OK, to simplify things, let's suppose for the next 12 spins of a roulette wheel, we are confident we will win 5 EC bets. (Or we could imagine we are playing a machine in which we somehow know it has been programmed to give 5 wins in the next 12 spins.)
How could we play those 12 spins in order to be in profit, but also keep our bets as low as possible?
Well, we could play a labouchere. If 1/3, +1 of our bets win, we are in profit. Am I right in assuming this would be the best way to approach 5 wins from 12, not knowing beforehand in which order they come, of course?
Now, what would we do if we have a machine which is programmed to give us 3 wins from 12? Or, to take it further, x wins?
Can anyone solve this?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 17, 02:42 PM 2018
not knowing beforehand in which order they come
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Can anyone solve this?
No, It is not possible if you do not know the order beforehand.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 17, 02:42 PM 2018
OK, to simplify things, let's suppose for the next 12 spins of a roulette wheel, we are confident we will win 5 EC bets. (Or we could imagine we are playing a machine in which we somehow know it has been programmed to give 5 wins in the next 12 spins.)
How could we play those 12 spins in order to be in profit, but also keep our bets as low as possible?
Well, we could play a labouchere. If 1/3, +1 of our bets win, we are in profit. Am I right in assuming this would be the best way to approach 5 wins from 12, not knowing beforehand in which order they come, of course?
Now, what would we do if we have a machine which is programmed to give us 3 wins from 12? Or, to take it further, x wins?
Can anyone solve this?
Einstein has been given the same mathematical task/dilemma and asked for a solution, he took 7 days studying it... at the 7th day he went out the street and told his famous quote:
""" You cant beat roulette table "mathematically", unless you steal money from it"""".
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 17, 03:02 PM 2018
Einstein has been given the same mathematical task/dilemma and asked for a solution, he took 7 days studying it... at the 7th day he went out the street and told his famous quote:
""" You cant beat roulette table "mathematically", unless you steal money from it"""".
Funny, how many people think Einstein Really said this - - - - - > He Never did. - - - - - - - > Know Your History.
Tiers et tout?
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 17, 03:19 PM 2018Funny, how many people think Einstein Really said this - - - - - > He Never did. - - - - - - - > Know Your History.
whats your evidence that he didnt say it ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 17, 03:23 PM 2018You cant beat roulette table "mathematically", unless you steal money from it
He Said; "The only way to beat Roulette is to steal the money when the dealer's not looking."
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 17, 03:50 PM 2018
He Said; "The only way to beat Roulette is to steal the money when the dealer's not looking."
:thumbsup:
If you are referring to the Kimo Li
quote in the "Accuracy of Predictions" thread
mathematically it sounds like he is flat-bet playing
24 numbers (re: if you miss one you need three wins)
Yes, I think this can be solved. But how can we be sure to have 5 wins out of 12?
Will have to wait on the first win, before deciding what progression to use. If it was 5 spins before the first win, then we'll know that we'll win 4 out of the next 7.
If 5 wins out of 12 was guaranteed, it would be very easy to beat
Quote from: Scarface on May 17, 04:56 PM 2018Yes, I think this can be solved. But how can we be sure to have 5 wins out of 12?
ok, first of all, go and make an assessment for your IQ.
if your IQ is superior than Einstein's then we will follow u, otherwise we will save our time and watch TV instead!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 17, 04:58 PM 2018
ok, first of all, go and make an assessment for your IQ.
if your IQ is superior than Einstein's then we will follow u, otherwise we will save our time and watch TV instead!
Roulettebeater, there would be a simple solution to this if you are GUARANTEED 5 wins out of 12. Not sure if math is your strong point? As long as a progression can be used, this would be a guaranteed winner.
BUT, I dont know of any guarantees that will always produce 5 out of 7 wins on even bets without fail.
Even Einstein would agree with me on that :)
In fact, I would pay $500 just to play a game that had a guaranteed win rate of 5 out of 12 on even bets.
Quote from: Scarface on May 17, 05:03 PM 2018
Roulettebeater, there would be a simple solution to this if you are GUARANTEED 5 wins out of 12. Not sure if math is your strong point? As long as a progression can be used, this would be a guaranteed winner.
BUT, I dont know of any guarantees that will always produce 5 out of 7 wins on even bets without fail.
Even Einstein would agree with me on that :)
NO
review basic math!
Roulettebeater, seriously? Are you just the troll on this site, or just not good at basic math?
If someone is allowed to use a progression, and guaranteed 5 wins in 12 spins on an even bet this WOULD be a guaranteed winner. Like I said, I would pay a good entry fee to have these odds, since this would be very easy to beat.
