Hi,
I would like to figure out how cht plays his baccarat system. He said some thing on this forum, but it is not all crystal clear to me. I opened this thread because he mentioned somewhere that he does not respond to a PM.
The basic can be found here:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg189585#msg189585
The 1st change is when do I start the game. I record the 1st 9 results to find out which holds the majority - Player or Banker. Eg. Player holds the majority I start the game when the 1st column of the 3 series starts with Player. Early Banker series is ignored. If the count is a tie, extend another series.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P Start game.
The 2nd change I make is I don't bet PB. I wait for one of the series pattern to appear that is immediately followed by the next series that is a repeat of an earlier series pattern.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P 1 Start game.
B P P 2
P P B 3
P B P 1repeat (column 2 and column 3 is different)
Comparing the last 2 series by column, column 2 and column 3 is different. When at least 2 out of 3 columns are different it signals a bet potential - trigger. I plan to bet against pattern 3 at the 3rd column, provided column 1 and 2 is same with pattern 3.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P T
P B P 1 (Start game)
B P P 2
P P B 3
P B P 1repeat
P P Column 1 and 2 is same as pattern 3, bet Player
P P P means win
P P B means lose
An advantage rolling based play method can be found here:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg192341#msg192341
Some more details to go along with the image:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg192420#msg192420
CHT, thanks again for sharing. I understand perfectly your post... but devil is in details.
Just a couple of more questions:
in your sample, I understand you aborted the signal in the first col as BBB,PPPP appeared.
but in the second row, why you didn't bet against PPB appering twice?
[b]According to my test, this bet is breakeven at best. So I don't risk this type of bet.
[/b]
you only circled the winning B.
[b]The circled B marks the start of my pattern count - I don't start at the beginning of the shoe. Read my earlier post how I run a process to determine when I start my pattern count.[/b]
I guess you look for a playable pattern one starting with P and one starting with B, am I right?
[b]In the 2nd column, row 10 BBP repeats - row4 BBP followed by P(opposite of B) in row 5 col 1 marks the perfect signal for betting. Virtual loss/win.[/b]
[b]In the 3rd column, row 4 BPP repeats - row1 BPP followed by P(opposite of B) in row 2 col 1 marks the perfect signal for betting. Virtual win.[/b]
and in the third row, I understand your first attack to BPP but don't understand what you tracked after that.
[b]Tracking BPP, PBB, PBP which may repeat.[/b]
One more on MM: you play this method with the prog 0-1-1. I guess this was based on your stats with a not so solid winnings at 1st attempt... ore there are any other reasons?
[b]That's the reason. No point winning to give them back later. Play with 6-8 units br.[/b]
I also found two other recent rules:
12 units bankroll
4 times flatbet stop on win
So how do we put this all together?
He said he bets 4 times and stops on a win? But in his basic example he only bets 1 time and in his rolling example it also different.
Anybody knows more? I would like to code this into something usefull but the rules are not clear for me at the moment.
I am very interested about the method , but i have some difficulties to understand the explanations ...:'(
Can you recommend a way to find out more? And how should I prepare for these basic knowledge?
If you guys are looking for a "system" to play baccarat, forget it!
There is no system... There are STRATEGIES and money management.
The only way to win is to bet that a rare event will not happen.
Ex: BPP BPP BPP bet PBB
The variance in Bacarrat is lower than Roulette s variance. And no Zero (the main reason you can't beat Roulette long term).
MM and progression is a personal choice.
Imho
I will post the full system this weekend.
Looking forward :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Jun 11, 02:05 PM 2018
I will post the full system this weekend.
Thank you so much ;)
Quote from: cht on Jun 11, 02:05 PM 2018
I will post the full system this weekend.
Looking forward to it CHT.
I will give the full system in a few posts below. The explanation will include some general rules about the baccarat game itself.
Here is how I play baccarat at the electronic table games 8deck burn card super six baccarat shoe in a b&m casino.
The reason why I play with etg baccarat is because the signals to bet are few but accurate. So I need to scan a large number of shoes for the signals.
There are 2 main types of baccarat with 2 variations.
1. Normal commission 5% baccarat with no burn card - 70+ hands per shoe
2. Normal commission 5% baccarat with burn card - 60+ hands per shoe
3. No commission(Super six) baccarat with no burn card - 70+ hands per shoe
4. No commission(Super six) baccarat with burn card - 60+ hands per shoe
Those are the 4 types of baccarat where there are a differences in the rules of whether to pull the 3rd card or not.
***Burn card means the 1st card in each hand is discarded followed by the actual cards pulled for the hand. No burn card means that no cards is discarded in each hand.
