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Title: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Tinsoldiers on Jul 09, 08:05 AM 2018
An apt description of posts that am reading in the forum. It is good to see that point of view of people change over time as they grab more and more knowledge. But what doesn’t change is attitude. People tend to believe what they know is the limit and neither have the openness nor the patience to extend their horizons. People preaching others on their limits of ignorance without knowing there is so much more than what they know. People want a following and do whatever they can to maintain that respect. People fighting with each other to maintain that following and trying to prove to each other who has the upper hand.  People wanting to win in real life and finding a shelter behind online face to live the life they can’t in reality.  People who have seen it all and lurking the entertainment. 

Daily, weekly and annual gurus, the salesmen and the players of this beautiful stage - An ignorant bunch and after all we are human.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 09, 11:53 AM 2018
Beautiful. Now get out of the Matrix.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Kanam on Jul 10, 11:27 AM 2018
nothing more than just statement.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Tinsoldiers on Jul 10, 07:33 PM 2018
Oh, I don’t know better than anyone here. I am part of this ignorant lot and as I said it is a bliss.  I wouldn’t change it a bit.

37 unique numbers in 37 spins
Come on people grow up.  I often hear people arguing that it has the same odds as any other sequence.  Very true, no arguments. But they are turning a blind eye to the fact that 30 unique numbers in 37 spins has greater odds than 37 uniques.  So is it true? Does it have same odds as any other sequence? Ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Herby on Sep 23, 02:57 AM 2018
"You have to know a lot to know that you know nothing"
                                              Author unknown by me
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 23, 01:21 PM 2018
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 10, 07:33 PM 2018
Oh, I don’t know better than anyone here. I am part of this ignorant lot and as I said it is a bliss.  I wouldn’t change it a bit.

37 unique numbers in 37 spins
Come on people grow up.  I often hear people arguing that it has the same odds as any other sequence.  Very true, no arguments. But they are turning a blind eye to the fact that 30 unique numbers in 37 spins has greater odds than 37 uniques.  So is it true? Does it have same odds as any other sequence? Ignorance is bliss.

Tin,

Numbers that have hit are just as likely to hit as numbers that have not hit in the random game.  The law of the third trot stuff is a very old way of thinking.

Rare event viewing is worthless.  It's like waiting for 15 reds to hit before betting black.  It doesn't work.  After all, why should it?
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 23, 01:37 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 23, 01:21 PM 2018Tin,

Numbers that have hit are just as likely to hit as numbers that have not hit in the random game.

You're getting there General or is it snowman,xander, Dssa the list goes on and on, but you do see 15 non-hit and 15 repeats, spins 11-40, like in your starburst numbers,
Great set of numbers by the way
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 23, 01:41 PM 2018
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 23, 01:37 PM 2018
do see 15 non-hit and 15 repeats, spins 11-40, like in your starburst numbers,


So?

Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Herby on Sep 23, 01:50 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 23, 01:21 PM 2018
The law of the third trot stuff is a very old way of thinking.
Calculation leeds directly to 1/E    E... Euler's number.
You know of course.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Nimo on Sep 25, 08:59 AM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 23, 01:41 PM 2018
So?

You proved that Notto's research works on live wheels too
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 25, 10:17 AM 2018
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 08:59 AM 2018

Nimo, you know, I know, that's all we need to know.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Steve on Sep 25, 10:21 AM 2018
Honestly, how much have either of you won (real money)?

Are you overall up?

If you're overall winning, do all your various MPR accounts reflect your success? If no, why not? MPR bugs? Conspiracy?
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 25, 10:37 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Sep 25, 10:21 AM 2018
Honestly, how much have either of you won (real money)?

Are you overall up?

If you're overall winning, do all your various MPR accounts reflect your success? If no, why not? MPR bugs? Conspiracy?

Madi you know whats coming, yes bla bla.

Try on MPR, why is no one winning, when its a brilliant place to test, no glitch's, no number comes before you even had chance to lay a unit, because its not programed as good as R-sim, so you get from a responsible adult, grow up Madi, grow up Notto.
No Steve its fact.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Steve on Sep 25, 10:41 AM 2018
You didnt answer my questions Notto. I wonder why. You can stay in your delusion notto. It doesnt bother me.

