post?
What's interesting in life is that you have experience in what ever let's say 30 plus years in something and you know better and you try to share your experience with someone but it does matter because what you say until they experience it for them self it makes no difference. But this is life .
Unless you get punch in the face. You will nevere know what it feels like.
This game called roulette it will punch you in the face eventually it will hurt and it will make you so humble that you will not engage in combat with it and have the most respect for it so be care full .
Quote from: Winner on Apr 29, 09:31 PM 2018
What's interesting in life is that you have experience in what ever let's say 30 plus years in something and you know better and you try to share your experience with someone but it does matter because what you say until they experience it for them self it makes no difference. But this is life .
Unless you get punch in the face. You will nevere know what it feels like.
This game called roulette it will punch you in the face eventually it will hurt and it will make you so humble that you will not engage in combat with it and have the most respect for it so be care full .
Roulette system play is simple and very popular but won't bring the success that people seek. 30 yrs from now system player go backwards from the starting line.
Advantage play requires brains and hard work that pays handsomely but nobody likes that.
Andre, is PPBBPBBPB a bet PBBPBBPB?
Quote from: Winner on Apr 29, 09:31 PM 2018
What's interesting in life is that you have experience in what ever let's say 30 plus years in something and you know better and you try to share your experience with someone but it does matter because what you say until they experience it for them self it makes no difference. But this is life .
Unless you get punch in the face. You will nevere know what it feels like.
This game called roulette it will punch you in the face eventually it will hurt and it will make you so humble that you will not engage in combat with it and have the most respect for it so be care full .
That's why we play Baccarat. Its easier to tame this beast. Randomness and variance are much less during a shoe vs each spin of the wheel. So far this amateur is up 760 euro in 2 months. I have never made this much profit in such short time playing part time with relatively small bets. Imagine what I will be able to achieve once my bankroll reaches the '000s
PS. Roulette can be exploited. I'm working on that also. ;)
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi guys,
I'm back. I had a little stomach problem but I'm fine.
First of all I want to say that I've opened this topic to help and get help to improve the strategy. I'm not arrogant and I'm not better than anyone else. When I said "no amateurs here" I was just kidding. So stop being assholes and don't be angry with me... Lol.
Life has already punched my face several times like roulette did.
Do not compare roulette with Baccarat. As Ricky said before randomness and variance are much less during a shoe vs each spin of the wheel.
I'll not control the thread so feel free to talk about PB. But keep in mind that I'll not comment it because I don't like it
Well, let's go to the point
Pattern Attack is still in testing and working well.
I'm using 1, 2, 1 progression and my bankroll keep growing up.
I've been testing SOS using the same progression and doing well.
I realized the most wins come from 1th and 2th step.
I'm not asking anyone to believe it. Just believe it or not. Test it for yourself.
And let's have some sense of humor, please...lol
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 01, 04:16 PM 2018
Hi guys,
I'm back. I had a little stomach problem but I'm fine.
First of all I want to say that I've opened this topic to help and get help to improve the strategy. I'm not arrogant and I'm not better than anyone else. When I said "no amateurs here" I was just kidding. So stop being assholes and don't be angry with me... Lol.
Life has already punched my face several times like roulette did.
Do not compare roulette with Baccarat. As Ricky said before randomness and variance are much less during a shoe vs each spin of the wheel.
I'll not control the thread so feel free to talk about PB. But keep in mind that I'll not comment it because I don't like it
Well, let's go to the point
Pattern Attack is still in testing and working well.
I'm using 1, 2, 1 progression and my bankroll keep growing up.
I've been testing SOS using the same progression and doing well.
I realized the most wins come from 1th and 2th step.
I'm not asking anyone to believe it. Just believe it or not. Test it for yourself.
And let's have some sense of humor, please...lol
Cheers
Hi Andre,
Welcome back. Hope you are feeling better.
Ok I have almost completed my 100 game PATTERN ATTACK and have now started using SOS but not using the Progression and Recovery mentioned by AndyCasino.
I have reached my first milestone of
1,085â,¬My experience over the last two months has convinced me to ditch the negative progression approach to playing these strategies. Although you could argue that PATTERN ATTACK barley loses, but when it does get into a losing situation or even ALMOST losing situation you end up having to change your underwear or buy a new laptop. I had another close call this week and convinced myself to bet another 240 euro to the 4th step. I got out of jail with a 20 euro loss but $hit my pants in the meantime.
With Andre's permission I am mentioning my stats for PATTERN BREAKER in this update so you can compare the results and betting opportunities we would expect playing the two systems. As mentioned previously I am testing a strategy based on PB which can also be applied to PATTERN ATTACK and SOS which involves a positive progression. I will reveal the results and strategy in another thread when I have completed several hundred games. But I will only reveal my bankroll balance and games won/lost in this thread. In the sheet you will notice I won many PB games with a "0" step. This indicates I actually won without going to the 8th pattern. I'll reveal how in another thread but this contributed 409 euro to my profit and helped offset my losses.
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Cheers,
Ricky
Good job, Ricky!
Currently the best way to play PA is
PBB PBB PB bet PBP
BPP BPP PB bet BPB
Using 3 step progression:
1, 2, 4 or
1, 2, 3 or
1, 2, 2 or
1, 2, 1 etc
We are open for new suggestions and ideas, of course.
You want parlaying in a winning streak... But I think you doing it using Pattern Attack is not the easiest way.
As I said before the best way parlay progression is get a P/B, R/B streak.
Ex: PPPPPPPP or BBBBBBB (Baccarat) and RRRRRRRR or BBBBBBB (Roulette) What you want to do works better playing roulette and it doesn't work long term.
Imho
But it has nothing to do with Pattern Attack...
Some members of this forum can confirm what I'm saying to you.
Well, do your tests and post the results here.
Cheers
Ricky,
checking your SOS stats, 51 vs 9 losses, I realized you are still winning, under avg.
I mean that you should have won 52/53 attacks instead of 51. If you are still making money with it, IMO you should face a nice run of wins, in a short time, to balance the avg.
A
Hi Ricky and Hi Andre Chass
Thank you very much for all your update , i am very happy and i will soon play PA at my online casino 5-10-15 , daily goals 3~5 win.
Andre Chass maybe we can have a second SOS Strategy this one you can call it "SOS JUMPER "
The rules : Shoe Start = P bet P One time if lose change shoe ,
Shoe start again = B bet B one time if lose again change shoe etc till you win
Progression 1-2-1 or as you want
What do you think ?
Quote from: Ricky on May 01, 06:51 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
Welcome back. Hope you are feeling better.
Ok I have almost completed my 100 game PATTERN ATTACK and have now started using SOS but not using the Progression and Recovery mentioned by AndyCasino.