I'm just answering a hypothetical question here. I'm not suggesting a win rate like that exist...just saying it would be easily won
Quote from: Scarface on May 17, 05:18 PM 2018
Roulettebeater, seriously? Are you just the troll on this site, or just not good at basic math?
If someone is allowed to use a progression, and guaranteed 5 wins in 12 spins on an even bet this WOULD be a guaranteed winner. Like I said, I would pay a good entry fee to have these odds, since this would be very easy to beat.
I'm just answering a hypothetical question here. I'm not suggesting a win rate like that exist...just saying it would be easily won
You are troll! and freshy
don't invest time or money in roulette, you will get your nose bloody!
the order of the win in the long term is your main problem in any progression...in long term we are no more interested in only 12 spins!
use your brain!
Roulettebeater, I'll give you a challenge. Whatever amount you want to wager. Loser deposits wager via paypal.
You guarantee me 5 wins out of 12 on an even bet...you pick the order 1 by 1, and I'll adjust my wager each spin. I bet I will beat this in 12 spins.
I'll put my money where my mouth is. Will you?
Quote from: Scarface on May 17, 05:38 PM 2018Roulettebeater, I'll give you a challenge. Whatever amount you want to wager. Loser deposits wager via paypal.
read my previous comment... in long term you will exceed the 12 spins and then the order will kill your progression..
think of it once again, it's not that complicated!
Mr. supersmart,
you have 5 wins out of 12 spins, lets consider 120 spins.
in 120 spins you ll have 50 wins versus 70 misses.
go on Mr. smart, tell us how can you survive if you encounter 20 consecutive misses in a row...
stop spreading lies and fake hopes
anyway, this tread show the real problem of many freshers..who believe in fallacy and think they can beat the game with math... no way, forget it..take it out your head!
this game is made with mathematical edge against you... you can beat it only with precise predictions.
Guys, I know we can't guarantee 5 from 12, it's just a "What If?" question.
What I mean is, is there a progression similar to a labby that would work for lesser ratios than a 1:3 win rate?
Roulettebeater, I responded to the hypothetical situation if 5 wins out of 12 were guaranteed, could it be beat...and the answer is yes. Why do attack someone so quickly, because obviously I was correct based on this hypothetical situation. I've been playing this game for 20+ years, and I would love it if the casino would offer this guarantee...of course they wouldn't, because they would go broke.
I would even love to have the guarantee of 50 out of 120...I'm sure I could beat this too. But I know those guarantees dont exist in the real world. But just because you couldn't work out the math in these scenarios, dont believe that it can't be beat
Quote from: daveylibra on May 17, 06:05 PM 2018
Guys, I know we can't guarantee 5 from 12, it's just a "What If?" question.
What I mean is, is there a progression similar to a labby that would work for lesser ratios than a 1:3 win rate?
Davey, it really all depends on when the hits take place. The probability will change after each hit.
Say you start out with the 5-12 ratio. You flatbet until your first hit...say it's on the 3rd spin. So, after 3 spins with 1 hit now your ratio changes to 4 to 9. Let's say it takes another 3 spins for your next hit...now the remaining ratio is 3 to 6. You would just need to adjust your bet each time based on the ratio to recover previous losses
12 spins would be easy to figure out. Supposedly, worse case scenario for even bet over 200 spins is 65 to 200. This would be alot more difficult to calculate. Would also be a holy grail in my opinion, if a bet progression could be found to beat this no matter where the wins or losses fell
Without going into ideas on progression if you could guarantee 5 EC wins from any 12 spins then the best or safest approach would be to reset the 12 spin session on a rolling basis every time you went +1, or recovered from a loss to break even.
Now write down every combination of 5 wins 7 losses over 12 spins and test some progressions.
You will find there is a way to go +1 or recover to break even for every single permutation.
That's probably the easy part.... now how you gonna guarantee 5 wins every 12 spins?
Quote from: Taotie on May 17, 09:08 PM 2018
Now write down every combination of 5 wins 7 losses over 12 spins and test some progressions.
You will find there is a way to go +1 or recover to break even for every single permutation.
That's probably the easy part.... now how you gonna guarantee 5 wins every 12 spins?
Did you mean there is one single way to decide/bet that applies to every possible outcome, or did you mean there are 100 that belong to another 100 single outcome?
Can there be a question that is applied to every spin, no matter what outcome, and a decision according to outcome?
How many possibilities are there anyways? 2^12 or 2^7 or 2^5?
Anyways, depending on how ''as low as possible'' you wanna stay, an absolute maximal continuous loss ( if garanteed 5/12 wins) is 7. So martingale with maximal 2^(7-1)u or 64u provides +5u after 12 spins.
