Now, do we got it? I believe so,....A very simple, (yet effective system), played with 8 splits (16 numbers).
With a 2000u BR, you seldom lose,.. with a 3000u BR, you're close to the HG? can this be true? idk, yet?
I'd say, for the "careful player", (use any progression you like, but i use a simple martingale)
OR ELSE, use an ordinary 16 numbers negative; 1 1 2 4 7 13 23 41 74 133 240 ...
Procedure: BET the 2 unhit splits within ALL 4 Doublestreets within Dozen 1 and 3. As any Split hit, you re-bet the 2 unhit splits within that particular Doublestreet hit,
I would also say -For Live wheels only- (?) because you never know how manipulated RNG's are?
5/5 Games won
Alright,
10/10 Games won O0 8) >:D ;D :love: :smile:
Alright, had my first "loss" (using Martingale) . but using an the ordinary 16 numbers negative progression it was not a loss? (as you can see, first chart, TEST1, Martingale, second, TEST2, a 16 numbers negative)
so, for now on i will *only* play with the 16 numbers negative.
1 1 2 4 7 13 23 41 74 133 240 = 539*8= 4312u (to cover the whole progression)
Now, in this "worst case scenario" it got to step 10, (133u) so that would be
1 1 2 4 7 13 23 41 74 133 = 299*8= 2392u (And that would be the Required BR for this one, now)
Test 1. (played with Live-spins, 16 numbers negative)
Test 2.
Test 3. Alright, had my first *real loss*, and that was a loss of -1900u Alright, but looking at the stats so far, it's not the End of the world? so far, i've won 12/13 Games,
Let's calculate on this!
Losses
-1916
Wins
12*500= +6000u
So End Result would be= 6000-1916= +4084u
Test 4.
So, FINAL RESULT 18/20 GAMES WON THAT's A 90% WINRATE
Losses
-1916
-2228
=4144
Wins
18*500=9000
RESULT = +4856u
Test 1. D' ALEMBERT PROGRESSION (+1/-1): (+1u for each loss, -1u for each win, until reached a new high, then reset) Seem to work very well with this bet. It takes longer time to reach the wingoal, but DRAWDOWNS are less, i.e *A smaller BR can be used* I'd say for this one a 1500u BR should be enough...? (more testings is needed)
Test 2. +1/-1 Progression
Test 3. (all tests from now on will be done with +1/-1 progression)
I made a demo-video to clear the confusion how it's played,
Test 4.
You must have a thing for Dragons Iggy! :twisted:
Quote from: junscissorhands on Aug 12, 08:13 AM 2018
You must have a thing for Dragons Iggy! :twisted:
Haha yes, ;D im born dragon! :thumbsup:
Test 5.
Test 6-7. First loss with D'Alembert, i was going down a hole, that i never recoverd from, (but stoploss -1500u).
9/10 Games won (with D'Alembert-progression)
Total 27/30 Games won
That is still a 90% winrate
Profits/losses from this session
Losses
-1500
wins
9*500=4500
Total= +3000u
You STILL don't believe? but it's not a question of believe or not believe, 90% winrate "not good enough" ok, whatever rocks you boat,
Furthermore, i will check now, IF a 1000u BR is enough,... (more testings coming up)
Test 14.
Test 15. 32/35 Games won 8)
Forget the dragon's treasure. He'll never let you take it anyway. >:D
Quote from: Taotie on Aug 14, 07:10 AM 2018
Forget the dragon's treasure. He'll never let you take it anyway. >:D
HA HA! you know I AM the dragon! ;D So, this is my treasure! im a fool giving it away!... ;)
Test 16.
fool of a dragon..
Test 17.
Test 18. ..It was close passing 1000u, but it didn't.
Test 19-20. These two was disaster. Now, im still undecided if BR should be 1000u or 1500u? (What you think?)
IF played with a 1000u BR, profits from this session would be 8*500=4000-2000= +2000u,
IF played with a 1500u BR, profits from this session would be 8*500=4000-3000= +1000u
Still profits, although "only" 8/10 Games won
Now, stats IS 35/40 Games won= 88% winrate
Test 21.