I have reached my first milestone of 1,085â,¬
My experience over the last two months has convinced me to ditch the negative progression approach to playing these strategies. Although you could argue that PATTERN ATTACK barley loses, but when it does get into a losing situation or even ALMOST losing situation you end up having to change your underwear or buy a new laptop. I had another close call this week and convinced myself to bet another 240 euro to the 4th step. I got out of jail with a 20 euro loss but $hit my pants in the meantime.
With Andre's permission I am mentioning my stats for PATTERN BREAKER in this update so you can compare the results and betting opportunities we would expect playing the two systems. As mentioned previously I am testing a strategy based on PB which can also be applied to PATTERN ATTACK and SOS which involves a positive progression. I will reveal the results and strategy in another thread when I have completed several hundred games. But I will only reveal my bankroll balance and games won/lost in this thread. In the sheet you will notice I won many PB games with a "0" step. This indicates I actually won without going to the 8th pattern. I'll reveal how in another thread but this contributed 409 euro to my profit and helped offset my losses.
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Cheers,
Ricky
If your having to play scared why play at all. The system should be so good that you would never have those emotion . My two bits.
Quote from: Winner on May 02, 10:07 AM 2018
If your having to play scared why play at all. The system should be so good that you would never have those emotion . My two bits.
Hi Winner,
the reason for my emotion was my sudden burst of undisciplined play. Its all about knowing when to hold them, knowing when to fold them. When you realize you are in a situation which you should have waited 1 or 2 hands longer you could have capitalized on knowing the pattern was forming further than it typically does. It is becoming one of those 1 in 100 shoes that does NOT fail to break the pattern BEFORE the 3 2/3 repeat. So once you start using martingale 1-2-4-8 you are committed to ride it through or know that if you stop you will take a loss.
So my challenge is to look for another approach that will allow me to capitalize on these situations without risking my bankroll. Progression is the key to the long term success of PATTERN ATTACK.
One way is to accept you will not win them all and never chase a long progression no matter what. Its like Andre says. You got to know which shoes to attack and which to let go. In hindsight you always make the right decision.
So the purpose of this thread is to share ideas on what is the best method to approach this collective knowledge and experience to profit LONG term from this strategy.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on May 02, 04:34 PM 2018
Hi Winner,
the reason for my emotion was my sudden burst of undisciplined play. Its all about knowing when to hold them, knowing when to fold them. When you realize you are in a situation which you should have waited 1 or 2 hands longer you could have capitalized on knowing the pattern was forming further than it typically does. It is becoming one of those 1 in 100 shoes that does NOT fail to break the pattern BEFORE the 3 2/3 repeat. So once you start using martingale 1-2-4-8 you are committed to ride it through or know that if you stop you will take a loss.
So my challenge is to look for another approach that will allow me to capitalize on these situations without risking my bankroll. Progression is the key to the long term success of PATTERN ATTACK.
One way is to accept you will not win them all and never chase a long progression no matter what. Its like Andre says. You got to know which shoes to attack and which to let go. In hindsight you always make the right decision.
So the purpose of this thread is to share ideas on what is the best method to approach this collective knowledge and experience to profit LONG term from this strategy.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ok
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on May 02, 07:35 AM 2018
Hi Ricky and Hi Andre Chass
Thank you very much for all your update , i am very happy and i will soon play PA at my online casino 5-10-15 , daily goals 3~5 win.
Andre Chass maybe we can have a second SOS Strategy this one you can call it "SOS JUMPER "
The rules : Shoe Start = P bet P One time if lose change shoe ,
Shoe start again = B bet B one time if lose again change shoe etc till you win
Progression 1-2-1 or as you want
What do you think ?
Hi Andy
SOS JUMPER is working great!
Im using s different progression using this strategy.
The shoe start B I bet B for 2 times.
The shoe start P I bet P for 2 times.
If I lose I change shoe and start again using 1, 1 progression.
I'm using 1, 1 progression playing Pattern Attack too.
The goal is win at first step and bet the second step for recovery.
I realized most of the wins come from the first and second step after watching the shoes for days.
Cheers
PS: I bet small stakes. And I play around 6 to 8 hours a day to get a good profit.
Sometimes I go down but most ify the times I'm up. I don't have a stop loss because it's almost impossible you keep down and loose the bankroll.
I only have a stop win. When I think that's enough profit or I'm tired.
Hi Andre
I am very happy about all your test , and your bet progression remind me a message in a French Forum about someone who was waiting for a specific pattern at the roulette and who was betting big ( 1000 dollars or + ) 2 times , the first step to win and the second to recover , he was using hit and run mentality one win per day
he never gave to us the pattern xD
Andre if you have a winner strategy for the roulette I'll take it ;) private message me if you have one , because for the roulette i am very lost i don't know where to go >_<
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 05, 05:56 PM 2018
PS: I bet small stakes. And I play around 6 to 8 hours a day to get a good profit.
Sometimes I go down but most ify the times I'm up. I don't have a stop loss because it's almost impossible you keep down and loose the bankroll.
I only have a stop win. When I think that's enough profit or I'm tired.
Just completed 100 games of PATTERN ATTACK (nearly 2 months) and SOS (2 weeks). Halfway through PB played over 1 week
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Quote from: Andre Chass on May 05, 05:56 PM 2018
PS: I bet small stakes. And I play around 6 to 8 hours a day to get a good profit.
Sometimes I go down but most ify the times I'm up. I don't have a stop loss because it's almost impossible you keep down and loose the bankroll.
I only have a stop win. When I think that's enough profit or I'm tired.
Hi Andre,
What progression do you use and how many units do you normally bring as your bankroll.
Thanks
Joey
Quote from: Ricky on May 06, 02:52 AM 2018
Just completed 100 games of PATTERN ATTACK (nearly 2 months) and SOS (2 weeks). Halfway through PB played over 1 week
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Good job Ricky!
Keep us updated.
Quote from: jsintl on May 06, 04:49 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
What progression do you use and how many units do you normally bring as your bankroll.
Thanks
Joey
Hi
I use 1, 1 progression playing SOS Jumper
And 1, 2, 1 playing Pattern Attack
And about the bankroll it depends how much you willing to win / risk.
If you want playing 1 unit per bet, 100 units bankroll is enough.
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on May 05, 08:40 PM 2018
Andre if you have a winner strategy for the roulette I'll take it ;) private message me if you have one , because for the roulette i am very lost i don't know where to go >_<
Everybody here is lost trying to find the Roulette' HG...lol
If you want winning serious money I you suggest focusing on baccarat.
I have a good strategy to play Roulette but it's a grinder. Forget it...
