I believe this has a decent hitrate, Hotzone 8--> BET last 2 numbers hit neigbors (4+4= 8 numbers) (See pic!).
Progression: 8 numbers negative
1 1 1 1 2 2 3 4 5 6 8 10 13 17 22 28 36 46 59 76 98 126 162 208 268
(OR else double bets after each 3 losses in row).
BR/Stoploss: 300u (played with 1u bets)
I posted a system similar to this but the last two numbers drawn plus each of two neighbours on each side for a total of yen numbers, even had it coded into a bot, I had it set up for 25 step progression and it did hit that and busted. I think its better as a hit and run.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 05, 06:46 AM 2018
I posted a system similar to this but the last two numbers drawn plus each of two neighbours on each side for a total of yen numbers, even had it coded into a bot, I had it set up for 25 step progression and it did hit that and busted. I think its better as a hit and run.
Alright, yes, ofcourse it will not 'always win', therefore you have a 'stoploss'. (of 300u) +wingoal 200-300u,..so hopefully it win more than it lose. (but more testing is needed)..
Hello mr Ignatius how can i private message you theres something i need you to take a look at.
Test 3. (25u bets)
Trick here is NOT to use a too long progression, (because, in case of loss you be able to recover!).
So, the progression im using; 1 1 1 2 2 2 4 4 4 STOP
The way i play it;
(1) First, progression 1 1 1 2 2 2 4 4 4
(2) IF lost, i use the 'recovery-progression' 2 2 2 4 4 4 8 8 8 ...Until recoverd, then go back to (1)
Quote from: D.Karas on Jun 05, 04:35 PM 2018
Hello mr Ignatius how can i private message you theres something i need you to take a look at.
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Quote from: Turner on Jun 06, 07:13 AM 2018
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Watch the hidden conversation closely, tuner !
He is going to tell ignatus the top secret holly grail of the year !
:xd:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 07:44 AM 2018Watch the hidden conversation closely, tuner !
He is going to tell ignatus the top secret holly grail of the year !
this is my 'grail' roulettebeater, believe it or not. i've tried manythings, this is the best i can do, AND it has preformed well, so far on the MPR +6000u, (played with 5u bets) because i use i short progression i have always recovered, so far....but you never know when it's gonna go south. we'll see how it goes.... (normally i'd play with a set stoploss/wingoal) but that's not possible on the MPR.. anyway
Hi IGNATUS,
Do you stick with the same 8 number until a win or change every spin?
Thanks :thumbsup:
Ignatus I want to show you one thing that I like about the strength or weakness using progressions.
6 numbers are queal an even money bet hitting within four attempts and 12 numbers are equal to an even money bet hitting within two attempts.
That means that eight numbers are closer to 6 numbers then 12 numbers.
Conclusion your progression cover 6 reds or 6 blacks in a row betting does 8 numbers with that particular progression.
Is up to you to decide if you find the progression strong or weak and might change the trigger.
Cheers
Quote from: sturrock on Jun 06, 09:50 AM 2018
Hi IGNATUS,
Do you stick with the same 8 number until a win or change every spin?
Thanks :thumbsup:
hi sturrock, yes, i stick with the same numbers.
Quote from: ego on Jun 06, 10:16 AM 2018Is up to you to decide if you find the progression strong or weak and might change the trigger.
it's as perfect as it can be?, now, i've played 580 spins or so, and im +8000, (played with 5u bets)....hitrate is good, that is the essential, ....and , a short negative progression works just fine? as i said, a loss of the progressionline will be recoverd then, pretty soon, thanks to the good hitrate of this betselection. The trigger does not need to be changed....?
What happens if you lose both the prog?
Quote from: Robbert on Jun 06, 11:58 AM 2018
What happens if you lose both the prog?
well, the possibility exist that you go down the rabbit hole, yes, i've lost both progressions, (And i've recovered from that loss/drawdown also!) but i used a SECOND recovery-progression, (ofcourse this is crazy), i'd rather say stay at the first recovery progression ,.... it depends on the kind of risk you want to take, ....OR else stay at the first progressionline (and don't use any recovery progressions) that's another option, ....so far, hitrate has been so good as i've always recoverd, in the end.