Stay at RS where there are lots of winners. You'll feel better about your systems.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018
I answered with your Bla Bla.
Just been on your MPR +111

Steve the 11-20 spins ends 11,+1 played perfect to countback
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Nimo on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Sep 25, 10:21 AM 2018
Honestly, how much have either of you won (real money)?

Are you overall up?

If you're overall winning, do all your various MPR accounts reflect your success? If no, why not? MPR bugs? Conspiracy?

I don't play MPR, for the most part I always test something with real money.  I will only test on rs to see if its consistent.  I use RX to chart my actual play, but I don't rely on their RNG, using it in the past I get amazing winning systems that go on forever which I know can't happen in real play.  Another reason not to rely on it for million spin tests.  Real money play, where you usually play is the best test.  I'm very well up in playing roulette, more than I ever dreamed I would be.  How much have you made in real money over the twenty years
Steve? 
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Steve on Sep 25, 11:07 AM 2018
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018I answered with your Bla Bla.

.. and everyone can see you avoid the question with "bla bla". It's called delusion. Avoiding the question.

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018Just been on your MPR +111

And the overall result of all spins? Loss.

You can't just consider 1 session in the real casino and tell your family you're winning. That's called a "gambling problem".

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018Steve the 11-20 spins ends 11,+1 played perfect to countback

You won one session. That's the extent of your proof. Your theory worked, for a few spins. Pitty about the other spins.

Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018Real money play, where you usually play is the best test.

Testing against any real spins is a proper test. Using RX with real spins and real betting limits is the best option for testing "systems".

Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018How much have you made in real money over the twenty years Steve?

Are we counting my cut or what my teams have done? My cut is not your business. But counting what my teams have done, I'm not sure, but safe to say over $20m, likely much more. Ive been working with roulette for over 20 years, but teams for 10-15 years. I could show you recordings from hidden camera. I could show a lot of things. But all you really need to see is a basic demonstration of what my technology does.

How much do you think you could win with edges between 20-180%?

But Nimo, my technology is not relevant here. It shouldnt even come into the discussion. The reason I asked what Notto had done is if he had won, I was curious as to why his MPR results dont reflect his real-world success.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Nimo on Sep 25, 11:49 AM 2018





You won one session. That's the extent of your proof. Your theory worked, for a few spins. Pitty about the other spins.

He has posted two years of results where the KTF always reaches its target win point.  Do you not have a target win point when you play?  Or do you just say today I'm going to win $5678?  Tomorrow $2367.  He has a target win point, he reaches it, he moves on. 

Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 25, 11:52 AM 2018
Saint Steve the saviour of gamblers.

Saint Steve, i've lost loads, but since reading Winkels GUT, i found where was going wrong. But the piece of equipment that saved the day is COUNTBACK, combine this with data collected from 4 different source's the idiot generals starburt spins for one shows 7, 5, 3 lets me bet for non-hit or repeats.

You'll never except that now i do win, just like on your dodgy MPR, 7, 5, 3 just happens.

You will just comeback with more bla bla, but as i have said members should treat this forum as a library, take what they like, and test or practice like member Azim says.

Over to you
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 25, 11:57 AM 2018
Notto,

Then why do you suppose it is that you can't beat the MPR?
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 25, 12:05 PM 2018
corr
the same old shite from you
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Steve on Sep 25, 12:06 PM 2018
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 11:49 AM 2018He has posted two years of results where the KTF always reaches its target win point.

.. and yet his MPR results don't reflect the apparent success. Simplest explanation is he shows only results that suit him. Perhaps don't be so naive.

Notto, if you're winning for real, keep doing it. Good on you. But everything appears to indicate it isn't the case. If you have been winning lately, I suggest not being surprised if your luck runs out.

In any event, test thoroughly with rx, with a lot of spins. One session is meaningless. If you dont understand why, you have a long way to go.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 25, 12:08 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Sep 25, 12:06 PM 2018
.. and yet his MPR results don't reflect the apparent success. Simplest explanation is he shows only results that suit him. Perhaps don't be so naive.