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on May 05, 08:40 PM 2018
Hi Andre
I am very happy about all your test , and your bet progression remind me a message in a French Forum about someone who was waiting for a specific pattern at the roulette and who was betting big ( 1000 dollars or + ) 2 times , the first step to win and the second to recover , he was using hit and run mentality one win per day
he never gave to us the pattern xD
Andre if you have a winner strategy for the roulette I'll take it ;) private message me if you have one , because for the roulette i am very lost i don't know where to go >_<
Pretty clear by now nobody wins playing roulette - mickey mouse win yes significant b&m casino win no.
Except AP guys like General.
Don't be addicted with roulette system fantasy - you will be in forever lost state consistently losing money like the system veterans on forums.
When I have the time on my off day I will play another round of "guessing" baccarat with bankroll $10 to win $20(200% roi) betting only $1 per hand with the popular 2 speed baccarat live dealer again, not rng, rx or simulator.
For b&m casino you want plenty of active tables for choice to play chop or trend.
There's no way to play roulette inside progression bet with 10units bankroll - impossible.
Quote from: Ricky on May 06, 02:52 AM 2018
Just completed 100 games of PATTERN ATTACK (nearly 2 months) and SOS (2 weeks). Halfway through PB played over 1 week
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Hi Ricky,
Please keep us updated on your PA and SOS.
Thanks,
Joey
Hey up, it was a long time I've no been here...
The key is a winner strategy played together with a winner money management/progression.
I found that!
Forget 1, 2, 4 or 1, 1, 3 or 1, 1, 1 etc...
Is not a money making machine... It's a grinder but... Always on profit
Is it 2, 1, 2, 3 then?
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 14, 09:33 PM 2018
Hey up, it was a long time I've no been here...
The key is a winner strategy played together with a winner money management/progression.
I found that!
Forget 1, 2, 4 or 1, 1, 3 or 1, 1, 1 etc...
Is not a money making machine... It's a grinder but... Always on profit
Found what ??? :question:
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 14, 09:33 PM 2018
Hey up, it was a long time I've no been here...
The key is a winner strategy played together with a winner money management/progression.
I found that!
Forget 1, 2, 4 or 1, 1, 3 or 1, 1, 1 etc...
Is not a money making machine... It's a grinder but... Always on profit
Hi Andre,
Any update especially your Money Management?
Thanks
If I show more than that the casinos will remove the baccarat tables.
I'll no longer be here in this forum anymore...
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 22, 10:57 AM 2018
If I show more than that the casinos will remove the baccarat tables.
I'll no longer be here in this forum anymore...
Cheers
BOOM!
LOL !
LOL!
Why starting a thread if you don't want share valuable infos?
Quote from: jsintl on May 13, 04:38 AM 2018
Hi Ricky,
Please keep us updated on your PA and SOS.
Thanks,
Joey
Hi Joe,
apologies for the delay in responding. Just letting you all know that PATTERN ATTACK is now my main system i use at BM casino playing $100 min tables with a $1000 bankroll. I usually play 3-4 games per visit for a goal ol $100-$300 flatbetting no progression. I aim to win in 1-2 hands or walk away with loss and look for next table. Once I recovered playing $200 min table waiting for 9th hand to complete before placing one bet on 10th hand. Fortunately won it and did not need to be tempted to play next hand
Currently working on some other projects with my roulette BOT so will not be posting further updates on this thread. Will keep an eye out for any updates from others and happy to chat privately with anyone interested in keeping in touch
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: andrebac on May 23, 11:37 PM 2018
Why starting a thread if you don't want share valuable infos?
Well, I will not sell anything...
My strategy has no secrets. I'm just playing the strategy using MM.
It's a revised D'alembert progression. It's slow but very secure.
Its necessary that people try to play this way and post the results here to know if the strategy works for everyone. It's working for me.
By the way, I tested the SOS Jumper strategy...
I won for 10 days consecutive then I burst. I had a loss of $1254.
The strategy is a loser long term...
I opened this topic. I showed you the strategy. I always show the results. When I win I say that. When I lose too.
The strategy is working well for me ... however I need feedback to know some points.
How many people are using the strategy? What are the results?
Many people ask me about strategy but no one is willing to help.
I will say it again. The strategy is working great for me... But that's not enough...
I need to know from other players. Why? Because I need to know if it's a winning strategy or I'm just luck or both options...
I've been playing strategy for about 4 months and I'm always in profit but...
I know players who thought they had a winning strategy but after months of profit they lost everything.
That's my fear...
You guys got it?
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 26, 10:16 PM 2018
I opened this topic. I showed you the strategy. I always show the results. When I win I say that. When I lose too.
The strategy is working well for me ... however I need feedback to know some points.
How many people are using the strategy? What are the results?
Many people ask me about strategy but no one is willing to help.
I will say it again. The strategy is working great for me... But that's not enough...
I need to know from other players. Why? Because I need to know if it's a winning strategy or I'm just luck or both options...
I've been playing strategy for about 4 months and I'm always in profit but...
I know players who thought they had a winning strategy but after months of profit they lost everything.
That's my fear...
You guys got it?
1. It is not a losing strategy.
2. It is a slow grinder.
3. Whether it is worth your time to do this grind, my conclusion is
NO if you work alone in b&m casino.
People don't like honest and real feedback. They think I am negative or hater or a troll. So I mostly don't give my feedback since what I wrote are ignored, worse ppl hate me.
My feedback comes from large b&m casinos with 100+ tables. And I survey whatever strategy over a few days/weeks to come to the conclusion.
I hardly post nowadays because if you look at the forum most threads are unreal with lots of useless bantering, sarcasm, ego boosting and scamming which I have no time for. Unless there is some useful real discussion I will lurk, read for entertainment purpose only.
***For those who pm me about how to play baccarat, I wrote the strategy on John Legend Pattern Breaker thread. Btw I don't respond to pms.
Quote from: cht on May 27, 12:01 AM 2018Whether it is worth your time to do this grind, my conclusion is NO if you work alone in b&m casino.
Hi CHT
I have heard your reasons previously in your situation why it is not workable in BM casino because of crowds, slow paced game and high bankroll. But in my case it is workable and not that much of a grind. It keeps me focused and avoids me making losing bets by guessing the outcome. My BM casino has the following:
1. Plenty of tables in the Baccarat room.
2. 30 sec timer between bets
3. Ability to sit down to play 1 hand and then leave
4. Electronic screens on all tables to check history of hands. Can browse at other tables while waiting at one table.
5. 6 big screens on one wall to watch multiple tables at once.
6. Additional electronic tables to play rapid baccarat with 4-5 live dealer games to choose from while scanning other tables
7. The pattern forms to varying lengths many times but rarely forms to 4 repeats of BPP or PBB. When it is starting to form you generally just loiter around that area while the hands are played out.
So in Summary, I find this method a winner at my Casino visits and use it as my main game I play when looking to make several hundred to $1000. I also play PATTERN BREAKER when I am tired of walking around and need a break.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky, what's this casino and where is located.
in asia?