Now, is it really 5/12 or is it an average?
Martingale?
Yes I suppose that will work if the 5/7 is guaranteed, but there will be occasions when a 128 unit bet is required, and most real world casino tables do not cover a spread of 1-128. And who really wants to ever be in the position of outlaying 255 units to win 1 unit?
Quote from: Scarface on May 17, 06:24 PM 2018
Roulettebeater, I responded to the hypothetical situation if 5 wins out of 12 were guaranteed, could it be beat...and the answer is yes. Why do attack someone so quickly, because obviously I was correct based on this hypothetical situation. I've been playing this game for 20+ years, and I would love it if the casino would offer this guarantee...of course they wouldn't, because they would go broke.
I would even love to have the guarantee of 50 out of 120...I'm sure I could beat this too. But I know those guarantees dont exist in the real world. But just because you couldn't work out the math in these scenarios, dont believe that it can't be beat
One word more and you are squeezed!
Shake it well !
:xd:
You would need a dynamic progression. I mean, the progression must change or be recalculated, depending on how many hits you already have, you current drawdown and how many hits/spins remain. A formula is possible, I have done something like it in the past.
The real problem is to have a guarantee of 5 in 12.
Quote from: vladir on May 18, 07:01 AM 2018
You would need a dynamic progression. I mean, the progression must change or be recalculated, depending on how many hits you already have, you current drawdown and how many hits/spins remain. A formula is possible, I have done something like it in the past.
The real problem is to have a guarantee of 5 in 12.
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These are 12 spins, can you show us your magic progression ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 18, 07:16 AM 2018
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These are 12 spins, can you show us your magic progression ?
Easy. Flatbet 1 unit. After the first 7 spins you're down -7 units. Now, you know you're guaranteed 5 wins in the next 5 spins....bet the maximum amount of money you have! :)
Quote from: Scarface on May 18, 08:50 AM 2018
Easy. Flatbet 1 unit. After the first 7 spins you're down -7 units. Now, you know you're guaranteed 5 wins in the next 5 spins....bet the maximum amount of money you have! :)
Hahaha
You made me laugh since long time!
Your answer shows that you lack the experience... I will tell you why:
You adjusted your stake after you saw the order of the w/l
But in real life, the order will be casual and you have no way to pre-review it
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 18, 08:55 AM 2018
Hahaha
You made me laugh since long time!
Your answer shows that you lack the experience... I will tell you why:
You adjusted your stake after you saw the order of the w/l
But in real life, the order will be casual and you have no way to pre-review it
It's called positive progression. You raise your bet after the first win. If you're new to roulette, I recommend you search positive progression. In this case, the first win came after 7 losses...7 losses was the max, so quite easy to beat
If 5 wins were guaranteed in 12 spins, this would be a holy grail. But this guarantee doesn't exist. No point discussing it further.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 18, 07:16 AM 2018
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These are 12 spins, can you show us your magic progression ?
Actually in this case its quite easy. First bet is 1 unit. Then you must keep track of your DrawDown and how many wins remain (you start at 5 wins). Then you bet at each step using this simple formula, rounded up : (Current DrawDown+1)/Remaining Wins expected.
In the specific example you provided, applying the formula would give you :
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.Try it :)
YES VLADIR !! This is the conclusion I came to.
Yet I have not found, even though I have browsed this forum a lot, any system that uses this as its basis.
And yes Scarface, I know we have no guarantee, but imagine doing this 10 times, carrying the target over.
and we can try different x & y (drawdown & wins expected.)
Quote from: daveylibra on May 18, 10:38 AM 2018
YES VLADIR !! This is the conclusion I came to.
Yet I have not found, even though I have browsed this forum a lot, any system that uses this as its basis.
And yes Scarface, I know we have no guarantee, but imagine doing this 10 times, carrying the target over.
and we can try different x & y (drawdown & wins expected.)
I guess you haven't found it because we have no guarantes of wining in any method... You can have sessions of only losses, and there is no progression that will help you with that.
If LLLLLLLWWWWW (7xL + 5xW), a simple alembert would work:
-1-2-3-4-5-6-7+8+7+6+5+4=2
A bit off topic, but just ran a few test with 12 spins. Ran a 12 spin test for 15 times in a row for a total of 180 spins and noticed something that could be made into a system.
Just looking a red/black. 14 out of 15 runs of 12 spins, had at least one series of red or black repeat at least 3 times in a row.
Using a parlay progression, 1 unit will become 8 units with 3 consecutive hits
I think this could be worked into a good system
Just ran another test of 12 spins...15 times in a row. 13 out of 15 had at least one streak of 3 red or black in a row
What's great about Vladir's formula is that it will work for ANY combination of W/L.
