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Turbo,
What do you say we have a friendly tournament in either AC, New York, or LV?
You bring your grail, and I'll bring mine. ;)
The General - Lee Van Cleef
Steve - Eli Wallach
Clint got to be Turbo
This General.... is the general without military trainning or better the soap bubble's maker
:xd:
No Mr J, you can be the Undertaker
Oh this gonna be a great Right !
I know on Who i would bet my stakes O0
The general ran away !
He opened this thread and disappeared
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 20, 05:23 AM 2018
The general ran away !
He opened this thread and disappeared
I would also ran if i saw Clint Turbo Standing around the corner! :twisted:
If there are any spectators willing to wear a hidden camera, id like to play too. The camera is self aiming and stabilising. Just stand around looking innocent. Predictions will be before bets close, with time to bet enough, but you wont bet. Its illegal there. I'll watch from home. I bet my ivorine balls my hg would win.
I'm guessing Turbo won't play because his method appears to only work in free mode. ::)
Quote from: The General on May 20, 01:13 PM 2018I'm guessing Turbo won't play because his method appears to only work in free mode.
You guess worse than anyone I've ever met lol.
You do not win... you lose... Good day to you Sir. I SAY good DAY !
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In other words Turbo is too scared to accept the challenge. ::)
Quote from: PassionRuleta on May 20, 09:54 PM 2018
hahaha ...
I would like to see that challenge, but it will be impossible because I am not where you are and because that challenge is not going to take you like any other commented in this forum.
Why do not I put a permanence and see where each one arrives?
Do you think it's good?
:wink:
Because I want to play for real money in a real casino.
Turbo doesn't need to try and match my unit. The contest can be to see who wins the most units rather than dollars if he wants.
I'd be satisfied if turbo even used his system on mpr so we can see how he goes in realistic conditions.
Im satisfied.
Unfortunately his results weren't good though. He just says he didnt use his real system in either his test or serious account.
I challenged Tiger Woods to a round of golf so he could prove he was
better than me but he must have declined -
By the logic here he's too scared to play me because he knows I'll win.
Oh wait - it's not worth his time ? That's right.... it's not. So why is it worth my time ?
I'm supposed to agree to this in order for what ? Tell me one reason.
Will it change the nay sayers into believers ? No "Not enough spins".
Will it benefit me in any way then ? No... entertainment value maybe.
So then why would I do it, when I'm already playing it in the casino and winning,
And don't forget - when the challenge happens, He sees my bets and will surely
catch on to what I'm doing and then duplicate it (as any person in their right mind would)... What do I gain in this challenge that would make me even want to consider it ?
If there's a good reason, I'm all in - let's do it.
Quote from: Steve on May 20, 10:56 PM 2018He just says he didnt use his real system in either his test or serious account.
Therefore I'm lying...... of course. It wouldn't be that it's exactly what I said. Amazing.
But you waste weeks winning fun money instead.
And in the case of your claim you didnt use your system on mpr, i think youre lying. You had a serious and test account. So did you deliberately use a losing system with your serious account?..
.. or maybe mpr was too realistic.
Quote from: Steve on May 21, 05:39 PM 2018But you waste weeks winning fun money instead.
And in the case of your claim you didnt use your system on mpr, i think youre lying. You had a serious and test account. So did you deliberately use a losing system with your serious account?..
.. or maybe mpr was too realistic.
I "waste" about 10 minutes per evening using "turbo" mode to bet, it doesn't take that long at all - it shows others that something is possible when others are telling them it's impossible.
My "test" account was to try to find out how that "cheater" was cheating, that was the whole point. I'm pretty sure I mentioned this (and lots of times since). I didn't want to use my actual account to try to duplicate HOW they cheated but I did manage to figure it out and let you know about it..... I never used a great method playing there, but I did use a few good ones - and even posted in the chat window what numbers to play and sure enough, they always appeared. It was "fun".
Realistic ? No. Mixing together actuals that aren't verified into a long list (that kept repeating, etc etc) making the spins far from random, if that's been fixed then great. Cheaters easily making sure they won and appeared in the first place position isn't realistic either. Sure in a casino some do pull off some cheating, I'll give you that.
There's sites and games that use a RNG and don't allow for cheating - if I find a bug I report it and it's fixed, so far Parx and RS are great with that. It's so rigged but no one can do what I'm doing... which means it's not rigged. I kind of like that aspect of it.
If I played your game and easily sat in first - you even said yourself you would investigate to see if there was a flaw or something wrong with the game.... you refuse to believe it's possible to win long term and never lose a session.
QuoteTurbo -He sees my bets and will surely
catch on to what I'm doing and then duplicate it (as any person in their right mind would)... What do I gain in this challenge that would make me even want to consider it ?
If there's a good reason, I'm all in - let's do it.
ROFLOL!!! You already explained to everyone what it is that you're doing! You're playing hot numbers and chasing your losses by using an up as you lose progression. ::)
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So there's no good reason for me to do it. Gotcha.
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Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 06:08 PM 2018I "waste" about 10 minutes per evening
You have remarked many times about the time it takes, and we can see your history on RS. You have spent far more than 10 mins/day. And with mpr, it takes a lot more than 10 minutes per day to play almost 3000 spins as you have.
According to what you said, you dont spend much time at all winning fun money.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 06:08 PM 2018My "test" account was to try to find out how that "cheater" was cheating, that was the whole point. I'm pretty sure I mentioned this (and lots of times since).
Yes and my point was you didn't want to "mess up" your "serious" account. But in your serious account, you didnt want to use your HG for some reason. Doesn't really add up.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 06:08 PM 2018I did use a few good ones - and even posted in the chat window what numbers to play and sure enough, they always appeared. It was "fun".
Is that why your account is showing a loss?
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 06:08 PM 2018Realistic ? No.
Because your account shows a loss?
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 06:08 PM 2018making the spins far from random, if that's been fixed then great.
For a repeaters guy, on repeaters spins, you didnt do too well.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 06:08 PM 2018Cheaters easily making sure they won and appeared in the first place position isn't realistic either
Almost every player has a negative win rate. That's not realistic? I guess you're more used to parx and RS with all the millionaires.
I dont think beneficia (top ranker) cheated. I could review the logs and see. But its not that difficult to play 6000 spins many times, and at least once you end up with a slight profit. Like with a real casino, there are always some winners. But if they keep playing with a losing system, eventually they lose.
You have to wonder why Beneficia stopped playing. I'm guessing because he knows his rank is short term luck.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 06:08 PM 2018if I find a bug I report it and it's fixed, so far Parx and RS are great with that
Same with mpr. Except you dont get huge bonuses for logging in. and the betting limits are realistic on mpr. You'd have to be a real moron to think RS and Parx are more realistic than MPR.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 06:08 PM 2018It's so rigged but no one can do what I'm doing... which means it's not rigged
For a math guy that beats a math game with math, you dont know much about math.
And numerous people from forums have achieved similar and even better rankings than you on both RS and parx.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 06:08 PM 2018you refuse to believe it's possible to win long term and never lose a session.
Never lose a session? Bullshit. You're right, I dont believe that. Unless you have ridiculously unrealistic betting limits like RS, then you have a chance to do that in your lifetime.
Quote from: Steve on May 21, 07:19 PM 2018You'd have to be a real moron to think RS and Parx are more realistic than MPR.
Sign me up then. My genius is your moron. It's all relative I guess.
Quote from: Steve on May 21, 07:19 PM 2018And numerous people from forums have achieved similar and even better rankings than you on both RS and parx.
Umm. Nope. Fossell did great and I'm sure knows he can get back up to the top 3 anytime he wants. The guy at RS in first ? lol - go look at that session and now he can't play again or else he loses the spot, I'm still climbing right up there in second. No one from here here is near me - oh wait - Tony was in 8th I think but I guess that didn't pan out very well.
Just me. There's the other hidden account from here either in 2nd or 3rd - ask him how he's playing. Is it repeaters and hot numbers ? They don't work do they ? Maybe they do.
Parx - no one from here climbed over months to first and stayed there - and when I wanted to lose I lost. Even told everyone ahead of time to show "not everyone wins" (hard to imagine since it's rigged..*cough. I guess that was a waste of time for a exercise or proof).
Two weeks ago up to third, last week didn't play much at all - this week ? probably 3rd or 2nd.... but hell, everyone wins right ? Around we go - Me: it's possible, You: It's impossible.
And as for the topic - you'd have to reply that when I win the "challenge" it's "not enough spins" or "luck" etc etc. It would be a waste of my time other than to do it for fun which would be fun.... Between the "General" and I - we would BOTH win. I'm confident of that. So what's the challenge ? To win ? Or is it to show that I can't win ? I'm confused. I haven't lost yet, not once.