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 26, 10:16 PM 2018
I opened this topic. I showed you the strategy. I always show the results. When I win I say that. When I lose too.
The strategy is working well for me ... however I need feedback to know some points.
How many people are using the strategy? What are the results?
Many people ask me about strategy but no one is willing to help.
I will say it again. The strategy is working great for me... But that's not enough...
I need to know from other players. Why? Because I need to know if it's a winning strategy or I'm just luck or both options...
I've been playing strategy for about 4 months and I'm always in profit but...
I know players who thought they had a winning strategy but after months of profit they lost everything.
That's my fear...
You guys got it?
I don't use it as you do but, during my baccarat session play, when I recognize your pattern, I play for it,
usually is a winner but I don't have detailed stats, anyway I am confident with it.
If this could be of help, I don't remember exactly why, but there is a statistical deviation that
make some kind of patterns more difficult to repeat after 3 times in a row, as in this case.
A
Quote from: andrebac on May 27, 10:19 AM 2018
Ricky, what's this casino and where is located.
in asia?
check my PM
Quote from: cht on May 27, 12:01 AM 2018
1. It is not a losing strategy.
2. It is a slow grinder.
3. Whether it is worth your time to do this grind, my conclusion is NO if you work alone in b&m casino.
People don't like honest and real feedback. They think I am negative or hater or a troll. So I mostly don't give my feedback since what I wrote are ignored, worse ppl hate me.
My feedback comes from large b&m casinos with 100+ tables. And I survey whatever strategy over a few days/weeks to come to the conclusion.
I hardly post nowadays because if you look at the forum most threads are unreal with lots of useless bantering, sarcasm, ego boosting and scamming which I have no time for. Unless there is some useful real discussion I will lurk, read for entertainment purpose only.
CHT
Thank you for stating your observations and telling us what you really think about strategy.
You are one of the most experienced players in this forum and your observations are of great value to me.
Always when I have a new idea I like to know what you think about it. You say the truth and with knowledge of speech.
Thank you my friend
Quote from: Ricky on May 27, 08:49 AM 2018
Hi CHT
I have heard your reasons previously in your situation why it is not workable in BM casino because of crowds, slow paced game and high bankroll. But in my case it is workable and not that much of a grind. It keeps me focused and avoids me making losing bets by guessing the outcome. My BM casino has the following:
1. Plenty of tables in the Baccarat room.
2. 30 sec timer between bets
3. Ability to sit down to play 1 hand and then leave
4. Electronic screens on all tables to check history of hands. Can browse at other tables while waiting at one table.
5. 6 big screens on one wall to watch multiple tables at once.
6. Additional electronic tables to play rapid baccarat with 4-5 live dealer games to choose from while scanning other tables
7. The pattern forms to varying lengths many times but rarely forms to 4 repeats of BPP or PBB. When it is starting to form you generally just loiter around that area while the hands are played out.
So in Summary, I find this method a winner at my Casino visits and use it as my main game I play when looking to make several hundred to $1000. I also play PATTERN BREAKER when I am tired of walking around and need a break.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
Thanks for telling us the way you play in a BM casino ... And thank you for telling us how the inside structure of the casino you play is. This is great information for anyone who is using the strategy.
I'm happy to hear that the strategy is workable in BM casino and you're using it successfully.
Cheers
Quote from: cht on May 27, 12:01 AM 2018
1. It is not a losing strategy.
2. It is a slow grinder.
3. Whether it is worth your time to do this grind, my conclusion is NO if you work alone in b&m casino.
People don't like honest and real feedback. They think I am negative or hater or a troll. So I mostly don't give my feedback since what I wrote are ignored, worse ppl hate me.
My feedback comes from large b&m casinos with 100+ tables. And I survey whatever strategy over a few days/weeks to come to the conclusion.
I hardly post nowadays because if you look at the forum most threads are unreal with lots of useless bantering, sarcasm, ego boosting and scamming which I have no time for. Unless there is some useful real discussion I will lurk, read for entertainment purpose only.
***For those who pm me about how to play baccarat, I wrote the strategy on John Legend Pattern Breaker thread. Btw I don't respond to pms.
Hi everyone
I am not very actif right now busy etc , i am waiting the month of July to test the PA and SOS , and CHT about the John Legend thread i have tried to search your post but i didn't succeed :(
The only way you can try and beat the game of baccarat is limit the hands in the shoe. The longer you play the more chance for casino to beat you.
1. Betting too often
2. Bad money management
3. Not following cards trends
4. HAVING NO PATIENCE!!!!
If you work to improve all these points you will start to win.These are the fundamental rules for gamblers
Casino's are open 24/7 > don't over bet and try to win every possible dollar from casino's in one session.
Follow the cards... they speak to you and automatically tell you what your next bet will be.
If your having a bad day... LEAVE! don't try to chase your losses... and don't get upset because of your own mistakes.
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Jun 01, 08:26 PM 2018
Hi everyone
I am not very actif right now busy etc , i am waiting the month of July to test the PA and SOS , and CHT about the John Legend thread i have tried to search your post but i didn't succeed :(
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg192341#msg192341
Start from the much earlier post I reply to denzie.
I gave the details in my replies to Andrebac.
Low risk, low bankroll - 8 to 12 units, high winrate. Play with large $ size per unit, possible to achieve 50-100% returns daily.
Downside - few signals, so play with the faster etg baccarat machines.
Grinder that requires patience.
If your aim is to make real money with low risk, ok with boring long hours work, then this is suitable for you.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 01, 08:42 PM 2018
The only way you can try and beat the game of baccarat is limit the hands in the shoe. The longer you play the more chance for casino to beat you.
1. Betting too often
2. Bad money management
3. Not following cards trends
4. HAVING NO PATIENCE!!!!
If you work to improve all these points you will start to win.These are the fundamental rules for gamblers
Casino's are open 24/7 > don't over bet and try to win every possible dollar from casino's in one session.
Follow the cards... they speak to you and automatically tell you what your next bet will be.
If your having a bad day... LEAVE! don't try to chase your losses... and don't get upset because of your own mistakes.
"If you can't lose professionally, then you can never win..."
Hi everyone and thank you for all of your advice i really try to follow all your advice and i hope to be like you one day ;)
Hi CHT the post at page 132 ?
about BPP BPP B and then bet against PP to appear again ?
So do you play too PBB PBB P and then bet PP ?
what sound interesting is that i was developping something similar to your approach :)
SOS ATTACK®
This strategy is a mix of the PATTERN ATTACK and SOS systems.
Bet BPP at the start of each shoe. (First hand).
Reset the game on the first win and go to another shoe and start it again.
If appears BPP or PPP or PBP or BPB or BBB or BBP or PPB you win.
If PBB appears you lose.
Bankroll: 35 units
Progression : 1, 2, 4 lose?
Recovery One: 2, 2, 4 - lose?
