The newbies of this forum are too often saying they want to keep something secret, not share it, or go to PM
That’s not how a forum operates. No one actually cares, if that’s how you are then don’t post, simple.
Share or leave. That’s how it should be. It is not productive. This isn’t me begging you to share with me, because I do not care, it’s just annoying to read
Between the constant Steve and Caleb tag team on turbo, flat earth, and the “new crew†not sharing anything, this forum is back peddling. It’s going extinct
Wise up people
(Andre, want to share your bacc method so bad? Goto the bet selection baccarat forum, DUH)
Half the stuff here is hard to read now
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You're right Rich!
That's all I have to say
RG, this has been going on for years. You think your lil' post will change everything?
Andre is also a noob, year ago he was playing the star system and romanosky with his last life savings to change his life, or have I mistaken?
Posting 1000+ msgs doesn't make you a roulette guru or baccarat in t(his) case.
Things head south temporarily when the annual guru shows up leaving a trail of breadcrumbs, that lead nowhere.
Some people see through the bullshit, and understand the bad logic and problems. Some don't understand. The two sides argue.
It's temporary, until enough people see through the guru's bullshit. Then we can get back to betting on cold numbers, or something similarly useless.
Besides I already posted turbo's system. I know its his system.
It appears to be ignored, then later others posted what they thought was turbos system, and it turns out they're correct (besides minor details).
Strange how other people who support turbo said "that wont work". I'll just mostly sit back and watch it unfold.
I think the truth is, nothing really works. This is the best thing that can be shared....that there is nothing to share.
No there are methods that really work. We already know AP works, but some people dont like it. So look at another way that might work. I gave my suggestions, with have nothing to do with traditional AP or computers, in the "outside the box" area.
If I was a normal member here looking for ways to win, and didnt like AP, that's where I'd be.
Does it make sense to start with something NEW, or the same old crap that everyone should know has been tested exhaustively and proven to fail?
Really some members are like toddlers just learning to walk, not understanding how early they are in the learning process - yet professing to have solved the puzzle. Anyway I was there too once. Each learns at their own rate.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 06:43 PM 2018Really some members are like toddlers just learning to walk, not understanding how early they are in the learning process - yet professing to have solved the puzzle.
lol
Funny analogy
How fortunate for them, you are the one to teach them how to walk ?
Computers and Bias wheels will get them on their feet for sure !
Just sign here..... and then GET UP AND WALK ! poof.
Toddlers aren't able to be very covert though, they always tell secrets.
I can picture one drooling and pointing to their hidden device at the table
and saying "someone told me to wear this and I would WIN"
Nevermind, it was funny when I thought it lol
Turbo,
Pay attention to what Falkor posts. You could learn something.
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 07:04 PM 2018Turbo,
Pay attention to what Falkor posts. You could learn something.
Nope, I've already learned everything about what doesn't work and "how not to win".
That's when I found what does work.
I'm the expert here....if I wanted to hear people type in bold and bright red letters that what I'm doing is impossible, I would be wasting my own time.
About as silly as me trying to "teach" you about exploiting bias wheels. You would find that absurd and nonsense and rightfully so - it's the same with Falkor and me, but no need to agree.
I understand that anyone who says it's impossible is on your team, I wouldn't have picked the people on your team anyway - they refuse to understand what's possible and what isn't. The "experts" told them otherwise already, closed minded and unable to be taught a thing.
I say we work so that both teams win - you win your way, we'll win ours.
Why is it a competition ? Ahhh. Because I can win on any wheel, any table and any RNG - I don't need to be covert, I don't need a device, and I don't need a wheel malfunction to win.
So I'll be the enemy, I'm ok with that. Blast away.
Sorry to post this again, but I really like how and what he's written here.
These fairy tale topics do not help progress any new understandings and serve selfish agendas instead with circular conversations about hot numbers. So the problem is not how to beat Roulette - but how to avoid false prophets/clowns along the way.-Falkor
Everything you've suggested has already been tested meticulously and in great detail. Even the dozens example covers everything you mention at a microcosm. -Falkor.