Test 22.
Have run 7 sessions with a +400u/-1250u target stoploss so far, all winners. Will post all the charts when I get to 10 later today.
Hitrate is very high for 8 numbers, nearly double what it should be...around 35% for any given spin the few sessions I've done so far.
Nice Iggy
Quote from: Mako on Aug 14, 01:47 PM 2018
Have run 7 sessions with a +400u/-1250u target stoploss so far, all winners. Will post all the charts when I get to 10 later today.
Hitrate is very high for 8 numbers, nearly double what it should be...around 35% for any given spin the few sessions I've done so far.
Nice Iggy
Thanks<3 yes, that seems to be a good moneymanagement a BR of 1250, that should be enough, i was thinking 1500u, but i guess 1250, may be better :thumbsup:
Test 23-24. As you can see in the last chart it dropped below 1000u BUT it did recover and won,..furhermore, seems like i can't get a better result than 8/10, or 9/10, But that's OK im perfectly satisfied, so far,..
Test 25.
At what point did you become "Iggy"?
I must have missed that one :o
Ive been thinking about a nick name too
I’m the Turn, so that’s what you call me. That or, uh His Turnness, or uh Turner, or El Turnerino, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 14, 05:38 PM 2018
At what point did you become "Iggy"?
I must have missed that one :o
Ive been thinking about a nick name too
I’m the Turn, so that’s what you call me. That or, uh His Turnness, or uh Turner, or El Turnerino, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.
But your Mr. Turner, I'm the Dude.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 14, 05:38 PM 2018
I’m the Turn, so that’s what you call me. That or, uh His Turnness, or uh Turner, or El Turnerino, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.
Every time someone references that movie I get all excited. Especially
that one.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 14, 05:38 PM 2018
At what point did you become "Iggy"?
I must have missed that one :o
Ive been thinking about a nick name too
I’m the Turn, so that’s what you call me. That or, uh His Turnness, or uh Turner, or El Turnerino, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.
The Turn is good from a Poker standpoint too... 8)
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 14, 06:00 PM 2018
Every time someone references that movie I get all excited. Especially that one.
Careful man, there's a beverage here!
Test 26.
Test 27.
Test 28.
Test 29.
Test 30. Now, finally i reached the end of my testings/stats, what we got?
Another 9/10 Games won 8)
Calculating now, what we got? 44/50 Games won That IS an 88% winrate
Calculating of profits/losses (using Mako's MM, a 1250u BR) we've got;
Games lost
6*1250=7500
Games won
44*500=22000
Net Profit = +14500u
Since you're doing so much high BR testing Ignatus, I switched to handling the "hit and run" effort for the people with smaller BRs, or those who don't want as much exposure, and so far here are the results:
TARGET STOPLOSS: +75u / -300u
WINS: 30
LOSSES: 4
AVG # OF SPINS PER ATTEMPT: 29
NET UNITS WON: +1638u (+2,786u / -1148u)
So the smaller scale version also has a high win rate it turns out, even with a limited downside and not having to deep dive into the BR to sustain the session.
And again, the expected hitrate for these 8 numbers is around 21.6% based on the odds, yet in the small sample of 2500 spins I've done total on it the hitrate has come in just above 30%... :love:
Really good one Ignatus, like it.
Quote from: Mako on Aug 15, 01:28 PM 2018
So the smaller scale version also has a high win rate it turns out, even with a limited downside and not having to deep dive into the BR to sustain the session.
And again, the expected hitrate for these 8 numbers is around 21.6% based on the odds, yet in the small sample of 2500 spins I've done total on it the hitrate has come in just above 30%... :love:
Really good one Ignatus, like it.
Great, thanks mako, :thumbsup: But i really hope you mean "8 splits" and not "8 numbers" ....:S
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 15, 01:44 PM 2018
Great, thanks mako, :thumbsup: But i really hope you mean "8 splits" and not "8 numbers" ....:S
Yes, replace numbers with splits :xd:
I tried something yesterday that I'm sure you did also, I covered the 2nd Dozen with a break-even bet (half of whatever the splits were at). It hurt profits too much, but it did make it a bit safer.
