I have only been a member of this forum for a very short while, unlike some of you that have been members for years but I have found my short time here to be very enjoyable!
My question to you is this:
After reading many, many, many posts... Am I to conclude that The Holy Truth is that unless a system changes the odds it is rendered useless and a waste of time? Is there such a system out there? Is the only worthwhile methods to pursue the art of spotting a biased wheel and taking advantage of it and VB play? :question:
To word it better, are the only worthwhile options out there:
Roulette Computers
Physics Roulette
Visual Ballistics
Dealer Signature
Bias Analysis
?
Lool at it like the horse race analogy. The horse waists 37 rations but the prize is only 36. Better go through the shortcut and waist much less than 36 rations to cross the finish line.
Quote from: ZERO on May 02, 06:33 AM 2018
To word it better, are the only worthwhile options out there:
Roulette Computers
Physics Roulette
Visual Ballistics
Dealer Signature
Bias Analysis
?
Advantage play is the way to go.
Yes, that's one option.
You don't need to use illegal hidden rc which is additional tool if you are good with your eyes and brain.
The other is forex technical analysis which require specific program that runs on your cellphone that is not allowed in many jurisdiction - better with baccarat.
Quote from: ZERO on May 02, 06:22 AM 2018
I have only been a member of this forum for a very short while, unlike some of you that have been members for years but I have found my short time here to be very enjoyable!
My question to you is this:
After reading many, many, many posts... Am I to conclude that The Holy Truth is that unless a system changes the odds it is rendered useless and a waste of time? Is there such a system out there? Is the only worthwhile methods to pursue the art of spotting a biased wheel and taking advantage of it and VB play? :question:
Why worry about changing the odds when you can create them?
Odds never change. It doesn't matter if you use computers, advantage play, bias, VB, systems, etc. The odds will always be 1/37 for straight up single spin plays. What does change are probabilities. Odds that a zero will hit are 1/37, every spin. Probability that the zero hits 37 consecutive times is somewhere north of a trillion.
There is only one valid way to make money from roulette :
Increase the efficiency of your predictions, increase the accuracy of your bets, the basic probability says every number should hit 1 every 37 cycles... you want your numbers to be hit out of average ? It’s easy just do what I told u .
Yes the Grail is out there. Think hit
and run with a distracted dealer imo.
Quote from: ZERO on May 02, 06:22 AM 2018
but I have found my short time here to be very enjoyable!
My question to you is this:
Is there such a system out there?
Yes there is. And for me is very enjoyable not to tell you the holy truth. ;D
I have been recently to a b&m casino and saw something that attracted my attention, they have two tables with dealer, at one table the dealers are instructed to spin the ball against the direction of the wheel and they alternate the ball spin direction (clockwise and anticlockwise).
At the other table, the dealers are instructed to spin the ball against the wheel direction but without alternating the ball spin direction ( they keep spinning the ball anticlockwisely)
I have no idea why they are doing that... does anyone know?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 02, 10:32 AM 2018
I have been recently to a b&m casino and saw something that attracted my attention, they have two tables with dealer, at one table the dealers are instructed to spin the ball against the direction of the wheel and they alternate the ball spin direction (clockwise and anticlockwise).
At the other table, the dealers are instructed to spin the ball against the wheel direction but without alternating the ball spin direction ( they keep spinning the ball anticlockwisely)
I have no idea why they are doing that... does anyone know?
Just to keep you confused lol
Quote from: Winner on May 02, 10:49 AM 2018
Just to keep you confused lol
No that’s not the reason
Anyone knows ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 02, 10:32 AM 2018
I have been recently to a b&m casino and saw something that attracted my attention, they have two tables with dealer, at one table the dealers are instructed to spin the ball against the direction of the wheel and they alternate the ball spin direction (clockwise and anticlockwise).
At the other table, the dealers are instructed to spin the ball against the wheel direction but without alternating the ball spin direction ( they keep spinning the ball anticlockwisely)
I have no idea why they are doing that... does anyone know?
Don't play the tables that spin in only ccw direction - that's all you need to know.
Quote from: cht on May 02, 12:18 PM 2018
Don't play the tables that spin in only ccw direction - that's all you need to know.
why not? and why the casino do that?
Quote from: cht on May 02, 12:18 PM 2018
Don't play the tables that spin in only ccw direction - that's all you need to know.
Great answer I learned a lot on that
Quote from: ZERO on May 02, 06:22 AM 2018
I have only been a member of this forum for a very short while, unlike some of you that have been members for years but I have found my short time here to be very enjoyable!
My question to you is this:
After reading many, many, many posts... Am I to conclude that The Holy Truth is that unless a system changes the odds it is rendered useless and a waste of time? Is there such a system out there? Is the only worthwhile methods to pursue the art of spotting a biased wheel and taking advantage of it and VB play? :question:
Well, i do not agree that only when a system can change the odds it is useful.
The odds are only 2.7% that is no big deal really.
As long as your system is winning more then it loses, it doesn't have to change the odds to be profitable.
Quote from: ZERO on May 02, 06:22 AM 2018After reading many, many, many posts... Am I to conclude that The Holy Truth is that unless a system changes the odds it is rendered useless and a waste of time? Is there such a system out there? Is the only worthwhile methods to pursue the art of spotting a biased wheel and taking advantage of it and VB play?
Anyone who tells you that there's no "Holy Grail" or that no system or method can possibly win is lying. I don't care who says it or how many times you read it on forums. It's your choice to make in the end, you can either do the work or not.
Two simple methods based on patterns, they will both work and not fail for as long as you'd ever want to play them and win. But I'm misleading now according to others so please disregard my post. If a "biased" wheel can be found - good luck with that. If a hidden computer is the best answer - good luck with that too, but please let the casino know you are using one and see how that goes. But if you're going to work on ways to beat the game based on math and you understand "random" - then you can make charts like below (like I just did last night for examples) and you might like the results. I'm not sure that even AP gives these kinds of results... maybe they do, it's not my department.
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and I'll wander back to just reading posts. I think it's ok to post when I find it informative for others....
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 02, 05:54 PM 2018
Anyone who tells you that there's no "Holy Grail" or that no system or method can possibly win is lying. I don't care who says it or how many times you read it on forums. It's your choice to make in the end, you can either do the work or not.
Two simple methods based on patterns, they will both work and not fail for as long as you'd ever want to play them and win. But I'm misleading now according to others so please disregard my post. If a "biased" wheel can be found - good luck with that. If a hidden computer is the best answer - good luck with that too, but please let the casino know you are using one and see how that goes. But if you're going to work on ways to beat the game based on math and you understand "random" - then you can make charts like below (like I just did last night for examples) and you might like the results. I'm not sure that even AP gives these kinds of results... maybe they do, it's not my department.
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and I'll wander back to just reading posts. I think it's ok to post when I find it informative for others....
Well said.
Now the question is, in wich direction we need to look, regarding patterns? There are so many patterns in roulette, can you push us a little in the right drection? thanks alot.
Patterns are everywhere -
(I opened myself up to the coming replies of "Oh great, now he's got pattern Holy Grails, hot number Holy Grails... they are everywhere !" - so ok.)
I said since forever that the first thing people should do when looking for a way to win is to list things that are possible, things that are likely, things that aren't possible and aren't likely - etc. You get the point.