Notto, if you're winning for real, keep doing it. Good on you. But everything appears to indicate it isn't the case. If you have been winning lately, I suggest not being surprised if your luck runs out.

In any event, test thoroughly with rx, with a lot of spins. One session is meaningless. If you dont understand why, you have a long way to go.

He can't beat the MPR because he can't look forward in the spin data to see what he wants to bet. ::)
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 25, 12:09 PM 2018
We have Saint Steve,
For got about you, you must be the Messiah for gamblers, the knowall of nothing
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 25, 12:10 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 25, 12:08 PM 2018
He can't beat the MPR because he can't look forward in the spin data to see what he wants to bet. ::)

What like your starburst spins
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Steve on Sep 25, 12:11 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 25, 11:57 AM 2018
Notto,
Then why do you suppose it is that you can't beat the MPR?

He already told us: "Bla bla".

Seems scientifically sound to me   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 25, 12:12 PM 2018
Notto,

Anyone can win when they have the entire spin set and have the luxury of looking forwards and backwards in the data.  ::)

Maybe you're not aware of the curve fitting, who knows, but it's obvious. 

I can instantly simulate the KTF and show that it won't work over the entire number stream.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Steve on Sep 25, 12:18 PM 2018
Notto understand this is not personal. It is a forum, and some people have enough knowledge to spot BS when they see it.

It's not just you. There are many holes in many approaches. It is not about someone's preferred method. It's not about sales. It's not about AP vs systems. It's about simple truth, and progress.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 25, 12:23 PM 2018
well let the members decide for themselves, how do they know your not full of BS, it's not personal.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Nimo on Sep 25, 12:34 PM 2018
General and Steve make fun of trot, countback ktf, gut etc, but have you actually tried the proper method?  I doubt it.  I read every page of every roulette forum.  I have read countless theories, books etc.  Even tried to buy a copy of Caleb's book.  KTF if done properly, with countback is probably the most consistent method ever posted anywhere.  The important thing is that its done properly, not what you skimmed or thought you read. 
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 25, 12:36 PM 2018
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 12:34 PM 2018
General and Steve make fun of trot, countback ktf, gut etc, but have you actually tried the proper method?  I doubt it.  I read every page of every roulette forum.  I have read countless theories, books etc.  Even tried to buy a copy of Caleb's book.  KTF if done properly, with countback is probably the most consistent method ever posted anywhere.  The important thing is that its done properly, not what you skimmed or thought you read.

Nimo,

Can you explain/define the system betting rules?

Also, what is a "countback"?



Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Nimo on Sep 25, 12:39 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 25, 12:36 PM 2018
With "countback"?

Why hasn't anyone won with it?

Why do you say that? How do you know if use it or not?  I do use it for the record, and I win with it.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Nimo on Sep 25, 12:41 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 25, 12:36 PM 2018
Nimo,

Can you explain/define the system betting rules?

Also, what is a "countback"?

Read the thread, you constantly belittle something you have no grasp of.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 25, 12:44 PM 2018
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 12:41 PM 2018
Read the thread, you constantly belittle something you have no grasp of.

Nimo,

I've looked at it in the past.  I see a big mess of logic errors.
For starters in order for the binomial distribution to help you break even, you'd need it to be playing on a 36 pocket wheel, not a 37 or 38 pocket wheel.   ::)

So right off, the "law of the third" proves that you're going to come up short if you try to play it !  ::)
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Nimo on Sep 25, 12:50 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 25, 12:44 PM 2018
Nimo,

I've looked at it in the past.  I see a big mess of logic errors.
For starters in order for the binomial distribution to help you break even, you'd need it to be playing on a 36 pocket wheel, not a 37 or 38 pocket wheel.   ::)

Then you definitely didn't read it all the way through. You skimmed and extrapolated what you thought it was, not what it is. 
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 26, 01:09 PM 2018
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 12:50 PM 2018
Then you definitely didn't read it all the way through. You skimmed and extrapolated what you thought it was, not what it is.

