To clarify some issues, I'm considering hiring a mathematician / statistician to address the forum. I'll pay.
The members will choose them. They must be educated with formal qualifications.
Basically members ask the questions and they answer. We'll figure a way to validate the answers are from the hired person.
Math beats a math game. You can win with statistics. Progression helps, right? Let's see what someone clearly educated and impartial says. Ask anything you want. Ideally we'll hire the kind of person casinos hire, which ensure casinos profit.
But I'm open to hiring someone else providing they have relevant formal qualifications, not a random self professed guru
Anyone interested?
Steve,
doesn't it all come down to n/37 (or 38) anyways?
If the hired consultant is a genius but must answer basic question that the answer can be found with a little research on Google, he'll think we're out of elementary school.
Will you screen the questions to ffwd him?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 16, 08:12 AM 2018doesn't it all come down to n/37 (or 38) anyways?
I was going to say something similar. Basically all you need to know about roulette, mathematically speaking, is that the payout is unfair and the trials are independent. Any expert is just going to restate those facts over and over, but maybe using statistical jargon which only a few people on the forum will understand.
But I guess it might be a fun thing to do. IMO it's better to get someone from outside to do it. I have a degree in Engineering and maths, which included some probability theory and stats, but I wouldn't call myself an expert.
QuoteTo clarify some issues, I'm considering hiring a mathematician / statistician to address the forum. I'll pay
would it not be better if money alocated for stat man be placed on roulette since you got the edge...
or i guess you might need some answears too :thumbsup:
The point is to teach experts le maestro.
Quote from: maestro on Jul 16, 08:41 AM 2018or i guess you might need some answears too
We all need answers - who not need - realy play bad.
But especially in the forum, all want that others will think about them something specifical.
That they are winners. Nothing more them interest, only opinion of others....
I have 16 years old son and see what they do and what they talk on internet, here are the same :).
Some years ago I put many efforts to see such " winners" and i saw " much" them. I was very naive and thought, that at least some of them are good players and maybe will give some idea to me. Here is really long story, which put to shame some of them till such level, that they left forums and stoped talk about roulette at all, some become aggressive and started to attack me.
But result was one - I did not saw any player, which in mine opinion will be possible, because his abilities to beat wheel. I saw few who can that do, but they were not from forums.
Finally are such situations - that are few guys, with who I collaborate regards roulette, but most of them I met not from roulette forums...
All others, from forums, usually are angry ( not clear why).
I suggested simply thing -you think, that you are the winner but afraid to play in real casinos - can do the test on mine wheel through skype, very simply and I can be very good referee and mine wheel is really simple - if will be problems with it - can forgeth casino...
Not very clear what suggest Steve, but the first step is for players to see if he really can beat some simple wheel, or to see another player who can do that simply easier, or better...
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Jul 16, 10:07 AM 2018
We all need answers - who not need - realy play bad.
But especially in the forum, all want that others will think about them something specifical.
That they are winners. Nothing more them interest, only opinion of others....
I have 16 years old son and see what they do and what they talk on internet, here are the same :).
Some years ago I put many efforts to see such " winners" and i saw " much" them. I was very naive and thought, that at least some of them are good players and maybe will give some idea to me. Here is really long story, which put to shame some of them till such level, that they left forums and stoped talk about roulette at all, some become aggressive and started to attack me.
But result was one - I did not saw any player, which in mine opinion will be possible, because his abilities to beat wheel. I saw few who can that do, but they were not from forums.
Finally are such situations - that are few guys, with who I collaborate regards roulette, but most of them I met not from roulette forums...
All others, from forums, usually are angry ( not clear why).
I suggested simply thing -you think, that you are the winner but afraid to play in real casinos - can do the test on mine wheel through skype, very simply and I can be very good referee and mine wheel is really simple - if will be problems with it - can forgeth casino...
Not very clear what suggest Steve, but the first step is for players to see if he really can beat some simple wheel, or to see another player who can do that simply easier, or better...
Could you please english learn post before you on foruns ?Thanks!!!!
I spoke about this recently!
Quote from: Steve on Jul 16, 07:40 AM 2018
To clarify some issues, I'm considering hiring a mathematician / statistician to address the forum. I'll pay.
