Wasn't sure I wanted to post this, but I want to help, or maybe see if this can be improved in anyway.
To all the math guys, yes I know the odds, yes I know progressions don't work in the long run, yes, blah blah blah. Each time I double my bankroll, I consider it a victory. Each time my bankroll grows past the top step in my progression it is another victory. Having said that the bet selection tends to go into my favour time and time again. So math guys please don't tell me I won't make any money or I will lose it all in the long run. I withdrew a sizable chunk of change this week playing this, so until that stops I will keep withdrawing.
You can use a modified labby of 1111,2222,3333,4444, etc plus one on a loss, drop a section of numbers on a win until new high. It's safest progression but takes forever.
Here is the progression that I use, it's for 8 numbers. You need a larger bankroll if you are playing $1 bets, but you can start with 1 cent tables if your casino has them and move up as bankroll grows.
1,1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,13,17,22,28,36,46,59,76,98,126,162,208. That is 24 steps. (7480 units) I actually have the progresssion up to 29 steps as my betting limit at my casino will cater that. However in testing with real money with help from Eddy, progression has hit step 21.
It's pretty basic system based on an older post I had on here about partners. The way I had the system before was to wait for the partner to show up, now I just bet on the repeating sections. Thank you to Turbo for the repeat angle of looking at things.
The 6 numbers (6,15,24,33) usually show up with the 9 numbers (9,18,27,36)
The 4 numbers (4,13,22,31) usually show up with the 7 numbers (7,16,25,34)
The 3 numbers (3, 12, 21, 30) usually show up with the 8 numbers (8, 17,26,35)
The 2 numbers (2,11, 20,29) usually show up with the 5 numbers (5,14,23,32)
The 1 numbers (1, 10, 19, 28) Usually show up with the zero numbers (0, 11, 20 30)
I write down the sections, 1-2-3-4-6, as the numbers in their sections show up, I place a tick beside the number section, once a section is in the lead I bet on that section with progression. If it stays in the lead, I keep betting on it, if another section takes over the lead, then I bet on that section, If the sections are equal I don't bet until a section goes into the lead again. ( again thanks to Turbo for the racehorse analogy) The progression I have set up sets up for a profit at each level so once I get a hit, I will profit and start at beginning of progression. I track the sections until the first section to have 25 hits is done and the game is over. The odds of getting 8 random numbers to hit in 100 spins is 21 times, the hottest section usually hits around 25 times within a 100 spins, giving me charts like these.
Conversely, if you don't want to track, just play the last section hit with progression, you will get steeper drawdowns, but they recover quickly. This way of play I have on roulette simulator under Nickmo.
Thanks to Eddy for helping me test it.
Well, that's good, perhaps in most cases, BUT then, no-one can invent a progression than can cover 'extreme' situations, but it's not uncommon than a DOZEN sleep 20 times, 8 numbers? well, 24 steps is too short imo, and also the BR is too great to cover all steps? Therefore you *could* try a less agressive progression, this is what i mentioned 'the dynamic fibonaci progression' that was really invented by winkel, it goes like (8 numbers) -->cycle 4 spins, therefore use fibo. numbers and +1 step in the ladder for each 4 losses in a row, and -1 step for each win (or -2-3 steps if you're close to reaching a new high) Reset progression when reached a new high.
1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5
8 8 8 8
13 13 13 13
21 21 21 21
34 34 34 34
55 55 55 55
89 89 89 89
....etc THAT also require a very large BR, but in most cases the progression Won't go that far, (only in extreme cases)
Therefore, to play with a Set *Stoploss & Wingoal* is essential playin with any kind of progression,
Hope that could be helpful.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 03, 10:28 AM 2018
Wasn't sure I wanted to post this, but I want to help, or maybe see if this can be improved in anyway.
To all the math guys, yes I know the odds, yes I know progressions don't work in the long run, yes, blah blah blah. Each time I double my bankroll, I consider it a victory. Each time my bankroll grows past the top step in my progression it is another victory. Having said that the bet selection tends to go into my favour time and time again. So math guys please don't tell me I won't make any money or I will lose it all in the long run. I withdrew a sizable chunk of change this week playing this, so until that stops I will keep withdrawing.
You can use a modified labby of 1111,2222,3333,4444, etc plus one on a loss, drop a section of numbers on a win until new high. It's safest progression but takes forever.