If I can show you a pattern that happens almost every single time you run off spins - then surely you can make a chart just like the ones I posted.. You can play a pattern style system/method and you already know before you play that you're going to win.
If a pattern shows every time you run spins - then you know that goes in the "likely" column and then form the best way to attack it.
Now they'll say "Patterns don't exist in random" - but of course they do.
There are lots, you can re-arrange the numbers on the table in any order that you want and the exact same pattern will appear and be completely predictable.
Now we can ignore this, pretend it doesn't happen, or exploit it.
I don't mean "after a 10 bet #20 because we all know 20 follows a 10" because that is absolute nonsense. Anyone with experience of any kind knows what is nonsense and what isn't. When you see something over and over (and over) and you don't exploit that pattern happening, of course people can't use patterns to win.
Just my 2 cents.
Progression, i think :thumbsup:
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Eddy your #'s +217 betting repeats, but what progression used?
Ed what do i say the usual for spins 11-40, 7,5,3; 7 larger group hit the 5; 50/50 both repeats and non-hit, the 3 more repeats.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 02, 06:22 PM 2018
Patterns are everywhere -
(I opened myself up to the coming replies of "Oh great, now he's got pattern Holy Grails, hot number Holy Grails... they are everywhere !" - so ok.)
I said since forever that the first thing people should do when looking for a way to win is to list things that are possible, things that are likely, things that aren't possible and aren't likely - etc. You get the point.
If I can show you a pattern that happens almost every single time you run off spins - then surely you can make a chart just like the ones I posted.. You can play a pattern style system/method and you already know before you play that you're going to win.
If a pattern shows every time you run spins - then you know that goes in the "likely" column and then form the best way to attack it.
Now they'll say "Patterns don't exist in random" - but of course they do.
There are lots, you can re-arrange the numbers on the table in any order that you want and the exact same pattern will appear and be completely predictable.
Now we can ignore this, pretend it doesn't happen, or exploit it.
I don't mean "after a 10 bet #20 because we all know 20 follows a 10" because that is absolute nonsense. Anyone with experience of any kind knows what is nonsense and what isn't. When you see something over and over (and over) and you don't exploit that pattern happening, of course people can't use patterns to win.
Just my 2 cents.
Ok thanks. alot to think about.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 02, 06:35 PM 2018
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Eddy your #'s +217 betting repeats, but what progression used?
Ed what do i say the usual for spins 11-40, 7,5,3; 7 larger group hit the 5; 50/50 both repeats and non-hit, the 3 more repeats.
Flatbet.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 02, 06:39 PM 2018Flatbet.
No,
Now a couple of weeks ago i posted a topic called repeats, progression. I removed it, it was too good.
Two others know of it.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 02, 06:42 PM 2018
No,
Now a couple of weeks ago i posted a topic called repeats, progression. I removed it, it was too good.
Two others know of it.
ok, a shame.
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I had more units over 12,000 but had to many #'s for the progression, so having learnt not to bet too many#'s, getting back, the loss had me down to 6,000 units.
Now its about progression, as you see +148
So bankroll and progression, to smaller BR, smaller progression, build BR, bigger progression.
It's late i'll post up the #'s tomorrow, HutchHawk might remember them as he was there.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 02, 06:22 PM 2018
I said since forever that the first thing people should do when looking for a way to win is to list things that are possible, things that are likely, things that aren't possible and aren't likely - etc. You get the point.
There are lots, you can re-arrange the numbers on the table in any order that you want and the exact same pattern will appear and be completely predictable.
Maybe I'll just do that! See what we assume to be or not to be possible.
Do you mean patterns on the physical wheel, where nrs are not from 0-36 in order, or with the nr value itself? I think you showed it works with RNG also...
I'll write a list and be back after these messages.
The table layout and the wheel layout aren't relevant.
The "anti-pattern" people will agree with this too, they'll say there's nothing
special about how the table is laid out or the wheel - although AP bias players
need the wheel layout to see where the bias is (if there is one).
In a pattern style of play you can put the numbers on the table in any order that
you want and the same pattern will show (this is how it works).
There's just no need to do this, or make it any more complicated than it is - there
are already numbers on the table in a order they are in.... it's just not relevant when it comes to a pattern appearing every time.
Quote from: Bigbroben on May 02, 07:52 PM 2018Maybe I'll just do that! See what we assume to be or not to be possible.
Also, as a follow up - when you have a system or method and it fails - know why it fails.
Use that info !
People will come up with a way to play (some come up with 1 a day or hundreds a month) and when it fails they move to the next idea.
1) Why did it fail
2) What can be done to benefit from what you now know.
3) Find if there is a way to avoid that event by doing something else without
trashing the entire idea.
The leads to progress instead of frustration.
People will think "I tried this x,y,z and it works great until "w" happens, then it fails.
Ok - so what is the "w" - how can you make it so you can benefit when "w" happens,
instead of seeing it as the straw that breaks the camel's back, see it as "when life gives you lemons, make lemon aid" - it's easy to pass over something with potential because the focus was on what didn't work and not "why" it didn't work.
Just adding the comment, it's pretty important.
Analogy of being on a trip and coming to a road block.
To some people who work on systems - this would mean turning around, going back home, looking for a completely different route and going again... that's a waste of time. Find a way around the road block and you could possibly even find a faster way that you didn't consider before. If ALL else fails - then DON'T go down that road again, this is progress for the next trip already. Trust me - there's not a road block on every path, there are ways.
Going around in circles trying to defeat what's there by restarting the trip could take decades of work.
Tell me: you stick with straightup or slide off to splits, street or corners?
Quote from: Bigbroben on May 02, 08:30 PM 2018Tell me: you stick with straightup or slide off to splits, street or corners?
I love straight up bets. I've also found ways to play betting splits where the player can benefit from hot/cold numbers. This circles back to a pattern style though. If you chart past spins (just for research) and see where the cold numbers were - where the hot numbers were - there's almost always a hot number next to a cold number. The split bet can help the player because the hot number wins, and eventually the cold number shows up.
Once you know this, you can start fresh with present and future spins in actual play.
You can have 10 shows on #20 for example, and 0 shows on #17 but a split bet allowed you to win 10 wins on the split until the cold number appeared (and that IS another win).
It sounds complicated but it's not - the center column numbers have 4 split bets around them (aside from the 35). One or two of them are hot while the others are cold, you can win. But that's splits. (Was a future method called "Double Cross"... maybe I'll post it at some time in the near future)
The "Minimum Interval" method I created works incredibly well - and you can work your way from the line bets (6#s) to the corner bets (4#s) to the street bets (3#s), to the split bets (2#s) and that's a few hours of playing time in a casino. One of them will typically pay off, or they all will... if it's done right it's not too hard to track and uses most of the bets available on the table without a progression... I posted about it 10 YEARS ago and it never got much traction with people - however that might have just meant it wasn't properly understood. It's not perfect.
link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=1037.0
My play now is only on straight ups though, I've moved past almost anything aside from that - it's been giving the best, reliable results with the least effort.
Hope that helps.
... and suddenly there are 0 members and 11 guest visiting the 10-year-old topic on VLS....!!!
What method you play the numbers must consistently have a higher probability to win than lose.
When you have a consistently higher probability to lose than win, you actually have the same probability to win than lose.
What you don't want to have is the usual swing from win a lot to lose a lot which is the case for most systems. Such system, method, strategy is useless no matter how small the variance volatility. Contrary to common believe, the larger the volatility the better is the return.