Falkor ain't dumB!
Turbo it has nothing to do with ourway vs yours. TRY to understand. Its about fact vs fiction. You are the one who keeps bringing up our methods. They are irrelevant in this discussion.
If everyone just focused on testing, you'd be laughed off forums.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 07:51 PM 2018
Turbo it has nothing to do with ourway vs yours. TRY to understand. Its about fact vs fiction. You are the one who keeps bringing up our methods. They are irrelevant in this discussion.
If everyone just focused on testing, you'd be laughed off forums.
Yes, you can test hot numbers, cold numbers whatever.
Carry on enjoy yourself.
If you are smart, don't waste your time. It won't work. Don't we all know that.
You can't be testing how Turbo plays when he has not revealed his method. How silly is that.
Quote from: cht on Jul 03, 08:23 PM 2018You can't be testing how Turbo plays when he has not revealed his method. How silly is that.
He claims to know it - but if he knew it, he would have no choice other than to back up what I say... which leaves us with... he doesn't know it.
Quote from: cht on Jul 03, 08:23 PM 2018You can't be testing how Turbo plays when he has not revealed his method. How silly is that.
Oh but he has revealed it. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Falkor I said that circular conversations about betting hot numbers is not helping us progress since it's been sufficiently demonstrated that we are barking up the wrong tree here. So by all means try to beat the game, but don't get too stuck listening to story-tellers who peddle hot numbers. Hotties is not the answer I'm afraid. It's done and dusted. I've already shown you a systematic demolition of hotties. Accept it and move on to another concept.
Falkor has already tested and analyzed Turbo's system, and found that it wasn't good enough to overcome the house edge.
Ive disagreed with falkors logic on other matters. But in this case i agree with him. If you've made up your mind with falkor based on other matters, and dismiss his proof in this matter, then you're judging the person instead of the information.
Focus on the information. In this case, falkor has better logic and reason than turbo.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 06:43 PM 2018We already know AP works, but some people don't like it.
I pointed to that many time ago, with suggestions to think, who they are. If you are a normal player, where is logic to deny, that works physic or mathematics?
Where is logic to fight against sun rise? I suggested for one guy to test his result with making chi square test, answer - "your chi-square test is bulshit! "
Mine !! :)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 03, 07:28 PM 2018That's when I found what does work. Because I can win on any wheel, any table and any RNG - I don't need to be covert, I don't need a device, and I don't need a wheel malfunction to win.
Look - you are so smart in game, why not try to play on mine wheel on skype translation? All is very easy and simple - you can beat any wheel, so you will easily beat also mine. You do that and I confirm, that you that done with some numbers - for example, which chance, that your result is random.
A boring slugfest. OP of this thread is so right. Big egoes and little crumbs. Lot of people breaking forum rules and admin and moderator do nothing about it. May be they would like more traffic to the website. Rules are nice and set the guidelines
5. Do not inhibit free expression of ideas / criticisms. Everyone should feel free to speak their mind without fear of being attacked or ridiculed.
Is Turbo being attacked for free expression of ideas and expressing what he has found and successfully demonstrated in multiple simulation sites? Is he being ridiculed by getting called a sociopath. Why is he always someone who has to prove something, while the so called "WE" the experts say the same old story of expectation is 1 in 37. Do we all have such big egos that we fail to understand people have free minds and they can always be led and misled.
9. No "baiting", which is where you brag about how great your system is, but you don't share anything except perhaps obscure details that lead people along. The forum is a place for open sharing. If you "bait" people, expect to be banned.
Is Turbo baiting if no one knows what his system is? Are his details obscure? Why is he not banned if he is not ready to expose more than obscure details of his system apart from some random examples like races and horses but still brag how great he is and his system is?
Let us please stop this madness. As if this is going to be heard.