In the end I decided it wasn't worth it, just because you're not playing this for a slow grind, eventually you'd lose as the progression would get too high above 300 spins. That 2nd Dozen sure pisses you off though when it hits 7-8 in a row... :twisted:
Quote from: Mako on Aug 15, 02:32 PM 2018
That 2nd Dozen sure pisses you off though when it hits 7-8 in a row... :twisted:
Yes, i know, but in *most cases* it will recover just fine using a the +1/-1 progression, using a "normal" negative progression, it would bust beyond 9-10 losses (and require a larger BR), as you saw in my earlier testings,..
MAKO, I like your post. Short sessions of around 29 spins would be ideal. Who can play 300 spin sessions in reality?
So, it deserves more testing this way. How are you doing it, manually?
If someone can rx this I would like to run loads of tests with small bankroll/stoploss parameters.
And Iggy, how can you say it is boring? If it could possibly profit, within a sensible amount of spins, that is anything but boring...
Quote from: Mako on Aug 15, 01:28 PM 2018
Since you're doing so much high BR testing Ignatus, I switched to handling the "hit and run" effort for the people with smaller BRs, or those who don't want as much exposure, and so far here are the results:
TARGET STOPLOSS: +75u / -300u
WINS: 30
LOSSES: 4
AVG # OF SPINS PER ATTEMPT: 29
NET UNITS WON: +1638u (+2,786u / -1148u)
So the smaller scale version also has a high win rate it turns out, even with a limited downside and not having to deep dive into the BR to sustain the session.
And again, the expected hitrate for these 8 numbers is around 21.6% based on the odds, yet in the small sample of 2500 spins I've done total on it the hitrate has come in just above 30%... :love:
Really good one Ignatus, like it.
Mako, something new? You're still testing/play the system?
how big distance is tested with this kind of thing? you written 50 games played, it means 150-200bets in "game/session/period" x 50, its ~maximum 10 000 bets?
problem is that even on 100 000 bets with that kind of winning percentage, you can get "upswing" and next 100 000 bets you will be where you need to be. so with that kind of distances playd you will never know "system winrate" :)
(link:s://imgur.com/a/PAzl91X)
link:s://imgur.com/a/PAzl91X
there you can see sample, first 2k bets you can think, we are profiting more than losing, but after 8k bets we can see different things, but yes, after next 100k bets it can be more different :)
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 25, 08:40 AM 2018
(link:s://imgur.com/a/PAzl91X)
link:s://imgur.com/a/PAzl91X
there you can see sample, first 2k bets you can think, we are profiting more than losing, but after 8k bets we can see different things, but yes, after next 100k bets it can be more different :)
well? i don't know how you did that chart, if you coded it....anyway, a positive trend for 2000 spins, i would call that a VERY good system,...
most systems can't keep a positive trend for more than a couple of hundred spins (in best cases)..
Where is Montanos? ;D ;D ;D
MAKO, Just to pick up on something....
In your short-run tests, stop-loss=300, losses=4. Total loss=1148. But 1148/4=287.
Do we assume that we stop the session BEFORE the bet that would take us over the -300 mark?
Also, have you done more testing? I'm interested as this looks promising....
Quote from: blueman on Aug 18, 01:08 AM 2018
Mako, something new? You're still testing/play the system?
Quote from: daveylibra on Oct 25, 03:34 PM 2018
MAKO, Just to pick up on something....
In your short-run tests, stop-loss=300, losses=4. Total loss=1148. But 1148/4=287.
Do we assume that we stop the session BEFORE the bet that would take us over the -300 mark?
Also, have you done more testing? I'm interested as this looks promising....
I need to get back to doing daily tests on this, forgot about it.