HI IGNATUS
BET SELECTION HANDS DOWN IS ONE OF THE BEST
VERY SIMPLE AND VERY PROFITABLE
THE ONLY ISSUE IS ABOUT STACKING PLAN
I HAVE START TESTING WITH NUMBERS SPINS FROM MY LOCAL CASINO
EVEN ITS TO EARLY I TEST IT BETTING EXACTLY FOLLOWING YOUR INSTRUCTIONS BUT AFTER 4 VIRTUAL LOSES
THE RESULTS UNTIL NOW ARE AMAZING
ONLY 1000 SPINS UNTIL NOW
I THINK IGNATUS THAT YOU MUST FOCUS ON THAT SYSTEM
SOME GUYS LIKE DENZIE AND KATILLA ARE EXPERT ABOUT NUMBERS PROGRESSIONS AND MAYBE CAN HELP
CHEERS
MICHAEL
Quote from: poluvolo on Jun 06, 01:06 PM 2018BET SELECTION HANDS DOWN IS ONE OF THE BEST
VERY SIMPLE AND VERY PROFITABLE
THE ONLY ISSUE IS ABOUT STACKING PLAN
Yes, thanks i agree :) sry for my bad english, what is 'stacking plan' ? :S
Quote from: Robbert on Jun 06, 11:58 AM 2018
What happens if you lose both the prog?
This is a good question and I will give an honest answer.
All progression fail at some point sooner or later.
If you lucky you will win during a period of time and feel good.
But when the progression fails you give all the money back to the casino.
Is not easy to make money playing with progressions.
My recommendation would be no matter what progression or selection method you use is to regress.
This means that you use a higher unit size with your progression and when you won 30% or 50% of the cost of the progression you can regress and operate with casino money. There is a strategy where you can turn a negative progression into positive using Up & Pull.
That is a very complex strategy and will probably the only way to allow you to stay longer in the game without losing your bankroll.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Jun 06, 02:04 PM 2018
There is a strategy where you can turn a negative progression into positive using Up & Pull.
I would appreciate if you can give us a quick explaination preferably with concrete example on this MM
thx
There is no reason for fear, now i've played 655 spins, and i've made +10 000. (5u bets).....all i wanted to say, was hitrate is THAT good that an agressive but SHORT progression can be used. Reason why i made the progression SHORT is incase of loss, you will be able to recover,.....you cannot always think in worst case scenarios, then all roulette would be impossible? but THIS *IS* possible. That's my experience/opinion, so far playing this one....
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 06, 03:01 PM 2018
There is no reason for fear, now i've played 655 spins, and i've made +10 000. (5u bets).....all i wanted to say, was hitrate is THAT good that an agressive but SHORT progression can be used. Reason why i made the progression SHORT is incase of loss, you will be able to recover,.....you cannot always think in worst case scenarios, then all roulette would be impossible? but THIS *IS* possible. That's my experience/opinion, so far playing this one....
Congrats for your great work!
Ignatus is the challenge man!
Hey Ignatus, i have an idea for you, i hope you like it.
I will give you a tip for a better money management ....
Money Management: Level 5
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LEVEL STAKE RESULT
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1 1 1 1 1 1 +/-5
2 2 2 2 2 2 +/-
3 3 3 3 3 3 +/-
4 4 4 4 4 4 +/-
5 5 5 5 5 5 +/-
Please test your strategy with this MM and report the results back.
cheers
In my opinion a long progression is the worst thing you can do playing any casino game.
All progression fail at some point sooner or later. You win for some hours or some days until you all your profit and bank roll comeback to the casino.
The best thing is use a max 3 step progression so you can recover easy.
If you use a long progression and lose its game over. You will never recover the lost money.
1, 2, 1
1, 2, 2
1, 1, 3
Is ok
Andre,
you had mentioned a progression you thought of in a previous Pattern Attack thread. Is it one of the 3 you just wrote?
stacking plan means money management method
cheers
@ignitus
Great system! A question.
When you lose the recovery progression, at one point you Will. What is the next step?
Quote from: Robbert on Jun 07, 03:10 AM 2018
@ignitus
Great system! A question.
When you lose the recovery progression, at one point you Will. What is the next step?
Thanks, yes? it depends on the risk you are willing to take? -there are two options here i guess (i'd think i stick with the first option) That is to
stay with the first recovery-progression, until, you recoverd. (Now, i don't recommend the second option here), but i've used it , and it has worked, That is to use a Second recovery progression; (higher risk!)