Here is the progression that I use, it's for 8 numbers. You need a larger bankroll if you are playing $1 bets, but you can start with 1 cent tables if your casino has them and move up as bankroll grows.
1,1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,13,17,22,28,36,46,59,76,98,126,162,208. That is 24 steps. (7480 units) I actually have the progresssion up to 29 steps as my betting limit at my casino will cater that. However in testing with real money with help from Eddy, progression has hit step 21.
It's pretty basic system based on an older post I had on here about partners. The way I had the system before was to wait for the partner to show up, now I just bet on the repeating sections. Thank you to Turbo for the repeat angle of looking at things.
The 6 numbers (6,15,24,33) usually show up with the 9 numbers (9,18,27,36)
The 4 numbers (4,13,22,31) usually show up with the 7 numbers (7,16,25,34)
The 3 numbers (3, 12, 21, 30) usually show up with the 8 numbers (8, 17,26,35)
The 2 numbers (2,11, 20,29) usually show up with the 5 numbers (5,14,23,32)
The 1 numbers (1, 10, 19, 28) Usually show up with the zero numbers (0, 11, 20 30)
I write down the sections, 1-2-3-4-6, as the numbers in their sections show up, I place a tick beside the number section, once a section is in the lead I bet on that section with progression. If it stays in the lead, I keep betting on it, if another section takes over the lead, then I bet on that section, If the sections are equal I don't bet until a section goes into the lead again. ( again thanks to Turbo for the racehorse analogy) The progression I have set up sets up for a profit at each level so once I get a hit, I will profit and start at beginning of progression. I track the sections until the first section to have 25 hits is done and the game is over. The odds of getting 8 random numbers to hit in 100 spins is 21 times, the hottest section usually hits around 25 times within a 100 spins, giving me charts like these.
Conversely, if you don't want to track, just play the last section hit with progression, you will get steeper drawdowns, but they recover quickly. This way of play I have on roulette simulator under Nickmo.
Thanks to Eddy for helping me test it.
You are very welcome my friend, glad i could be of assistance.
It's a very strong System indeed. What People don't understand is that this isn't a normal 8 number betting System that can reach +30 spins before a hit. But that it is a Dynamic System, where the 8 numbers Keep changing All the Time. I think this System can get even better if we somehow can adjust the progression, but that's for later concern. I like to congratulate you with this great System.
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highest step in Prog 9
The only part that raises concern is like you say had to use 21st step of prog, you can see that the more a section hits, like here section 2 was 11 wins infront of the next nearest section, so if the current section goes dead, how long before another section catches up, would the prog get caught
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Consider risk v reward.
Is the risk of losing commensurate with the possible reward?
I'm averse to methods where risk/reward don't add up.
Meanwhile my Clusters programme continues to produce
results which I can only describe as amazing. So for me
there's no need to look further.
In fact I'm a bit disappointed at its success. What am I
going to do now? Must have some ideas to programme.
Any suggestions?
Hi Nimo, 2nd go and it's :thumbsup:
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This is the worry part, but the answer should be stop at +128, but carried on now +256. But you can see section 2 is pulling away, if it goes dead how long would betting go on for ? if unlucky it might be 23 spins.
IT could get to 1,3,4,6 all on 7 hits 22 spins and 23rd spin 2 sections would be level, would this be why you got to step 21
I would like to find some way of not getting to this situation, but it does look good.
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The above 34 spins
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The way the numbers are laid out, it works well as a column repeating system too.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 03, 10:28 AM 2018
I write down the sections, 1-2-3-4-6, as the numbers in their sections show up, I place a tick beside the number section, once a section is in the lead I bet on that section with progression.
So let's say a number from the 9 section hits, would you add that to the 6 section? Because the 6 section usually shows up after the 9 section.
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 03, 10:54 AM 2018
Well, that's good, perhaps in most cases, BUT then, no-one can invent a progression than can cover 'extreme' situations, but it's not uncommon than a DOZEN sleep 20 times, 8 numbers? well, 24 steps is too short imo, and also the BR is too great to cover all steps? Therefore you *could* try a less agressive progression, this is what i mentioned 'the dynamic fibonaci progression' that was really invented by winkel, it goes like (8 numbers) -->cycle 4 spins, therefore use fibo. numbers and +1 step in the ladder for each 4 losses in a row, and -1 step for each win (or -2-3 steps if you're close to reaching a new high) Reset progression when reached a new high.