Quote from: Steve on May 21, 07:19 PM 2018Never lose a session? Bullshit. You're right, I dont believe that. Unless you have ridiculously unrealistic betting limits like RS, then you have a chance to do that in your lifetime.
Nope, just regular casino table limits.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 08:18 PM 2018It's all relative I guess.
Facts arent relative. A mathematical solution is never relative or based on opinion.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 08:18 PM 2018Fossell did great and I'm sure knows he can get back up to the top 3 anytime he wants.
There you go. That's one for starters. He must have figured out your HG, right?
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 08:18 PM 2018Tony was in 8th I think but I guess that didn't pan out very well.
That idiot cant tie his own shoelaces. But for him to get 8th goes to show it aint that hard. What you are likely doing is extending table limits with bet combinations, then reset on bankroll increases. Not difficult with such broad table limits.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 08:18 PM 2018Parx - no one from here climbed over months to first and stayed there
Months? So you spent 10 minutes a day for for months? Didnt you just say it didnt take you long? So you are also making millions with real roulette by spending 10 minutes per day? Riiight.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 08:18 PM 2018and when I wanted to lose I lost
You mean you had to explain the loss somehow. Why not make it seem intentional.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 21, 08:18 PM 2018hard to imagine since it's rigged..*cough
Turbo, seriously do you have half a brain? Which casino gives you free money for walking in the door, then hundreds of thousands bonus if you happen to have some short term luck which we all are bound to have if we keep playing? I dont believe you dont get it. You are reaching.
Turbo you probably will never admit parx is rigged, and RS has very unrealistic table limits. And you'll always say your "serious" mpr account used only deliberately losing systems.
It's bullshit and you're misleading people. If you want to do a test, and dazzle people with your system, do it on a reputable and realistic game which realistic table limits, reputable source of spins, and where you dont get free money for logging in. Sound reasonable?
Quote from: Steve on May 21, 08:33 PM 2018Months? So you spent 10 minutes a day for for months? Didnt you just say it didnt take you long? So you are also making millions with real roulette by spending 10 minutes per day? Riiight.
What ?? lol
I've been playing at Parx online since March 4th, 2017 (444 days)
I've played 13,600 spins to date.
That's 30.6 spins average per day only.
Turbo mode = about 4 minutes per day, wasting too much time ?
RS Started January 14th, 2018 (I'm not adding up my spins - they don't show
them other than individual sessions unless I do it by hand)
267 sessions (128 days) = 2 session per day
about 10 minutes total in turbo mode.
So ok, 14 minutes per day and not 10 like I said lol
My actual casino visits average 3 hours. Damn I hate math, you do it :)
Quote from: Steve on May 21, 08:33 PM 2018You mean you had to explain the loss somehow. Why not make it seem intentional.
I TOLD everyone in a post BEFORE I did it.
There really is no hope, even my typing fingers are telling me to stop wasting my time.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 22, 06:58 AM 2018
What ?? lol
I've been playing at Parx online since March 4th, 2017 (444 days)
I've played 13,600 spins to date.
That's 30.6 spins average per day only.
Turbo mode = about 4 minutes per day, wasting too much time ?
RS Started January 14th, 2018 (I'm not adding up my spins - they don't show
them other than individual sessions unless I do it by hand)
267 sessions (128 days) = 2 session per day
about 10 minutes total in turbo mode.
So ok, 14 minutes per day and not 10 like I said lol
My actual casino visits average 3 hours. Damn I hate math, you do it :)
I TOLD everyone in a post BEFORE I did it.
There really is no hope, even my typing fingers are telling me to stop wasting my time.
@Turbo
Why on earth are you still wasting your Time posting here? It is Just a waste of time. Some members Just don't want to listen and learn. He Have nothing better to do then to bash everything you say.
Why don't you Make a Forum of yourself and Grand acces to only those Who really want to learn and are ready to put Time in studying. Trust me, there aren't, many here. But there are a few here that do want to learn.
Think about it.
Cheers,
Eddy
Ok mr Turbo
You won this battle but not the whole war.
It’s easy to blame others, why don’t you post proof that your method is winner ?
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 22, 07:38 AM 2018
Some members Just don't want to listen and learn.
Which pretty much sums up this place for alot of members.
This is why this forum are going in circles. They refuse to listen to the ones that has more experience than themselves.
Quote from: celescliff on May 22, 08:57 AM 2018This is why this forum are going in circles. They refuse to listen to the ones that has more experience than themselves.
Turbo, it comes back to if you could win millions in such a short time, you'd be doing it. The only credible results are mpr and you have a negative win rate. You avoid mpr now and prefer RS where admin video records your sessions. Your theories are backwards and incorrect. You spent a lot of time winning play money on rigged games to get recognition. You claim free money and bonuses is not an edge.
Quote from: Steve on May 22, 09:27 AM 2018
Turbo, it comes back to if you could win millions in such a short time, you'd be doing it. The only credible results are mpr and you have a negative win rate. You avoid mpr now and prefer RS where admin video records your sessions. Your theories are backwards and incorrect. You spent a lot of time winning play money on rigged games to get recognition. You claim free money and bonuses is not an edge.
Well stEve
I believe you because you have nothing to lose when you say the truth...
Why the others don’t believe that turbo’s low win rate is an indication that his method isn’t good ?
Quote from: Steve on May 22, 09:27 AM 2018
Turbo, it comes back to if you could win millions in such a short time, you'd be doing it. The only credible results are mpr and you have a negative win rate. You avoid mpr now and prefer RS where admin video records your sessions. Your theories are backwards and incorrect. You spent a lot of time winning play money on rigged games to get recognition. You claim free money and bonuses is not an edge.
What a load of crap you are Spitting out here Steve. THE ADMIN VIDEO RECORDS HIS SESSIONS! You only post nonsense about you and your roulette divices, that that is the way to win. And now you talking bullshit of RS. Man get a Life. :sad2: :o
If i was Turbo, i would stay far, far away from this Forum as possible and concetrate on the More important aspects of Life.....What a load of crap.
Not talking about All members ofcourse.
The only thing that amuses me is that Steve hardly ever comments but as soon as Turbo has something to say Steve says a hell of a lot as well.
Haven`t been around long enough to know the history between them but can`t help to wonder if it`s personal or has Steve just made it his life long mission to convert Turbo?
Just curious... just asking... :question:
Quote from: ZERO on May 22, 10:53 AM 2018
The only thing that amuses me is that Steve hardly ever comments but as soon as Turbo has something to say Steve says a hell of a lot as well.
Haven`t been around long enough to know the history between them but can`t help to wonder if it`s personal or has Steve just made it his life long mission to convert Turbo?
Just curious... just asking... :question:
Sorry, but am i the only one here that it don't find amusing how Steve bashes Turbo All the time? Steve must be a very lonely person, to only jump i'm a post as soon Turbo arives. Sad, Just sad. :yawn:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 22, 09:52 AM 2018Why the others don’t believe that turbo’s low win rate is an indication that his method isn’t good ?
Gullibility and lack of understanding.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 22, 10:02 AM 2018What a load of crap you are Spitting out here Steve. THE ADMIN VIDEO RECORDS HIS SESSIONS!
It's best to check before accusing. You havent been paying attention.
1. Turbo created two accounts on MPR. One is his serious account, and the other a mess-around account. He played thousands of spins with his serious account
until the win rate became negative. Then strangely he moved to RS and Parx, which have various problems such as unrealistic betting limits, big bonuses etc.
2. When Turbo was asked why he avoids MPR, he says its because I might steal his system. He is referring to MPRs basic logs that are to debug and reveal cheating (every online game has them). They were necessary to reveal how players were cheating. They are not designed to reverse engineer systems. It could be done, like at any online casino, but it would be messy and difficult. So instead of playing on MPR, Turbo went to RS . . . where the site similarly records all bets and winnings, but it also records a video of each session. Anyone can view them unless the player makes it private, in which case only the admin can see it. The video makes it very easy for the admin to see a player's system.
So yes, RS records a convenient video of sessions. I accept your apology.
My problem with Turbo's reasoning is RS makes his system far more vulnerable than MPR. In other words, I believe Turbo is full of it. Seems more like he wants an excuse to avoid a realistic test of his system, and instead play in unrealistic conditions.