This is advantage play in whatever form basically with the use of physical attributes of the wheel and ball motion(not physics) and, or pure math alone.
If you use neither of the above where one is more likely to happen than the opposite other then you are guessing or pure gambling.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 02, 08:45 PM 2018
I love straight up bets. I've also found ways to play betting splits where the player can benefit from hot/cold numbers. This circles back to a pattern style though. If you chart past spins (just for research) and see where the cold numbers were - where the hot numbers were - there's almost always a hot number next to a cold number. The split bet can help the player because the hot number wins, and eventually the cold number shows up.
Once you know this, you can start fresh with present and future spins in actual play.
You can have 10 shows on #20 for example, and 0 shows on #17 but a split bet allowed you to win 10 wins on the split until the cold number appeared (and that IS another win).
It sounds complicated but it's not - the center column numbers have 4 split bets around them (aside from the 35). One or two of them are hot while the others are cold, you can win. But that's splits. (Was a future method called "Double Cross"... maybe I'll post it at some time in the near future)
The "Minimum Interval" method I created works incredibly well - and you can work your way from the line bets (6#s) to the corner bets (4#s) to the street bets (3#s), to the split bets (2#s) and that's a few hours of playing time in a casino. One of them will typically pay off, or they all will... if it's done right it's not too hard to track and uses most of the bets available on the table without a progression... I posted about it 10 YEARS ago and it never got much traction with people - however that might have just meant it wasn't properly understood. It's not perfect.
link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=1037.0
My play now is only on straight ups though, I've moved past almost anything aside from that - it's been giving the best, reliable results with the least effort.
Hope that helps.
Good morning All,
Well that's something i never thought of before! Many thanks for the insight Turbo :thumbsup:
Now we need to to find a way to search for the minimal interval on single numbers. That would be one Hell of a job. Guess it will be a study day instead of a working day. Thanks again.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 02, 05:07 PM 2018The odds are only 2.7% that is no big deal really.
If you have 100 apples. In 37 minutes, someone steals one. You have 99 left. It's no big deal.
37 minutes later, someone steals another. You have 98 left. It's no big deal.
Keep going. It's no big deal.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 02, 05:07 PM 2018As long as your system is winning more then it loses, it doesn't have to change the odds to be profitable.
A rather big misunderstanding. You can't stop that thief. He keeps taking an apple every 37 minutes. The only way to increase your amount of apples is if your trees are growing them faster than the thief takes them away.
You cannot beat roulette long term without changing the odds. It's impossible. If your payout is always below the odds, you will lose everything eventually. Its not a complicated concept.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 02, 05:54 PM 2018But I'm misleading now according to others so please disregard my post
As long as your proof is just your misunderstandings, results from rigged games or games with unrealistic betting limits, then yes there is every logical reason to believe you are misleading people.... or should we accept proof like rigged game results?
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 02, 06:22 PM 2018Now they'll say "Patterns don't exist in random" - but of course they do.
Sure if you count reds and blacks normally spinning around the same amount of time after 1,000 spins. You might call that a "pattern", and it's predictable, but you can't use it to change the odds.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 02, 06:35 PM 2018Eddy your #'s +217 betting repeats, but what progression used?
Whats the purpose of progression when it's just changing the amount you risk?
A martingale player thinks he's making a string of bets like 1,2,4,8 etc. But it;s all in his head. All he's doing is making 1 bet with 1 unit. 1 bet with 2 units. 1 bet with 4 units etc. It's no different if he makes those bets alone, or several different players make the bets.
Progression is delusion if you think you are increasing your chance of winning. You are actually increasing your chance of losing. but for the gambler, he is hoping his progression can survive a bad run, and still profit. It will work for a while. It will work for some players. And for others, they lose bigger. So all progression does is increase the stakes. Increase your chance of losing big. Progression is a loan with high interest, and you never know when you have to pay it back.
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Last night; Bankroll; progression. +148
Hey Steve
We just hear you talking about changing odds, What do you mean with that ?
How does your computer change the odds ? Can you elaborate more on this theme : odds changing
Like if you bet 1 number, normally you win 1 in 37 times on average. But if you increase accuracy of predictions, you change the odds to say 1 win every 15 spins. Then who cares if the payout in 35-1.
Its a simple but critical concept.
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 05:43 AM 2018
Like if you bet 1 number, normally you win 1 in 37 times on average. But if you increase accuracy of predictions, you change the odds to say 1 win every 15 spins. Then who cares if the payout in 35-1.
Its a simple but critical concept.
Thanks for all the input guys!
Steve, is it your belief that no probability or pattern theory/system can obtain this accuracy?
Quote from: ZERO on May 03, 05:49 AM 2018Steve, is it your belief that no probability or pattern theory/system can obtain this accuracy?
Probability is how often something will happen, whatever the variables are. If important variables cannot be measured, the probability cannot be measured beyond random. Ie you'll be stuck at 1 in 37.
Patterns are the result of correlation between variables and events. Sure you can use patterns to change odds. The problem is what most players think are patterns are not at all patterns. For example, the law of a third is not a pattern. Its normal probability.
When a player recognizes a real pattern, and finds the relationship to variables, then develops a clearly defined model of the relationships, including dynamic ones, then they'll beat roulette in more than enough conditions.
Its all just correlation between data and events. I did the same with my stock and crypto trading bot. Like roulette, its just crunching data to find a reliable edge.
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Quote from: Steve on May 03, 05:58 AM 2018Probability is how often something will happen, whatever the variables are. If important variables cannot be measured, the probability cannot be measured beyond random. Ie you'll be stuck at 1 in 37.
Using repeaters as an example. What is the correlation between spins? Besides release points, or a series of reactions from observers, i dont know of any correlation.
But if repeaters were relevant and could change odds, then analysing probabilities after repeaters would show the correlation. It has been well tested. There is no correlation besides in cases of bias. So playing with repeaters is no better than random bets.
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 03:27 AM 2018You can't stop that thief. He keeps taking an apple every 37 minutes. The only way to increase your amount of apples is if your trees are growing them faster than the thief takes them away.
:thumbsup:
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Okay Steve it's 1/37
Notto, I have a sense of humor. They arent funny. You could at least put more thought into it.
Be original. Bet you've never seen this.
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I've seen that as many times i've read your statement 1/37
BORING
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 03:27 AM 201837 minutes later, someone steals another. You have 98 left. It's no big deal.
Keep going. It's no big deal.
Sure if you count reds and blacks normally spinning around the same amount of time after 1,000 spins. You might call that a "pattern", and it's predictable, but you can't use it to change the odds.
In the other analogy - someone works a job and earns money. The state and gov't taxes that money (takes a percentage) over and over and over - yet people still get rich who know how to do it.
The "tax" on roulette (house edge) doesn't prevent any player from winning long term.
Neither would it if there were no house edge but you gave the dealer a 2 or 3 percent "tip" on each spin. You could still win long term.
Reds/Blacks and even money never give a predictable pattern. Other data does though.
So Steve - give me an example of something in roulette that can be predicted.
Something to put in that column of things that are incredibly likely to happen.