1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5
8 8 8 8
13 13 13 13
21 21 21 21
34 34 34 34
55 55 55 55
89 89 89 89
....etc THAT also require a very large BR, but in most cases the progression Won't go that far, (only in extreme cases)
Therefore, to play with a Set *Stoploss & Wingoal* is essential playin with any kind of progression,
Hope that could be helpful.
Hi ignatus
You wrote down the progression but you forgot to mention how we should use it, how do you go through the diffrent levels in this progression ?
Thx
Quote from: SamNL on Jun 04, 09:03 AM 2018
So let's say a number from the 9 section hits, would you add that to the 6 section? Because the 6 section usually shows up after the 9 section.
Yes the 6 and 9 are a section together. I just wrote them down as 1-2-3-4-6 as its the lowest number per section, you could do it a-b-c-d-e or whatever works for you.
Hi Nimo,
what if number 11 hits. This number is in groups 2 numbers and also zero numbers. Do you add tick to both groups 2 numbers and 1 numbers (that create a section with zero numbers)?
Quote from: MrG on Jun 04, 11:57 AM 2018
Hi Nimo,
what if number 11 hits. This number is in groups 2 numbers and also zero numbers. Do you add tick to both groups 2 numbers and 1 numbers (that create a section with zero numbers)?
I put in the main base section, an 11 is a two, there is a 30 in the zero, but that would go to the threes etc.
Just for $hits and giggles, here is a chart with playing the system using the 1111,2222,3333,4444,5555666 progression. to the right on a loss, if a hit but not a new high, stay at that number until the 4 spins, reset on new high, using $10 units and just kept going. Largest drawdown $2720. End balance $10140 at spin 291. Highest progression level was 5.
Maybe, actually it will be a better option to use the hot sector selection.
I did a similar test, but as hot sectors I used the table, I played according to your concept ,, I chose double streets, it is easier to follow them and the costs are several times smaller.
I used to play so flat bet. But now I've tried progression calculated at 30 steps and costing 770 units.
I moved the assumptions of your strategy and played, always the hottest double street and I finished when it was 20
Unfortunately, in 7 session, progression did not last and lost 30 steps, it entered 32 step
Until then, I did something about 250 units, and I lost 770
Quote from: ozon on Jun 05, 05:37 PM 2018
Maybe, actually it will be a better option to use the hot sector selection.
I did a similar test, but as hot sectors I used the table, I played according to your concept ,, I chose double streets, it is easier to follow them and the costs are several times smaller.
I used to play so flat bet. But now I've tried progression calculated at 30 steps and costing 770 units.
I moved the assumptions of your strategy and played, always the hottest double street and I finished when it was 20
Unfortunately, in 7 session, progression did not last and lost 30 steps, it entered 32 step
Until then, I did something about 250 units, and I lost 770
I think the bet selection is what makes this work, the numbers seem to go together well, where in a double street or street, I think its more random.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 03, 10:28 AM 2018
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Conversely, if you don't want to track, just play the last section hit with progression, you will get steeper drawdowns, but they recover quickly. This way of play I have on roulette simulator under Nickmo.
...
If continually always playing the last section hit i guess it would make sense to only bet the last 7 unhit numbers. So progression should also be a bit cheaper. Aka if last spin was number 10 then next spin is very unlikely to repeat with 10 again. However the 7 other (unhit) numbers in this group/sections makes total logic sense to bet on. Just a quick idea if anyone considers this version.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 03, 10:28 AM 2018
Wasn't sure I wanted to post this, but I want to help, or maybe see if this can be improved in anyway.
To all the math guys, yes I know the odds, yes I know progressions don't work in the long run, yes, blah blah blah. Each time I double my bankroll, I consider it a victory. Each time my bankroll grows past the top step in my progression it is another victory. Having said that the bet selection tends to go into my favour time and time again. So math guys please don't tell me I won't make any money or I will lose it all in the long run. I withdrew a sizable chunk of change this week playing this, so until that stops I will keep withdrawing.
You can use a modified labby of 1111,2222,3333,4444, etc plus one on a loss, drop a section of numbers on a win until new high. It's safest progression but takes forever.