MPR is an easy place to test and compare systems. Lots of people talk about how great their HG is, but check the leaderboard. Where are they? MPR helps separate wheat from chaff. But that's not my fault. Roulette has an in-built house edge.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 22, 10:02 AM 2018You only post nonsense about you and your roulette divices, that that is the way to win
What part is nonsense? And where have I ever said it's the only way to win? Again pay attention. I've said many times there are many ways to win that dont involve computers. But I have rightfully said computers are more effective than anything else.
It is easy to say "Steve just wants to sell computers so criticizes all the HGs". It is nonsense, and a pathetically narrow view. Again you haven't been following everything being said. There are so many holes in Turbo's story, and his theories, I'm not going into it again. His theories are old and incorrect.
You can read my earlier posts where full details are provided, including free software and instructions to prove his theories are incorrect. And you know it's not just me saying it. Every other experienced player says the same thing. Mathematicians say the same thing. Every professional in the gaming industry says the same thing. I suppose they are all just helping me sell computers, right?
Again, computers easily give an edge higher than anything else. But I don't give a rats ass if you or anyone don't like the idea of computers. Using them is more important than selling them. Still it has nothing to do with anything here.
In addition to explaining what does work even without a computer, I've explained various "less-explored" approaches that MAY work.
I actively encourage everyone to try NEW methods, and to steer away from typical fallacy, and methods that have already been tried by millions of gamblers before.
Quote from: ZERO on May 22, 10:53 AM 2018The only thing that amuses me is that Steve hardly ever comments but as soon as Turbo has something to say Steve says a hell of a lot as well.
I see incorrect theories and bad systems posted here every day. Sometimes I say something and explain why they wont work, but it never gets anywhere, so usually I dont bother. But every now and then, someone comes here and professes to be a magic guru with a system that never loses. And gullible people get easily misled and follow blindly. It wastes their time, and degrades the forum because it becomes full of nonsense.
And when such people come along, naturally the more experienced players spend more time rightfully pointing out problems with their theories and claims. I suppose you think we should all shut up and let everyone be misled.
When the guru is rightfully criticized, gullible sheep think the people with experience have some hidden agenda to censor the HG. And later, when everyone realizes the guru was full of shit (unintentionally or not), everyone learns a lesson . . . or so you would think. Because then a new guru comes along, and the process repeats. In particularly newer members such as yourself have no clue, think I have the problem, and I find myself explaining it again.
If experienced players let bullshit run free, this place would contain even more misleading information. A number of times, people have complained to me about losing when they used a system from here, which was supposed to be the HG. It led to me adding the warning on the home page.
I moderate this forum to allow free speech. Anyone can give whatever opinions they want. I have never censored any method and never will. I encourage people to back their opinions with fact, as I do. So when I see a guru misleading a flock of sheep, I dont want my forum to be used to harm people. At the very least, I and other experienced players speak up. If you dont get it, if you dont understand the problems with Turbo's testing and theories, that's not my problem. But hopefully other people pay more attention to everything being said.
But more importantly, I hope people verify the facts for themselves, because following someone's word alone isn't good enough - I have even explained exact testing to do, and given free software to test. Imagine if everyone blindly believed what they read or heard. But actually it happens constantly, leading to severe ignorance.
Quote from: ZERO on May 22, 10:53 AM 2018Haven`t been around long enough to know the history between them but can`t help to wonder if it`s personal or has Steve just made it his life long mission to convert Turbo?
As above. It's nothing remotely personal.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 22, 11:41 AM 2018Sorry, but am i the only one here that it don't find amusing how Steve bashes Turbo All the time?
Bashing Turbo, or explaining why his logic and testing is backwards for the benefit of everyone interested in winning?
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 22, 11:41 AM 2018teve must be a very lonely person, to only jump i'm a post as soon Turbo arives. Sad, Just sad.
Stop it. I'm sensitive.
I'm winning on Parx toO!
What's funny is that I don't even have to play and the site regularly gives me more free mode money just for signing on!
Quote from: The General on May 22, 07:48 PM 2018I'm winning on Parx toO!
What logical sense does that make ?
You're growing a bankroll by logging in - you're not winning because
you log in and your bankroll grows (pssst.. that's not winning, you have to risk it to win)
It's hopeless - that guy up there was right, why even bother to read and post.
If the wobbly wheel genius here and the roulette computer genius here can't understand having a bankroll isn't profit - and you don't rank on the leaderboard without playing... what can anyone do ?
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My point is that Parx free mode isn't the real thing.
Do you honestly believe that people are running around regularly winning 10 to 30 million with their slot systems too? It happens on Parx. LOL.
With winnings like that, why are you wasting time with roulette?
But for some strange reason you weren't able to replicate your results on MPR. Go figure. ;)
Why hasn't anyone else been able to replicate your results outside of Parx?
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 22, 11:09 PM 2018If the wobbly wheel genius here and the roulette computer genius here can't understand having a bankroll isn't profit - and you don't rank on the leaderboard without playing... what can anyone do ?
The repeater math genius doesn't understand real casinos dont give you hundreds of thousands in bonus money to play with, and that winnings with the bonuses do count on the leaderboard. Actually he does understand it. So he says "it's fair because anyone can do it". Sure, they can. But few people can be bothered logging consecutive days, for months, for the maximum play money bonus which is then used to out-rank other players and win even more bonus money, and repeat the process.
You didnt replicate it on MPR because your "never lose" system loses in realistic conditions.
Quote from: Steve on May 22, 07:46 PM 2018
I see incorrect theories and bad systems posted here every day. Sometimes I say something and explain why they wont work, but it never gets anywhere, so usually I dont bother. But every now and then, someone comes here and professes to be a magic guru with a system that never loses. And gullible people get easily misled and follow blindly. It wastes their time, and degrades the forum because it becomes full of nonsense.
Point noted!
Quote from: Steve on May 22, 07:46 PM 2018
And when such people come along, naturally the more experienced players spend more time rightfully pointing out problems with their theories and claims. I suppose you think we should all shut up and let everyone be misled.
That`s not what I said or implied I was merely stating what I have observed during my time on this forum. There are a lot of members misleading others but come on Steve you know you are making it quite obvious who you are targeting...
Quote from: Steve on May 22, 07:46 PM 2018
When the guru is rightfully criticized, gullible sheep think the people with experience have some hidden agenda to censor the HG. And later, when everyone realizes the guru was full of shit (unintentionally or not), everyone learns a lesson . . . or so you would think. Because then a new guru comes along, and the process repeats. In particularly newer members such as yourself have no clue, think I have the problem, and I find myself explaining it again.
I`m sure you know all about gullible sheep but you don`t know me from a bar of soap so don`t judge.
Quote from: Steve on May 22, 07:46 PM 2018
I moderate this forum to allow free speech. Anyone can give whatever opinions they want. I have never censored any method and never will. I encourage people to back their opinions with fact, as I do. So when I see a guru misleading a flock of sheep, I dont want my forum to be used to harm people. At the very least, I and other experienced players speak up. If you dont get it, if you dont understand the problems with Turbo's testing and theories, that's not my problem. But hopefully other people pay more attention to everything being said.
Once again with the sheep? You`re the one that "don`t get it" I was merely asking a question. If you can`t reply in a descent manner then don`t.
Quote from: Steve on May 22, 07:46 PM 2018
As above. It's nothing remotely personal.
Obviously :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on May 22, 11:22 PM 2018
My point is that Parx free mode isn't the real thing.
Do you honestly believe that people are running around regularly winning 10 to 30 million with their slot systems too? It happens on Parx. LOL.
With winnings like that, why are you wasting time with roulette?
But for some strange reason you weren't able to replicate your results on MPR. Go figure. ;)
Why hasn't anyone else been able to replicate your results outside of Parx?
You are all Missing the Point here!
Turbo doesn't Have to prove anything to anyone. When he does prove something, All the naysayers say it was rigged or he cheated etc. Everytime Turbo posts something of value here, and he does! Then Always the same guru's jump in and find away to prove him wrong, Without knowing what he is doin' and playing in the First place.
But what you don't understand is that there are also members Who would like to learn from Turbo, but you All preventing that, because with All your brabbling, he won't put his Time and Energy in this Forum anymore. Which is a real shame and a great loss of this Forum. Because Turbo is one of the few Who really contribute something when he is posting. But you Just can't See it. A shame, really.
But go ahead, continue to believe that An Orange is Blue when i say it is Orange.
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Quote from: The General on May 22, 11:22 PM 2018Do you honestly believe that people are running around regularly winning 10 to 30 million with their slot systems too? It happens on Parx. LOL.
Again and again......
$1,000.00 per pull - do the math please and report back.
If you don't understand that (as they post clearly) the slot payout is the exact same
percent as in the casino, then you simply can't understand that.