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Jul 04, 03:24 AM 2018I pointed to that many time ago, with suggestions to think, who they are. If you are a normal player, where is logic to deny, that works physic or mathematics?
Where is logic to fight against sun rise? I suggested for one guy to test his result with making chi square test, answer - "your chi-square test is bulshit! "
Mine !! :)
Some people take it personally when told they're wrong. They put pride before truth, then block out logic. The ignorance harms themselves most because they don't learn and grow.
We are all wrong at some stage. It takes more balls to admit mistakes than to deny ever being wrong. The only useful pride in this case is to be proud of having bails to admit being wrong.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018Is Turbo baiting
Yes he is. But as admin i need to know when rules need adjusting for particular members and situations. In this case i haven't banned him because, in some people's eyes, it would give credibility to his claims, because they believe im trying to censor any hg. Of course its rubbish, but I've allowed the charade to continue to give members time to see everything for what it is. The balance of free speech and deciding when enough bs is enough is delicate.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018Let us please stop this madness. As if this is going to be heard
Its not so simple. What happens if harmful and misleading bs is left unchallenged? It does more harm. Its only natural the are two sides of the argument. What if I'm incorrect about turbo? I need to consider it a possibility too. But the problem here is members against turbo give logic, math and examples. All turbo gives is vague information, he clearly avoids important matters, makes contradictions, and some of claims are really absurd without logic. And the whole thing goes in circles. Turbo has no ammunition for his arguments. The best he has is results on clearly unrealistic games with play money, there the are lots of other winners too. The related math is clear, not opinion. But he really holds onto it and denies it. Why not acknowledge it? Why fight so hard?
There's much more, but basically i try to maintain a fair balance as admin, but without bias i can say all information is overwhelming stacked against turbo, and i believe he has just wasted everyone's time.
At this stage im relying on at least the majority of members to wake up for themselves. Remember if i just ban him, some really dumb people will think I'm threatened by him. The important part is it will end up misleading more people. It happened before when i banned another self professed guru. They started their own forum, just for the disciples. It's a dead forum as the disciples learned better, but it took longer for them to learn, because nobody with logic was around to beat sense into them.
And to make it clear, if i only cared about a busy forum I'd shut my mouth and let ignorant discussion run rampant. I much prefer a less busy forum thats not full of shit. So as any experienced member, i say it how it is. It pisses some people off, and some leave, but too bad. Truth is truth. Besides, members with backbone are more productive and it makes a better forum. Again it comes back to balance with free speech, but knowing when to draw the line.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 06:08 AM 2018Some people take it personally when told they're wrong. They put pride before truth, then block out logic. The ignorance harms themselves most because they don't learn and grow.
Yes, all that fighting, denying say physical, or mathematical laws are done simply because peoples are angry and mostly they are angry on himself. They see, or know, or at least heard, that others win, but they cant, because, not learned something in right time and now - understand, that maybe are too late.
I met relatively many peoples from forums. Naturally, I tried met peoples who talk in forums that they are winners....but pitty, practical things show different.....
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018s he being ridiculed by getting called a sociopath
In fairness...Turbo called it himself first and Ed isnt complaining. I am sure he relishes the challenge.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018Is Turbo baiting if no one knows what his system is?
who says they dont?
I cant ban Steve because he wont let me. I did ask nicely.
I cant ban General because he would cry so much to Steve that he would reverse it just to shut him up
I cant ban Turbo because he is far too good looking, and used to have a dashing mustache :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018Is Turbo being attacked for free expression of ideas and expressing what he has found and successfully demonstrated in multiple simulation sites?
Not exactly. You need to read my summary. i don't think you understand what's happening.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018Is he being ridiculed by getting called a sociopath.
He said himself he has this condition.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018Why is he always someone who has to prove something
Again you don't understand. He is the one who offered to prove he has the hg. He appeared to enjoy the attention. Thereis not exactly a demand for proof. He provided his own information and we rightfully responded.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018while the so called "WE" the experts say the same old story of expectation is 1 in 37.