Here is the progression that I use, it's for 8 numbers. You need a larger bankroll if you are playing $1 bets, but you can start with 1 cent tables if your casino has them and move up as bankroll grows.
1,1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,13,17,22,28,36,46,59,76,98,126,162,208. That is 24 steps. (7480 units) I actually have the progresssion up to 29 steps as my betting limit at my casino will cater that. However in testing with real money with help from Eddy, progression has hit step 21.
It's pretty basic system based on an older post I had on here about partners. The way I had the system before was to wait for the partner to show up, now I just bet on the repeating sections. Thank you to Turbo for the repeat angle of looking at things.
The 6 numbers (6,15,24,33) usually show up with the 9 numbers (9,18,27,36)
The 4 numbers (4,13,22,31) usually show up with the 7 numbers (7,16,25,34)
The 3 numbers (3, 12, 21, 30) usually show up with the 8 numbers (8, 17,26,35)
The 2 numbers (2,11, 20,29) usually show up with the 5 numbers (5,14,23,32)
The 1 numbers (1, 10, 19, 28) Usually show up with the zero numbers (0, 11, 20 30)
I write down the sections, 1-2-3-4-6, as the numbers in their sections show up, I place a tick beside the number section, once a section is in the lead I bet on that section with progression. If it stays in the lead, I keep betting on it, if another section takes over the lead, then I bet on that section, If the sections are equal I don't bet until a section goes into the lead again. ( again thanks to Turbo for the racehorse analogy) The progression I have set up sets up for a profit at each level so once I get a hit, I will profit and start at beginning of progression. I track the sections until the first section to have 25 hits is done and the game is over. The odds of getting 8 random numbers to hit in 100 spins is 21 times, the hottest section usually hits around 25 times within a 100 spins, giving me charts like these.
Conversely, if you don't want to track, just play the last section hit with progression, you will get steeper drawdowns, but they recover quickly. This way of play I have on roulette simulator under Nickmo.
Thanks to Eddy for helping me test it.
Still working great flat betting, with the only difference is if sections are equal, I play them both until one pulls ahead.
I like the nr selection. Been trying with surprisingly good hitrate. I would bet on last 3 sets except the hit nr, so 3x 3nrs. Keep the groups until 3 losses then change to the last 3 sets.
I'm trying to switch from sets of 4 nrs to sets of 3 ( one per dozen) when the swing seems to slow.
Had not noticed the set match, will pay attention and see if consistent.
Thnx
So here,
a frequent sight when testing this one, alike to above mentioned:
Play all 3 other nrs in the group. Add them as they come. On a hit, switch the ''floating'' unit to the free spot in the same group.
Reset at new high.
Easy. Wins more often than not, so far...
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Nimo,
what do you recommend flat betting or progression?
I play it all different ways, here is another way
Play the system with a 5 step progression, staying on the hottest section, if two or more sections equalize stay on the original section until a new front runner then switch. Progression I used for this example is 4-5-7-9-11, once through the progression restart progression, but keep playing the hot section you were on. I kept playing until the 19th hit on the tracker and reset.
This example, maximum bet on the progression is $88, ($288 bankroll) You can see where the progression hit and dropped, but it continued climbing. spins 31,50,59 and 74. The spin 74 I went through progression twice, but it bounced back. I think a 5x bankroll is good to start because once you get going it builds. Less than 100 spins and $1000 profit.
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ere is same system of following my hottest sections, but with positive progression of 1/5/25/100. Keep flat betting on the section with 1 unit until you get a hit, Then keep flat betting 5 units on the hottest section until you get a hit, Then 25 units then 100 units. If sections even out, stay on original section,
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Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 22, 09:45 PM 2018
Play all 3 other nrs in the group. Add them as they come. On a hit, switch the ''floating'' unit to the free spot in the same group.
Reset at new high.
Easy. Wins more often than not, so far...
I keep being surprised by the hitrate of this. It reaches 200u profit most of the time, within 100 spins.
Look at all the factors of 9 falling down close one to another. Could R-Sim's rng be ''biased''?
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Here's a regular sight:
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Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 26, 06:48 PM 2018
I keep being surprised by the hitrate of this. It reaches 200u profit most of the time, within 100 spins.
Look at all the factors of 9 falling down close one to another. Could R-Sim's rng be ''biased''?