If the payout is the exact same % as a physical slot machine and the minimum per pull is
4,000 times higher than in the casino - what would the top winners win ?
Exactly what they are winning. And please ignore everyone who lost as well since it doesn't fit in with your argument.
To everyone else - if I've learned anything I've learned this -
If you don't post here about bias wheels (needle in a haystack odds of finding one of those)
OR
you don't post about how amazing roulette computers are (I can't use one in my casino and no one else here can either) - then you are misleading because as these people know - there is no way to win
other than what they profess. Anyone who says otherwise is obviously wrong.
Any post I make about results either in simulations or the real world won't matter.
"Not enough spins" and "Rigged" will be the standard reply.
If it's going to be a "AP friendly" forum where the only topics revolve around
Computers, Signature and Bias - then make that clear.
The whole "I sign in and they give me money so I can't lose" argument is as absurd as it gets yet they keep bringing it out as proof.
I guess if player A brings 10k to the casino and player B brings 1k, and player A wins -
they will just say "Well, obviously - Player A has a bigger bankroll to use !!!!"
So logically you are saying that Player A rigged the game for himself to win by bringing a larger bankroll - but the math and the house edge is the same on every spin....so.....
there's that.... It's not important to you that Player A bets $100.00 chips and Player B uses $10.00 chips - NO NO the math is the same, except when it isn't the same right ?
Sure, I'm misleading - I don't know simple math, I get it.
I "love me some" conspiracy theories but clearly anyone who posts outside of the topics of computers or bias isn't going to be too welcomed to post for long. I'm actually helping people so I'll take the knives thrown at me.
What a load of shit turbo. It has nothing to do with mine or Caleb's preferred methods. It has to do with truth vs utter bullshit.
It's simple:
* The only credible results are MPR and you have a negative win rate.
* Since your win rate on MPR became negative, you avoid MPR now and prefer RS where admin video records your sessions.
* Your theories are PROVABLY backwards and incorrect. Anyone can easily do testing and debunk your theories. I gave precise details numerous times.
* Your claims and theories have blatant contradictions. It from poor understanding.
* You spent a lot of time winning play money on rigged games to get recognition. You claim free money and bonuses is not an edge.
* Parx being rigged is not an opinion, but you still fight for this point without doing the math. It's really not complicated. Also the betting limits on both RS and Parx are ridiculously unrealistic.
* If you could win millions in such a short time, you'd be doing it.
* You play the victim, like you are being picked on. Poor Turbo. You are parading around flashing Parx and RS results claiming to have the "never lose HG". For attention? Who knows. Inexperienced players follow blindly, and you waste their time. The experienced players reveal the problems with your claims, and rightfully so because your story is full of gaping wide holes. You are still even claiming Parx is not rigged. The math is right in front of your face and you still deny it.
What has become of this once so good roulette Forum?
I told you. Every now and then, a new self-professed guru comes along and misleads people. Then cries victim. The inexperienced followers, who don't understand simple logic and math, defend the guru. It has happened many times before.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:27 AM 2018* The only credible results are MPR and you have a negative win rate.
So I need to stop going to Parx in PA, and stop going to AC and just play at your MPR game, got it - thanks. That will save me some driving time at least.
any other site/simulators are rigged and have no value. Got it.
I learned a lot this morning.
And remember folks - click the link to learn how computers beat roulette -
and bias wobbling wheels can make you a fortune.
Turbo is misleading - the more results he posts, the more sources he uses, the more misleading he obviously is.
What a headache, I just woke up and now this lol
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:30 AM 2018I told you. Every now and then, a new self-professed guru comes along and misleads people.
Yes, I'm the downfall of roulette system discussions because I show results that aren't in line with what's acceptable. Time to go make some money, enjoy your day.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 23, 07:11 AM 2018It's not important to you that Player A bets $100.00 chips and Player B uses $10.00 chips - NO NO the math is the same, except when it isn't the same right ?
Sure, I'm misleading - I don't know simple math, I get it.
Seriously turbo. Its not complicated. A guy with $1m is more likely to win $1m, than a guy with just $100. So who do you think is more likely to rank on parx?
The math is the same. Always. The problem is you don't understand it, or what more experienced players are saying. I'm convinced you partly-believe your nonsense.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:27 AM 2018
What a load of shit turbo. It has nothing to do with mine or Caleb's preferred methods. It has to do with truth vs utter bullshit.
It's simple:
* The only credible results are MPR and you have a negative win rate.
* Since your win rate on MPR became negative, you avoid MPR now and prefer RS where admin video records your sessions.
* Your theories are PROVABLY backwards and incorrect. Anyone can easily do testing and debunk your theories. I gave precise details numerous times.
* Your claims and theories have blatant contradictions. It from poor understanding.
* You spent a lot of time winning play money on rigged games to get recognition. You claim free money and bonuses is not an edge.
* Parx being rigged is not an opinion, but you still fight for this point without doing the math. It's really not complicated. Also the betting limits on both RS and Parx are ridiculously unrealistic.
* If you could win millions in such a short time, you'd be doing it.
* You play the victim, like you are being picked on. Poor Turbo. You are parading around flashing Parx and RS results claiming to have the "never lose HG". For attention? Who knows. Inexperienced players follow blindly, and you waste their time. The experienced players reveal the problems with your claims, and rightfully so because your story is full of gaping wide holes. You are still even claiming Parx is not rigged. The math is right in front of your face and you still deny it.
The experienced players????
Who do call Experience player?
And i don't, follow blindly... And i'm An experienced player. I play roulette for over 25 years now :ooh: the only way to win More and lose less with this game is by playing hotnumbers. Even you Steven can't deny that. If you do, then you are less experienced then me :girl_to:
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 23, 07:33 AM 2018Yes, I'm the downfall of roulette system discussions because I show results that aren't in line with what's acceptable.
No, you're just another self-professed guru misleading inexperienced players, and you want everyone to think you're the victim.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 23, 07:33 AM 2018Time to go make some money, enjoy your day.
I hope its real this time.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:30 AM 2018
I told you. Every now and then, a new self-professed guru comes along and misleads people. Then cries victim. The inexperienced followers, who don't understand simple logic and math, defend the guru. It has happened many times before.
Sorry Steve, but you're the one that don't understand simple logic ! Numbers do repeat you know, Just as our world turns. What if i told you that within a few hours it's gonna be dark again, would you call me then a liar also?
It's Just simple math Steve, even you can do it :lol: 1 Will become 2 and 2 Will become 3 and so on. Just simple as 123. But i guess you didn't learn that at kindergarten.
Hot numbers? 25 years experience?
Jekh, i'm not sure what to say. Its probably the oldest and most tested fallacy of all. Its not my concern if you waste your own time.
Right. Numbers repeat. So go bet on repeaters. Make a fool of me and every casino.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 23, 07:33 AM 2018
Yes, I'm the downfall of roulette system discussions because I show results that aren't in line with what's acceptable. Time to go make some money, enjoy your day.
Have a good day, and thanks for stopping buy to give Steve a kick in his butt. Maybe after this he will understand simple logic and simple math! Oh wait what am i saying ? He's still in kindergarden leaning how to make Special Services.... :lol:
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:41 AM 2018
Hot numbers? 25 years experience?
Jekh, i'm not sure what to say. Its probably the oldest and most tested fallacy of all. Its not my concern if you waste your own time.
Well as Long as i'm winning More then i lose it's ok by me.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:41 AM 2018
Right. Numbers repeat. So go bet on repeaters. Make a fool of me and every casino.
Well i don't Have to make a fool of you, you do that yourself.
Fascinating to see this. Only if you knew.
And like I said, the inexperienced players defend the self-professed guru, who's actually misleading people. History repeats
Anyway go get them casinos.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:48 AM 2018
Fascinating to see this. Only if you knew.
And like I said, the inexperienced players defend the self-professed guru, who's actually misleading people. History repeats
Anyway go get them casinos.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 23, 07:44 AM 2018
Well i don't Have to make a fool of you, you do that yourself.
Jekhb76,
Do you believe that Turbo's method works? Has it worked for you?
Quote from: The General on May 23, 01:16 PM 2018Do you believe that Turbo's method works?
Yes.
Why should it not work, i know nothing wins forever and that must include you, But it's like what most on here would say, as long as it wins more than it lose, then that's good enough for me
General just had 30 spins on MPR, guess what 8#'s have repeated and one has repeated twice, winner of to the KFC
Quote from: The General on May 23, 01:16 PM 2018
Jekhb76,
Do you believe that Turbo's method works? Has it worked for you?
Yes i do. That i haven't found the Ultimate way of playin, the way turbo does, doesn't Mean i haven't learned.