Original Progression 1 1 1 2 2 2 4 4 4
First recovery progression 2 2 2 4 4 4 8 8 8
(Second recovery progression 4 4 4 8 8 8 16 16 16).
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 06, 03:01 PM 2018
There is no reason for fear, now i've played 655 spins, and i've made +10 000. (5u bets).....all i wanted to say, was hitrate is THAT good that an agressive but SHORT progression can be used. Reason why i made the progression SHORT is incase of loss, you will be able to recover,.....you cannot always think in worst case scenarios, then all roulette would be impossible? but THIS *IS* possible. That's my experience/opinion, so far playing this one....
What unit size do you use?
Do play with real money or only testing?
If you play with real money do you play online or in a real casino?
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Jun 07, 03:52 AM 2018
What unit size do you use?
Do play with real money or only testing?
If you play with real money do you play online or in a real casino?
Cheers
Well, i use 5u bets on the MPR, now im +15000, (IG_Hotzone)..... i'd recommend playin with *lowest stakes possible* at the live table, Mr.Green has the lowest stakes on live-tables (i've seen?) 2SEK that is 0.23 USD (Now, don't know about the Euro or USD stakes at Mr. Green but swedish it's 2SEK on the live-tables there).
O0 8) ::) ^-^ >:D :ooh: :love: :thumbsup:
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 07, 05:39 AM 2018
O0 8) ::) ^-^ >:D :ooh: :love: :thumbsup:
Ignatus
How long is the session you playing without stop on Steve’s mpr ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 07, 06:32 AM 2018
Ignatus
How long is the session you playing without stop on Steve’s mpr ?
not long, sometimes 30-60 min :)
So Iggy, just to get it right, the 655 spins to make +10,000 units,
Did you play 111,222,444, if no W then
222, 444, 888 then if not at new high then reset bets with 222,444,888 etc until at new high then go back to
111, 222, 444
?
Quote from: daveylibra on Jun 07, 09:14 AM 2018
So Iggy, just to get it right, the 655 spins to make +10,000 units,
Did you play 111,222,444, if no W then
222, 444, 888 then if not at new high then reset bets with 222,444,888 etc until at new high then go back to
111, 222, 444
?
Yes, that's right. Although i played with the second recovery progression 1 time (but that is a risk i don't want to take!),
Cool! Now thats +2000units on 1 unit bets.
Good idea to stick with this and code it, if you are good at coding?
Meanwhile I am going to try to test it manually...
Great work!
This serms to be the most strong system here, it would be nice to automate it and see its long term performane
Ignitus, Many many thanks.
Started with a bankroll of 150 playing with 50 cents. Already over the 1000 euro and still going strong.
Quote from: Robbert on Jun 08, 01:19 PM 2018
Ignitus, Many many thanks.
Started with a bankroll of 150 playing with 50 cents. Already over the 1000 euro and still going strong.
Wow ! :ooh: congratz! :)
My Pennie Progression & Recovery
For RNG. :thumbsup:
Original Progression:
0.01 0.01 0.01 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.04 0.04 0.04
1e Recovery:
0.02 0.02 0.02 0.04 0.04 0.04 0.08 0.08 0.08
2e Recovery:
0.04 0.04 0.04 0.08 0.08 0.08 0.16 0.16 0.16
3e Recovery:
0.08 0.08 0.08 0.16 0.16 0.16 0.32 0.32 0.32
4e Recovery:
0.16 0.16 0.16 0.32 0.32 0.32 0.64 0.64 0.64
5e Recovery:
0.32 0.32 0.32 0.64 0.64 0.64 1.28 1.28 1.28
6e Recovery:
0.64 0.64 0.64 1.28 1.28 1.28 2.56 2.56 2.56
Works like a charm, never reached Recovery Level 3 up till now +853 so far, still testing. And remember i play on a RNG pennie table :xd:
Started with â,¬20 Now â,¬28,53
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 08, 02:16 PM 2018My Pennie Progression & Recovery
OK, thanks :) must just calculate the BR for this one, if played on live-tables, lowest is 2u (SEK) bet. hmm...
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 08, 02:21 PM 2018
OK, thanks :) must just calculate the BR for this one, if played on live-tables, lowest is 2u (SEK) bet. hmm...
