In geometry we can use logic to prove something. For example, we can prove the diagram below is a square,
(link:s://:.tourismportdouglas.com.au/ca/images/help-with-writing-proofs-in-geometry.png)
In roulette we can also use logic and common sense as well to prove that something won't work. For example Turbo's system. (Hot numbers aren't really anyone's system for what it's worth.)
1.In the random game there are 38 pockets
2.The same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next.
3.Therefore the odds of winning do not change from one spin to the next, regardless of what has hit before.
4.Consequently the expectation is that a past hot number will hit just as frequently as a past cold number 1/38
5.The payoff is only 35 to 1 which means the house edge is retained at each spin. 5.26%
(link:://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VLOm4_559UI/TL7wqx9XF7I/AAAAAAAABe4/XetoXVg4bao/s1600/mybrainisfull.jpg)
I wish everyone could follow the logic, unfortunately many people here are mentally challenged, and are still determined to prove that a square is not a square. ::)
-The General
Sigh....repeaters fall within the math, not outside of it. Odds are always 1/38 for a double zero and 1/37 for a single zero wheel. Odds do not change, repeaters fall within the odds. A square can still have a bunch of squares in it.
Quote from: The General on Jun 21, 02:48 PM 2018unfortunately many people here are mentally challenged
You really are a piece of work Caleb.
Its laughable.....no...its fuckin priceless
Quote from: The General on Jun 21, 02:48 PM 2018
In geometry we can use logic to prove something. For example, we can prove the diagram below is a square,
(link:s://:.tourismportdouglas.com.au/ca/images/help-with-writing-proofs-in-geometry.png)
In roulette we can also use logic and common sense as well to prove that something won't work. For example Turbo's system. (Hot numbers aren't really anyone's system for what it's worth.)
1.In the random game there are 38 pockets
2.The same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next.
3.Therefore the odds of winning do not change from one spin to the next, regardless of what has hit before.
4.Consequently the expectation is that a past hot number will hit just as frequently as a past cold number 1/38
5.The payoff is only 35 to 1 which means the house edge is retained at each spin. 5.26%
(link:://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VLOm4_559UI/TL7wqx9XF7I/AAAAAAAABe4/XetoXVg4bao/s1600/mybrainisfull.jpg)
I wish everyone could follow the logic, unfortunately many people here are mentally challenged, and are still determined to prove that a square is not a square. ::)
-The General
👏👏👏 Bravo!
Some systems actually are better than other systems.
If you're playing on a LIVE REAL wheel. Then playing on hot numbers is a great idea. The idea being that if the wheel is somehow biased, then you're more likely to be on the best numbers.
However, playing hot numbers on an RNG or random wheel is a waste of time.
It's like trying to play wheel sectors on an RNG.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 21, 03:03 PM 2018
You really are a piece of work Caleb.
Its laughable.....no...its fuckin priceless
(link:s://i.imgflip.com/cirxf.jpg)
I thought that it was kinder than saying that some people are dumber than a box of rocks.
Steve, Turner,
I really should be able to thank my own posts. I keep trying to thank myself, but it won't let me do it. :twisted:
Quote from: The General on Jun 21, 03:11 PM 2018I thought that it was kinder than saying that some people are dumber than a box of rocks
Well...its obvious you are well versed in gathering a respecting audience
Andre liked it LMAO
Quote from: The General on Jun 21, 03:03 PM 2018Common sense should tell you to somehow attack the function of the RNG and it's seed.
OK...so here is a Chi square chart for 50K random numbers between 0 and 36
How would you exploit this with your common sense?
from my standpoint, I am drawn to the bottom comment which suggests that 3 cycles isnt enough, because the apparent biases are not biases, but due to coincidence.
These coincidences are what we call hot numbers, or better still,
hot numbers are the coincidences which cause repeats. In a cycle of 37 spins, every number has the same chance to come out. So, for all the numbers to come out i.e 37 in 37 spins, this would need unthinkable probabilities. Probabilities that are negligible.
So when a number repeats in 37, its because every number has an equal chance to show. Thats why 19, or 4, or 33 can show 2 or 3 times, even 4 or 5.
When 19, or 4 or 33 shows more than once, its due to binomial distribution. Some call it the law of the 3rd.
This will happen every time in +/- deviations. A deviation of SD3 may be something like 20 hit and 17 dont. its much rarer than 24/13 because that is the mean.
This happens. This is reality.
The big point here is that the actual #19 came out more than once in 37, and 4 and 33 also did was a coincidence.
You can exploit these coincidences. If you play in a way that captures at least some of these coincidences you have a good system.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/06/21/temp_662493.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/2TRHa)
Quote from: The General on Jun 21, 02:48 PM 2018In geometry we can use logic to prove something.
Wrong. "we" use math in geometry, not logic.