In fact, i truly believe that he is the only person i know that can really teach me something on roulette!
And Yes, i win more then i lose. For now that's enough, for the future? No it is not, due to the condition my Son is in. i need alot of money, but in a legal way, NOT by misleiding People, there are some here that a willing to make money false claims paisson ring a Bell? And there are more members. And some member want to sell devices etc. i'm possitive that one day i Will find my own HG, not because Turbo gave it, but because i do what ever it takes to learn every day something new and something More. When you are willing to study hard and Long enough, the fruit wil ripe, and i can say... I did it May way. All the posts, All the threads that Turbo Made, is for us, not for him.
He truly wants us to learn, but sadly many don't, look past 1 spin and are not willing to put their believe aside, to look at the game in a Different way.
For them, Who are not Will to, they Will never learn.
No one dares to speak freely about what they think, well i'm sick of it, sick off All the naysayers, of All those Who are bestraying good willing People like 6th Sence and others. You don't win in roulette by deciving People, you win due to study and hard work, and listen to those Who are knowing what they say.
Enough said. :sad2:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 23, 02:47 PM 2018
Yes i do. That i haven't found the Ultimate way of playin, the way turbo does, doesn't Mean i haven't learned.
In fact, i truly believe that he is the only person i know that can really teach me something on roulette!
And Yes, i win more then i lose. For now that's enough, for the future? No it is not, due to the condition my Son is in. i need alot of money, but in a legal way, NOT by misleiding People, there are some here that a willing to make money false claims paisson ring a Bell? And there are more members. And some member want to sell devices etc. i'm possitive that one day i Will find my own HG, not because Turbo gave it, but because i do what ever it takes to learn every day something new and something More. When you are willing to study hard and Long enough, the fruit wil ripe, and i can say... I did it May way. All the posts, All the threads that Turbo Made, is for us, not for him.
He truly wants us to learn, but sadly many don't, look past 1 spin and are not willing to put their believe aside, to look at the game in a Different way.
For them, Who are not Will to, they Will never learn.
No one dares to speak freely about what they think, well i'm sick of it, sick off All the naysayers, of All those Who are bestraying good willing People like 6th Sence and others. You don't win in roulette by deciving People, you win due to study and hard work, and listen to those Who are knowing what they say.
Enough said. :sad2:
Well then, why don't you demonstrate the system for us and beat the MPR? ::)
So far, nobody can beat it, not even Turbo. Even the KFC can't beat it. ::)
Quote from: The General on May 23, 03:02 PM 2018Even the KFC can't beat it.
General at 30 seconds which is unrealistic as pointed out over the GF site by Nathan D 30 games an hour is more like it, so why would i try it.
Now i try ideas on repeats thru' Turbo on MPR and do ok till the gambler in me appears, but the latest player of my 400 odd players (taotie) like that, was going along ok, but this morning i see leaderboard is reset, i wonder why?
So find that pic of a bucket of KFC, it does make me laugh and like you that idiot trying to get thru' the door, is a good one
General just played this on R-sim, betting for repeats. It’s like I posted last night in one of the Vaddi topics; +116
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So my way, bet the 1x’s up to 4,at 1unit each, so if 5;1x’s have come drop the 1st, keep dropping till a win, now if a 1x goes R1, but is a dropped number, it now becomes one of the 4 hottest and this R1 is bet at 5 units, part of Turbos 1, 5, 25; so keep betting the hottest 4 #’s at this stage 1; R1 and 3; 1x’s at a cost of 3*1 and 1*5.
In this shot the 4 hottest are 3, R1’s and 1, 1x; a win on 1 of the R1’s +116
So Eddy would stop 1st profit, but let’s see if I can get more
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:lol: :thumbsup:
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Just above even, so see General, Eddy is right take 1st profit.
The 4#'s are 3 at 50 and one 25; so it should be reset but lady luck might be there
Quote from: The General on May 23, 03:02 PM 2018
Well then, why don't you demonstrate the system for us and beat the MPR? ::)
So far, nobody can beat it, not even Turbo. Even the KFC can't beat it. ::)
No you are so Right about that! MPR is rigged as hell! I did play this afternoon, and won with my System, but as Long as you win and the winning are not calculated on to you bankroll, what's the Point of playing? Ask Maestro, he was there with me. MPR is full of shit, worse then any other rng game i Have ever played.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 23, 03:49 PM 2018
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Just above even, so see General, Eddy is right take 1st profit.
The 4#'s are 3 at 50 and one 25; so it should be reset but lady luck might be there
See Steve and General? Someone was paying attention. Well done.
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So general, what does this prove?
Well it showed betting for a repeat can make a profit. Even at spin 37,44,49 its in front. This is one way to bet for repeats, one of many i guess,
But we'll get the old, is short term.
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Quote from: nottophammer on May 23, 03:19 PM 2018
General just played this on R-sim, betting for repeats. It’s like I posted last night in one of the Vaddi topics; +116
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So my way, bet the 1x’s up to 4,at 1unit each, so if 5;1x’s have come drop the 1st, keep dropping till a win, now if a 1x goes R1, but is a dropped number, it now becomes one of the 4 hottest and this R1 is bet at 5 units, part of Turbos 1, 5, 25; so keep betting the hottest 4 #’s at this stage 1; R1 and 3; 1x’s at a cost of 3*1 and 1*5.
In this shot the 4 hottest are 3, R1’s and 1, 1x; a win on 1 of the R1’s +116
So Eddy would stop 1st profit, but let’s see if I can get more
12 spins? Seriously? Why do you test for so few spins? It's absurd. It's meaningless. ::)
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:38 AM 2018I hope its real this time.
Had a great day ! I'm sorry that I can't post results though because it would be misleading.
What I'm supposed to say is I didn't play enough spins and if I were smart I would have spent that time looking for biased wheels or how to properly conceal a computer.
There, I'm in good now I think. I mean I just used my system based on common sense and logic (and math) but that can't possibly have happened so here we are.
It clearly wasn't "enough spins" !!! I played until I made the amount that I wanted to make and then left. I should have kept going and tried to lose I think. Sorry.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:48 AM 2018the inexperienced players defend the self-professed guru
Experience doesn't matter - the house edge is the same on every spin.
A 5 year old plopped on the chair at the table and a 80 year old who plays every day for the past 4 decades both face the exact same math, right ? Experience isn't relevant to winning or losing.
Maybe the 5 year old shoves all his pretty chips onto one number and it wins more money than the "pro" 80 year old won in 3 years - but then it's "luck" because they are up against the same math every spin.
Oh, you mean the inexperienced players (who haven't been preached to for literally forever that the game can't be beaten) might actually try things that the self proclaimed professionals won't bother trying because they can't imagine being wrong ? That would make one smart "guru" indeed. I'll be that guru any day. Hmmm TurboGuru.... nah, doesn't have the same ring to it.
All this time wasted on back and forth squabbling - how about thinking.
How can you play on numbers that will appear above average Steve ?
Numbers hitting above expected is the only way to win surely, so what examples
would you give on how to do this - hell, you might stumble onto the HG yourself.
Just takes some thought - you sit down, no past spins...
numbers start flowing in that lovely random like they do - repeaters happen,
more, more - jeez I bet one number shows 10 times in 3 cycles even - would you
have been playing it ? If not then there's no hope. If you would have been playing it -
then you're playing repeaters and hot numbers which we all know can't possibly exist.
So either you want to learn how to win or you don't.
Would you think I was lying if I said that I won on that number 9 times ? Why would I be lying ? How much could I have made on 9 wins - would that be lies or just common sense ?
Bad example ? Use another one then - anything you want...
10 numbers go 4 cycles without showing up once !!! I never lost a single $ on them though because I was never playing them, why would I ?
So avoiding all of those losing spins means I'm misleading ? That it's rigged ?
C'mon - THINK dammit. Use 1/10th of the energy that you already use to post that I'm wrong to work it out.
Yup, repeaters work, simple 8 number bet, +1 progression on a loss. 100 unit bankroll turned into $500 in 150 spins. Imagine with a nice aggressive progression. Bet selection is the key.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 23, 01:40 PM 2018Why should it not work
Because past spins do not influence future spins, and repeaters, and hot numbers, are probably the most common fallacy, which has been thoroughly tested. They dont change the odds. Accuracy is still random. The bet selection is nonsense. So nothing changes.
More detail can and already has been provided. But some people just dont get it.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 23, 01:40 PM 2018i know nothing wins forever and that must include you
Advantage play does win forever when done right. The player has the edge instead of the casino. That's why it's called "advantage play".