You seem to believe nothing is going to happen in future spins that a person could
use to their advantage but that's not true. So list one (or a few). Hell, to start they can even be easy ones.
ex. There will be at least one number that will repeat in 37 spins.
or One street can go 100 spins without appearing (true)
there are TONS, just name a few. Then you can maybe begin to see what can
be exploited and what can't.
Or you can say "nothing is predictable, nothing ever happens.. all players who play lose"
which is nonsense.
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 05:43 AM 2018
Like if you bet 1 number, normally you win 1 in 37 times on average. But if you increase accuracy of predictions, you change the odds to say 1 win every 15 spins. Then who cares if the payout in 35-1.
Its a simple but critical concept.
Ok understood
I wrote the same yesterday in another threwad on this point
Thx for the confirmation
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 02, 06:22 PM 2018
If I can show you a pattern that happens almost every single time you run off spins - then surely you can make a chart just like the ones I posted..
Turbo,
when you say ''pattern'', do you mean a sequence of numbers that have a precise relation one to another, or approximate relation one to another? Is there a specific length, like a pattern, or variable length? Or is it one single relationship between 2 nrs,( like: +/- 1 between a spin and the 4th before)?
I personally think and I am backed by Steve, that increasing accuracy of predictions is only possible with help of physic, in other words the cause-effect model is the way to make accurate predictions, all others patterns, hotties, coldies etc are nonsense because there is no cause-effect relation in them.
Quote from: Bigbroben on May 03, 07:03 AM 2018Turbo,
when you say ''pattern'', do you mean a sequence of numbers that have a precise relation one to another, or approximate relation one to another? Is there a specific length, like a pattern, or variable length? Or is it one single relationship between 2 nrs,( like: +/- 1 between a spin and the 4th before)?
A pattern can be in the numbers and how they appear or even a visual pattern on the table.
You can re-arrange the numbers also in any way that you want (or randomly, etc) and in the next cycle the same pattern will appear.
If I know a pattern is going to happen and I bet on the last puzzle piece to appear - I win when it does. If it never appears, it's not a good pattern to use.
In my case I have a simple way to use multiple patterns while the game is playing out and I only need one of the patterns to complete to win.
So in a "Beautiful Mind" moment someone (Steve for example) can look at the board and see no pattern. I see it though. He can say it doesn't mean sh*t for future spins but my pattern will complete, or one of them will.. and I win.
I'm using this example of pattern play this week online at Parx and posted the chart, it's been dramatically increasing as well as I choose the most reliable patterns to use and dismiss the others.
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Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 06:53 AM 2018The state and gov't taxes that money (takes a percentage) over and over and over - yet people still get rich who know how to do it.
people gain wealth despite tax because their income exceeds expenses.
Tax is a bad comparison. Its not like the house edge. Tax is paid only from profit. The house edge drains you all the way to $0.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 06:53 AM 2018The "tax" on roulette (house edge) doesn't prevent any player from winning long term.
The house edge is more like the apple thief example. He will drain you until theres nothing left. He wont limit what he steals.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 06:53 AM 2018Reds/Blacks and even money never give a predictable pattern. Other data does though.
What if instead of betting individual repeating numbers you bet the number's colors? You wouldnt have an edge? It's a contradiction.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 06:53 AM 2018So Steve - give me an example of something in roulette that can be predicted.
Something to put in that column of things that are incredibly likely to happen.
Ok. The ball will fall as it loses momentum. A dependable pattern.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 06:53 AM 2018You seem to believe nothing is going to happen in future spins that a person could
use to their advantage but that's not true.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying repeaters have no correlation to future spins, and using them for bet selection is no better than random bets.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 06:53 AM 2018There will be at least one number that will repeat in 37 spins.
or One street can go 100 spins without appearing (true)
there are TONS, just name a few.
You said it all before. You still arent knowing which numbers will repeat this time and which wont. You'll still be a little bit wrong and end up about -2.7%. A coincidental number?
Turbo id love to see something new. All your old black and white videos show nothing of substance. And i still haven't seen a single thing that's a proof of concept. Again everything points the other way.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 07:33 AM 2018
I choose the most reliable patterns to use and dismiss the others.
Ok, so I just imagine: give a few spins, check for patterns ( could take a while to note or its an obvious find?), bet accordingly and discard if too many fails with one of the chosen?
When they come, they come way more often than 1 in 37, or slightly above?
For anyone Who doesn't know what a minimum interval means.
Minimum interval is the least amount of spins that any location
showed and then showed again.
Cheers,
Ed
Ross remember said 6 zeros
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To all now at;
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the question is what's the progression and how many bankroll resets
look at the checkpoint box.
spins 11-40; 15 repeats and 15 non-hit :thumbsup:
graph of 120 spins... :xd:
Quote from: maestro on May 03, 01:00 PM 2018
graph of 120 spins... :xd:
good one maestro :thumbsup:
Quote from: PassionRuleta on May 03, 12:57 PM 2018
This is the holy truth of vaddis :twisted: :thumbsup:
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Great Graph.
So are you going to say how you actually play this ?
How the hell do we insert a picture instead of attachment?
Quote from: Bigbroben on May 03, 04:18 PM 2018
How the hell do we insert a picture instead of attachment?
When you post a message, you'll see above the smily's other options. you need the 3rd option from the left (UPLOAD IMAGE) choose your image from your computer and done.
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Quote from: jekhb76 on May 03, 08:23 AM 2018
For anyone Who doesn't know what a minimum interval means.
Minimum interval is the least amount of spins that any location
showed and then showed again.
Cheers,
Ed
Usualy the bets from lines (Double Streets) - Corners - Streets have all completed their way to a minimum interval of "1" around spin 300 !
to continue betting on the splits and straight ups won't be duable in 1 day. you need to select the selection you want to bet on before you begin.
from even changes to straight up's isn't possible in 1 day. I suggest to skip the 1:2 and 1:3 bets and proceed right away to the line bets and when they all have a minimal interval of "1" and you still have the time to play you could go for the corners, but not further. and i suggest to stop as soon your wingoal is there.
cheers.
ed
Quote from: Bigbroben on May 03, 04:18 PM 2018
How the hell do we insert a picture instead of attachment?
Click reply to see the full message editor. Then you can just cut and paste an image like in a ms word document. Or you can use the upload image, or insert image icon. Cut and paste is easiest if you copied an image to clipboard.
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 04:49 PM 2018
Click reply to see the full message editor. Then you can just cut and paste an image like in a ms word document. Or you can use the upload image, or insert image icon. Cut and paste is easiest if you copied an image to clipboard.
I just gave him the awnser!
QuoteEnough to win with chips of â,¬ 1 more than â,¬ 200 and without extreme complications of falling cash.
Imagine with chips of â,¬ 25.
imagine does not go this way...imagine where all starts :xd: :xd:
good luck
Just some advice here;
If there are members Who want to try out the minimal interval strategy, don't get Straight to the single numbers and expect that All number Will Have a "1" minimal interval in notime! It could take up to around 700-1000 spins before every number Goes to "1"
For this your best bet would be to stop once a Nice profit is reached.
Again, Just some advice, do with it as you please. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 07:38 AM 2018Ok. The ball will fall as it loses momentum. A dependable pattern.
So you mean to tell me - honestly... that you can't post 1 thing about the game that is almost guaranteed to happen every time you play ?
You know I'm not talking about the ball leaving the track, I'm talking about how the game progresses - and not 1 thing you can say happens almost all of the time.