Nimo,

Are you able to articulate any reasons as to why it should work?  For example, how does it increase the accuracy of a prediction in the random game and why?
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 26, 04:28 PM 2018
Caleb, why didnt you answer my question properly. You didnt like me saying you wouldnt know a discussion if you tripped over it, so have one

Do you not read everything? Do you look for a prompt in the text then go dig out a well worn gif "Mr Osbourn my brain is full"

It was a good question and you posted shit as a reply.

Try again....and read it carefully, because you just said "The Random Game" again
#
Quote from: Turner on Sep 19, 05:17 PM 2018
How come you always refer to the roulette game as random, then tell us how all wheels are biased?
How can the game be random if all the wheels arnt?

"The Random Game" is an Oxymoron
How can the game be random if all wheels are biased to some degree and therefore, by design, cant produce random numbers, or a random game

Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 26, 04:44 PM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Sep 26, 04:28 PM 2018
Caleb, why didnt you answer my question properly. You didnt like me saying you wouldnt know a discussion if you tripped over it, so have one



Your question was not answered because it was legitimate

The more he posts the more I see actual discussion is not his goal.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 26, 06:08 PM 2018
RG don't worry about general, we all know his agenda.
Shame he don't look at his numbers in the non-hit time table.
Here's GITANO's posted numbers, in real spins topic get the bucket of KFC.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/26/sourcedb7b8.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tcRpg)
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 26, 06:14 PM 2018
Any who know how 36*1,5,25 works, nice easy +10
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Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 26, 06:20 PM 2018
Look at the checkpoint. 10/10, so add 15; 15+10=25 and what do we see at spins 40; 25, so 15 non-hits and 15 repeats, piece of piss, for the non-hit time table

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Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Taotie on Sep 26, 06:24 PM 2018
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 26, 06:14 PM 2018
Any who know how 36*1,5,25 works...


Yeah, it works like this apparently.


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Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 26, 06:35 PM 2018
Quote from: Taotie on Sep 26, 06:24 PM 2018

Yeah, it works like this apparently.


(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/26/source8bd1c.jpg) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tcbaf)

Well that's because the MPR is rigged to make you lose so that Steve and Bombus can steal the systems that really work!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Madi on Sep 26, 06:52 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 26, 06:35 PM 2018
Well that's because the MPR is rigged to make you lose so that Steve and Bombus can steal the systems that really work!  :twisted:

General

Comment on necessary things.

Have a look what turner has asked you?
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 26, 07:24 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Sep 26, 06:52 PM 2018
General

Comment on necessary things.

Have a look what turner has asked you?

I'm not sure as to what Turner's question really is and appears that Turner's not sure either.  Looks like trolling to me so I'll wait for him to ask a real question.  After all, can anyone anywhere point to any roulette question or answer that Turner has ever posed on a roulette forum???  ::)
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Madi on Sep 26, 07:40 PM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Sep 26, 04:28 PM 2018
Caleb, why didnt you answer my question properly. You didnt like me saying you wouldnt know a discussion if you tripped over it, so have one

Do you not read everything? Do you look for a prompt in the text then go dig out a well worn gif "Mr Osbourn my brain is full"

It was a good question and you posted shit as a reply.

Try again....and read it carefully, because you just said "The Random Game" again
#How can the game be random if all wheels are biased to some degree and therefore, by design, cant produce random numbers, or a random game

Dont you feel that its a question
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 26, 07:43 PM 2018
LOL!  No.  Turner doesn't ask questions or talk about roulette on the forum.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 26, 07:48 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 26, 07:24 PM 2018
I'm not sure as to what Turner's question really is and appears that Turner's not sure either.  Looks like trolling to me so I'll wait for him to ask a real question.  After all, can anyone anywhere point to any roulette question or answer that Turner has ever posed on a roulette forum???  ::)
Wow...its a simple question.
You say all wheels are biased
You say roulette is a random game
How can the output of all biased wheels be random. They are all biased (your words)
Sorry...have you never thought of that and have no gifs for it?
Its a simple question
Try to answer......I know you find it awkward joining in
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 26, 07:52 PM 2018
Ok.....
If its hard....answer bit by bit

Q1. Do biased wheels produce random numbers
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 26, 07:52 PM 2018
Turner he's in here some where
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/26/source74d66.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tc4lD)
He's a thick as a plank of wood
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 26, 08:02 PM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Sep 26, 07:52 PM 2018Q1. Do biased wheels produce random numbers
simple Yes or no
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 26, 08:04 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 26, 07:43 PM 2018LOL!  No.  Turner doesn't ask questions or talk about roulette on the forum.