The speed of each hand for etg baccarat is 1minute per hand. So for a burn card baccarat it will take about 60hands x 1 min = 60mins(1hr) per shoe.
For etg baccarat machine there could be multiple shoes for each machine. For this method which requires manual translation of the base data onto paper, the ideal is to monitor 2 shoes at 1 sitting. This will give the scanning rate at 2 shoes per 1 hr of play.
So for a daily 5 hrs play will give 5hrs x 2 shoes = 10 shoes per day.
I play with a partner together will give a max 20 shoes per day.
***It is important to note the type of baccarat I play that I did extensive research on the shoes before actual money betting. If you use this system make sure you understand the differences, if any, and even if they are the same exact baccarat type do test extensively before you make real money bets.
Disclaimer - Gambling is inherently risky and you may lose money.
The basics is that the baccarat result is reorganised into series of 3, example
P P P B T B P B T P B P B P P P P B B B P B B B
The above data reorganised 3 series data will look like this
P P P
B T B
P B T
P B P
B P P
P P B
B B P
B B B
There are 8 sets of different series -
P P P
P P B
P B P
P B B
B B B
B B P
B P B
B P P
For the complete translation of data and to increase the number of signals, the original data has to be translated into 3 rolling sets of 3 series data. Example
P P P B T B P B T P B P B P P P P B B B P B B B
1st 2nd 3rd
P P P P P B P B T
B T B T B P B P B
P B T B T P T P B
P B P B P B P B P
B P P P P P P P P
P P B P B B B B B
B B P B P B P B B
B B B B B B
This translation process has to be done with pen and paper provided by the casino. The hands are played at 1 min rate which entails you to update this 3 sets of 3 rolling series for the 2 shoes that you play per sitting. The time window of 1 min is short that means you are required to practice to acquire the skill of translation and scan for signals to bet at the same time. This translation process is continuous for the entire shoe which runs continuously for 5hrs of play of 10 shoes per player. This requires concentration and focus without making mistakes.
The 1st segment, we determine the start play for the shoe.
Example(Include tie)
P P P B T B P B T P B P B P P P P B B B P B B B
9 data
P P P
B T B
P B T
4P, 3B gives a majority P
This means the series will start when the 1st result of the series starts with P. Earlier series that starts with B is ignored.
Example(Include tie)
P P P B T B P B B P P B
9 data
P P P
B T B
P B B
4P, 4B gives no majority.
Where there is no majority for 9 data we extend another 3 data
Example(Include tie)
P P P B T B P B B P B B
12 data
P P P
B T B
P B B
P B B
5P, 6B gives majority B.
This means the series will start when the 1st result of the series starts with B. Earlier series that starts with P is ignored.
(I will continue the rest of the translation process and signals to bet tomorrow)
There is the starter determination 3 series segment followed by the 3 rolling series segment.
Example
P P P B T B P B T P B P B P P P P B B B P B B B
Starter determination(include tie)
9 data
P P P
B T B
P B T
4P, 3B gives a majority P
This means the series will start when the 1st result of the series starts with P. Earlier series that starts with B is ignored.
3 rolling sets of 3 series(exclude tie)
1st 2nd 3rd
P B P B P B P B P
B P P P P P P P P
P P B P B B B B B
B B P B P B P B B
B B B B B B
In the 1st rolling set, the 1st hand of the 1st series is P. This means the 1st rolling set starts on the 1st series.
In the 2nd rolling set, the 1st hand of the 2nd series is P. This means the 2nd rolling set starts on the 2nd series. The 1st series is ignored.
In the 3rd rolling set, the 1st hand of the 2nd series is P. This means the 3rd rolling set starts on the 2nd series. The 1st series is ignored.
This is the complete translation process from the original data done real time updated for each hand with pen & paper.
This image is a real shoe I played showing the 3 rolling sets of 3 series(minus the starter determination data that I do separately which gives a B that I circled in the image to mark the start of the 3 series proper.).
B P B P P P B P P B B B P P P B P P B P B B P B P B P P B B P B P P
The signal to bet. (Reference to the Pcht image above)
There are 8 sets of different series -
1. P P P
2. P P B
3. P B P
4. P B B
5. B B B
6. B B P
7. B P B
8. B P P
The idea is to bet against a series type when it repeats.
Example
B P P we bet P B B.
In the 1st set, there is a repeat of P P P(denoted by 2R), the 2nd set, there is a repeat of P P B(denoted by 2R) and B B P(denoted by 1R), and the 3rd set, there is a repeat of B P P(denoted by 1R), P B P(2R), P B P(2R).