If I'm misleading, then you are as well by not being honest when it comes to a simple question because answering it might mean something ? I don't get it.
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Now +2000 from earlier today.
I don't care what Steve is going to say, but like TG says , repeats needs a good progression.
But you'll need to work with your bankroll; bankroll and prog :thumbsup:
Roulettebeater :yawn: :yawn:
Ok,
so there are lots of patterns ...
Without showing them all, would you show only one, as example?
This would be ....
Awesome.
You'd be...
Handsome.
Then I'll beat...
Random.
Turbo, there will probably be some reds and blacks. Is that better?
Quote from: nottophammer on May 03, 06:20 PM 2018
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Now +2000 from earlier today.
I don't care what Steve is going to say, but like TG says , repeats needs a good progression.
But you'll need to work with your bankroll; bankroll and prog :thumbsup:
Notto, anyone can achieve those results with random bets and basic progression.
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 06:30 PM 2018Turbo, there will probably be some reds and blacks. Is that better?
No it's not. I'm seriously wondering why you're unwilling to answer it.
Jesus, I've even posted some... just use one of mine - "All minimum intervals will reach 0 given enough spins" or "on average 24 numbers will appear in a cycle of 37 spins" or whatever. "IF" you could answer this, you would also have to admit that the game can be predictable, not perfectly but predictable "enough" even though it's random and every spin is independent.
But you already know this, or else you would have replied with something.
So why is it you won't answer it ?
Quote from: Bigbroben on May 03, 06:24 PM 2018Without showing them all, would you show only one, as example?
Sure but you can do it yourself.
Make a chart of the table for example - or use RX or whatever visual layout you have, run off spins (use a whole cycle of spins - 37 or 38 depending on your table) and mark the numbers off as you go. And no, it doesn't matter if you use the table layout as it is or you make up your own. Do this repeatedly and record the results - even if that means taking a screen shot when you're done with a cycle.
Once you've done it a bunch of times - look at them, find a pattern - there is one.
What happens each and every time you run off a cycle of spins ? What doesn't happen ?
Now you have a basis to bet right from the start without needing to chart and record and test anymore. You'll see something that happens each and every time, once you know this you'll know how to exploit it.
That's one example, there's plenty of them.
Don't waste your time with "After X happens, do Y" - more along the lines of "X always happens when I run a test" or "Y never once has happened in all of my tests"
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 07:00 PM 2018
Notto, anyone can achieve those results with random bets and basic progression.
Yes oh great one, but how many on the leaderboard are still on the starting 1000, all i see are resets after reset, the never ending bankroll.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 07:08 PM 2018
Make a chart of the table for example - or use RX or whatever visual layout you have, run off spins (use a whole cycle of spins - 37 or 38 depending on your table) and mark the numbers off as you go. And no, it doesn't matter if you use the table layout as it is or you make up your own. Do this repeatedly and record the results - even if that means taking a screen shot when you're done with a cycle.
Once you've done it a bunch of times - look at them, find a pattern - there is one.
What happens each and every time you run off a cycle of spins ? What doesn't happen ?
Now you have a basis to bet right from the start without needing to chart and record and test anymore. You'll see something that happens each and every time, once you know this you'll know how to exploit it.
That's one example, there's plenty of them.
Don't waste your time with "After X happens, do Y" - more along the lines of "X always happens when I run a test" or "Y never once has happened in all of my tests"
Holyyy wo:! YES YESS! I like this post! :D :thumbsup: :wink:
Quote from: nottophammer on May 03, 07:25 PM 2018
Yes oh great one, but how many on the leaderboard are still on the starting 1000, all i see are resets after reset, the never ending bankroll.
Good Night Master Nottophammer! +2000 :twisted: :twisted: :wink:
Turbo i did answer it. You just didnt like my answer. but ok, lets use one of your answers:
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 07:08 PM 2018on average 24 numbers will appear in a cycle of 37 spins" or whatever.
Great, but it doesn't help because you are still stuck with 1 in 37.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 07:08 PM 2018What happens each and every time you run off a cycle of spins ? What doesn't happen ?
I assume you mean repeaters. Almost always. So when you see a repeater, start betting on it. Eventually you have a few repeaters you're betting on. Which are gonna repeat again? Some will, some wont. And in the end you are still stuck with 1 in 37.
Please tell me, what am I missing?
You know its basic probability that some numbers will repeat. But it doesnt help, at all.
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 07:59 PM 2018
Turbo i did answer it. You just didnt like my answer. but ok, lets use one of your answers:
Great, but it doesn't help because you are still stuck with 1 in 37.
I assume you mean repeaters. Almost always. So when you see a repeater, start betting on it. Eventually you have a few repeaters you're betting on. Which are gonna repeat again? Some will, some wont. And in the end you are still stuck with 1 in 37.
Please tell me, what am I missing?
You know its basic probability that some numbers will repeat. But it doesnt help, at all.
all repeaters are gonna repeat again, not most but all. Not nessesary in the next cycle of 37 spins, but they all will.
No we only need to know how to benefit from those stats.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 01:18 AM 2018all repeaters are gonna repeat again, not most but all.
Sure, in enough spins, that's probable.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 01:18 AM 2018No we only need to know how to benefit from those stats.
That's just like saying "Eventually, all numbers will hit. Now we just need to know which ones will hit and when"
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 01:32 AM 2018
Sure, in enough spins, that's probable.
That's just like saying "Eventually, all numbers will hit. Now we just need to know which ones will hit and when"
what i d not the best option ofcourse, but gives some profits.
is run 35 tspins
pick all the numbers that repeated at flatbet them all for the next 35 spins.
all numbers that didn't repeat again will be removed from our selection and all the repeated ones from the second cylce will be added and spin again 35 spins etc etc.
That doesn't work. You are still left with 1 in 37 accuracy.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 01:47 AM 2018
That doesn't work. You are still left with 1 in 37 accuracy.
I know, but atleast it gives me profit and i can go home.
Because i only play numbers that are performing above expected.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 07:08 PM 2018
No it's not. I'm seriously wondering why you're unwilling to answer it.
Jesus, I've even posted some... just use one of mine - "All minimum intervals will reach 0 given enough spins" or "on average 24 numbers will appear in a cycle of 37 spins" or whatever. "IF" you could answer this, you would also have to admit that the game can be predictable, not perfectly but predictable "enough" even though it's random and every spin is independent.
But you already know this, or else you would have replied with something.
So why is it you won't answer it ?
Sure but you can do it yourself.
Make a chart of the table for example - or use RX or whatever visual layout you have, run off spins (use a whole cycle of spins - 37 or 38 depending on your table) and mark the numbers off as you go. And no, it doesn't matter if you use the table layout as it is or you make up your own. Do this repeatedly and record the results - even if that means taking a screen shot when you're done with a cycle.
Once you've done it a bunch of times - look at them, find a pattern - there is one.
What happens each and every time you run off a cycle of spins ? What doesn't happen ?
Now you have a basis to bet right from the start without needing to chart and record and test anymore. You'll see something that happens each and every time, once you know this you'll know how to exploit it.
That's one example, there's plenty of them.
Don't waste your time with "After X happens, do Y" - more along the lines of "X always happens when I run a test" or "Y never once has happened in all of my tests"
That Will leave us with a bunch of screenshots with on every screenshots All the numbers that Have not hit.