Do Biased wheels produce random numbers?

its a question and its roulette related
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 26, 08:14 PM 2018
embarrassing really


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Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 26, 08:23 PM 2018
I understand

Easy to understand

It’s random or it isn’t
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 26, 09:30 PM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Sep 26, 08:04 PM 2018
Do Biased wheels produce random numbers?



No, they are not truly random.

RNG's like the ones from Random.org are about as "random" as you can get.  Even they aren't "truly random" but they're soooo close that it doesn't matter and they can be assumed to be random.  ;D  If you need more information on how the numbers are generated there then take a look at random.org

Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: luckyfella on Sep 26, 10:19 PM 2018
Bias wheels produce non-random spins-------Caleb

What he is suggesting is

Unbias wheels produce random spins
Rng produce random outcomes

Since the both outcomes are random there is no possibility to get a positive edge

This means that knowlegeable AP players like him who have the mechanical engineering and physics knowledge of roulette wheels are able to exploit such bias wheels.

Inversely, since this is the ONLY way to gain an edge over the game there is zero possibility aside from physics for system play to win in likewise manner.

Sorry Caleb, you can spam on every thread and quote all the authoritative sources that do not make it a fact.

Repetition again and again(redundant) done with persuasive writing is an effective strategy to implant untruths and incomplete facts as absolute fact and truth, a psychological warfare used.

Your response is the usual juvenile "show us the proof" or ""show us the underlying method that we can test"

It won't happen and everyone including you know it. Not from dyslexic or vaddis or Turbo. Nobody is stupid.

For the benefit for the readers, the system has to be based on math, physics is not required. Not that the traditional AP guys are wrong, it's clear they don't know better

The best hint posted on forums comes from Turbo's post -
"Math beats a math game"
And the all important
"Random has limits"

If you can mathematically make sense of that last statement then you are on your way to consistently win at playing roulette.
For those of you who can't, I am sorry there's no other way other than math, that's the truth

And no, no one will reveal it nor sell this knowledge. It makes no sense to do that.

By extention of this logic, sellers are bullshitters.
For guys like Caleb who are willing to reveal their traditional AP knowledge to other players, be very sceptical
Sorry Caleb, I don't believe you

Last, yes this makes "math beats a math game" a mere claim no different from any other without the required proof

YOU find the proof for YOURSELF

The purpose of this claim is to point to the readers where to search, period.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 26, 10:25 PM 2018
Cool.

QuoteThe best hint posted on forums comes from Turbo's post -
"Math beats a math game"
And the all important
"Random has limits"

Quote"In order for a number to hit twice it first has to hit once.
Deep stuff there!  Yes, Turbo's a real rocket scientist.  ::)

Are you in the US too?
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: luckyfella on Sep 26, 10:38 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 26, 10:25 PM 2018
Cool.
Deep stuff there!  Yes, Turbo's a real rocket scientist.  ::)

Are you in the US too?
No

About Turbo's quotes, that's the best effort without revealing
Few of us do get it
Very, very few though under 5 perhaps even less
If Turbo did not make those threads/posts NONE of us will ever get anything
That's the truth
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 26, 10:46 PM 2018
Luckyfella,

link:s://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/31625-defied-the-odds-of-roulette/

You should weigh in on the conversation.  Be sure to tell them about Turbo too!   They'll really love his wise quotes!
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: luckyfella on Sep 26, 10:51 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 26, 10:46 PM 2018
Luckyfella,

link:s://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/31625-defied-the-odds-of-roulette/

You should weigh in on the conversation.  Be sure to tell them about Turbo too!   They'll really love his wise quotes!
I will correct their inept discussion or anywhere it may be,
Professor or PhD counts for nothing

ONLY IF I am prepared to reveal the math behind it

It won't happen

Like it or not, it stays this way

Same with anyone in my shoe
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: luckyfella on Sep 26, 10:59 PM 2018
Last comment,

Caleb suggests that to the common folks who form the majority of players(99.99999999%), the outcome of a real wheel ball spun by a dealer, the automated wheel and the rng is random.