Recovery Two: 5, 5, 10 - lose? End of the game.
Your goal is winning on the first progression.
If you lose you will have 3 more attempts to recover the bankroll on the second progression.
If you lose the second progression you will have 3 more attempts to recover the bankroll on the third progression.
If you go to the recovery mode you need to win 3 times at the first hand. The second and third hand you break even and start the recovery mode again.
I've tested it and getting great results.
PS: Only BPP works using the strategy. I realized that after doing a lot of tests.
SOS ATTACK®
This strategy is a mix of the PATTERN ATTACK® and SOS systems.
Bet BPP at the start of each shoe. (First hand).
Reset the game on the first win and go to another shoe and start it again.
If appears BPP or PPP or PBP or BPB or BBB or BBP or PPB you win.
If PBB appears you lose.
Bankroll: 35 units
Progression : 1, 2, 4 lose?
Recovery mode One: 2, 2, 4 - lose?
Recovery mode Two: 5, 5, 10 - lose? End of the game.
Note: You have to play the recovery mode when a new shoe is starting. (First hand of the new shoe). So you better tracking multiple shoes at the same time.
Your goal is winning on the first progression.
If you lose you will have 3 more attempts to recover the bankroll on the second progression.
If you lose the second progression you will have 3 more attempts to recover the bankroll on the third progression.
If you go to the recovery mode you need to win 3 times at the first hand. The second and third hand you break even and start the recovery mode again.
I've tested it and getting great results.
PS: Only BPP works using the strategy. I realized that after doing a lot of tests.
BANKER ATTACK®
We always bet Banker.
We use 1-3-2-6 sequentially whether we win or lose (132613261326...). Examples:
PBPB = +6
PBPBBB = +10
BBB = +6
PPPBPPBB = +4
That means, we don't care if we win or lose that hand, we will still continue the 1-3-2-6 sequence. As for ties, it will be counted, and next bet will be the next sequence after a tie
PBTBB = +9
It beats almost every bad streak, and we start with a bankroll of 36. Our daily goal is +20.
Hi Andre Chass
Thank you very much for all the interesting method here i am very happy about that :
-Pattern Attack
-Sos
-Sos Jumper
-Sos Attack
-Banker Attack
I will add a new one
PB ATTACK ®
The trigger is " PB PB P " bet that the P will not have B next , so you bet "P"
PBPBPB = Loose
PBPBPP = win
if you win restart tracking if you loose start tracking again and bet for 3 or 4 steps
exemple : 1-2-4 or 1-1-3 or 1-2-4-8 or 1-2-3-6 etc
Every time you loose start tracking new trigger and bet the next step if win restart all your steps
Every time we have the trigger we only bet once the "P"
advice : It can be long and take lot of shoes before the Trigger appear again so patience is the key here
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 02, 11:51 AM 2018
BANKER ATTACK®
We always bet Banker.
We use 1-3-2-6 sequentially whether we win or lose (132613261326...). Examples:
PBPB = +6
PBPBBB = +10
BBB = +6
PPPBPPBB = +4
That means, we don't care if we win or lose that hand, we will still continue the 1-3-2-6 sequence. As for ties, it will be counted, and next bet will be the next sequence after a tie
PBTBB = +9
It beats almost every bad streak, and we start with a bankroll of 36. Our daily goal is +20.
My advice for the Banker Attack will be to track 20 hands before betting to know the nature of the shoe so that you will not
get busted if they are plentiful repetitions , but a shoppy shoe will make you rich ;)
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Jun 02, 01:38 PM 2018
My advice for the Banker Attack will be to track 20 hands before betting to know the nature of the shoe so that you will not
get busted if they are plentiful repetitions , but a shoppy shoe will make you rich ;)
Hi Andy
My main game is Pattern Attack®. While I wait for the trigger I test other strategies and I make some extra cash.
We have to look at each shoe and its trends to use the proper strategy.
In this case (Banker Attack®) we can apply the strategy after a sequence of Players or look for a shoe where no sequence occurs.
We have to pay attention to biased shoes to use the proper strategy.
It's a powerful strategy if you bet on the right conditions.
I have some strategies ideas.
I asked Steve to change the thread's name. So we will have a specific thread to talk about baccarat.
Some advantages of playing Baccarat:
It's an honest game.
The house edge is minimal (practically 50/50).
Lower variance (Roulette has an infinite variance).
No dealer cheating (some dealers use electronic devices at roulette)
No zero (the main reason that's hard you win at roulette long term)
It's easy to win if you use the right strategy on the right conditions with a stop loss and stop win.
My problem is that i can only track 4 ~ table in my online live casino ... Ricky seem to have the optimal condition to produce money xD
A new update 20 days playing Pattern Attack once a day.
Against BPP BPP BPP or PBB PBB PBB
Progression 1, 2
Chips value: $100,00
Day 1: win first step
Day 2: win second step
Day 3: win second step
Day 4: lost
Day 5: win first step
Day 6: win second step
Day 7: win second step
Day 8: win first step
Day 9: win first step
Day 10: win second step
Day 11: win first step
Day 12: win second step
Day 13: lost
Day 14: win second step
Day 15: win first step
Day 16: win first step
Day 17: win first step
Day 18: win second
Day 19: win first step
Day 20: win first step
Total profit: $1,200.00 not bad
Do not bet on any shoe. You have to try reading the shoes and chose the right one.
The key to failure:
1. Betting too often
2. Bad money management
3. Not following cards trends
4. HAVING NO PATIENCE!!!!
Coming soon Ghost Attack
Cheers
Just more $100 8)
Eat 'Em and Smile. :D
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Jun 03, 01:51 AM 2018
My problem is that i can only track 4 ~ table in my online live casino ... Ricky seem to have the optimal condition to produce money xD
Will be spending next 4 weeks dry running my new career at BM casino playing PA among other systems. Wish me luck. Will post results at end of venture.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 07, 08:22 PM 2018
hi, andree a pleasure.
This type of system that you use for baccarat, a long time ago for an Argentinian man and the system called it, or PHP or something like that for the style.
I do not know how it works in baccarat, but in roulette it does not work so well, I'm trying it, the only difference is that you have it with PPB PPB PP ... and with BBP BBP BB ... because only this pattern? ? the person who played it in roulette did it with the name of 3 similar sequence looking for the different room, but used either PPB or BBP or PBP or BPB or BBB or PPP ...
because you only look at that double and one ??