But what Will that show us what kind of patetn we will have? You've lost me. Can you explaining further?
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 01:53 AM 2018
That won't give me 1:37 it gives me profit and i can go home.
Because i only play numbers that are performing above expected. So 2:37 at least.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 01:53 AM 2018I know, but atleast it gives me profit and i can go home.
Thats like saying "I know at least random bets will give me a profit so i can go home"
I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy. I didnt design this world.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 02:02 AM 2018
Thats like saying "I know at least random bets will give me a profit so i can go home"
I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy. I didnt design this world.
But steve, they aren't random bets!, random bets are bets bein' placed without any reason. (at least, that's the way i look at it).
When i bet on numbers that are performing above expected, it ain't random bets anymore.
I know where you are coming from, i understand. but everyone can have his own few on how things are bein' played.
It is all about walking out the door with profit. every time we do that, the casino lose.
Eddy
The concept of repeater is based on a fallacy but in order to make money you don’t neee a valid concept, you can make money with fallacious system too on condition that you are a disciplined player !
You can call me crazy, well maybe i am a little :lol:
Spend almost 10 hours playing yesterday at my local casino. 10:37 a.m. - 20.24 p.m. :yawn: Yes was a very long day, but hey a man has gotta work for a living. :smile:
Total Spins Played: 303 at the roulette machine connected to the live table. Here i can place a min. of 1â,¬ bets, so comfertable enough with a bank of 1000â,¬ :love:
When i went home i made a profit of 736â,¬ ! not bad, and very duable for a long day at the office. :twisted:
And yes steve, played only repeaters !!!!!
I replayed my spins on RX for you guys to show some stats. (I always replay my daily session, So i can look at stats, when needed)
Today i have an offday. spending time with my family and one more hospital visit with my son :(
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 02:54 AM 2018
Eddy
The concept of repeater is based on a fallacy but in order to make money you don’t neee a valid concept, you can make money with fallacious system too on condition that you are a disciplined player !
And disciplined i am :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 02:22 AM 2018
But steve, they aren't random bets!, random bets are bets bein' placed without any reason. (at least, that's the way i look at it).
Thats like betting 0 when you happen to pass wind. Its not random either.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 07:00 AM 2018Thats like betting 0 when you happen to pass wind. Its not random either.
At a live table, that's one way to make sure you cleat the area to get a seat
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 07:00 AM 2018
Thats like betting 0 when you happen to pass wind. Its not random either.
You can randomize it further in case you wait for two consecutive farts’ then place your bet on 0.
But hold on, I am afraid this stragedy won’t work !
Reason is, players might consume lots of “chickpeas†to increase their fartingproduction, thereby the process won’t be random
:xd: :xd:
Funny, everyone seems to know it Always better, but no one reacts on my winnings :question: i know repeaters don't work, it's All gambler fallacy. But somehow the repeaters Have given me the last months only winning days :lol:
Not a HG in a Long shot, and maybe it's because i'm Lucky up till now, but i Have fun as Long as it lasts. And i'm doin' it all for a reason.
Every now and then, whatever strategy you use does well. Dont mistake it for effectiveness. I won with a losing system for a year before learning my lesson.
It would save you time and money to understand now. But back then i wouldn't have listened either.
I guess everyone needs to learn for themselves.
Jek,
What holland casino do you visit?
R
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 07:08 PM 2018
No it's not. I'm seriously wondering why you're unwilling to answer it.
Jesus, I've even posted some... just use one of mine - "All minimum intervals will reach 0 given enough spins" or "on average 24 numbers will appear in a cycle of 37 spins" or whatever. "IF" you could answer this, you would also have to admit that the game can be predictable, not perfectly but predictable "enough" even though it's random and every spin is independent.
But you already know this, or else you would have replied with something.
So why is it you won't answer it ?
Sure but you can do it yourself.
Make a chart of the table for example - or use RX or whatever visual layout you have, run off spins (use a whole cycle of spins - 37 or 38 depending on your table) and mark the numbers off as you go. And no, it doesn't matter if you use the table layout as it is or you make up your own. Do this repeatedly and record the results - even if that means taking a screen shot when you're done with a cycle.
Once you've done it a bunch of times - look at them, find a pattern - there is one.
What happens each and every time you run off a cycle of spins ? What doesn't happen ?
Now you have a basis to bet right from the start without needing to chart and record and test anymore. You'll see something that happens each and every time, once you know this you'll know how to exploit it.
That's one example, there's plenty of them.
Don't waste your time with "After X happens, do Y" - more along the lines of "X always happens when I run a test" or "Y never once has happened in all of my tests"
Turbo,
Here we have 10 charts of 37 spin cycles.
Can you explain where we need to look, because i can't see it.
The only thing that attrack my attention is that in 9/10 times, when a number is hot it also has a number next to it, that also has 1 or more hits. A hot number doesn't become a hot number on his own. But that's it. I can't see any other things.Thnx
QuoteI'm not trying to be a negative Nancy. I didnt design this world.
and thanks fuck for that..... :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
With regards to hotties or repeaters, I think these numbers that hit above expectation are the result of consistent spins, a consistent dealer who spins the ball consistently will generate more hotties than a chaotic dealer...
So to hotties fans: if you want to play repeaters, find a table with lazy dealer
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 08:19 AM 2018
Turbo,
Here we have 10 charts of 37 spin cycles.
Can you explain where we need to look, because i can't see it.
The only thing that attrack my attention is that in 9/10 times, when a number is hot it also has a number next to it, that also has 1 or more hits. A hot number doesn't become a hot number on his own. But that's it. I can't see any other things.Thnx
What I notice is that all the hits with 2 become 3 in the next cycle not all but a good chunk.
1 cycle to the second was 3 numbers got 2 hits
2-3 2 hits removing each number as it hits .
3-4 7hits
4-5. 5 hits
5-6 3 hits
6-7. 5 hits
7-8. 6 hits
89. 6 hits
9 -10. 3 hits
Give me more of those I would like to see if there is more
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 08:19 AM 2018
when a number is hot it also has a number next to it
Dutchboy:
As I previously said, the numbers don’t get hot, part of the wheel gets hot, this occur only when the dealer is spinning consistently or he is targeting one side of the wheel intentionally
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 10:20 AM 2018
Dutchboy:
As I previously said, the numbers don’t get hot, part of the wheel gets hot, this occur only when the dealer is spinning consistently or he is targeting one side of the wheel intentionallyb
Dealers could care less where they are targeting they don't know you they work for min.wages they see thousands of people a day .unless they have friends playing.
Quote from: Winner on May 04, 10:37 AM 2018
Dealers could care less where they are targeting they don't know you they work for min.wages they see thousands of people a day .unless they have friends playing.
Again a false information !
Dude, dealers can target parts of the wheel, especially if there are two or more high-rollers gamblers playing !
#no to fake news, information
After some more research i noticed something very odd, that i never saw before.
After a cycle of 37 spins, i noticed that all fallen numbers have at least one connection with one of his neighbours.
Non of the fallen numbers wil stand alone in the dark. every # is connected with atleast one more.
i ran a couple of more tests to confirm my theory, and everytime the same outcome happend.
In some cycles, there were 1 or 2 numbers not connected with another, but that would happen a few spins later.
mmmmm
Don't know if turbo knew this, hope that he wil respond.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 10:42 AM 2018
After some more research i noticed something very odd, that i never saw before.