He is ..........
Correct. :thumbsup:

Whether the outcome is true random or otherwise, that is applicable only to the very few who lurks at this level
It's the truth
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: luckyfella on Sep 26, 11:18 PM 2018
PS. You have read posts of few members who wrote about live dealer wheels and rng

This is clear evidence these guys(they are the real deal) can appreciate the difference between the two, caleb has posted the graphical representation of them both, to take advantage of this difference. Now you know who this very few are(I have given you the lead), so read their posts for more nuggets
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 27, 02:36 AM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 26, 09:30 PM 2018
No, they are not truly random.

RNG's like the ones from Random.org are about as "random" as you can get.  Even they aren't "truly random" but they're soooo close that it doesn't matter and they can be assumed to be random.  ;D  If you need more information on how the numbers are generated there then take a look at random.org
Why are you waffling about random.org?
The question was simple
Do biased wheels produce random?
You replied "no they are not truely random"
A straight answer with no gifs or insults. Easy huh?

Q.2 are all wheels biased?

Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 27, 05:58 AM 2018
apologies Caleb, you already answered that

So

Q1. Do Biased wheels produce random numbers
Quote from: The General on Sep 26, 09:30 PM 2018
No, they are not truly random.

Q.2 are all wheels biased?
Quote from: The General on Sep 18, 03:17 PM 2018
Every wheel is biased to some degree.

Q3. When asking people why their system should work, you always refer to roulette as "The Random Game" but the wheels dont produce random

Why do you say that?
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Nimo on Sep 27, 06:51 AM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 26, 01:09 PM 2018
Nimo,

Are you able to articulate any reasons as to why it should work?  For example, how does it increase the accuracy of a prediction in the random game and why?

It has to work because random means that unhit numbers will get hit and some of those that did get hit, will be hit again.  It has to happen and since there are only 37 numbers its not open random, its confined to those 37 numbers only. 

By posting your graphs and numbers you are proving KTF is going to happen the way Notto's research and posts over the years says it does. 
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Nimo on Sep 27, 06:55 AM 2018
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 26, 04:44 PM 2018
Your question was not answered because it was legitimate

The more he posts the more I see actual discussion is not his goal.

The more the General posts, the more I think of the Shakespeare play title to describe him "Much Ado About Nothing"
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: luckyfella on Sep 27, 08:14 AM 2018
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 27, 06:55 AM 2018
The more the General posts, the more I think of the Shakespeare play title to describe him "Much Ado About Nothing"
His posts clearly reveal his AP recruitment business agenda
Undeniably there are plenty chums that are easily fooled
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 27, 09:47 AM 2018
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 27, 06:51 AM 2018
It has to work because random means that unhit numbers will get hit and some of those that did get hit, will be hit again.  It has to happen and since there are only 37 numbers its not open random, its confined to those 37 numbers only.  .

Yes it's confined to 37 and 38 numbers, but you're paid out as though there are only 36 numbers.  In short you've got a problem, there's one or two too many numbers on the wheel. ::)
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 28, 06:26 AM 2018
Caleb,

So......... is the game of roulette random or not considering "as you put it" no wheel produces true random?


(also, can you post some specific wheel output that you know to be biased)
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 28, 11:58 AM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Sep 28, 06:26 AM 2018
Caleb,

So......... is the game of roulette random or not considering "as you put it" no wheel produces true random?

The random game of roulette is not beatable in the long run because of the short payout.  When a live biased wheel is introduced, the game is still for all purposes not beatable unless the player becomes aware of the bias and attempts exploit it.  An RNG stream from Random.org can be considered random.