Can you solve this Mr. "this is a square logic" ?
What is the vertical asymptote of the graph of y=log5(xâˆ'7) ?
Oh wait, that's geometry too but it's complex and you don't understand it and you
can't solve it because it's beyond what you know. (now run to google and pretend to know the answer).
Maybe things are more complex than your "square" and yet are contained in the
exact same subject. Being ignorant about something doesn't mean everyone else is.
Quote from: The General on Jun 21, 02:48 PM 2018I wish everyone could follow the logic, unfortunately many people here are mentally challenged
Insulting people smarter than you by calling them mentally challenged just makes you look even more ignorant than you already make yourself out to be.
Why not stick with wobbling wheels ? That's your bread and butter - system players
really shouldn't concern you at all. Stick with what you know - when you venture out of that you just insult yourself.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 21, 03:06 PM 2018👏👏👏 Bravo!
I think I can say that you are very close to being the biggest ass kisser I have ever seen.
There's a few ahead of you that I know but you're gaining ground quickly.
It's pathetic and sad. Too bad there isn't a bot that auto-posts so you can set it that
anytime Steve or General post it will auto-post for you "That's RIGHT !!!!"
You are a scammer and a kiss ass - not good at either. Why not post something
of value to the members here ? It's not hard to do. You clearly won't get popular
by kissing ass or by scamming, you're 0-2.
Quote from: The General on Jun 21, 03:11 PM 2018I really should be able to thank my own posts. I keep trying to thank myself, but it won't let me do it.
That's a shame, you only have 1 "like" more than I do - just 1.
How is that ?
How can it be ?
You : 841 days, 1,070 posts, 1.272 posts per day average, 80 likes
Me: 1,259 days, 792 posts, 0.6 posts per day and 79 likes.
For someone who posts so much more than I do (1.272 per day wow)
why don't you have more "likes" ?
It's because there's no reason for anyone to like what you say - you don't help
anyone, you insult others who don't deserve it and offer nothing to the forum.
How is that for logic.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 07:31 PM 2018How is that for logic.
LOL....you "squared" that off nicely
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 07:20 PM 2018Wrong. "we" use math in geometry, not logic
They're expressions of the same thing. It's like saying science vs religion, when actually they're no different.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 07:20 PM 2018Insulting people smarter than you by calling them mentally challenged
It may not be the best choice of words, but some people really are not very intelligent, and fail to understand even simple concepts.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 21, 07:45 PM 2018They're expressions of the same thing. It's like saying science vs religion, when actually they're no different.
It is not the same thing. There is no logic needed in geometry, it's completely math.
But I know - sometimes my analogies are a stretch as well. No need to defend him when he's wrong because agreeing with him is more important than when I tell the truth.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 21, 07:45 PM 2018It may not be the best choice of words, but some people really are not very intelligent, and fail to understand even simple concepts.
Fortunately I have first hand experience with this. As I said before my autistic son (who Tony loves to crack jokes about ever since I mentioned it) is considered challenged.
It's difficult for him to write his own name. However he is exceptionally intelligent in other areas well beyond most people that I've met. Strange how that works. It doesn't really matter if someone isn't the most intelligent person when it comes to math or random - they can still have approaches that might be something a more intelligent person would simply have skipped over.
Also - according to your comment - "you" are the one defining who is intelligent and who isn't. That would somehow mean you are the judge of someone being intelligent or not - which is exactly what General loves to do with his comments.
I'm sorry to say - there is no validity whatsoever that either of you are in a position to
judge others when it comes to intelligence - and neither am I that judge.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 08:00 PM 2018It is not the same thing. There is no logic needed in geometry, it's completely math.
The logic is the math, and vice versa.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 08:00 PM 2018No need to defend him when he's wrong because agreeing with him is more important than when I tell the truth.
Im not defending him or anyone, just explaining the truth.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 08:00 PM 2018As I said before my autistic son (who Tony loves to crack jokes about ever since I mentioned it) is considered challenged.
By now you understand why I say Tony is a disrespectful & vile little boy. Unfortunately he's nothing compared to some other people.
Also we arent talking about autistic. That's not an intelligence issue. That's more a social thing. I was referring to people who literally are just not that intelligent.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 08:00 PM 2018they can still have approaches that might be something a more intelligent person would simply have skipped over.
I acknowledge that. But some things are black and white too, like contradictions in your logic which Im not explaining again.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 08:00 PM 2018Also - according to your comment - "you" are the one defining who is intelligent and who isn't.
It's like understanding basic math. Some people understand it, some dont. I'm not talking calculus. I'm talking basic arithmetic and statistics. And some people don't understand simple reasoning and logic. At what point do I call something what it is?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 08:00 PM 2018That would somehow mean you are the judge of someone being intelligent or not - which is exactly what General loves to do with his comments.