We bet the next series of 3 hands that the hands will not give the same exact series. Stop at a win or complete loss of 3 hands.
***There are rules as to when we ignore the bet signal that I detail below.
Rules to accept or reject the signal. (Reference to the Pcht image above)
1. We do not bet B B B or P P P signals.
2. When a B B B is followed by a B B B or P P P vv, we ignore the entire set.
3a. Example P P B repeats(2R) in the 2nd set. When P P B appears for the 1st time in the 5th row, it must be followed by a opposite B in the 1st hand of the next series. Else this repeat signal is ignored.
Example B B P repeats(1R) in the 2nd set. When B B P appears for the 1st time in the 4th row, it must be followed by a opposite P in the 1st hand of the next series. This repeat signal is valid.
Example B P P repeats(1R) in the 3rd set. When B P P appears for the 1st time in the 1st row, it must be followed by a opposite P in the 1st hand of the next series. This repeat signal is valid.
3b. Example(not in Pcht image) P P B repeats. When P P B appears for the 1st time, it must not be followed by a opposite B B B in the next series vv. This repeat signal is ignored.
Rules 3a and 3b are important rules to validate the signals.
4. For the 5th set series, the repeat signal is valid only from the 3rd series onward after it appears for the 1st time.
5. We stop the entire tracking when the 6th series appears for the set(denoted by the * Pcht image).
6a. The max number of valid signals per rolling set is 2.
6a. The max number of valid signals per shoe is 3.
In my research test - the 1st hand has a slight edge of 55% winrate, the 2nd hand of 70% winrate and the 3rd hand 60% winrate.
The recommended bet for the 3 series is virtual loss/bet 1unit/bet 1unit for a risk of 2units. Stop at a win.
Daily buy-in bankroll 6-8units. Profit target usually set at max 10 bet games per day - review after 12 shoes or 3hrs(midday).
2 sessions per day - 3hrs/2hrs.
End of system.
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Error
3 rolling sets of 3 series(exclude tie)
1st 2nd 3rd
P B P B P B P B P
B P P P P P P P P
P P B P B B B B B
B B P B P B P B B
B B B B B B
In the 1st rolling set, the 1st hand of the 1st series is P. This means the 1st rolling set starts on the 1st series.
In the 2nd rolling set, the 1st hand of the 2nd series is P. This means the 2nd rolling set starts on the 2nd series. The 1st series is ignored.
In the 3rd rolling set, the 1st hand of the 1st series is P. This means the 3rd rolling set starts on the 1st series.
(Admin/moderator, can you pls make the correction. TQ)
General comments.
This method is suitable for b&m punters who is risk adverse, patient and discipline to wait for the best signals at the same time there are enough signals for each day of play to make it practically viable.
This will also require the punter to bet large amount per unit, say $100 per unit minimum - I bet a lot higher.
The punter must be prepared for boring, mundane translation job which require focus and concentration that may result in no bet signals.
There is no fun element at all. Do this purely for the money if you are up to it.
There is one other method that is FX technical analysis as in the image below. I won't go into that system.
(link:s://imgur.com/e73IBWj)
Thanks CHT for your system, it has taken me a few days to get my head around it and have a couple of questions.
When a column does not qualify eg: PBP is the first trigger and the first decision on the next row is P. Do you disregard that column and just play the other 2 columns or look for another pattern to qualify?
Once you have played the 3 triggers in each column do you reset and count the first 9 to get a B or P majority?
What do you mean by?
4. For the 5th set series, the repeat signal is valid only from the 3rd series onward after it appears for the 1st time.
Quote from: valvo on Jun 18, 11:09 PM 2018
Thanks CHT for your system, it has taken me a few days to get my head around it and have a couple of questions.
When a column does not qualify eg: PBP is the first trigger and the first decision on the next row is P. Do you disregard that column and just play the other 2 columns or look for another pattern to qualify?
If you mean "the 1st decision on the next row is P" refers to when PBP 1st appears then this PBP signal is not valid by the rules. We continue to look for other 3series to qualify.
If you mean "the 1st decision on the next row is P" refers to the next row after the repeat PBP appears then this this is a virtual loss which we follow up to bet the remainder 2 hands, stop at a win.
Once you have played the 3 triggers in each column do you reset and count the first 9 to get a B or P majority?
You do this segment once to determine B or P majority at the start of the shoe that remains applicable throughout the shoe.
Quote from: valvo on Jun 19, 12:05 AM 2018
What do you mean by?