The members will choose them. They must be educated with formal qualifications.
Basically members ask the questions and they answer. We'll figure a way to validate the answers are from the hired person.
Math beats a math game. You can win with statistics. Progression helps, right? Let's see what someone clearly educated and impartial says. Ask anything you want. Ideally we'll hire the kind of person casinos hire, which ensure casinos profit.
But I'm open to hiring someone else providing they have relevant formal qualifications, not a random self professed guru
Anyone interested?
Ask Bayes
Quote from: vladir on Jul 16, 10:59 AM 2018Could you please english learn post before you on foruns ?Thanks!!!!
lol
Quote from: vladir on Jul 16, 10:59 AM 2018Could you please english learn post before you on foruns ?Thanks!!!!
That is very familiar to me :)
When not have what to say always possible find grammar mistakes.
But I can say that not so bad to calculate your mistakes in one sentence :)
I must say I think its a great idea.
If we could ask a maths professor a question like "can we use repeaters to win at roulette?" and get a definitive answer, it would end some long debates.
Members, wouldn't you like to ask a guy like this questions for free?
What a waste of time! You don't need to be any Einstein or mathematician to know that it's impossible to beat roulette in the long run.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 16, 05:37 PM 2018
What a waste of time! You don't need to be any Einstein or mathematician to know that it's impossible to beat roulette in the long run.
I said "long run"
You can win for months or even years... But your time will come.
That's why I moved to baccarat and I test roulette systems for fun.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 16, 07:40 AM 2018
To clarify some issues, I'm considering hiring a mathematician / statistician to address the forum. I'll pay.
The members will choose them. They must be educated with formal qualifications.
Basically members ask the questions and they answer. We'll figure a way to validate the answers are from the hired person.
Math beats a math game. You can win with statistics. Progression helps, right? Let's see what someone clearly educated and impartial says. Ask anything you want. Ideally we'll hire the kind of person casinos hire, which ensure casinos profit.
But I'm open to hiring someone else providing they have relevant formal qualifications, not a random self professed guru
Anyone interested?
It could possibly be fun for some of the forum members, but not sure it’s necessary. A good friend of mine is a Professor of Mathematics at MIT. He teaches primarily Representation Theory, Quantum Groups, and Noncommutative Algebra. Over the years I’ve had him examine many of the more interesting strategies brought forth on this forum. With a bit of a grin, his analysis is typically that roulette is not the game of choice for consistent winning. His suggestion: study and practice Poker.
Should you decide to move forward with hiring someone, I’d be glad to ask him to ask another colleague if there would be interest. I’m certain he wouldn’t be interested, but there may be others at MIT who would get a kick out of it ... doubt it would be cheap though.
Perhaps the best way to do this is:
1. Everyone ask CLEAR AND UNAMBIGUOUS QUESTIONS. We'll create a list of questions.
2. Anyone can suggest whoever is suitably qualified to answer the questions.
3. I hire them and answers will be published. The hired person will verify they gave the answers.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 16, 08:12 AM 2018doesn't it all come down to n/37 (or 38) anyways?
Yes, it does. No amount of repeaters chasing changes that.
For some members, the answers wont click in their head. This is clear because already these members have had facts and verifying information in their face, but they still haven't understood. Hearing the same thing I and others say, but from a different person, wont change their view.
For example, a question like "can repeaters be used to beat roulette?", the answer is the same as what I said. The reason is because after each spin, we have a new number, then the odds of it repeating next are 1 in 37. So we are going to get repeaters, or at least that's probable. To say you can use that you change the odds is boneheaded.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 16, 08:12 AM 2018If the hired consultant is a genius but must answer basic question that the answer can be found with a little research on Google, he'll think we're out of elementary school.
Absolutely. It just goes to show how bad the basic knowledge here is.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 16, 08:12 AM 2018Will you screen the questions to ffwd him?
No, but we must all ensure questions are perfectly clear and specific.
Quote from: Joe on Jul 16, 08:24 AM 2018Basically all you need to know about roulette, mathematically speaking, is that the payout is unfair and the trials are independent. Any expert is just going to restate those facts over and over, but maybe using statistical jargon which only a few people on the forum will understand.