Ok so you don't actually understand what's being said, and think we have the problem. Maybe try and understand it better.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018Do we all have such big egos that we fail to understand people have free minds and they can always be led and misled.
It's certainly not about ego for me. It's about productivity and truth.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 04, 06:53 AM 2018I cant ban Steve because he wont let me. I did ask nicely.
Im sorry the forum software doesn't let me ban me either. I didn't design and code this thing. It has flaws.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 04, 06:53 AM 2018I cant ban General because he would cry so much to Steve that he would reverse it just to shut him up
He's one of the few that understand roulette. Unpopular, but solid understanding.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 04, 06:53 AM 2018I cant ban Turbo because he is far too good looking, and used to have a dashing mustache
Looks like a 70's porn star to me. Not that it matters. 80% of the net is porn.
Sure, I dont understand. Let me ask turbo here and if what he says is genuine he will accept this. It is no different from doing endless simulations and topping the leaderboard.
I open an online account in the online casino of his choice and deposit a 500$. Let us see those pretty graphs. No one to track what he is playing, no one to track what is happening. A genuine opportunity to show what is possible if his intention is real. He can put whatever condition to Steve to eat his words and stop this slugfest for once and all. Is he manning up to take this up or running with tails between his legs? Nothing to lose for Steve except swallowing up his own words and nothing to lose for turbo if his intention is real.
I very well know what is going to be the outcome. Opportunity will not be accepted and there will be a reason as well.
Actually whether he accepts or not doesn't prove much. Most systems can at least double bankroll in the short term, then die.
If you see how the mpr leaderboard starts after reset, almost everyone was winning thousands. But eventually the house edge ate up almost everyone. Thats what happens with progression. Great at the start, then reality hits.
A proper test is automated testing over statistically significant amount of spins, with realistic conditions. But how to show that without revealing the system is the question. Ultimately though if he hasthe hg, he should just go win millions instead of dicking around with play money to try and convince strangers in the internet that he literally never loses and has the hg, don't you think?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 07:21 AM 2018Actually whether he accepts or not doesn't prove much. Most systems can at least double bankroll in the short term, then die.
Are you worried now Steve? There is a big "can" there. Statistically significant need not be in millions and not even in 10 thousands. Somewhere turbo posted a graph which was growing steadily. As long as something is growing steadily without deep pockets and as much sample games to withhold the risk and establish that steady growth, we have a proof.
You will have to start somewhere. If he can make that 500$ to 10,000$ without making it vanish, then i dont need another proof. And you can have a go at another 500$ and try make it 10,000$ using one of those "Most" systems to disprove him that it is not enough. Being fair to both sides of the argument is important to understand that there is an argument and not just pushing ones views over the other.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:32 AM 2018Are you worried now Steve?
I am completely crapping my pants. Sweating bullets. I don't know what to do.
ill show you rx system that easily increases bankroll 10x and eventually tanks.. i doubt anyone else has ever seen such a system.
Nevertheless, make your offerwith turbo, but have someone neutral verify the results. And use only an account name and casino you publish before starting :thumbsup:
I'll be very impressed if he turns $3000 into $1m like with his play money.
But you're forgetting turbo prefers spending time to win play money. Real money doesn't interest him.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 07:42 AM 2018but have someone neutral verify the results
I am the neutral person here. As I said, I dont want 3000 to become 1 million. Please dont rub it in like players do before boxing. There is no need for any flake arguments here like play money, this is not worth, i can easily do this sleep etc. Put your money where your mouth is and prove it if you can.
I am just asking 500 to become 10000. And i dont need an rx code, i need you to prove that you can make 500 to 10000 as well if your intention to really make the world not believe in scammers. Both of your reputation is at stake and I would really welcome and encourage you both to come into common terms here as i clearly said nothign to lose, only everything to gain for both of you.
Will wait till Turbo wakes up.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:54 AM 2018I am just asking 500 to become 10000
I hear the interest rates are low. Try a loan.