After a cycle of 37 spins, i noticed that all fallen numbers have at least one connection with one of his neighbours.
Non of the fallen numbers wil stand alone in the dark. every # is connected with atleast one more.
i ran a couple of more tests to confirm my theory, and everytime the same outcome happend.
In some cycles, there were 1 or 2 numbers not connected with another, but that would happen a few spins later.
mmmmm
Don't know if turbo knew this, hope that he wil respond.
:thumbsup:
Turbo is the enemy of physics, he has lost his faith in physics, he is kind of guy who think random beats random... this theory is a fallacy, it’s as saying the earth if flat !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 10:44 AM 2018
:thumbsup:
Turbo is the enemy of physics, he has lost his faith in physics, he is kind of guy who think random beats random... this theory is a fallacy, it’s as saying the earth if flat !
But maybe we can use a way to let this work in our advantage. if we know that all or most hit numbers will have a connection.
just thinking out loud.
Moral of the story :
Hotties are backed by physics, law of the motion, so there is nothing wrong in playing hotties, it can be profitable if accompanied with discipline
Take a big sample of data, then try to focus on the behavior of hotties, you will definitely find out that somewhere there were more hotties than cold numbers, then followed by More colds than hot ...
Why that happens ?
Because the wheel produces more hotties if it’s stable in term of speeds and variance ( a touch of dealer Signatur here )
moral of...? :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 07:58 AM 2018
Every now and then, whatever strategy you use does well. Dont mistake it for effectiveness. I won with a losing system for a year before learning my lesson.
What system did you use that won for a year?
Did you lose all your winnings for that year when it tanked?
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 10:42 AM 2018After some more research i noticed something very odd, that i never saw before.
Good for you Ed :thumbsup: That's what has to be done to find out whether a method is any good, keep looking, see something knew, test and test.
Here's the #'s
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You can see the KTF result.
But its repeats, that we all want to succeed with.
Here spend is 186; return 324; so +138
Bankroll; progression
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 10:42 AM 2018
After some more research i noticed something very odd, that i never saw before.
After a cycle of 37 spins, i noticed that all fallen numbers have at least one connection with one of his neighbours.
Non of the fallen numbers wil stand alone in the dark. every # is connected with atleast one more.
i ran a couple of more tests to confirm my theory, and everytime the same outcome happend.
In some cycles, there were 1 or 2 numbers not connected with another, but that would happen a few spins later.
mmmmm
Don't know if turbo knew this, hope that he wil respond.
Do you mean the neighbours on the wheel or on the layout?
Quote from: boyd30 on May 04, 01:05 PM 2018
Do you mean the neighbours on the wheel or on the layout?
if you went through the comments, you wouldn't ask this question.
you aren't doing your homework correctly! it's a shame!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 10:40 AM 2018
Again a false information !
Dude, dealers can target parts of the wheel, especially if there are two or more high-rollers gamblers playing !
#no to fake news, information
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 01:14 PM 2018
if you went through the comments, you wouldn't ask this question.
you aren't doing your homework correctly! it's a shame!
Speak for yourself! Jekhb76 doesn't say it in his post. Besides much BS and nonsense not related to roulette here.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 10:40 AM 2018
Again a false information !
Dude, dealers can target parts of the wheel, especially if there are two or more high-rollers gamblers playing !
#no to fake news, information
If the high roller knows he can do that he t play there its all crap there is maybe 1% that can actually hit a sector non can hit the number they want .its not consistent enough .you will always lose even with physics.
Quote from: boyd30 on May 04, 01:29 PM 2018
Speak for yourself! Jekhb76 doesn't say it in his post. Besides much BS and nonsense not related to roulette here.
Don't spill your Energy Boyd, ik wil Make a new thread later on, with a step by step explenation, so that everyone can understand.
Just played a session for testing with 1u bets, flatbet. Biggest drawdown was -12u. Profit after 37 spins was +18u with a peak at +60u. Think we maybe up to something here.
And the best thing is that it does 't reguire any waiting, you can start Right away from spin 1.
Even if we have a 37/37 spin cycle with No repeats you still Will Have profit, now how Fine is that? :lol:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 04, 01:48 PM 2018
Don't spill your Energy Boyd, ik wil Make a new thread later on, with a step by step explenation, so that everyone can understand.
Just played a session for testing with 1u bets, flatbet. Biggest drawdown was -12u. Profit after 37 spins was +18u with a peak at +60u. Think we maybe up to something here.
And the best thing is that it does 't reguire any waiting, you can start Right away from spin 1.
Even if we have a 37/37 spin cycle with No repeats you still Will Have profit, now how Fine is that? :lol:
Nice
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 07:00 PM 2018
Notto, anyone can achieve those results with random bets and basic progression.
The never ending lecture.
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Quote from: nottophammer on May 04, 06:41 PM 2018
The never ending lecture.
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Sorry notto, i meant to say no other system is capable of such a huge feat. You have a unique hg system. Go get them casinos. What you want is reality regardless of reality. Im just full of shit and have no idea.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 06:52 PM 2018
Sorry notto, i meant to say no other system is capable of such a huge feat. You have a unique hg system. Go get them casinos. What you want is reality regardless of reality. Im just full of shit and have no idea.
Your words
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Bankroll Steve, that's what it's about. TG tried to explain, but i guess those who have never ending bankrolls; is the way to win, Ha,Ha
Quote from: nottophammer on May 04, 07:40 PM 2018
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Bankroll Steve, that's what it's about. TG tried to explain, but i guess those who have never ending bankrolls; is the way to win, Ha,Ha
Absolutely. Winnings vs losses is irrelevant. The win rate shouldnt even be calculated. The bankroll regardless of resets is what matters. Only mpr allows bankroll resets. You are so clever and right on every point.
@Turbo
Regarding the Hot/cold numbers from the mid colum, aren't we betting om too many numbers at some Point?
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 05, 01:18 PM 2018@Turbo
Regarding the Hot/cold numbers from the mid colum, aren't we betting om too many numbers at some Point?
No, I end up betting only two numbers with the splits around them.
My name for it was DoubleCross since it appears on the table as two crosses.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 05, 07:30 PM 2018
No, I end up betting only two numbers with the splits around them.
My name for it was DoubleCross since it appears on the table as two crosses.
Ok thanks. :thumbsup:
Sorry to ask further, but i'm Just curious :ooh:
Do we start only betting when a number from the middle colum is hot and we play also the numbers around then wich are cold at the same Time? Everytime we get a hit on those numbers we add 1 unit?
Thanks.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 02, 06:42 PM 2018
No,
Now a couple of weeks ago i posted a topic called repeats, progression. I removed it, it was too good.
Two others know of it.
I’ve taken a lot of screenshots on my phone over the last few months...I’ve crossed referenced all popular topics and searched major contributors..I have one from april the 2nd which i can’t find in any of the popular topics anything on that date
Could this be it notty? I didn’t screenshot the actual topic header or poster just the progression and method
To be honest I think it is after reading the screenshots...it nearly coincides in what I came up with how turbo plays..
Or close to it..I’ve only given that information to one other person on here
This forum is 6 years old and turbo never revealed how he plays, all what we hear is only rumors ... maybe he isn’t that super star ?
Quote from: 6th-sense on May 06, 07:34 AM 2018
To be honest I think it is after reading the screenshots...it nearly coincides in what I came up with how turbo plays..