Quote from: nottophammer on May 23, 01:40 PM 2018But it's like what most on here would say, as long as it wins more than it lose, then that's good enough for me
As a basic rule, yes. But are winnings from short term and progression, or from legitimate edge? There's a big difference.
If 100 people all used the same system, would the combined result likely be win or loss?
People are still not understanding the basics. They still think you can just play short term and be assured profit. And they think you dont need to test many spins because you'll never play many spins. All classic fallacy.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 23, 02:47 PM 2018due to the condition my Son is in. i need alot of money, but in a legal way, NOT by misleiding People, there are some here that a willing to make money false claims paisson ring a Bell
You shouldnt be looking at roulette to solve this problem. Not with any method or technology.
But strange you talk about misleading, not seeing who's being misleading and how.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 23, 02:47 PM 2018When you are willing to study hard and Long enough, the fruit wil ripe, and i can say
Once you eventually understand why methods fail, and what works, you'll finally be saying "oh get it now. There's no way around unfair payouts unless you actually change the odds, which means increasing accuracy of predictions. And repeaters/hot numbers dont at all change the odds."
You can save yourself a lot of time by starting with proper testing. And consider the extensive testing from others.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 23, 02:47 PM 2018look past 1 spin
You are not paid from a bunch of spins. You are paid based on the next spin alone. Each spin is an independent event.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 23, 02:47 PM 2018sick off All the naysayers
What are the naysayers saying? You cant make 1+1=3? How dare they.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 23, 02:47 PM 2018you win due to study and hard work, and listen to those Who are knowing what they say.
Hard and accurate work leads to what experienced players have been telling you. And you're rather mixed up by who is or isnt experienced.
Jek you have a long way to go. I hope for your sake you snap out of it. Pay attention, do some research about what experienced players are saying, verify it for yourself, try to understand what is being said.
Quote from: Nimo on May 23, 07:38 PM 2018
Yup, repeaters work, simple 8 number bet, +1 progression on a loss. 100 unit bankroll turned into $500 in 150 spins. Imagine with a nice aggressive progression. Bet selection is the key.
Nimo try it with flat bets. Your bankroll trend has obvious progression so its only a matter of time that the big losses wipe you out.
Progression is like a high interest loan. It's good for a while, until you need to pay it back plus interest. You can either get lucky and win big, or be unlucky and loss lots.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:47 PM 2018
Nimo try it with flat bets. Your bankroll trend has obvious progression so its only a matter of time that the big losses wipe you out.
Progression is like a high interest loan. It's good for a while, until you need to pay it back plus interest. You can either get lucky and win big, or be unlucky and loss lots.
Long term progression do work in other gambling areas. I have made enough money using progressions in sports betting that some would call a fortune. This is against the math. 25 years and counting. However my house is real, my cars are real, All paid with progressions. It would make sense to work in roulette as well, against the math.
Turbo you are posting dribble. Simple tests show repeaters dont at all change the odds. Your system makes random bets, so all that's left is progression betting. It is not an opinion. The testing proves it. Random does not have limits. Maybe you dont really understand it.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 23, 06:38 PM 2018How can you play on numbers that will appear above average Steve ?
Numbers hitting above expected is the only way to win surely, so what examples
would you give on how to do this - hell, you might stumble onto the HG yourself.
If numbers hit above average, it may be caused from physical bias. "Hot numbers" is classic fallacy. You can follow hot numbers and on each spin, or any group of spins, you will find hot numbers spin just as frequently as cold numbers. THAT MEANS BET SELECTION BASED ON REPEATERS IS THE SAME AS RANDOM GUESSING.
Again it is not an opinion. Do you have any idea how much this principle has been tested??? Only on gambling forums is logic, basic math and probability absent.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 23, 06:38 PM 2018numbers start flowing in that lovely random like they do - repeaters happen,
more, more - jeez I bet one number shows 10 times in 3 cycles even - would you
have been playing it ? If not then there's no hope. If you would have been playing it -
then you're playing repeaters and hot numbers which we all know can't possibly exist.
Turbo I understand your theories and logic. the problem is you're dead wrong and missing big parts. Ive already explained it all before but you dont get it.
Quote from: Nimo on May 23, 07:54 PM 2018Long term progression do work in other gambling areas
If you dont have an edge first, then progression is nothing more than random bets with different bet size. Its not my opinion. Its just how it is.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:58 PM 2018
If you dont have an edge first, then progression is nothing more than random bets with different bet size. Its not my opinion. Its just how it is.
Repeats are the edge. Any random 8 numbers require 42 spins to hit a probability of 99.9964005% to hit (=-(((29/37)^42)-1)) That along with the house edge of -2.7% is the math. 42 spins forget about progression, no table limits would go that high.
However the repeats happen within the confines of that math. You can't deny they don\t happen and happen like clockwork within each 37 spin cycle. I know that my bet selection will never go to 42 spins, either in RNG or live as the bet has key numerical points that have to occur within 37 spins, these things happen in random as well as in fixed patterns.
QuoteAll this time wasted on back and forth squabbling - how about thinking
best joke of all time :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Nimo on May 23, 08:19 PM 2018
Repeats are the edge.
On an RNG wheel, why should repeats hit more frequently than cold numbers, warm numbers, or just random guessing? ::)
What do you estimate the edge to be on repeat numbers?
Nimo, how do you know which will repeat with better than random accuracy?
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 23, 06:38 PM 2018All this time wasted on back and forth squabbling - how about thinking.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:45 PM 2018The bet selection is nonsense.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:45 PM 2018But some people just dont get it.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:45 PM 2018Once you eventually understand why methods fail
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:45 PM 2018What are the naysayers saying? You cant make 1+1=3? How dare they.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:57 PM 2018Turbo you are posting dribble.
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 07:57 PM 2018Random does not have limits. Maybe you dont really understand it.
Thinking Level Achieved = 0
Don't bother at this point, it's useless.
Turbo, Why didnt you include the long clear explanations of WHY repeaters and hot numbers dont work, along with the software and explanations to prove what I'm saying?
What I find irritating is the complete and utter lack of common sense. The logic is just out the window. The math...doesn't exist.
And then there are the oxymorons, which don't make any sense either!
QuoteAll the threads that Turbo Made, is for us, not for him.
He truly wants us to learn, but sadly many don't, look past 1 spin and are not willing to put their believe aside, to look at the game in a Different way.
For them, Who are not Will to, they Will never learn.
No one dares to speak freely about what they think, well i'm sick of it, sick off All the naysayers, of All those Who are bestraying good willing People like 6th Sence and others. You don't win in roulette by deciving People, you win due to study and hard work, and listen to those Who are knowing what they say.
Enough said. :sad2:
And then there's the absurd like what's written above. "
He truly wants us to learn, but sadly many don't, look past 1 spin and are not willing to put their believe aside, to look at the game in a Different way. Here we are looking at the long term, but we're told that the long term doesn't matter because nobody will play that long, and then we are told that we can't see past one spin! So we are to believe that what matters exists somewhere between two spins and something shorter than the long term??? ::)
.. just like flat earthers. Bad logic, poor understanding, everything is a conspiracy, and so convinced everyone else has the problem.
Even when it is all spelled out with facts and information anyone can verify, nope, the earth must be flat.
Funny, even my 2,5 year Old Son knows that he is getting his dinner at 5 in the afternoon. Even he doesn't beg for his dinner at 3 O' clock! :lol:
Once i Walk in the kitchen and grap his plate, he Comes Right after me and he knows what Will come next; his dinner!
And guess what; he doesn't even know what Time it is in the First place!
Why would he wait in the kitchen at 11 in the morning, before i crap his plate 6 hours later? Steve, if my 2,5 Son knows, why don't you get it? It's beyond me, really. You Have No comon Sense regarding roulette at all. Hell, i would develp roulette divices myself, if i know, that i never could understand how to win more then lose in roulette in the First place. :lol:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 12:49 AM 2018Funny, even my 2,5 year Old Son knows that he is getting his dinner at 5 in the afternoon.
If you keep playing repeaters and ignoring fundamentals that are really clear, maybe he wont know. I'm not joking.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 12:49 AM 2018And guess what; he doesn't even know what Time it is in the First place!
My dog does the same thing, except he has a bowl. But I fail to see the relevance.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 12:49 AM 2018Why would he wait in the kitchen at 11 in the morning, before i crap his plate 6 hours later?
You crap his plate? I hope that was a typo.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 12:49 AM 2018Steve, if my 2,5 Son knows, why don't you get it?
You're right. I don't get what the **** you are on about.
If I had to guess, it has something to do with expecting repeaters.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 12:49 AM 2018You Have No comon Sense regarding roulette at all.