Don't you think if turbo could make that money repeatedly that he wouldn't bother wasting time with play money in unrealistic games?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:54 AM 2018I am the neutral person here.
You don't appear to be. Nevertheless, someone mutually known and trusted would be best to provide verification, don't you agree?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:54 AM 2018i need you to prove that you can make 500 to 10000 as well
Ive done roughly 50 public demos, probably more. Thats live spins, including on wheels im playing against for the first time ever. I've even done live webcam demos. If you are unaware, I'll post details of the next demo here. You'll see details like predicting where the ball hits the rotor. Really it's rather clear proof. Do the math with the results
I do group demos, but won't waste time to prove anything to you separately. If you dont believe my claims, i don't particularly care.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:54 AM 2018Both of your reputation is at stake
I concede. He wins. Im ruined.
Tin, I'm not interested. Anyone can attend phblic demos for proof of my claims. If you want to challenge turbo thats up to you.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 08:20 AM 2018
Don't you think if turbo could make that money repeatedly that he wouldn't bother wasting time with play money in unrealistic games?
Nice banter. As I said am not interested in opinions and thoughts, am interested in facts. You cannot fight assumptions with assumptions and claims. You will have to fight facts with facts. Why are you so scared Steve. Are you scared to admit Turbo will win and you have been misleading people. I am with you man! Prove or disprove or agree that all the talk that you have been doing has been meaningless and You dont have any intention to make people not believe in scammersyour only intention is to block HGs.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 08:20 AM 2018
You don't appear to be. Nevertheless, someone mutually known and trusted would be best to provide verification, don't you agree?
Give suggestions of names. I am not precious about who is validating. I am more precious about putting an end to this mindless slugfest, one way or the other. I am tired of reading posts that are littered with puzzles and replied with irrelevant mathematic facts. I am not giving this up like you dont give up on your efforts to stop scammers.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 08:20 AM 2018
Ive done roughly 50 public demos, probably more. Thats live spins, including on wheels im playing against for the first time ever. I've even done live webcam demos. If you are unaware, I'll post details of the next demo here. You'll see details like predicting where the ball hits the rotor. Really it's rather clear proof. Do the math with the results
This is what is called answering a question that has not been asked. The question was simple you have an rx code that makes 10x, then turn my 500 into 10000. If you cant, dont claim you can. Dont answer with irrelevant answers to my questions.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 08:20 AM 2018
I do group demos, but won't waste time to prove anything to you separately. If you dont believe my claims, i don't particularly care.
The forum is your group. You dont have to prove anything to me separately. It is you who claimed that you can turn 10x using your rx code, I didnt. So please prove to the group by turning my deposit of 500 into 10000.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 08:20 AM 2018
I concede. He wins. Im ruined.
If you really mean it, dont ever reply to the bullshit that turbo posts and claim he is wrong. I am not going to give up the challenge and will wait for turbo to answer, as i dont believe his claims and I believe he bullshits.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018Nice banter.
Thats not banter. Its a serious question.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018As I said am not interested in opinions and thoughts, am interested in facts
Then read back what turbo said, read the counter arguments, and do verification yourself.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018Why are you so scared Steve
I don't like the dark.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018Are you scared to admit Turbo will win and you have been misleading people
Not even remotely. I'd proudly admit being wrong, if there were anything to substantiate that. But so far all the facts point the other way. And you really dont understand. It has nothing to do with "winning".
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018Prove or disprove
Already did. Read back.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018your only intention is to block HGs.
And every other professional, who shares my views, wants the same. Its a conspiracy.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018I am more precious about putting an end to this mindless slugfest, one way or the other.
Then put your thinking cap on and understand what is being said, and verify it for yourself.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018I am tired of reading posts that are littered with puzzles and replied with irrelevant mathematic facts.
Math it's only irrelevant when it's incorrect.
And if it's difficult for you, click the X at the top right. You don't need to read it.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018The question was simple you have an rx code that makes 10x, then turn my 500 into 10000. If you cant, dont claim you can. Dont answer with irrelevant answers to my questions.