Now, the fabled 65 / 200. I'm willing to bet on 35 / 100.
What if we split it into 5 sets of 7 / 20 ?
We don't have to get 7 wins from 20 every time, just eventually.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 18, 11:46 AM 2018
What's great about Vladir's formula is that it will work for ANY combination of W/L.
Now, the fabled 65 / 200. I'm willing to bet on 35 / 100.
What if we split it into 5 sets of 7 / 20 ?
We don't have to get 7 wins from 20 every time, just eventually.
The problem with 65/200 is that you will get out of table limits. And the formula doesn't work for 0W combinations.
Interesting. What is this formula? I'm not familiar with this
Vladi
Thx for having posted your progression, before I dive into it, i would like to know the requirements when it can be profitable, can you sum them up ?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 18, 11:46 AM 2018
What's great about Vladir's formula is that it will work for ANY combination of W/L.
Now, the fabled 65 / 200. I'm willing to bet on 35 / 100.
What if we split it into 5 sets of 7 / 20 ?
We don't have to get 7 wins from 20 every time, just eventually.
Another thing to consider that might help us solve this: everytime we get less than 7/20...there will be another round that MUST get more than 7/20 if the end ratio is no worse than 70/200
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 18, 07:16 AM 2018
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I'm plus 2
Hi Vladi.
Sorry but what is meant by 0W combinations?
Quote from: Winner on May 18, 01:36 PM 20181111 2 4 8 16 32 64
I'm plus 2
123444565456
I'm plus 3
Fitzroy or Pluscoup method could also not be so bad. Do not the ratios of w/l it can cover but there always this one time it comes back. Can take a while though.
Add 1u per spin no matter if win or lose. Reset at +1.
If 7l and 5w:
L 1 -1
L 2 -3
L 3 -6
L 4 -10
L 5 -15
L 6 -21
L 7 -28
W 8 -20
W 9 -11
W 10 -1
W 2 +1 (bet 2 not 11 to get to +1 and not lose too much if lose)
Not garanteed to win in 12 spins no matter what, but will at some point.
7 losses were recovered in almost 3 w.
Never tested thoroughly, it also works with dozens.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 18, 12:31 PM 2018
Vladi
Thx for having posted your progression, before I dive into it, i would like to know the requirements when it can be profitable, can you sum them up ?
Basically it will be profitable if you know before playing how many guaranteed wins you are going to have in a certain ammount of spins.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 18, 02:07 PM 2018
Hi Vladi.
Sorry but what is meant by 0W combinations?
0 Wins... Only losses.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 18, 11:46 AM 2018
What's great about Vladir's formula is that it will work for ANY combination of W/L.
Now, the fabled 65 / 200. I'm willing to bet on 35 / 100.
What if we split it into 5 sets of 7 / 20 ?
We don't have to get 7 wins from 20 every time, just eventually.
Can we have minimum 16 wins in 50 spins playing EC?
Quote from: Scarface on May 18, 11:26 AM 2018
A bit off topic, but just ran a few test with 12 spins. Ran a 12 spin test for 15 times in a row for a total of 180 spins and noticed something that could be made into a system.
Just looking a red/black. 14 out of 15 runs of 12 spins, had at least one series of red or black repeat at least 3 times in a row.
Using a parlay progression, 1 unit will become 8 units with 3 consecutive hits
I think this could be worked into a good system
Hi Scarface,
If you are going to use parlay into a system why don't you try looking for a dozens/columns combination of 5 wins in a row. I'll give you an example, even though low probability I actually do see this combination appearing more often than you can imagine
Col or Doz
1-3-2-2-3
Use Parlay and get 1U - 3U - 9U - 27U - 81U
So you will turn 1U into 81U in five spins. Miss anyone of course you lose 1U
Try doing this on both Col and Doz simultaneously. You may get lucky and get one out of the two to form this pattern with a cost of 2U if you lose
Cheers,
Ricky
If it hits the last 81 units it’s 3 times that ..so ultimately its 243 units you win 😃
Quote from: vladir on May 19, 11:09 AM 2018
Basically it will be profitable if you know before playing how many guaranteed wins you are going to have in a certain ammount of spins.
I expected you would tell us the minimum required hitrate, as well as if it's useful for alternated results w/l.