Think of the dumbest guy you know. Take it a few levels below that. Well that's how dumb I am. I even know a lot less about roulette.
Jekh, I'll spell it out to you: You are thick. But its ok. You need to start somewhere.
You clearly dont want help and even when its right in front of your face, you appear to lack the intelligence to understand it.
Seriously now, I dont think you tinkering with roulette is a good idea. I'm sorry your son has health issues, but really roulette is not going to solve any problems with your mindset. You are in a dangerous position, probably headed into a gambling problem if not already there.
Jek since you have a family, you cant just go dicking around with gambling. You need to know what you are doing or you'll put yourself and your family in a bad position - sooner or later. You are making some very big mistakes even just with fundamental understanding.
Even with roulette computers, which are unquestionably the most powerful way to win, you really don't have the right mindset for professional casino play. You have the mentality of a GAMBLER.
I'm not trying to insult you. I'm serious.
I hope you arent playing with more than you can realistically afford to lose - which likely isnt much considering your explanation you need money.
You at least have a responsibility to properly look at what you are doing. Even with the right approach, again I really dont think you have the right mindset for it. So I think your whole roulette venture is likely to end bad. I'm not your father, just actually concerned.
Quote from: Steve on May 24, 01:33 AM 2018
Jek since you have a family, you cant just go dicking around with gambling. You need to know what you are doing or you'll put yourself and your family in a bad position - sooner or later. You are making some very big mistakes even just with fundamental understanding.
Even with roulette computers, which are unquestionably the most powerful way to win, you really don't have the right mindset for professional casino play. You have the mentality of a GAMBLER.
I'm not trying to insult you. I'm serious.
I hope you arent playing with more than you can realistically afford to lose - which likely isnt much considering your explanation you need money.
You at least have a responsibility to properly look at what you are doing. Even with the right approach, again I really dont think you have the right mindset for it. So I think your whole roulette venture is likely to end bad. I'm not your father, just actually concerned.
:ooh:
Jeck,
The explanation lies in the fact your kid expects his dinner at a certain hour because it is served regularly. Unlike with roulette. Deliver the food chaotically and he will never know when to expect it.
People forget or don't know that in a fair wheel there are no patterns. 'Random' means just that: unpredictable.
Quote from: Steve on May 24, 01:15 AM 2018
If you keep playing repeaters and ignoring fundamentals that are really clear, maybe he wont know. I'm not joking.
My dog does the same thing, except he has a bowl. But I fail to see the relevance.
You crap his plate? I hope that was a typo.
You're right. I don't get what the **** you are on about.
If I had to guess, it has something to do with expecting repeaters.
Think of the dumbest guy you know. Take it a few levels below that. Well that's how dumb I am. I even know a lot less about roulette.
Jekh, I'll spell it out to you: You are thick. But its ok. You need to start somewhere.
You clearly dont want help and even when its right in front of your face, you appear to lack the intelligence to understand it.
Seriously now, I dont think you tinkering with roulette is a good idea. I'm sorry your son has health issues, but really roulette is not going to solve any problems with your mindset. You are in a dangerous position, probably headed into a gambling problem if not already there.
First, i would like to say that i'm admire you honestly.
Second, i don't Have gambling problems.
I Have a wife and 6 six kids, wich 5 live at Home and 1 is Living with my ex wife. I'm Happy maried for 15 years now. Do you think that when i Have gambling problems my wife would stay? I would be alone along Time ago.
I never play with my own money.
Better yet, i haven't for over a year now.
Why? Because i play with the money from the casino.
Why? Because i win More then i lose.
Again, i play with coution, i'm not greedy, and when i'm in profit and Have reached my daily goal, i leave.
I never spend More Time in the casino then i can spent with my Family.
I only play for one hour a day, maybe 2 not More.
I'm in the hospital Most of the Time.
Do i need to learnore about the game? Yes i do, do i know what i'm doin' ? Yes i do.
I never, ever Have or Will play with household money. Again, i'm 42 and Have a Family, i know my responsibility.
I Always play Low stakes 1 euro.
Why because i know i haven't got a System or the knowledge to 100 % know that i'm gonna win every session.
Yes i need alot of money, for our movement to a Different Country.
I don't like about that, and i don't decive People to get what i need.
I want to learn, from those Who know More then i, and there are alot of them! But i Have comon sense. I never ever gonna bet on numbers that haven't shown! Why would i? I only play repeaters Max 2 numbers at a Time. Well, i would say that is very Smart :yawn:
Quote from: psimoes on May 24, 01:57 AM 2018
Jeck,
The explanation lies in the fact your kid expects his dinner at a certain hour because it is served regularly. Unlike with roulette. Deliver the food chaotically and he will never know when to expect it.
People forget or don't know that in a fair wheel there are no patterns. 'Random' means just that: unpredictable.
You All don't get it.
When a number shows, it has the possibility to repeat itself. Before it can repeat, he has to show First doesn't it?
So my betselection has Just been improved over All the other players Who bet numbers that haven't showed. And believe me, i See alot of People play that way. And they are all wondering why my number hit More Times then their number? I don't even bother to explain it to them, because they throw money on the Table, hundreds of euro's and lose All. And i win with the same spins and with less money bet. They Just don't understand. You need to See their Faces, when my number hits for the 5th Time and i win 4 out of the 5 showing!!! They don't like that :lol:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 02:01 AM 2018I never ever gonna bet on numbers that haven't shown! Why would i? I only play repeaters Max 2 numbers at a Time.
Why would you play repeaters when, at that point, they appear the same amount as cold numbers?
If you tested lots of spins, you would find what I've been saying:
the COLD numbers will spin next, or sometime soon, just as often as HOT numbers.Jek, its not my opinion. Just test using some kind of automated software that does it all for you.
Don't say you wont test lots because you wont play lots. That would be forgetting 100 players betting 1 spin is the same as 1 player betting 100 spins.
Testing lots makes the truth clear. Which is just as several of us have been saying: random is random. If you arent changing the odds of winning, you have changed nothing, and you are eventually going to lose.
See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ for more information.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 02:11 AM 2018
You All don't get it.
When a number shows, it has the possibility to repeat itself. Before it can repeat, he has to show First doesn't it?
So my betselection has Just been improved over All the other players Who bet numbers that haven't showed. And believe me, i See alot of People play that way. And they are all wondering why my number hit More Times then their number? I don't even bother to explain it to them, because they throw money on the Table, hundreds of euro's and lose All. And i win with the same spins and with less money bet. They Just don't understand. You need to See their Faces, when my number hits for the 5th Time and i win 4 out of the 5 showing!!! They don't like that :lol:
Ed, summed up nicely.
So your 100 games spread out over time you're going to lose, Hmm, math might show what should happen, but then you know it not necessairly going to happen to you, as you'll win more than lose.
Now our old mate Mr Winkel has a bankroll that he uses and built another bankroll, so now he has never had to use the original bankroll.
I suppose we have to believe or not believe, but would he need to lie?
Look at MPR, only a day and they're resetting BR's, but not all, i suppose when some are still above the win rate another OOPs will happen, reset get them all below win rate.
Here we go Notto,from Steve; Bla,Bla, Bla same old speech coming up, you and the General must be on a loop, same old,same old
about another 8 hours of Bla,Bla coming up till he goes to bed
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Oh look 7:40
1st 10 spins, repeat 8/10 and #12 good money there and KFC win 1st bet
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#12 oh yeah 1/37 Fcuk off
Yet before the reset, your win rate was negative.
That's because your system doesnt work. A repeater sometimes wont repeat again. Sometimes it will. Its a 1 in 37 thing.
Again its not opinion. Tests clearly show it. Want to ignore proper testing??
Honestly its just basic statistics. All this repeaters and hot numbers nonsense. A statastician would laugh at you and call you a deluded fool with no idea. Its not an attack. Your understanding is that poor.
Why do most casinos display hot numbers?? To hook inexperienced players.
Steve,
Unsolicited advice can get very boring after a while.
(from Psychology Today)
The reason why most people don’t take unsolicited advice has to do with independence and defiance.
As adults, we’re not first graders who come when called. Adults have spent enough years listening to teachers preach in front of the classroom, or being subjected to parents who control so much of a child's life. In other words, most men and women reach a point where they tire of listening to others tell them what to do, and they would rather make a mistake and suffer the consequence than comply like a dutiful child in response to advice, even if the advice would actually lead to a better result. What comes to mind is Swiss philosopher Rousseau’s famous quote from The Social Contract: “Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains.†It is precisely these chains which make men and women reject unsolicited advice. All most men and women want as adults is a sense of independence and freedom.
see whole article if you choose to
link:s://:.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/insight-is-2020/201712/why-people-give-unsolicited-advice-though-no-one-listens
here you can see more on the unsolicited advice giver.