Ah ok. Yes i have that. They come with the rx software by default. I have better systems though, but they have the same eventual fate.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018So please prove to the group by turning my deposit of 500 into 10000.
I don't want to make money for you. I don't need to prove what anyone with rx here already knows.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:33 AM 2018dont believe his claims and I believe he bullshits.
Then what on earth are you crapping on about?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 09:08 AM 2018I don't need to prove what anyone with rx here already knows.
I have rx and I can’t code a system that will make me 10x in the first attempt and then ranks. Can anyone apart from Steve show me a system that makes 10x in the first attempt. Steve, if at least one comes up with such a system I will shut my mouth.
All am crapping about is to put an end to this. Let someone be given an opportunity to prOve in a neutral forum through empirical results and the other side get an opportunity to prove their disclaims in a similar way. If you are really open minded and what you say is what you believe then you would accept the challenge and so would turbo.
You both have been going extremes to prove your points and this should be a simple exercise which will save lot of unnecessary posting times that you both seem to enjoy spending on.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 09:26 AM 2018I have rx and I can’t code a system that will make me 10x in the first attempt and then ranks
Here you go, first attempt with dozens cycle. Just random system I chose:
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Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 09:26 AM 2018Steve, if at least one comes up with such a system I will shut my mouth.
I doubt it.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 09:26 AM 2018All am crapping about is to put an end to this.
For anyone who reads everything and understands it, it's pretty darn conclusive.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 09:26 AM 2018Let someone be given an opportunity to prOve in a neutral forum through empirical results and the other side get an opportunity to prove their disclaims in a similar way.
Pay attention. It is already done.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 09:26 AM 2018If you are really open minded and what you say is what you believe then you would accept the challenge and so would turbo.
Because I'm not interested.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 09:26 AM 2018You both have been going extremes to prove your points and this should be a simple exercise which will save lot of unnecessary posting times that you both seem to enjoy spending on.
Hardly extremes for me. I waste time on it, but its not extreme. Extreme is spending months trying to win fun money on mathematically and "verifiably" unrealistic games, then posting results on forums to convince everyone you have the HG.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 09:35 AM 2018
Here you go, first attempt with dozens cycle.
Steve - to be honest even turbo posts multiple graphs like this. That is not proving anything.
The point is can you both prove your claims not in a simulation, not in some shitty rx, but in real casino conditions and turn 500 to 10000 with a neutral party. If you don’t want to don’t do it, but then don’t claim as if you have done it 1000s of times as they don’t mean anything not done in an environment that cannot be validated b
There is nothing to divide, everyone is only dreaming and waiting for revelation. there is not a single mathematician on the site. There will be no victory
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 03, 03:14 PM 2018
The newbies of this forum are too often saying they want to keep something secret, not share it, or go to PM
That’s not how a forum operates. No one actually cares, if that’s how you are then don’t post, simple.
Share or leave. That’s how it should be. It is not productive. This isn’t me begging you to share with me, because I do not care, it’s just annoying to read
Between the constant Steve and Caleb tag team on turbo, flat earth, and the “new crew†not sharing anything, this forum is back peddling. It’s going extinct
Wise up people
(Andre, want to share your bacc method so bad? Goto the bet selection baccarat forum, DUH)
Half the stuff here is hard to read now
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If this forum wants members to reveal their method of play there is a simple way to have that done.
Be nice.
If forum members do not stand up to emphatically tell off those rude, name-calling posters in a clear voice, then expect more of the "guess the grail" posts.
You always get what you sow.
IMHO
There are plenty of systems. What's needed is "proof of concept", which establishes fact that the method of bet selection changes the odds of winning.
Why is changing the odds important? Because the payouts are lower than the odds. Again that's 1 in 37 vs a 35-1 payout. The same people say to that "blah blah you always say that". Well try and understand it, then people wont say silly things like "I can only win if its random".