General understands it too. But its really, really simple stuff. It's not like we sit on our thrones and point at who we deem to be mentally challenged. It is a matter of some people arent understanding really basic stuff despite it being pounded in their face.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 08:00 PM 2018I'm sorry to say - there is no validity whatsoever that either of you are in a position to judge others when it comes to intelligence - and neither am I that judge.
You say that, but at some level you would observe someone else's understanding and behavior, and realistically assume, without bias, that the person is not particularly intelligent.
On some level, I'm the slow one too. I'm not claiming to be all superior. At some point, we need to be realistic and say it how it is.
Turbo if you are going to include all this swords crossing with experts in your book i am so not fucking buying it...
just to let you know :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: maestro on Jun 21, 09:00 PM 2018
Turbo if you are going to include all this swords crossing with experts in your book i am so not f****** buying it...
just to let you know :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
That's a great idea. Fill it with deluded lack of logic from ONLY inexperienced players. You always had great suggestions maestro. :thumbsup:
QuoteThat's a great idea. Fill it with deluded lack of logic from ONLY inexperienced players. You always had great suggestions maestro.
funny enough but in life there are 25% where logic goes silent
Who wants some new age roulette book if anyone can win it would take less than a page.ans that's all anyone cares about how many times does one want to hear " just summon ur will have self control and look into statistical anomalys .then stare into the dealers mind like a Phoenix" I could go on..and call it a book gambling is a mugs game lol unless ur good
Quote from: Steve on Jun 21, 09:10 PM 2018That's a great idea. Fill it with deluded lack of logic from ONLY inexperienced players. You always had great suggestions maestro.
I actually wanted you to write the forward Steve - I wasn't kidding.
Why not begin the book that's purpose is to teach and show others how to win with the opposite side of the coin that says it's impossible ?
I think it's a great idea. Just keep it basic - like "The house payout is less than any location appearing" and "There are always the same number of pockets on the wheel no matter what has happened", etc etc - a few paragraphs.
So far it's been a great experience working on it -
Proving that the "Gambler's Fallacy" is actually a fallacy itself is good.
Also explaining patterns and how to exploit them.
I still have a ways to go. It would be interesting to make a thread about what specific topics people find most interesting to cover, but that thread would just turn into nonsense I'm sure. I'm pretty sure I'll have all the bases covered.
One.more thing when its referenced here " tg system" its referring to a statistical anomaly within 37 spins that occurs enough to capitalize regarding betting what's already hit"???
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 09:45 PM 2018....that thread would just turn into nonsense I'm sure.
Then you can count on me to contribute. ;D
Pretty clear steve is not a math guy. I go so far to speculate he did not do A-level math at high school. He is good at words and his writings is his worded opinion. Zero math offered.
If steve disagree, post a link here just one math posted on this forum. Prove it. Or write a post of roulette math below. Ofc not the cut and paste from wizardsofodds.
General is also not a math guy. His math is cut and paste from wizardofodss, he told us that himself. Ofc he can't offer us any more than that. The difference with him and steve is he articulates his arguments much less persuasive than steve. Steve is the champ, no one on any forum come close to his standard. And I definitely learnt a lot from his art of persuasive writing.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 21, 07:15 PM 2018
OK...so here is a Chi square chart for 50K random numbers between 0 and 36
How would you exploit this with your common sense?
from my standpoint, I am drawn to the bottom comment which suggests that 3 cycles isnt enough, because the apparent biases are not biases, but due to coincidence.
These coincidences are what we call hot numbers, or better still, hot numbers are the coincidences which cause repeats.
In a cycle of 37 spins, every number has the same chance to come out. So, for all the numbers to come out i.e 37 in 37 spins, this would need unthinkable probabilities. Probabilities that are negligible.
So when a number repeats in 37, its because every number has an equal chance to show. Thats why 19, or 4, or 33 can show 2 or 3 times, even 4 or 5.
When 19, or 4 or 33 shows more than once, its due to binomial distribution. Some call it the law of the 3rd.
Good that you point this out.
This will happen every time in +/- deviations. A deviation of SD3 may be something like 20 hit and 17 dont. its much rarer than 24/13 because that is the mean.
This happens. This is reality.
The big point here is that the actual #19 came out more than once in 37, and 4 and 33 also did was a coincidence.
You can exploit these coincidences. If you play in a way that captures at least some of these coincidences you have a good system..
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/06/21/temp_662493.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/2TRHa)
That is the fundamental basis how math based systems play are designed.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 08:00 PM 2018
It is not the same thing. There is no logic needed in geometry, it's completely math.
But I know - sometimes my analogies are a stretch as well. No need to defend him when he's wrong because agreeing with him is more important than when I tell the truth.
Fortunately I have first hand experience with this. As I said before my autistic son (who Tony loves to crack jokes about ever since I mentioned it) is considered challenged.