I agree. But if i was making mistakes, and someone gave me unsolicited advice, i would put my pride aside, carefully consider the logic, and hopefully learn somethung new. Thats what a grown and logical person does.
I really dont give a rats ass if someone wants to ignore logic then lose their own money.
My responses are not to educate the ignorant gambler. Its to help people in general move in the right direction.
good luck with that then
Quote from: Steve on May 24, 04:33 AM 2018
I agree. But if i was making mistakes, and someone gave me unsolicited advice, i would put my pride aside, carefully consider the logic, and hopefully learn somethung new. Thats what a grown and logical person does.
I really dont give a rats ass if someone wants to ignore logic then lose their own money.
My responses are not to educate the ignorant gambler. Its to help people in general move in the right direction.
You are doin' Just the opposite :yawn: but Keep goin', you are doin' a great job :thumbsup:
Its better to have slightly hurt pride and be honest with yourself, than be ignorant.
Its weakness to put pride before growth. Its like a child stomping feet, rejecting the actual truth because someone told them so. I dont mind being taught. It helps me progress quicker. It doesnt hurt my pride. I'm not an insecure child.
Me teaching something does not mean i am superior. We all have better knowledge of something. Nobody needs to feel threatened.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 04:39 AM 2018
You are doin' Just the opposite :yawn: but Keep goin', you are doin' a great job :thumbsup:
Jek we've established you are slow. I'm not trying to help you anymore. Im helping other people misled by garbage. People who put truth first.
Quote from: Steve on May 24, 04:41 AM 2018
Its better to have slightly hurt pride and be honest with yourself, than be ignorant.
Its weakness to put pride before growth. Its like a child stomping feet, rejecting the actual truth because someone told them so. I dont mind being taught. It helps me progress quicker. It doesnt hurt my pride. I'm not an insecure child.
Me teaching something does not mean i am superior. We all have better knowledge of something. Nobody needs to feel threatened.
By the way, what does the hotnumbers listing on the marque Mean???
Absolutly nothing ! Why? Because these are stats of hotnumbers of the whole day. These Have nothing to do with my playing session. Why? Because past spins Mean nothing . When i start playing, that's the moment when numbers matter, and the Hot numbers that are created, are the ones that are created during my play session, not before i went to the casino.
I don't need to know that #4 has hitted 7 Times this morning! I care what i does when i start to play!
You Just Keep saying things, but you don't Have a clue what we are talking about.
Calm down you both ! Or I let tuner block you ...
Show me anything verifiable that proves repeaters change odds.
Because every known credible test shows they don't
I have showed this for my argument. Now show me yours.
Its a secret, right? I hope you win millions.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 24, 04:51 AM 2018
Calm down you both ! Or I let tuner block you ...
He cant. He already tried. I wield the magic admin card here.
Quote from: Steve on May 24, 04:53 AM 2018
He cant. He already tried. I wield the magic admin card here.
What !
A moderator without power is useless, like a man without dick !
:xd:
Quote from: Steve on May 24, 04:33 AM 2018
I agree. But if i was making mistakes, and someone gave me unsolicited advice, i would put my pride aside, carefully consider the logic, and hopefully learn somethung new. Thats what a grown and logical person does.
I really dont give a rats ass if someone wants to ignore logic then lose their own money.
My responses are not to educate the ignorant gambler. Its to help people in general move in the right direction.
Hell....I aint telling you to stop. I am pointing out human nature.
Yes and i agree turner. It explains the ignorance and state of the human race.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 24, 04:51 AM 2018
Calm down you both ! Or I let tuner block you ...
Well then Block me! If i can't speak freely then i Have No place here. I didn't say anything harmful. I'm not a child that needs punsihment. >:(
Quote from: Steve on May 23, 08:58 PM 2018
Nimo, how do you know which will repeat with better than random accuracy?
Within random, patterns form. In a span of 37 numbers there are five different patterns that form, sure as time goes by, they are there spin after spin after spin. You can argue there are thousands of combinations of 8 numbers, but in reality only 5 different ones. Numbers tend to have a yin and yang with each other. So even in random they find their mates. Within those patterns the repeats happen and the patterns that occur the most tell you what repeats to bet
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 24, 05:25 AM 2018Well then Block me!
no ones getting blocked. Ignore roulettebeater
He cant even spell my name right
Quote from: Turner on May 24, 05:51 AM 2018
no ones getting blocked. Ignore roulettebeater
He cant even spell my name right
I do, it’s
T U N E R :xd:
Tuner
When will you understand that I call you tuner on purpose !
I find it better than turner!
Your job is to moderate the forum and tune the discussions ... from here comes the name tuner !
Quote from: Nimo on May 24, 05:39 AM 2018
Within random, patterns form. In a span of 37 numbers there are five different patterns that form, sure as time goes by, they are there spin after spin after spin. You can argue there are thousands of combinations of 8 numbers, but in reality only 5 different ones. Numbers tend to have a yin and yang with each other. So even in random they find their mates. Within those patterns the repeats happen and the patterns that occur the most tell you what repeats to bet
Nimo,
Guess again. This time, don't stare at the sky as you make the sh^t up. ;)
Quote from: The General on May 24, 01:12 PM 2018
Nimo,
Guess again. This time, don't stare at the sky as you make the sh^t up. ;)
Thanks for your advice. I'll dedicate today's withdrawal in your honour.
Even a ridiculous premise of a set of numbers coming in 36, 35,34,33 etc in descending order, pattern E develops first, it appears the most time and the win is on the third bet. Every set of numbers has this pattern
Quote from: Nimo on May 24, 01:50 PM 2018
Even a ridiculous premise of a set of numbers coming in 36, 35,34,33 etc in descending order, pattern E develops first, it appears the most time and the win is on the third bet. Every set of numbers has this pattern
Nope. In the long run a win comes in as frequently as basic probability predicts, which unfortunately is still not frequently enough to overcome the house edge.
Quote from: The General on May 24, 02:00 PM 2018
Nope. In the long run a win comes in as frequently as basic probability predicts, which unfortunately is still not frequently enough to overcome the house edge.
That's okay, I built a house betting against house edges much higher than roulette, I'll take 2.7% and a quick less than an hour turnaround all day long.
Quote from: Nimo on May 24, 02:16 PM 2018
That's okay, I built a house betting against house edges much higher than roulette, I'll take 2.7% and a quick less than an hour turnaround all day long.
No you didn't. ::)
You should not make sh#t up like that because foolish people may believe you. For example people in desperate financial situations with sick family members. It can also sound like a scam is in the making.
Quote from: The General on May 24, 03:06 PM 2018
No you didn't. ::)
You should not make sh#t up like that because foolish people may believe you. For example people in desperate financial situations with sick family members. It can also sound like a scam is in the making.
good observation mr general.
thx for the counter attack
:thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on May 24, 03:06 PM 2018
No you didn't. ::)
You should not make sh#t up like that because foolish people may believe you. For example people in desperate financial situations with sick family members. It can also sound like a scam is in the making.
Believe what you want, as far as scam, I have never taken money for anything and never will. I have given away things of value, never taken anything in return. I have posted countless winning systems in sports forums for free. If I can help, I can and will, not for any money, or ego, be humble and help whatever way you can. I was brought up that way, and I teach the same to my children.
Quote from: The General on May 24, 03:06 PM 2018
No you didn't. ::)
You should not make sh#t up like that because foolish people may believe you. For example people in desperate financial situations with sick family members. It can also sound like a scam is in the making.
If this was a refference towards me, be a real guy and say it in my face! >:( >:(
Quote from: Nimo on May 24, 03:59 PM 2018
Believe what you want, as far as scam, I have never taken money for anything and never will. I have given away things of value, never taken anything in return. I have posted countless winning systems in sports forums for free. If I can help, I can and will, not for any money, or ego, be humble and help whatever way you can. I was brought up that way, and I teach the same to my children.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on May 24, 01:12 PM 2018don't stare at the sky as you make the sh^t up.
Quote from: The General on May 24, 03:06 PM 2018You should not make sh#t up like that because...
General, did you know you're allowed to use the word shit on this forum?
Shitty shit cunt cunt
Quote from: Nimo on May 24, 03:59 PM 2018
Believe what you want, as far as scam, I have never taken money for anything and never will.
Good, I'm happy to hear that. :)
General
Why don’t you let people trade their systems ?
It’s legit ! They can sell their systems to suckers