Cheers
ok to help you look through your stats better RE and every one else i,ve attatched a bit of software so i hope it works.exctract the rar file file.
inside the list of is a purple round circle with rpro written on it ...right click on it and run as administrator it should open up and run..do not use setup etc just right click on the purple sign.in the past results box it is set to COLOR click the tab choose numbers.
at the bottom is RUN LENGTH click the slider all the way to the left.
now when you start input your results and you have a few you can click on calculate and it,ll tell you what came after the number you,ve calculated on etc.
results when saved are to end in .dat or .text.
you can copy and paste your own files in ther too i think up to 40 000.it,ll work too.
so for a test run you can press FILE in the top left hand corner and click on the one i,ve left in ..this is where you can copy and paste your own stats.a few features like undo don,t work and there is a help button to explain it properly....
its an invaluable tool and it should help everyone as you can scroll up and down in the results bar making a lot of things vey easy to look at
right click on purple icon circle and run as admin
an old post and software i think might be handy for everyone from 2011 i posted
Couple of pics very handy for someone
But maybe not everyone see what you think
Quote from: vladir on May 18, 12:07 PM 2018
The problem with 65/200 is that you will get out of table limits. And the formula doesn't work for 0W combinations.
No you won't !! O0
Quote from: vladir on May 19, 12:03 PM 2018
Can we have minimum 16 wins in 50 spins playing EC?
18/60 Yes, you can !
Quote from: vladir on May 19, 11:09 AM 2018
Basically it will be profitable if you know before playing how many guaranteed wins you are going to have in a certain ammount of spins.
I Will bet for a thousand Bucks 18/60 O0
Does that mean that if you could have a win rate of 40/100 spins or greater, that you would always
close your session a winner?
Would that be a HG?
Sure. But consider the fact that your bets might climb very high.
Also, notice the equation (drawdown+1)/remaining wins expected does not factor in the value remaining spins left.
My idea is that we break a session into "chunks" of x number of remaining spins left, and this value would be our reset trigger.
We need the optimum values for x and y.
Quote from: Badger on May 20, 08:36 AM 2018
Does that mean that if you could have a win rate of 40/100 spins or greater, that you would always
close your session a winner?
Would that be a HG?
It doesn't work like that. You Have to look at events that are Always happening. There are More ways to Rome then One! :thumbsup:
Something for the math guys....
2 days ago i was at my local BM and next to me was a Guy Who was only betting on Red :lol: well the laughter went away when he expllained what he did.
He said i Always bet on Red and only need 18 hits on Red to win at least +10 units in 60 spins. So 18/42.
He said i've been playing this for 3 years now and never lost a session.
He plays a few sessions a day with a +20-+40 win goal and go home.and never saw less then 18 reds in 60 spins.
He said that he had worked out a Special labby progression that only worked in the way he Made it. He said with a normal labby it isn't possible.
He'd creates many horror sessions for himself and the worst Max bet on Red he's would Make in those 3 years was 98 units in one spin. He Always uses a bank of 140 units and never lost his bank.
I ran a few tests the other day and over 25000 spins the least number of reds i saw in 60 spins was 19.
Is it possible to make a labby progression that Always Grands us a minimum of +10 units in 60 spins when there are atleast 18 reds ? (We need 18 hits)
He said, that this was a HG for him.
Mmmmmm. Anyone good with math can work this out?
link:s://forum.x/index.php?topic=9.0
Quote from: ozon on May 20, 03:20 PM 2018
link:s://forum.x/index.php?topic=9.0
Thanks man, Will Read through it. :thumbsup:
There was a good subject somewhere about labby, but I can not find him.
In total, an interesting concept, limiting yourself to only 60 spins and fixing a stoplose for the session, probably in the long run, it should lose, but you never know.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 20, 03:43 PM 2018
Thanks man, Will Read through it. :thumbsup:
You should check this. This is whole thread about that idea:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3280.msg29753#msg29753
The problem is some number of even chances in amount of spins is not the whole equation. There is second part and that is variance.
This man said, that in 3 years of playing this method he'd never won less then +10 units in 60 spins!
More important, he Made his own labby variant that would Grand him this. Not the normal labby, he said; that won't work. Took him 5 years to find the awnser.
And only red, never changed the Color he said.
When he would reached 18 reds, he is done for that session.
Never saw less then 18 reds in 60 spins. With am All Time bank of 140 units. And largest bet place in More then 1000 sessions was 98 units in one spin.
He said, figure this Special labby out and you Will Have a Nice Small HG to play with the rest of your Life.
:ooh: :ooh:
So worst is 42 balckz incl. Green.
But it's the spin Window between hits that is the factor need for this labby.
Any labby is broken form of marti which will eventually form a marti with a killer sequence.
I would suggest to get virtual win till 13 red and then release the labby but be sure there will b higher stake.
Well just say wtf is Vaddis, according to what you know!