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, greetings
PS: And the roulette theme already ?? He does not like it anymore? I really like Roulette a lot, jejeej. If you can give me a tour around here, you would be very grateful.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 10, 09:56 PM 2018
Señor Andrés Casa, the same thing you do in baccarat, you can do it in blackjack and of course in roulette, you got it in baccarat and others have done it in roulette, you have not done it, you do not want To say that it does not exist, can assure you that it exists and the payment is much better than baccarat and blackjack. I just wanted to comment on it. :lol: :lol:
I congratulate you for your achievements in baccarat, but roulette is the game that pays the best and does not pay 1: 1 but 1:37 ... :thumbsup:
regards
OU812 ?
$$$ 8)
Bad to the bone 8)
link:s://youtu.be/X9FyQNx8oyU
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 10, 09:40 PM 2018
Will be spending next 4 weeks dry running my new career at BM casino playing PA among other systems. Wish me luck. Will post results at end of venture.
Cheers,
Ricky
Just came back from first day at work. 2 bets +$300
11/6/18 - Fighting Fund $1000, Bankroll $700
- Goal Week 1 $1,500, $300 per day 5 days per week
- Game 1 SOS $100 Win STEP 1 PP ($100 min table)
- Game 2 PA $200 Win STEP 1 BPP BPP BPP [PBB] 10th Hand ($200 min table)
- Total Winning $300
- Total Time 1 hour
Fighting Fund - $1300
Plan for Day 2 - Bankroll $500, Target $300, Max 5 games
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 11, 09:12 AM 2018
Just came back from first day at work. 2 bets +$300
11/6/18 - Fighting Fund $1000, Bankroll $700
- Goal Week 1 $1,500, $300 per day 5 days per week
- Game 1 SOS $100 Win STEP 1 PP ($100 min table)
- Game 2 PA $200 Win STEP 1 BPP BPP BPP [PBB] 10th Hand ($200 min table)
- Total Winning $300
- Total Time 1 hour
Fighting Fund - $1300
Plan for Day 2 - Bankroll $500, Target $300, Max 5 games
Cheers,
Ricky
Cool
Whats contract did they offer you ?
Is the pay good ?
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 11, 09:12 AM 2018
Just came back from first day at work. 2 bets +$300
11/6/18 - Fighting Fund $1000, Bankroll $700
- Goal Week 1 $1,500, $300 per day 5 days per week
- Game 1 SOS $100 Win STEP 1 PP ($100 min table)
- Game 2 PA $200 Win STEP 1 BPP BPP BPP [PBB] 10th Hand ($200 min table)
- Total Winning $300
- Total Time 1 hour
Fighting Fund - $1300
Plan for Day 2 - Bankroll $500, Target $300, Max 5 games
Cheers,
Ricky
Good job Ricky
Keep us updated.
Good luck!
Ops, sorry we don't need luck. We need patience and discipline.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 11, 10:28 AM 2018
Good job Ricky
Keep us updated.
Good luck!
Ops, sorry we don't need luck. We need patience and discipline.
Hi Andre,
I can't believe I drove 30 minutes for 2 bets and made my target in less than 1 hour. I know not all days will be like this. But just to show you how much patience and discipline you need I tracked all the tables (about 20 tables) for 42 minutes before deciding to place my first bet on a new shoe that showed Player. I thought lets try SOS. I know its a 50/50 bet but it worked out. Then 10 minutes later came across this $200 min table that was starting to form BPP B. I watched as one gambler was losing about 3 hands in a row. Then he started betting against this pattern continuing to the repeat of the BPP. He won one hand but then proceed to lose the next 4 hands. On the BPP BPP BPP he changed tactics and placed a bet B for the pattern to continue. I placed my first and only $200 bet to break the pattern as per PA and to my delight won. He ended up about $700 down.
So Bet less only when the conditions are right and odds against pattern continuing at their lowest. Its hard to find these gems but when you do it is amazing how quickly you can make a quick $200. I am waiting for the day that win could represent $1000+ But will take it slow and steady
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 11, 09:49 AM 2018
Cool
Whats contract did they offer you ?
Is the pay good ?
Free Parking, Meals included. All the bottled water I can carry, 2 complimentary coffees per day. And work my own hours and earn as much as I want. :lol:
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 11, 11:08 AM 2018
Free Parking, Meals included. All the bottled water I can carry, 2 complimentary coffees per day. And work my own hours and earn as much as I want. :lol:
Cheers,
Ricky
WOW thats a great offer!
don't forget to pay them all what you earned back plus taxes on your last working day there.
I wish you though good luck!
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 11, 10:56 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
I can't believe I drove 30 minutes for 2 bets and made my target in less than 1 hour. I know not all days will be like this. But just to show you how much patience and discipline you need I tracked all the tables (about 20 tables) for 42 minutes before deciding to place my first bet on a new shoe that showed Player. I thought lets try SOS. I know its a 50/50 bet but it worked out. Then 10 minutes later came across this $200 min table that was starting to form BPP B. I watched as one gambler was losing about 3 hands in a row. Then he started betting against this pattern continuing to the repeat of the BPP. He won one hand but then proceed to lose the next 4 hands. On the BPP BPP BPP he changed tactics and placed a bet B for the pattern to continue. I placed my first and only $200 bet to break the pattern as per PA and to my delight won. He ended up about $700 down.
So Bet less only when the conditions are right and odds against pattern continuing at their lowest. Its hard to find these gems but when you do it is amazing how quickly you can make a quick $200. I am waiting for the day that win could represent $1000+ But will take it slow and steady
Cheers,
Ricky
That's great Ricky!
Be careful with the SOS strategy. It's a good short-term strategy. Play only a few times.
When playing Pattern Attack strategy, pay attention to the shoes. Find biased shoes. Try to read them and bet only on the right conditions.
Do not be greedy. Do not bet often. Have a goal. Set up a stop loss and a stop win. Don't try chasing your losses. If you're getting a bad day take a break and come back later.
Play only when you feel confident with a positive mind.
You are the one! Always remember that!
I'm sure you'll do well.
Cheers
What do you mean by finding biased shoes?
How one is supposed to read then?
Why not bet any shoe if the pattern attack conditions are met?
Regarding the SOS strategy: if it not works in the long run why bother playing it?
Each shoe has a different bias. Can you see that? You have to learn to read the shoes and bet on the most favorable to use your personal strategy.
Only $30 bucks playing SOS strategy while waiting for the Pattern Attack trigger. 8)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 11, 08:24 PM 2018
That's great Ricky!
Be careful with the SOS strategy. It's a good short-term strategy. Play only a few times.
When playing Pattern Attack strategy, pay attention to the shoes. Find biased shoes. Try to read them and bet only on the right conditions.
Do not be greedy. Do not bet often. Have a goal. Set up a stop loss and a stop win. Don't try chasing your losses. If you're getting a bad day take a break and come back later.
Play only when you feel confident with a positive mind.
You are the one! Always remember that!
I'm sure you'll do well.