Or close to it..I’ve only given that information to one other person on here
Please don't share this information with me or Roulettebeater.
Turbo turbo everywhere turbo
You guys are nuts ....
Keep dreaming ... one day you will wake up
Me enjoying the sun and you waiting for turbo ... the party didn’t start yet ... :xd:
And people say "I'm" the one who wants attention and has a ego problem.
Go figure.
The haters/trolls will always be around, in the end they still read every single post I make.. kind of strange isn't it ?
It’s clear who wants attention!
You playing the little master who is pulling the yea sayers behind !
Keep doing your job, you remind me of the carrot and the stick, one time you pull, rest of time you push, you doing great job !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 06, 09:24 AM 2018You playing the little master who is pulling the yea sayers behind !
LOL
Haters gonna hate. Bakers gonna bake.
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To be fair roulettebeater and lucky 7 ..turbo is just another poster same as you two..
I don’t follow him or read all his post...
But his posts and jekkys perseverance and the repeats staring you in the face is what interest me
Why would I be waiting for turbo?..
Stupid comment..waiting for what?
Get ayk s tracker ...listen to what’s being said ..
If you spent more time looking instead of posting negative comments I would like you a lot more..
As I say to my kids when they behave like this ..
Grow up ..if you have nothing nice to say then don’t say anything ..
It’s embarrassing show some self respect
Quote from: 6th-sense on May 06, 09:56 AM 2018
To be fair roulettebeater and lucky 7 ..turbo is just another poster same as you two..
I don’t follow him or read all his post...
But his posts and jekkys perseverance and the repeats staring you in the face is what interest me
Why would I be waiting for turbo?..
Stupid comment..waiting for what?
Get ayk s tracker ...listen to what’s being said ..
If you spent more time looking instead of posting negative comments I would like you a lot more..
As I say to my kids when they behave like this ..
Grow up ..if you have nothing nice to say then don’t say anything ..
It’s embarrassing show some self respect
Well said, it's time that you All growup.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 06, 08:44 AM 2018
And people say "I'm" the one who wants attention and has a ego problem.
Go figure.
Can you disappear?
Go figure how? :question:
Quote from: Lucky7Red on May 06, 12:25 PM 2018
Can you disappear?
Go figure how? :question:
Turbogenius has been posting rubbish on many forums for years and years.Forums like gamblers Glenn etc.
Just ignore him and his rubbish
Quote from: moles40 on May 07, 08:27 AM 2018
Turbogenius has been posting rubbish on many forums for years and years.Forums like gamblers Glenn etc.
Just ignore him and his rubbish
Maybe if you guys show some respect, he might explain things further.
But aslong people are reacting like children, he doesn't.
Some member Have a hard Time to be respectful towards other members, grow up.
If you don't like what he is posting, Just don't reply.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 07, 08:44 AM 2018
Maybe if you guys show some respect, he might explain things further.
But aslong people are reacting like children, he doesn't.
Some member Have a hard Time to be respectful towards other members, grow up.
If you don't like what he is posting, Just don't reply.
Oh jek
I have had always respect toward you, at a certain point I even believed you are winner ! But after this i am gonna change my mind ...
You and some others are begging turbo, you are demonstrating that your are desperate ... not everyone is a sucker and turbo knows the rule of the games very well, he is holding the carrot in his left hand an the stick in the right one...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 07, 09:04 AM 2018
Oh jek
I have had always respect toward you, at a certain point I even believed you are winner ! But after this i am gonna change my mind ...
You and some others are begging turbo, you are demonstrating that your are desperate ... not everyone is a sucker and turbo knows the rule of the games very well, he is holding the carrot in his left hand an the stick in the right one...
I'm not begging anyone! I Just can't understand why some members react like they do!
My understanding is when someone is posting something and you're not agree to it, you could ignore it.
That's All.
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Its fine if people want to argue against something, but present a proper argument and then just leave it. Trolling is a waste of time. Most people comes here to learn something or at the very least learn a better way to play. Even if its just for fun, they'll be learning to do better than they were doing. You chaps negging on people who contribute an awful lot here and in gg are a waste of space. Do you see those contributors neggin' on you in the first place. Generally not. Don't get me wrong though I love it when it kicks off for a laugh, but beyond that its pointless when you've got no point.
His startegy now appears to be bearing fruit!
The longer you wait, the more he gets excited!
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 07:33 AM 2018
A pattern can be in the numbers and how they appear or even a visual pattern on the table.
You can re-arrange the numbers also in any way that you want (or randomly, etc) and in the next cycle the same pattern will appear.
If I know a pattern is going to happen and I bet on the last puzzle piece to appear - I win when it does. If it never appears, it's not a good pattern to use.
In my case I have a simple way to use multiple patterns while the game is playing out and I only need one of the patterns to complete to win.
So in a "Beautiful Mind" moment someone (Steve for example) can look at the board and see no pattern. I see it though. He can say it doesn't mean sh*t for future spins but my pattern will complete, or one of them will.. and I win.
I'm using this example of pattern play this week online at Parx and posted the chart, it's been dramatically increasing as well as I choose the most reliable patterns to use and dismiss the others.
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Hi TG,
I agree with you regarding playing the Patterns. Baccarat players are all about the patterns and chops. With PATTERN ATTACK we are exploiting rare patterns of a 4 peat of BPP or PBB happenning. So the methodology does have merit. You just need to use proper MM and know the risks of being wrong.
In Roulette I see you have described a Dozens/Columns bet or use these two as crosshairs to place a straight up/split bet of the four numbers making the intersection of the least recent hit colum/dozen. Can you explain a bit how you would attack this sort of pattern?
What I am observing is the following:
I would wait for a column and dozen to both not appear at least 4 times. So say the 1st Dozen hasn't hit for 4 spins and the 2nd Colum has not hit for 6 spins. I place 1U on 1st Dozen and 1U on 2nd Column. So the risk/reward is:
1. Win on Column/ Lose on Dozen or Win on Dozen/Lose on Colum, +1U profit,
2. Win on Doz and Col +4U profit
3. Lose on both -2U loss
(tried working out the probability of each scenario but its been many decades since studied probability. Anyone care to help)
Anyway in terms ofthe patterns forming, eventually a colum or a dozen has to close. So betting on both we have 1 in three chance of getting at least one doz/col bet right. So I am finding betting on this trigger can yield some short term profit.
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 03, 08:23 AM 2018
For anyone Who doesn't know what a minimum interval means.
Minimum interval is the least amount of spins that any location
showed and then showed again.
Cheers,
Ed
I understand this in theory now that I read it but I'm pretty sure I'm doing some mistake on paper. Can someone provide an example how we can keep track of the minimum interval on this scenario I got from spins?
21
7
11
4
35
32
28
0
10
35
1
10
10
10
31
27
11
14
26
9
I tried tracking the times it took to hit the 6-bet lines 2nd time but I'm not sure if that's how it works...
I'm not sure, but if you mean the Turbo interval, I think the one with the highest interval is the first six
Quote from: Atelur noisap on May 07, 10:38 AM 2019
I'm not sure, but if you mean the Turbo interval, I think the one with the highest interval is the first six
I'm referring to this
"Minimum interval is the least amount of spins that any location
showed and then showed again." by jekhb76
I think I'm screwing it in the example numbers I posted ???