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Here's a regular sight:
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Works on RX RNG as well as my casino RNG too.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 26, 06:48 PM 2018Could R-Sim's rng be ''biased''?
Better let the general know :twisted:
Nice Ben, I continue to be surprised by how well each of the repeater or no-hit strategies we've been fooling around with lately actually work.
Nimo and notto as well as others providing really great data. :thumbsup:
?
I don't understand what you mean.
Quote from: Nimo on Jul 23, 09:17 PM 2018
Play the system with a 5 step progression, staying on the hottest section, if two or more sections equalize stay on the original section until a new front runner then switch. Progression I used for this example is 4-5-7-9-11, once through the progression restart progression, but keep playing the hot section you were on. I kept playing until the 19th hit on the tracker and reset.
That progression has a nice ebb and flow to it, no real stress using it, even when it misses on an 11 only to hit on a reset 4. Nice.
Two groups stayed hot in this one, but only swapped spots once. By spin 52 the leading group had 16 hits, runner-up 14.
Same '4-5-7-9-11-Reset' progression as the other.
Hey Guys, what happened to this system here? Didn't work anymore?
Quote from: nasty on Jan 27, 05:26 AM 2019
Hey Guys, what happened to this system here? Didn't work anymore?
You only ever get to see the graphs which win. The trials where the bankroll negative crashed through the floor, or exceeded the table limit, are conveniently discarded and the system forgotten.
Quote from: Firefox on Jan 27, 04:14 PM 2019
You only ever get to see the graphs which win. The trials where the bankroll negative crashed through the floor, or exceeded the table limit, are conveniently discarded and the system forgotten.
Great, another tired and trite 'piss-on-everything-not-AP' clone. And he's only been here two weeks, that must be a record.... :twisted:
I can only speak for me, but I post all results good or bad. For my testing on this particular method, I stopped after what was posted. Not because the "bankroll went negative and crashed through the floor" but because I couldn't wrap my head around the "why".
Thanks for bumping the thread though Nasty, will add it back to the list of systems I want to explore further. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Mako on Jul 27, 03:10 AM 2018
That progression has a nice ebb and flow to it, no real stress using it, even when it misses on an 11 only to hit on a reset 4. Nice.
I see someone else has discovered the Martingale for the inside bets. Big wow. ::)
It works until...
General,
What you preach is of course correct but I must question your motive for repeating it daily on every single thread?
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jan 28, 12:33 AM 2019
General,
What you preach is of course correct but I must question your motive for repeating it daily on every single thread?
I don't comment on most threads and don't post very often.
@Let me Win There is a dedicated section here where mathematical system players can discuss their ideas without interruption from people who may point out the pitfalls.
Why do the players, who don't like to be told they are wrong, not post in that forum? Instead they post in the general forum where all ideas are open to debate. So, you are masters of your own fate.
Yes, good idea.
However in the opening post the poster already addressed the math boys of which I am also one in that I accept it.
I just feel it is unnecessary for it to be continually mentioned.
If we take it to the very logical conclusion then we would have to quit roulette altogether in favour of baccarat.
I didn't see the original post. Probably may not have commented otherwise, but if he really wanted that, he could have posted in the systems forum. I don't see notifications for those posts and I am blocked from posting in that forum. I guess that goes for The General too.
As I see it, Steve gave everyone the best of both worlds. Post in the open forum and have different types of comment, or post in the system players forum, where only system players are allowed.
I do see some really irresponsible things posted here. For example, people selling systems for $$$ and posting very short series of spins, all of which demonstrate the system is a big winner. It's nothing short of a scam, in my opinion.
For a roulette beginner coming to these forums, it is beneficial for such a person to have the chance to read some discussions, where all aspects of these types of system are laid open.
Then, they at least have more balanced information on which to base their purchasing or playing strategy.
Still works, hired a programmer to code a bot. Runs on one of my casinos on autopilot using 5 step progression.
Just because a poster doesn't keep posting about a system, doesn't mean the system failed. Most of the stuff I do now, I share privately. And some of us don't have as much time to post in forums as we do have a life outside in the real world.
If you have it running on a bot you could post some data of how often you lose your bankroll as opposed to how often you double your bankroll. That would be fair to let others getting know what they are getting into.
All I ever see on this forum are trials showing systems winning. I don't deny that systems can win given the right series of spins but we all know winning all the time is fantasy.