It's difficult for him to write his own name. However he is exceptionally intelligent in other areas well beyond most people that I've met. Strange how that works. It doesn't really matter if someone isn't the most intelligent person when it comes to math or random - they can still have approaches that might be something a more intelligent person would simply have skipped over.
Also - according to your comment - "you" are the one defining who is intelligent and who isn't. That would somehow mean you are the judge of someone being intelligent or not - which is exactly what General loves to do with his comments.
I'm sorry to say - there is no validity whatsoever that either of you are in a position to
judge others when it comes to intelligence - and neither am I that judge.
This explains for why the math professors usually do not make good traders in the financial field.
The financial trader's proficiency relies on the application of math where the
design of the math model carries the most important emphasis - it may come from the least math acquainted guy.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 21, 07:15 PM 2018These coincidences are what we call hot numbers, or better still, hot numbers are the coincidences which cause repeats.
In a cycle of 37 spins, every number has the same chance to come out. So, for all the numbers to come out i.e 37 in 37 spins, this would need unthinkable probabilities. Probabilities that are negligible.
The general keeps saying it's common sense and that we are dumb not to see that hot numbers don't work, but there is no contradiction between believing they can and the fact that the probability is 1/37 and fixed because the number of pockets don't change. Every number could come out according to its expectation in the long term but still it may be better to bet on numbers which are currently trending. These trending numbers will cool off and other previously cold numbers will become hot, so it's not as though you need a biased wheel in order to exploit the phenomenon.
We can also use math to make better bets. If probability tells me that, on average, one number will repeat at least 9 times before the coldest number shows...I can use this.
There are some predictable aspects to random such as extreme variance in the short term. The key is to identify and play for this to happen. Also, I like to bet no more than 5 numbers top...sometimes as low as 3.
Just a heads up.....before you ask Caleb (The General) any questions, make sure there is a good response in Google.
If you cant find an answer in google or WIKI, he probably wont reply.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 22, 06:36 AM 2018
Just a heads up.....before you ask Caleb (The General) any questions, make sure there is a good response in Google.
If you cant find an answer in google or WIKI, he probably wont reply.
Brilliant
QuoteThis explains for why the math professors usually do not make good traders in the financial field.
The financial trader's proficiency relies on the application of math where the design of the math model carries the most important emphasis - it may come from the least math acquainted guy.
Wow that's one of the most absurd statements that I've read recently.
I know of a few C++ guys that are mathematicians that are making a fortune in the markets. Some trade currency on the commercial side and others run very sophisticated trading bots. In order to trade at that level you need to be very well educated in math.
Then on the more well known sides we have Dr. Thorp, and had Dr. Claude Shannon.
Do you just make this stuff up so that you can feel better about yourself not having an education? Is that how that works? ::)
Quote from: Steve on Jun 21, 09:10 PM 2018
That's a great idea. Fill it with deluded lack of logic from ONLY inexperienced players. You always had great suggestions maestro. :thumbsup:
Steve,
You seem thoroughly invested in the trials and tribulations of TG for whatever reason. But, if he really had something concrete, he would've played MPR. Or just ignore this site altogether. Why would he even bother with the standing offer of 100k. I just can't fathom that.
As I said, you are clearly an intelligent person. And as BlueJay stated (on his 30k offer): I'll probably never know if an hg exists because why would anyone with a clear mind disclose their hg for only that much when they can earn that in a short time span. That applies to your offer as well and I'm sure you see the practical point in this.
Among the folks on here, this logic doesn't register with them because they don't have anything that would resemble an hg. So they don't know the value of it. Bluejay is nothing if not a practical and level headed person for that alone.
I know its practical value. It's at the very least millions upon millions (100's even) of dollars in how much one can accrue over varying time. Yet, I'm perplexed why you still waste your precious time on Turbo, and whomever, and ignore what's in front of you.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 09:45 PM 2018
I actually wanted you to write the forward Steve - I wasn't kidding.
Why not begin the book that's purpose is to teach and show others how to win with the opposite side of the coin that says it's impossible ?
I think it's a great idea. Just keep it basic - like "The house payout is less than any location appearing" and "There are always the same number of pockets on the wheel no matter what has happened", etc etc - a few paragraphs.
So far it's been a great experience working on it -
Proving that the "Gambler's Fallacy" is actually a fallacy itself is good.
Also explaining patterns and how to exploit them.
I still have a ways to go. It would be interesting to make a thread about what specific topics people find most interesting to cover, but that thread would just turn into nonsense I'm sure. I'm pretty sure I'll have all the bases covered.
Let me get this straight. You want to write a book that says that all of the experts are wrong, and that the gambler's fallacy is a fallacy? ::)
So what are you going to write for proof in your book? Are you going to show the math that proves that your right?