Cheers
Hi Andre,
just read your advise after my second day/night at work. I am pleased to say I did all those things. SOS did not work for me today. Had a grind having to recover from two losses. Also tried betting against a long Banker streak but did not work out. It kept going for 16 in a row with one tie. Banker kepy pulling 9s. But PATTERN ATTACK was my main game. Missed two perfect opportunities that would have netted me another 400 and exceed my target. But after 4 hours at work with an hour break I settled for +$200 after returning from my break and winning another $100.
12/6/18 - Fighting Fund $1300, Bankroll $500
Session 1
- Game 1 Betting Against Streak of 12 Bankers $100 Loss STEP 1 P ($100 min table) (bad start)
- Game 2 PA $100 Win STEP 1 9th Hand ($100 min table)
- Game 3 SOS $100 Loss STEP 1 B ($100 min table)
- Game 4 SOS $100 Loss STEP 1 B ($100 min table)
- Game 5 PA $300 Win STEP 1 10th Hand (min $300 table)
Session 1 +$100
******************Break *******************
Session 2
- Game 1 PA $100 Loss STEP 1 9th Hand ($100 min table)
- Game 2 PA $200 Win STEP 1 10th hand ($200 min table)
Session 2 +$100
- Total Winning $200
- Total Time 4 hours
Fighting Fund - $1500
Plan for Day 3 - Bankroll $700, Target $400, Max 10 games 2 Sessions
Will try a new strategy to be revealed tomorrow if successful. stay Tuned
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 11, 11:23 AM 2018
WOW thats a great offer!
don't forget to pay them all what you earned back plus taxes on your last working day there.
I wish you though good luck!
Hi Roulette Beater,
I am trying to follow Bret Morton's MM advise to avoid losing it all. I have won $500 in two days 5 hours total (4 hours gambling) and have quit while I am ahead. On day one I fealt I couldn't lose and was tempted to continue for hours as I had made my target in just 1 hour. But quiting was the right thing to do as tonight I had a real grind to get $200. Was up and down all night. Tempted to chase my losses by increasing my next bet or doing a progression on SOS or PA when lost. But decided the risk was not worth it. But as it happened the opportunities came on the higher min tables which effectively was a negative progression. But it was a completely new game and different shoe. So I Only bet one hand per attack and whatever the table minimum is.
I learnt something today. I do not need to play the table minimum if another player is also betting my bet I can piggy back on top of them with $100 on a $200+ min table. Will remember that next time I do not want to risk more than $100
Cheers,
Ricky.
Hey Ricky
You did it wrong...
Forget SOS. It's a dangerous strategy to bet that amount of money.
NEVER bet against a long Banker or Player streak... It's too risky. If you do, bet it will continue and parlaying. Double the bet after a win.
Focus on Pattern Attack. And use two steps: 1 to win 1 to recover.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 12, 12:08 PM 2018
Hey Ricky
You did it wrong...
Forget SOS. It's a dangerous strategy to bet that amount of money.
NEVER bet against a long Banker or Player streak... It's too risky. If you do, bet it will continue and parlaying. Double the bet after a win.
Focus on Pattern Attack. And use two steps: 1 to win 1 to recover.
Hi Andre, check my PM. This lesson gave me an idea.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 12, 12:08 PM 2018NEVER bet against a long Banker or Player streak... It's too risky. If you do, bet it will continue and parlaying. Double the bet after a win.
Exactly. :thumbsup:
Ricky for SOS i have tried another approch in virtual testing ( without betting money ) it's was like same rule as SOS but you forgot
the shoes which start with P and T
You only target the Shoes which start with B and you bet only one time B flat bet etc it's very safe but you can wait before be in positif ;)
You just Bet once and accept the win or loss ;) see B bet B that's it ;)
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Jun 12, 01:46 PM 2018
Ricky for SOS i have tried another approch in virtual testing ( without betting money ) it's was like same rule as SOS but you forgot
the shoes which start with P and T
You only target the Shoes which start with B and you bet only one time B flat bet etc it's very safe but you can wait before be in positif ;)
You just Bet once and accept the win or loss ;) see B bet B that's it ;)
Hi Andy,
that's what I did last night and lost two in a row. There were many other opportunities both with P and B that I missed so its very hit and miss. As I am betting high units I am only flat betting once each attack so will only try this when in profit from now on as I can't afford to get behind from the outset and have to chase losing start. I have another strategy I will be trying tonight hinted in previous post and will advise if successful and safe strategy for high value units. Observing the game for several weeks now my idea seems viable.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 12, 06:42 PM 2018
Hi Andy,
that's what I did last night and lost two in a row. There were many other opportunities both with P and B that I missed so its very hit and miss. As I am betting high units I am only flat betting once each attack so will only try this when in profit from now on as I can't afford to get behind from the outset and have to chase losing start. I have another strategy I will be trying tonight hinted in previous post and will advise if successful and safe strategy for high value units. Observing the game for several weeks now my idea seems viable.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hello Ricky i hope that you will be succesful with your goals and i am very interested by your new discovery if it's useful :)
And By the way i wanted to show to you and Andre this video :
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=iPoKT7zUP-Y
Please tell me what do you think about this strategy ?
Hey Ricky, how are you progressing with your daily target? Did not see any updates the last 2 days?
While you guys are trying to beat the Roulette I'm making money with a simple and basic strategy.
Wake up! You will spend time and money for years in a fantasy called roulette.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 14, 08:45 PM 2018
Andre Chas congratulate him on his results and I hope he will continue to be phenomenal.
My question is, which of all the things that were said in this topic is the game that baccarat wins? Play after ...?
On the other hand, I agree with you in part with winning baccarat better than roulette, but you can also win at roulette and without progression.
If you can tell me what is the correct way to get your results, I appreciate it.
I will try to play baccarat a bit, since I never played and in roulette I already got the form of vaddis and now I have designed my own form based on the balance that is the same or better than vaddis.
regards
Your unbelievable..Andre has already posted his method
You have started a thread with members asking you questions..
You should be answering them ..
I’m surprised you are still here
$100 Repeaters? Only my beers... 8)
Quote from: ZERO on Jun 14, 10:44 AM 2018
Hey Ricky, how are you progressing with your daily target? Did not see any updates the last 2 days?
Hi Zero,
thanks for your interest. Have been on a short break from going to the Casino the last two days due to the start of the World Cup. Was going to go tonight but my country played France so end up watching the game.
But three nights ago I did go and had big struggle Flat betting playing PA and the other strategy I was testing. Got a lot of Ties and lost a few first steps. Was $400 down one stage. But slowly made it back to break even and decided to call it a night from Baccarat. Before I left I played some roulette using the Repeaters strategy to test it out and won $50 so decided to leave.
I will return tomorrow and provide an update.
But just to let you know the Baccarat strategy I'm testing out its based on identifying a streak or long pattern like Player or Banker. It uses a positive progression and my goal is to try and catch a 9+ streak and make $1100 in one session. But all attempts so far have not panned out. Ive seen many streaks after the fact but each one I try to jump onto they break within one or two hands. The ones I do chicken out on they tend to continue a few more hands. This is my bad luck again. But I will persist and hopefully jump onto one.