Now I think it is safer to have a max wager when using any kind of Lavouchere ( my letter Vee doesn't work!) and split losses into many smaller fights.
Say you want 10u profit in max 60 spins: you should have a worst case scenario strategy ready to use when it happens.
Let's say the Lavvy prog is 1,2,3,4.
Shortest session would give 2 spins.
If 10 losses in row happen every 1000 games, there necessarily is a way of splitting losses at a certain threshold.
Ok, say 6 losses like this: WLLLLL. Which would give 2,3,5,7,9,11,13,15. Total units to win vack: 65u, in 54 spins and minimum 17 expected wins. With Lavvy you need 1w every 2 losses.
Ok: 17 wins and 37 losses, almost 1:2.
How do we catch vack those 65u in 54 spins with a 1w/2l ratio? Split 65 in how many littles fights?
Interesting. There is something like this in MonteCarlo Anecdotes...
Quote from: Bigbroben on May 20, 08:04 PM 2018
How do we catch vack those 65u in 54 spins with a 1w/2l ratio? Split 65 in how many littles fights?
Without going over the 140u vankroll...
Quote from: PassionRuleta on May 20, 09:52 PM 2018
Well, I've been studying for a long time and I've studied a lot of things, I do not know how long you've been there, but I've always been looking for the best internet and studying the best ways to win, all of them end up being very difficult or you can not really win with them consistently ...
Then I find a thing of a person (vaddis) where he says how to win and flat and very easy.
I start to study like a madman with my classmates and to look at him in all possible ways to decipher how we have done with everything that was put in front of us and we realize that it is the easiest, flat and that it wins much better than any other way ... other ways? sure they will, but so easy? I DON `T BELIEVE.
Aora that everyone study what seems best.
regards O0
Passion,
Aren't you getting tired of yourself preaching Vaddis like a God All the Time? No has figured out how Vaddis his method works, and in Just a few weeks Time, you Have found your HG in it! Man you deserve a medal of honor for this. :yawn:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 21, 01:39 AM 2018
Passion,
Aren't you getting tired of yourself preaching Vaddis like a God All the Time? No has figured out how Vaddis his method works, and in Just a few weeks Time, you Have found your HG in it! Man you deserve a medal of honor for this. :yawn:
.........i think turbo and passion belong to the same roulette club........
Vladi, if you are still following this...
The equation (DrawDown+1)/(Expected Wins Left) is fine but it does not put Bets Left into the equation.
I'm trying to work out how we can factor this in?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 23, 10:24 AM 2018
Vladi, if you are still following this...
The equation (DrawDown+1)/(Expected Wins Left) is fine but it does not put Bets Left into the equation.
I'm trying to work out how we can factor this in?
Can you please explain his equation with an example
Base stake is 0,5
Thx
1st bet is 0.5 unit.
Suppose we are confident of winning 18 from 60 EC bets.
drawdown is 0.5, expected wins left = 18.
You can round up the result to nearest integer, .25 or whatever.
Just keep going....
Quote from: daveylibra on May 23, 10:24 AM 2018
Vladi, if you are still following this...
The equation (DrawDown+1)/(Expected Wins Left) is fine but it does not put Bets Left into the equation.
I'm trying to work out how we can factor this in?
I'm still here.
I have no idea. The equation works fine regardless of the bets left. The problem in playing with it is actually having the wins ... and the table limits.
If you look closely, this is just a form of martingale, but spread over several bets, instead of aiming for 1 win only.
Actually, when the Expected wins left is 1, it becomes pure martingale and so bets can go very high.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 23, 10:40 AM 2018
1st bet is 0.5 unit.
Suppose we are confident of winning 18 from 60 EC bets.
drawdown is 0.5, expected wins left = 18.
You can round up the result to nearest integer, .25 or whatever.
Just keep going....
1st : 0.5. Lost
2nd : (0.5+1)/18 = 0.08!
I can’t stake 0.08!
The lowest stackable unit is 0.5 ... will it work ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 23, 10:53 AM 2018
1st : 0.5. Lost
2nd : (0.5+1)/18 = 0.08!
I can’t stake 0.08!
The lowest stackable unit is 0.5 ... will it work ?
You must round up to the lowest stackable unit you can play.
In theory it will work, if there are no table limits (because bets can go very high on losing streaks!) and if you are guaranteed the wins.
Yes it will work, but when Expected Wins Left=1 and you don't get the win, bets go high.
Also, as I said, in our example of 18 from 60, well the 60 isn't factored in. We are simply hoping for 60 wins whenever.
I'm trying to find a way of making the maximum bets significant.
I didn’t dive in the math of this but
Are you saying that if I am interested in getting 10 wins out of 30 spins then I should divide then by 10?