People often use terms like a little random,  somewhat random, or completely random as way to describe the predictability of random.  Technically random is random and it is not predictable, but the use of the words is really meant to describe degrees of predictability.    It's sort of like saying a little bit pregnant, or almost dead. 

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=sMb00lz-IfE


Quote(also, can you post some specific wheel output that you know to be biased)

How many spins would you like to see from the wheel? Do you want the graph of the data?
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Tinsoldiers on Sep 28, 12:46 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 28, 11:58 AM 2018How many spins would you like to see from the wheel? Do you want the graph of the data?
Rightly headed.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 28, 06:45 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Sep 28, 11:58 AM 2018How many spins would you like to see from the wheel? Do you want the graph of the data?
serious now....not fruitcake Turner vs the big Kahuna, I would be interested in a size you believed would show a bias on a chi square test. (this is not a set up to attack you in any way)

I am thinking 10k....but will be guided by you

and...no input...graphs etc...just numbers.

European wheel would be nice

Any time taken to give me this is much appreciated.

(I may ask some more questions after some tests I have in mind, but they will only be for clarification)
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 28, 09:19 PM 2018
Turner,


Here you go.  It's a double zero wheel though.  The 00 is number 37.

34
10
34
22
27
19
2
20
17
37
27
34
25
11
33
10
6
16
9
4
25
5
24
32
5
19
24
1
22
14
36
34
19
2
4
5
16
17
25
10
12
11
31
18
16
29
17
4
2
34
12
8
34
31
25
11
17
30
18
16
21
17
36
9
23
30
35
4
1
26
36
23
11
5
36
35
18
1
37
24
25
2
27
13
11
27
15
35
27
6
30
25
19
21
2
5
17
7
1
2
6
15
6
22
19
13
35
37
14
23
9
3
35
4
4
28
33
13
14
21
21
18
17
24
4
34
37
4
15
2
4
18
22
19
36
14
36
12
21
33
32
18
13
24
21
2
12
11
8
4
11
33
7
17
18
27
35
5
20
13
34
35
5
23
31
20
3
1
23
6
4
12
14
29
2
37
24
33
15
9
15
14
18
7
24
31
2
5
23
27
37
4
4
0
29
13
26
20
3
12
2
31
6
9
2
37
35
6
29
32
11
11
33
21
0
22
17
3
7
32
4
21
29
28
2
27
35
37
23
3
16
2
10
34
20
23
6
10
3
29
36
16
11
7
2
19
1
4
22
10
21
8
25
5
2
33
15
13
8
5
15
11
0
18
9
5
12
29
5
11
11
2
36
29
15
24
37
25
31
4
23
3
25
1
14
13
31
30
21
9
14
17
27
22
29
35
3
11
9
18
24
17
10
30
4
13
10
10
28
26
11
1
11
2
31
30
24
27
7
17
16
29
29
14
23
35
11
9
6
11
35
13
14
14
14
17
18
23
10
25
8
36
15
17
11
21
33
7
30
17
14
1
31
14
36
1
28
32
28
33
24
5
23
35
18
18
25
33
27
14
36
5
7
12
25
23
33
13
5
7
12
24
17
15
14
9
33
19
10
30
7
17
0
20
6
34
21
11
21
17
36
4
32
17
37
1
27
23
17
31
28
6
1
17
10
13
24
0
10
17
37
32
20
24
13
21
0
20
0
3
33
13
20
37
30
17
9
27
4
8
16
11
27
6
9
35
5
13
26
19
16
12
33
31
14
15
18
30
25
0
24
4
15
10
26
0
2
9
10
24
36
33
3
6
11
5
32
24
9
22
5
12
15
9
37
4
20
14
6
15
23
32
9
36
19
11
13
25
36
17
33
8
32
5
0
4
19
24
0
24
20
20
0
22
16
13
4
34
1
24
26
4
24
15
10
25
35
9
21
29
32
34
32
31
24
36
28
0
4
34
1
20
28
34
37
6
21
37
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15
14
14
17
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29
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23
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35
36
14
36
17
12
15
0
31
21
2
14
35
7
1
11
17
3
2
2
27
5
11
36
3
20
35
0
6
16
12
7
0
19
18
27
1
14
9
33
11
10
3
21
26
6
23
18
20
19
1
3
23
23
36
21
32
5
15
17
4
14
7
30
2
31
36
33
27
13
25
9
17
9
22
34
10
32
8
33
27
17
8
11
17
10
25
8
34
31
25
13
20
1
34
3
5
13
9
9
13
20
20
31
16
12
25
13
32
10
24
4
12
14
6
33
32
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36
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31
23
37
32
26
7
8
13
34
37
12
9
17
14
8
3
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22
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6
12
17
11
6
26
18
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29
36
1
24
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4
11
9
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31
15
0
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10
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8
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32
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24
0
34
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36
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32
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37
34
1
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31
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11
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33
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36
1
37
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19
14
17
4
11
15
29
13
34
37
9
11
16
12
2
37
21
35
7
26
28
8
26
25
8
9
7
15
34
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30
36
21
25
27
3
22
6
27
22
27
20
24
30
23
16
9
2
28
35
2
13
4
26
6
0
21
24
8
2
25
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19
3
3
0
10
7
9
32
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11
33
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36
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31
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26
0
10
6
33
31
22
0
11
13
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30
27
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12
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37
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33
33
3
28
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27
1
8
1
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10
3
35
13
3
2
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31
28
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17
5
6
26
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29
0
10
6
14
29
21
26
6
19
13
14
22
17
28
10
30
22
6
16
22
13
6
14
11
9
5
36
19
13
11
25
6
4
14
11
23
3
2
18
9
9
19
2
7
21
3
19
22
1
27
2
14
1
15
29
25
2
11
30
16
1
36
37
4
3
14
15
0
29
28
3
20
30
8
30
6
30
21
1
4
32
24
3
11
31
8
3
23
2
37
36
11
3
33
29
36
13
14
32
24
19
37
29
7
31
6
26
20
1
4
35
1
17
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36
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27
9
4
6
16
32
37
18
24
17
24