You know..that two is greater than one, and three is greater than two? Are you going to tell them that you win because the wheel is random and that math beats a math game? You know those arguments should convince mathematicians and experts everywhere to wake up and rewrite history! :twisted:
(link:s://study.com/cimages/multimages/16/proof_1.png)
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Quote from: CoderjoeThe general keeps saying it's common sense and that we are dumb not to see that hot numbers don't work, but there is no contradiction between believing they can and the fact that the probability is 1/37 and fixed because the number of pockets don't change. Every number could come out according to its expectation in the long term but still it may be better to bet on numbers which are currently trending. These trending numbers will cool off and other previously cold numbers will become hot, so it's not as though you need a biased wheel in order to exploit the phenomenon.
Coder,
(On the single zero wheel) If the wheel is random, then why would the long term expectation be something different than 1/37? If the wheel is random, then why should a hot number be any more likely to hit, once you begin betting on it than a cold number?
You have NO way of knowing whether a number will remain hot or become cold once you begin betting on it! Can you see the logic problem that you're having here???
You know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV. Do you guys know why? I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 03:08 PM 2018
You know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV. Do you guys know why? I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.
That's interesting because I did a tour of the UK recently enjoying the warm weather and practically every casino I went into had one of these Interblock 00 wheels. They have sprung up from nowhere.
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 03:08 PM 2018
You know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV. Do you guys know why? I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.
On a table with two zeros, the house edge is 5.26%. That’s one of the highest house advantages in the casino.
On a triple zero roulette table, the house edge jumps up to 7.69%.
Within 10 years, it will be All over the world! Goodbye systems.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 22, 03:22 PM 2018
On a table with two zeros, the house edge is 5.26%. That’s one of the highest house advantages in the casino.
On a triple zero roulette table, the house edge jumps up to 7.69%.
Within 10 years, it will be All over the world! Goodbye systems.
numbers always will repeat and that is fact. I say hello to TG :thumbsup: :smile:
Quote from: IVO on Jun 22, 03:42 PM 2018
numbers always will repeat and that is fact. I say hello to TG :thumbsup: :smile:
Obviously some numbers will repeat. (Nobody here is retarded), well I dont think so) The problem is which numbers and when they will repeat.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 22, 04:05 PM 2018
Obviously some numbers will repeat. (Nobody here is retarded), well I dont think so) The problem is which numbers and when they will repeat.
You don't Have to be 100% Right, only a few hits is enough :thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 22, 04:05 PM 2018
Obviously some numbers will repeat. (Nobody here is retarded), well I dont think so) The problem is which numbers and when they will repeat.
I believe you're valuing of the hg is quite improper or you most likely don't have anything concrete either. I'd say the latter. Just being real here.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 22, 04:16 PM 2018
You don't Have to be 100% Right, only a few hits is enough :thumbsup:
That's called "betting on hot numbers and chasing your losses using a progression"
That's not original about the strategy.
If you pick up some random numbers and bet them the result will be the same. Try do it.
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 03:08 PM 2018You know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV. Do you guys know why? I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.
When basing your play on hot numbers, there can be a 000 wheel, a 0000 wheel or a 00000 wheel "General". It doesn't matter how many there are. I say they might as well put in another street 37,38,39 and make the payout 37:1 (I'm kidding)
The bigger the house edge, the longer it would take me to win the same amount - that would be the only drawback.
Now if they made the game so that it was no longer random, I'd have to start from scratch which I have no intention of doing.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 22, 04:31 PM 2018If you pick up some random numbers and bet them the result will be the same. Try do it.
Yes, that's how you have a "control group" vs a working method - when you chart the control group long term, you lose to the house edge due to the math. When you use a working method, the chart climbs and never approaches the house edge.
(Kind of like my R.Sim chart. Do you think if I just picked "any random numbers" my chart would look like it does ? No, it would be negative)
Putting a system up against "just pick any numbers" will show pretty quickly what has merit and what doesn't.
Like thinking... "I want to sell my worthless system to people"
So pick 20 people randomly on the street and ask them to buy it. They all say no.
Then pick 20 people on a forum and try it - one might bite but not in your case.
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 02:32 PM 2018
Wow that's one of the most absurd statements that I've read recently.
I know of a few C++ guys that are mathematicians that are making a fortune in the markets. Some trade currency on the commercial side and others run very sophisticated trading bots. In order to trade at that level you need to be very well educated in math.
Then on the more well known sides we have Dr. Thorp, and had Dr. Claude Shannon.
Do you just make this stuff up so that you can feel better about yourself not having an education? Is that how that works? ::)
You are widely read. Everything you wrote comes from what you read, mostly from google and wiki.
You have zero experience in the finance industry. Let me repeat that - you have
ZERO experience in the finance industry. Now sit down.