My 6 level progression should be enough, because i never seen 8 numbers sleep for more then 60 spins. the most i've seen in the last few years, was 47 spins without a hit.
so for pennies, 6 would be save.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 08, 02:32 PM 2018My 6 level progression should be enough, because i never seen 8 numbers sleep for more then 60 spins. the most i've seen in the last few years, was 47 spins without a hit.
Yes, reason i dropped at the MPR, i lost the first recovery progression 2 times, then i tried a second recovery progression , but my bad luck continued, and i lost that one also 2 times, so my BR was depleted. (Now this was played with 5u bets)...some days are not winning days:S But i guess you're right, if you have the BR and go through the steps, you *SHOULD* recover. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 08, 02:21 PM 20180.64 0.64 0.64 1.28 1.28 1.28 2.56 2.56 2.56
You could even add a 8e level to it, what makes a total of 72 spins !
1.28 1.28 1.28 2.56 2.56 2.56 5.12 5.12 5.12
Don't know about you, but i've never seen 8 numbers sleep for 72 spins in my life.
on a pennie table even on RNG 72 spins is a save call. run tests, you'll see
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 08, 02:41 PM 2018
Yes, reason i dropped at the MPR, i lost the first recovery progression 2 times, then i tried a second recovery progression , but my bad luck continued, and i lost that one also 2 times, so my BR was depleted. (Now this was played with 5u bets)...some days are not winning days:S But i guess you're right, if you have the BR and go through the steps, you *SHOULD* recover. :thumbsup:
Yes i thought that would happen. like i said, i've seen 8 numbers sleep for 47 spins and this was not the worst ever recorded for 8 numbers. i thought it was just over 60 spins.
and what's wrong with pennies? nothing really. money is money. and if you play a few sessions a day with a target goal of let's say 1-2 euro that a 10 euro profit per day, 7 days aweek, 280 euro a month! not bad for some extra cash ain't it?
Greed is what kills all good systems. :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 08, 02:46 PM 2018i've seen 8 numbers sleep for 47 spins
Thanks, i guess, i'll stay with the same numbers in the progressionline now, i choose new numbers when the progressionline was lost.
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 08, 02:55 PM 2018
Thanks, i guess, i'll stay with the same numbers in the progressionline now, i choose new numbers when the progressionline was lost.
Better to stick with the same numbers all the time until in profit. Then bet the last 2 numbers (neighbours) again.
I'm only thinking, what's best for the recovery.
When the progressionline is lost and we go into recovery, do we stay in the recoveryline until we are in profit again, or do we reset?
furthermore, there is always danger around the corner >:D
Because of the fact that once we go into recovery the counter of 72 spins isn't there anymore. it starts at 1 again with each recoveryline 9 less changes to win. Remember that :thumbsup:
But a win in 40 spins wont help you if you dont get enough wins on the next spins...
anyway hope that the hitrate is that good that it wont matter
Quote from: 777 on Jun 08, 04:05 PM 2018
But a win in 40 spins wont help you if you dont get enough wins on the next spins...
anyway hope that the hitrate is that good that it wont matter
The hitrate is as good as any other 8 number bet selection. But that's what i mean. if you go into recovery, you won't have the max spins to your desposal. :thumbsup:
What if you just play until you lost the recovery bet phase, and call it a day. I think you Will be way ahead.
Jekbh, i saw in a post you play at Holland casino. Dutch?
Quote from: Robbert on Jun 09, 07:07 AM 2018
What if you just play until you lost the recovery bet phase, and call it a day. I think you Will be way ahead.
Jekbh, i saw in a post you play at Holland casino. Dutch?
Yes correct.
Still one of the best systems on the board, always seems to recover using the "111/222/444/222/444/888" progression Jekbh and ignatus recommended.
It gets drawn down occasionally, which is mentally fatiguing because testing it manually is a pain (the time between spins can be slow when setting up two new zones of bets by hand). Perfect for a hit and run scenario though, particularly for say 200-300u over 100 spins or so.
Wish we could see it automated, is it possible someone could RX it?
Thanks for it. What is now the best. After losing 1 progression for recovery change number or stick to it? :ooh:
Jekbh, what casino do u use to play with pennies?
Quote from: Robbert on Sep 15, 02:26 PM 2018
Jekbh, what casino do u use to play with pennies?
Some playtech software casinos have penny roulette, I know William Hill and Casion.com do.