No, if you want to win back 1 unit, divide by 10, thats your expected wins.
10 wins will give you your 1 unit, and hopefully keep your bets low.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 23, 10:40 AM 2018
1st bet is 0.5 unit.
Suppose we are confident of winning 18 from 60 EC bets.
drawdown is 0.5, expected wins left = 18.
You can round up the result to nearest integer, .25 or whatever.
Just keep going....
You Will Have 18 hits min. Out of 60 spins. I ran over 100.000 spins last week and the lowest hirate i got was 19/60.
The question is, how do we Always End up in profit on spin 60?
Just got back from a few hours at my local casino.
Win goal was +â,¬200,00
Mmmm those damn hotnumbers, maybe Steve was right all along :lol:
I replayed my session for you all that are still non believers regarding Repeaters sq Hotnumbers.
And that without any progression O0
mmmm, yeah a real bad betselection indeed.
The guy next to me asked if i could teach him how to play this! :lol: I said, well I know a few who think i don't have enough experience, so it's better that i won't. Good evening sir, enjoy your stay :twisted:
And I left with +â,¬204 euro, bet my wife will be angry that i blew all the household money! :lol: >:D
Bet my teacher would be proud :smile: Dinner is on me Turbo!
Because i'm one of the few on this board Who actualy knows how to play, and that With No Experience :lol:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 12:58 PM 2018
Bet my teacher would be proud :smile: Dinner is on me Turbo!
Because i'm one of the few on this board Who actualy knows how to play, and that With No Experience :lol:
Don't forget his timeless words of wisdom! ::)
"Math beats a math game.""I can win because I'm guaranteed to lose"
"I can increase accuracy of prediction when spins are completely unpredictable."
"In order for a number to hit twice it first has to hit once."
"Random has limits."
"I win because the wheel is random."
Quote from: The General on May 24, 01:38 PM 2018
Don't forget his timeless words of wisdom! ::)
"Math beats a math game."
"I can win because I'm guaranteed to lose"
"I can increase accuracy of prediction when spins are completely unpredictable."
"In order for a number to hit twice it first has to hit once."
"Random has limits."
"I win because the wheel is random."
and the list continues with:
]I win because i am lucky
In order to win you should first find a stupid dealer
always follow your heart but remember to cover the zero[/b][/size]
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: [/size]
... yes it becomes a martingale when expected wins =1 but what I'm thinking is, break it into "chunks" of 10 or whatever, and reset if we don't get the expected wins.
Put it this way, Jek says its EXTREMELY rare not to get 18 in 60. Let's go for 3 in 10. Yes that can easily fail. But the next round, fail to get 3 in 10 again? Unlikely. 3rd round, if we don't get 3 in 10 that means we have had 2 or less in 10, 3 times.
I reckon we can work with this. Also, I would go for one side of the wheel rather than an EC.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 24, 02:41 PM 2018
... yes it becomes a martingale when expected wins =1 but what I'm thinking is, break it into "chunks" of 10 or whatever, and reset if we don't get the expected wins.
Put it this way, Jek says its EXTREMELY rare not to get 18 in 60. Let's go for 3 in 10. Yes that can easily fail. But the next round, fail to get 3 in 10 again? Unlikely. 3rd round, if we don't get 3 in 10 that means we have had 2 or less in 10, 3 times.
I reckon we can work with this. Also, I would go for one side of the wheel rather than an EC.
That looks like a good plan, to get our wins. We could even use a mild progression with this.
will test.
expected wins in 10 spins is 3.
First try. using a +1 / -1 and reset to 1 on a loss. started from spin 1 with 1 unit on red.
Second try. again +1 / -1
well we can dump +1 - 1
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 02:58 PM 2018
well we can dump +1 - 1
Wow and you tested a whole 60 spins so you must know the true long term results! ::)
Are you using the equation, and rounding up to an integer? Resetting after every 10?
I don't know about the +1, -1, but if you just used the equation, without any bet limits, then a failure must mean less than 18 from 60, surely?
by the way, how could you code it so quick?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 24, 03:11 PM 2018
by the way, how could you code it so quick?
The better question is why did you feel you needed to test it in the first place?
Quote from: The General on May 24, 03:33 PM 2018
The better question is why did you feel you needed to test it in the first place?
The better question is; Why on earth are you still roaming around on this forum, and why aren't you banned a long time ago.
Hi General!
Don't you think there is any value in trying for 18 wins from 60?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 24, 03:08 PM 2018
Are you using the equation, and rounding up to an integer? Resetting after every 10?