Correct. But when the person is clearly independent and qualified, it's more difficult to accuse him/her of having an agenda other than simple truth.
Quote from: daveylibra on Jul 16, 05:00 PM 2018If we could ask a maths professor a question like "can we use repeaters to win at roulette?" and get a definitive answer, it would end some long debates
It wont end the debate if the "math beats math game" guys respond with the really, really solid and scientific argument: "you just don't know better"
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Jul 16, 10:07 AM 2018Here is really long story, which put to shame some of them till such level, that they left forums and stoped talk about roulette at all, some become aggressive and started to attack me.
It can take time to learn who's actually full of shit, especially if you're only fed shit. And very few of my players bother with forums at all. Maybe 1 in 100. Mostly they are a waste of time, because you're communicating with people that have no idea. Forums still have value in finding team members, sharing information privately, and researching new methods like precog.
Steve, most of the time, I will not get in your way.
But why hire a person who does not specialize in a given field?
Even a person specializing in a given subject will have their theories that are personal and not objective.
I know you are trying to overthrow the Turbo method, but one can not get one from him, the effectiveness of simulations like Parx or RS.
Even in a fun game, why it wins all the time.
Quote from: ozon on Jul 16, 08:07 PM 2018But why hire a person who does not specialize in a given field? Even a person specializing in a given subject will have their theories that are personal and not objective.
Would a mathematician focused on "fluid dynamics" have different solutions to a mathematician focused on "gambling"? Is math an opinion? Is it subjective?
Quote from: ozon on Jul 16, 08:07 PM 2018I know you are trying to overthrow the Turbo method
No I'm just helping clear up some elementary thinking, so the forum is more beneficial. The average level of knowledge is around primary school. That's serious for any adult. Even more serious for a gambler with a family.
Quote from: ozon on Jul 16, 08:07 PM 2018but one can not get one from him, the effectiveness of simulations like Parx or RS
A mathematician can corroborate what I've already said:
* How broad and unrealistic betting limits make it possible for anyone to win big.
* How free bonus money can be used to win large sums, and give you a huge advantage on the Parx leaderboard.
Quote from: ozon on Jul 16, 08:07 PM 2018Even in a fun game, why it wins all the time.
But it doesn't. He lost on MPR, then left to focus on two rather unrealistic games with lots of big winners. Forget Turbo though. If anyone cant put together the pieces by now, they probably wont ever, or at least for some time. The ignorance goes far beyond him.
The slow learning, and backwards thinking of some people makes it clear no matter what facts are in front of them, they'll still see just what they want to see. That's delusion. I dont think its possible to help such people. They just need to come around themselves.
The purpose of potentially hiring a mathematician is so someone clearly impartial and qualified may help end repetitive debates. But like I said, it wont change some people's minds. They are stuck in the "the professionals just dont know better" mentality, rather than looking at the actual math. If people just looked at the facts and math, without any regard for who explained it, the truth would be rather clear. You'll get the same math from any two knowledgeable people.
Part of the problem is some people are too uneducated to understand it. Or not particularly intelligent. It's not a personal stab. It appears to be literal fact.
I do not even mean that Turbo will win all the time. He is evenement.
Hiring a professional math will not change anything.
People, instead of testing something, alweys will be able to play for money without sensible systems and lose fortune, putting the ego in the first place.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 16, 07:29 PM 2018Forums still have value in finding team members, sharing information privately, and researching new methods like precog.
So this is the reason, why I am in forums. And are few such as me. I want to find persons with whom are possible to discuss.
Naturally - "repeaters" are not for me... Because of that, I write what is interesting to me, so who really can win.
But problem is that in forums are HG owners, which in the real game can do only very pure. And if say that to him, they immediately go to attack, what strange to me is that weapon is almost always the same - grammatical mistakes. Guys, here is not the linguistical forum.... :)
Steve, an alternative (and a less costly one), though probably not as fun, would be to compile a list of questions and submit them to Cross Validated (link:s://stats.stackexchange.com/). There are some real experts there, these guys really know their stuff and how to explain it well. Usually you get a number of answers and the top ones rise to the top through a voting system.
If you do search for "roulette" you'll see several questions/answers which make for interesting reading.
link:s://stats.stackexchange.com/search?q=roulette