I'm suffering from Shiny Object Syndrome, I've accrued too many methods that have passed small spin samples, and then trying to see how each one does over thousands of actual spins is distracting me from those that have actually done well previously... :xd:
Meanwhile the repeater system I actually play at B&M when I go does the best of them all, and yet I devote no time to honing and refining it even more.
System addict, lol.
To answer your questions, blueman, I believe I last tested this one at 40 wins and 7 losses, with a profit slightly higher than I last posted, it had treaded water a bit the final 10 attempts I think, which is likely why I got distracted away from it.
Davey, yes correct, for a stoploss I try to get as close as possible to the limit, and occaisionally if the betting level is close to it (like say 310u for the next bet loss), I'll exceed it that one final try. I would never go more than say +5% higher than the stoploss though, so a 315u limit would be my max max here. :thumbsup:
Typo above, meant to say 34 wins, 7 losses, not 40 wins and 7 losses, hence the "treading water" comment. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 25, 02:14 PM 2018
well? i don't know how you did that chart, if you coded it....anyway, a positive trend for 2000 spins, i would call that a VERY good system,...
most systems can't keep a positive trend for more than a couple of hundred spins (in best cases)..
heh, iv made many systems that can be in profit after 100k bets with deviations +/- no more than 1000 units from break even point, BUT after next 900k bets system will be below 0. another type ones can survive any swing till rng luck will be near 99.99%, but there bankrolls are need much much higher(because is low winning percentage systems, and there variance can be more hurting)
so yes, maybe for ~50% winning chance 2x payout, 100k can be some kind of minimum distance, but for lower percentage is needed to bigger samples, like for 1% wining chance 1 000 000 bets is minimum distance to watch results, imo (im talking about propability side for each winning percentage, deviations and how rng can turn variance not in your side some period) :)
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 26, 05:31 AM 2018
heh, iv made many systems that can be in profit after 100k bets with deviations +/- no more than 1000 units from break even point, BUT after next 900k bets system will be below 0. another type ones can survive any swing till rng luck will be near 100%, but there bankrolls are need much much higher(because is low winning percentage systems, and there variance can be more hurting)
Well? IF that is true, then you got the HG? Run 100 short sessions, and collect the profits? Even IF it only generate "small" profits,played with higher stakes, would be a nice profit? If it could keep a positive trend from several short testings? What do you need 900 000 spins for? -_- i don't get it?
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 26, 05:37 AM 2018What do you need 900 000 spins for? -_- i don't get it?
Are you mad Ig
You know steve and General say test for millions of spins
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 26, 05:37 AM 2018Run 100 short sessions, and collect the profits?
Oh you are ok, I agree with you Ig
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 26, 05:37 AM 2018
Well? IF that is true, then you got the HG? Run 100 short sessions, and collect the profits? Even IF it only generate "small" profits,played with higher stakes, would be a nice profit? If it could keep a positive trend from several short testings? What do you need 900 000 spins for? -_- i don't get it?
profit will not cover, loses from further "100 bet sessions/games" when they will be 50-100 sessions losing in row :) with 0.1 winrate per bet :(
I am poker player for living, i know what is distance and variance, so that why I need minimum 1million bets tests with every system to see what they can perform.
100bet session you can even win without busting 100 unit bankroll with simple "doubleup" martingale... time after time!
how much bets you people made in playing roulette in day? month? in roulette are bots?
simple I can made every second 5 bets, it was in day(24h) ~400 000 bets, so in month 12 millions of bets, if my bot will be up 24/7.
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 26, 03:05 PM 2018
how much bets you people made in playing roulette in day? month? in roulette are bots?
simple I can made every second 5 bets, it was in day(24h) ~400 000 bets, so in month 12 millions of bets, if my bot will be up 24/7.
[/quote
Say you had a system that suits your needs and ..online with the bot
And you did indeed place all these amounts of bets
Would they payout after looking at the game history?
Maybe read terms and conditions carefully to make sure
you are good to go
They would know it’s a bot being used and if it contradicts there rules they would not pay out
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 26, 04:00 PM 2018
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 26, 03:05 PM 2018
how much bets you people made in playing roulette in day? month? in roulette are bots?
simple I can made every second 5 bets, it was in day(24h) ~400 000 bets, so in month 12 millions of bets, if my bot will be up 24/7.