I don't know about the +1, -1, but if you just used the equation, without any bet limits, then a failure must mean less than 18 from 60, surely?
If hes using +1/-1 then I guess hes not using it.
+1/-1 means +1 on a loss, -1 on a win (or the oposite?) . Anyway this gives an up and down progression on its own, wich implies hes not using any other progression.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 24, 06:10 PM 2018
Hi General!
Don't you think there is any value in trying for 18 wins from 60?
Your question is vague., but the answer is of course NO.
You Will Have 18 hits min. Out of 60 spins. I ran over 100.000 spins last week and the lowest hitrate i got was 19/60.
-Quote from Jek.
Then surely it's a good idea to shoot for 18 from 60?
Is it possible to see the spin numbers from that last graph, please?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 25, 10:37 AM 2018
You Will Have 18 hits min. Out of 60 spins. I ran over 100.000 spins last week and the lowest hitrate i got was 19/60.
-Quote from Jek.
Then surely it's a good idea to shoot for 18 from 60?
Is it possible to see the spin numbers from that last graph, please?
I run over 10.000.000, min was 12 hits from 60. Average was 29,2.
OK thanks, interesting stats.
Notice if we fail on 3/10, not once but 5 times, thats at most 8 from 50. We should get our 3 wins on the next 10.
(I know the wheel has no memory etc, but I'm pointing out that 6 fails in a row would be v. rare.
now what if we say -
( (Drawdown+1) / Expected wins ) +1
Then aren't we gaining 1 unit on every win? So we would not have to continue to the end.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 25, 10:37 AM 2018
You Will Have 18 hits min. Out of 60 spins. I ran over 100.000 spins last week and the lowest hitrate i got was 19/60.
So what is wrong with this logic.....
Wait until we see 7 of an EC (not long if we track each EC)
We then shoot for 18 hits from 53... (60-7)
Now 18*3=54 which is 1/3 + 1 of 53
So we can use a simple labby to gain our 18 hits. Or a list limited to 36 111s (18hits).
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 20, 02:04 PM 2018
Something for the math guys....
2 days ago i was at my local BM and next to me was a Guy Who was only betting on Red :lol: well the laughter went away when he expllained what he did.
He said i Always bet on Red and only need 18 hits on Red to win at least +10 units in 60 spins. So 18/42.
He said i've been playing this for 3 years now and never lost a session.
He plays a few sessions a day with a +20-+40 win goal and go home.and never saw less then 18 reds in 60 spins.
He said that he had worked out a Special labby progression that only worked in the way he Made it. He said with a normal labby it isn't possible.
He'd creates many horror sessions for himself and the worst Max bet on Red he's would Make in those 3 years was 98 units in one spin. He Always uses a bank of 140 units and never lost his bank.
I ran a few tests the other day and over 25000 spins the least number of reds i saw in 60 spins was 19.
Is it possible to make a labby progression that Always Grands us a minimum of +10 units in 60 spins when there are atleast 18 reds ? (We need 18 hits)
He said, that this was a HG for him.
Mmmmmm. Anyone good with math can work this out?
Hi jekhb76,
He started with a minimum of 1 unit or less? All calculations he making in brain or on the sheet of paper?
Hello, could you explain step by step with an example ?
LLLLLLLWWWWW
7 lost and 5 wins
Thank so much.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 25, 10:37 AM 2018
You Will Have 18 hits min. Out of 60 spins. I ran over 100.000 spins last week and the lowest hitrate i got was 19/60.
-Quote from Jek.
Then surely it's a good idea to shoot for 18 from 60?
Is it possible to see the spin numbers from that last graph, please?
Hi, don't care what the Shite general says, you make you own minds up.
Time stamp is 410 from Random.org.
Look to checkpoint 60, means 60 spins have passed what you say Jek. quoted
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/08/22/source.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tlhZg)
So 30 non-hit have hit on average, could it be 15 red and 15 black or 18/12
Short term curve fitting nonsense.
Precisely, short term, none of your nonsense for thousands of spins
hi folks ,
maybe you'll find something of interest here:
link:://matchman.de/download/
for example if you click on "Statistischer Ecart in Rotationen" you'll find some data about how often the even chances appear in rotations of 36 spins. it's just a small sample but it's a sample and its free.
cheers :)
hans
Quote from: hanshuckebein on Aug 24, 06:20 PM 2018
hi folks ,
maybe you'll find something of interest here:
link:://matchman.de/download/
for example if you click on "Statistischer Ecart in Rotationen" you'll find some data about how often the even chances appear in rotations of 36 spins. it's just a small sample but it's a sample and its free.
cheers :)
hans
Ermm...should be obvious to all how often 18 numbers should hit. ::)