17
1
10
2
11
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1
12
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4
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10
6
32
35
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32
29
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11
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2
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0
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34
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34
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8
5
8
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36
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31
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2
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15
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34
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9
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33
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29
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6
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26
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37
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36
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29
18
28
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27
34
17
21
19
3
27
31
2
8
12
21
24
11
5
35
30
6
32
25
4
10
1
7
19
34
17
7
35
5
2
4
24
5
33
21
11
11
17
27
12
2
0
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34
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10
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11
28
25
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26
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20
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24
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29
1
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32
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31
3
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34
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27
5
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5
18
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3
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29
2
22
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24
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31
14
26
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34
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5
33
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29
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17
0
29
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6
30
2
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18
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36
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13
1
4
1
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20
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19
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25
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28
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28
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36
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17
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17
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22
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6
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29
3
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25
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12
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31
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21
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10
26
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25
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25
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34
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20
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17
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14
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2
36
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33
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16
32
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29
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32
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26
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29
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37
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16
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3
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2
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8
18
12
12
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3
4
4
6
6
32
14
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26
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28
6
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3
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11
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Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Bigbroben on Sep 28, 09:48 PM 2018
If these nrs are biased, how do e know it's not from you typing 10 thousand nrs in 30 minutes?  ^-^
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: The General on Sep 28, 09:52 PM 2018
LOL!

Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Turner on Sep 29, 02:27 AM 2018
 Thanks Caleb
00 is fine
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: psimoes on Oct 01, 09:50 AM 2018
Ignorance is bliss, but knowledge is POWER.
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: -Katalyst- on Oct 01, 11:14 AM 2018
Yes - sadly majority would believe that  ::)
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 09, 05:34 AM 2018
Big Ben
very nice, thanks.
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Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 09, 05:55 AM 2018
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Ben, 71 spins, but i'd stop at 31 and reset,as more R1 will come, the trick is to go for R2 to go R3 from spin 40
Title: Re: Ignorance is bliss
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 10, 06:22 AM 2018
Super Big Bro Ben

If you understood it's +30

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