It doesnt matter what size your bets are. Progression is just a mess of different size bets.
If your accuracy is random, then you've changed nothing.
So when it comes to sharing a system, GIVE PEOPLE PRINCIPLES THEY CAN USE.
If you have only a theory that needs testing, then clearly explain your theory so it can be tested.
If you only want to give vague clues, give bad logic when people refute your so-called proof, and string people along, that's not what a forum is for.
I'm not really interested to the secrets to any systems based on random staking or progressions without increase in prediction accuracy. I can tell at a glance they all lose.
Claim to increase in accuracy of prediction is usually based on one of a few classics.
- Sleepers
- Repeaters
- Following the wheel
- Betting for a change
- Short term patterns
- Triggers
- Lucky numbers
Any of these not backed by detailed observations eg Wheel speeds, ball and rotor revolutions, release point, direction of play, fall off diamonds, and scatter data, is totally invalid reason for increased accuracy.
I've found system players rarely pay any attention to rotor speed and the like. Therefore any system which starts "wait for x to happen and bet y" is automatically losing. If it continues, when first bet fails bet 2y etc, I know it will lose even more!
So people can save themselves a lot of time fretting over systems based on the above. They will all lose in the end. If the poster insists they always win then they are either (a) Lying or (b) Short term lucky.
Neither (a) nor (b) is reason for you to want the details or play the system yourself :twisted:
As much as a paradox as it may seem its about a mechanical method. And multiple snakes have tested my stuff and told me only "it works" then bailed. Without letting me know downswings. Or anything just "it made 10k" so thanks to all those people if u read this.
Firefox, they don't listen because they don't understand or care, and think we're just negative nancies. Or it's a conspiracy.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 10, 05:24 AM 2019
Firefox, they don't listen because they don't understand or care, and think we're just negative nancies. Or it's a conspiracy.
They probably care, because they want to win but I've been thinking a lot about this recently and I reckon a lot comes down to what is fun or easy to do.
It's easy to wait for 3 reds in a row or to record 20 numbers and then see which are uniques and which are repeaters. That's kind of fun and most people want to enjoy gambling.
But as soon as you have to practice for three months to count a rotor speed to within 0.2 seconds, and then memorize a table with 15 different rotor speeds x 10 different ball characteristics complete with further actions or memorize the whole wheel with distances between numbers it becomes like a job. And then it's not fun anymore.
One of the other things I do is play bridge and I can see the same thing among bridge players. To gain an edge you have to be able to count all the cards as they are played and learn various suit combinations etc. Plus put in a lot of time away from the table. It's not "difficult" but it is work, and it is work when playing. Whereas most people just want to relax and have fun.
So, I think that is the biggest barrier.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 10, 05:24 AM 2019
Firefox, they don't listen because they don't understand or care, and think we're just negative nancies. Or it's a conspiracy.
Or, we know you are both not the experts you think you are.
Hey Blueprint, an adult says to a child 1+1=2.
The child says "No it doesn't. You're not an expert."
The adult shakes their head.
You are not understanding some people understand basic math. Some don't.
You're also not understanding that on forums, the knowledge of BASICS is so incredibly bad. You don't need to be an expert to know this. You need only a basic education and simple logic.
Firefox, you forget some people just legitimately aren't too bright. It's not just about attitude. Unfortunately it's a fact, you have to conclude because even when really simple math and logic is explained, they still don't get it.
They probably care, because they want to win but I've been thinking a lot about this recently and I reckon a lot comes down to what is fun or easy to do.
It's easy to wait for 3 reds in a row or to record 20 numbers and then see which are uniques and which are repeaters. That's kind of fun and most people want to enjoy gambling.