Keep your bluffs to roulette. Even that you do badly - it's still all google and wiki from you.
Too bad your writing is not as persuasive as steve.
I am a qualified chartered accountant in the investment banking sector- compliance for 3decades. now a retiree and a full-time trader mostly with bots in options and futures market.
Ps. Don't reply. No more post about this.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 22, 04:05 PM 2018Obviously some numbers will repeat. (Nobody here is retarded), well I dont think so) The problem is which numbers and when they will repeat.
The ones that become hot as your playing.
This chart is flat betting. Aggressive progression would have netted thousands.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/06/22/temp_705017.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/2TkPx)
Quote from: cht on Jun 22, 10:41 PM 2018
You are widely read. Everything you wrote comes from what you read, mostly from google and wiki.
You have zero experience in the finance industry. Let me repeat that - you have ZERO experience in the finance industry. Now sit down.
Keep your bluffs to roulette. Even that you do badly - it's still all google and wiki from you.
Too bad your writing is not as persuasive as steve.
I am a qualified chartered accountant in the investment banking sector- compliance for 3decades. now a retiree and a full-time trader mostly with bots in options and futures market.
Ps. Don't reply. No more post about this.
Sorry CHT,
But I just don't believe you. Regardless, best of luck. You're going to need it. ;)
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 03:08 PM 2018
Coder,
(On the single zero wheel) If the wheel is random, then why would the long term expectation be something different than 1/37? If the wheel is random, then why should a hot number be any more likely to hit, once you begin betting on it than a cold number? You have NO way of knowing whether a number will remain hot or become cold once you begin betting on it! Can you see the logic problem that you're having here???
General,
I'm not having the logic problem, you are. I said there's no
contradiction in each number hitting 1/37 in the long run and the possibility of picking numbers higher than expectation in the short run. Where is the maths that says this isn't possible? The maths only talks about the long run (the law of large numbers). You're correct to say there's no way of knowing that a number will remain hot once we begin betting on it, but we only have to be able to choose correctly a little more often than we're wrong in order to make a profit.
I like to bet on hot numbers when I play, and it "seems" to work better than betting on cold or random numbers. However I'm quite happy to admit that I'm wrong about this. I've never done any proper testing using statistical methods but I'm about to do this and will publish my findings on the forum. You're quite welcome to say "I told you so" if the results show no benefit at all. Even if that's the case I'll probably go on using systems and doing research because it's fun.
And IMO saying the outcomes are "random" is just a convenient cop-out. Of course if "random" means unpredictable it seems absurd to attempt to predict the outcomes, because then we're trying to "predict the unpredictable", which is nonsense. But "random" also has different characteristics and distributions depending on what you're looking at and these characteristics are not identical for the short and long run.
QuoteYou know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV. Do you guys know why? I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.
Yes of course I know why. You presume that we're all innumerate on this forum just because we use systems, but it's not the case. I have studied statistics at degree level and have done further courses online. In fact I'm sure I'm more knowledgeable about the subject than you are. ;)
Quote 1, You're correct to say there's no way of knowing that a number will remain hot once we begin betting on it, but we only have to be able to choose correctly a little more often than we're wrong in order to make a profit.
2. And IMO saying the outcomes are "random" is just a convenient cop-out. Of course if "random" means unpredictable it seems absurd to attempt to predict the outcomes, because then we're trying to "predict the unpredictable", which is nonsense. But "random" also has different characteristics and distributions depending on what you're looking at and these characteristics are not identical for the short and long run.
Paragraph two seems to be contradicting paragraph one. Regarding paragraph one. If the game is random then you can't predict better than what probability predicts in the long run. You also can't predict worse than probability would predict. If there's 38 pockets on the wheel, then the best you can hope for, regardless of how hard you try is 1/38. If there's 37 pockets on your wheel, then it's of course 1/37. (Yes, in the long run. And yes, in the short run variance (luck) will create fluctuations.
Random is random. Claiming that you can predict random is a kind of oxymoron.
QuoteYes of course I know why. You presume that we're all innumerate on this forum just because we use systems, but it's not the case. I have studied statistics at degree level and have done further courses online. In fact I'm sure I'm more knowledgeable about the subject than you are. ;)
Cough, cough. If you say so. ;) However, your posts create a different impression.
Quote from: The General on Jun 23, 04:17 AM 2018Random is random. Claiming that you can predict random is a kind of oxymoron.
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I agree, didn't I just say that in my last post? But I reject your definition of random. I don't believe that any event is random in the sense that it's 100% unpredictable and always will be. It would be illogical, I agree, to work on systems if I believed that outcomes are random according to your definition, but I don't, so I'm not being illogical. To me, "random" just means that we haven't yet figured out or found the right patterns or causes. There is nothing which is
inherently random; random is a function of our ignorance.