[/quote
Say you had a system that suits your needs and ..online with the bot
And you did indeed place all these amounts of bets
Would they payout after looking at the game history?
Maybe read terms and conditions carefully to make sure
you are good to go
They would know it’s a bot being used and if it contradicts there rules they would not pay out
in that game what Im try to figure out and find solutions to get earnings, bots are allowed ;)
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 26, 06:55 AM 2018
i know what is distance and variance, so that why I need minimum 1million bets tests with every system to see what they can perform.
I'm HG inventor so I don't want to see possible
performance. It could make plolp. (sorry for the bad joke) >:D
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 27, 04:19 AM 2018
in that game what Im try to figure out and find solutions to get earnings, bots are allowed ;)
Table limits for single numbers? Min to max and have you got a big enough bankroll?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 27, 05:15 AM 2018
Table limits for single numbers? Min to max and have you got a big enough bankroll?
dont understand your question.
if you asking limits to play "shitty simple martingale on 2x payout, and 2x increase on every win, then no, this can be done nowhere in "internet casinos"
but i can play with 1000000unit bankroll, even 10millions unit bankroll, if profit is worth for that. (worth = I dont need to play 1year non stop 24/7 to earn 1million unit bankroll, Good rate for me is winrate/per bet 0.01, and with bankroll of 100 000 units, you can made double up bankroll in 10 million bets, that is what im targeting to) :)
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 30, 03:07 PM 2018
dont understand your question.
if you asking limits to play "shitty simple martingale on 2x payout, and 2x increase on every win, then no, this can be done nowhere in "internet casinos" if i dont get your question right, please correct yourself and me ;)
but i can play with 1000000unit bankroll, even 10millions unit bankroll, if profit is worth for that. (worth = I dont need to play 1year non stop 24/7 to earn 1million unit bankroll, Good rate for me is winrate/per bet 0.01, and with bankroll of 100 000 units, you can made double up bankroll in 10 million bets, that is what im targeting to) :)
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 30, 03:07 PM 2018
dont understand your question.
if you asking limits to play "shitty simple martingale on 2x payout, and 2x increase on every win, then no, this can be done nowhere in "internet casinos"
but i can play with 1000000unit bankroll, even 10millions unit bankroll, if profit is worth for that. (worth = I dont need to play 1year non stop 24/7 to earn 1million unit bankroll, Good rate for me is winrate/per bet 0.01, and with bankroll of 100 000 units, you can made double up bankroll in 10 million bets, that is what im targeting to) :)
Question was min and max table limits for a single straight number or a collective group of numbers so I could see if I could just give you a progression bet on straight numbers and post it right here for you to bot with an explanation of risk reward ratio and if starting straight numbers is £00.01 that’s fine
@Ignatus
Have you ever considered using your "games won" each as a bet?
So if your "games won" was 7/10 it might look like this:
WWWLWWLWWL
Wonder if there is a conservative progression that would work for that. :question:
Hey author.
look graph, what you can say about my script/bot made?!
this is results for 1 000 000 bets of real play.
(link:s://imgur.com/a/XBX7of6)
link:s://imgur.com/a/XBX7of6
so it means in every case your winrate will cover any loserate?!
there is 0.083/per bet winrate without stoplose.
2x times in 1m bets you was been hitting 20k unit stoplose, even with that you will get 0.043/per bet winrate.
its not about your script/scripts/progressions :)
Quote from: houseworx on Dec 01, 04:20 AM 2018Hey author.
look graph, what you can say about my script/bot made?!
this is results for 1 000 000 bets of real play.
Wöw, very nice! :) If you could explain alittle more how you did your testings? What progression used etc? thanks
Quote from: Mako on Oct 25, 04:36 PM 2018
Meanwhile the repeater system I actually play at B&M when I go does the best of them all, and yet I devote no time to honing and refining it even more.
Mako, which repeater system are you referring to?