This may be a coincidence but what I have noticed is that if a shoe is biased towards a player or banker in the first half any streaks tend to continue. If the shoe is balanced then it is very choppy of has no streaks of one side or the other. But these shoes tend to do BPBPBPB more often
So I will continue observing. The other thing I notice is when a crowd gathers and they all are betting on a forming streak, sometimes their collective instinct turns out to be true. So one strategy would be to "go with the flow" and you may just get one right. Other times the flow will all lose. That's the excitement of Baccarat for you.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
My mistake was to wait 20 hands to know "the nature of the shoe" i have changed my ways to analyze and now i wait minimum 30~35 hands , because very often after the first 20 hands the Shoe change example : from streak to chop etc
Anyone know how long it takes for one of these to appear on average? :
RBB RBB R then bet against BB
HLL HLL H then bet against LL
OEE OEE O then bet against EE
Super-grinder methods always seem to be the best imo. :thumbsup:
Quote from: AndyCasinoK on Jun 16, 01:19 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
My mistake was to wait 20 hands to know "the nature of the shoe" i have changed my ways to analyze and now i wait minimum 30~35 hands , because very often after the first 20 hands the Shoe change example : from streak to chop etc
True. Sometimes the shoe balances from Bias to balanced. Other times it stays biased.
Ricky
Sorry to say but you it seams you are failing for lack of patience and discipline.
You should follow the rules exactly as it is and do not get out of it.
You should cover the Tie if you're betting large amounts.
And you should consider using two or three steps progression. That's the way I do. The strategy works better using a little progression.
1, 1
1, 2 or
1,2,1
That's what I'm talking about! Today: 2 wins. $100 bet. 8)
Six days with no "real" losses. (Tie showed sometimes) Progression 1,2. Sometimes 1,2,1
If I win every time a pattern fails to repeat then I win. Thanks to random.
I know this forum is not about show the results or how I'm profiting but it proves that the strategy works. I just want share it and help. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 16, 10:09 PM 2018
Ricky
Sorry to say but you it seams you are failing for lack of patience and discipline.
You should follow the rules exactly as it is and do not get out of it.
You should cover the Tie if you're betting large amounts.
And you should consider using two or three steps progression. That's the way I do. The strategy works better using a little progression.
1, 1
1, 2 or
1,2,1
Hi Andre,
I'm playing with the big boys now. Can't afford to use progression. Started with $1,000 bankroll.
Just got back from 4th day at work. Had 3 days off to watch the World Cup opening matches. And got back in time to watch Mexico flog Germany 1-0.
Ok, today was a breeze. Made my days pay in less than 5 minutes. Did not get a chance to play PA or SOS.
Can anyone guess what I played? Made $500 in < 5 min.
This is how.
Walked in the Baccarat room exchanged 5 $100 bills for those black chips. I saw a $100 min table showing 13P 7B hands. Clear bias towards Player. Last three hands are player. Could this be my lucky day? Catch a streak of 9 player hands?
Well the table was empty. I rock up and decide to test my luck. Place $100 on Player. Another gambler sits down and sees the same thing and decides to place $200 on player. Ok we're both seeing a potential streak here. Good omen. Follow the group instinct. Even though the group is just me and him. :twisted:
Great Player gets 9. Good start. I'm up $100 before I know it. Ok don't chicken out now. Your ahead I think to myself. Go for the positive progression. What you got to lose. Place my winning $100 chip on player. The other guy hesitates but then does the same. Great 8 for the player another win. Now we're feeling good. Up $200. Ok here goes all profit in, $200 on Player. Risk free. Dealer hands the other gambler two cards. Oh. 10 10. A Zero. Banker gets 6. Dealer hands another card to Player. He turns it over. A 7. Ok we have seven. Banker turn. He gets an 8. So end up with a 4. Another Player Win. Ok now I need to take profit off the table. I'm up $400. I bet another $200 and have $200 profit. Next hand 10 7. Another 7. Player wins again. That's 4 wins in a row 100 100 200 200. Ok its up to 7 player wins. When will this stop. Decide not to go for another $200 but place $100 on player. But this is where the train ends. Banker wins. Oh well I have just made $500 on a 7 hand player streak.
And my daily target of $300 (actually targeted $500 as I broke even on day 3) was met. I could have continue looking for more to win but decided to take my first week in the job slowly and come back next week to build upon my success.
So now after 4 days at workI have made $1000 which I intend to deposit into my Stock trading account for safe keeping and my retirement.
I will go back to work tomorrow with my $1000 bankroll knowing I have a $2000 fighting fund. I need to make $500 tomorrow to keep up my average $300 a day or 1500 per week.
Will keep you posted
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 16, 11:00 PM 2018
That's what I'm talking about! Today: 2 wins. $100 bet. 8)
Six days with no "real" losses. (Tie showed sometimes) Progression 1,2. Sometimes 1,2,1
If I win every time a pattern fails to repeat then I win. Thanks to random.
I know this forum is not about show the results or how I'm profiting but it proves that the strategy works. I just want share it and help. :thumbsup:
Good Job Andre. Keep it up. I'm looking forward to that trip to Vegas. Then again you should come over here to the Baccarat Room. I think based on what others are saying about their conditions, I'm quite blessed with the setup and opportunities to profit using methods like PA, SOS and Streaks. I've decided to call this method PATTERN CHASER (r) with a signature positive progression 1-1-2-2-1-2-2-1-2. You could go more aggressive 1-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 17, 02:19 PM 2018
Good Job Andre. Keep it up. I'm looking forward to that trip to Vegas. Then again you should come over here to the Baccarat Room. I think based on what others are saying about their conditions, I'm quite blessed with the setup and opportunities to profit using methods like PA, SOS and Streaks. I've decided to call this method PATTERN CHASER (r) with a signature positive progression 1-1-2-2-1-2-2-1-2. You could go more aggressive 1-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8
Hi Ricky,
Sorry for the late reply. I'm glad you're having good results. Yes, one of my wishes is to go to Vegas. 8)
Ricky, I've been studying a strategy for about two months. You can play flatbet without progression. It's much better than Pattern Attack®. I need to do more tests to be able to say that it's a HG.
I had already talked about this strategy in one of my previous posts.
I call it
Ghost Attack®. It's boring and tedious but until now it's a winning strategy and I don't care about have fun. I wanna make money.
I know some people will laugh at me and say: Oh, one more HG in this forum? But I will not bother about it.
I think I'll reveal the strategy only to people in this forum who have always believed in me and supported me.
And these people will be able to help with the tests as well.
Cheers
I have a big baccarat shoes data base
can help in testing
I hope that you will share it with me ;)