But as soon as you have to practice for three months to count a rotor speed to within 0.2 seconds, and then memorize a table with 15 different rotor speeds x 10 different ball characteristics complete with further actions or memorize the whole wheel with distances between numbers it becomes like a job. And then it's not fun anymore.-Firefox
Think of a vehicle. It has all of the parts working together. The driver wants to get from point A to point B. It's good to know how the vehicle works, but when the car breaks down you take it to an expert to get it fixed. Same with gambling systems imo.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 12:40 AM 2019It's good to know how the vehicle works, but when the car breaks down you take it to an expert to get it fixed. Same with gambling systems imo.
And when the expert says "You've got no fuel, wheels, or even an engine", don't say "I don't care. I want to try driving it regardless"
where there's a will there's a way
Since when does 1+1=42 eventually, if you try really really hard?
But I get it. You want to find a way to win. AP doesnt interest you. So at least start by understanding why previous methods failed. Understand what others have tried, and found failed, and why.
Understand what odds vs payout means, and why you must increase accuracy of predictions.
Understand why short term tests are meaningless.
Start doing proper larger scale tests. And focus on testing to see if you have increased accuracy predictions.
Will and effort is not going to make impossible possible.
The way most people approach testing systems is wild stabs in the dark, hoping they have something that works. And the testing is meaningless short term. And by the time you realize the system doesn't work, you've wasted more time. I know because I've been there. Every experienced player has.
Since when does 1+1=42 eventually, if you try really really hard?
Touche.
You want to find a way to win. AP doesn't interest you. So at least start by understanding
why previous methods failed. Understand what others have tried, and found failed, and why.
Well if there were bets after ball release wheels available, AP absolutely!
I have been studying full-time for 11 years straight. The HE is formidable.
Understand why short term tests are meaningless.
People usually play for a short amount of time, not 10k spins
(That said, I'm open to new ideas, so large scale testing :d) )
I test my systems for years.
Will and effort is not going to make impossible possible.
That brings me to the 'bumblebee theory' technically they
are not supposed to fly, but they manage. (To be continued)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 02:39 AM 2019I have been studying full-time for 11 years straight. The HE is formidable.
Not really. It's just a slightly unfair payout. To overcome it, you need only slight accuracy increase. It's not that hard.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 02:39 AM 2019People usually play for a short amount of time, not 10k spins
That's a classic incorrect way of thinking. It is a major mental block. I've explained this many times.
Say 10,000 players had a system where they'd win almost every time, but they played just one spin. Most players would profit. But the players that lost would lose big. The result from all players combined is still the casino profited.
Learn some fundamentals from :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 02:39 AM 2019That brings me to the 'bumblebee theory' technically they
are not supposed to fly, but they manage.
Those are words from someone who doesnt understand the physics, which isnt that complicated.
The math and logic of roulette is VERY SIMPLE AND CLEAR. Payouts are lower than the odds. Simple. It has been said before so many times.
Using the bee analogy is not appropriate. We are not talking fluid dynamics. We're talking basic math.
Not really. It's just a slightly unfair payout. To overcome it, you
need only slight accuracy increase. It's not that hard.-Steve H
What abt what Einstein said "Only way to
get money from a Roulette Wheel is to steal it"
(I understand what you're saying, but for the sake of argument)
Say 10,000 players had a system where they'd win almost every
time, but they played just one spin. Most players would profit.
Therein lies the grand discussion. If most players profited
(and the players were part of a team that's a win :thumbsup:
Using the bee analogy is not appropriate. We are
not talking fluid dynamics. We're talking basic math.
If the bee analogy isn't appropriate what do human beings have to live for.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 03:06 AM 2019What abt what Einstein said "Only way to
get money from a Roulette Wheel is to steal it"
1. No proof he actually said that
2. If he did say that, he said table, not wheel. There's a big difference.
3. If he meant the game, he was a moron, or stoned at the time. Much dumber people beat the game every day.
Don't base beliefs on what you read or heard.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 03:06 AM 2019
If the bee analogy isn't appropriate what do human beings have to live for.
Ice cream.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 03:06 AM 2019If most players profited
(and the players were part of a team that's a win :thumbsup:
Then your perfect system is bet almost every number for 1 spin.