QuoteI agree, didn't I just say that in my last post? But I reject your definition of random. I don't believe that any event is random in the sense that it's 100% unpredictable and always will be. It would be illogical, I agree, to work on systems if I believed that outcomes are random according to your definition, but I don't, so I'm not being illogical. To me, "random" just means that we haven't yet figured out or found the right patterns or causes. There is nothing which is inherently random; random is a function of our ignorance.
nice one
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jun 23, 04:51 AM 2018
I agree, didn't I just say that in my last post? But I reject your definition of random. I don't believe that any event is random in the sense that it's 100% unpredictable and always will be. It would be illogical, I agree, to work on systems if I believed that outcomes are random according to your definition, but I don't, so I'm not being illogical. To me, "random" just means that we haven't yet figured out or found the right patterns or causes. There is nothing which is inherently random; random is a function of our ignorance.
Quote from: maestro on Jun 23, 05:31 AM 2018
nice one
I'll 2nd that Maestro :thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Jun 22, 06:36 AM 2018Just a heads up.....before you ask Caleb (The General) any questions, make sure there is a good response in Google.
If you cant find an answer in google or WIKI, he probably wont reply.
lol
I really cant see how any system betting can beat the house edge.
Turbo, i know you dont want to reveal your system. But can you at least tell us 1. how many % edge does your system has? Edge is defined (bp-(1-p))
2. Is it a theoretical mathematical edge or is it an experimental edge(aka calculated based on actual spins)?
3. If it is experimental edge, what sample size?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 09:08 AM 2018
lol
Isn't the one and only tenet of a hg require that flat bet overcomes the odds? Do you even play live roulette?
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 11:43 AM 2018Isn't the one and only tenet of a hg require that flat bet overcomes the odds?
No, there is nothing that states a "HG" has to win flat betting.
Is it possible to flat bet and win ? Yes.
You have to predict future spins better than what's expected (see Steve, we agree)
This isn't as complicated and impossible as you've been told.
I've given the steps to do this.
There is nothing that states the HG has to win flat betting
Also there in nothing that states a HG exists
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 12:23 PM 2018
You have to predict future spins better than what's expected
Stop with this BS!
You're contradicting yourself all the time. His whole theory is ridiculous and absurd. You're becoming a laughing stock.
You say past numbers do not matter. But for a number to be considered hot it has to hit. Then it will be in the past. How will you know if it's a hot number if it has not hit yet?
Either you use a crystal ball or you travel in a time machine?
You need look for help.
Quote from: D.Karas on Jun 23, 12:34 PM 2018Also there in nothing that states a HG exists
Fortunately true.
The moment there is proof that animal exists in the public view - it's over.
The game would be altered to prevent it being exploited.
So you can say "There is no holy grail because the game still exists".
Which means - no one has been stupid enough to post the details and math yet.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 23, 12:42 PM 2018Either you use a crystal ball or you travel in a time machine?
Why do I need a time machine ? I can see the future as clearly as you can.
I predict you will have dinner tonight and go to bed. See, I'll be right.
That doesn't make me a time traveler - it makes me smart enough to know the typical
human routine. Random has limits, it is predictable. Not with 100% accuracy and it doesn't have to be.
Instead of wishing me to get help, spend that brain power reading what I've written.
Or don't. Stick with selling things that don't work.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 12:53 PM 2018
Why do I need a time machine ? I can see the future as clearly as you can.
I predict you will have dinner tonight and go to bed. See, I'll be right.
Lol... But it's not a random event. Your saying the obvious. You're hilarious...
Please, tell me how can you sayit's a hot number if it's has not hit yet?
How can you play hot numbers if you say past spins/numbers don't matter?
Just a plain explanation, please.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 12:23 PM 2018
No, there is nothing that states a "HG" has to win flat betting.
Is it possible to flat bet and win ? Yes.
You have to predict future spins better than what's expected (see Steve, we agree)
This isn't as complicated and impossible as you've been told.
I've given the steps to do this.
Again, do you even play live roulette or is armchair qb your thing?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 12:50 PM 2018
Fortunately true.
The moment there is proof that animal exists in the public view - it's over.
The game would be altered to prevent it being exploited.
So you can say "There is no holy grail because the game still exists".
Which means - no one has been stupid enough to post the details and math yet.
Yeah of course. Which begs the question, why are you here?
Please don't post the same question in multiple threads, it's annoying to the readers.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 01:28 PM 2018
Please don't post the same question in multiple threads, it's annoying to the readers.
Dude, why are you here amongst the common people?
And again...
Again...
Please, tell me how can you say it's a hot number if it's has not hit yet?
How can you play hot numbers if you say past spins/numbers don't matter?
Just a plain explanation, please.