4. For the 5th set series, the repeat signal is valid only from the 3rd series onward after it appears for the 1st time.
Example1 -
1st PPB
2nd PBB
3rd BPP
4th BBP
5th PBP
BPP repeat 3rd(not valid due to rule 3a)
PBP repeat 5th(not valid due to rule 4)
Example2 -
1st PPB
2nd PBB
3rd BPP
4th BBP
5th PBP
BPP repeat 3rd(not valid due to rule 3a)
PPB repeat 1st(not valid due to rule 3a)
PBP repeat 5th(valid for rule 4 - the repeat signal is valid only from the 3rd series onward after it appears for the 1st time.)
Thank you so much CHT I now understand all the rules and will get into testing.
May I ask what was your thought process behind the triggers and how did you come up with them?
What can I expect in play and how often will I lose the 8 units buy in?
Lastly you mention "There is one other method that is FX technical analysis as in the image below. I won't go into that system" ?
Thanks
Val
Quote from: valvo on Jun 19, 05:45 PM 2018
Thank you so much CHT I now understand all the rules and will get into testing.
May I ask what was your thought process behind the triggers and how did you come up with them?
JL Pattern Breaker is the original format. However, I haven't found PB to be a winner. Andre Chass Pattern Attack is not a loser but it is not good enough for me.
I punt large bet size so I wanted a risk averse method yet at the same gives enough signals for viable application.
What can I expect in play and how often will I lose the 8 units buy in?
You need patience, discipline, focus with the translation process. It's mundane and boring, there's no fun doing this.
Yes, you can lose this 8units buy-in bankroll, it's not the HG. There are good days and bad days. On good days both my partner and I have winning sessions. On average days, my partner or I have bad session but the other have good session to even things out in the 1st session of play followed by both good sessions in the 2nd. Well, there are bad days too when it's bad for both of us. We mostly stop after the 1st session when that happens. So we have yet to lose the entire br. The trick is know when to hold and when to fold.
Lastly you mention "There is one other method that is FX technical analysis as in the image below. I won't go into that system" ?
When I joined this forum a year ago, I mentioned this method which requires the use of the program in your cellphone. This means this use roulette computer has to be legal and allowed in the jurisdiction that you play.
To me, after having explored roulette visual ballistic and system play, this method is superior by a mile. It is based on math made visual, precise and complete in real time math info of the variables distribution. I expect this will be the frontier technology for the punter when such aid is legal and allowed in the future. I posted a sample image if you are interested.
The reason why I won't go any further with this other than point others to the immense potential is it's about proprietary ideas adapted from forex trading itself which is a no go territory.
Thanks
Val
Those percentages of 60 and 70% on the second and third bet respectively is over how long a play or how many decisions?
Quote from: valvo on Jun 19, 10:17 PM 2018
Those percentages of 60 and 70% on the second and third bet respectively is over how long a play or how many decisions?
The numbers I quoted were derived from test with data collated at the b&m casino I play, it is a large enough sample size. You have to conduct similar extensive test to determine if such numbers hold up for you where you play. This is the difficult part.
I'll do that and let you know. Cheers
Quote from: valvo on Jun 19, 10:29 PM 2018
I'll do that and let you know. Cheers
That's great ! :thumbsup:
Pls indicate the type of baccarat that you play as per my 1st post. TQ
I hope others interested will do the same that we get feedback from much wider test.
Will do
hello guy. Sorry for my poor English. I have to use google to communicate. Can someone write help me a tracker for this system. I will pay via paypal for you. thank you
QuoteThe reason why I won't go any further with this other than point others to the immense potential is it's about proprietary ideas adapted from forex trading itself which is a no go territory.
The difference between Forex and Baccarat is that Baccarat is an a priori game. Forex isn't.
In Baccarat the next result is totally independent of previous results. There is no way to get an edge making patterns of three or any other type of pattern.
The only way to limit your losses is bet on Banker hand which had a slightly lower house edge.
CHT - I want to share something - but I don't know if it helps or improve anything.
Allow me to explain in short terms.
You use the odds 1 in 8 clustering patterns into groups of three.
That is eight combinations.
I can do the same thing with the odds 1 in 9 clustering patterns into groups of three.
That is nine combinations.
The question is that if you increase the probability into your favor using the odds one in nine rather then one in eight.
Let me know if you are interested - then I can write about it.
Cheers
I see that SENTINEL is posting a variation of his PATTERN BREAKER on gambling forums.com under another alias. I coded PATTERN BREAKER some time ago and showed it didn't work. Look for: "FIVE one system to rule them all..." :xd:
Hi Ego,
I'm interested in your version too and would like more understanding of this way of play.
Thanks in advance
Hi Joe,
How do you play 5 and 1.
Thank you