Some magic? Sixth sense? Lol
You are spamming the forum now with the same post in multiple threads.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 01:28 PM 2018
Please don't post the same question in multiple threads, it's annoying to the readers.
I'm just asking you a simple explanation.
But you can't do it
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 23, 01:51 PM 2018I'm just asking you a simple explanation.
But you can't do it
"Can't" vs "Won't" - learn the difference. Or read some, it's all been posted.
OK guys.
Please be nice to each other. Don't push. Ask questions and argue nicely. Don't try to "catch" anyone on anything. These discussions are not a Gestapo interrogation. Don't call names. Thank you all.
Quote from: iggiv on Jun 23, 03:20 PM 2018
OK guys.
Please be nice to each other. Don't push. Ask questions and argue nicely. Don't try to "catch" anyone on anything. These discussions are not a Gestapo interrogation. Don't call names. Thank you all.
Well Iggiv,
It's going to be tough. I don't have the usual tools. You know, hammers, prods, battery cables, waterboard...but I'll try.
Quote from: iggiv on Jun 23, 03:20 PM 2018
OK guys.
Please be nice to each other. Don't push. Ask questions and argue nicely. Don't try to "catch" anyone on anything. These discussions are not a Gestapo interrogation. Don't call names. Thank you all.
Ok iggiv, I'll try to be nice!
But the question remains
Turbo
Please, tell me how can you say it's a hot number if it's has not hit yet?
How can you play hot numbers if you say past spins/numbers don't matter?
Just a plain explanation, please.
Time machine? Sixth sense? Black magic?
Turbo already made this clear.... he doesn't use past spins at all. Instead he uses hot numbers BEFORE they become hot. You know, 2 is after 1, 3 is after 2 and so on. This isn't past numbers at all ::)
Time traveling robot!
Talkshow!
Quote from: The General on Jun 24, 11:42 PM 2018Time traveling robot!
Time travels forward without the need for a robot or machine.
The spins that you win on aren't past spins, so no need to travel back to them.
You're clearly ignorant or trolling.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 07:13 AM 2018The spins that you win on aren't past spins, so no need to travel back to them.
The problem is "hot numbers" are the past. That's what you're betting on. And once they are hot, or cold, the odds of them winning again anytime soon have not changed. You'll be right about some, and wrong about some. But your accuracy is still no better than random.
You are suggesting that you play a session and your bets are made as the cycle unfolds. That's still betting on past spins.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 07:47 PM 2018But your accuracy is still no better than random.
Yes it actually is better than random.
Never betting on a number that never shows means I never lost a unit on it, and I can never lose to the house edge.
Lets say "randomly" I sit down and say "I'm playing #20"
300 spins later it shows up and I'm in the hole now.
Another player sat down with me and he says "I'm not playing #20 until it shows".
299 spins later, he's lost nothing.
I'm using the word "potential" a lot in my book - because it's probably one
of the most important things to learn.
Any number that hasn't appeared is potentially a long term sleeper.
Why would anyone bet on it ?
The opposite is true as well, and that's where the profit comes from.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 07:47 PM 2018You'll be right about some, and wrong about some
Exactly right !!
The ones I am right about - and there will always be a few, will outweigh the
ones I am wrong about. That's why a progression works where in most cases it
doesn't.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 09:46 PM 2018Never betting on a number that never shows means I never lost a unit on it, and I can never lose to the house edge.
True that if you dont bet, you can't lose. But thing is you make bets on other numbers, with random accuracy.
You are getting back into the nonsense about 24 numbers in 37 spins. You dont know those 24 numbers before they spin. Your logic is 2 is after 1, 3 is after 2, etc. Your other logic is you bet on hot numbers before they are hot. But you are still relying on past spins to give clues.
Again you are just going to give vague and inaccurate nonsense. And to prove your claims you use places like parx where lots of people regularly do better than you.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 09:46 PM 2018Any number that hasn't appeared is potentially a long term sleeper.
And you're forgetting any number that HAS hit, even 3 times consecutively, is a potential long-term sleeper.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 09:46 PM 2018Any number that hasn't appeared is potentially a long term sleeper. Why would anyone bet on it ?
It's no different to a hot number. You are saying it makes no sense to bet on cold numbers. Its the same case for cold numbers and hot numbers.... which is neither is more likely to spin again anytime soon.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 09:59 PM 2018
And you're forgetting any number that HAS hit, even 3 times consecutively, is a potential long-term sleeper.
It's no different to a hot number. You are saying it makes no sense to bet on cold numbers. Its the same case for cold numbers and hot numbers.... which is neither is more likely to spin again anytime soon.
SPOT ON! 2nd Dozen repeat below: all overtaken by a sleeper..
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3 1 1 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
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1 1 2 2 2
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1 1 2 2 2
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1 1 3 2 2 3 3
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3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 2
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
2 1 1 3 3 3
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